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GOOD EVENING,[CALL TO ORDER]
AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
PLEASE COME FORWARD WHEN INVITED.
STATE YOUR NAME, UM, AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
PLEASE ENSURE WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT LATER, THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON, AS YOU CAN SEE ON MY MICROPHONE NOW.
AND WE DO REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR ORDER COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
IF YOU WILL ALL PLEASE JOIN ME AND STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.
WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. SNEER? HERE.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 7TH MEETING.DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND MS. WAS THAT MR. FISHMAN? ALL RIGHT.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD.
THE CITY COUNCIL, WHEN REZONING AND PLANNING OF PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION, IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM UH, THE, THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY THE STAFF ANALYSIS AND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN HAVE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH THE APPLICANT AND OF STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE COMMISSION WILL DELIBERATE AND, UH, DELIBERATE ON EACH CASE.
SO AS WE'RE DEALING WITH SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS, ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THESE CASES THIS EVENING, WILL YOU PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? YES.
[Case #23-112FP ]
IS ONE APPLICATION ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.THAT IS CASE 23 DASH 12 FB FP.
THIS IS THE FINAL PLAT FOR THE SHOB LAW OFFICE.
DOES ANYONE FROM THE COMMISSION WISH TO PULL THIS ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CON, THE CONSENT AGENDA AS DESIGNATED ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS.
TO THE LAW OFFICE, UH, THE SHE HAVE LAW OFFICE, WE CERTAINLY WELCOME YOU TO DUBLIN.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE APPLICATION MOVE FORWARD.
EVERYTHING'S LOOKING GREAT OVER IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA OF THE CITY, AND WE WELCOME YOU, UH, A AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR APPLICATION.
ALRIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE ORDER
[Case #23-118MSP]
OF THE, UH, AGENDA SLIGHTLY.OUR NEXT CASE THAT WE WILL HEAR THIS EVENING WILL BE CASE NUMBER 2318 MSP.
THIS IS FOR VETERINARY EMERGENCY GROUP.
THIS REQUEST FOR RE THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A MASTER SIGN PLAN, INCLUDING TWO WALL SIGNS AT AN EXISTING VETERINARY CLINIC IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
THE 1.87 ACRE LOT IS ZONE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SAWMILL ROAD IN DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE.
WE HAVE A NEW PLANNING, UH, PLANNING ASSISTANT HERE THIS EVENING.
I WILL TURN THE TIME OVER TO THE APPLICANT OR TO DANIEL TO FIRST INTRODUCE, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT FIRST.
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FORWARD.AND AGAIN, SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY, SO WE'LL HAVE YOU COME RIGHT OVER HERE.
SEE, IT TYPICALLY RUN AWAY, BUT
SO IF I COULD HAVE YOU, UM, ON THE MICROPHONE, IF YOU TOUCH THE L THE BUTTON ON THE BOTTOM OF THE MICROPHONE, YOUR GREEN LINE IS NOW ON.
I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS CHARLIE SHAEL WITH SITE ENHANCEMENT SERVICES.
ADDRESS 6 0 0 1 NIMS PARKWAY, SOUTH BEND, INDIANA.
FIRST OFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
UM, AS STATED, WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST APPROVAL FOR TWO FACADE MOUNTED SIGNS, UM, AT THE 3,800 TOLLER ROAD LOCATION FOR THE, UM, VETERINARIAN EMERGENCY GROUP.
UM, FIRST I WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO STAFF, UH, FOR WORKING WITH US.
YOU'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE THEM.
UM, I GUESS WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, UM, IN REGARDS TO OUR LOCATION, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO, OR I GUESS JUST TO THE WEST OF, UH, SAWMILL OR DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO AND HAVING THREE VERY, I GUESS, PROMINENT FRONTAGES, UH, BETWEEN TOLER, UH, DUBLIN CENTER ROAD AND SAWMILL SIGNAGE.
AND I GUESS WAYFINDING IDENTIFICATION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US.
UM, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT TO THE SITE, UH, WE DO HAVE CURRENTLY A FREESTANDING SIGN ON DUBLIN CENTER AND THEN ONE ON SAWMILLS, UH, ROAD AS WELL.
DUE TO THE SETBACK OF THE SAWMILL ROAD SIGNAGE AND THE BUILDING ITSELF AND THE, UH, STRING OF VEGETATION OR VERITABLE FORCE, UH, BETWEEN US AND SAWMILL, IT MAKES SIGNAGE AND IDENTIFICATION OF THAT PROPERTY SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT.
SO WE DID, UM, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ANALYSIS, UM, AND CAME UP WITH THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE THAT WE HAVE, UH, BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
UM, IT'S A, UH, FACADES MOUNTED SIGN ON THE SAWMILL ELEVATION, AND THEN ONE ON THE TOLLER AS WELL.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, UH, BOTH SIGNS HAVE A LETTER HEIGHT OF 19 AND AN EIGHTH INCH TALL.
UM, AND THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH SIGN IS 78.93 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE REASON WHY, I GUESS ONE OF THE ASPECTS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS, UH, THE CODE ALLOWS FOR SIGNAGE NOT TO BE ABOVE 15 FEET IN HEIGHT.
UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR 19 FEET, SEVEN INCHES.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING FACADE, THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT ISN'T FOR INCREASED VISIBILITY OR, OR FURTHER NOTIFICATION OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE.
UM, WE VERY BRIEFLY TOYED AROUND WITH THE IDEA OF, OF SPANNING THE WINDOW AREA.
IT DIDN'T LOOK GOOD, IT DIDN'T READ WELL.
IT REALLY TOOK AWAY FROM, UM, I GUESS THE OVERALL ARCHITECTURAL FEEL OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THE WAY THAT THE ELEVATIONS ARE LAID OUT, UM, BOTH ELEVATIONS ARE, ARE BASICALLY MIRROR IMAGES OF EACH OTHER.
UM, THAT AREA IS INTENDED FOR A SIGN BAND.
SO THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT 19 FEET, SEVEN INCHES IS IT'S, UM, CENTERED VERTICALLY AND HORIZONTALLY ON THAT, THAT SIGN BAND AREA.
IN WORKING WITH STAFF AND UNDERSTANDING, UM, I GUESS THE LOCATION THAT WE'RE IN, WE'VE DONE A COUPLE DIFFERENT, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER NORMAL SIGNAGE IN ORDER TO ELEVATE THE LOOK AND THE PRESENTATION.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN, IN PROTOTYPICAL SIGNAGE, UH, FOR, FOR THIS CLIENT OR FOR THIS BUSINESS, IS THAT RED BOX WOULD BE FULLY ILLUMINATED.
IT WOULD BE, UM, A SINGLE, UH, DIMENSION.
AND, UH, THE VETERINARY EMERGENCY GROUP LETTERS WOULD ALL BE YOUR TRADITIONAL CAN LETTERS WITH A TRIM CAP AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SINGLE, UM, SINGLE DIMENSION FACE.
SO SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE DID, AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, UM, WE'RE DOING A PUSH THROUGH.
UM, FOR THE, FOR THE VEG LOGO ITSELF, WE'RE DOING A PUSH THROUGH ACRYLIC, UM, AND THEN PLACING THE PAW PRINT, UM, IN A DIMENSIONAL BLACK ACRYLIC ON TOP.
THE, OBVIOUSLY THE BLACK ONE ILLUMINATE ONLY THE WHITE, UM, THE, UH, WHITE AND THE VEG AND THE LOGO ITSELF WILL ILLUMINATE.
IT'S JUST A BOX WITH A PUSH THROUGH.
UM, SO THAT'S AN UPGRADE TO THE PROTOTYPICAL, I GUESS, PRESENTATION THAT NOT ONLY THIS CLIENT HAS, BUT I GUESS A LOT OF COMMERCIAL RETAILERS WOULD HAVE.
THE OTHER ITEM WOULD BE THE VET, UM, THE VETERINARIAN EMERGENCY GROUP LETTERS THEMSELVES.
UH, WHAT WE DID WAS WE STILL HAVE THE BLACK, UH, RETAINER SYSTEM.
HOWEVER, WE'VE GONE WITH A THICK ACRYLIC, UM, THAT WOULD BE, WE CALL IT TOP HAT CUT, UH, WOULD, WOULD SIT INSIDE OF THE RETURN ITSELF.
THERE WOULD BE NO TRIM CAP, AND IT'S, IT'S THE THREE-QUARTER INCH ACRYLIC THAT'S EXPOSED.
AND ONLY THAT ASPECT WOULD, UH, ILLUMINATE
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SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'VE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.AND YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT IT IN A MINUTE.
IN REGARDS TO THE, TO THE, UH, STAFF CRITERIA OR THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY DRAWN UP, AND AGAIN, AN ANOTHER REASON TO LOOK AT THE DIMENSIONALITY OF THE SIGN IS THE ON THE VEG LETTERING, OR AT LEAST THAT WHITE, UM, PRESENTATION WAS GOING WITH A CLEAR ACRYLIC WITH A WHITE VINYL FACE, UH, VINYL, UH, 3M APPLIED VINYL.
IT'S AN EXTERIOR GRADE, UH, VINYL.
AND SO IT WOULD BE CLEAR ON THE EDGES AND THEN HAVE THE WHITE FACE.
IT ALLOWS FOR A CRISP LINE OF ILLUMINATION ON THE SIDE, CLEAR ACRYLIC, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, UM, MORE MUTED DOWN AS IT GOES THROUGH THE FACE AND ILLUMINATES WHITE STAFF CONDITION IS A FULL, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF GOING WITH THIS, UM, TYPE OF LOOK AND FEEL WOULD BE GOING WITH A SOLID PIECE OF WHITE ACRYLIC, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY DO THAT AS WELL.
