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           GOOD EVENING, 
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          THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLANNING OF PROPERTY AND REZONING ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION. 
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          STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM THE APPLICANT, THE ORDER OF, UH, THE MEETING THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY A STAFF ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION. 
          AFTER THAT, THE, THE COMMISSION WILL ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND OF STAFF FO FOLLOWED BY THAT WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
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          OUR FIRST CASE 
          [Case #23-105CP]
THIS EVENING IS CASE 23 DASH 1 0 5 CP. 
          THIS IS ASHLYN MULTIFAMILY. 
          THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 330 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND RETAIL SPACE. 
          THE APPROXIMATELY 19 ACRE SITE IS ZONED OFFICE, OFFICE, LABORATORY AND RESEARCH DISTRICT, AND LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 2100 FEET WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF BLAZER, PARKWAY AND FRANCE ROAD. 
          AT THIS TIME, MR. UNDERHILL WELCOME. 
          WE'LL INVITE YOU UP TO DO A CASE, APPLICANT CASE PRESENTATION, AFTER WHICH WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO STAFF. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          ERIC BUCK WITH UTI COMPANY 6 2 9 NORTH HIGH STREET. 
          UM, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME THIS EVENING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, WE REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT THIS PROCESS, UM, HELPS IMPROVE OUR PROJECTS QUITE A BIT. 
          SO WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE NOT ONLY RECEIVED FROM, FROM STAFF, BUT ALSO THIS COMMISSION. 
          I KNOW THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UH, OUR CONCEPT PLAN. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, EACH TIME I FEEL LIKE WE GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, WE KEEP INCORPORATING MORE AND MORE OF THE COMMENTS, UH, THAT WE HEAR FROM BOTH STAFF IN THIS COMMISSION. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, THANK YOU, UH, FOR DOING THIS. 
          WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I DO WANNA, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PRESENTATION, UM, I WANT TO HIT ON I THINK LAST MEETING WE HAD DURING THE PUBLIC CON, UH, COMMENT SECTION. 
          WE HAD PEPPER CONSTRUCTION COME UP AND KINDA SHOW THEIR SUPPORT, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          BUT, UH, I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS KATHY BROUGHT UP WAS GETTING MAYBE SOME MORE 
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OF THE, OUR NEIGHBORS AND OTHER BUSINESSES INVOLVED. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO OTHER LOCAL BUSINESSES AND OWNERSHIPS, UH, IN METRO AND BLAZER PARKWAY SPECIFICALLY BEEN MEETING WITH JUST KIND OF AS AN EXAMPLE, PRE AND PROPERTIES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LARGEST OWNERSHIP GROUPS, UH, IN THE METRO CENTER. 
          AND THEN ALSO MEETING WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM COLLIER WHO, YOU KNOW, THEY REPRESENT MULTIPLE OWNERS IN METRO AND BLAZER PARKWAY. 
          AND THEY'RE ALSO THE MANAGER OF THE, UM, METRO CENTER OWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, BOTH ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. 
          UH, THEY REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF THE AMENITIES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, NOT ONLY TO OUR RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO TO, UM, THE OFFICE USERS OF THE AREA SUCH AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE WALKING, UH, TRAIL AROUND THE SITES. 
          THEY DEFINITELY ENVISION BEING ABLE TO USE THAT, UH, DURING THE DAYTIME USE, KIND OF SEE THAT AS A DESTINATION FOR THIS, FOR THIS DISTRICT AS KIND OF THAT RECREATIONAL USE. 
          SO THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALSO THE RETAIL USE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THIS ITERATION, HAVING JUST THAT OPTION, UH, TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR, THEIR OFFICE LEASING AND AMENITIES. 
          SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND IF YOU WANNA PULL UP THE PRESENTATION, CAN I CONTROL THE SLIDES WITH THIS? OKAY, PERFECT. 
          GREAT. 
          SO WE WILL, A LOT OF THIS WE'VE ALREADY REVIEWED, UH, DURING THE LAST TWO COMMISSION MEETINGS. 
          SO JUST BEING RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY'S TIME. 
          I'LL, I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF 'EM RATHER QUICK. 
          BUT I WANTED TO, UH, INCLUDE SEVERAL SLIDES IN THIS, UH, PRESENTATION THAT I DIDN'T INCLUDE IN THE LAST ONE, JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA OF WHO WE ARE, UH, AT POUTI COMPANIES, UH, THE PRODUCT THAT IN THE QUALITY OF PRODUCT THAT WE DEVELOP, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ALSO JUST SOME INSPIRATIONAL IMAGERY JUST TO HELP EVERYBODY VISUALIZE AND ENVISION WHAT COULD BE AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE THINKING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, SO WE'VE BEEN, WE'RE A FAMILY OWNED COMPANY, UM, FOUNDED IN, YOU KNOW, 1976 AND OVER THAT 50 YEAR SPAN HAVE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, OVER A HUNDRED MILLION SQUARE FEET, UH, OF SPACE, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, PROMINENT DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS ANOVA, UH, AND DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS, JOSEPH HOTEL, AND DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS AND JOSEPH NASHVILLE. 
          SO SOME REALLY HIGH QUALITY, UH, PRODUCTS. 
          SO THIS JUST A VICINITY MAP SHOWING THE AREA BLAZER, UH, PARKWAY AND METRO CENTER, AND THEN THE CURRENT EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS, UH, OF THE SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. 
          AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL IMAGES AND SLIDES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME. 
          SO I'LL GO THROUGH 'EM A LITTLE QUICKLY. 
          AND THEN ONE THING I, I, I POINTED OUT THE LAST TWO TIMES, I JUST WANNA POINT IT OUT AGAIN. 
          UH, IT IS ROUGHLY A 19 AC ACRES SITE, UH, BUT THE BUILDABLE ACREAGE IS CLOSER TO 15.2 ACRES, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THAT COSWAY, QUARTER FLOODWAY THAT WE HAVE TO STAY OUT OF. 
          I JUST WANT TO KEEP, JUST REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MEMORY ON THAT ONE POINT. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, JUST HIGHLIGHTING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A NORTH SOUTH CONNECTION, UH, RUNNING THROUGH THE SITE, CONNECTING BLAZER PARKWAY TO METRO CENTER, AND THEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR EAST WEST CONNECTIONS, UH, FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITES ADJACENT TO US. 
          AND THEN THIS IS HIGHLIGHTING THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, TRAILS THAT CAN BE CONNECTED TO CONNECTING TO THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT TO THE SMILEY PARK TRAIL. 
          AND THEN IT SHOWS IN, IN THE DASH LINES, THE OUTER RING, WHICH IS ABOUT A HALF A MILE, WHICH IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT. 
          IT'S A, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT PLACE IF I WAS AT OUR OFFICE BUILDING. 
          WE STILL, OUR OFFICES NEAR GOOD OLD PARK. 
          I MEAN, WE WALK THAT PARK EVERY DAY, SO IT'D BE VERY SIMILAR, IF NOT A LARGER TRAIL THAN THAT DOWNTOWN. 
          SO DEFINITELY A GREAT AMENITY FOR THE AREA. 
          UM, THESE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW KIND OF THE EVOLUTION OF WHERE WE WERE AND KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          UM, SO THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER IS OUR FIRST CONCEPT PLAN SUBMISSION THAT WE SUBMITTED AND DISCUSSED ON, ON APRIL OF LAST YEAR. 
          AND THE RIGHT SIDE IS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD FROM COMMISSION, AND THEN THE MIDDLE IMAGE IS HOW WE INCORPORATED THAT FEEDBACK, UH, INTO THAT DESIGN. 
          AND THEN ALONG THE SAME LINES, THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WE DISCUSSED BACK IN AUGUST, AND THEN THE FEEDBACK ON THE RIGHT, AND THEN HOW WE INCORPORATED THAT PLAN. 
          SO WHAT WE HEARD, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A CONSISTENCE ABOUT THE COVERED PARKING. 
          SO WE DID ELIMINATE THE COVERED PARKING FROM THE PLAN, UM, TODAY, AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE SOMETHING SPECIAL ALONG THAT COSS GRAY CORRIDOR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE JUST KIND OF TAKEN WHAT WE ALREADY HAD LAST TIME AND JUST CONTINUING TO ENHANCE IT AS THE PROCESS KEEPS GOING. 
          UM, AND JUST THINKING THROUGH HOW CAN WE CONTINUE TO IZE AND PROGRAM THAT AREA TO KIND OF CREATE THAT DESTINATION. 
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KIM, THAT YOU, YOU WERE DISCUSSING LAST TIME, UM, NEXT WAS THE RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES. 
          LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED HOW DO WE MAYBE TAKE, NOT DO RETAIL NOW, BUT DO RETAIL LATER. 
          UH, WHAT WE HEARD WAS A COMMITMENT FOR RETAIL NOW. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE STILL WE'RE KIND OF TAKING A LEAP OF FAITH, I WOULD SAY, ON THE RETAIL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT SURE WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED TO, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE BEST RETAIL BROKERS IN TOWN WILL ROSS, AND, AND STARTED KIND OF JUST TRYING TO BRAINSTORM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT COULD BE THERE. 
          HE WAS NOT REALLY WILLING, HE COULDN'T REALLY GIVE US AN ANSWER OF LIKE, NAMES OF WHO COULD GO THERE. 
          UM, BUT HE DID SAY HE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SOME SERVICE, UM, RETAIL COULD WORK AT THIS LOCATION IN A KIND OF A STRATEGIC SPOT. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE AREA, FOR THE OFFICE USERS AND THE POTENTIAL THAT THAT COULD BE, UH, IN THIS AREA. 
          SO WE WILL, IN THIS PLAN, WE HAVE SHOWN, UM, KIND OF THAT RETAIL FROM DAY ONE INSTEAD OF MAYBE POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, KIM, I THINK AGAIN, ON THAT POINT OF DESTINATION, UH, HOW CAN WE JUST ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND BRING PEOPLE TO THE SITE AND ENGAGE IN TO OUR DEVELOPMENT? UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE RETAIL HELP, BUT REALLY, I THINK IT'S THAT KIND OF RECREATIONAL USE, THAT RECREATIONAL TRAIL, YOU KNOW, CALLED AN ARBORETUM TRAIL, UH, THAT MAYBE HAS SOME TRAIL GARDENS ALONG SOMETHING INTERESTING TO KEEP PEOPLE KIND OF COMING BACK ON THEIR LUNCH BREAKS, GOING FOR A RUN, GOING FOR A WALK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME, SOME BENCHES IN STRATEGIC LOCATIONS. 
          SOME PEOPLE COULD HAVE LUNCH OUTSIDE ON REALLY NICE DAYS. 
          UM, KIND OF THAT KIND OF ENGAGEMENT AND DESTINATION, UM, TO BRING THAT AMENITY TO THIS, UM, TO THIS DISTRICT. 
          AND THEN, SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME IMAGE AS BEFORE, BUT JUST HIGHLIGHTING THAT IT'S, UM, AS LAST TIME IT'S 330 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, A TOTAL OF 480 PARKING SPACES. 
          SO THE PARKING RATIO IS 1.45 UNITS PER BUILD, BUILDABLE ACRES. 
          UH, 21. 
          THE, ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WE MADE BY ADDING THE RETAIL IS WE FLIPPED THE CLUBHOUSE BUILDING TO THE WEST SIDE OF THAT NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR. 
          UM, FOR TWO REASONS. 
          A, WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD ALLOW FOR PARKING FOR THE RETAIL, CLOSE TO THE RETAIL. 
          SO THERE'S ON-STREET PARKING THERE. 
          AND THEN ALSO UNTIL THAT NORTH CONNECTOR IS, UM, FINISHED, WE NEEDED TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF CIRCULATION FOR PEOPLE TO GET BACK OUT, RIGHT? SO IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THAT RETAIL, THEY'RE GONNA PARK, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO EASILY FIND THEIR WAY BACK OUT. 
          AND WE FELT LIKE THAT KIND OF DEAD END PARKING FROM THE ONE BEFORE WAS NOT, NOT THE RIGHT MOVE. 
          SO WE, WE FLIPPED THOSE OVER, MOVE THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST TO HELP, HELP KIND OF HELP WITH THAT CIRCULATION, HELP HELP WITH THE RETAIL TO GIVE IT THE BEST OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND THEN WE BOUGHT, BROUGHT THOSE RETENTION PONDS DOWN CLOSER TO BLAZER PARKWAY, CLOSER TO THE RETAIL THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S THERE, THERE COULD BE A PATIO SPACE OUTSIDE, YOU COULD BE LOOKING OUT OVER THAT, UM, RETENTION POND AND REALLY BE, UM, KIND OF A MAGICAL PLACE. 
          AND THEN NEXT SLIDE, I APOLOGIZE. 
          AND THEN THIS IS JUST SHOWING SOME, SOME IMAGES OF WHAT, WHAT COULD BE AS WELL, JUST TRYING TO HELP WITH THE INSPIRATION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE THINKING IN LINE OF WHAT FOR THE SITE CHARACTER. 
          AND THEN THE REST OF THESE IMAGES ARE OF OUR PRODUCT OF STUFF THAT WE'VE ALREADY DEVELOPED. 
          UM, WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE QUALITY OF PROJECTS THAT WE DO AND WHAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, EXPECT TO ALSO BE COMPLETED ON IN THIS PROJECT AS WELL. 
          SO THESE ARE FROM, THESE SPECIFIC IMAGES ARE FROM OUR, UH, DOWNTOWN MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT CALLED LIBRARY PARK. 
          SO THERE'S THE FITNESS CENTER, AND THEN THESE ARE JUST A VARIETY OF OTHER IMAGES FROM OUR PROJECTS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE COMPLETED JUST SHOWING SOME OF THE CLUBHOUSE SPACES, OVERLOOKING SOME PARKS, SOME OF THE KIND OF DINING AREAS THAT WE HAVE IN THE PROJECTS, THE POOL. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED THE LAST TWO MEETINGS ARE ART PROGRAM, AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THE SIDE LIVING WITH ART. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE CURATED OUR PROGRAMS ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, AND THAT IS INTERIOR AND THAT IS EXTERIOR. 
          UH, WE DO HIRE DOZENS OF, UH, LOCAL ARTISTS AND INTERNATIONAL ARTISTS FOR THAT ARTWORK. 
          UM, AND I THINK, MIKE, IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND MAYBE SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE ART, UH, I'M MIKE CHEI WITH THE POUTI COMPANIES. 
          AND, UM, I'M FROM NAPERVILLE, ILLINOIS, SO I'M A LITTLE FARTHER AWAY FROM, I'M FROM THIS THAN EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          BUT, UM, I GUESS THE KEY THING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT WE HEARD 
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LOUD AND CLEAR, I THINK IT WAS YOU ACTUALLY KIM AND YOU MARK, THAT TALKED ABOUT LIKE THE WOW FACTOR. 
          LIKE HOW IS THIS GONNA BE MORE THAN JUST YOUR TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, CALL IT SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT? AND SO I THINK ERIC'S DONE A GOOD JOB, I THINK AT, AT TRYING TO SHOW YOU THAT ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE THINK THAT THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE MORE IS JUST SIMPLY BY THE QUALITY OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE BUILD AND THE DESIGN OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE BUILT. 
          I MEAN, JUST TO GO BACK AGAIN, I MEAN, WE WERE THE ORIGINAL GROUP THAT SAW THAT, UH, COLUMBUS AS AN AREA DID NOT HAVE A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. 
          AND SO WE SAW THAT OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE MARKET. 
          AND SO WE BUILT, UH, LA MERIDIAN, THE JOSEPH, WHICH IS A TRUE ART HOTEL IN THE CENTER OF THE SHORT NORTH. 
          AND, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, I'D ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO GO THERE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SETS THE PROJECT APART AND SETS A LOT, ALL OF THE PDI PROJECTS APART, WE BELIEVE IN THE MARKET, IS THE FACT THAT WE INCORPORATE ART WITHIN THE ACTUAL SPACE, WITHIN THE ROOMS, WITHIN THE PUBLIC SPACES, WITHIN OUTSIDE THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROJECT. 
          WE BELIEVE THAT LIVING WITH ART IS LIKE A KEY COMPONENT THAT REALLY JUST SETS THE PROJECTS APART AND PEOPLE REALLY, TRULY ENJOY IT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE LA MERIDIAN, THAT'S AN ART HOTEL. 
          UH, WE JUST DID A 300 ROOM, UH, LUXURY COLLECTION HOTEL, ACTUALLY IN NASHVILLE, UH, ALSO CALLED THE JOSEPH, WHICH WE'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT. 
          UH, ERIC JUST MENTIONED LIBRARY PARK. 
          UM, WE ALSO DEVELOPED ANOVA, UH, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWNTOWN AT THE BEND OF THE RIVER. 
          SO I, I THINK THE QUALITY OF OUR PROJECT, I GUESS WE WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU IS PART OF THE WOW FACTOR. 
          WE THINK THAT WILL BE COMING TO THE EQUATION, BUT THEN YOU CAN'T GO AHEAD AND DISCOUNT THE PUBLIC ART. 
          AND, UM, WHEN I THINK, KIM, YOU MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT CREATING A DESTINATION, TRYING TO PULL PEOPLE TOWARDS THE PROJECT, THE COSS GREAT CORRIDOR IS A REAL BIG ASSET, WE THINK, TO THE PROJECT. 
          AND SO THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE FLUSHED OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. 
          THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LOOK IT, I DO RUN, I TRY TO RUN WHENEVER I CAN. 
          THE IDEA OF HAVING A HALF MILE TRACK, IF YOU WILL, THAT WOULD BE PROXIMATE TO WHERE I LIVE, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. 
          SO I CAN TELL YOU WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY WIDEN THAT TRACK, IF YOU WILL, SO THAT IT CAN ACCOMMODATE BOTH WALKERS, RUNNERS, PEOPLE ON BIKES. 
          BUT THROUGHOUT THAT, THAT COSS GRAY CORRIDOR IN THAT TRACK, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ENVISION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME LEVEL OF EXTERIOR SCULPTURE THAT'S GONNA BE A PROGRAMMED ENVIRONMENT, I GUESS, FOR A LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE. 
          WE CAN ENVISION THAT THERE'LL BE SMALL GARDENS THAT ARE KIND OF PUT IN PLACE THROUGHOUT THE TRAIL. 
          WE JUST THINK THAT THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND CREATE SOMETHING MORE, NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT CLEARLY FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE BUSINESS PARK AND EVEN IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          SO I, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE REALLY HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR, AND I HOPE THAT WE'RE DEMONSTRATING, AND, AND THIS'LL COME FORWARD, I GUESS AS WE FLUSH OUT THE PROJECT A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH YOU, WHERE YOU'LL SEE HOW THE IDEAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW ACTUALLY COME TO THE PAGE AND THEN ULTIMATELY BECOME A REALITY. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE VERY MUCH COMMITTED TO PUBLIC ART, AND THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE THAT ASPECT. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, WE THINK THE QUALITY OF THE PROJECT, THE DESIGN, THE PUBLIC ART, AND THE COS GRAY CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS, WE THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS, AT LEAST THAT WE'RE TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO EMPHASIZE IN OUR PLANNING TO CREATE THAT MORE FACTOR. 
          I GUESS I WOULD SAY IT THAT WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF YOU WANNA, THERE WE GO. 
          SO HERE, YEAH. 
          SO HERE'S SOME EXAMPLES. 
          SO WE HAVE THE ART MURAL. 
          THIS IS OUR THIRD PHASE OF LIBRARY PARK, JUST SHOWING SOME OF THE PUBLIC ARTWORK. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ON OUR SECOND PHASE, SO ART PUBLIC FACING ARTWORK BY KIRK MAGNUS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO INCLUDED IMAGES ON THE INTERIOR AS WELL. 
          SO THE INTERIOR, UM, CURATED OUR PROGRAMS THAT WE PROVIDE, JUST TRYING TO GIVE EVERYBODY, LIKE MIKE SAID, JUST KINDA LIKE THAT FLAVOR OF, OF QUALITY AND, AND WOW FACTOR THAT WE DO ON ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UH, THESE ARE MORE JUST KIND OF DESIGN ASPIRATIONAL. 
          SO THE, THESE ARE ACTUALLY BOTH PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED. 
          THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM YEAGER SQUARE OF COLUMBUS THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN GERMAN VILLAGE, AND THEN THE BROADWAY STATION IS IN GROVE CITY, OHIO. 
          WE WERE JUST TRYING TO SHOW ON THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT KINDA THAT STREET, SH STREET SECTION OF WHAT THAT WOULD FEEL LIKE GOING DOWN THAT NORTH, NORTH-SOUTH CONNECTOR. 
          SO KIND OF THAT 60 FOOT WIDE STREET FROM SIDEWALK TO SIDEWALK, VERY SIMILAR TO, 
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I BELIEVE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN, IN THE BRIDGE PARK DISTRICT AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE THE SAME BUILDING ELEVATION IMAGES THAT WE HAVE SHOWED PREVIOUSLY, JUST KIND OF GIVEN AN IDEA, UH, FOR ONE OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          WE ALSO HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR LAST TIME ABOUT MIXING MATERIALS, MIXING COLORS, THAT, SO ALL THE BUILDINGS DON'T LOOK THE SAME, UH, THAT IS STILL, UH, IN THE PLAN, BUT THIS IS JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU ONE ELEVATION OF ONE BUILDING. 
          UM, SO AT THIS POINT IN THE CONCEPT, IT'S HARD TO SHOW WHAT ALL THE BUILDINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT WE, WE UNDERSTAND, UH, THAT COMMENT AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE JUST MORE IMAGES OF, OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED DOWNTOWN. 
          AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO SHARE SOME OF THE IMAGES OF PROJECTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED, AND THEN SOME INTERIOR VIEWS AS WELL OF JUST THE QUALITY OF THE INSIDE WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE LIVING THEIR KITCHENS, LIVING ROOMS. AND THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THERE'S NOT A, A VOTE, UH, TONIGHT FOR THE CONCEPT REVIEW, UH, BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO GET OUT OF THIS MEETING IS JUST YOUR FEEDBACK, UH, ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SEE IF YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT, UH, IN SUPPORT OF US MOVING FORWARD TO THE, THE NEXT STAGE OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          YOU KNOW, WITH THAT NEXT STEP, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR SIDE, WE, THE FINANCIAL EXPENSE IS, UH, QUITE A BIT MORE. 
          SO JUST UNDERSTANDING AND GAINING YOUR SUPPORT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF US MOVING FORWARD BEFORE WE GO TO THAT NEXT STEP. 
          SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TO PRESENT. 
          I THINK I'M, I'M ALL DONE. 
          I'M SURE WE CAN ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU, ZACH, FOR THE CASE PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL DO QUESTIONS FOR BOTH APPLICANT AND FOR STAFF AT THE SAME TIME. 
          THEY TEND TO INTERMIX. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, WELL, I'LL TRY NOT TO REHASH EVERYTHING THAT, UH, ERIC SPOKE TO, UH, BUT I DO WANNA TOUCH ON SOME BACKGROUND AND THEN PROCESS WITH THIS. 
          UM, SO THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          SO THE CONCEPT PLAN, UH, WOULD, WOULD NOT REQUIRE DETERMINATION TONIGHT. 
          UM, TONIGHT IS INTENDED JUST FOR FEEDBACK AND, UH, SUGGESTIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS SIMILAR TO THE PAST TWO TIMES THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS, ALTHOUGH, ALTHOUGH THOSE WERE INFORMALS CONCEPT PLAN DOES FIT WITHIN, UH, THAT PROCESS SIMILARLY WITH THIS PLAN YEAR DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. 
          SO THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING. 
          UM, IF WE COULD GET THE, THE SLIDES UP ON THE SCREEN AS WELL, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          UM, THE SITE IS 18.9 ACRES IN SIZE, UH, IN A ZONED OLR. 
          UH, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE REZONED IN THE FUTURE TO A PUD. 
          THIS IS LOCATED WITHIN THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN. 
          UH, THE AREA IN THE DEEPER YELLOW IS CONSIDERED MUR ONE, WHICH IS THE METRO BLAZER DISTRICT. 
          AND THE GOALS FOR THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN. 
          GENERALLY, THEY ARE TO ENCOURAGE A VARIETY OF USES, UH, TO PROVIDE MORE AMENITIES TO EXISTING, UH, WORKERS, HOTEL VISITORS AND RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, UH, UTILIZING OPEN SPACE AS A FOCAL POINT AND USABLE AMENITY AND SUPPORTING RESIDENTIAL INFILL AT KEY LOCATIONS. 
          UM, I DID WANNA MENTION AS WELL, SINCE THE LAST TIME THIS WAS FORWARD, WE HAVE ESTABLISHED, UM, THE START OF THE METRO CENTER STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK PLAN. 
          UH, THAT IS A SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENT THAT IS INTENDED TO GUIDE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, UH, AND IS EXPECTED TO BE HOPEFULLY COMPLETED AROUND SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. 
          UM, I DID WANT TO READ SOME OF THE, THE OBJECTIVES JUST TO PUT THOSE IN YOUR MIND AS THOSE ARE SOMETHING, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING ACTIVELY CURRENTLY AND WE ARE WORKING WITH, UH, CURRENT, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS AND INVESTORS AND DEVELOPERS IN, UH, THIS DEEPER YELLOW AREA. 
          SO THOSE OBJECTIVES ARE TO BUILD UPON AND NOT DUPLICATE WORK FROM PAST INITIATIVES FOR METRO CENTER AND THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA TO REFINE THE VISION OF A DISTRICT I IDENTITY AND SENSE OF PLACE FOR THE DISTRICT, WHICH REPLICATES THE SUCCESS OF BRIDGE PARK, BUT DOES NOT DUPLICATE ITS CHARACTER. 
          IDENTIFY PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH CONTRIBUTE TO AN URBAN DESIGN FRAMEWORK. 
          IDENTIFY SITE'S BEST POSITION TO ESTABLISH A DEVELOPMENT BEACHHEAD AND CREATE CATALYTIC CHANGE, IMPROVE, UH, POTENTIAL STRATEGIC IMPLEMENTATION PARTNERSHIPS, AND BUILD A CONSENSUS IN A UNIFIED APPROACH TO ACTIONABLE STRATEGIES FOR IMPLEMENTATION CHANGE FROM BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ACTIONS. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS IN LINE WITH, WITH THIS PROJECT COMING FORWARD, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, UH, FALLING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND IN TERMS OF WHERE THIS APPLICANT IS, BUT THEY ARE AWARE OF THIS GOING ON, UH, AND HAVE BEEN INTERVIEWED WITH THIS PROCESS. 
          SO, UH, VERY IMPORTANT TO 
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INCLUDE THIS AS THIS IS GONNA PROVIDE SOME VERY KEY INFORMATION AROUND THE SEPTEMBER TIME. 
          THIS WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU, UH, PRIOR TO THEN. 
          UH, AND THIS SITE DOES HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          IT'S CONSIDERED SITE SIX AND THE PLAN, UH, AND IT'S INTENDED TO SUPPORT OFFICE AND TECH USES WITH RESIDENTIAL USE, SUBORDINATE TO OFFICE. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE IS NORTH-SOUTH CONNECTION, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN IN MULTIPLE ITERATIONS OF THIS PLAN. 
          UM, I DID WANNA TOUCH ON WHAT THE FEEDBACK WAS AT THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT PLAN IN AUGUST. 
          THE COMMISSION WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED STREET GRID FRAMEWORK, UM, BUT CHALLENGE THE APPLICANT TO INCORPORATE A MIXTURE, A MORE MIX OF USES THROUGHOUT THE SITE. 
          UM, THERE WAS ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT THE DEVELOPMENT MIMICKED THE DEVELOPMENT STYLE OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE SITE, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE IS, UM, IT'S, THE DEVELOPMENT IS SCREENED FROM, FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES BY THE ON STREET PARKING AND LANDSCAPING, AND WANTING TO SEE THAT MORE, UM, I GUESS DRIVING, DRIVING THE FUTURE OF THIS DISTRICT, UH, IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. 