WE WERE LOOKING TO DO THIS TO KIND OF RAISE AND ELEVATE AND BRING SOME ADDITIONAL VISUAL INTEREST IN, IN DIMENSIONALITY AND, AND FEEL TO THE SIGN.
UM, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA TAKE TOO MUCH TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOURS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE STAFF PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL, WE MAY INVITE YOU UP FOR SOME COMMISSION QUESTIONS.
THIS CASE IS FOR THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF TWO WALL SIGNS AT AN EXISTING VETERINARY CLINIC IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
MASTER SIGN PLANS ARE INTENDED TO ALLOW FOR UNIQUE AND CREATIVE SIGN DESIGN AND DISPLAY AND ALLOW FLEXIBILITY TO DEVIATE FROM THE STANDARDS OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SIGN CODE PROVISIONS.
DEVIATIONS FROM CODE CAN CONSIDER UNIQUE SITE CONDITIONS, NUMBER OF SIGNS, AND A COORDINATED SIGN PACKAGE AMONGST OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
THE PZC IS THE FINAL REVIEWING BODY FOR A MASTER SIGN PLAN DETERMINATION.
THE 1.866 ACRE SITE IS NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF TOLER ROAD AND DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE AND IS ZONED BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SITE HAS TWO EXISTING GROUND SIGNS ADJACENT TO SAWMILL ROAD AND DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE.
STAFF IS CONDITIONING THE TIMING OF THE REMOVAL OF THE GROUND SIGNS, INSTALLATION OF THE PROPOSED WALL SIGNS AND THE RESTORATION OF THE GROUND SIGN AREA LANDSCAPING.
BOTH WALL SIGNS EXCEED THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED HEIGHT OF 15 FEET PER THE STANDARD SIGN CODE.
DUE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL LIMITATIONS OF THE WINDOW HEIGHT ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED WALL SIGN LOCATIONS AND MOUNTING HEIGHTS THAT ARE APPROPRIATELY SCALED AND CENTERED.
THE PROPOSED VINYL FILM FOR THE CHANNEL LETTERING AND LOGO DEVIATES FROM PERMITTED MATERIALS IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SIGN GUIDELINES.
STAFF IS CONCERNED WITH THE LONGEVITY OF A VINYL FILM AND THE MAINTENANCE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN ITS APPEARANCE AND IS RECOMMENDING A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO CHANGE THE SIGN FACE MATERIAL TO WHITE ACRYLIC.
ALL APPLICATION CRITERIA ARE MET WITH THE MASTER SIGN PLAN AND CONDITIONS OR ARE NOT APPLICABLE.
PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MASTER SIGN PLAN WITH FOUR CONDITIONS.
THE FIRST CONDITION REGARDS THE EXISTING GROUND SIGN REMOVAL.
THE SECOND CONDITION REGARDS THE VINYL REPLACEMENT, THE THIRD CONDITION REGARDS THE LANDSCAPE RESTORATION AND THE FOURTH CONDITION REGARDS PERMITTING FROM BUILDING STANDARDS.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
UH, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. FISHMAN THE OBVIOUS ONE.
DOES THE, UM, UM, DO YOU AGREE TO THE CONDITIONS? YES.
ACCEPT THE CONDITIONS BY? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MS. HARDER? UH, JUST CLARIFICATION, BOTH OF THE GROUND SIGNS ARE LEAVING THERE.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A GROUND SIGN.
UH, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC COM COMMENT? PUBLIC? WISH TO COMMENT? SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
AND JUST TO RESTATE, THAT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MASTER SIGN PLAN WITH THE FOUR CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN THE AGENDA.
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MS. HARDER? YES.UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING THIS EVENING.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT VETERINARY CLINIC BUILDING.
[Case #23-123INF]
NEXT CASE ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS CASE 23 DASH 1 23 INF FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW.THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK OF A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION CONSISTING OF 153 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNITS ON APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED ACRES.
THE SITE IS ZONED RURAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF CAUSE, GRAY AND BARONS MORE WAY.
UM, I WILL TURN SOME TIME OVER TO THE APPLICATION FOR OUR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.
PLEASE COME FORWARD, PRESS THE BUTTON TO ILLUMINATE THE LIGHT ON THE MICROPHONE, AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME'S TODD FERRIS WITH FERRIS PLANNING AND DESIGN.
UH, ADDRESS IS 4 8 7 6 CEMETERY ROAD, HILLIARD, OHIO.
SO, UM, GLAD TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
THIS HAS, UH, BEEN A FEW MONTHS COMING TO THIS POINT.
UH, WE HAVE HAD, UH, A FEW MEETINGS WITH, WITH YOUR PLANNING STAFF.
AND THE ONE THING THEY COULDN'T TELL US IS, IS, IS HOW YOU GUYS MIGHT, MIGHT, MIGHT REACT TO SOME OF THIS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, I, ZACHARY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, OBVIOUSLY WI WITH THE INFORMATION HE'S PUT TOGETHER.
UH, WHAT I CAN ADD TO THIS, UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT WITH MY CLIENT, KIRIN VAS.
UH, HE IS A, A DEVELOPER, LOCAL DEVELOPER.
UH, CURRENTLY HAS A PROJECT THAT'S SIMILAR TO THIS, UH, UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN ORANGE TOWNSHIP.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SIMILAR PROJECTS IN CONCORD TOWNSHIP AS WELL.
AND, AND A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, UH, PRODUCT TYPES IN, IN THE CITY OF DELAWARE.
SO THIS PRODUCT, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT BEFORE I TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ON THE SITE PLAN.
RE REALLY, REALLY IS, UH, AGE TARGETED.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT ONLY IS IS IS THE YOUNGER GENERATION GROWING, BUT SO IS THE OLDER GENERATION AS WELL.
AND THIS REALLY SERVES, I THINK, A, UH, A GREAT TRANSITIONAL HOUSING TYPE THAT, THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO, TO GET FROM THE LARGER HOUSE TO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, BUT NOT SACRIFICE QUALITY AND, AND TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT, UH, QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THEY REALLY WANT, WANT TO HAVE.
BUT WHAT WE OFFER TYPICALLY IS A CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
NOW WITH, WITH CONVERSATION, WITH PLANNING, UH, PLANNING STAFF, IT, IT, UH, SEEMED LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, UH, FEE SIMPLE WOULD BE, UH, UH, BETTER RECEIVED, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO CREATE LIKE A HOMES ASSOCIATION BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE SERVICES PROVIDED, UH, WITH, WITH THIS HOUSING.
SO THERE, THERE WOULD BE, UH, CERTAIN LEVELS OF EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE, UH, YARDS, UH, DRIVEWAY SNOWPLOWING, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD COME WITH THIS.
SO IT IS REALLY CATERED TOWARDS, UH, 55 AND OLDER CROWD.
UM, ALSO IF, IF YOU'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURE, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER IF WE HAD THE FLOOR PLANTS IN IT.
UM, IT'S REALLY NOT CONDUCIVE FOR, FOR HAVING CHILDREN
IT IS MEANT IT IS MEANT FOR 55 AND OLDER CROWD.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE TYPICALLY DON'T AGE RESTRICT THESE.
UM, THE PRODUCT DOES, DOES THOUGH, UH, UH, LEND ITSELF TO THAT, THAT TYPE OF POPULATION.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, HERE WE GO.
THE SITE ITSELF, IT'S A 101 ACRE SITE, UH, AS POINTED OUT BY ZACH.
UH, AND IT, UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM BALL ANDRE, AND IT IS, UH, BISECTED, NOT, UH, IN HALF, BUT PROBABLY A THIRD WITH, WITH THE EXISTING RAILROAD TRACK.
UH, WE HAVE FRONTAGE TODAY OFF OF COSS GRAY ROAD, UH, WHICH WOULD SERVICE, I WOULD SAY, PORTION ONE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY IS TO THE, TO THE EAST HERE, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE DRAWING THAT, UH, WOULD CONTAIN, UH, UH, UNITS, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE, UH, SIMILAR SETBACKS FROM COSS GRAY, THAT, THAT, THAT ARE MIMICKING ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, WE WOULD HAVE AN ENTRY FEATURE THAT WOULD BE, UH, RELATIVELY, UH, SIMILAR TO ACROSS THE STREET AS FAR AS PONDS, WALLS, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WITH OUR HOMES FRONTING ON THAT.
SO YOU WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT THE, THE REARS OF HOMES WHEN YOU'RE ENTERING THIS, THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, WE'VE ALSO MAINTAINED A BUFFER ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK OF 200 FEET PLUS, UH, WANT TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING TREE ROW THAT'S ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK.
'CAUSE IT, IT PROVIDES A NATURAL BUFFER THAT'S THERE ALREADY, AND IT IS THE ONLY VEGETATION REALLY ON THAT SITE.
AND THEN SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH MOUNTING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND THEN PATHWAYS, UH, TO ESTABLISH THAT LINEAR, UM, UH, GREENWAY SYSTEM ALONG THIS RAILROAD TRACK.
THE OTHER SITE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ROADWAY ACCESS TO
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IT.UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A FIELD THAT, UH, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES, DOES, UH, CONTEMPLATE THAT THERE IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE THAT GOES THROUGH THERE, CONNECTING TU TO, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER ROAD THAT IT'S CONNECTING UP TO THERE TOO.