          AND THEN, UH, EXPRESSING CONCERN FOR THE, THE SURFACE PARKING, WHICH WAS RELATED TO THAT PREVIOUS COMMENT. 
          AND THEN RECOMMENDING STRUCTURED OR UNDERGROUND PARKING TO MINIMIZE SURFACE PARKING. 
          SO I WON'T TOUCH TOO MUCH, UM, ON THIS AS ERIC AND HIS TEAM, UH, SPOKE THROUGH MOST OF WHAT THEY'VE UPDATED. 
          UM, I DID WANNA GET TO THE QUESTIONS SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN DELIBERATION. 
          SO WE DO HAVE THREE QUESTIONS TODAY. 
          UH, DOES THE PROPOSAL INCORPORATE AN APPROPRIATE MIX OF USES BASED ON PREVIOUS COMMISSION COMMENTS? UH, DOES THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT ALLOW FOR INTEGRATION WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND DOES THE COMMISSION SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT? WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HANSEL. 
          UH, WE'LL LOOK TO THE COMMISSION. 
          WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT BACK UP IN CASE THERE ARE QUESTIONS DIRECTED TO THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. SCHNARE, LET'S START OFF WITH YOU. 
          JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          THE, THE RETAIL ACCESS TO THE PROPOSED RETAIL, UM, THE WAY IT LOOKS ON THE, ON THE LAYOUT, WOULD YOU SEE THE RET RETAIL FROM BLAZER? YES. 
          YEAH, ACTUALLY, SO ANOTHER REASON WHY WE THOUGHT SWITCHING IT TO THE WEST SIDE, IT WOULD GIVE BETTER VISIBILITY. 
          WHEN YOU DRIVE NORTHEAST, I GUESS, ON BLAZER PARKWAY AND COMING FROM FRANCE ROAD WEST, UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT RETAIL FROM THE ROAD. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, YEAH, TO THAT RETAIL QUESTION, IF THAT BECOMES, I'M ASSUMING IT'S STILL, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT COULD BE A RETAIL SERVICE OR IT'S OPEN, COULD POTENTIALLY MAYBE BE A RESTAURANT AT SOME POINT. 
          I ASSUME THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO PUBLIC, NOT JUST FOR THE YES. 
          RESIDENTS, AND I WOULD JUST, I MEAN, NOT, NOT TO GET IN TOO MUCH DELIBERATION, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A KEY FOCAL FROM THE ENTRANCE, FROM THE, UH, SO YOU MENTIONED MAYBE JUST TO CLARIFY A PATIO OR SOMETHING POTENTIALLY OUT THERE. 
          YES. 
          TO BE REALLY ATTRACTIVE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? MR.  QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THE, UM, AREA PLAN TRAJECTORY. 
          TRAJECTORY SOUNDS LIKE IT'S MONTHS AWAY. 
          ARE THERE DRAFT POINTS, HOWEVER, EVEN IF THEY'RE INCOMPLETE OR SUBJECT TO, SUBJECT TO REFINEMENT? YEAH, SO WE'RE, UM, SORT OF IN THIS INITIAL, UM, FACT FINDING AND DEVELOPMENT OF SCENARIOS. 
          UM, THERE'LL BE A WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL HERE AT THE END OF JANUARY, UM, TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED FEEDBACK FROM THEM AS THESE SCENARIOS ARE DEVELOPED. 
          UM, WITH, AGAIN, AS ZACH MENTIONED, END OF AUGUST, EARLY SEPTEMBER IS WHEN THE FINAL VERSION WOULD BE DONE. 
          UM, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THIS COUNCIL WORK SESSION IN JANUARY THAT THERE'LL BE FURTHER REFINEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT OF THESE. 
          SO THAT WILL BE COMING AVAILABLE AND COUNCIL WILL GET TO WEIGH IN ON, UM, THOSE SORT OF SCENARIOS AND THEN PICKING A PREFERRED ONE. 
          SO BEFORE WE GET TO THE END, THERE WILL BE SOME FURTHER VETTING, UM, AND PUBLIC INPUT AS PART OF THIS, UM, PROJECT AS WELL. 
          SO, BUT, BUT I GUESS I'M GOING, I'M GOING, UH, THE O THE OTHER DIRECTION, LESS THE PUBLIC INPUT, MORE THE PUBLIC OUT SHARING OF DRAFT OR ELEMENTS OR, UM, INTERMEDIATE DELIVERABLES ON THE PATH DOWN THAT, DOWN THAT DIRECTION. 
          YEAH, SO THERE IS A, UM, PUBLIC MEETING ON THE 30TH OF JANUARY THAT IS A PANEL DISCUSSION, SORT OF LIKE WE DID FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN PANEL DISCUSSION, AND THEN A PUBLIC INPUT SESSION WHERE PEOPLE CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS, COMMENTARY, UM, FEEDBACK RELATED TO HOW WE ARE GONNA DEVELOP THESE SCENARIOS. 
          AND THEN THERE'LL BE ANOTHER, UM, OPPORTUNITY AS THAT GETS FURTHER REFINED. 
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I MEAN, IT'S ALL ULTIMATELY GONNA ALSO TIE INTO THE COMMUNITY PLAN. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE FIGURING OUT HOW ALL THESE PIECES COME TOGETHER HERE. 
          THEN YOU, I I GUESS I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE TRAJECTORY AND TIMING OF THAT WORK AND OR, UM, RIGHT, IF PTI IS, UM, WORKING TOWARDS THIS SITE, HOW DOES THAT INTERACTION, HOW DO THOSE THINGS RELATE, UH, WILL BE, WILL THEY POTENTIALLY BE FED AND ALONG FOR THE RIDE? UM, RIGHT. 
          UM, YEAH, THEY'VE PARTICIPANT AND YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN ENGAGED ALREADY AS A STAKEHOLDER, UM, BY THE CONSULTANT GROUP THAT'S, THAT'S DOING THIS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FOR METRO. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE ALREADY PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR DESIRE IS TO DO FOR THAT PROJECT AND HOW THAT PIECE FITS INTO THIS LARGER PUZZLE. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE, THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN FOR THAT, AGAIN, IS A BROADER, UM, VIEW OF THAT, RIGHT? SO THEN THIS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IS TO TAKE THAT AND WHAT WE DID IN 2021 TO THIS NEXT LEVEL OF IMPLEMENTATION. 
          SO KNOWING THAT THIS IS THE VISION FOR THIS AREA, HOW DOES THIS WORK? WHERE DO WE START? WHAT ARE THESE KEY PIECES THAT KICK OFF THIS PROJECT? SO THAT'S THE GOAL AND WHAT'S GONNA BE TAKING PLACE HERE THROUGH SORT OF THE MIDDLE PART END OF THIS YEAR. 
          SO. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU, MR. AK, MS. HARDER. 
          UH, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT AS WELL TOO, WITH THE CITY. 
          UM, WHEN ALL OF THIS COMES TOGETHER, UH, IF, IF THEY TAKE US IN A DIRECTION OF PARKING, UM, WHICH THIS EVENING WE'LL BE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, SO, UM, WILL THAT JUST CHANGE EVERYTHING IF IT'S, UM, UNDERGROUND PARKING OR, UM, MORE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC PARKING? WILL THAT BE A ALSO A DISCUSSION THAT THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS COUNCIL HAS A SAY IN? YEAH, THAT'LL BE ALL PART OF THESE VARIOUS SCENARIOS AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW ALL THE PIECES FIT TOGETHER. 
          WHAT WOULD THAT REQUIRE OR THAT'S PART OF COUNCIL'S GOAL IN WANTING TO TACKLE THIS PROJECT, IS WHAT ARE SOME OF THESE SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS, WHETHER THAT'S STREET CONNECTIONS, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, SIGNATURE TRAIL, UM, YEAH, PARKING STRUCTURES, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WILL BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THIS AREA, NOT JUST SPECIFICALLY TO THIS SITE. 
          SO DO, AM I GONNA KNOW EXACTLY, ARE WE GONNA DO A PARKING STRUCTURE FOR THIS PROJECT, OR IS THAT POSSIBLE THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE AN OUTCOME OF THIS? LIKE I SAID, WE'RE IN THE INITIAL SCENARIO DEVELOPMENT STAGE OF THAT, BUT THERE'S, I MEAN, EVERYTHING'S ON THE TABLE ESSENTIALLY. 
          'CAUSE WE WANT THIS TO BE A SUCCESSFUL REVITALIZED AREA, AND THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE SOME INVESTMENT ON THE CITY'S PART, WHICH IS IN COLLABORATION WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPERS. 
          SO ON THAT NOTE TO YOU ALL, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, AND I KNOW IT'S EARLY, BUT HAVE YOU HAD THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ENTRANCE? ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ELABORATE ON THAT TO ME, THAT IS, UH, WELCOMING TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, BUT ALSO IF, IF I'M DROPPING BY TO EAT THERE, AM I GONNA FEEL COMFORTABLE LIKE GETTING MY PARKING SPOT AND NOT FEELING LIKE I'M TAKING SOMEONE ELSE'S PARKING SPOT? AND WHO LIVES THERE? THE ENTRANCE TO ME? ANY THOUGHTS? AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO, JUST A THOUGHT. 
          YEAH, SO THE, SO THE, AND THAT'S, I TRIED TO SHOW ON THE, THE KIND OF THE ONE STREET CUT THROUGH IMAGE OF WHAT THAT WAS GONNA FEEL LIKE, UH, DOWN THE STREET. 
          I CAN GET BACK TO IT REAL, REAL QUICK HERE. 
          MAYBE NOT. 
          UM, BUT THAT, THAT WIDTH OF THE STREET AND THE FIELD OF THE STREET WITH A SIDEWALK, UH, AS YOU PULL OFF OF BLAZER PARKWAY, IT'S THE SAME, ALMOST THE SAME DIMENSIONS. 
          I BELIEVE, JEFF, YOU CAN MAYBE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AS THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT GOING DOWN THE BRIDGE PARK, IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. 
          SO IT'S GONNA FEEL VERY SIMILAR TO THAT ALL ON STREET PARALLEL PARKING. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA FEEL LIKE YOU'RE PULLING INTO SOMEBODY'S PARKING SPACE. 
          IT'S GONNA FEEL VERY, VERY URBAN. 
          THAT'S NOT THE SLIDE I WAS THINKING. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, RIGHT THERE, THERE WE GO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEN THE, SO THE 11 FOOT DRIVE LANES, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. 
          AND THEN, YEAH, SO IT'S PARALLEL PARKING, SO IT'D BE ABLE TO PARK ON THE STREET RIGHT NEXT TO THE RETAIL OR, YOU KNOW, WE TYPICALLY WOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF RETAIL AREA PARKING IF, IF THERE WAS NOTHING IN FRONT OF THE RETAIL SPACE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM THAT, LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE I MAY HAVE TO FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE IF IT'S BUSY. 
          SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS, IT WAS JUST THE, IF, SORRY, I, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE, TO THE PLAN REAL QUICK FOR ME. 
          THROW IT BACK UP HERE. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AROUND KIND OF THE, THE RETAIL OF THE CLUBHOUSE, AND THEN THERE'S THE SMALL RESIDENTIAL BUILDING OFF TO THE SOUTHEAST, THAT AREA IS OVER PARKED FOR THAT BUILDING, RIGHT? SO THERE'S, THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING SPACES FOR THOSE RESIDENCES AND THEN ALSO FOR, FOR THE RETAIL IN THAT AREA. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. 
          AND MR. CHINOOK, I HAVE ANOTHER, ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION, AND MAYBE THIS IS FOR STAFF AS WELL, THE, JUST TO CLARIFY THE FEW, THE, I GUESS THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS HERE, . 
          SO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARK, 
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I GUESS EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE KIND OF PLAYING NORTH OF THAT, THE PARKING AREA THERE, IS THAT ALL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? AND THEN WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? AND IS THAT PART OF THE GREEN SPACE CALCULATION FOR THE SITE? ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THE COSWAY CORRIDOR AND NORTH OF THE STREET? YEAH, THE WHOLE, I GUESS EVERYTHING THAT'S JUST THAT GREEN SPACE THAT'S PLAN NORTH OF THE PARKING. 
          SURE. 
          I MEAN, AS PROPOSED, THOSE WOULD BE PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER. 
          OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN EARLY STAGE, SO THIS IS GONNA BE MORE REFINED AND, AND TALKED THROUGH, UH, ABOUT WHO IS DOING WHAT. 
          BUT IT DOES SHOW ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT, THAT CORRIDOR OR FUTURE LEISURE TRAIL, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S NOT PROVIDED AT THE MOMENT, BUT WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO THE, TO THE EAST AND WEST OF THE SITE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD COME ONLINE. 
          NOW, ERIC, IF YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME MORE INFO THAT YEAH, SO THAT, SO NORTH OF THE COSS GRAY CORRIDOR, ALL THOSE TRAILS UP THERE, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, WE'D HAVE TO CREATE THAT NORTH SOUTH CONNECTION BET TO THE METRO ROAD, SO FROM BLAZER TO METRO. 
          UM, SO UNTIL NOW, WE WOULDN'T BE PLANNING ON DOING THAT AS A PRIVATE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION TO METRO. 
          BUT ONCE THAT CONNECTION'S MADE, AND THAT, I'M GONNA SAY BRIDGE, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A BRIDGE, THAT BRIDGE OVER THE COSS GRAY CORRIDOR IS MADE, THEN THAT'LL UNLOCK THAT NORTHERN PIECE, UH, AND OPEN UP THOSE AMENITIES. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT'S LISTED IN FUTURE RIGHT NOW. 
          I GUESS THE QUE AND MAYBE THE QUESTION'S MORE ABOUT THE COMMITMENT THERE, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THIS, YOU DO MAKE THAT CONNECTION. 
          YOU'VE GOT A NICE PATCH OF GREEN SPACE THAT'S SHOWING A PATH AND JUST MAKING SURE IT'S NOT JUST SITTING AS A, A VACANT, UNUSABLE FIELD OR WHAT, WHAT IT, WHAT IT COULD BECOME. 
          SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, I GUESS. 
          YEP. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. SOUP BLACK. 
          UM, TELL ME MORE ABOUT, IT'S RIGHT HERE ON THIS, ON THIS DRAWING, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ICONIC ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE AND THE EAST SIDE OF, LET'S CALL IT THE EAST SIDE OF THE QUAD. 
          YEAH, I MIGHT HAVE JEFF COME UP AND MAYBE ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SITE PLAN. 
          YEAH, I THINK, UH, IF YOU COULD S DISCOVERY PLAN, UH, UH, MKSK, UH, 4 6 2 SOUTH LUDLOW ALLEY, COLUMBUS, OHIO, UM, YEAH, WHAT THAT'S POINTING TO, UM, IS A, AN ARCHITECTURAL CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. 
          UH, THINK OF A PERGOLA OR A COVERED WALKWAY THAT WOULD FRAME SOME OUTDOOR OPEN SPACE BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS AT THE HEAD OF THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, EASTERN MOST, UM, UH, LAWN AREA, IF YOU WILL. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE JUST A LOT OF WORDS TO SORT OF DESCRIBE A NON-RESIDENTIAL OR NON-COMMERCIAL PIECE OF THE BUILDING. 
          GOT IT. 
          THAT'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, PARTIAL FOCAL POINT AND PARTIAL FUNCTIONAL PIECE OF BUILDING, NOT, NOT A BRIDGE IN THE AIR, NOT UNLIKELY THAT IT'S A BRIDGE SOMETHING, SOMETHING MORE CLOSER TO ONE-ISH STORIES THAN THE YEAH. 
          MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP, YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU MR. SUE, BLACK. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          SEEING NONE, WE THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. 
          UH, AT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I DO, BEFORE WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, I, I JUST WANNA TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS. 
          SO THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH MEANS THERE'S NON NO VOTE THIS EVENING. 
          ADDITIONALLY, SHOULD THE DEVELOPER CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS APPLICATION, WE WOULD GO THROUGH A FEW MORE STEPS BECAUSE THIS WOULD REQUI REQUIRE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE COMMISSION WOULD SEE THIS AGAIN AND WOULD RE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL WHO WOULD MAKE THAT LEGISLATIVE DECISION FOR THE REZONING OF THIS, OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          ADDITIONALLY, WE WOULD SEE A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          SO WE WOULD SEE THIS AGAIN AT THAT PRELIM PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE IN THE, WHICH WE LIKELY WOULD HAVE PUD DOCUMENTATION, WHICH IS KIND OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AFTER THAT. 
          USUALLY WE HAVE A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THERE IS AN OPTION TO SOMETIMES LAYER THOSE. 
          UH, WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH BOTH OF THOSE PROCESSES, ALL OF WHICH HAS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          SO JUST LIKE THIS MEETING WHERE WE WILL INVITE YOU UP TO SPEAK TO THIS APPLICATION, WE WOULD INVITE YOU UP AT THOSE, THOSE MEETINGS. 
          AND OF COURSE, CITY COUNCIL IS AN OPEN MEETING AS WELL. 
          SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. 
          WE'D LIKE TO INVITE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS CASE. 
          UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, THE GREEN LIGHT IS CURRENTLY ON, ON THE MICROPHONE. 
          SO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND IF YOU COULD LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. 
          THAT WAY WE CAN GET THROUGH EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR JUST COMMENTS. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE JUST TAKE 
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QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, SORRY, RIGHT NOW, NOW WE JUST TAKE COMMENTS. 
          HOWEVER, IF YOU WANNA MAKE IN YOUR COMMENTS, WE GO INTO DELIBERATION NEXT. 
          AND SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING, YOUR QUESTIONS MAY ALSO BE ON OUR MIND, SO DURING DELIBERATION WE MAY ADDRESS THOSE AS A COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WONDER IF I COULD PHRASE THEM DIFFERENTLY? UM, OKAY. 
          I GUESS I'LL MAYBE WAIT. 
          I IMAGINE SHE COULD POSE THE QUESTIONS YES. 
          AND SAY, I'M CUR, I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR ABOUT X, Y, AND Z. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, WE'LL, AS WE DELIBERATE, PERHAPS WE'LL RESPOND. 
          YOU MAY HAVE THE SAME ONES RIGHT IN RESPONDING KIND. 
          UM, NICOLE SALVA 3, 3, 6 PEBBLE CREEK DRIVE. 
          UM, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD VERY CLOSE BY TO THIS PROPOSED, UM, DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, I THINK BASED ON THE ACREAGE, THAT'S IT, IT'S ON, I THINK THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS SEEMS A LITTLE HIGH, BUT I, WITH THE BIG ACREAGE, IT, IT, IT WORKS. 
          UM, I REMEMBER FROM PRIOR MEETINGS ABOUT THE METRO CENTER, I THINK THERE WAS KIND OF A CONSENSUS THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY, UM, ONCE THE, THE FEATURES OF BRIDGE PARK, OF HOW THAT LOOKS. 
          UM, I DO BELIEVE THE, THE PLAN PROPOSED LOOKS GREAT. 
          IT DOES REMIND ME A LOT OF BRIDGE PARK, UM, JUST THE, THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND JUST WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO I WAS, I WOULD BE CURIOUS IF THEY WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE COMMUNITY PLAN MEETING, UM, OF MAYBE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT TO SEE IF THE COMMUNITY WANTS IT TO BE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORICAL TO KIND OF MATCH WITH THE AREA CLOSE BY. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS KIND OF A QUESTION. 
          UM, ALSO LIVING CLOSE BY, UM, I DID KIND OF HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING TOO. 
          'CAUSE THERE WAS 330 UNITS AND I THINK YOU GUYS ESTIMATED LIKE ONE POINT. 
          SO CARS FOR THAT, UM, FOR, FOR EACH, UM, APARTMENT. 
          SO I WAS CURIOUS IF I WANTED TO DRIVE THERE AND WALK AROUND IF THERE'D BE ENOUGH SPACE OR FOR THE, FOR THE RETAIL OR RESTAURANT, WHATEVER GOES IN THERE. 
          IF WE COULD ALSO ENJOY THAT AREA AND IF WE COULD DRIVE THERE, IF WE WOULD HAVE TO WALK. 
          SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, CONCERN TOO, OR QUESTION, I GUESS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S MAYBE IT FOR NOW, BUT YEAH, THANK YOU NICOLE. 
          AND IF AT ANY TIME ANY MEMBERS OF THE, THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS, OUR STAFF IS AVAILABLE, THEY'RE FANTASTIC. 
          SO EVEN BEFORE SITTING ON COMMISSION, WE WOULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          SO WE INVITE YOU TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY VIA THE LIVESTREAM? ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO DELIBERATE. 
          UH, YOU, YOU GOT IT. 
          AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON. 
          YES. 
          GREETINGS. 
          MY NAME IS JOHN EDWARDS. 
          WE'RE AT, UH, 3 4 5 MONTEREY DRIVE. 
          SO WATERFORD VILLAGE, MY QUESTION, UM, REALLY ISN'T RELATIVE TO THE DESIGN OR THE FINISHED PRODUCT. 
          I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH UTI AND THE GREAT WORK THEY DO. 
          I'M MORE INTERESTED IN WHAT TYPE OF WORK HAS BEEN DONE FOR THE IMPACT, UH, ON THE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. 
          SO THIS, THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION RELATIVE TO A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON AND HOW IT'S AFFECTING ALL THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE WAY, UM, IN THAT AREA. 
          ORDER FOR VILLAGE IN PARTICULAR. 
          THANK YOU JOHN. 
          AND WE'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AS WE GO THROUGH THE, THE REST OF THE MEETING. 
          ANYONE ELSE FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON WITH DELIBERATIONS. 
          MR. SCHNEER, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF THIS EVENING? SURE. 
          UM, GEE, I'D, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE TO COME BACK TIME AND AGAIN, BECAUSE EACH TIME IT GETS A LITTLE, GETS SOMEWHAT BETTER, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S EXACTLY FAIR TO THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS AND THE INCORPORATION OF OUR COMMENTS FROM THE LAST FEW SESSIONS. 
          UM, I'M IN, I'M IN, THINK YOU'VE DONE, YOU'RE WORKING ALONG WELL. 
          MY ONE COMMENT I HESITATION IS STILL THE UNDERGROUND PARKING. 
          UM, WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IT'S THE ONE ITEM ON MY MENTAL CHECKLIST THAT, YOU KNOW, WASN'T INCORPORATED. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE, I MEAN, I'M GUESSING THE, THE REASONS ARE ECONOMIC AND PRICING THE PROJECT AFTER THAT. 
          UM, BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK ONCE AGAIN, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AND I JUST WANNA SEE WHAT'S WHERE IT EVOLVES FROM HERE. 
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THANK YOU, MR. SCHNEER. 
          MR. FISHMAN, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE MANY COMMENTS OTHER THAN I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING OUR SUGGESTIONS. 
          I, I'M AS CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING AS PROBABLY EVERYBODY ELSE AND, AND, AND, UH, UM, IT, IT'S A CAR AND A HALF FOR EVERY RESIDENTIAL UNIT, NOT COUNTING THE COMMERCIAL. 
          UM, SO I, I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, AN EXCESS OF UNDERGROUND PARKING RATHER THAN A SHORTAGE OR, UM, I, I, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A CONCERN. 
          AND AS THE YOUNG LADY SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE, THE, THE MERCHANTS WILL SUFFER IF YOU CAN'T FIND A PARKING SPOT. 
          SO, BUT I I ALSO THINK THAT, UH, I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF ONE BED BEDROOM UNITS IS YOU ASSUME ONE PERSON'S GONNA BE LIVING THERE, BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S TWO WITH TWO CARS. 
          AND SO I, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK YOU'VE GONE TO INCREDIBLE EFFORT, UH, UM, UH, AND I, I THINK IT'S A LOT OF UNITS, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          SO THAT'S MY COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. FISHMAN. 
          MR. AK. 
          THERE'S, UM, A WEALTH OF GOOD HERE. 
          YOU GUYS DO GOOD WORK. 
          UM, UH, REAL QUICK BEFORE I GET TO THAT, ERIC, MIKE, UH, JEFF, NICOLE, JOHN, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING, UM, AND SHARING WITH US TODAY, UM, THE LIVING WITH ART PROGRAMMED COMMUNITY APPROACH, KUDOS, UM, THAT'S LOVELY AND WONDERFUL AND A, A NICE WAY OF THINKING, RIGHT? SENSITIVITY OF THE FUTURE CONNECTIONS. 
          UM, APPLAUD, APPLAUD THAT THERE'S A WEALTH HERE THAT, UH, POTENTIALLY HAS, HAS THE POTENTIAL ABILITY TO BE A CATALYST FOR CIRCULATION BETWEEN A WEALTH OF SITES, NOT JUST, NOT JUST YOUR SITE. 
          UM, WHICH IS, I THINK IS FUNDAMENTALLY SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS AREA AS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA SAY THE METRO CENTER STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK STILL COMES TO FRUITION, UH, ABSENT MIXING OF THE COVERED PARKING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IT IS BETWEEN SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND WHAT YOU'VE, WHAT YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER, IT IS A DESIRABLE PLACE, DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE. 
          IT WOULD BE LOVELY TO, TO, TO BE HERE. 
          IT WOULD BE A GOOD ENERGY FOR THE DISTRICT. 
          UM, IT IS MORE THAN A MIL INFILL, IT'S STARTING TO REALLY BECOME A CATALYST THAT I THINK WE ALL COLLECTIVELY WANT IT TO BE IN A REALLY MEANINGFUL WAY. 
          UM, THERE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, I COULD, I COULD, I MIGHT PERSONALLY WANT RELATIVE TO THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          AGAIN, I, IT'S A LITTLE FORMULAIC RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S THE, IT'S LOVELY THREE MATERIALS, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE A MAP WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, WELL, I CAN'T USE GREEN, I GOTTA USE BLUE IN ALABAMA, AND THEN MISSISSIPPI'S GOTTA BE YELLOW, AND THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S KIND OF, OF THAT ILK. 
          WHEREAS I THINK WHAT YOU SHOWED US IN LIBRARY, LIBRARY PARK IN PARTICULAR, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIATION FROM ELEMENT TO ELEMENT. 
          AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR ARCHITECTURE, WHATEVER IT BECOMES, WHETHER IT'S, UH, AS NICOLE AS NICOLE WANTED, UH, A HISTORIC AESTHETIC OR NOT, NOT NOT NECESSARILY ADVOCATING FOR THAT AT THIS POINT, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO VARY. 
          THE BUILDINGS AND THE MASSING VARY THE BUILDINGS AND ARCHITECTURE QUITE A BIT MORE, UM, RELATIVE TO THOSE, SOME OF THOSE BIG MOVES, UM, GENERALLY I'M GONNA ARTICULATE, RIGHT? UH, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE STREET GRID. 
          AGAIN, IT'S DOING WHAT WE WANT. 
          I'M, UH, THERE IS, WE HAD HISTORICALLY BEEN, THIS GROUP HAS BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT, WE TALK ABOUT MIXED USE A LOT, RIGHT? UM, AND HOW MIXED USE POTENTIALLY HAPPENS. 
          AND, UM, AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS A LOT OF ANGST ABOUT, I'M SURE FROM YOU GUYS AS WELL. 
          HOW DOES THAT SURVIVE HERE? WHAT IT, WHAT WHAT WILL WORK RELATIVE TO WHAT THIS DISTRICT IS, AND MAYBE IN THE NEXT PARCELS AND THE NEXT DEVELOPMENTS AND THE NEXT INFILLS, IT CAN REALLY START TO BE MIXED USE SITE BY SITE. 
          UM, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD WHEN YOU'RE ONE OF THE FIRST. 
          UM, SO I THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR ACCOMMODATING SOMETHING. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESOLVE THAT FOR US AT PRESENT. 
          SHORT OF, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE METRO CENTER STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK COMING, COMING TO MORE FRUITION AND MORE OF THE ENERGY AND DEVELOPMENT ENERGY COMING TO FRUITION. 
          NOT, NOT WHOLLY FROM THE PRIVATE SIDE, BUT FROM THE, FROM THE CITY SIDE. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT DEVELOPMENTS ARE WE ENERGIZING THAT PROVIDE BENEFIT FOR THE BROADER COMMUNITY IN A, A REALLY MEANINGFUL WAY? UM, AGAIN, KUDOS. 
          UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD HERE. 
          IT IS GETTING, IT IS GETTING BETTER AS MR. SCHNARE SAID EACH, EACH AND EVERY TIME. 
          AND, UH, AS IT CONTINUES TO DO SO, IT WILL END UP BEING LOVELY, UH, TIMING IT UP RELATIVE TO SOME OF THE THINKING THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON. 
          I THINK IF YOU GUYS ARE PARTICIPANT I THINK WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND 
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WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW THAT COMES TO FRUITION, I THINK IS THE REAL QUESTION ON THIS PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SOUP. 
          BLACK. 
          MR. WE, SO AGAIN, THANKS FOR COMING BACK IN AND, UM, I THINK YOU'VE REALLY ADVANCED THINGS IN TERMS OF LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, I'M GONNA ECHO A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT MARK JUST MENTIONED BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE REALLY FUNDAMENTAL TO THIS PROJECT. 
          AND, AND THE FIRST ONE IS YOU GUYS ARE REALLY PIONEERING, RIGHT? IN AN AREA OF DUBLIN THAT'S AT THE BULLSEYE OF REDEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WE'RE, AS A COMMISSION SITTING HERE WITH A LOT OF PLANNING GOING ON AT THE PROCESS THAT'S GONNA MAYBE SET A DIRECTION THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN EXISTING PLANS. 
          SO BETWEEN THE DCAP PLAN AND THE METRO CENTER CENTER PLAN THAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT GUIDANCE TO HELP GUIDE, UM, YOUR PROCESS. 
          AND SO WE'RE CAUGHT KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, I DO THINK THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND, AND OVER THE SESSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING I SAID, I THINK YOU HAD, THE FRAMEWORK IS ALMOST THERE, RIGHT? AND I, I'M, I AM CONVINCED THAT THIS FRAMEWORK IS REALLY STRONG, UH, TO MARK'S POINT. 
          I EVEN STARTED, YOU KNOW, EXTENDING FRAMEWORK OUT FROM THIS SITE AND THE, THE, THE LINES ALL START TO MATCH UP WITH OTHER THINGS. 
          SO YOU COULD SEE THIS SITE BEING A REAL CATALYST FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN BLAZER, PARKWAY AND METRO CENTER. 
          SO I THINK TOTALLY ON THE RIGHT TRACK. 
          UM, THE NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR TO ME IS A REALLY, REALLY FUNDAMENTAL PIECE TO THIS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE THE CONNECTOR BETWEEN METRO CENTER AND BLAZER PARKWAY, AND THERE COULD BE OTHER CONNECTIONS IN THE FUTURE, BUT I THINK WE ARE PROBABLY PRETTY COMFORTABLE SAYING THERE'S A DESIRE LINE THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED RELATIVELY EASY TO CONNECT THE TWO. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT BEING A CONNECTOR STREET IN AN AREA THAT'S STARTING TO CHANGE CHARACTER IN TERMS OF MIX ABUSES, YOU WOULD WANT THAT TO BE AN ACTIVE CONNECTOR. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THE WAY THAT YOU SHIFTED THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE POOL OVER AND PUT THE POOL BEHIND THINGS, YOU'VE NOW REALLY CELEBRATED THAT AS A STREET. 
          UM, THE PIECE THAT I STILL WOULD LIKE TO PUSH ON IS MORE MIXED USE ACTIVATION OF THAT STREET, UM, DOWN THE DOWN BLAZER PARKWAY, THERE'S A OFFICE CONDO DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS ALL SORTS OF SERVICE, UM, BUSINESSES IN IT. 
          COULD YOU SEE THE GROUND LEVEL OF THE CONNECTOR STREET OF, AGAIN, RETAIL'S A REALLY TOUGH THING. 
          I MEAN, RETAIL IS, THAT'S, NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT RETAIL ANYMORE, RIGHT? RETAIL'S REALLY TOUGH. 
          BUT IF IT WAS SERVICE USES THAT ACTIVATED THAT STREET AND ACTUALLY PROVIDED SERVICES FOR NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE BROADER, UM, COMMUNITY AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONDO DEVELOPMENT IS AN AGING, ANOTHER AGING COMPONENT OF THIS WHOLE AREA THAT OVER TIME COULD POTENTIALLY REDEVELOP. 
          SO THINK OF USES LIKE THAT, THAT START TO ACTIVATE THAT STREET, UM, AND REALLY MAKE THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN BLAZER AND METRO CENTER. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, METRO CENTER, EVERYBODY'S EXCITED ABOUT THINKING ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD BE. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN THAT PLACE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO I, I REALLY DOUBT THAT IT'S GONNA BE A TOTAL, LIKE, START ALL OVER, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA BE THE WEAVING TOGETHER OF NEW USES WITH OLD USES. 
          AND I THINK THIS SITE IS, IS PART OF THAT WEAVING. 
          SO YOUR WEAVING, UH, BLAZER PARKWAY INTO THE METRO CENTER DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I THINK THAT NORTH SOUTH CONNECTION IS REALLY CRITICAL FROM A, A USE STANDPOINT TO MAKE IT A REALLY STRONG CONNECTION. 
          NOT JUST A STREET CONNECTION, BUT A PEDESTRIAN ACTIVE CONNECTION. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE YOU TO, UM, CONTINUE TO WORK ON. 
          AGAIN, THE, THE STREET GRID'S GREAT. 
          UM, AND, AND I THINK IT HAS GREAT FLEXIBILITY, UM, IN TERMS OF THE NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR, I WAS THINKING OF JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY AS IT CONNECTS BRIDGE PARK UP TO DUBLIN CENTER, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOW, THAT'S A REALLY NICE STREET, BUT IT JUST HAS RESIDENTIAL ALONG IT. 
          AND MAYBE THAT STREET COULD HAVE BEEN STRONGER IF IT HAD MORE ACTIVATION TO IT. 
          SO I'M, I'M THINKING OF THOSE PARALLELS. 
          UM, YOUR ATTENTION TO THE COSS GRAY CORRIDOR, COSS GRAY PARK, ABSOLUTELY FUNDAMENTAL. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I THINK RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA MAKES A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE YOU CAN REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AS A PARK AND REALLY ACTIVATE IT THAT WAY. 
          SO I'M, I'M REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK THE, THE, THE WAY THAT THE, THAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT THE COS GRAY CORRIDOR IS, IT'S NOT JUST A FROM TWO 70 OVER TO, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER IT'S POTENTIALLY A 
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CROSS CITY OPEN SPACE CONNECTION. 
          SO THINK OF IT IN THE BIGGER SENSE AND HOW THIS SITE AND THIS SECTION OF IT CONTRIBUTES TO THAT BIGGER PIECE. 
          AND I THINK A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING ACTUALLY EMBRACE THAT. 
          SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S REALLY STRONG. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE AN ISLAND  IN AN AREA THAT'S POTENTIALLY CHANGING, AND I THINK TO ME, ALL THE INGREDIENTS ARE THERE. 
          UM, AND JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT WOULD REALLY HELP TO STRENGTHEN IT. 
          SO I, AGAIN, I SUPPORT IT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WE MS. HARDER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I AGREE. 
          VERY NICE JOB. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, JUST TO ADD ON A FEW OF OF THESE, UM, AS A COMMISSIONER, IT'S BEEN HELPFUL FOR ME TO GO AND SEE THE SITE BECAUSE EVERY TIME I SEE IT, I CAN ENVISION MORE AND MORE AND GETTING A DIFFERENT FEEL THERE AND CAN FEEL WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          I'VE NOTICED THAT THERE IS A, A, A BUS STOP THAT, UM, EASY ACCESS FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO. 
          I CAN, I CAN VISUALIZE THAT IT LOOKS FAR NOW, YOU KNOW, TO GET TO THE, A STARBUCKS THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD, BUT WHEN THIS ALL KIND OF COMES TOGETHER, IT'S GONNA BE AN EASY ACCESS TO THINGS, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH MY LIST, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS ARE HITTING ME TONIGHT TOO, IS, IS, UM, PERSONS WITH MOBIL MOBILITY ISSUES AS WELL TOO, THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THEM LIVING THERE AS WELL AS MOVING AROUND THERE AS WELL TOO, AND KEEPING THAT. 
          UM, I, UH, ALSO, UH, THINKING ABOUT THE SITE TOO IS THE MOUNDING. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT STARTS TO MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S A PLACE LIKE HOME. 
          SO THAT, THAT IS HELPFUL. 
          AND YOU MAY HAVE TO PUT SOME, MAYBE IN SOME OTHER AREAS AS WELL TOO, BUT I THINK THAT PART IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          I APPRECIATE SO MUCH THAT YOU'VE MET WITH THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA, HOMEOWNERS, IF THAT'S, AND KEEP, UM, DOING THAT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, AND, UM, AND, AND WORKING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          UM, I, I LIKE THAT THOUGHT OF THE WALKUP UNITS AND SO FORTH, BUT AGAIN, I REALLY WANNA SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE BRIDGE STREET KIND OF, UM, THOUGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE ONE THERE TOO. 
          I ALSO HAVE THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING. 
          UM, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO DO UNDERGROUND PARKING OR SOMETHING THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVENIENT, UH, COMING IN AND BEING A PART OF THAT, THAT, THAT I THINK WOULD BE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY THERE TOO. 
          UM, THEN I, UM, GIMME ONE SECOND THERE. 
          BUS ACCESSIBILITY. 
          I KNOW, UM, TALKED ABOUT PARKING. 
          SORRY, I HAVE MY LITTLE LIST HERE. 
          I AM. 
          UM, I LIKE THE FEEL OF THE PLACE. 
          I CAN SEE, UM, IT BEING DEVELOPED THERE. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO, UH, ALL OF THE THOUGHTS ABOUT THE LEISURE, UH, THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING AROUND THAT AREA AS WELL AS ANYBODY WHO'S LIVING THERE FEELS COMFORTABLE WALKING YOUR PATH. 
          I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ART THAT YOU'RE BRINGING OUT, UM, INTO THOSE SPACES FOR PEOPLE. 
          I ALSO SEE IT THAT, UM, IF THERE'S A YOGA CLASS THAT MEETS UP IN A, IN A PLACE, OUT THAT WAY IS A GREAT IDEA TOO. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE ALL KEEP TALKING ABOUT PICKLEBALL AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, IT'S ANOTHER WAY OF BRINGING PEOPLE IN, UM, YOU KNOW, DOG PARKS. 
          ANY WAY THAT WE CAN BRING PEOPLE OUTSIDE AND, UM, CONNECTING, UM, IS EXACTLY WHAT, UH, WE'D BE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          AND WHEN, I ALWAYS SAY THIS TOO, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT YOUR ART AND SO FORTH, LOOK WITHIN DUBLIN AS WELL TOO. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE DUBLIN HAS ART, THE ART, UM, UH, ART COMMUNITY AS WELL AS OUR SCHOOLS AND SO FORTH, MAY BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY OF A RESOURCE. 
          AND, UM, I, I, I REALLY, UH, THINK THAT THE LIVING ART IS A NICE IDEA, UH, WHERE IT CAN BE CHANGED AND UPDATED. 
          UM, I, I DON'T WANNA SEE IT EVER, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOMEONE GOES, OH, THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO, TO, UH, COMMERCIALIZE SOMETHING OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. 
          BUT I DO SEE THAT AS A, AS, AS AN, AS A NEAT, UM, OPPORTUNITY THERE TOO. 
          UM, THOSE ARE, LET'S SEE. 
          YEP, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          BUT, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE. 
          I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US TO GO THROUGH THIS. 
          UH, IT'S HELPED ME TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DO MY HOMEWORK AND KEEP THINKING IN, IN SOME, UH, OF THOSE DIRECTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. CHINOOK. 
          I, UH, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING. 
          I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT, SO I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO REHASH A LOT OF STUFF, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE ADDITIONAL POINTS I LIKE TO MAKE. 
          AGAIN, I THINK IT MAKES OUR JOB EASIER, THIS WHOLE PROCESS EASIER WHEN YOU GET DIRECTLY RESPOND TO OUR COMMENTS. 
          AND I THINK YOU CLEARLY HAVE DONE THAT HERE, WHICH WE, WE VERY MUCH 
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APPRECIATE. 
          UM, AND THE CONNECTIVITY AND EVERYTHING, AND THE, THE QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN DEFINITELY START TO START TO FEEL YOUR VISION FOR THAT. 
          UM, WE APPRECIATE YOU KINDA STARTING THAT. 
          WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO. 
          I AGREE WITH, UH, MARK SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE ARTICULATION TO BUILDING AND KNOW WE'LL GET THERE. 
          BUT JUST TO TRY TO THINK OF THAT FROM AN ARCHITECTURE AND MATERIAL STANDPOINT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WANNA COMMENT ON, I, I, I REALLY AGREE ON THE, THE, WHAT MR. WADE WAS SAYING ABOUT THE, THE CONNECTION AND THAT CORRIDOR. 
          AND I THINK I MENTIONED IT EARLIER ABOUT THAT RETAIL BEING KIND OF, THAT, THAT FIRST BLUSH HIT WHEN YOU ENTER THE SITE. 
          I THINK THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT CORRIDOR AND THE CONNECTIVITY TO METRO, IT CAN'T BE OVERSTATED ENOUGH. 
          I THINK JUST THAT WHOLE, THAT AGAIN, THAT, THAT, THAT STREET SCAPE AND, AND WHAT WE DO WITH THAT IS, IS JUST GONNA BE A CRITICAL PIECE TO THIS WHOLE, THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO I THINK WE NEED TO MAY PAY, PAY A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION TO THAT. 
          UM, AGAIN, I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE, UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF SURFACE PARKING. 
          SO IF WE CAN'T DO ANY KIND OF, UM, GARAGE OR ANY KIND OF ALTERNATE TO THE SURFACE PARKING, I THINK MOUNDING OR MORE LANDSCAPING TO TRY TO MITIGATE THE, THE VIEWS FROM THE PARK AND FROM THE, FROM THE SPACES, THE LIVING SPACES, I THINK WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, THE, THE COMMITMENT TO THAT GREEN SPACE IN THAT CORRIDOR. 
          IT'S A REALLY NICE FEATURE OF THE SITE. 
          AND WHEN WE SAY FU YOU KNOW, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UM, WE'D LOVE TO SEE THAT COME OFF WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          AGAIN, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, YOU LOOK AT THAT CONNECTIVITY TO METRO PLACE, THAT'S, THOSE ARE JUST SO SIGNIFICANT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'D LOVE TO SEE IT BE PART OF THIS WHOLE, UM, WHOLE THING AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE IT'LL BE DONE IN, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER. 
          SOME SORT OF, SOME SORT OF COMMITMENT TO THAT, THAT GREEN SPACE, I THINK WOULD GO A REALLY LONG WAY TO MAKE THIS REALLY, REALLY SPECIAL. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. 
          UM, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THE COMMENTS MADE EARLIER, THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS MADE EARLIER. 
          UM, ON THE PARKING RIGHT NOW, THE APPLICATION HAS 1.45 PARKING SPACES. 
          AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AND WE FIND OUT WHAT THOSE USES ARE IN THE RETAIL AREA, WHAT, HOW EXTENSIVE THE RETAIL AREA IS, THOSE NUMBERS, AND OF COURSE, THE COMMISSION AND STAFF'S VIEW OF WHETHER THOSE ARE SUFFICIENT OR NOT WILL BE DISCUSSED. 
          SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD RIGHT NOW, WE LIKE TO SAY WE'RE ON CRAYONS ON PAPER, AND NEXT STEP IS LIKE YOUR DUPE LOAD BLOCKS, AND THEN YOU GET DOWN INTO LEGO BLOCKS. 
          AS WE GET FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS, WE'LL ADDRESS PARKING. 
          AND THEN ALSO WITH THE TRAFFIC, UH, CONCERNS WITH PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE REZONING APPLICATION, THERE WOULD BE A REQUIRED TRAFFIC STUDY TO EVALUATE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL IMPACTS OR THAT THOSE IMPACTS ARE MITIGATED TO MAINTAIN A SPECIFIC LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN WISHES TO PROVIDE TO ALL OF ITS CITIZENS AND VISITORS. 
          UM, I, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR ANY OF THE POINTS. 
          I DO WANNA SAY THANK YOU. 
          THE THINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERED FROM OUR LAST, THE LAYOUT AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THE DESIGN HAS BEEN INCORPORATED IN THIS APPLICATION, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, THE VIEW FROM BLAZER PARKWAY, I THINK THAT A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THAT. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT MIXED USE COMPONENTS IS SO THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING THROUGH THIS CHECKERBOARD OF BUSINESS, RESIDENTIAL BUSINESS, RESIDENTIAL BUSINESS. 
          AND ESPECIALLY AS WE START TO REDEVELOP THESE PARCELS, THAT'S, THAT'S CRITICAL. 
          WE DON'T WANNA FEEL, WE'RE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THEY'RE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT FEELS PLANNED, THAT IT'S NOT JUST HAPPENSTANCE THAT SOMETHING CAME IN AND THERE WAS NO THOUGHT TO IT. 
          ADDITIONALLY, UH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO THE APPLICANT FOR PARTNERING ON THE METRO CENTER STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK PLAN. 
          I THINK I GOT ALL THE WORDS IN THAT WE LIKE TO MAKE VERY LONG NAMES, UH, BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE AT AN ADVANTAGE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA SNAP OUR FINGERS OR MAY WAVE A MAGIC WAND AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WHAT SIT BEFORE US IS GOING TO BE BUILT. 
          UH, IT'S NICE THAT THOSE ARE DOVETAILED AND I THINK THAT WE WILL MAKE A BETTER PLAN WITH YOUR INPUT ON WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING TO DO, WHAT IS FEASIBLE IN THIS AREA. 
          AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ON THE PARKING. 
          UH, THIS CAME UP IN OUR LAST DISCUSSION. 
          WE DON'T WANNA DUPLICATE THAT SEA OF PARKING BUILDING BEHIND KIND OF VIEW. 
          AND I THINK YOU'VE MITIGATED SOME OF THAT BY BRINGING THAT RETAIL UP. 
          BUT I ALSO ECHO, UH, MR. WES, UH, OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED THAT, THAT ACTIVATION ON THE NORTHWEST CORRIDOR, SORRY, THE NORTH, SOUTH CORRIDOR IS, THAT WOULD BE PRETTY PHENOMENAL IF SERVICE ORIENTED ACTIVATION AT THE GROUND LEVEL COULD BE INCORPORATED THROUGH THAT NORTH SOUTH AREA ALONG WITH THE BRA, BLAZER, PARK, PARKWAY CURVE, THEN IT TRULY BECOMES A, A MIXED USE TYPE APPLICATION, A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, AND A MIXED USE AREA. 
          UH, AND I, I'M GONNA END WITH PARKING BECAUSE I THINK YOU HEARD THAT FROM ALL, ALL SIX OF US, ALL 
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SEVEN OF US, SEVEN OF US, INCLUDING MYSELF. 
          I, I KNOW THAT PARKING STRUCTURES ARE EXPENSIVE, AND I KNOW THAT UNDERGROUND PARKING IS EXPENSIVE, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, BUT THE BUILDING BLOCKS COULD LOOK SO MUCH DIFFERENT. 
          THERE COULD BE SO MUCH, UH, UNIQUENESS, INTERPLAY INTENSITY. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU'LL TYPICALLY HEAR, UH, A LACK OF, UH, EMBRACING DENSITY AND INTENSITY, BUT WE COULD ENTERTAIN THAT WITH THE EXTRA LAND THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING TAKEN UP BY PARKING SPACES. 
          SO IT IS, I APPRECIATE THE INCORPORATION OF SO MUCH FEEDBACK, AND I DIDN'T EVEN MENTION THE, THE RIPARIAN THAT, THAT CORRIDOR, THE CAUSE GRAY AREA. 
          THANK YOU FOR PRESERVING SUCH AN AMAZING ASSET. 
          I THINK SOMEONE TOUCHED ON THAT AND USED THAT EXACT WORD, BUT THAT IS AN AMAZING ASSET, NOT JUST TO THIS PARCEL, BUT TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          WITH THAT, THERE IS NO, NO OFFICIAL VOTE, NO FORMAL VOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF YOU'D LIKE ANY CLARIFICATION ON THESE ITEMS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, TO RESTATE ANYTHING, BUT IF WE WERE UNCLEAR IN OUR FEEDBACK, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I GUESS IT'S ON. 
          UM, SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, SO I DON'T, UM, CAN WE GET THE, CAN WE GET THE SIDE PLAN BACK UP? I, I THINK, KIM, I'M GOING TO YOUR COMMENT. 
          I, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO YOU'RE, THE SUGGESTION IS TO THE TOP WHERE BASICALLY THE NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR WOULD COME THROUGH. 
          I THINK WHAT I'M, I BELIEVE WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT AS YOU GO DOWN AND PROCEED STRAIGHT SOUTH, THAT YOUR THOUGHT IS TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN ADDITION TO THE RETAIL THAT WE'RE DEFINING. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE GOT THE RETAIL AT, SHALL WE SAY THE ENTRANCE AND THEN AT THE SOUTH END, AND AS YOU PROCEED NORTH TOWARDS THE END, OR THE CONNECTION WILL ULTIMATELY BE MADE, YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ONCE AGAIN MAYBE SOME COMMERCIAL TYPE OF USES OR SOMETHING ELSE TO ACTIVATE THE STREET. 
          I MEAN, IN THE OLD DAYS, I'D SAY RETAIL, RIGHT? BUT RETAIL IS, IS NOT WHAT IT WAS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY IMM, I'M, I HEARD YOGA STUDIO, WOULDN'T THAT BE GREAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN THE FITNESS CENTER ALREADY? BUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE CONDO DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S, THERE'S DOCTOR'S OFFICES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT FEEL LIKE AN ACT OF STREET AND THAT'S PART OF A AREA THAT'S GONNA CHANGE LIKE THAT NORTH OF IT, RIGHT? SO IF YOU, IF YOU CAN ENVISION THAT METRO CENTER MIGHT RE-ENVISION ITSELF TO BE MORE GROUND LEVEL ACTIVITY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          THIS IS THE SOUTHERN GATEWAY TO IT. 
          SO HOW DO YOU REALLY MAKE THIS THE TRANSITIONAL BY STARTING TO INTRODUCE THOSE USES IN THIS? AND, AND, AND TO WHAT REBECCA SAID ABOUT, WE WE'RE LOOKING FOR MIXED USE, UM, IN THIS WHOLE AREA. 
          SO THIS STREET, AT A MINIMUM, PROVIDES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING MIXED USE. 
          AND IT'S JUST, IT WOULD BE GROUND LEVEL, RIGHT? YOU WANT GROUND LEVEL ACTIVITY, KINDA RESIDENTIAL ABOVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE BRIDGE PARK OR WHATEVER. 
          AND AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE LIKE BRIDGE PARK, BUT ANY KIND OF URBAN STREET IN A DOWNTOWN OR WHEREVER WITH THAT ACTIVATION AND THEN PEOPLE LIVING UP ABOVE IT IS, IS I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO START HERE AND HOPEFULLY CONTINUE THROUGHOUT METRO CENTER AND IT MIGHT EVEN OVER TIME EXPAND FURTHER INTO BLAZER PARKWAY. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY STUDY THE IDEA IN THE NEXT ITERATION. 
          MY ONLY, AND THE ONE THING I DO HAVE TO SAY IS THAT I'VE, UH, ENJOYED THE FACT THAT WE CAN TALK TO YOU, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE, . 
          UM, SO THE ONLY, THE, THE MAIN CONCERN I THINK THAT I WOULD HAVE THERE IS JUST A, A TIMING. 
          I MEAN, IT'S AT THE BACK. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, ANY BUSINESS OWNER OR ANYBODY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MARKET THAT SPACE TO TRUST ME, WE CAN SELL AS GOOD AS ANYBODY, BUT IN THE END EQUATION, THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, WELL, I'M KIND OF AT THE BACK. 
          I'M, YOU KNOW, NOBODY, NOBODY CAN SEE ME FROM THE NORTH. 
          SOMEONE'S, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO BE A 100% DESTINATION. 
          YOU, BY THE WAY, YOU CAN CERTAINLY CATCH USERS WHO ARE HAPPY TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THAT TYPE OF AN ENVIRONMENT. 
          BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, A A QUESTION THAT I WOULD PROBABLY COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY WITH IS WHEN IS THAT CONNECTION GOING TO BE ESTABLISHED? AND ONCE AGAIN, WE GOT BACK, GET BACK TO THAT PHRASE, THE OLD CHICKEN AND THE EGG THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. 
          IF THAT CONNECTION WAS GONNA HAPPEN SOON, KIM, I THINK THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE OUR PERSPECTIVE ON A LOT OF THINGS. 
          'CAUSE I DO HAVE TO CONFESS TO YOU, WE REALLY ARE TAKING THE LEAP OF FAITH ON THE RETAIL. 
          UM, ONCE AGAIN, WE BELIEVE THAT 
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OUR CONSULTANT THAT WE WORK WITH IS ONE OF THE BEST. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD GO ACTUALLY INTO THE RETAIL, BUT WE'VE KIND OF CONVINCED OURSELVES THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOK, YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY. 
          SOME THINGS WORK HERE THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T WORK IN OTHER PLACES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, LOOK, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A GAMBLE ON IT. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE O THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE. 
          SO MAYBE WE THINK ABOUT PROGRAMMING IT ONCE AGAIN, HIGHER CLEAR HEIGHTS. 
          MAYBE WE USE AN AMENITY AREA OVER THERE THAT CAN BE CONVERTED. 
          I, I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT. 
          IT'S A QUESTION. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING NOT TO USE THE WORD RETAIL, BECAUSE I TOTALLY GET IT. 
          I MEAN, YOU'RE IN THE, YOU'RE IN THE BACK OF THE BACK , RIGHT? AND ONCE THAT STREET CONNECTION GETS OPENED UP, IT'S GONNA BE A GAME CHANGER FOR THAT SITE. 
          IT'S GONNA CHANGE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE THE PIONEER, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE HERE. 
          BUT IF YOU SET IT UP SO THAT IT CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE USES IN THE FUTURE, AND IN THE SHORT TERM, MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S A LIVE WORK TYPE OF UNIT, RIGHT? SO SOMEBODY'S LIVING UP ABOVE WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME KIND OF A BUSINESS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON A SHORT-TERM LEASE OR LONG-TERM LEASE OR SOMETHING WHERE THAT COULD TURN OVER, RIGHT? AND THAT CONNECTION OPENS UP AND MAYBE SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A YOGA STUDIO THERE, OR, OR ARE THEY WANNA COME AND BAKE CUPCAKES BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A COOL PLACE AND, YOU KNOW, THE PARK IS, IS HOPEFULLY GONNA BE AN ATTRACTION. 
          SO PEOPLE ARE GONNA CUT BE COMING TO THE PARK AND THEY'RE GOING TO NEED THINGS, RIGHT? THEY MIGHT WANNA GET SOME FOOD OR, OH YEAH. 
          YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN, ONCE AGAIN WITH THE CONNECT YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          I GET IT. 
          TOTALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          WE CAN STUDY IT, WE CAN STUDY. 
          THE CONCERN IS VALID. 