BUT, UM, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY COME THROUGH THIS SITE.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD BE A PHASED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SINCE MY CLIENT'S A SMALLER DEVELOPER, HE DOESN'T RELY ON SHAREHOLDERS.
HE'S ABLE TO HOLD PROPERTY AND, AND TO WAIT AND, AND TO GET THAT DONE.
UH, BECAUSE WE KNOW IT WON'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD AN OVERPASS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT
UH, AND THERE AREN'T UTILITIES THERE YET, BUT THE UTILITIES ARE THERE TO SERVE THIS SIDE.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THIS.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE'RE DEFINITELY IN TARGET WITH, WITH THE DENSITY.
UM, AND, AND, AND I THINK THE OVERALL, UM, YOU KNOW, USE OF THE OPEN SPACE AND WHERE WE'RE LOCATING IT AND THE AMENITIES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, I, I, I THINK COMPLIMENT BIT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR.
UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL EXAMPLES THAT WE PROVIDED ARE, AGAIN, ONES THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, CATERED MORE TOWARDS THE ORANGE TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT.
THEY ARE, QUOTE UNQUOTE MORE OF A FARM STYLE.
BUT, UH, THIS, THIS WAS WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THAT, THAT POINT IN TIME, UM, ONE THAT WANTED TO SEE.
AND WHEN WE TOOK THOSE CUES TO THIS, JUST TO SHOW YOU WHERE, AS A STARTING POINT, AGAIN, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT HOME SIZES THAT WERE LOOKING AT INITIALLY WITH, WITH VARIOUS FRONT ELEVATIONS AND THEN REAR TREATMENTS.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE THE SAME MODEL, YOU DON'T JUST HAVE THREE HOMES IN THERE.
WE, WE, WE CAN MIX IT UP AND, AND, AND, AND GET A NICE VARIETY IN THAT, IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
WITH THAT, I, YOU KNOW, I, THERE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT MORE TO ADD.
I REALLY WANNA HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY INSTEAD OF WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
WE'LL TURN THE TIME OVER, ZACH, MR. HESCHEL TO YOU FOR OUR CASE PRESENTATION.
UH, THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW, UH, WHICH IS AN OPTIONAL STEP FOR AN APPLICANT TO TAKE PRIOR TO THEM PURSUING A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
UH, SO THERE IS NO DETERMINATION TONIGHT.
IT IS SIMPLY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE SHOULD THIS TURN INTO A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT VERY GENERAL CONCEPTS HERE OF LAND USE DENSITIES.
DOES THIS USE MAKE SENSE HERE? UH, DO YOU LIKE AT LEAST WHAT IS BEING SHOWN AND, AND WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS DO YOU HAVE MOVING FORWARD? SO AS STATED, THIS IS 101 ACRES SITE CURRENTLY ZONED RURAL, UH, AND IS VACANT WITH SOME VEGETATION ON THE WESTERN PORTION AND THEN A HOMESTEAD UP ALONG COSS GRAY ROAD.
UH, THIS SITE IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO BALANCE TRAY, UH, WHICH I WILL TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON AS WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD WHEN LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THEN FUTURE LAND USE.
SO THIS SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SOUTHWEST AREA.
UH, THIS IS A SPECIAL AREA PLAN AND THE SITE SPECIFICALLY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHERE IT SITS AT WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THIS PLAN.
UH, THE GOAL WHEN THIS WAS CREATED WAS TO PROVIDE FOR EX AND, AND TO ANTICIPATE THE EXTENSION OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD, UH, WHICH REALLY IS THE CATALYST FOR A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING IN THIS AREA.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
THAT IS WHERE TUTTLE CROSSING IS CONCEPTUALLY SHOWN, UH, TO LAY OUT.
UH, THE, THE OTHER GOALS OF THIS WERE TO INCREASE HOUSING VARIETY AND STOCK TO PRESERVE ANY NATURAL FEATURES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING, UH, BUT ALSO TO PROVIDE AMENITIES AND SERVICES THAT ARE CURRENTLY LACKING IN THIS AREA, WHICH YOU KIND OF SEE AT THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT IMAGE, WHICH IS AROUND WHERE AMLIN CURRENTLY IS.
NOW, I DID NOTE THAT THIS IS CURRENTLY BEING RECONSIDERED WITH OUR ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN.
SO IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT, UH, THE VISION FOR THE SOUTHWEST AREA COULD CHANGE.
UH, IT COULD BE MODIFIED, THE LAND USES COULD BE MODIFIED, UH, LAYOUTS OF WHERE THINGS COULD GO CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE.
IT COULD BE REMAIN WHAT IS CURRENTLY OUT THERE.
SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER.
WE SHOULD HAVE AN IDEA ON WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, HOPEFULLY LATER THIS YEAR AS WE SOLIDIFY, UH, ENVISION DUBLIN.
SO JUST KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND AS YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH THIS TONIGHT.
UH, IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT TUTTLE CROSSING, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OF HOW THIS IS.
WE WON'T KNOW THE, THE FINAL CONFIGURATION UNTIL THAT IS STUDIED.
UH, THERE ARE OTHER PORTIONS OF THIS ROAD THAT STILL NEED TO COME INTO PLAY, UH, WITH SECTIONS ONE AND TWO.
I BELIEVE THAT PHASE ONE HAS CURRENTLY HAS A PRELIMINARY STUDY, PHASE TWO DOES NOT, UH, WHICH IS WHERE WE'VE SEEN SOME, SOME OTHER, UH, PROJECTS COME FORWARD IN THE PAST.
UH, THIS SLIDE SHOWS BOTH THE FUTURE LAND USE AND LAND USE PR LAND USE PRINCIPLES.
UH, THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY'RE BOTH ON THE SAME SLIDE AND IT
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TIES INTO THE FIRST QUESTION SIGN.AND PROBABLY THE MOST IMPACTFUL QUESTION FOR THIS APPLICATION.
SO THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED RESIDENTIAL RURAL TRANSITION.
SO THE TYPICAL DENSITY WOULD BE ABOUT ONE AND A HALF DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, WITHIN THIS DESIGNATION, UH, THIS DOES ENCOURAGE A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL WITH SMALL LOTS AND SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACE.
UM, IN CONTRAST THE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES, WHICH WERE ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL LAST YEAR TO, UH, CREATE SOMEWHAT OF A, UH, A BANDAID UNTIL WE DO ADOPT ENVISION DUBLIN.
UH, BUT IT PROVIDES PRINCIPLES TO GUIDE THE CITY IN, IN DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS THAT COME FORWARD.
UH, THE ONE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED HERE IS NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS RESERVING STRATEGIC ECONOMIC ASSETS, WHICH SPEAKS MOSTLY TOWARDS PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG RAILWAYS, UH, BUT ALSO FREEWAYS IN IDENTIFYING WHAT TYPES OF USES MAKE SENSE THERE.
UH, THE GOAL WAS TO, TO RESERVE THESE SPACES FOR ECONOMIC VITALITY, UH, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PHYSICAL HEALTH OF THE CITY, UH, WHILE LIMITING AND RESTRICTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE FUTURE LAND USE, UH, THAT IS CALLING FOR ONE THING.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES, WHICH WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER.
UH, SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY QUESTION TONIGHT IS DOES THIS SITE MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS AS IT DOES GENERALLY ALIGN WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE, BUT IS IN CONFLICT, UH, WITH THE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLE.
AND I WON'T DIVE TOO MUCH INTO THIS, UH, 'CAUSE TODD DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THIS, BUT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD, THERE ARE 63 LOTS, WHICH COMES IN AT ABOUT TWO DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
AND THEN WEST OF THE RAILROAD, WHICH IS 90 LOTS AND ABOUT 1.3 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, UH, THIS DOES ADOPT SEVERAL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE SOUTHWEST AREA WITH THE, UH, BUFFER ALONG THE RAILROAD, BUT ALSO BUFFERING ALONG COSWAY ROAD, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE BALANCE TRAIN NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WITH THAT, THERE ARE THREE QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
THE FIRST IS, IS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USE ALONG THE CSX RAILROAD? AGAIN, CONSIDERING THE, UH, THE PRINCIPLE VERSUS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
UH, THE SECOND IS REGARDING THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE, AND THE THIRD IS ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL INSPIRATION.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR EITHER THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF, MR. SCHNEER.
UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE DRAWING, THE RENDERINGS HERE WOULD ALL SUGGEST THEY'RE ALL FRONT LOAD GARAGES.
IS THAT THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
AND ARE THEY, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THESE ARE SORT OF RANCH, RANCH STYLE, UH, STORY, STORY AND A HALF, BUT YEAH, RANCH GENERALLY THERE MIGHT BE BONUS ROOMS ABOVE, BUT LIKE A SECOND BEDROOM ON WITH BASEMENTS OR CONCRETE SLAB OR, UH, THERE AREN'T BASEMENTS.
IT'D BE SLAB ON GRADE, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
ARE THEY BASEMENTS OR SLAB? THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, SLABS ON GRADE SLAB.
AND THEN, UM, A QUESTION FOR STAFF POINT OF CLARIFICATION, ARE WE, ARE WE JUST SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT SORT OF THE PHASE ONE GIVEN THAT'S JUST A QUESTION BECAUSE OF THE FUTURE ROAD AND OR YEAH.
SO PHASE ONE IS, IS PRACTICALLY MORE REASONABLE TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW JUST GIVEN THE UTILITIES ARE IN THE AREA.