          SO MARK AND I MEET WITH OUR, OUR COUNCIL LIAISON QUITE FREQUENTLY. 
          I I THINK THE CONCERN IS VALID. 
          UH, WE MEET WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR VISION AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LEVEL MATCHES WITH COUNCIL'S VISION OF THIS PARTICULAR AREA. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN CHALLENGED WITH IS MAKING THIS MIXED USE AND YOUR ARGUMENT OF, IF WE WANNA REALLY MAKE THIS MIXED USE AND WE WANT USERS WHO ARE USED TO HAVING FRONTAGE ARE USED TO HAVING VISIBILITY, THEN THE NORTH-SOUTH CONNECTOR BECOMES, UM, A MORE CRITICAL REQUIREMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY BUMP THAT UP. 
          THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, UH, PRIORITIES LIST. 
          MARK, ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD? I APPLAUD YOUR WILLINGNESS TO ENTERTAIN IT. 
          UM, I, I THINK WE'RE ALL TUNED INTO, AGAIN, CHICKEN, EGG CART HORSE, UH, CONCERNS, RIGHT? UM, I, AND I, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA GO TO MARKETABILITY. 
          I'M GONNA GO TO SUCCESS FOR WHOEVER MIGHT SORT OF STEP INTO SOME OF THESE SPACES, RIGHT? AND HOW DO, HOW DO WE, UM, GET THOSE DOMINOES? HOW DO WE COLLECTIVELY, ALL OF US NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT YOU, NOT US, BUT COLLECTIVELY, ALL OF US GET THOSE DOMINOES TO FALL THE WAY WE WANT THEM TO. 
          UM, AND THE LANGUAGE THAT MR. WE IS USING OF NON-RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? UM, OR, OR EVEN, UH, FLEX YOU, YOU ARE WENT TO, CAN WE MAKE IT THE, THE SHELL, RIGHT? THE SHELL THAT WOULD NEED TO BE POTENTIALLY COMMERCIAL, UM, IN A WAY THAT POTENTIALLY ACCOMMODATES SOME FUTURE VERSION OF THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AT LEAST GIVING IT FORETHOUGHT IN A WAY THAT, UM, SETS IT UP WITH POTENTIAL SUCCESS FOR IF THIS BLOSSOMS THE WAY WE ALL WANT IT TO BLOSSOM, RIGHT? THAT CONNECTOR BLOSSOMS THE WAY, AND YOU WOULD WANT, I, YOU KNOW, MR. WADE IS SPOT ON. 
          YOU WOULD WANT THAT VIBRANCY ON THAT STREET ADJACENT TO YOUR, I'M GONNA CALL IT A QUAD, RIGHT? BUT YOUR QUAD AND DRAWING BACK AND FORTH IN THE TWO, SORT OF AFFECTING EACH OTHER IN A NICE WAY, UM, IT JUST CAN'T POTENTIALLY SURVIVE THAT WAY ON ITS OWN. 
          I'M SAYING THE, THE NON-RESIDENTIAL CAN'T SURVIVE THAT WAY ON ITS OWN. 
          IT NEEDS MORE, UM, IMPACT FROM THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. 
          SO WHATEVER THAT'S TO SAY, I APPLAUD YOUR WILLINGNESS TO ENTERTAIN IT AND THINK THROUGH IT AND, UM, WEAVE IT INTO THE ARCHITECTURE NOW. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THERE OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE PLANS FOR HOW THAT UNFURLS LATER AND WHEN THOSE DOMINOES FALL. 
          BUT, UM, CROSS, CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE ACTUALLY BUILD IT. 
          HOW ABOUT ? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS PARKING. 
          UM, IT'S NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM FOR THERE TO BE STRUCTURED PARKING ON THIS PROJECT WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC CONTRIBUTION. 
          IT'S JUST NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PER PERCENT AWARE OF THE TRANSACTION AND THE STRUCTURE FOR BRIDGE PARK. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S A REALLY DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT. 
          RENTAL RATES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THERE. 
          YOU'VE GOT REALLY STRONG COMMERCIAL, YOU'VE GOT REALLY STRONG RETAIL AS YOU'VE SAID BEFORE, WE'RE KIND OF PIONEERING. 
          AND WE HAVE TRIED TO TRULY A, UH, AVOID THE PER, YOU KNOW, THE SEA OF PARKING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE 
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TRIED TO CREATE TRAYS OF PARKING. 
          AND I THINK IN OUR, UH, IN THE LAST MEETING, I THINK IT WAS JEFF, THAT KIND OF DETAILED HOW, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE OPERATIONAL END OF TWO BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE, UH, OF OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          SO PUTTING THOSE TRAYS OF PARKING KIND OF CREATES THAT BUFFER. 
          AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IS CREATE THE BEST LIVING ENVIRONMENT POSSIBLE FOR OUR TENANTS. 
          UM, SO WE WILL, WE'RE GONNA REALLY PROGRAM IT FROM A LANDSCAPING STANDPOINT. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN, FROM A, JUST WE LOOK AT THE EXTERIOR AS MUCH AS WE LOOK AT THE INTERIOR. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED, UM, WE BUILD ALL OF THE PROJECTS, UH, THAT WE DEVELOP AS IF WE ARE GOING TO OWN THEM FOREVER. 
          NOW, I DON'T WANT YOU, I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY STATEMENTS AND SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE DNA OF OUR ORGANIZATION. 
          WE ARE NOT A MERCHANT DEVELOPER THAT COMES INTO A TOWN, PUTS SOMETHING UP AND IMMEDIATELY SELLS IT AND RUNS FOR THE HILLS. 
          THAT'S NOT THE WAY THAT WE OPERATE AS A DEVELOPER. 
          CANDIDLY, RON PTI TOLD ME A MILLION YEARS AGO, 'CAUSE I REPORTED TO HIM FOR A DECADE PERSONALLY. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO. 
          HE TOLD ME ONE DAY. 
          AND SO THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO. 
          UM, AND JOEL PTI FEELS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE WHOLE PARKING SITUATION, WE JUST CAN'T DO IT. 
          IT, THE PROJECT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. 
          UH, IF WE HAVE TO GO THE ROUTE OF TRYING TO DO STRUCTURED OR UNDERGROUND PARKING, IT JUST CAN'T MAKE IT PENCIL, I MEAN, IS REALLY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO. 
          SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE TOO, YOU, BECAUSE OUR NEXT STEP FROM HERE IS WE WANT TO ADVANCE THE PROJECT. 
          UM, THIS IS A VERY REAL PROJECT FOR US IN 2024, I GUESS I WILL SAY THAT. 
          UM, AND SO FOR US TO TAKE THAT NEXT STEP TO DO THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED AND START TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT TO JUST PURSUE THIS AND MATURE IT AND GO TO THE NEXT STEP WITH YOU AS A PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS TODAY, AS YOU SAID BEFORE, REBECCA, WHEN YOU MENTIONED YOU DON'T NECESSARILY VOTE, BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOU TO GIVE US A THUMBS UP TO TELL US, HEY, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. 
          MAKE THE NEXT MOVE WITH YOUR CONSULTANTS TO GO AHEAD AND FLUSH OUT THIS PLAN IN A MORE FULSOME WAY. 
          GET AFTER THE CIVIL DRAWINGS AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE SO THAT WE CAN REALLY GET INTO THE BRASS TACKS OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          UM, BUT IF IT'S GOING TO, IF WE'RE GONNA COME BACK NEXT TIME AND YOU'RE GONNA TELL US, HEY, YOU GUYS DIDN'T INCORPORATE STRUCTURED PARKING. 
          I MEAN, I HAVE TO JUST BE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST WITH YOU RIGHT NOW. 
          I MEAN, IT JUST, IT'S NOT THAT TYPE OF AN ENVIRONMENT. 
          ONCE AGAIN, IF THE ENTIRETY OF THE COST IS TO BE BORN BY THE, BY THE DEVELOPMENT, IT JUST, THE NUMBERS JUST DON'T WORK. 
          MR. FISHMAN. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S DISTURBING TO ME THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER STRUCTURED PARKING BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT WITH 330 UNITS JUST THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF 700 CARS. 
          AND, AND, UH, UM, I, I THINK THAT COULD BE, UH, A DISTRACTION TO, TO, YOU KNOW, YOUR BUSINESS BETTER THAN WE DO. 
          BUT I THINK THAT IT, IT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE A PLUS. 
          AND THAT'S NOT KIND OF HOW WE OPERATE IN DUBLIN. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE, UM, UH, UM, WE GET THE CARS PUT AWAY AND WE GET THAT EVERYBODY HAS A PARKING PLACE. 
          ARE YOU GONNA HAVE ASSIGNED PARKING PLACES FOR EACH APARTMENT? UH, NO. 
          NO. 
          AND WARREN, TO GO BACK TO THE, ONCE AGAIN, I, I, UM, I CERTAINLY RESPECT, UH, YOUR POSITION ON IT. 
          UM, WE DIDN'T, BY THE WAY FROM THE LAST THAT THIS DIDN'T COME UP IN OUR DISCUSSION, UM, AFTER THE LAST MEETING, THE, THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PARKING, WE DIDN'T DISMISS IT. 
          NOT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. 
          IN FACT, UM, INSTEAD OF GOING BACK TO, UH, A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, WE ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, THE COMPANIES THAT ACTUALLY MANAGE OUR APARTMENT PROJECTS. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN, WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE A PROJECT THAT IS NOT SUFFICIENTLY PARKED. 
          THAT REPUTATION GETS OUT. 
          IT IMPACTS THE ABILITY TO RENT THE PROJECT. 
          IT IMPACTS IT RIGHT TO THE BOTTOM LINE. 
          SO I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE A MISTAKE. 
          I MEAN, SELFISHLY, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE A MISTAKE. 
          SO WE WENT, ACTUALLY WENT BACK TO OUR MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND HAD THEM LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WITH A CERTAIN LEVEL OF RETAIL. 
          AND BY THE WAY, I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE PARKING ACTUALLY IN CERTAIN AREAS TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, THE RETAIL AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT KIM'S BRINGING UP. 
          UM, BUT WE WENT BACK TO THEM AND WE ASKED THEM, WE SAID, LOOK, HOW DO YOU GUYS JUST FEEL ABOUT THE PARKING? WE 
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DIDN'T LEAD 'EM TO IT. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. 
          THEY'RE THE ONES WHO MANAGE THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WILL LEASE THE PROPERTY FOR US. 
          AND CANDIDLY, THEY WERE MORE THAN SATISFIED WITH IT. 
          I'M NOT GONNA GO DEEP INTO IT, BUT THEY WENT DEEP INTO IT TODAY WITH US ABOUT TODAY'S RENTER. 
          AND I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOK FOR ME, BY THE WAY, I WANTED A CAR AS SOON AS I COULD GET A CAR. 
          IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE WAY, AS THEY PUT IT, THAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS TODAY. 
          SO THEY WERE, I GUESS, ONCE AGAIN, NOT TO GO TOO DEEP INTO THE WEEDS, THEY WERE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE PARKING RATIO AS IT IS, ONCE AGAIN WITH VISITORS, BY THE WAY, WITH VISITORS COMING TO THE ACTUAL PROJECT. 
          NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS, NOT JUST THE RETAIL. 
          SO WITH VISITORS ACTUALLY COMING THERE. 
          'CAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT WAS KEY BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, GOING BACK TO YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT THAT BASICALLY ATTRACTS PEOPLE, I DO THINK THAT THAT WALKING PATH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE DECIDING TO MAKE IT MUCH WIDER, BECAUSE WE DO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WILL RIDE THEIR BIKES ON THAT. 
          WE BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WILL WALK ON THAT. 
          WE BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WILL RUN ON THAT. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO CREATE SOME SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY MOVE. 
          SO THAT'S, I MEAN, WE, I WE DID NOT DISMISS THE COMMENT IN ANY WAY. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UH, WE, WE HAVE NO VOTE ON THIS ITEM, BUT I THINK THE COMMISSION DID EXPRESS THE CONCERNS WITH PARKING, THE CONCERNS WITH, UM, THE RETAIL ACTIVATION, AT LEAST A COUPLE OF US. 
          UH, I, I, I THINK YOU'RE STILL GONNA EXPRESS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE ECONOMICS OF THE PROJECT DON'T, DON'T MAKE IT EASY AND, AND FEASIBLE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT KEEN ON A SEA OF PARKING. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW WE APPRECIATE THE MITIGATION OF THE LAYOUT OF THE PARKING. 
          I THINK YOU'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF, OF COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS OF THE, THE OVERALL OUTLINE, THE FORMAT OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          UM, I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO MITIGATE THAT VIEW AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          BRINGING THIS BACK, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HEAR FROM THE COMMISSION, WE WISH MAGIC WAND. 
          THERE'S PARKING STRUCTURE, THERE'S UNDERGROUND PARKING. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR DESIRE IS. 
          IF THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE GIVEN YOUR APPLICATION, THEN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COMMISSION HAS A STRONG DESIRE TO HAVE THAT, BECAUSE WE WANNA AVOID THE SEA OF PARKING, THEN TRY TO MAKE IT NOT LOOK LIKE A SEA OF PARKING. 
          AND SO CHALLENGE YOUR DESIGNERS, CHALLENGE YOUR, YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. 
          WE CAN'T HAVE IT LOOK LIKE A SEA OF PARKING AND WE NEED IT ADEQUATELY PARKED. 
          SO WE UNDERSTAND YOU GOING BACK TO THE PROGRAMMING AND THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, BUT SOMETHING BRINGING BACK SAYING, OKAY, WELL WE HAVE COMP COMPLIMENTARY USES IN OTHER PROJECTS OF OURS. 
          THIS IS WHAT THE RETAIL PARKING IS. 
          THIS IS WHAT YOUR CITY CODE WOULD REQUIRE. 
          IF THIS WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, AN ADJACENT PARCEL OF MUR FOUR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           TYPE PROGRAMMING AND THEN MITIGATING THAT SEA OF PARKING LOOK, COMMISSION LOOKING TO YOU TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY CLARIFICATIONS OR, YEAH. 
          UM, I, I, NOT TO DWELL ON IT, BUT, UH, I, I, I THINK THAT TWO REASONS WE WANT UNDERGROUND PARKING IS WE DON'T WANNA SEE A A A, A CAR LOT, A SEA OF CARS. 
          AND WE ALSO WANT PEOPLE ADEQUATELY PARKED. 
          YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND COLUMBUS, AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE, WHERE THEY WERE APPROVED WITH A ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF SURFACE PARKING, WHICH THERE IS NO OR NO GARAGES. 
          PEOPLE ARE PARKED ON THE GRASS, UM, UH, UH, PLACES THEY SHOULDN'T BE PARKED. 
          'CAUSE IF THEY GET IN LATE AT NIGHT, THERE'S NO PARKING. 
          AND, AND, UM, UH, SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S A REAL CONCERN. 
          I THINK YOU DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB. 
          AND AS FAR ALL THE AMENITIES AND ALL THIS KIND OF THINGS, AND I RESPECT PSU. 
          I'VE SEEN MANY OF HIS CASES COME THROUGH. 
          UH, BUT I, I, I, I ALSO, UM, HEARD A SUGGESTION FROM SOMEBODY IN OUR AUDIENCE, I THOUGHT WAS, MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T MAKE THIS LOOK LIKE BRIDGE PARK AS MUCH AND MAYBE WORK ON THE ARCHITECTURE A LITTLE BIT TOO, AND MAKE MAYBE SIX 12 ROOFS INSTEAD OF FLAT ROOFS. 
          AND, AND, UH, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT THE WHOLE CITY TO LOOK LIKE BRIDGE PARK, YOU KNOW? AND SO I THINK THAT'S ONE THING, BUT I, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS 330 UNITS. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF I WAS BUILDING THREE 30 UNITS, I MEAN, YOU'RE THE EXPERTS, NOT ME. 
          I'D HAVE, UH, UNDERGROUND PARKING OR, UM, UM, UH, TO GET RID OF THE, THE, SOME OF THOSE CARS BECAUSE I THINK THAT, OR UNDERGROUND OR THE STRUCTURE OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A SEA OF PARKING. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE, WE, WE NEVER, IT'S NEVER LESS CARS THAN WE THINK . 
          WHEN, WHEN YOU GO TO THESE FARM COMPLEX, IT'S ALWAYS MORE, OKAY, UH, IT'S ONE BEDROOM UNIT. 
          YOU THINK ONE PERSON WOULD BE THERE, BUT IT ENDS UP, IT'S TWO, TWO CARS, YOU KNOW? SO 
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I, I, I THINK THAT'S A BIG CONCERN. 
          AND, AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST NEGATIVE I SEE ABOUT THE PROJECT. 
          SO FOR THE SAKE OF EXPEDIENCY, WE'LL, WE'LL DO MR. WE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM FOR THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          IT'S SOMEWHAT OF AN OPPOSING VIEW. 
          UM, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF BALANCING OPEN SPACE PARKING AND BUILDINGS. 
          I, I THINK A 60 FOOT BAY OF PARKING WRAPPING AROUND IS NOT A SEA OF PARKING. 
          IT'S VERY TRADITIONAL. 
          UM, IF WE WANTED THEM TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A LOT MORE DENSER. 
          IT WOULD HAVE TO BE GETTING TO BRIDGE PARK DENSITIES, AND THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN START TO BUILD, AFFORD TO BUILD PARKING STRUCTURES. 
          BUT I THINK THIS SITE, SITTING ON THE COS GRAY OPEN SPACE IN AN AREA THAT IS, YOU KNOW, OF THAT SCALE, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT SCALE. 
          AND I THINK FOR THAT SCALE, I THINK THE, THE PARKING HAS BEEN MANAGED IN A, IN A, AS BEST A WAY IT COULD. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE ATTRACTIVE AND IT WILL BE BEAUTIFUL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WE THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK IN A, IN A FUTURE MEETING. 
          AND CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE AND THEY CAN COMMUNICATE WITH US AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, WE DO APPRECIATE THE TIME. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE MAKING A GOOD EFFORT. 
          LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE 
          [Case #23-115MSP]
MOVING ON TO CASE 23 DASH 15 MSP. 
          THIS IS THE BAILEY REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR A NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CONSISTING OF SIX WALL SIGNS AND ONE GROUND SIGN. 
          THE 1.77 ACRE SITE IS ZONE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CIO RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED NORTHWEST AT THE INTERSECTION OF DALE DRIVE AND BANKER DRIVE. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR A PRESENTATION. 
          I'M ADAM KESSLER, UH, WITH KESSLER SIGN COMPANY, 1564 ARLINGTON AVENUE. 
          UH, I'M WORKING ON THIS PROJECT WITH CRAWFORD HOYNE, AND YES, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN BRIDGE PARK. 
          UM, IT'S CALLED THE BAILEY, AND IT'S AT 4 3 5 1 MOONEY STREET. 
          UM, SO GO OVER THE, THE SIGNAGE REAL QUICK HERE. 
          UM, THIS FIRST SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE MONUMENT SIGN THERE ON THE GROUND. 
          UM, THAT IS THE, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER OF, UH, THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO IT'S A 26 SQUARE FOOT MONUMENT SIGN, UH, INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED. 
          AND, UM, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE, UH, CANOPY SIGN OVER THE STRUCTURE WHERE THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS RIGHT THERE ON THE, UH, IT'D BE THE NORTH SIDE ON WINDER. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A FLAG SIGN HIGHLIGHTING THE SECONDARY TENANT, WHICH IS FRIENDSHIP AT HOME. 
          YEAH, YEAH, RIGHT THERE. 
          YEP. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE OF THE 1800 SQUARE FEET ISH OFFICE OF FRIENDSHIP AT HOME, UH, WHICH IS A, A SEPARATE TENANT TO THE BAILEY. 
          AND THEY'LL ALSO HAVE VINYL ON THE, THE DOORS AS YOU WALK IN. 
          UM, YEAH, IF YOU STAY HERE, THIS IS PROBABLY A BETTER VIEW FOR EVERYTHING. 
          UH, SO THOSE ARE THOSE THREE SIGNS. 
          THEN, UM, TOP LEFT IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION, AND THAT'S, UH, TRIM LIST, CHANNEL LETTERS INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, UH, 72.25 SQUARE FEET SIGN. 
          UH, AND THEN RIGHT BELOW THAT IS THE, UH, WEST SIDE ELEVATION, WHICH IS OUR, UH, BLADE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS 41 SQUARE FEET, INTERNALLY, INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, PUSHED THROUGH GRAPHICS. 
          UM, THE EDGE WILL BE LIT UP IN A MULTICOLOR ACCENT, WHICH IS REALLY COOL. 
          I THINK THAT'S A REALLY NICE PIECE. 
          AND THEN THE ONE PIECE THAT'S JUST COME INTO CONTENTION THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, I, I THINK EVERYBODY FEELS GOOD ABOUT THOSE FIRST SIX, IS THE, THE SIGN ON THE STRUCTURE THERE ON THE, UH, ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, UH, WHICH IT CO IT COVERS THE, THE WALL WITH A CABINET STYLE, INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGN WITH PUSH THROUGH GRAPHICS. 
          WE FOUND THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ON MOONEY, THE KIND OF THE MAIN DRAG TO SHOW THAT OR HIGHLIGHT THAT FRIENDSHIP AT HOME IS A TENANT IN THIS BUILDING, AND 
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THEY HAVE A PRESENCE THERE, AN OFFICE THERE. 
          AND THERE'S REALLY, I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE FLAG SIGN, WHICH IS A GREAT SIGN FOR, AS YOU'RE WALKING IN AND YOU KNOW WHERE TO PHYSICALLY WALK INTO, UM, THERE IS NO REAL, UH, PRESENCE ON MOONEY OR ANY OF THE OTHER MAIN DRAGS THAT KIND OF SHOW OR HIGHLIGHT THE, THE TENANT THAT'S IN THERE BEING FRIENDSHIP AT HOME. 
          SO WE FELT THAT THIS WAS THE BEST PLACE TO DO THAT. 
          AND THEN IN PUTTING A, A CABINET STYLE SIGN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED GIVES YOU THE, UH, ABILITY TO HAVE IT LIGHT UP AT NIGHT. 
          UM, THE, THE WALL HAS THE STRUCTURES THAT DON'T, OR HAS THE, UH, BREAKERS, I THINK YOU CALL THEM, UH, THAT DON'T ALLOW, UH, FOR CHANNEL LETTERS SPECIFICALLY. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD MAKE SENSE. 
          AND, AND THIS IS WHERE WE LANDED. 
          SO I KNOW THIS, THIS COULD BE ONE THAT MIGHT GO EITHER WAY. 
          WE REALLY FEEL STRONGLY THAT THE, THE, UH, TENANT NEEDS, UH, SOME PRESENCE TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, UH, ALSO FOR SAFETY REASONS, IF SOMEBODY'S DRIVING DOWN THE STREET TO KNOW WHERE TO GO, BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT ALSO HAS THE ADDRESS BELOW THEIR, UH, THEIR NAME THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FRIENDSHIP AT HOME AND YOU'RE DRIVING BY YOU, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT, THAT IT'S THERE UNLESS THERE WAS A SIGN THAT SOMEWHERE ON THE MAIN DRAG THAT KIND OF LETS YOU KNOW, OH, IT'S THIS ADDRESS ON WINDER STREET. 
          SO, UH, THIS WAS OUR BEST OPTION AT THE TIME. 
          NOW, IF IT'S STRONGLY OPPOSED, WE COULD TAKE CURB THIS SIGN AND COME BACK WITH A COUPLE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, MAYBE A STRUCTURE IN FRONT, UM, IN FRONT OF THAT WALL STRUCTURE THAT DOESN'T, UH, MORE LIKE A PEDESTRIAN MONUMENT SIGN, UH, KIND OF LIKE A DIRECTIONAL OR MAYBE SOMETHING ON TOP OF THE WALL THAT'S STYLED IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKES SENSE OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REALLY COVER THE ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE OR THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THAT WALL THAT, YOU KNOW, SEEMS TO BE VERY IMPORTANT. 
          SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD TAKE BACK, BUT FOR THE OTHER SIX SIGNS SPECIFICALLY, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PERMITTING AND, AND, UH, MOVING FORWARD ON THE PROJECT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? UH, WE'LL DO QUESTIONS SEPARATELY ON THIS ITEM. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE HEAR THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? MR. SCHNEER? UM, THIS PROBABLY IS GONNA BE FOR STAFF AS WELL, IS, DO YOU THINK, DO YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THAT ONE SIGN? BECAUSE THE WALL IS NOT A, THE PLANE IS NOT FLAT, THAT IT, YEAH. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T DO LIKE, TYPICAL CHANNEL LETTERS, BECAUSE YEAH, IT'S NOT FLAT. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S LITTLE, UM, EVERY 16 INCHES. 
          THERE'S THESE, UH, WHAT DO WE CALL 'EM HERE, THE, UH, BRICK HEADERS THAT STICK OUT AN INCH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A FLAT SURFACE TO PUT CHANNEL LETTERS ON. 
          SO WHATEVER WE WOULD DO ON THE WALL WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, STICK OUT AT LEAST TWO INCHES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE PAINTED THE, OUR IDEA IS TO PAINT THE CABINET THE SAME COLOR AS THE WALL, SO IT BLENDS IN NICELY, AND YOU STILL GET TO SEE AROUND THE STRUCTURE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE CABINET, OUTSIDE OF THE CABINET, THEY'D STILL BE VISIBLE. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT WAS THE BEST SOLVE, AND I STILL BELIEVE IS THE BEST SOLVE. 
          NOW, IF IT STRONGLY OPPOSED AND WE STILL NEED TO GET THE PRESENCE, UH, FOR THE TENANT, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS IF NEEDED. 
          BUT WE STILL THINK THIS IS THE BEST IDEA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? MR. CHINNOCK? YES. 
          THE, THE GRAPHIC, I GUESS THE THREE RIBBON GRAPHIC. 
          MM-HMM, , JUST TO CLARIFY, IS THAT, IS THAT CALCULATED IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL? I MEAN, IT'S A STAFF QUESTION, IS IT? THAT'S PART OF THE SQUARE, TOTAL SIGN SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          YEP. 
          AND EVEN THE ONE THAT HAS SENT THE SENDER ABOVE THE, UH, CANOPY IS PART OF THE YEP. 
          CALCULATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINNOCK. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO STAFF FOR THE CASE PRESENTATION, THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, TONIGHT WE'RE REVIEWING A MASTER SIGN PLAN. 
          THIS IS A ONE STEP, WELL, TWO STEP PROCESS, ONE STEP WITH PLANNING. 
          UH, THE SECOND WOULD BE BUILDING, PERMITTING, FOLLOWING AND APPROVAL, UH, FROM PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TONIGHT. 
          SO MASTER SIGN PLAN IS INTENDED TO ALLOW FOR DEVIATIONS TO THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS, BUT IN RETURN, UH, RECEIVING 
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UNIQUE AND CREATIVE SIGNS. 
          SO NOT JUST ALLOWING PEOPLE TO HAVE HIGHER SIGNS, LARGER SIGNS OR A LARGER NUMBER OF SIGNS, BUT, UM, ALLOWING FOR THAT WITH UNIQUE, UH, IN WHIMSICAL DESIGNS IN THESE SIGNS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING FOR TONIGHT. 
          UH, AS STATED, THE BAILEY IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND IS LOCATED, UH, NORTH NORTHEAST, UH, SORRY, NORTHWEST OF DALE DRIVE AND BANKER DRIVE, UM, AND IS ZONED SCIO RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I'LL QUICKLY GO THROUGH, UH, THE SITE PLAN IN EACH OF THESE SIGNED DETAILS, UH, AND JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION IN ANYWHERE THAT STAFF HAD PROVIDED, UH, COMMENTS AND CONCERNS. 
          I'LL ADDRESS THOSE AS WELL. 
          SO THE FIRST SIGN IS THAT SOUTH, UH, WALL SIGN, WHICH IS A PRIMARY IDENTIFICATION SIGN AT THE TOP OF THE SOUTH FACADE OF THE BUILDING. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT CIRCLED IN RED AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE SCREEN. 
          UH, SO THIS IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 72 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. 
          AND JAMIE, YOU HAD MENTIONED JUST HOW THINGS ARE CALCULATED. 
          WE'RE TAKING A BOX AROUND THE FURTHEST POINTS OF THE SIGN. 
          SO IT DOES INCLUDE DEAD SPACE. 
          UM, SO IF YOU LOOKED AT EACH INDIVIDUAL LETTER, YOU WOULD NOT GET TO 72, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT JUST, UH, AS A RECTANGLE OF, OF THE FURTHEST BOUNDS. 
          SO 72 SQUARE FEET AND A HEIGHT OF 56 FEET AT THE TOP OF THE BUILDING, UH, IS IT IS INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, UM, WITH THE WHITE LETTERS. 
          THE GROUND SIGN IS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THE DESIGN OF BOTH, UM, STRAIGHT ON, AND THEN HOW IT WOULD LOOK IN REFERENCE TO THE BUILDING AND SOME OF THE DECORATIVE LIGHTING THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          SO THIS IS 26 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AT A HEIGHT OF TWO AND A HALF FEET, AND INCLUDES A ALUMINUM, UH, ALUMINUM IN A WOOD TEXTURE CLADDING ON THE OUTSIDE WITH DECORATIVE GLASS FEATURES. 
          SO THOSE GLASSES ARE INTENDED TO REPLICATE THE DESIGN OF THE LOGO AND WILL ALSO BE LIT INTERNALLY. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE SOME UPLIGHTING THAT WILL ALSO, UM, AND THEN THE, THE COPY WILL ALSO BE LIT UP. 
          UH, THERE WERE SOME CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WERE PLACED ON THIS SIGN, UH, JUST AS THERE WERE SOME DISCREPANCIES ON SOME OF THE SITE PLANS THAT WERE SHOWN AND THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN. 
          SO, UH, STAFF IS CONDITIONING THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATE THE PLANS TO ACCURATE ACCURATELY REPRESENT THE LOCATION OF THE GROUND SIGN. 
          UH, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S SHOWN IN THAT RENDERING AT THE BOTTOM LEFT THERE. 
          UH, SO THAT'S UPDATED AND THAT'S WHERE THE LOCATION SHOULD BE AND WOULD BE, UH, REPRESENTED ON THOSE PLANS. 
          AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, UH, WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE LANDSCAPING WITH ALL GROUND SIGNS. 
          UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN WAS APPROVED WITH THE BAILEY, AND THIS IS A RELATIVELY LOW SIGN. 
          SO, UH, WORKING WITH STAFF ON A LANDSCAPE PLAN, SO IT DOESN'T DIMINISH THE, THE SIGN AND, AND IN INHIBIT ANY, UH, VIEWS THERE. 
          BUT ALSO PROVIDING THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          UH, NEXT THE BLADE SIGN, WHICH IS ON THE, UH, WEST ELEVATION OVER TOP OF THE PARKING ENTRANCE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT AT THE LEFT HERE AND ON THE RENDERING AT THE RIGHT SIDE. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME ALUMINUM CLAD, UH, WITH THE WHITE LETTER COPY. 
          AND THEN ON THE EDGE OF THE SIGN IS A VINYL, WHICH WILL BE LIT UP. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT TAKES ON THE COLORS AND THEN THE, THE COLORS OF THE LOGO, AND THEN THE EDGE OF THE SIGN TAKES ON THE WAVE, UH, OF THE LOGO. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, WEST SIGN FOR FRIENDSHIP AT HOME. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE STAFF HAS HAD MOST OF OUR CONCERNS. 
          UH, AND THE CONCERNS ARE, ARE BASED AROUND LIKE, UH, IT WAS STATED, THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE SCREENING WALL. 
          AND THAT'S A, THE FEATURE WHERE THERE IS A BRICK, UM, DETAIL WHERE THE BRICK, UH, EVERY 16 INCHES DOES COME OUT ONE INCH. 
          SO, UM, THE CONCERN IS THAT THE SIGN WOULD IMPACT THAT DESIGN, UH, THAT WAS VERY INTENTIONAL IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, BUT ALSO THE NECESSITY OF THE SIGN IS FRIENDSHIP, UH, UNDERSTANDING THEY DO NEED, UH, SIGNAGE AND ARE PROVIDING THAT. 
          AND, AND WE WILL GET TO THAT NEXT, UH, WITH A PROJECTING SIGN. 
          BUT, UH, THIS SIGN DOESN'T QUITE PROVIDE ANY, ANY WAY FINDING, UH, AND IT'S NOT LOCATED IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, UH, TO THE ENTRANCE. 
          SO STAFF'S CONDITION THAT THIS SIGN BE REMOVED, BUT WE ARE MORE THAN OPEN TO ANY COMMENTS, UM, FROM THE COMMISSION ON THE DIRECTION FOR THIS SIGN. 
          UH, NEXT IS THE PROJECTING SIGN ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UM, A NORTH CANOPY SIGN. 
          BOTH OF THESE ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER, IDENTIFYING BOTH OF THE USERS HERE. 
          UH, THE, THE FRIENDSHIP AT HOME SIGN, UH, IS NOT IMMEDIATELY ON THE SAME FACADE AS THE ENTRANCE. 
          IT DOES COME OUT A LITTLE BIT, WHICH YOU'LL SEE ON THAT LEFT, UH, RED CIRCLE. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, THE BAILEY AT, AT BRIDGE PARKS CANOPY SIGN, UM, IS A CANOPY EDGE SIGN. 
          AND, UM, YES, SIMILAR DESIGN TO THE, THE SOUTHERN WALL SIGN. 
          SO WITH THAT, UH, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS TO THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA AND ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE FOUR CONDITIONS, WHICH 
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WERE NOTED. 
          HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. HEEL. 
          LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF THIS TIME, MR. CHINOOK, I GOT A FEW FOR YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, THE NUMBER SEVEN SIGNS FOR THIS, UM, BUILDING SEEMS FAIRLY EXCESSIVE. 
          WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S STAFF'S TAKE ON THE NUMBER OF SIGNS OVERALL? SO I THINK THAT THAT IS RELATED TO US REQUESTING THAT ONE SIGN BE REMOVED FOR FRIENDSHIP AT, UH, AT HOME, BUT ALSO THE SIGNS ARE, ARE SPLIT. 
          WE WERE LOOKING AT AS TWO SEPARATE TENANTS, UM, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER BUILDINGS. 
          SO WITH THAT, WE FELT THAT IT WAS A LITTLE MORE IN LINE, UM, BUT ALSO JUST THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, MONUMENT SIGN, UM, THERE'S NO REAL PRECEDENT FOR THAT AT BRIDGE PARK. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING, I MEAN, THAT WOULD KIND OF BE SPECIAL TO THIS LOCATION? LIKE IS THERE, I MEAN, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE, DO WE NEED TO HAVE IT LIKE THE, MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT TOO, LIKE, IS THE MONUMENT SIGN NECESSARY HERE? I'D RATHER SET A PAY FOR LANDSCAPING INSTEAD OF A MONUMENT SIGN WHEN WE'VE ALREADY GOT PLENTY OF SIGNS IN THE BUILDING. 
          SURE. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE, YOU ARE CORRECT THAT MONUMENT SIGNS ARE, ARE RATHER RARE IN BRIDGE PARK. 
          UM, THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES, I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE IN BLOCK A THAT IS IN THE PLAZA AREA. 
          UM, THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, OF WHERE WE HAVE DONE A MONUMENT SIGN BEFORE, BUT YOU USUALLY DON'T HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A MONUMENT SIGN. 
          SO, UM, UNDERSTANDING THE SPACE THAT IS THERE AND HOW, AND WANTING TO, WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HOW DOES THIS INTEGRATE WITH THE PROOF LANDSCAPING AND THE LIGHTING THAT YOU SEE. 
          UM, SO STAFF FELT THAT, THAT THE DESIGN THAT WAS PROVIDED, UM, AND IT INTEGRATES WELL AND IT'S STAFF FELT THAT IT WAS CREATIVE AND, AND BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, THE DESIGN OF THE LOGO, BUT ALSO THE BRANDING OF, OF THE BUSINESS FELT THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ONE MORE ON THAT. 
          SORRY, ON THE BLADE SIGN, ON THE EDGE OF THE BLADE SIGN, UM, WE'VE GOT THAT LED COLOR BAND, UM, WHICH TO ME IS GETTING DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO NEON. 
          IS THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD, WE COULD, WOULD CONSIDER ELIMINATING OR HOW, I MEAN, I GUESS FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, ARE WE, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? SO DETAIL, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO MODIFY THIS SIGN AS THE, THE BANDING WAS ON THE TOP AND SOUTH OF IT, OR THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF IT. 
          UM, THE, THE FILM ITSELF IS NOT NEON. 
          IT'S, IT'S A FILM OVER THE WHITE LIGHT. 
          UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH A CONCERN, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE'S JUST A PARKING GARAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          THE CONCERN WE HAD WAS IF IT WAS THERE AND ON THE TOP AND BOTTOM OKAY, POTENTIALLY IMPACTING ANY RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE LIVING THERE. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THIS AT THE MOMENT. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY AS IT'S, IF IT WERE INSTALLED, WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE LIGHTING OF IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS IN, IN THE FUTURE. 
          'CAUSE LIGHTING CAN BE ADJUSTED IN THE AMOUNT OF LUMENS THAT ARE, THAT ARE PROJECTED. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC? SORRY. 
          UM, IN DRIVING THROUGH BRIDGE PARK RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE NON-CONFORMING SIGNS AND SO ON, BUT SINCE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THEM, THEY LOOK FINE. 
          AND, AND I, I THINK THAT, UM, AS WE CONSIDER MORE SIGNS BECAUSE WE APPROVE THIS, THAT WE, UM, TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION, UH, A FEW SIGNS LIKE THESE, IN MY OPINION, LOOK FINE, BUT IF YOU GET BUNCHES OF SIGNS, YOU GO TO SOME AREAS OR COMMERCIAL AREAS, OLDER ONES ESPECIALLY, AND, AND THEY'VE GOT SIGNS EVERYWHERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT ALL BE CONFORMING IT, IT MAKES THE AREA LOOK, GIVES THE AREA A DIFFERENT LOOK. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD IN THE FUTURE, CONTINUE TO CONSIDER THE NUMBER OF SIGNS WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          BUT I DROVE THROUGH TODAY ON PURPOSE AND YOU HARDLY NOTICE THE SIGN. 
          I MEAN, THEY, THEY BLEND IN GREAT. 
          AND, AND THAT ROOSTER CERTAINLY ISN'T A CONFORMING SIGN. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, SOME OF THE SIGNS, BUT IT LOOKS GOOD BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SIGNS THERE NOW, YOU KNOW. 
          SO, MS. HARDER, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          UM, CAN YOU, UM, TELL ME IF WE, UM, EMIT THIS SIGN, THEN CAN THE APPLICANT COME BACK WITH SOME OTHER IDEAS? BECAUSE YOU WERE ALLUDING TO SOME OTHER IDEAS. 
          IS THAT PART OF THAT PROCESS TOO, OR, YEAH, SO IF WE WERE TO, IF YOU WERE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON ALL BUT ONE SIGN, UM, FOR INSTANCE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WITH AN AMENDED MASTER SIGN PLAN TO ALLOW FOR THAT SIGN. 
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UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WOULD TAKE, IF IT ONE SIGN OR TWO SIGN, WHATEVER IT IS, UM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THAT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. MAY, I'M SORRY IF YOU ALREADY STATED THIS, BUT, SO YOU'VE GOT SIGNS THAT SAY THE BAILEY AT BRIDGE PARK AND THEN YOU HAVE SIGNS THAT SAY FRIENDSHIP AT HOME, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF BOTH OF THOSE? THAT DIFFERENTIATION, AND I UNDERSTAND ITS FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE IS IS RIGHT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE IDENTIFYING THIS PROJECT EV EVERYWHERE, IT'S THE BAILEY, RIGHT? AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE. 
          YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          I'M DRIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RITA DOHERTY, UH, 6,000 RIVERSIDE DRIVE IN DUBLIN. 
          I AM THE CEO FOR FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE. 
          AND FRIENDSHIP AT HOME IS A COMPONENT OF THE FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE FAMILY. 
          SO WHILE THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH CRAWFORD HO IS REALLY TO DEVELOP THIS 55 PLUS COMMUNITY THAT IS NOW THE BAILEY, THE FRIENDSHIP AT HOME IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE COMPANY THAT FRIENDSHIP VILLAGE HAS. 
          UM, THE FRIENDSHIP AT HOME CONCEPT IS MORE OF A LIFE CARE WITHOUT BORDERS. 
          SO WE PROVIDE LIFE CARE TO RESIDENTS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY WHO LIVE IN THEIR HOMES OR WHEREVER CURRENTLY. 
          OR WE USED TO HAVE AN OFFICE, A FRIENDSHIP AND HOME OFFICE ON HIGH STREET IN OLD DUBLIN. 
          UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, WE WERE GOING TO BUILD THIS SPACE, UM, IN THE BAILEY TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE COHESIVE, UM, PARTNERSHIP I OR SYMBIOTIC, UM, WORK. 
          WE REALLY, WE, WE CLOSED OUR OFFICE, UH, ON HIGH STREET AND WE MOVED IT TO THE VILLAGE FOR THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD COME TO THE BAILEY. 
          SO THEY ARE SEPARATE ENTITIES. 
          WHILE THEY ARE, WERE INTENDED TO WORK TOGETHER, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 200 FRIENDSHIP AT HOME RESIDENTS WITH THE GROWTH OF 500 IN THE NEXT PROBABLY THREE TO FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, SO IT IS ITS OWN ENTITY AND ITS OWN BUSINESS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHY TODAY I REALLY WANTED TO COMMUNICATE THAT TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE SIGNAGE PIECE, BUT ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKING ACROSS THE STREET, GOING INTO THOSE OFFICES, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE SEVEN OFFICES. 
          THEY'LL NEED TO HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE FRIENDSHIP AT HOME IS. 
          SO BAILEY'S THE BUILDING? YES. 
          AND FRIENDSHIP AT HOME IS THE SPACE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO? SO BAILEY IS 87 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          THE FIRST FLOOR OF BAILEY IS A, A TENANT, A COMMERCIAL TENANT, WHICH IS OCCUPIED BY FRIENDSHIP AT HOME. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELCOME. 
          ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION WHILE HE IS COMING UP? JENNY, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY FROM THE LIVESTREAM? THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME'S SCOTT HERRING. 
          I LIVE AT 32 80 LILY MAR COURT. 
          I'M ON THE MARTIN ROAD CORRIDOR. 
          I'M NOT FAR FROM THE BRIDGE PARK. 
          MR. HOUSEFIELD, COULD YOU PUT UP THE SLIDE AGAIN? SO AM I TO UNDERSTAND, THIS BUILDING FILLS ONE CITY BLOCK AND A LOT OF THE CITY BLOCKS ARE ABOUT 400 SQUARE, UH, 400 FEET LONG. 
          SO I'M JUST, I JUST WANNA GIVE A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE. 
          I DON'T THINK SEVEN SIGNS IS EXCESSIVE IN ANY WAY FOR AN ENTIRE CITY BLOCK. 
          I LIKE THAT THERE'S A GIANT SIGN HIGH IN THE BUILDING. 
          IF I WAS TRYING TO GET TO THIS, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT SIGN AT THE HEIGHT OF 50 FEET AND SEE THAT FROM A DISTANCE AS I GOT IN CLOSER, BOY, IF I PARK SOMEWHERE AND ENDED UP TRYING TO FIND MY WAY INTO THIS. 
          SO IF, IF THAT BLOCK IS ROUGHLY 400 FEET TIME, FOUR SIDES, RIGHT? SO 1600 LINEAR FEET, THAT'S MORE THAN A QUARTER MILE . 
          SO IF I WAS WALKING AROUND A QUARTER MILE AROUND THIS GIANT BUILDING, SEVEN SIGNS DOES NOT SOUND LIKE VERY MUCH. 
          AND I HEARD SOMEBODY ELSE SAY, OH, OTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS HAVE MULTIPLE TENANTS AND CERTAINLY EACH TENANT DESERVES A SIGN. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ARGUMENT IS. 
          SEVEN SIGNS DOES NOT SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL ON A STRUCTURE THIS SIZE. 
          THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. HERRING. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE MOVE INTO COMMISSION DELIBERATION? SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE INTO TO DELIBERATION. 
          MR. CHINON, CAN I START OFF WITH YOU THIS EVENING? SURE. 
          I, AGAIN, I THINK I JUST, PART OF MY QUESTIONING WAS THERE'S, I, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE, THE DESIGN OF THE SIGNS. 
          I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT TONIGHT. 
          AND I DO THINK THERE, UH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, BUT I STILL THINK IT'S 
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EX EXCESSIVE. 
          THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AT BRIDGE PARK AND I THINK ADDING MORE, UH, SIGNS TO IT MAYBE ISN'T THE, THE THE BEST IDEA. 
          SO GENERALLY, UM, I AGREE WITH REMOVING THE, UH, THE, THE, THE SIGN IN QUESTION ON THE WEST, UH, FASCIA. 
          UM, BUT I, I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE LESS SIGNAGE AND I, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE, THE, UH, MONUMENT SIGN. 
          AND IT'S, IN MY OPINION, A LITTLE BIT EVEN OVER-DESIGNED AS A MONUMENT SIGN, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GONNA PUT LANDSCAPE AROUND IT AND COVER MOST OF IT UP. 
          SO I JUST, I, I THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR SIGN. 
          BUT, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S, IT'S OKAY. 
          I JUST, AGAIN, THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A FEW SIGNS WE COULD PROBABLY ELIMINATE. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHINOOK. 
          HARDER, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, I TEND TO AGREE WITH, UM, THE CRITERIA THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, GIVEN TONIGHT BASICALLY ON THE CREATIVITY END OF IT. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER DIRECTIONS THAT WE'RE, UH, GOING IN THAT, THAT, UH, WAY AS WELL TOO. 
          UM, I DO, UH, THINK THAT, UM, IF WE FOLLOW THESE, UH, CRI CRITERIA AND CONDITIONS, I THINK IT'LL KIND OF MOVE US IN A BETTER, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, PUT SIGNAGE ON THAT BUILDING AS WELL TOO, AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING. 
          AND, UM, AND I, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE ONE SIDE REALLY IS GIVING THE DIRECTION, UM, THAT IS NEEDED. 
          AND SO I WOULD, UH, ALSO BE IN FAVOR OF PASSING ON THAT SIGN AS WELL TOO. 
          THANK YOU MR. WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO YOU, I I, I LIKE THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE. 
          I THINK IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO IDENTIFY THE TENANT SPACE, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THE PE THE, THE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THAT TENANT SPACE ARE NOT PARKING IN THE BUILDING. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S FOR RESIDENTS. 
          SO THEY'RE PARKING IN THE PARKING GARAGE ACROSS, SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE SIGNAL THAT YOU NEED TO GIVE THEM? YOU HAVE THE BLADE SIDE THAT ALREADY COMES OUT, THAT'S CLOSER TO THE DOORS THAT SAYS THAT, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU HAVE ON THE DOOR, YOU HAVE A LOGO. 
          AND I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND HAVING THIS BIG SIGN ON THAT, THAT CORNER, ESPECIALLY WHEN I, I BELIEVE WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO MAKE THAT CORNER LOOK REALLY NICE BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE A SERVICE PART OF THE BUILDING AND WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A SERVICE AREA. 
          SO I, AGAIN, I SUPPORT THE STAFF'S COMMENTS ABOUT ELIMINATING THAT SIGN, BUT I LIKE THE REST OF THE PACKAGE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WEY. 
          MR. SOUP, BLACK, UM, ADAM, RITA, SCOTT, THANK YOU. 
          ALWAYS, ALWAYS, UH, NICE TO HAVE PEOPLE SHARING. 
          UH, ADAM AND RITA, THIS IS, THIS IS A NICE PACKAGE. 
          KUDOS, YOU GUYS, UM, DO NICE WORK, RIGHT? THE SIGNS ARE, UM, MOSTLY, MOSTLY LOVELY, UH, MOSTLY RIGHT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE, RIGHT? RIGHT WHERE THE BUILDING WANTS THEM, RIGHT WHERE THE, THE CITY WANTS THEM. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY NICE PACKAGE. 
          UM, FOR THE BLADE SIGN IS REALLY GREAT. 
          UH, THE MONUMENT SIGN IS, IS LOVELY. 
          I ENTIRELY AGREE. 
          THREE IS WRONG. 
          UM, THE LOCATION'S NOT NECESSARILY WRONG, GENERALLY RIGHT OUT THERE ON THAT CORNER, BUT, BUT THE, THE CABINET IN GENERAL IS JUST LACKLUSTER. 
          UM, AND I, I'M GONNA CIRCLE BACK TO THAT ONE AND I'M, I AM GONNA, RARE. 
          IS IT GOING TO BE THE SITUATION WHERE I THINK, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S RARE. 
          WE DO ASK FOR MORE, QUITE A BIT , UH, BUT RARE IS, I'M SURE IN YOUR WORLD WHERE JURISDICTIONS ASK FOR MORE RELATIVE TO SIGN PACKAGES. 
          UM, THIS STRIKES ME AS A VERY, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S, IT'S A VERY, IT IS LITERALLY THE BRAND STAMP, STAMP STAMPED IN A VARIETY OF LOCATIONS, RIGHT? UM, THERE'S A FEW SIGNS AND NUMBER ONE, THE NUMBER ONE SIGN HIGH ON THE BUILDING, GOSH, THAT WANTS TO BE SO MUCH MORE, RIGHT? UM, THIS IS AS, AS MR. HOUNSHELL TOUCHED ON EARLY, WE ARE LOOKING FOR CREATIVITY AND UNIQUENESS IN THIS DISTRICT. 
          THAT SIGN IN PARTICULAR, GOSH, RIGHT ON THAT, ON THAT WALL, THERE'S A REALLY GRAND OPPORTUNITY TO BE DO SOMETHING MARVELOUS THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. 
          I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, PERMISSION GRANTED TO EX ENTERTAIN THAT I MIGHT ALSO OFFER THAT TWO, TWO IS AGREEABLE. 
          THAT'S THE ONE ABOVE THE, ABOVE THE CANOPY. 
          IT'S AGREEABLE, IT'S FINE. 
          UM, FAR LESS, YOU KNOW, FAR LESS THAN MAYBE NUMBER ONE ON THE, ON THE, UM, SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          BUT TWO COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WELL WITH REGARD TO NUMBER THREE. 
          AND EVEN IF WE ARE SAYING MORE, AND FORGIVE ME, I'M GRANTING POTENTIALLY LOTS OF PERMISSION TO RUN AT LOTS OF POTENTIAL OPTIONS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO GIVE FRIENDSHIP A PRESENCE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO HAVE 
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WAYFINDING OUT THERE. 
          UH, THE PANEL IS WRONG. 
          HAVING IT ON THE WALL IS WRONG. 
          BUT THERE IS LANDSCAPING IN THAT SPACE. 
          AND FORGIVE ME, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA REALLY QUICKLY, NOT THAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR THIS DESIGN IN PARTICULAR, UH, AS MUCH AS I'M OFFERING THE VISION OF SEEING IT AS SOMETHING FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT, AND I'M GOING TO, UM, I, I KNOW MULTIPLE CITIES DO THIS. 
          CLEVELAND HAS A SIGN THAT IS, THAT IS THE CLEVELAND, CLEVELAND SCRIPTY LANGUAGE, RIGHT? AND IT'S FLOATING AND IT'S IN CHOICE LOCATIONS WHERE YOU CAN STAND AND LOOK BACK AT THE CITY AND SEE A VISION OF THE CITY, RIGHT? UM, I, I'M GOING TO, BOY, FRIENDSHIP IS A REALLY GOOD WORD. 
          TURN IT VERTICALLY, PUT IT IN THAT GARDEN, HAVE IT COMING OUT. 
          HAVE IT GO, UH, MUCH TALLER THAN EVEN ONE STORY. 
          AND SUDDENLY YOU HAVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT. 
          YOU HAVE A VERY, VERY MEMORABLE PIECE. 
          IT'S NOT THIS FORGETTABLE CAN CABINET SIGN, YOU KNOW, STAMPED ONTO THE SIDE OF A THING, BUT YOU HAVE FRIENDSHIP COMING OUT OF THE GROUND. 
          IT'S A GREAT ASSET FOR THE CITY, RIGHT? UM, WE'D ALL, WE'D ALL KNOW IT. 
          SUDDENLY YOU GET TO SPEAK ABOUT IT IN A REALLY NICE WAY, EVEN IF I HATE TO SAY IT, EVEN IF FRIENDSHIP AT HOME, UH, MOVES ON, FRIENDSHIP BEING THERE IN THE SIGN AND RIGHT THIS GARDEN ISH, UM, UNIQUE SCULPTURAL PIECE COMING OUT OF THE GROUND IS A REALLY KIND OF NEAT THING. 
          AND IT DOES EVERYTHING, UH, EVERYTHING WE ALL WANT IT TO DO IN A, IN A, IN A REMARKABLE WAY. 
          AND SO THAT'S ME, THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR, RIGHT? I, I, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO THINK THAT WAY, UM, A LITTLE MORE ROBUSTLY AND SOLVE FOR THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, START TO THINK THAT WAY. 
          NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME DESIGN, BUT THINK MORE CREATIVELY ABOUT NUMBER ONE IN PARTICULAR. 
          UH, I THINK THERE'S A REALLY GRAND OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, THOSE TWO IN PARTICULAR, NOT JUST TO MAKE THEM THE EXACT STAMPED BRANDED THING, BUT START TO ACTIVATE THE BUILDING, ACTIVATE THE SIGN, ACTIVATE THE, THE ENTIRE DISTRICT IN A, IN A REALLY UNIQUE, UNIQUE WAY. 
          SO THAT'S, FORGIVE ME, I WENT A LITTLE BIT DEEP TO PLANT A PLANT, A LITTLE BIT OF A VISION, UM, THAT MAYBE I ACTIVATES CREATIVITY. 
          EVERYONE ALWAYS WANTS LICENSE AND PERMISSION TO GO DOWN SOME OF THOSE AT ADAM, YOU'RE NO, YOU'RE NO DIFFERENT. 
          UH, I, I HOPE I'M OFFERING THAT TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. AK, MR. FISHMAN. 
          MARK'S TOUGH TO FOLLOW, ISN'T . 
          I THINK IT'S AN OKAY , UH, SIGN PACKAGE. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          UH, I THINK MAYBE IF, IF, UH, UM, YOU COULD WORK ON IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          I, I, I HATE TO SEE SO MANY SIGNS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE PROLIFERATE SIGNS THREE WASN'T MY DREAM. 
          UM, I, I THINK YOU NEED TO GET PEOPLE THERE. 
          I THINK IT'S OKAY. 
          SO I, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT. 
          I, I THINK, LIKE MARK SAID, IT COULD BE A LOT MORE EXCITING AND, AND, AND, UH, BUT I, I'M OKAY WITH IT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. FISHMAN. 
          MR. SCHNEER. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO MANY SIGNS. 
          I ACTUALLY THINK THAT BRIDGE PARK IS AN AREA WHERE SIGNAGE IS PART OF THE ENERGY THAT'S CREATED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN YOUR GROUND SIGNS IN MEREFIELD AND TIMES SQUARE. 
          I WOULD LEAN MORE TOWARDS TIMES SQUARE AS IT APPLIES TO, TO BRIDGE PARK. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S TOO MANY SIGNS. 