PHASE TWO IS ENTIRELY DEPEN DEPENDENT ON TUTTLE CROSSING AND WHERE THAT LANDS.
UM, SO I WOULD CONSIDER THIS HOLISTICALLY IS WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING.
UM, ABSOLUTELY PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT PHASE ONE LOOKS LIKE VERSUS PHASE TWO.
UM, SO DEFINITELY CONSIDER BOTH, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT UTILITIES ARE MORE APPLICABLE AND, AND ARE CURRENTLY THERE FOR PHASE ONE OR THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD.
MS. HARTER, I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, I DIDN'T REALLY HEAR MUCH ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT CONNECTING BOTH OF THE AREAS AND IF THAT IS WHAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND WOULD THEY NEED TO LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME? LIKE WHEN WOULD YOU ALL COME BACK WITH US WITH A DIFFERENT WHOLE PROPOSAL? UH, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WE WOULD SEE THEM AS TWO SEPARATE COMMUNITIES.
SO THERE REALLY PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A CONNECTION.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT THE RAILROAD TRACK.
UM, THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO LOOK THE SAME.
MY GUESS IS BY THE TIME THAT THAT SECOND PHASE WERE TO HAPPEN, THERE WOULD BE A NEW EVOLUTION OF THAT ARCHITECTURE AT THAT POINT ANYWAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY I SEE PEOPLE KEEP THEIR ARCHITECTURE FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS BEFORE THEY NEED TO NEED TO REVAMP.
MS. HARDER ALSO AT BALANCE TRAY, THERE
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IS ANOTHER PATIO HOMES LIKE CATTYCORNER TO THAT, LIKE JUST THAT IS THERE TOO.ARE THOSE PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOURS LOOKS LIKE? I MEAN, THAT'S WHEN DRIVING OVER THERE AND LOOKING AT THAT, THEY SEEM VERY SIMILAR.
THAT, THAT, UH, SCHOTTENSTEIN DID THOSE, UM, THEY ARE SIMILAR.
UM, I THINK THEIRS ARE ALL WHITE.
I DON'T THINK OURS WILL BE ALL WHITE, BUT GENERALLY
THEY'RE MARKETING TO THE SAME CROWD AND THE SAME DEMOGRAPHIC.
AND ARE THE GARAGES TWO CAR GARAGES OR ARE THERE SOME ONE THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL TWO CAR GARAGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. WE, I'M JUST CURIOUS, HAVE YOU, HAD YOU CONSIDERED TRYING TO GET AN EASEMENT FROM CROSS GRAY TO THE WEST SITE, LIKE NOT CROSSING THE RAILWAY, THE SOUTH OF THE RAILWAY, I MEAN, YOU DON'T OWN THAT LAND, BUT HAVE, HAVE YOU APPROACHED OR CONSIDERED THAT YOU COULD GET ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY FROM THAT? UH, NO, WE HAVE NOT.
IS THERE ANY, THERE, THERE, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A WETLAND OR SOMETHING ON THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
IS THAT A, IS THAT A CONSTRAINT TO DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WE HAVEN'T DONE A, A FORMAL WETLAND STUDY.
THAT WETLAND COMES UP FROM THE, THE STANDARD GIS SO UNTIL THAT'S ACTUALLY CONFIRMED IN THE SITE, I, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN THOSE, BUT, UM, IT COULD BE, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF ROOM TO MOVE AROUND ON
BUT NO, THAT'S A GOOD POINT ABOUT AN EASEMENT TO ACCESS THAT FROM, FROM, FROM COSS GRAY.
UH, JUST SEEING THAT THAT IS NOT THAT LONG, LONG OF A DISTANCE.
THE ONLY ISSUE THOUGH IS WE STILL DON'T HAVE UTILITY SERVICE, SO WE'D STILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT.
WELL, PRESUMABLY THERE'S UTILITIES IN COS GRAY ROAD OR IS THAT NOT TRUE? THERE ARE UTILITIES ALONG COSS GRAY.
IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE UTILITY ACCESS AND ROADWAY ACCESS.
IT COULD BE, BUT THE PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS THE ONLY PORTION THAT'S TRIBUTARY TO THE SANITARY RIGHT NOW IS THIS, THIS TRIANGLE.
SO I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD ALLOW US TO TAKE IT INTO IT.
YEAH, IF I'M, THE REASON I ASK THAT IS, I'M SORRY.
YEAH, LET'S HAVE MR. HANSEL CLARIFY ON, SORRY, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
SO IF I MAY ADD TO THAT AS WELL, UH, ENGINEERING'S CURRENTLY DOING A STUDY OUT IN THIS AREA ABOUT FEASIBILITY OF UTILITIES AND WHAT'S ABLE TO BE SERVICED, WHAT MAY NEED UPSCALED.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S COMING.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S TIED TO THE ENVISION PLAN, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S SOMETHING SUPPLEMENTAL TO THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON.
SO THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS, IS REALLY YOU, YOU CALL IT PHASE TWO? WELL, IT'S THE, UM, THE FUTURE OF TUNNEL CROSSING BOULEVARD EXTENSION IS WAY OUT THERE.
UM, THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A, A, A LONG SHOT.
SO I WAS JUST THINKING THAT INSTEAD OF BEING AT A, A LONG PHASE TWO, WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT COULD, THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS AND UTILITY ACCESS SO THAT THE UH, THAT SECOND PHASE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN SOONER? AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE AND THE WEST SIDE IS PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I, IT'S, IT'S NOT ALMOST, WE CAN'T CONSIDER THAT, RIGHT? IS IT SO FAR OUT THERE? I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE GIVING ANY KIND OF FORMAL KIND OF YEAH, THAT LOOKS GOOD WITHOUT KNOWING AT ALL WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE EAST SIDE IS, IS LIKE A NO-BRAINER, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S THERE AND THERE'S UTILITY ACCESS, THERE'S ROAD.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE COULD CONSIDER AS A, AS A COMMISSION AND, AND WHETHER IT IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR WHAT OR NOT IS STILL UP FOR THE DEBATE OF THIS, THIS GROUP.
I, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT COMING IN WITH THE PROPOSAL FOR ALL OF THE PROPERTY SEEMS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A STRUGGLE FOR US TO EVEN GIVE YOU ANY KIND OF GUIDANCE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES THAT AREN'T THAT WE, THAT ARE WAY OUT THERE.
UM, SO, AND I THINK, AND FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT, THE COMMUNITY PLANS ARE REALLY GONNA START TO SET, UM, THE FUTURE OF THIS WHOLE AREA.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S A PROCESS THAT'S, THAT'S PLAYING OUT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE POINTS THINKING THAT IF YOU COULD GET ACCESS OFF OF COSWAY TO THE SOUTH OF THE RAILWAY AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD AN EASEMENT OR YOU BOUGHT THE LAND OR WHATEVER, THAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN THAT POSSIBLY COULD OPEN UP THIS PROPERTY SOONER THAN LATER AND THEN WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WHOLE THING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? MR. FISHMAN? I, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT IN HERE, BUT HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE THESE HOUSES? UM, THE BASE MODEL IS 1500 SQUARE FEET AND THEY GO UP TO 2200 SQUARE FEET.
AND IF YOU LOOK WITHIN OUR PACKET, I DIDN'T, THE FLOOR PLANS ARE KIND OF THE 1500 MODEL IS THE 1500 SQUARE FOOT, THE 1800 MODEL IS THE 1800 SQUARE.
PRETTY CREATIVE NAMING PROCESS WE HAVE GOING ON THERE.
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DECODED IT.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BRENT? MR. FISHMAN? YEAH, I, I I I, I NOTHING AGAINST THE DEVELOPER OR ANYTHING.
I, I I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO BE PRETTY CREATIVE IN THAT AREA.
YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 156 PEOPLE LIVING NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACK, UM, OR 156 HOUSES OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS THAT'S CLOSE TO THAT.
UM, AND, AND, UH, UM, I I, I THINK WE WANT THIS AREA, THIS DEVELOPMENT TO LAST LONG TERM.
AND SO I DON'T WANNA HEAR 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, OH, IT'S THOSE LITTLE HOUSES NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACK AND, AND, AND IT CHANGES.
I ALSO BELIEVE IT IS DUBLIN SCHOOLS, AND SO THEREFORE YOU'RE LOOKING TO ATTRACT F UH, 55 AND OVER.
BUT I BET YOU'RE GONNA ATTRACT A LOT OF MANY SINGLE PARENTS WITH A COUPLE KIDS THAT WANNA BE IN DUBLIN SCHOOLS AT, AT, AT A, YOU KNOW, AT A LOW PRICE.
SO, UH, NEXT TO A RAILROAD TRACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S COMPLETELY DESIRABLE.
SO, UM, AND, AND JUST FRANKLY, UM, I KNOW IT WAS RECOMMENDED AS RESIDENTIAL A LONG TIME AGO, BUT I WAS ALWAYS LEERY THAT, SO THAT MAY BE A GOOD COMMERCIAL AREA RATHER THAN HAVING PEOPLE LIVE NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACK, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S JUST MY FEEDBACK.
AND JUST ONE CALL OUT, MR. FISHMAN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BALL ANDRE IS HILLIARD SCHOOLS CURRENTLY, AND OF COURSE, HILLIARD AND DUBLIN SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE OUR FUTURE LAND USE AND THEY'RE AWARE AND INVOLVED IN THE ENVISION DUBLIN PROJECT.
I THINK THIS IS DUBLIN SCHOOLS, ISN'T IT? OR IS THIS HILLIARD SCHOOLS? EVEN THOUGH IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO BALL TREE, WHICH IS HILLIARD.
DO WE KNOW, I'M HEARING FROM THE AUDIENCE HILLIARD SCHOOLS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE ALLOW TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN GO INTO COMMISSION DELIBERATION TO CLARIFY THAT HILLIER SCHOOLS ARE DESIRABLE TOO.
I MEAN, SO I, I, I I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ATTRACTION FOR PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN.
THOSE KIDS ARE USUALLY OLDER THOUGH.
THEY HOLD 'EM BACK A FEW TIMES.
UM, AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO INVITE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT TO COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND, UM, ENSURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON, ON THE MICROPHONE.
SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
HAS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT COME IN VIA THE LIVE STREAM? ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO, THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMISSION DELIBERATION.
MS. HARDER, YOU WANNA START US OFF? SURE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND GIVING THIS, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR, UH, THIS NEW PROPOSAL AND THINK THROUGH SOME THINGS.
IT'S BRINGING US INTO THE FUTURE ON, UH, ON THAT WHOLE AREA.
AND, UH, AND IT, THAT AREA IS SO MUCH PROGRESSING AND THERE'S A LOT, UM, THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN QUICKLY.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THESE DECISIONS.
SO I AM CONCERNED, I THINK THE RAILROAD IS VERY CLOSE.
I WOULD NEED TO HAVE BETTER EDUCATION ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE SAFETY FOR THAT MANY PEOPLE LIVING BY THERE AS WELL AS, UM, ANY KIND OF, I MEAN, WE'VE GONE THROUGH PALESTINE AND SITUATIONS OF THAT SORT TOO.
UM, ALSO, UM, WHAT IS EXCITING IS THE AMTRAK EXPANSION THAT COULD BE COMING DOWN THE ROAD AND DUBLIN WANTS TO BE A FEATURE PLAYER IN THAT POSSIBLY.
AND YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE THINGS ALREADY SET IF THERE'S, IF, IF THERE'S A PROP OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT AS WELL TOO.
IF THERE'S OTHER FEDERAL RULES THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, WE SHOULD ALL KNOW ABOUT THOSE THINGS AS WELL TOO.
AND THEN, UM, I'M ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIG THING, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT NUMBER ONE.
AND THEN I GET TO, UM, I, I DON'T LIKE, UM, I LIKE SIDE LOADING GARAGES, LANDSCAPING FOR PRIVACY, NOT SO MANY OF THE FENCES FOR PRIVACY, BUT LANDSCAPING FOR PRIVACY.
UH, I THINK THINKING AHEAD ON THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS, UM, AND THEN, UM, EACH HOME TO ME SHOULD BE VERY INDIVIDUAL.
UH, WHATEVER YOU DO THAT, THAT PUTS SOMETHING ANOTHER MARK ON THAT.
I AM CONCERNED THAT ACROSS THE STREET LOOKS LIKE THE EXACT SAME THING AND IT REALLY FEELS OVERWHELMING ON THAT.
UM, I, I, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, MR. ROY TALKED ABOUT THAT IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT THIS WHOLE PACKAGE THE WAY IT'S COMING TO US TODAY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THE LANDSCAPING IS, IS QUITE IMPORTANT.
AND THEN, UM, UM, LET'S SEE IF I PUT THAT DOWN.
OH, JUST AGAIN, THE SAME PRODUCT BEING USED.
AND THEN IF YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, WITH BALANCE TRAY RIGHT THERE, THEY
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HAVE SO MANY FEATURES THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED.THEY HAVE THE TALL STONES, THINGS OF THAT SORT THAT, UM, COULD KIND OF BRING IN SOME CONNECTION THERE TOO.
UM, I THINK I, I LOOK AT RIVERSIDE RIVER ON RIVERSIDE, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT PATIO HOME COMMUNITIES AND DRIVING THROUGH THERE, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES, TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
AND, UM, AND SO WHEN I'M SAYING WHERE, WHERE WE'RE, WHERE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, YOU CAN REALLY WORK ON MAKING YOURS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT SO THAT THEN, UM, IT DOESN'T FEEL THAT SAME, SAME COMMUNITY.
BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UH, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN FOR OUR, UH, INFORMAL REVIEW.
UM, I, I THINK THE RAILROAD TRACKS IS, IS A, UM, IS A DIVIDE, UM, AS WE LOOK AT LAND USE, AND I THINK IT'S THE LOG LOGICAL DIVIDE BETWEEN, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND SOMETHING ELSE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL MAP THAT HAS IS TIED INTO THE, THE AREA PLAN.
AND YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THE BALL TRAY CHARACTER GETS EXTENDED OUT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND KIND OF COMPLETES THE TRIANGLE THAT AS YOU GO UP TO DARI FIELDS, UP TO SHIRE RINGS ROAD AND UP TO THE INNOVATION CENTER, I DON'T THINK COMING IN THERE WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF USE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, IT AGAIN PUTS A LOT OF, UH, EMPHASIS ON CO SGE ROAD TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAN A RESIDENTIAL STREET THROUGH THIS AREA.
AND I THINK THE FOLKS OF BALANCE TRAIN MIGHT THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THAT.
SO I THINK YOUR, YOUR, YOUR IDEA ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE TRACK IS THE RIGHT APPROACH.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT FITS IN FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT TO ME.
UM, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, HOWEVER, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, I THINK COULD BE SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
AND, UM, HAVING SPENT SOME TIME STUDYING THIS AREA, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ALIGNMENT OF TUNNEL CROSSING BOULEVARD IS GONNA HAVE A BIG, UM, IMPACT ON WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN THERE.
I REALLY DO STILL BELIEVE THAT THE AMLIN COMMUNITY, THE, THE VI CREATING THE VILLAGE AROUND THAT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HANG ON TO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT TRANSITION FROM AMLIN VILLAGE GOING TO THE NORTH, YOU GET INTO THE INNOVATION DISTRICT, AND NOW AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE'S THIS IDEA OF THE PASSENGER RAIL STATION AND THE LAND ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRACKS THERE, OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE PLANNING FOR THAT TO BE COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING.
SO I THINK THERE'S A TRANSITIONAL LAND USE HAPPENING IN HERE THAT CAN'T BE SORTED OUT UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD.
BUT I, I WOULD BE VERY OPEN FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRACKS FROM THE EAST.
I THINK THE EAST SHOULD BE FIT WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF ENTRE.
UM, AND THE, THE PARCEL THAT'S TO THE NORTH OF YOU, THAT IS ALSO UNDEVELOPED.
AGAIN, NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE OF THAT IS.
UM, THAT COULD BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A LOGICAL, UH, PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT OUT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND THEN I THINK TUNNEL CROSSING BOULEVARD, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE NEW AREA PLAN, ALL THAT'S GONNA BE DISCUSSED OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
WE MIGHT HAVE A BETTER SENSE THEN, BUT I THINK, UM, THE FUTURE OF THAT AREA IS GONNA CHANGE DRAMATICALLY.
AND I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD BE.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, MR. LAC, UM, I'M GONNA ECHO, UH, A GOOD BIT OF, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS GENERALLY ARE ARTICULATE.
THIS IS A NICE PACKAGE, RIGHT? FOR THIS STAGE OF THE GAME.
THIS IS A REALLY NICE PACKAGE, RIGHT? IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE A LOVELY COMMUNITY.
THE ARCHITECTURE IS, YOU KNOW, EARLY, BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S SORT OF TESTED AND TESTED IN THE DELAWARE, DELAWARE DISTRICT AND WE CAN QUIBBLE ALL DAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE ADJUST THE MATERIAL PAL A LITTLE BIT MORE TO A, TO, UM, TO MARRY AND MESH WITH THE, YOU KNOW, BALANCE RATE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITIES AROUND.
I I THINK THE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE ALL GRAPPLING WITH IS THERE'S A WEALTH OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT A FEW MAJOR, MAJOR INGREDIENTS HERE, RIGHT? UM, YOU DID GREAT WITH THE INGREDIENTS THAT YOU HAVE AT YOUR BEHEST, BUT THERE'S A WEALTH OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE INGREDIENTS, THE TUTTLE CROSS OR TUTTLE EXTENSION BEING ONE OF 'EM, THE RAILWAY SYSTEM AND WHAT THAT MEANS RELATIVE TO ALL THIS.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO, HARD TO, HARD TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE, ANY OF US WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH COMMITMENT ON SPECIFICALLY THE WEST SIDE OF THINGS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, NEAREST COSS GRAY, UM, RIGHT AGAIN TO MR. UH, MR. WADE'S COMMENTARY THAT FEELS LIKE IT WANTS TO BE RESIDENTIAL, THAT IT WANTS TO SORT OF BLEED AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, UM, BLEED FOR A BIT AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING
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TO HAPPEN DIFFERENT, IT'LL HAPPEN ON THE OTHER SIDE RELATIVE TO THE, THE RAILWAY AND THE THOROUGHFARE AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IMPENDING A WEALTH OF THE OTHER IMPENDING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S SORT OF BEEN PERCOLATING UP.SO, UM, THAT'S ALL TO SAY KUDOS.
UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF US ARE HOLDING OUR BREATH ON THE, SPECIFICALLY THE WEST SIDE OF, OF THIS RELATIVE YEAH.
RELATIVE TO THE TIMING OF SOME OF THOSE INGREDIENTS WE JUST TOUCHED ON.