          I, I'M FINE WITH SOME SIGNAGE FOR FRIENDSHIP, UM, IN THE CONTENTIOUS SPACE, BUT AGREE THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT SO BIFURCATE THAT, OKAY. 
          HAVING A SIGN THERE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THAT PARTICULAR SIGN, UM, OTHERWISE, UM, UM, IN FAVOR AND WOULD PROPOSE PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CONDITION BE THAT THE APPLICANT AND STAFF WORK TOGETHER ON, UH, ANOTHER SIGN FOR THAT AREA AS, AS OPPOSED TO NOT HAVING A SIGN AT ALL. 
          UH, SO TYING US OUT THIS EVENING, UH, UH, I THINK THE PACKAGE IS BEAUTIFUL. 
          I LIKE THE INCORPORATION OF THE LIGHT FILLERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DURING ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE, THE, THE APPROVAL PHASE. 
          I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB INCORPORATING THAT. 
          UM, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S CONDITION NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE REMOVAL OF THAT THREE SIGNS. 
          IF WE LOOK AT THAT AS A SINGLE TENANT ASKING FOR THREE SIGNS, ESPECIALLY WITH THEIR CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE. 
          BUT IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT AS A SINGLE APPLICANT IN THAT AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT, WE WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO SAY YES TO THREE SIGNS GIVEN THE CRITERIA OF THOSE THREE SIGNS. 
          SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AND ALL OF THE STAFF CONDITIONS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARTICULAR 
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ITEM. 
          SO WE, WE HEARD A COUPLE OF DIFFERING OPINIONS FROM THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING ON THIS APPLICATION. 
          WE HEARD FROM, UH, IT, IT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS TO, IT'S FINE. 
          WE SUPPORT THE CONDITIONS AS PROPOSED BY STAFF. 
          SO BEFORE WE GO TO MR. SNES, SUPPORTIVE OF SEVEN SIGNS, BUT CHANGE THE ONE BEFORE WE MOVE TO THAT. 
          WOULD, WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONDITIONS AS THEY'RE CURRENTLY STATED BY STAFF, WHICH ARE THE REMOVAL OF SIGN NUMBER THREE, THAT WEST FASCIA SIGN? COULD WE DO A PORT OF ORDER, UM, AND MAYBE JUST DO A STRAW VOTE OF RATHER, I THINK THE APPLICANT MIGHT BENEFIT FROM MORE FEEDBACK FROM US AND, AND BIFURCATE NOT FORMALLY, BUT INFORMALLY THE ONE CONDITION AND, AND SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THE, I'M READING TEA LEAVES AND SAYING GENERALLY, YEAH, GENERAL APPROVAL OF ALL THE SIGNS, BUT THE ONE, AND GET A STRAW VOTE AS TO WHETHER, IF I, IF I COULD PROPOSE, UH, MY ASKING THE QUESTION DIFFERENTLY, YOU HAD TIME TO REVIEW THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID? YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          OR WAS IT, UH, I STILL WANNA ASK THE COMMISSION FOR THE SEVEN. 
          IF YOU COULD TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, JUSTIN METZLER CRAWFORD HOEING, UM, 66, UH, 40, UH, RIVERSIDE DRIVE. 
          UM, WE, UH, WANTED TO REALLY GET SOME COMMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE COMMISSION, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH THAT SIGN THAT'S ON THAT TRANSFORMER SCREEN WALL, WE REALIZED THAT BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, IT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO, TO PLACE A SIGN FOR THE TENANT, FOR THE FRIENDSHIP AT HOME TENANT. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE FELT THAT WE REALLY ONLY HAD TWO SPOTS, YOU KNOW, TO PUT THAT. 
          AND ONE WAS OF COURSE RIGHT OVER THEIR ENTRY. 
          UM, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE MAIN ENTRY SIGN. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE OTHER ONE WAS ON THAT SCREEN WALL, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE HAVE IT SHOWN. 
          SO I THINK WE'D CERTAINLY WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST LOOKING, UM, AT, UM, MOVING FORWARD. 
          THE OTHER SIGNS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS ONE, AND THEN MAYBE WE GO BACK, WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SIGN WORK WITH STAFF, UM, MAYBE COME UP WITH SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, WITH WHAT MARK WAS KIND OF REFERRING TO. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME GOOD IDEAS. 
          WOULD YOU, AND QUICK QUESTION, SORRY TO INTERJECT, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN REASSESSING NUMBER ONE AS WELL? YEAH, YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT REASSESSING NUMBER ONE AS WELL. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO WITH, WITH THE SCOPE OF POTENTIAL CHANGES, I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS HERE. 
          UM, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE NUMBER THREE BACK, THE OPTION NUMBER ONE WOULD BE, UH, WE APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS THIS EVENING, AND IN A FUTURE STATE, YOU COULD BRING BACK AN AMENDED MASTER SIGN PLAN. 
          MM-HMM,  SURE. 
          CHOICE NUMBER TWO WOULD BE WE TABLE TONIGHT. 
          YOU GO BACK, WORK ON SIGNS, EITHER NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER ONE, OR JUST NUMBER THREE. 
          AND THEN YOU COME BACK WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION ON A FUTURE NIGHT. 
          AND THEN, MR. BOGGS, AM I MISSING A, A DIFFERENT OPTION? I HAVE A TABLE AND AN AMENDED. 
          THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WOULD COME TO MIND FOR ME. 
          NOW, AN AMENDED, A SUBMISSION FOR AN AMENDED PLAN WOULD BE A NEW, NEW APPLICATION AND NEW FEE COMMENSURATE WITH THAT. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO OR MOVING FORWARD AS, AS THE COMMISSION VOTES TONIGHT, BASED ON THE CONDITIONS AND THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION BASED ON FEELINGS ON THAT COM, THOSE CONDITIONS. 
          SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, SO IF WE GO FORWARD WITH, WAS IT OPTION TWO? IS THAT, IS, WAS THAT THE TABLE OPTION? MM-HMM. 
           TO WHERE WE COULD THEN JUST TABLE IT FOR TONIGHT, COME BACK, AND THEN PRESENT KIND OF A, A NEW PACK, WHICH PARTICULARLY LOOKING AT THOSE TWO SIGNS, CORRECT, WE COULD DO THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OPTION TWO, WE COULD DO THAT. 
          SO GIVEN THE, THE DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION AND THE, THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT TO TABLE TONIGHT, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MOTION TO TABLE. 
          MOTION TO ACCEPT A TABLE? NO, IT WOULD JUST BE A MOTION TO TABLE THE APPLICATION AT THE, UM, SO WITH 
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THE CONSENT OF THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE. 
          UH, I BELIEVE MY MARK JUST MADE A MOTION TO TABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SECOND? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I HAVE A FIRST AND I HAVE A SECOND. 
          MS. BEAL, MS. HARDER? YES. 
          MR. CHINOOK? YES. 
          MR. FISHMAN, YOUR, THERE WE GO. 
          YES. 
          MR. SNE A PROBLEM. 
          SHALL WAS A PROBLEM SOLVED? YES. 
          MS. CALL? YES. 
          MR. SOLA? YES. 
          MR. WE, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN. 
          AGAIN. 
          THIS IS A LOVELY PACKAGE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT ITS NEXT ITERATION LOOKS LIKE. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I KIND OF WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WHEN I SAID IT WAS OKAY WITH ME, THAT WAS, I ASSUMED THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE AGREEABLE WITH THE CONDITIONS. 
          THE CONDITIONS, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MS. BEAL, IF WE COULD GET THOSE IN THE MINUTES THAT MR. FISHMAN, WHEN HE SAID THAT HE WAS FINE WITH THE PACKAGE THIS EVENING, IT WAS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF INCORPORATING THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL BASED ON PLANNING'S REPORT. 
          ALRIGHT, LADIES 
          [Case #23-121CP]
AND GENTLEMEN, NEXT UP IS OUR CASE. 
          THREE. 
          UH, THIS IS CASE 23 1 21 CP. 
          THIS IS UPPER METRO PLACE MIXED USE BUILDING A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FIVE STORY MULTI-USE BUILDING CONSISTING OF 159 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, ROUGHLY 7,700 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, 231 PARKING SPACES AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THE TWO AND A HALF ACRE SITE IS ZONED BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT COMMERCIAL AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF UPPER METRO AND FRANCE ROAD. 
          WELCOME TO OUR APPLICANT. 
          I WILL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR CASE PRESENTATION, APPLICATION PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. 
          UM, I AM MARK CASTI, CASTI, STUDIO 2125 CI AVENUE, CINCINNATI, OHIO, 4 5 2 0 6. 
          UM, GO RIGHT TO THE SLIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT, UM, WE ACTUALLY PRESENTED THIS SAME PROJECT BACK THEN FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT. 
          IT WAS APPROVED. 
          AND DURING THE PROCESS OF, UH, MOVING FORWARD TO THE PRELIMINARY, UH, WE KIND OF STEPPED BACK ACTUALLY. 
          WE GOT ALL THE WAY TO SUBMITTING TO THE PRELIMINARY, UM, BUT HAD TO MAKE FURTHER DECISIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT RELATIVE TO FINANCING AND, AND OTHER ISSUES THAT CAUSED US TO SORT OF RETHINK THE PROJECT A BIT, UM, HOPEFULLY IN WHAT'S CONSIDERED A, A MINOR WAY, UH, FROM DUBLIN'S PERSPECTIVE. 
          BUT, UM, WE DID SOME THINGS THAT, UM, ALLOWED THE PROJECT TO BE A LITTLE MORE FEASIBLE. 
          UM, IT DID SOME THINGS THAT ACTUALLY ARE, I THINK, TO THE ADVANTAGE OF DUBLIN, UH, IN TERMS OF SOLVING MAYBE SOME, UH, INITIAL CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, UH, THE PROJECT IN TERMS OF ITS SIZE AND, UH, PARKING AND, AND OTHER ITEMS. UM, SO, UH, WE'VE RESUBMITTED, UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THE SLIDES WE, WE PRESENTED HERE, AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SEE AND RECOGNIZE, UH, THE SIMILARITIES TO THE PREVIOUS, UH, PRESENTATION, AND I'LL CATCH YOU UP ON, ON NUANCES OF THE DIFFERENCES. 
          OBVIOUSLY. 
          UM, THIS OBVIOUSLY IS JUST THAT VIEW RIGHT FROM UPPER METRO, UH, THE CORNER OF UPPER METRO AND FRAN ROAD, UH, SORT OF OUR GATEWAY VIEWPOINT, UH, OF THE PROJECT. 
          THE WHOLE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO SORT OF SPILL OUT THIS PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, UH, THAT SORT OF IS TUCKED INTO THE COURTYARD OF THE BUILDING AND LET IT SPILL OUT INTO THE, UH, INTO THAT FRONT CORNER. 
          AND I'LL JUST MOVE FORWARD, I THINK, OH, THERE WE GO. 
          UM, IN PLAN, WE'RE DOWN TO 159 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          THIS IS, AGAIN, THE SAME MIXED USE PROJECT THAT WE PRESENTED BEFORE. 
          UH, SAME FORM. 
          UH, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE DID WAS REDUCE THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING. 
          ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES WE HAD, UH, FROM THE PREVIOUS DESIGN WAS, UH, THE, UH, 
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EXISTING UNDERGROUND UTILITY THAT BISECTS THE SITE. 
          UH, IT OCCURS JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE BUILDING THERE JUST TO THE WEST OF THE BUILDING AND RUNS RIGHT THROUGH, UH, THE SITE. 
          UM, IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION, WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO RELOCATE THAT, UH, STORM, UM, UTILITY. 
          AND, UH, THAT CERTAINLY IS A BIT COST PER PROHIBITIVE. 
          AND, UH, AND WE FELT THAT IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, UH, THAT KEPT THAT IN PLACE, WE SAVED THE HEADACHE OF A, A COST THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE REALIZED, UH, IN THE QUALITY OF THE PROJECT AND, UH, MADE THE ENGINEERS FEEL A LITTLE BETTER ABOUT IT AS WELL. 
          UM, WE HAVE, AS I SAID, 159 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          WE DROPPED THAT FROM 175. 
          WE RAISED THE BUILDING TO FIVE LEVELS. 
          UH, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS A FOUR LEVEL DESIGN. 
          UM, THE ADDING OF THE FIFTH LEVEL ALLOWED US TO KEEP AT LEAST A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THE UNITS WITHIN THE SMALLER FOOTPRINT, BUT STILL MAINTAINED THE SAME VIBE, UH, AND CONCEPT THAT WE HAD, UH, EARLIER ILLUSTRATED, UM, PARTICULARLY RELATIVE TO THE OPEN SPACE USES AROUND THE BUILDING, UM, WHICH WERE REALLY THE MOST DOMINANT IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN, UM, CONSISTENTLY. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE 159 UNITS. 
          WE HAVE, UH, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS 227 PARKING SPOTS. 
          UH, THIS INCLUDES PARKING FOR A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT IN THE CORNER OF, UH, FACING FRANZ ROAD. 
          THE IDEA BEING THAT, UH, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THIS IDEA, BUT, UH, COMMERCIAL SPACES ON THE GROUND LEVEL FACING FRANZ ROAD, THE SHOPPING CORRIDOR, UH, AND THEN PULLING BACK AND IT BECOMES ALL RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, AS YOU MOVE, UH, UH, WEST ON UPPER METRO PLACE, AGAIN, CREATING SORT OF THIS IDEA OF TWO SEPARATE LOOKING BUILDINGS THAT ARE TIED TOGETHER WITH A LINK, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH SOME MORE OF THESE SHOTS. 
          UM, YOU CAN ALSO START TO SEE THAT THE INTENT IS THAT WE DO THIS IN TWO PHASES. 
          UM, PHASE ONE IS OBVIOUSLY THE PRIMARY USE OF THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, UM, AND THE COMMERCIAL SPACES FACING FRANZ ROAD. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE ALL THE OPEN SPACE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY IN, UH, FUTURE PHASE TWO, DOING A BOUTIQUE OFFICE, UH, TWO LEVEL OCCURRING ON THAT WEST SIDE OF THE UTILITY LINE AS A SEPARATE BUILDING. 
          UH, WE FELT, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED, UH, THAT SORT OF IDEA, UH, TO MAINTAIN THAT CONSISTENT LINE OF BUILDING ALONG UPPER METRO PLACE, UM, AND MAINTAIN THAT SAME NOTION THAT WE HAD IN THE, UH, FIRST SCHEME THAT WE HAD DONE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE, WE STILL MAINTAIN THE SAME CONCEPT OF THIS ART WALK, YOU KNOW, THIS ART CRAWL THAT WE'VE ALWAYS, UM, RECOMMENDED AND SUGGESTED RUNNING ALONG UPPER METRO PLACE, SORT OF MOVING THROUGH THAT AS A PUBLIC SPACE. 
          UM, IN THIS CASE, WE'RE ALSO CREATING A SCREEN WALL FOR THAT SURFACE PARKING THAT EXISTS, UM, ADJACENT TO THAT PUBLIC PARK. 
          UH, AND THAT SCREEN WALL CAN BE USED OSOS AN ADDITIONAL, UM, ART PIECE, UH, BY THE LOCAL ART COMMUNITY. 
          AGAIN, THE IDEA IS THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE SCULPTURES THROUGHOUT THIS, UH, ZONE, AND ALSO ALLOW THAT SAME SCREEN WALL TO BE USED FOR ART AS WELL. 
          ONE OF THE OTHER BIG STEPS WE TOOK WITH THIS THAT I THINK WAS, UH, CONSIDERED A POSITIVE IS WE ACTUALLY LOWERED THE PLATFORM THAT THIS BUILDING SAT ON. 
          UM, YOU MAY RECALL IT SAT ON A THREE FOOT PLINTH OF A, OF A PUBLIC SPACE. 
          UM, AND FROM THIS CORNER VIEW, THERE WAS, UH, STEPS OF GOING UP TO THAT TH YOU KNOW, THAT THREE FOOT PLATFORM, WHICH SEEMED MAYBE A LITTLE, UH, INTIMIDATING FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          UH, WE'VE LOWERED THAT DOWN TO JUST A FOOT AND A HALF, UM, UH, AT THE CORNER THAT ALSO INCREASES THE HEIGHT OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACES THAT RUN ALONG, 
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UH, FRANZ ROAD. 
          SO WE'RE GAINING HEIGHT IN THE COMMERCIAL SPACES. 
          IT JUMPS BACK UP TO THE THREE FOOT MARK AS WE GET INTO THE RESIDENTIAL SPACE. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL DYNAMIC OF THE PUBLIC SPACE IN, IN TERMS OF DIFFERENT HEIGHTS. 
          UM, THIS IS THAT OTHER BUILDING FACING UPPER METRO. 
          THIS IS WHERE THAT PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL ENTRANCE OCCURS, UM, AWAY FROM FRANZ ROAD. 
          UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME CONCEPT THAT WE HAD BEFORE. 
          AND THIS IS A VIEW SHOWING THAT SORT OF END OF THE ART WALK WITH THE, UH, SPECIAL WALL WE'D LIKE TO CREATE, UM, AGAIN, TO BLOCK SURFACE PARKING THAT'S OCCURRING ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE, UM, FROM THE PARK, BUT ALSO GIVE IT AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING INTERESTING. 
          UH, IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER, YOU CAN SEE WHEN PHASE TWO COMES ON BOARD, UH, THE POTENTIAL VOLUME OR MASSING THAT WOULD OCCUR, UM, AS THAT SPACE IS TAKEN OVER BY THAT BUILDING VIEW FROM THE INTERIOR, FROM THE TENANT'S PERSPECTIVE, THE, UH, THE RESIDENT'S PERSPECTIVE FROM THEIR AMENITY, LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE, UH, RESTAURANT, UH, TOWARDS, UH, FRANZ ROAD, AND OF COURSE OUR, OUR GOOGLE MAP VIEW THAT SHOWS IT RELATIVE TO THE CONTEXT AROUND IT. 
          UM, OUR, UH, HOTEL BY THE SAME OWNERS, UH, TO THE WEST OF THE BUILDING, UH, SORT OF CARRIES THAT LINE ACROSS, UH, UPPER METRO, UH, FROM A MASSING STANDPOINT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE DIAGRAMS THAT SORT OF INDICATE, UH, UH, THE VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS OF, OF, UH, ZONING, UH, UH, OF THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, UM, INCLUDING THE OPEN SPACE NOW THAT WE'VE REDUCED THE, UH, UNIT COUNT. 
          UM, OUR OPEN SPACE HAD ALWAYS SORT OF MET THE REQUIREMENT IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT WE WERE ALWAYS A LITTLE QUESTIONED ABOUT WHERE THAT OPEN SPACE OCCURRED AND THE TYPE OF OPEN SPACE IT COULD BE. 
          UH, IN THIS CURRENT SCENARIO NOW, WE'VE KIND OF RESOLVED THAT PRETTY WELL, UM, IN MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THE OPEN SPACE IS VERY CLEARLY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND WE DON'T SORT OF CHEAT, I GUESS, IN A WAY OF HAVING SOME SPACES THAT ARE TUCKED AWAY AND, AND, UH, LESS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UH, SO THE GREEN ZONE REPRESENTS WHAT IS THEORETICALLY PUBLIC SPACE. 
          THE BLUE ZONE IS PURELY, UH, RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE, UH, BUT IT DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS THAT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, AND WE KEEP, IT'S EVERYTHING WITHIN OUR PROPERTY LINES. 
          UH, HERE'S A GENERAL SENSE OF THE TYPES OF ZONES, UH, THAT YOUR CODE, UM, SUGGESTS. 
          AND WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF, UH, AS WE DEVELOP IT FARTHER TO, UH, ENSURE THAT THOSE MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, SAME DIAGRAM AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST WITH THE, UH, UH, FIRETRUCK ACCESS, SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, DISCUSSED, UH, WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL. 
          AND, UM, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THAT CONCEPT AT ALL. 
          THESE ARE JUST IMAGES THAT HELPED US GENERATE SOME IDEAS ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE, THE LANDSCAPE. 
          I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THESE BEFORE. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE WE GET INTO, SO THE MORE SERIOUS DOCUMENTATION, THIS IS WHAT ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES WE MADE IN HAVING PUSHED BACK THE, UH, FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, WE MAINTAINED THE SAME NUMBER OF PARKING UNDERGROUND, SO WE HAD TO EXPAND THAT GARAGE NORTHWARD, UH, TO MAKE THAT WORK. 
          BUT WE GET 133 SPACES BELOW GRADE, JUST A SUMMARY OF THE UNITS, THE MIX, ONE BEDROOM AND TWO BEDROOM. 
          WE INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TWO BEDROOMS IN THIS SCHEME, UH, JUST TO GET A BETTER BALANCE AND THE UPPER LEVELS. 
          AND, UH, I GUESS I'LL PASS IT OVER TO CHRIS IF, IF YOU WANNA SHOW THAT, UM, CLIP, IT'S A MINUTE LONG, UH, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT IF YOU CAN. 
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AND THIS IS JUST A VERY ROUGH WALKTHROUGH OF THE 3D MODEL, AND IT'S JUST A SIMPLE SKETCHUP MODEL. 
          SO IT'S MEANT TO BE ROUGH, PARTICULARLY AT THIS STAGE, BUT IT DOES GET YOU SORT OF INSIDE A BIT. 
          UM, SO YOU GET SORT OF A SENSE OF THE SPACE, WHICH I THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN JUST THE, UH, FAR AWAY BIRD'S EYE VIEWS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATED POOL, THE AMENITY, UH, SORT OF KEEPS IT SEPARATE FROM THE PUBLIC SPACE BELOW A LITTLE BIT OF PRIVACY, THE IDEA OF USING STONE WALLS THAT EXIST, UM, ALONG THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, REUSE THEM WITHIN THE PROJECT, A SENSE OF SUN, WHICH IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT AS WELL. 
          UM, AND WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL PASS IT ON TO CHRIS OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WE'LL DO QUESTIONS TOGETHER ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. 
          MR. WILL THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, AS THE CHAIR NOTED, THIS SITE IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF FRANCE ROAD AND UPPER METRO WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET. 
          DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT IS A THREE STEP PROCESS. 
          THIS IS AT THE CONCEPT PLAN, UNLIKE THE FIRST CASES, UM, THIS EVENING, CONCEPT PLANS AND THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT DO REQUIRE DETERMINATION BY THE COMMISSION. 
          BUT THE, UH, POINT OF THE CONCEPT PLAN IS TO LOOK AT THE FRAMEWORKS, THE BUILDING BLOCKS OF EACH DEVELOPMENT AND THE PDP AND UM, FDP STAGES. 
          THOSE LANDSCAPE, UM, AND BUILDING AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS COME ONLINE. 
          UM, THOUGH THIS PROJECT IS REVIEWED WITH THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE, IT IS IN AN AREA, UM, WHERE THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT PLAN OR BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT AND DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLANS BOTH APPLY. 
          SO WE LOOK AT BOTH OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THOSE PLANS WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THEM. 
          AND THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT ENCOURAGES A WAGGLE MIX OF MIX OF USES IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT AND IN THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA. 
          IT ENCOURAGES AMENITIES FOR WORKERS, HOTEL VISITORS, AND RES RESIDENTS ALIKE, AS WELL AS OPEN SPACES AND FOCAL POINTS THAT CREATE USABLE AMENITY SPACE. 
          UM, AND THEN SUPPORT INFO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AT KEY LOCATIONS TO SUPPORT OFFICE. 
          UM, AS THE APPLICANT NOTED IN THE COMMISSION, COMMISSION MAY RECALL THE CASE FIRST, UM, CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION BACK IN JULY, 2021 AS AN INFORMAL AND MADE, MADE ANOTHER VISIT BACK TO THE COMMISSION IN FEBRUARY 22. 
          THE MOST RECENT IN JULY 22 WAS FOR A FORMAL CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE FOUR STORY MIXED USE BUILDING AND THE 175 UNITS THAT THE APPLICANT DESCRIBED. 
          THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID APPROVE THAT CONCEPT PLAN WITH TWO CONDITIONS, ONE AROUND OPEN SPACE AND ANOTHER AROUND ON STREET PARKING. 
          UM, NOT TO REHASH TOO MUCH, THIS IS THE, UM, PRIOR CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, HERE IS THE REVISED, UM, CONCEPT PLAN BEFORE THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, TONIGHT YOU CAN NOTICE THE MAIN DIFFERENCE ON THE WESTERN PIECE OF THE PROPERTY AS THE APPLICANT WALKED THROUGH. 
          UM, I'LL PROVIDE A FEW SLIDES WHICH JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT THE, UM, COMMISSION APPROVED PRIOR AND THEN WHAT IS BEING, WHAT IS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION TONIGHT. 
          UM, HERE'S A VIEW FROM FRANCE AND UPPER METRO INTERSECTION. 
          THE LEFT IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SHOWING THE FOUR STORY LONGER BUILDING ALONG FRAN OR UPPER METRO RATHER. 
          AND THEN, UM, TO THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN TONIGHT, FIVE STORIES, UM, WITH A PIECE, UH, A SMALLER PIECE CUTOFF BETWEEN, UM, THE BU, OUR APARTMENT BUILDING, MIXED USE BUILDING AND THE HOTEL. 
          AND THEN SIMILARLY, TWO IS A KINDA MASSING OF THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT. 
          ON THE LEFT IS THE FOUR STORY BUILDING, AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, WHICH IS FIVE STORY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE EIGHT STORY EMBASSY SUITES, UM, THE ADJACENT FIVE STORY TOWN, UM, HOTEL, AND THEN THE HOME TWO FOUR STORY ACROSS. 
          SO CONSISTENT WITH THE MASSING AND SCALE OF THE BUILDING SURROUNDING IT, AS THE APPLICANT NOTED, THEY'RE PROVIDING A VARIETY OF OPEN SPACES. 
          THE CODE 
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DOES MAKE PROVISIONS FOR BOTH QUANTITY AND CHARACTERISTICS OF OPEN SPACE. 
          UM, THE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE FOR THIS IS 32,000 ROUGHLY, UM, SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT. 
          UM, THEY HAVE BEEN MINDFUL ABOUT CREATING PURPOSEFUL, MEANINGFUL OPEN SPACE AND ACTIVATING THE STREET, WHICH IS BOTH ALIGNING WITH THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT AND DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN. 
          UM, STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED THOUGH THE, UM, AREAS LABELED AS POCKET PLAZAS. 
          THE WAY THEY ARE CURRENTLY ILLUSTRATED IS THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY NOT, UH, MEET THE CHARACTERISTICS OR PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE PIECES OF THE CODE, UM, KINDA SHOWN HERE OR HIGHLIGHTED AGAIN IN RED, UM, ALONG FRANCE ROAD AS ILLUSTRATED. 
          THESE ARE MAYBE MORE AKIN TO THE PATIOS YOU SEE OUTSIDE OF RIVERSIDE DRIVE, UM, WITH RESTAURANTS AND BRIDGE PARK. 
          THESE ARE GREAT SPACES, BUT WE CONSIDER THESE PRIVATE AMENITY SPACE. 
          SO, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THESE, UM, SPACES DO MEET, UH, THIS AND THEN OTHER SPACES, OPEN SPACES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE. 
          MOVING FORWARD. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 209 OFF STREET SPACES, 200, 227 TOTAL, INCLUDING THE OFF STREET, UM, ALONG UPPER METRO. 
          UPPER METRO CURRENTLY DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT'S, UH, STREET SCAPE GUIDELINES. 
          THEIR PROPOSED RETROFIT OF UPPER METRO WOULD BRING THAT MORE IN LINE WITH THE VISION OF BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT. 
          WITH THAT STAFF REVIEWED THE CONCEPT PLAN AGAINST THE REVIEW CRITERIA AND THE PROPOSAL MEETS OR MEETS WITH CONDITION. 