UM, BUT MAYBE THAT'S AS MUCH US ARTICULATING PERMISSION TO THINK OF THEM AS, THINK OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE TWO PARCELS SEPARATELY AND, UM, DEAL WITH THEM FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.
I, I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES, UH, EVERYTHING THEY'VE SAID, UH, THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING I DISAGREE WITH.
UM, I, I JUST DON'T, I THINK IT'S, IT, I DON'T, UH, AGREE WITH THE USE.
UH, I, I, I ESPECIALLY SAID ON THE, UH, UH, WEST SIDE BECAUSE, UM, I I THINK IT'S A BUNCH OF SMALL, YOU KNOW, LITTLE HOUSES JAMMED AGAINST THE RAILROAD TRACK, EVEN THOUGH IT'S REALLY NOT AGAINST THE RAILROAD TRACK, IT'S, IT, IT'LL BE PERCEIVED THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S AGAINST THE RAILROAD TRACK AND, AND, AND, UM, UM, I, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S TOO MANY HOUSES, TOO MANY UNITS, UH, IN THAT SPACE, UM, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT BALANCE RATE THERE AND YOU'VE GOT AMLIN AND IT, IT DOESN'T FIT THAT KER AT ALL, EVEN THOUGH YOU DO HAVE THE MIS DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AND THAT'S A MUCH SMALLER, UH, DEVELOPMENT, I THINK.
UM, SO, UM, I THINK IT, I THINK YOU GOTTA BE REALLY CREATIVE AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A CHALLENGING SITE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RAILROAD TRACK, RIGHT? RAILROAD TRACK COULDN'T BE IN A WORSE PLACE FOR THAT
SO, UH, YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU THINK, WELL, YOU KNOW, UH, SO, UH, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A CHALLENGE.
I I, I THINK YOUR HEART'S IN THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT I THINK THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING REALLY CREATIVE, UH, LESS DENSE, UM, AND, AND A REASON TO BE THERE NEAR THE RAILROAD TRACK RATHER THAN JAM 156 HOUSES IN THAT AREA.
SO THANK YOU, MR. I, IT'S A GOOD EFFORT.
UM, I'M TRYING TO ORGANIZE MY THOUGHTS AND I'M ALL OVER THE PLACE ON THIS, SO I'LL TRY TO BE COGENT.
UM, I THINK, THINK MR. WADE DESCRIBED IT WELL.
I I THINK IT'S JUST A LOGICAL EAST SIDE, WEST SIDE IDEA HERE, AND IT, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF SOLOMON LIKE WISDOM BECAUSE IT, IF YOU DID USE THE EAST SIDE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND RESERVED THE WEST SIDE FOR SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL, THEN IT PRESERVES SORT OF THE OPTIONALITY OF THE RAILROAD IF, IF THAT WERE EVER COME TO PASS.
SO I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF RESIDENTIAL ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT NOT, NOT ON THE WEST SIDE.
SO NOT EVEN FOCUS ON THE EAST SIDE.
AND, AND HERE'S WHERE THE, THE LAMBA SLASH PARADOX, UM, TH THESE DESIGNS ARE NICE.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SORT OF, SORT OF HO HUM AND MAYBE BECAUSE ON ONE HAND IT'S NEAR A RAILROAD, IT'S SORT OF NEEDS TO BE THAT WAY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, WE'VE, WE'VE CONSTANTLY, UM, ASKED APPLICANTS TO SORT OF RAISE THE BAR ABOUT WHAT COULD BE DONE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
SO LEMME START BY SAYING, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE DENSITY.
IT'S, COULD THIS BE A, A VERY DIFFERENT LOOKING DEVELOPMENT? BECAUSE IT IS SORT OF THE, THE, THE, THE LAST FRONTIER, THE LAST GROWTH AREA.
IT, IT, IT'S ALL THE OTHER PATIO HOME OR, OR OVER 55 COMMUNITIES.
I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE NEAR ONES, NEAR MUIRFIELD, IT'S THE, THE IN ONES ARE ALL BUILT OUT.
SO WE'RE STEPPING OUT, WHAT CAN YOU DO DIFFERENTLY THERE? NOW, ON ONE HAND, OKAY, THERE'S A RAILROAD THERE, YOU KNOW, WHO WANTS TO PAY? ARE, ARE THERE, IS THERE A MARKET FOR SORT, YOU KNOW, UPSCALE 55 PLUS IF YOU'RE AGAINST A RAILROAD? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 765 KILL VOLT POWER LINES GOING THROUGH PARTON AND THERE'RE, I MEAN, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MULTIMILLION DOLLAR HOMES THAT ARE LITERALLY, YOU CANNOT NOT SEE A HIGH VOLTAGE POWER LINE GOING THROUGH THERE.
UM, SO IT HASN'T, IT HASN'T HEARD THE MARKET VALUE THERE.
SO I, I AM FORTUNATELY NOT IN YOUR BUSINESS.
UM, BUT UH, IF YOU COULD ANSWER, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR OWN SATISFACTION THAT QUESTION, IT, YES, THERE'S A RAILROAD, BUT YES, THIS IS ALSO
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REALLY WELL CITED.AND NEXT TO BALANCE TRAY AND A MORE, AGAIN, UPSCALE IS, IS TOTAL, YOU KNOW, IS IS THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER IN VARIOUS OBJECTIVE, BUT THE IDEA OF, OF NOT FRONT LOAD GARAGES, JUST SOMETHING THAT, UM, ARCHITECTURALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOOKED AT SORT OF IN TOWN NEIGHBORHOODS INSTEAD OF THE TRADITIONAL SORT OF WINDING CUL-DE-SAC SORT OF THINGS, BUT SOMETHING THAT, UM, HAS AN ARCHITECTURE THAT MAY BE UNIQUE TO THIS, TO US, BUT IS NOT UNIQUE TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.
AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THOSE KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES.
SO A POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, ALMOST A MORE URBAN IN A SUBURBAN SETTING WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING POTENTIALLY.
UM, SO PERSPECTIVE MATTERS, RIGHT? SO IF WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, IT WAS ESTABLISHED THINKING THAT THE WEST SIDE WAS STILL GOING TO BE THE RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THIS WAS TRANSITIONAL TO THAT RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO USING THAT LENS, WHAT I LOOK AT THE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO DICHOTOMY, UM, PHASE ONE IS HIGHER DENSITY.
SO YOUR OVERALL DENSITY IS 1.5, WHICH MAXES OUT OUTPUT THE THEORETICAL RURAL TRANSITION.
BUT THE EAST SIDE OF THAT IS HIGHER DENSITY, AND THE LOW, THE WEST SIDE IS LOWER DENSITY.
SO LOOKING THROUGH THE PERSPECTIVE OF RURAL TRANSITION, I DON'T THINK THE EAST SIDE MEETS THE, THE DEMAND.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOW THE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KIND OF DO THE BANDAID BETWEEN OLD AND NEW, AND ONE OF THE MOST CALLED OUT ITEMS IS THE MOST CONNECTED CITY.
DUBLIN WANTS TO BE THE MOST CONNECTED CITY.
AND AS YOU POINTED OUT, THIS ONE REALLY POSES A CHALLENGE TO MEETING THAT BECAUSE OF THE RAILWAY, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF UTILITIES, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF LACK OF CONNECTIVITY.
AND SO, MR WE POINTED OUT, HEY, THERE MIGHT BE SOME CREATIVITY HERE, BUT AS THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW, I THINK ONE OF THE, THE REQUESTS FROM THE COMMISSION WOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION INTO CAN THAT BE OVERCOME? ARE WE REALLY LOOKING AT A, YOU KNOW, 30 ACRE DEVELOPMENT OR ARE WE LOOKING AT A HUNDRED ACRE DEVELOPMENT? UH, THE THINGS THAT I SEE AS POSITIVES IN, IN THE APPLICATION TREE ROWS, THOSE BEING PRESERVED, ANYTIME WE CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE NATURAL RESOURCES PRESERVED, ENHANCED, AND EMBRACED WITHIN A COMMUNITY, YOU SEE HEAD NODS FROM THE COMMISSION.
THE OPEN SPACE, THE OVERALL OPEN SPACE IN THE COMMUNITY LOOKS LOVELY.
UH, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OBVIOUSLY ARE THE RAILROAD.
MR. WEY AND I BOTH SIT ON THAT ENVISION DUBLIN COMMITTEE, AND WE HAVE ATTENDED MANY, MANY MEETINGS.
WE'VE TALKED TO MANY STAKEHOLDERS, AND THIS WEST SIDE IS GOING TO CHANGE WHERE IT USED TO BE THIS RURAL TRANSITION, THAT'S WHAT THE FUTURE HELD, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE PLANNING FOR.
WE HAVE A UNIVERSITY CENTER UP IN THE NORTH SIDE BY THAT COSTCO AREA.
IT IS THE INNOVATION DISTRICT, AND IT IS TRANSFORMING, AND IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME A, A MINI CITY CENTER ON YOUR SOUTHWEST.
YOU HAVE THE EXACT SAME THING GOING ON WITH THE AMLIN COMMUNITY.
IT COULD BECOME A MINI CITY CENTER.
SO THIS NO LONGER IS A RURAL TRANSITION.
IT'S A CITY CENTERED TO CITY CENTER TRANSITION.
SO YES, WE HAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE ENTRE, BUT RIGHT NOW, GIVEN THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE IN, GIVEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE BEGINNING OF 2024, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY HOW EVERYTHING'S GOING TO SHAKE OUT, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GONNA SHAKE OUT THE WAY THAT WE ANTICIPATED 15 YEARS AGO.
SO I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THAT YOU'RE COMING FORWARD FOR INFORMAL REVIEW.
AS YOU POINTED OUT, YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR AND STAFF SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMISSION'S GONNA TELL YOU.
THAT'S BECAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE, UH, ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE OPEN.
AND SO I WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME AND TO HEAR SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
THE LAND USE PRINCIPLES, THE, THE, UH, INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES THAT WE PASSED HELP US TO GUIDE OUR DECISIONS.
BUT THOSE MEETINGS IN ENVISION DUBLIN ARE KIND OF THE PRE-CODE, THE PRE-PASS OF WHAT WE ANTICIPATE HAPPENING ON THAT WEST SIDE OF THE CITY.
UM, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW.
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC, THEN WE'D LIKE TO KNOW.
SO NO VOTE TONIGHT, I TAKE IT, RIGHT?
UM, THE RAILROAD TRACKS REALLY DON'T CONCERN US THAT MUCH.
I'VE DONE STUFF FOR, FOR ROMANELLI AND HUGHES AND YOU NAME IT, AND THEY, THEY PUT 'EM 20, 30 FEET AWAY FROM RAILROAD.
I MEAN, THAT ONE THROUGH POWELL, EVERYBODY THINKS THAT'S
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GREAT.I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE BUSIEST TRAIN TRACKS THERE IS IN THE WORLD, BUT THEY LIKE TO LIVE ON IT THERE.
SO THE TRAIN TRACKS REALLY DON'T.
200 FEET'S A PRETTY GOOD BUFFER.
UH, BUT I, WE CAN OVERCOME A LOT OF THAT STUFF, BUT, BUT THE WEST SIDE IS DIFFICULT AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WHAT WE SHOW IS PROBABLY NOT WHAT YOU GUYS WANT IN THE FUTURE.
AND, AND, UH, WE JUST HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT HE CAN CARRY FORWARD WITH, WITH JUST 30 ACRES OR WHATEVER THAT THE NUMBER IS AND, AND, AND HOLD THAT FOR, FOR, FOR FUTURE, FOR THE FUTURE.
AGAIN, HE HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT SINCE HE DOESN'T HAVE STAKEHOLDERS, WHICH IS GOOD.
IT PROBABLY HAS MORE VALUE THAN ONE AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE WITH, WITH THIS.
UH, BUT, BUT THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE'LL HAVE.
BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE FRONT LOAD OF GARAGES AND THE MORE CREATIVITY.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT POTENTIALLY WE CAN DO, BUT OTHER THINGS WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU IN THE TIME TO COME.
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ALONG IN OUR AGENDA, WE DO HAVE DISCUSSION ITEMS. WE HAVE A VERY EXCITING THANK YOU.I KNOW THIS IS A LOT OF EFFORT, THE BUILDING MATERIALS DATABASE, UH, AS AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION OR AS YES, INFORMAL DISCUSSION.
SO THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
TONIGHT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS THE BUILDING MATERIALS DATABASE.
HERE IS A QUICK BACKGROUND FOR THE BUILDING MATERIALS DATABASE.
AT THE JUNE, 2022 JOINT WORK SESSION, PCC MEMBERS EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE LONGEVITY AND THE CY OF THE BUILDING MATERIALS, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE BRIT STREET DISTRICT.
THE COMMISSION REQUESTED ADDITIONAL MEASURES AND INFORMATION RELATED TO THE BUILDING MATERIALS TO MAKE MORE INFORMED DECISIONS AND REQUESTED ACCESS TO SOME ARCHITECTURAL EXPERTISE.
BASED ON THE REQUEST, THE CITY HIRED AN ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT LAST YEAR AND STAFFS STARTED WORKING ON CREATING A DATABASE.
TONIGHT, STAFF WILL SHARE THE DATABASE, WHICH INCLUDES THE PCC APPROVED BUILDING MATERIALS FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS WITHIN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE PURPOSE OF THE DATABASE IS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AS WELL AS TO THE STAFF ON ALL THE MATERIALS WHICH WERE APPROVED, INSTALLED, RANGING FROM THE TRADITIONAL BUILDING MATERIALS TO THE NEW MATERIALS.
THIS INFORMATION IS INTENDED TO BE USED AS A REFERENCE FOR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WITH SAME OR SIMILAR MATERIAL.
STAFF ALONG WITH THE CONSULTANT WOULD ANALYZE THESE MATERIALS BASED ON THE PERFORMANCE, CRAFTSMANSHIP, AESTHETIC APPEARANCE, AS WELL AS THE LONGEVITY.
AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE MATERIALS VIABILITY.
SORRY, I THINK THERE'S SOME TECHNICAL.
AS SHARED IN THE MEMO, THE DATABASE FORMAT INCLUDES MATERIALS APPROVED FOR EACH YEAR FOR ALL ZONING DISTRICTS, AND FURTHER INTO THE BUILDING ELEMENTS LIKE ROOF, WALL, SIDING, WINDOW ELEMENTS, STONE SLIDING, ET CETERA.
IT IS AN EASILY TRACKABLE EXCEL SHEET THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALL THE ZONING DISTRICTS CASE HISTORY, AS WELL AS OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE DETAILS.
WITH ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED MATERIALS WILL BE TRACKED DOWN AND THEN FURTHER EVALUATED AND STAFF WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE REUSE OF THOSE MATERIALS.
AS AN EXAMPLE, GIVEN OUR RECENT TOUR, THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, WE'LL ANALYZE THE FEW EXAMPLES, WHICH, WHICH WE SAW DURING THE WALKING TOUR.
SEE HERE ARE SOME OF THE PHOTOS WITHIN THE BRI STREET DISTRICT.
THE MATERIALS APPROVED WERE ALL HIGH QUALITY AND VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE CALCIUM SILICATE MASONRY IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY MATERIALS THAT WAS APPROVED AND IS HOLDING UP REALLY WELL, EXCEPT AT A FEW PLACES WHERE STAINING IS VERY PROMINENT.
THIS HAS MAINLY HAPPENED IN THE AREAS WHICH IS NEAR THE LANDSCAPING.
THE QUALITY OF THIS MATERIAL IS AT, IT TENDS TO ABSORB MOISTURE AND IT SHOULD BE AVOIDED AT A GRADE LEVEL AND AREAS WHICH ARE NEAR THE HIGH MOISTURE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REEVALUATED.
WHEN THE FUTURE MATERIAL APPLICATION COMES IN AT THE PHOTO, WE CAN ALSO SEE THE FACADE OF EXCHANGE.
THE MATERIAL IS HOLDING UP VERY WELL, EXCEPT THERE IS A STAINING
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WHERE THE SIGNAGE IS.THIS IS POSSIBILITY DUE TO THE MAINTENANCE OR THE POOR QUALITY OF THE MATERIALS, WHICH WERE USED FOR THE SIGN INSTALLATION.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE CAN USE, SEE THE USE OF SUSPENDED WOOD CEILING, WHICH IS AGAIN, A VERY HIGH QUALITY MATERIAL.
IT IS A COMPOSITE MODE, WHICH IS LOW MAINTENANCE, AND IT'S GENERALLY WATER AND FATE RESISTANT.
BUT THEN THE QUALITY IS, IT IS RESISTANT TO EXTRACTIVE BLEEDING WHEN IT IS NOT MAINTAINED SEEN DURING THE TOUR, AS WELL AS THE BLEEDING OF THE METAL RAILINGS, WHICH WAS SEEN AT THE VARIOUS PLACES, AND WE SAW IT WHILE WE WERE ON THE WALKING TOUR.
IT APPEARS THAT THE CHOICE OF THE MATERIALS, AS WELL AS THE INSTALLATION HAS IMPACTED THE AESTHETIC QUALITY IN A FEW OF THE PLACES.
THE STAINING IS POSSIBLY A RESULT OF AN INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL COATING OR CHOICES THAT WE USE FOR PROTECTION, WHICH IS SOMETHING TO BE DISCUSSED AND EVALUATED WITH ANY FUTURE INSTALLATIONS SEEN DURING THE TOUR IS ALSO FEW OF THE BLEEDING AT OTHER MATERIALS, WHICH WE ARE SEEING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IN THE PHOTO, WHICH IS THE STAINING OF THE BRICK WALL.
THIS IS, AGAIN, POSSIBLY DUE TO THE INADEQUATE COATING WHICH HAS RESULTED IN BLEEDING AND LEAVING MARKS ON HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS SUCH AS BRICK ON THE LIFT, THE STAINING ON THE TOPMOST BALCONIES, WHICH ARE SEEN, IT COULD BE A RESULT OF AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, SO IT IS NOT COVERED FROM THE TOP, OR IT COULD BE A RESULT OF A DRAINAGE PROBLEM OR MAYBE A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN WE WITH THE FUTURE INSTALLATIONS.
AND LASTLY, HERE ON THE SIDE ON THE LEFT, WE CAN SEE THE WOOD SITE DETAILING.
WE CAN SEE THAT IT'S BEEN WEATHERING AND WHILE WE WALK, WE ARE ON THE WALKING TOUR.
WE DID NOTICE THAT, AND IT'LL REQUIRE MAINTENANCE OR REPLACEMENT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY THE BTU WOOD OR THE RED BAU WOOD, AND IT WAS APPROVED FOR A LOCATION.
IT IS ONE OF THE MOST CURABLE WOOD, WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET TODAY AS COMPARED TO THE COMPOSITE WORLD.