          THESE CRITERIA STAFF IS WRECKING APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE PRO STAFF, OR SORRY, THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF, UM, FOR PROPOSED ON STREET PARKING AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO ENSURE SITE OPEN SPACES MEET THE QUANTITY, ACCESSIBILITY AND TYPE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE, WHICH ARE SIMILAR TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WITH THE PRIOR CONCEPT PLAN APPROVAL. 
          WITH THAT, THANK YOU. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. WILL, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR EITHER THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME, MR. AK? MR. WILL I, UM, AND MAYBE THIS IS AN ENGINEERING QUESTION, WHICH I, I SEE WE'RE NOT, UM, COVERED THERE. 
          I'M GOING TO THE PARKING, SO LET'S JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION ON, I'M GOING TO THE STREET PARKING. 
          WOULD WE CONSIDER, AND I I FEEL LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE, UH, SCRATCHED AT THE SURFACE PREVIOUSLY, WOULD WE CONSIDER ANGLED EITHER NOSE IN OR BACKEND PARKING ALONG UPPER METRO PLACE? THE BRIDGE, STREETE, DISTRICT STREET SCAPE DESIGN GUIDELINES CALL FOR PARALLEL PARKING, UM, IN THE CHARACTER THAT PROVIDES. 
          SO THAT HAS NOT BEEN CONTEMPLATED PRIOR AND IT'S NOT IN OUR GUIDELINES, UM, PRESENTLY. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. SCHNEER? UM, THE APPLICANT HAS REVIEWED THE CONDITIONS. 
          WHAT'S, ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          MR. CHINO, QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THE UNDERGROUND PARKING. 
          WHAT IS IT, IS IT ENTIRELY SUBGRADE OR LIKE, WHAT'S THE ELEVATION OF THOSE FIRST FLOOR RESIDENTS? ARE THEY UP A LITTLE HIGHER? IS THERE ANY VISIBILITY OF THAT UNDERGROUND PARKING? NO. 
          THEY, IT IS ENTIRELY, UH, ENTIRELY CONCEALED, BUT THERE IS A THREE FOOT ELEVATED CONDITION AT THE BUILDING WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE JUST TO GIVE THEM A, A, A BIT OF DISTANCE, UH, FROM THE GROUND. 
          BUT IT IS, UM, OPAQUE AND CLOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. WAY? SO, SO I THINK THIS IS RELATED TO THAT QUESTION. 
          SO YOU, YOU'VE LOWERED THE CORNER PLAZA A A FOOT AND A HALF. 
          YES. 
          SO, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME PARKING GARAGE CONDITION THAT YOU DO WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, IS THAT RIGHT? SO IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED, BUT IF YOU GO TO THAT, UH, GARAGE SLIDE TOWARDS THE END, WE ACTUALLY ALSO INTERNALLY RAMP INSIDE THE GARAGE, SO TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT DROP THAT OCCURS, UH, IN THE PLAZA. 
          SO THE ORIGINAL, THE, UH, INITIAL RAMP, WHICH YOU SEE THERE, THE BOTTOM LEFT, WHICH COMES OUT OF THAT SURFACE PARKING AREA, GOES DOWN, UM, SEVEN FEET, OF WHICH THE RESIDENTIAL IS THREE FEET ABOVE THAT. 
          SO THAT GIVES US A 10 FOOT FLOOR TO FLOOR CONDITION FOR THE GARAGE, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED. 
          AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO RAMP DOWN. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THE ARROW THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT GARAGE RIGHT THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, WE CONTINUE TO WRAP DOWN MULTIPLE FEET MORE, IN FACT, CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN ONE AND A HALF FEET BECAUSE WE WANT TO 
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HAVE A CON UH, A SIZABLE, UM, TOPPING, UH, OF THE GARAGE TO ALLOW FOR LANDSCAPE AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE OCCURRING ON THAT PLAZA. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE ALSO WANT TO GET UNDERNEATH THE POOL, WHICH IS SITTING, UH, IN THAT DASH LINE AREA, THE UPPER LEFT SIDE THERE. 
          SO, UM, AND THAT'S A FIVE FOOT DEEP POOL. 
          SO WE, WE DO GO DOWN, UH, CONSIDERABLY MORE IN THAT, UH, UH, GARAGE SECTION TO GET AROUND THERE. 
          AND IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP THE CORNER UP AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE OTHER TERRACE, YOU COULD YOU JUST PROVIDING A COVER? SURE, SURE. 
          WE CERTAINLY COULD. 
          UM, THE, THE BENEFIT OF DOING THIS WAS THE, THE ADVANTAGE WAS NOT A , IT'S NO COST ADVANTAGE TO IT. 
          IT'S, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO THIS. 
          UM, BUT IT ADDED HEIGHT TO THE COMMERCIAL SPACES, THEIR, UH, THEIR INTERNAL, UH, CEILING HEIGHTS. 
          SO WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM HIGHER, UH, CONDITIONS. 
          I, I, I KIND OF LIKED THE LAST CONCEPT WHERE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THREE FEET DIFFERENT THAN A FOOT AND A HALF, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. 
          AND IT WAS, IT JUST FELT LIKE IT'S PULLING IT UP ABOVE THE STREET AND MAKING IT A AND WHEN YOU'RE DOWN TO JUST A FOOT AND A HALF, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, WELL, IT'S ALMOST, YOU'RE ALMOST AT GRADE, SO JUST KEEP IT FLAT. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE TO GET THE COVER, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY CAN DO IT. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT WAS, UH, THERE WAS A SUGGESTION OF CONCERN OF HOW HIGH IT WAS  AND THE FIRST TIME. 
          SO, UH, WE, WE, UH, SORT OF WAS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO HELP OUT AS YOU, AS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, A CONSTANT KIND OF STRUGGLE IN THE DESIGN WORLD OF . 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU'RE, IT, IT IS, IT'S A, IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE A COUPLE FEET MAKES YOU JUST, IT MAKES IT FEEL DIFFERENT. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          SO NOW WE'RE ALMOST AT STREET LEVEL, AND SO IS THAT ENOUGH OF A DIFFERENCE? BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          SO IT IS SET BACK PRETTY FAR FROM THE STREET TOO. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT I COULD GO EITHER WAY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          UM, FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I'M, I'M OFFERING YOU MY OBSERVATION THAT IT FELT, IT FELT MORE SPECIAL WHEN IT WAS ELEVATED UP A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOVE THE STREET, SEPARATING IT FROM THE STREET AND THE SIDEWALK AND MAKING THAT KIND OF A SPECIAL PLACE RELATED TO THE BUSINESS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           INSIDE AND, AND, AND PUT, SO I THINK IT'S JUST A DESIGN ISSUE THAT WILL NEED TO BE WORKED THROUGH. 
          I WANT TO TRADE OFF THAT SCENARIO VERSUS MAKING THE, UH, COMMERCIAL SPACES FEEL MORE, UH, VIABLE FOR THE TENANTS, THE RESTAURANT IN PARTICULAR, TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? SORRY, MR. CHINO. 
          SORRY, I FORGOT ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION. 
          CAN YOU, UM, THE, THIS PEDESTRIAN OR THE, THE, THE BRIDGE I GUESS, THAT CONNECTS THE TWO BUILDINGS, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT SPACE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER? WHAT IS THAT? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT SELL. 
          SO IT'S ACTUALLY A SINGLE LOADED, UH, CORRIDOR BASICALLY BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IF YOU GO, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO ANY ONE OF THOSE PERSPECTIVE VIEWS, UM, SO WE HAVE, IT'S SORT OF ALL GLASS FACING INTO THE COURTYARD, AND THEN THERE'S UNITS FACING, UH, TO THE WEST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OH, THERE ARE UNITS IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          UH, FROM FLOOR TWO THROUGH FIVE. 
          GOT IT. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. WE, MR. WILL, GOING BACK TO THE, UH, STREET SCAPE, SO THIS WOULD FOLLOW THE BRI THE BRIDGE STREET CODE IN TERMS OF STREET SCAPE AND THE WAY THAT TREES WOULD BE PLACED ALONG IT. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YEP. 
          SO THIS IS A N NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, SO IT WOULD FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES FOR THAT STREET FAMILY TYPE. 
          SO ON STREET PARKING SIDEWALKS, STREET TREES, UM, AMENITIES, SO STREET TREES AND PLANTERS ALONG THE CURB. 
          I'M UNSURE EXACTLY WHAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE. 
          AND SOMETIMES THEY DO VARY TO, UM, JUST THAT CERTAIN AMENITIES ARE PROVIDED LIKE STREET TREES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ON STREET PARKING. 
          SO THIS ISN'T SHOWING STREET TREES RIGHT NOW, SO AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE STREET TREES IN SOME FORM OR FASHION FOLLOWING THE, THE CODE, IS THAT CORRECT? AGREED. 
          AND THEN WORKING WITH STAFF, TRANSPORTATION, MOBILITY AND ENGINEERING TO ENSURE THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE FOLLOWED, UM, IN THEIR IMPLEMENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND OH, AND IF I COULD ADD JUST, JUST, JUST A MINUTE. 
          SO STAFF, ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ZONING, SO THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT COMMERCIAL IS ITS CURRENT ZONING. 
          CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND WHEN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE WAS PASSED? THERE IS SOME DOCUMENTATION, THERE'S SOME NOTES WITHIN THE CODE THAT SAYS THAT BRIDGE STREET COMMERCIAL WAS KIND OF THE CATCHALL AND THOSE TYPES OF PARCELS THAT WERE ZONED BST COMMERCIAL COULD THEN BE COME SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND THE ONE THAT IS CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY IS BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT VERTICAL. 
          WAS THERE VISION BEHIND THAT? WAS, 
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WAS THERE, HEY, YOU KNOW, BSD HAS KIND OF THIS FLUID, BUT WE ANTICIPATE A, A REZONE WITH THESE PARCELS. 
          WE JUST DON'T WANNA MAKE THEM PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING RIGHT NOW. 
          THE VERTICAL MIXED USE, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO THE VERTICAL MIXED USE WAS INCLUDED IN THE CODE TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY WHERE THAT FELT APPROPRIATE. 
          SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT. 
          WE HAVE A NUMBER OF BRIDGE STREET COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT DON'T HAVE THAT VERTICAL MIXED USE COMPONENT. 
          UM, IT REALLY WAS TO PROVIDE MAXIMUM, TO YOUR POINT, MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY, UM, TO ALLOW FOR A VARIETY OF USES WITHIN THE BUILDING TO GET GREATER HEIGHT IF THAT HELPED ACCOMPLISH THIS. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALRIGHT. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, WE INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? UH, NICOLE SALVA, 3 3 6 PUEBLO CREEK DRIVE. 
          SO I GUESS I HAVE A, A FEW CONCERNS AGAIN, WE, I LIVE CLOSE BY TO ALL THESE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UM, I GUESS I'M CURIOUS AS TO IF THERE WAS LIKE A MARKET STUDY DONE TO DETERMINE THE DESIRE TO LIVE IN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS THAT IS SURROUNDED ESSENTIALLY BY HOTELS. 
          UM, I, I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF I PERSONALLY WANNA LIVE ANYWHERE LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND NOW I I'VE JUST DISCOVERED THE GREEN AREA IS PUBLIC USE, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT ALSO AS A RESIDENT THAT WOULD LIVE THERE, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          WOULD YOU WANNA SHARE YOUR SMALL GREEN, EXCUSE ME, SMALL GREEN SPACE WITH HOTEL RESIDENTS THAT ARE TEMPORARILY STAYING AND MAYBE SOME RESIDENTS THAT COME BY? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A SMALL GREEN SPACE FOR IT TO BE PUBLIC WITH ALL THE UNITS THAT ARE PROPOSED. 
          UH, I PERSONALLY DON'T BELIEVE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDINGS REALLY FIT IN WITH THE AREA. 
          UH, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE A LOT OF HOTELS THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, COMING BY, I KNOW THE EMBASSY IS EIGHT STORIES. 
          UM, THE HOME TWO STAY, I THINK IS FOUR. 
          SO YOU'RE COMING AROUND AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THESE FIVE STORIES. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT FITS IN WITH THE AREA. 
          IT'S JUST GONNA BE A LOT. 
          UM, IT'S VERY BIG, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN THAT SMALL SPACE, SO IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING. 
          UM, AND I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS IS IT'S AT A AWKWARD LOCATION. 
          SO COMING IN, YOU KNOW, GETTING TO THE HOTELS TO BEGIN WITH, IF YOU'RE COMING OFF 1 61, YOU CAN ONLY TURN RIGHT IN THERE. 
          UM, WHEN YOU'RE LEAVING, YOU CAN ONLY TURN RIGHT BACK ONTO FRANCE. 
          SO I, THERE'S NO EASY WAY TO, TO GET THERE, I GUESS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA CREATE MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH CORBIN'S MILLS, MAYBE ESSENTIALLY AFTER ALL THESE OTHER ROADS ARE CONNECTED AS METRO PLACE DEVELOPS, IF THAT WILL BRING MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AN AWKWARD LOCATION FOR WHAT, 159 UNITS WITH THAT, WITH ALL THOSE EXTRA VEHICLES. 
          UM, AND ALSO TOO, I MEAN, JUST WITH THE ASHLAND PROPOSAL AND NOW THIS ONE, UM, I DON'T THINK MY TIMER STARTED, SO I'LL FINISH HERE. 
          UM, THAT'S 489 UNITS THAT WE HEARD OF TODAY IN THIS AREA THAT AGAIN, SURROUNDS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE ARE OPEN TO CHANGE, BUT IT JUST, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT. 
          UM, AND I JUST WISH THAT THERE WAS A MORE CONCRETE PLAN WITH THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO MAYBE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT SOLID PLAN AND WE'RE MEETING THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS AND DESIRES. 
          UM, 'CAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD WANNA GO TO A, A PUBLIC GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND LIKE SEE PEOPLE IN THE POOL LIKE RIGHT OFF THE GREEN SPACE. 
          SO IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE, UM, CHOPPY OR IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT IN, IN MY OPINION. 
          SO THANK YOU NICOLE. 
          HI, MY NAME'S WENDY EDWARDS. 
          I LIVE AT 3 4 5 MONTEREY DRIVE IN WATERFORD VILLAGE. 
          UM, YOU CAN TELL ME IF I AM OUTTA LINE, BUT FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU ALL. 
          YOU PUT IN AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF TIME AND YOU OBVIOUSLY ALL CARE ABOUT DUBLIN VERY MUCH, AND I'M VERY 
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APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. 
          MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED HERE 30 YEARS. 
          WE'VE LIVED IN WATERFORD VILLAGE FOR 30 YEARS. 
          AND, UM, I'VE SAID I, I WOULDN'T WANNA LIVE ANYPLACE ELSE, BUT I DO WANT THE COUNCIL TO REALIZE AND CONSIDER, AS NICOLE SAID, YOU ARE BRINGING IN POTENTIALLY A LOT OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CONGESTION, JUST PEOPLE IN GENERAL, THESE TWO AREAS THAT WERE DISCUSSED TONIGHT, AND THE OTHER ONE AT THE OTHER END OF OUR STREET. 
          THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I CAN'T EVEN GET OUT OF MY DEVELOPMENT AT PRIMETIME TRAFFIC, LET'S SAY FOUR 30 TO SIX O'CLOCK. 
          I MEAN, I DO EVENTUALLY, BUT IF NONE OF YOU LIVE IN WATERFORD, I THINKING THAT PERHAPS YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH THIS IS ALL GOING TO IMPACT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND SO AS YOU DO YOUR TRAFFIC STUDIES AND AS YOU CONSIDER THESE THINGS FURTHER, YES, WE'RE JUST ONE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT THERE, BUT I DON'T WANNA WISH I DON'T LIVE THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, WENDY. 
          HELLO. 
          UM, I DID NOT SWEAR IN EARLIER BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK I'D BE SAYING ANYTHING, BUT I SWEAR THIS WILL BE, DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. 
          AND YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE COMMISSION? YES, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          MY NAME IS JAMES CLARENCE BORDERS AND I LIVE AT 3 0 6 MONTEREY DRIVE. 
          AND I GUESS I'M STRUCK BY THE NATURE OF THIS IN THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT STARTS OFF AS OVERKILL AND THESE DEVELOPERS CAN ACT LIKE THEY'RE NEGOTIATING AND SETTLE ON SOMETHING THAT IS STILL PREPOSTEROUS TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I HAVE ALL THE SAME CONCERNS THAT MY NEIGHBORS DO. 
          UM, I WITH, WITH THIS LAST PROPOSAL WELL DONE. 
          BUT I REALLY THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN FRANZ AND LOOKING AT A FIVE STORY JUST MONOLITH COMING SO CLOSE, AND IT IS MORE CLOSE THAN I THINK YOU ALL THINK TO FRANZ ROAD, THAT IS GONNA BE A DAUNTING BRICK. 
          I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT PUBLIC SPACES OR PARKS AND THOROUGHFARES, THEY'RE NOT CUTOUTS OF A HOTEL PROPERTY THAT IS NOT A PUBLIC SPACE. 
          YOU WOULD NEVER TAKE YOUR FAMILY TO GO SIT IN THE, THE LAWN OF A HOLIDAY INN. 
          YOU WOULDN'T. 
          AND AGAIN, THE POINT THAT WENDY MADE, YOU ALL ARE OBSESSED ABOUT PARKING. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THAT'S HUGE. 
          IT'S, IT SHOWS SOME FORETHOUGHT, BUT WE'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND IT JUST SEEMS DAUNTING AND A BIT MUCH, AND IT'S, IT'S LIKE WE'RE FORCED TO TAKE IT BECAUSE THE WAY THIS IS STRUCTURED, YOU ALL MAKE IT SEEM LIKE YOU ALL NEGOTIATED AND WE SHOULD ACCEPT IT BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. 
          AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I WILL GO BACK TO ONE OTHER THING. 
          TWO, THE ONE THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME, LIKE WENDY DID. 
          I KNOW THIS IS COMMUNITY SERVICE AT ITS AT ITS BEST. 
          BUT SECOND, GOING BACK TO THE FIRST PROPOSAL AND THE OBSESSION OF PARKING, I WOULD THINK THAT IT'S INCUMBENT UPON DUBLIN TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO ABOUT RE REDUCING THE RELIANCE ON CARS IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          MAKE THIS AREA HERE, ESPECIALLY LOCALLY HERE FROM BRIDGE STREET TO THE, THE METRO, MAKE THAT A A, A SHOWPIECE FOR THE COUNTRY FOR E-BIKE, UH, TRAFFIC. 
          AND YOU COULD PUT UP A, UH, AN AREA WHERE YOU RECHARGE ELECTRIC CARS AND ELECTRIC BIKES NEAR THERE AND IT WOULD HAVE ITS OWN PARKING SPACES FOR WHEN THAT THING SHUTS DOWN FOR THE RETAIL. 
          MAYBE YOU PUT IN A PLACE THAT SELLS AND REPAIRS ELECTRIC BIKES. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE A VIRTUOUS CYCLE IF, IF WE MADE THAT HAPPEN AS WELL. 
          AND THAT WAY THESE PEOPLE, THESE THESE DEVELOPERS WHO THAT ARE HONESTLY STUCK WITH HAVING TO PROVIDE THE EXPENSE OF PARKING, GET A LITTLE RELIEF 
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AND THE THE BURDEN'S NOT SO BAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE, IN THE GALLERY WHO WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY FROM LIVESTREAM? I DO HAVE, UM, A FEW PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED EARLIER TODAY, UM, THAT WE DID NOT HAVE TIME TO GET INTO YOUR PACKET BEFORE THIS MEETING. 
          SO I WILL READ THOSE. 
          UM, SO, SO THE FIRST IS FROM, UM, FRANK KKI. 
          HE IS AT 4 2 2 9 HAYMAKER LANE IN DUBLIN, OHIO, 4 3 0 1 7. 
          UM, HIS WAS MORE QUESTIONS WHICH WE CAN PROVIDE AN ANSWER TO, UM, AS A FOLLOW UP TO THIS MEETING. 
          BUT, UM, WOULD THESE UNITS FEED INTO THOMAS ELEMENTARY? I REMEMBER READING THAT THOMAS WAS ALREADY AT MAX CAPACITY. 
          WOULDN'T THIS EXACERBATE THE ALREADY OVERCROWDED SCHOOLS AND FOR THE COMMISSION'S AWARENESS? THAT IS IN A DIFFERENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DISTRICT, NOT THOMAS, IT'S, UM, INDIAN RUN. 
          UM, THEN THE, UM, ANOTHER COMMENT WAS FROM CATHERINE LECHLEITER AT 2 7 4 MONTEREY DRIVE, DUBLIN, OHIO 4 3 0 1 7. 
          AS A RESIDENT OF WATERFORD VILLAGE, A MID THIRTIES PROFESSIONAL AND A PARENT OF TWO YOUNG CHILDREN, I GENERALLY LIKE TO REQUEST THE FOLLOWING BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION REGARDING THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS SHOULD NOT MIRROR DEVELOPMENT AND BRIDGE PARK METRO WAS ADJACENT ACROSS FRANCE TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS THAT FLOW NATURALLY FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BOTH THE PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT HEIGHT, STYLE AND DENSITY, AND THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE. 
          MULTI-FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY GREEN SPACE SHOULD FIT WITHIN THE AREA. 
          I'M NOT ENORMOUSLY OPPOSED TO SOME APARTMENTS IN THIS AREA, BUT APARTMENTS SHOULD NOT BE THE BULK OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE METRO AREA. 
          THERE ARE SERIOUS INFRASTRUCTURE CONCERNS, NAMELY TRAFFIC AND SAFETY WITH ADDING MORE DEVELOPMENT OF ANY KIND TO THIS ALREADY DENSE AND CONGESTED AREA. 
          THERE IS CURRENTLY ONLY A RIGHT TURN ONTO FRANCE ROAD OPTION OUT OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. 
          WHERE, WHERE WILL TRAFFIC THAT WANTS TO GET TO 1 61 AND TWO 70 BE ROUTED? THIS IS ONE OF A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ON THE HORIZON AND CANNOT BE CONSIDERED IN ISOLATION. 
          THE HOLE WILL BE PROBLEMATIC, MORE PROBLEMATIC THAN ANY OF THE PARTS ON THEIR OWN. 
          DUBLIN PRIDES ITSELF ON GREEN SPACE. 
          WHAT IS THE INTENTIONAL PLAN TO ENSURE USABLE GREEN SPACE IS INCORPORATED INTO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PLANS? MARKET CONSIDERATIONS. 
          BRIDGE PARK SEEMS TO BE FOCUSED ON A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL AND SENIOR DEMOGRAPHIC. 
          WHAT IS THE FOCUS OF THE METRO AREA DEVELOPMENT? DUBLIN SEEMS TO BILL ITSELF AS A FAMILY COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE LOTS OF GREAT AMENITIES, BUT I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THE METRO AREA TO BE MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY THAN BRIDGE PARK. 
          AT THE VERY LEAST, LET'S INCORPORATE PLAY AREAS, BUT BEYOND THAT, SOME METRO PARK ESQUE USE OF SOME OF THE SPACES AS PARENTS OF, AS A PARENT OF YOUNG CHILDREN, I AM MORE LIKELY TO FREQUENT BUSINESSES AND DEVELOPMENT AREAS WHERE I FEEL MY KIDS ARE SAFE AND ENTERTAINED FOR THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          ASIDE FROM ONE HOTEL SURROUNDING BUILDING HEIGHTS ARE LESS THAN FIVE STORIES. 
          DUBLIN HAS A WONDERFUL HISTORY OF THOUGHTFUL, INTENTIONAL, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING DEVELOPMENT. 
          I HOPE THIS WILL BE NO DIFFERENT. 
          THE EXTERIOR FACADE OF AN APARTMENT BUILDING WILL LIKELY INCLUDE PORCHES. 
          I'M NOT LOVING THE THOUGHT OF A FIVE. 
          A FIVE STORIES OF PERSONAL PATIO ITEMS BEING VISIBLE FROM FRANCE ROAD. 
          PLEASE THINK HARD ABOUT THIS ONE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, EFFORT, AND CONSIDERATION. 
          THEN I HAVE ANOTHER ONE FROM ROSEMARY HILL AT 3 3 3 STONEWALL COURT, DUBLIN, OHIO 4 3 0 1 7, UM, TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CASE, 23 DASH 1 21 CP CONCEPT 55 50 55. 
          UPPER METRO OF PLACE REPRESENTS AN AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENT OVER THE INITIAL SUBMISSION FROM NOVEMBER, 2023 BY MOVING THE STRUCTURES BACK SLIGHTLY FROM FRANCE ROAD, ALLOWING FOR SOME, FOR SOME POTENTIAL ATTRACTIVE LAND LANDSCAPE, GREEN SPACE, AND SCREENING THE SURFACE PARKING LOT. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT REVITALIZATION OF METRO PLACE IS A WORTHWHILE GOAL, BUT NOT TO MENTION INEVITABLE. 
          I SPEAK FOR MANY WATERFORD NEIGHBORS WHO ARE NEVERTHELESS STILL OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED BUILDING HEIGHTS OF FIVE STORIES. 
          WE PREFER A MAXIMUM OF FOUR STORIES BORDERING FRANCE ROAD. 
          WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF 159 ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THAT LOCATION. 
          WE'LL HAVE UPON TRAFFIC CONGESTION, SCHOOL ENROLLMENT AND DEMAND FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. 
          FINALLY, WE URGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN REVIEWING THIS AND OTHER PROPOSALS THAT ALTHOUGH WE MAY ENJOY THE AMENITIES OF BRIDGE PARK AND THE SCIOTO RIVER PARK, WE DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT THE DENSITY, INTENSITY AND CONGE CONGESTION OF BRIDGE PARK. 
          JUST A FEW BLOCKS FROM OUR PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          AND THEN I HAVE ONE FINAL 
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ONE, UM, WHICH IS WENDY EDWARDS, WHO I BELIEVE IS WHO IS ALREADY HERE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT AT 3 4 5 MONTEREY DRIVE, DUBLIN, OHIO 4 3 0 1 7. 
          DOES DUBLIN REALLY FEEL THERE'S A NEED FOR 159 MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, SO CLOSE TO ALL THE UNITS ACROSS THE STREET ON FRANCE, UP CORBIN'S MILL, AND NOW PROPOSE AT THE END OF MONTEREY AT 1 61? THE CONGESTION FOR THE PEOPLE IN WATERFORD VILLAGE IS GOING TO INCREASE EXPONENTIALLY, AND I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MS. ROUCH. 
          WE WE HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, MR. BIMAN. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH, SURE. 
          BUT, UM, UH, A YEAR AGO WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US, UH, UH, COUNCIL, UH, EXPLICITLY, JOHN REINER WAS THE PERSON THAT BROUGHT IT UP AT COUNCIL, SAID THAT THEY THOUGHT WE SHOULD DO A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OF METRO BEFORE WE ALLOW ANY MORE APARTMENTS. 
          UM, HAS THAT BEEN DONE? HAS THE STUDY BEEN DONE AT THE METRO CENTER? SO THERE, A STUDY YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THE STUDY AND PLAN THAT MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, UM, THE METRO CENTER STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK PLAN, OR WE'LL CALL IT JUST REVITALIZATION PLAN. 
          UM, AND THIS AREA IS TECHNICALLY JUST OUTSIDE THAT PLANNING AREA. 
          UM, AND IT'S, THIS AREA IS WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT. 
          UM, AND THIS IS AREA, OF COURSE IS AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE A COMMUNITY VISION FOR REDEVELOPMENT CHANGE OVER TIME AND THE CODE TO HELP SUPPORT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE HASN'T BEEN A STUDY OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA THEN, OR HAS IT? SO THE STUDY IS FOR AN AREA, REALLY THE METRO CENTER, JUST KIND OF SOUTH AND MORE OF ACTUAL METRO CENTER. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO THIS IS NOT PART OF THAT, BUT IT IS PART OF THE ME OR BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, WHICH HAD A COMMUNITY VISIONING AND PLANNING EFFORT A DECADE AGO. 
          AND NOW WE'RE SEEING THE IMPLEMENTATION OVER TIME. 
          BUT THAT STUDY THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING IS PRESENTLY HAPPENING OR ONGOING OR STARTING NOW? WE'RE STARTING NOW, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IS THEY, THAT THE COUNCIL DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD APPROVE ANY MORE APARTMENTS UNTIL THAT STUDY WAS DONE. 
          IS THAT WHAT, WHAT YOU THAT WAS A YEAR AGO, BUT I DO REMEMBER IT. 
          SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE REMEMBER THAT? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN HERE. 
          SO I THINK IN REFERRING TO THE METRO CENTER AREA, JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THIS, YES. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THE BRIDGE STREET ZONING, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT ZONING THAT IS ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IS WHAT IT IS, UM, IN TERMS OF THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED AND THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES THAT PROPERTY OWNERS CAN AVAIL THEMSELVES OF. 
          SO THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY ACTION BY COUNSEL TO PREVENT THAT FROM THE TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND APPLICATION PROCESS FOR MOVING FORWARD FOR BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT PROJECTS. 
          UM, INCLUDING ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. 
          METRO CENTER IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE ONGOING PLANNING PROCESS AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF APPLICATIONS AT METRO CENTER ARE ASKING FOR PUD REZONING, WHICH THE CITY HAS MUCH MORE, YOU KNOW OKAY. 
          OPEN DISCRETION ESSENTIALLY TO ACCEPT OR REJECT. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THIS DOESN'T APPLY. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY, FINE. 
          THAT'S ALL, THAT'S A MUCH MORE SUCCINCT WAY OF PUTTING IT, . 
          THANK YOU MR. FISHMAN. 
          IT'S LATE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, SO WE ARE MOVING ON TO DELIBERATION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. 
          WE ARE ASKED TO CONSIDER THIS CONCEPT PLAN. 
          UH, STAFF PROVIDED TWO CONDITIONS WITH THE APPLICATION THAT WAS LISTED WITHIN OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING FOR DELIBERATION THIS EVENING. 
          MR. SCHNARE, YOU WANNA START US OFF AGAIN? SURE. 
          BE HAPPY TO. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE, WE, UH, REPEAT THIS EVERY TIME, BUT IT'S WORTH REPEATING THAT WE THANK THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION. 
          IT DOES NOT GO UNAPPRECIATED OR, OR UNHEARD. 
          UM, I HAD, UH, HAD OFFICES IN METRO CENTER, UH, FOR 20 SOME YEARS AND I ALSO WENT OUT ON FRANCE ROAD EVERY, YOU KNOW, TWICE A DAY. 
          SO I'M NOT INSENSITIVE TO THAT. 
          THIS IS, UM, IN FRANCE ROAD, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU ALL KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU LIVE NEAR THERE IS IS IS DAY IS LIKE DAY AND NIGHT. 
          UM, THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, WE HAD APPROVED THIS CONCEPT PREVIOUSLY, UM, FOR FOR WHATEVER REASONS OF THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, I UNDERSTAND THE REASONS, UH, WE'RE REVISITING IT NOW. 
          UM, IT'S MY OPINION, IT'S BEEN IMPROVED. 
          I WAS SUPPORTIVE OF IT BEFORE AND I CONTINUE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. 
          THANK YOU MR. NER. 
          MR. FISHMAN? I AGREE IT'S BEEN IMPROVED. 
          UM, I, I THINK IT NEEDS MORE 
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IMPROVEMENT. 
          UM, UH, I IT ISN'T A RES IT ABUTS RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND, AND SUBDIVISION AND, AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, UH, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE GREATLY CONSIDERED. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A, A HUGE PROJECT NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY, NEAR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          AND ALSO I AGREE WITH THE FRANCE ROAD STORY, GETTING OUT OF FRANCE ROAD WHERE THERE'S NO LIGHT IS VERY DIFFICULT. 
          UM, SO WE'RE ADDING A LOT OF TRAFFIC. 
          SO I, I I, UM, UM, I CAN'T SAY I'M COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF THE CONCEPT. 
          UM, I, I, UH, UM, THE PROPERTY'S THERE, UH, UH, IT COULD BE BUILT, BUT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND THE DENSITY AND THE, THE, THE WAY IT'S BUILT AND, AND EVERYTHING ABOUT IT, UH, WHEN YOU COME BACK, BECAUSE I, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE PRETTY CRITICAL OF IT BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. FISHMAN. 
          MR. AK, UM, I HOPE I GET EVERYBODY. 
          MARK, NICOLE, WENDY, JAMES, FRANK, CATHERINE, MARY, JOHN. 
          THANK YOU AS ALWAYS. 
          UM, MARK, SOME OF MY PREVIOUS CONCERNS ARE, AND I'M GONNA ECHO, UH, OF MY COUNTERPARTS HERE A LITTLE BIT. 
          I, I, I DO THINK YOU'VE IMPROVED FROM WHERE IT'S BEEN. 
          UM, SOME OF THE CONCERNS WERE, WOULD WE ACTUALLY, WOULD WE COLLECTIVELY ACTUALLY WANDER UP IN THAT SPACE? RIGHT. 
          UM, THE, THE HEIGHT BARRIER DOES ADD SOMETHING. 
          THE PATHS IN ARE GENEROUS. 
          UH, THE REDUCTION OF THE PLINTH TAKES DOWN SOME OF THAT CONCERN. 
          ADDING SPACE INTO THE COMMERCIAL, THE COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS IS A NICE BYPRODUCT OF, OF THAT IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. 
          UM, THE, I HOPE IT'S A SYMPTOM OF THE ARC. 
          THE, I'M SORRY. 
          I HOPE IT'S A SYMPTOM OF, OF THE STAGE WE'RE AT AT PRESENT. 
          THE MODEL LEAVES A LOT TO BE DESIRED. 
          AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURE, THE IMAGES YOU SHOWED US ARE, ARE FAR BETTER. 
          THE DETAIL WORK IS NOT OBVIOUSLY THERE IN THE ARCHITECTURE YET. 
          UM, I, I'M HOPING THAT'S A PRO WILL DEVELOP IN IT AS TIME COMES. 
          AND RELATIVE TO SOME SPECIFICS, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SORT OF JUMP THROUGH A VARIETY OF THINGS. 
          I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE. 
          I, I THINK THE SPACES, THE SPACE WOULD GET USED BY ADJACENT PARCELS IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. 
          IT'S A NICE ADDITION RELATIVE TO THE, THE NARROW SLOT OF PROPERTY THAT HAS EXISTED THERE FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          ARCHITECTURALLY, THE PARAPET RIGHT NOW, THE MODEL LOOKS LIKE THE PARAPETS ALL THE SAME HEIGHT, SOME VARIATION IN THERE WOULD DO WONDERS FOR THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          THERE APPEARS TO BE A BLANK FACADE ON THE WEST, FAR WEST SIDE, A MASSIVE BLANK FACADE NEAREST THE PHASE TWO BUILDING. 
          THAT WOULD BE A VERY UNFORTUNATE, UM, VISUAL. 
          IT NEEDS SOME ATTENTION. 
          UH, I THINK THERE'S A GRAND OPPORTUNITY IF YOU'RE IN THE RIDGE PARK DISTRICT, THERE'S A GRAND OPPORTUNITY TO DO REALLY NICE SIGNS. 
          I ACTUALLY SAT HERE AND PENCILED, UM, FORGIVE ME, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE, I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON THE NAME, BUT VERTICAL SIGNS, LIKE THE FIREPROOF BUILDING ON HIGH STREET, RIGHT. 
          UM, THAT CLIMB THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE CHOICE LOCATIONS FOR THAT. 
          NOT WHOLLY ON, UH, NOT WHOLLY FAR FROM, YOU HAVE A BIG ART PIECE ON THE WALL, UH, MODELED RIGHT NOW AS ONE OF 'EM THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM, FROM EVEN FRANCE ROAD. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY THE POCKET PARKS AREN'T REALLY ACTING AS POCKET PARKS. 
          THERE'S, YOU KNOW, JUST LIMITED ACCESS AND UH, OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THAT LAND IS NOT, SOME OF THAT LAND ADJACENT TO THAT IS NOT YOURS. 
          IT'S SOMEHOW THE CITY'S AND OR UTILITY. 
          BUT MAYBE THAT ALLOWS FOR ACCESS AND SIDEWALKS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ALLOW THAT TO, UM, BE THOUGHT OF DIFFERENT. 
          THE RESTAURANT IN GENERAL. 
          UM, THE RESTAURANT IN GENERAL IS SMALL IN THE LARGER SCHEME OF THINGS. 
          THAT ELEMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, DARE I SAY, I, I, I THINK YOU CAN BLOSSOM IT QUITE A BIT. 
          I THINK YOU COULD CONCEDE A UNIT ABOVE IT AND, UH, RAISE THE, RAISE THE PRESENCE OF THAT MASS THERE AT THE CORNER. 
          HAVE QUITE A BIT MORE GLASS, HAVE QUITE, QUITE A BIT MORE ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST, UM, BECAUSE OF IT. 
          AND OR HELP THAT RESTAURANT SUCCEED 
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QUITE A BIT BASED ON THAT, BASED ON THAT VISIBILITY. 
          I DID ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT 45, 45 DEGREE ANGLE AND PARKING ONLY BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A LOT MORE PARKING ADJACENT AND IN PROXIMITY TO SOME OF THOSE COMMERCIAL USES. 
          UM, I DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE AGREEABLE. 
          HASN'T OFTEN BEEN AGREEABLE. 
          UM, ART WALK IS A GREAT CONCEPT. 
          IT'S REALLY, REALLY EARLY. 
          UH, I'M JUST POINTING OUT. 
          AND EVEN THE WAY IT'S DRAWN, IT'S SORT OF INCOMPLETE AND THERE'S BENCHES ON THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SIDEWALK SURFACES THE WAY IT'S THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY MODELED. 
          I'M TRUSTING YOU'RE GONNA WORK THAT ALL OUT. 
          THAT'S ME. 
          UM, ARTICULATING, I THINK THERE'S WORK TO DO WITH THE CITY RELATIVE TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IF IT ENDS UP BEING ON THE, ON THE WEST END, THERE'S JUST THESE LOOPS. 
          AND IF IT ENDS UP JUST BEING THESE LOOPS OFF THE SIDEWALK, THAT'LL BE A MISS. 
          UM, I, I DID ONCE MORE PRESENCE THAN THAT. 
          THE SCREEN WALL AS WELL. 
          MAYBE IT'S NOT A WALL, BUT THE IDEA OF A SCREEN, UH, UH, THE IDEA OF THE IDEA OF ART INSTALLATION SOMEHOW BECOMING A VIBRANT THING. 
          I'M GOING TO, UH, I DON'T LIKE WHEN ART IN PUBLIC BECOMES JUST A FLAT THING. 
          THERE ARE TIMES AND PLACES FOR EXACTLY THAT, FOR A MURAL KIND OF CANVAS. 
          UM, BUT ART IN, AND YOU'VE GOT QUITE A BIT OF SCULPTURE, BUT ART, ART IN PUBLIC SPACES CAN ALSO BE, AND I'M SURE WE'VE ALL SEEN, THERE'S THE, THE GRIDED UH, THE GRIDDED LAMPPOSTS THAT ARE FOUR FEET ON CENTER AND 20 DEEP AND 20 WIDE, AND PEOPLE RUN, KIDS RUN THROUGH 'EM. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TEENAGERS TAKE DATES THERE. 
          AND THAT LEVEL OF INSTALLATION AND ART, THE SCREEN COULD BE OF THAT ILK, RIGHT? A LITTLE MORE FIELD OF CORN THAN, THAN JUST A WALL THAT GETS A TREATMENT TYPE OF THING. 
          AND, AND FORGIVE ME, THAT WAS A LOT OF SPECIFICS, BUT I THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN DIGEST THOSE AND START TO INCORPORATE THEM IN A REALLY MEANINGFUL WAY. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, I'M, UH, I'LL BE HONEST, IT ALWAYS WORRIES ME WHEN WE SEE PHASE TWO ELEMENTS. 
          WE HAVE NO, UNLIKE SAY, A, A BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH HAS YOU BOUND TO ACTUALLY BUILDING THE PHASE TWO. 
          WE DON'T. 
          SO THE PHASE TWO IS, UM, IN POTENTIAL OF NEVER BEING BUILT HERE, UH, RELATIVE TO THAT. 
          BUT IT, AS THE STREET CONTINUES TO FILL IN WOULD BE A REALLY NICE ELEMENT. 
          SO I I, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, DON'T GIVE UP ON CONSIDERING IT HOW IT FITS IN THE REST OF THE REST OF IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. SOUP. 
          BLACK MR. CHINOOK, WE'LL GO DOWN TO YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          I DON'T HAVE TO GO LAST . 
          UM, I, I, I THINK I, I GENERALLY AGREE WITH EVERYBODY AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A, A FANTASTIC JOB OF, UM, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS AND, AND, AND MAKING THIS WORK. 
          UM, I, I FULLY APPRECIATE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WE ALWAYS SAY THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE RECOGNIZE ALSO THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PLANNING AND ZONING HERE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS, THIS SITE. 
          AND I THINK OUR APPLICANT HAS DONE A MARK, YOU'VE DONE A, A REALLY GREAT JOB. 
          OF CREATING A REALLY NICE SPACE, UM, THE, THE GREEN SPACE, THE PARK. 
          UM, AND WE, I THINK KIND OF WHAT, UH, MARK WAS ALLUDING TO, I THINK WE LOOK FORWARD TO KIND OF THE NEXT STEP AND REALLY SEEING THAT ARCHITECTURE COME TO LIFE, THE REAL, THE VISION FOR THIS COME TO LIFE. 
          I THINK OVERALL THE CONCEPT IS, IS GREAT. 
          UM, I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU WHEN YOU COME BACK TO, UM, RECOGNIZE THAT THIS, THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS SOUTH OF THE BIGGER METRO PLACE DEVELOPMENT AND BECOMES A TRANSITIONAL PIECE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, FROM THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT. 
          SO HOW CAN YOU BETTER TRANSITION THAT RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET INTO METRO PLACE, AS THIS BECOMES KIND OF THAT FIRST, FIRST PIECE OF THAT? UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF BRINGING IN THE GREEN SPACE AND, AND INVITING THE PUBLIC INTO YOUR, IN, INTO THIS SPACE, BUT AS WE LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURE AND SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS, HOW CAN WE, WE TRANSITION IT, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE ACTIVATION OF THE RESTAURANT, THE PATIO, THE COWORKING SPACE, SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT EASE THAT TRANSITION INTO THE, UH, INTO THIS, THIS BUILDING. 
          BUT AGAIN, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, UM, ADDRESSING THE COMMENTS. 
          I THINK YOU'VE DONE A, A REALLY GREAT JOB THUS FAR AND WE JUST REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, KIND OF THE NEXT STEP AND, AND REALLY FIGURING OUT THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE OVERALL LOOK AND FEEL OF THE SPACE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. 
          MS. HARTER, UH, THANK YOU. 
          I, UH, IT'S VERY NICE TO BE SURROUNDED WITH SO MANY GOOD IDEAS FROM THIS COMMISSION, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD ALSO FOR THE COMMUNITY COMING FORWARD. 
          UM, MY LIST IS GETTING SMALLER BECAUSE OF THE GREAT IDEAS, BUT WHAT'S ON MY MIND NOW IS THINKING ABOUT THIS SPACE AS FAMILY ORIENTED, THINKING ABOUT THIS SPACE AS, UM, WALKABILITY. 
          UH, THE CITY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE SIDEWALKS AND SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE, UM, THAT THOSE ARE ALL AMENABLE AND THOSE THAT 
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PEOPLE CAN GET AROUND AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, AND I, I, I AGREE AGAIN WITH MY COMMISSIONERS, ALSO WITH THE STAFF SUGGESTIONS, UM, AND ALL OF THOSE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, THAT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, COMING OUT OF THAT AREA, YOU DEFINITELY, UH, CAN TURN RIGHT AND THEN YOU KIND OF SAY TO YOURSELF, OH, I NEED TO GO THE OTHER WAY. 
          SO YOU'RE TURNING INTO HYDE PARK GRILL, OR YOU'RE GOING DOWN TO CORBIN MILLS. 
          I MEAN, I CAN SEE THAT ALL THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE RECONFIGURED. 
          YOU CAN LEAVE THE O OPPOSITE WAY AND GO OUT, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, NATURE KIND OF LENDS US THAT WAY. 
          SO TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC, UM, NEEDS TO BE A CONSIDERATION FOR SURE THERE TOO. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE BI BICYCLES. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE, UM, YOU'RE BALANCING THE TWO BEDROOMS THAT KIND OF MAKES ME THINK OF MOBILITY PEOPLE AND PEOPLE GETTING AROUND. 
          UM, AND I, I HOPE MR. WE THEN WILL ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IT UP A BIT. 
          'CAUSE I THINK HE HAS SOME, UH, GREAT SUGGESTIONS ABOUT, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE. 
          GOES A LONG, LONG WAY THAT WAY TOO. 
          UM, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I THINK, AND LANDSCAPING, LANDSCAPING TO ME IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND, UM, AND JUST THE PRIVACY. 
          SOME PLACES ARE NOT BEING DEALT WITH AND SOME PLACES NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARTER, MR. WAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND AGAIN, THANKS FOR THE PUBLIC FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND SPEAKING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT IS NOT NEW TO US. 
          IT'S BEEN THROUGH THIS COMMISSION SEVERAL TIMES. 
          AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT STARTED OFF BEING AN L-SHAPED BUILDING, FRONTING ONTO FRANCE AND UPPER METRO PLACE, WHICH THE COMMISSION LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT ON THAT CORNER. 
          SO THE DEVELOPER HAS WHAT WE BELIEVE RESPONDED TO OUR COMMENTS AND STARTED TO BREAK UP THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING BY PUSHING AND PULLING IT, AND DISCOVERED THAT WE COULD CREATE A REALLY GREAT OPEN SPACE ON THAT CORNER. 
          SO YOU COME AROUND FROM 1 61 AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE SEEING NOT JUST A, A HARD ARCHITECTURAL EDGE, BUT YOU'RE SEEING SOMETHING THAT'S MORE OPEN AND INVITING AND GRACIOUS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE APPROVED, UH, THIS AS A CONCEPT PLAN THE LAST TIME. 
          UM, FUNDAMENTALLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S CHANGED DRAMATICALLY FROM WHEN WE APPROVED IT BEFORE. 
          I THINK WE'RE STILL, FROM A CONCEPTUAL STANDPOINT, HEADED DOWN THE RIGHT ROAD. 
          UM, I WAS REALLY INTERESTED WHEN I SAW THIS, THAT, THAT THE BUILDING ALONG UPPER METRO PLACE CUT SHORTER BECAUSE WE THEN DON'T HAVE THAT CONTIGUOUS KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL, UM, EDGE KIND OF ENERGIZING THE STREET. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ECONOMICS INVOLVED IN THIS, AND THAT'S CAUSING DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS TO BE MADE. 
          UM, I DIDN'T MIND THE LONG BAR AND THE CONTINUATION OF IT. 
          AND, UM, I, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I WAS STRUGGLING WITH IS HOW TO BREAK UP THAT LONG, UM, BAR OF A BUILDING, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO SCALE IT DOWN. 
          AND I THINK YOU'VE AUTOMATICALLY DONE THAT NOW 'CAUSE YOU'VE CUT IT IN HALF. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MOVE. 
          I, I STILL WORRY THAT THEN THERE'S A GAP IN THE STREET, AND I KNOW AS WE DISCUSSED THIS PROPOSED NEW BUILDING, WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY FROM READING THE NARRATIVE, THAT THE IDEA OF BUILDING THAT BUILDING ON TOP OF PARKING AND LEAVING PARKING UNDERNEATH IT, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY MEETS CODE. 
          UM, AND IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UM, TAKE A HARD LOOK AT. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THIS WILL, IF THAT INFILL BUILDING DOES HAPPEN, THAT WILL HELP TO COMPLETE THE STORY FOR ME. 
          I DON'T MIND SEEING THE INTERIM SURFACE PARKING WITH THE ATTRACTIVE WALL AROUND IT AND INTEGRATED INTO THE ART PARK AND ALL THAT. 
          SO AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I'VE SUPPORTED THIS PROJECT WHEN IT EVOLVED TO THIS STATE, AND I, I THINK IT'S STILL HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          I, AGAIN, I WAS, I WAS HAPPY WITH FOUR STORIES AND THE MORE SPREAD OUT FIVE STORIES, I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH OPEN SPACE AND GREEN SPACE THAT IT COULD HANDLE THAT ADDITIONAL STORY. 
          SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. 
          BUT, UM, I WOULD KEEP GOING DOWN THIS TRACK. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WE, UM, I, I WANNA ADDRESS JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS. SO, UH, I'M IN THIS AREA QUITE FREQUENTLY. 
          MY OFFICE USED TO OVERLOOK THIS PARCEL. 
          I WAS ON THE THIRD FLOOR OF 400 METRO PLACE NORTH, AND NOW I, MY OFFICE IS AT 55 55 FRANCE ROAD. 
          AND SO I'M ON FRANCE EVERY DAY. 
          AND I WAS IN METRO EVERY DAY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THERE IS A PLACE FOR EVERYTHING. 
          I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT LIVE IN AN AREA LIKE THIS. 
          I LIKE THE SUBURBS, BUT I THINK OTHER PEOPLE WANNA LIVE IN, IN AREAS LIKE THIS. 
          UH, ALSO I THINK THAT THAT TRAFFIC IS CONCERNING IN THE AREA. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, ONE 60 ONE'S A STATE ROAD, SO THE CITY DOESN'T GET MUCH INPUT ON HOW THAT IS. 
          AND PERSONALLY, I AVOID THAT KROGER LIKE THE PLAGUE BECAUSE I HATE THE RIDE IN RIGHT OUT WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO ALL 
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THE WAY AROUND THE BLOCK. 
          UH, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE. 
          THERE'S CERTAINLY ONE OF THE BENEFITS THAT WE WOULD HAVE IS WITH MORE, UH, DEMAND FOR REPROGRAMMING OF THAT AREA, THEN THE IMPETUS FOR CONSIDERING ALTERNATIVE TRAFFIC PATTERNS WOULD BE MORE APPEALING, BOTH AT THE STATE LEVEL AND AT THE CITY LEVEL. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE BENEFIT. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS, I, I, I LIKE, MY QUARTER ACRE IS TOO SMALL. 
          I LIKE MY, YOU KNOW, LARGER LOTS, BUT OTHER PEOPLE WANNA LIVE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE PROPERTY, THEY DON'T HAVE YARDS. 
          THEY HAVE, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF OPEN SPACE. 
          UM, I, I WANNA SPEAK TO THE OPEN SPACE REALLY QUICKLY. 
          UH, I, I JUST READ BACK THROUGH MY COMMENTS THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS, OR MAYBE TWO TIMES AGO WHEN WE SAW THIS. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT BUILT ON IT QUALIFIES AS OPEN SPACE CODE SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR OPEN SPACE. 
          UH, I COULDN'T FIND THE DEFINITION SPECIFICALLY IN THE BSD CODE, BUT I DID FIND IT IN OUR, IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          AND SO I WOULD CHALLENGE THE APPLICANT TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO TO ACTUALLY INVITE PUBLIC INTO THAT AREA. 
          I AGREE, THIS IS NOT SOMEWHERE WHERE I WOULD GO HAVE A PICNIC WITH MY KIDS, BUT IF I WERE GONNA THE RESTAURANT, I CAN SEE WALKING AROUND THE ART INSTALLATION. 
          IF I WERE ON MY LUNCH BREAK AND I STILL WORKED AT 400, THEN I WOULD WALK AROUND AND DO THE, THE ART PATH. 
          AND SO OPEN SPACE DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO BE A PARK WITH A PLAYGROUND. 
          IT COULD BE JUST LIKE A DIFFERENT APPLICATION WE SAW TODAY, UH, A HALF A MILE, UM, TRAIL THAT IS WIDE ENOUGH FOR BICYCLES AND WALKERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND SO I APPLAUD THE, THE CREATIVITY THAT GOES INTO THE OPEN SPACE, THE CREATIVITY THAT GOES INTO HAVING A DESTINATION, THAT DESTINATION OF, UH, THE ART WALKWAY THAT WILL DRAW PEOPLE IN. 
          WHETHER THOSE PEOPLE OR VISITORS TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN STAYING AT A HOTEL NEARBY, WHETHER THEY'RE RESIDENTS OR WHETHER, WHETHER THEY'RE EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS THIS EVENING. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE ON THE TABLE TODAY, UH, TWO CONDITIONS FROM STAFF FOR RECOMMENDATION, UH, OF, OF APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          THOSE TWO CONDITIONS WERE INCLUDED IN OUR DOCUMENTATION. 
          IS THERE ANY FINAL COMMENT FROM THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO A VOTE? SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          BEFORE WE DO THAT, UM, COULD WE JUST FIX THE WORDING OF THE SECOND CONDITION? IT SAYS OPEN SPACERS, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HEAR MR. SEAR'S VOICE COMING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH. 
          THAT'S SO WEIRD. 
          CHANNELING, HANDLING . 
          WELL, I JUST HAVE A THINK ABOUT OPEN SPACE THAT I JUST WANTED TO BE  REFERRED TO CORRECTLY TO ENSURE OPEN SPACE AND NOT SPACERS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION I FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF UPPER METRO PLACE MIXED USE BUILDING CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS, UH, WITH THE TYPO MODIFIED AS STATED. 
          SO MOVED. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WAY. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU, MR. AK. 
          MS. BEAL. 
          MR. CHINOOK? YES. 
          MS. HARDER? YES. 
          MR. FISHMAN? YES. 
          MR. WE? YES. 
          MR. LAC? YES. 
          YES. 
          MR. SNE? YES. 
          ALL WE, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS EVENING AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          THIS IS CONCEPT PLAN. 
          SO WE WILL SEE THIS IN A FORMAL APPLICATION. 
          UH, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT. 
          WHAT IS IT? BRIDGE STREET IS PDP AND THEN FDP SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. 
          SO PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THEN A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THERE WILL BE TWO MORE MINIMUM OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME AND PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS IF YOU'D LIKE TO. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF OUR COMMENTS WERE SUBMITTED, UH, IN ADVANCE. 
          I KNOW THAT THIS IS A SACRIFICE OF YOUR TIME TO BE HERE. 
          OUR MEETINGS DO TEND TO BE VERY DETAIL ORIENTED, SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AND YOUR PARTICIPATION THIS EVENING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, WE HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE LIST ALONG WITH COMMUNICATIONS. 
          SO NO, NO REAL DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK THAT'S JUST THERE CASE. 
          YOU ALL HAVE SOMETHING. 
          UM, COMMUNICATION 
          [COMMUNICATIONS]
WISE, I HAVE, UM, ONE CHANGE TO YOUR APRIL MEETING DATES. 
          UM, WE WERE NOTIFIED OF A CONFLICT, UM, AND NEED TO MOVE OUR APRIL 4TH MEETING TO APRIL 11TH, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT DOES, HOPEFULLY THAT DOESN'T CAUSE ISSUES WITH THE GROUP, BUT 
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MAY 4TH. 
          APRIL 4TH WILL BE NOW THE 11TH. 
          11TH. 
          APRIL. 
          APRIL 11TH SAVED. 
          OKAY. 
          YOUR BIRTHDAY, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? OH, OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER ITEMS OF DISCUSSION, COMMUNICATION FOR THIS EVENING? NO. 
          SEEING NONE, MR. WE MEETING ADJOURNED. 
          WHY DOES HE ALWAYS.
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