EVEN THOUGH THE MAINTENANCE IS MINIMAL, IT DOES REQUIRE A SPECIFIC MAINTENANCE TECHNIQUES AND INCLUDES PERIODIC WASHING AS WELL AS ANNUAL FINISHING TO MAINTAIN THE NATURAL COLORS.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE CAN SEE THE BLEEDING OF SOME BALCONIES, WHICH WE SAW DURING THE TOUR AS WELL.
THIS BLEEDING APPEARS TO BE DUE TO THE INSTALLATION OF EITHER THE MATERIALS OR MAYBE THE DANISH PROBLEMS, OR AGAIN, A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
THERE WAS A USE OF FIBER CEMENT PANELS, WHICH ARE VERY HIGH QUALITY PANELS, HOWEVER THEY NEED TO BE INSTALLED WITH RIGHT DETAILS, AND IF THE FITTING IS NOT PROPER, THIS IS WHAT THE RESULT COULD BE.
SO BASED ON THESE EXAMPLES, WE CAN INFER HOW THE CHOICES OF MATERIALS IS IMPACTED BY THE LOCATION, AS WELL AS THE APPROPRIATENESS.
THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, ALONG WITH THE CRAFTSMANSHIP, IMPACTS THE DURABILITY AS WELL AS THE ACIDIC APPEARANCE, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE MAINTENANCE OR THE EASE OF MAINTENANCE OF THOSE MATERIALS.
BASED ON THIS APPROACH, STAFF WILL EVER EVALUATE ALL THE NEW MATERIALS WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT HERE TONIGHT AS WELL, WHO WILL BE ABLE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE WEIGHING IN MORE IF REQUIRED.
AND WITH THIS, WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION CUSHIONS FOR THE COMMISSION MEMBERS TONIGHT TO THE DATABASE.
AND THE MATERIAL ANALYSIS MEETS THE EXPECTATIONS, IS THE APPROACH TO ANALYZE THE MATERIALS APPROPRIATE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED OR ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BY THE COMMISSION.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU.
I, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LABOR OF LOVE THAT WENT INTO THIS.
MAYBE NOT LOVE ALL THE TIME, BUT, UH, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT.
I'D LIKE TO LOOK TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR STAFF, IS LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK.
THEY HAVE OUTLINED SOME QUESTIONS, UH, BUT WE WANNA HEAR FROM THE COMMISSION.
IS IT HELPFUL? WHAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE HELPFUL? THAT SORT OF THING.
SO, MR. SCHNEER, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT EFFORT, LONG OVERDUE, UM, FOR ALL OF US.
I ASSUME BECAUSE YOU'RE KEEPING A DATABASE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN EXCEL.
WW WILL YOU BE ABLE TO SORT, SO IF AN APPLICATION COMES IN AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, MATERIAL X, Y, Z, YOU WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO SORT IN SEARCH FOR WHAT OTHER BUILDINGS USED THAT SAME
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MATERIAL, AND THEN YOU COULD SEE WHERE IT WAS USED IN ANY, ANY HISTORY AND COMMENTS.SO WHEN, UM, A NEW PROPOSAL OR A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES IN WITH SOME MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT VERY FREQUENTLY USED OR WHICH ARE VERY NEAR, WE WILL LOOK INTO THE DATABASE AND EVEN WITH THE OTHER MATERIALS AS WELL, HOW IT WAS COMBINED WITH THE OTHER MATERIALS AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE WE SAW WITH THE BREAK AS WELL AS THE METAL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TRACK DOWN WHEN IT WAS APPROVED AND GET OUT MORE DETAILS.
WAS IT APPROVED WITH A WAIVER? WHY WAS IT APPROVED? AND THEN MAKE ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE CURRENT SCENARIO IS AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE FUTURE.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, HOW MANY SEPARATE LINE, HOW, HOW MANY, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT MATERIALS IF THEY'RE PRIMARY, SECONDARY, I MEAN, ARE WE TA PROBABLY HUNDREDS OR LESS THAN A HUNDRED? IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY, BUT MAYBE NOT FIVE HUNDREDS, BUT FIVE, YEAH, I DUNNO.
I THINK LESS THAN THAT, YEAH, BECAUSE SOME OF THE COMMONLY APPROVED MATERIALS ARE STONE AND GLASS AND, UM, WITHIN THE BRI CREEK DISTRICT, THERE IS A VERY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A VERY PROMINENT USE OF CALCIUM, SILICATE, MASONRY AS WELL AS THE COMPOSITE METAL, METAL, UH, METAL PANELS.
SO THOSE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN VERY REPETITIVE USED EVEN WITHIN THE BRI STREET DISTRICT AS WELL AS ACROSS THE CITY.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT ONCE WE FILTER DOWN, MAYBE WE'LL COME TO MUCH LESSER THAN THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE PICTURES TO ME ARE REALLY TELLING, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IT'S NOT THE MATERIAL AT ALL.
EITHER THE DETAILING WASN'T DONE CORRECTLY OR THE CONTRACTOR DIDN'T INSTALL IT CORRECTLY.
AND AGAIN, I'VE, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF IT IN MY OWN BUSINESS WHERE THINGS WERE INSTALLED UPSIDE DOWN AND THEY BECAME A WATER COLLECTOR VERSUS A WATER REPELLER.
I SEE THOSE BRACKETS THAT ARE COMING DOWN FROM THE BRIDGES THAT, AND THEY'RE, YOU COULD SEE WATER IS, IS, IS COMING DOWN ONTO THAT FLAT SURFACE AND SHOOTING DOWN AND THEN HAS TO, IT'S AGAIN, IT'S, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A BOX AND NOT A, YOU KNOW, AN I-BEAM.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN IMPACT THE, THE, THE DETAILING IS THAT WE DON'T GET INTO THE DETAILING PART OF IT.
UM, BUT ALL THOSE MATERIALS, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF IT, I DON'T SEE THAT THE, IT WAS THE MATERIAL'S FAULT.
A LOT OF IT IS WATER, FINDING A WAY TO INAPPROPRIATELY WASH DOWN A MATERIAL AND THEN CREATE STAINING AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO, UM, SO, SO THAT'S JUST ONE, ONE COMMENT.
COULD, COULD I PIGGYBACK ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT, UH, POINT.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS NOT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THEY'RE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE THINGS.
HOWEVER, PLANNING AND BUILDING CORRESPOND, THEY COMMUNICATE ALL THE TIME.
UH, UH, A MATERIAL COULD BE APPROVED, IT COULD BE WONDERFUL.
AND GIVEN THE WRONG INSTALLATION, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE IMAGES WE JUST SAW IN A MATTER OF TIME.
SO AS YOU'RE CREATING THE DATABASE, ARE THERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU'RE FLAGGING THAT ARE MORE COMMON THAN OTHERS FOR INCORRECT, UM, INSTALLATION AND COMMUNICATING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SO THAT THEY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION DURING THEIR INSPECTIONS.
AND IF IT ISN'T INSTALLED CORRECTLY, IT DOESN'T GET THE PERMIT OR IT DOESN'T GET THE CO OR SOMETHING ELSE? YES, ACTUALLY, WE DID NOTICE, SO SOME OF THE MATERIALS WHICH WERE REPEATEDLY WASHING, WE COULD SAY THAT IT WAS AN IMPROPER MATERIAL.
LIKE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE POWDER COATING ON, ON THOSE RAILS, WE DID APPROVE THEM, THEY DID GET INSTALLED.
BUT NOW IF WE ARE SEEING IT THAT IT'S REPEATEDLY HAPPENING, ARE WE GOING TO APPROVE IT IN THE FUTURE? OR ARE WE GOING TO PUT MAYBE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR THAT, THAT THEY NEED TO BE CODED, THEY NEED TO BE MORE APPROPRIATE SO THAT IT DOESN'T BLEED AND TAKE PRECAUTIONS FROM THERE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING PROBABLY WE NEED TO WORK IN COORDINATION WITH BUILDING STANDARDS, OR THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE, CALL OURSELVES THAT, DO WE WANT TO APPROVE THOSE MATERIALS IN THE FUTURE OR NOT? AND THEN WILL THE DATABASE BE A, UM, ACCESSIBLE BY APPLICANTS? SO IF AN APPLICANT COMES FORWARD AND SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW, I, I WANNA INSTALL THIS, I-BEAM, AND THEY CAN SEE, HEY, I-BEAMS IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN HAVE A TENDENCY, IF NOT POWDER COATED, IF NOT, YOU KNOW, INSTALLED CORRECTLY.
THEY HAVE A TENDENCY TO LOOK LIKE THIS WITH OR WE WITHOUT THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL ON OUR SIDE.
AND WITH OR WITHOUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BEING ON NOTICE TO PAY ATTENTION TO HAVE THE APPLICANT UPFRONT AWARE OF THE CONCERN.
WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT WE CAN MAKE IT AVAILABLE ONLINE AND IT COULD BE A GREAT RESOURCE FOR ANY APPLICANT AS WELL.
LIKE WE SAID, IT'S A GREAT RESOURCE FOR THE STAFF AS WELL AS OUR CONSULTANT AND OF COURSE FOR YOU GUYS.
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RESOURCE FOR ANYONE WHO'S COMING IN WITH A NEW APPLICATION AND A NEW MATERIAL TO SEE THAT AND THEN SEE WHAT THE CURRENT SCENARIO IS.IS, IS THAT WHAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT IN OUR BUILDING? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S LOOKING APPROPRIATE? IS THAT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING? IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT? SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK ON IT.
UM, SO THE O THE OTHER, I HAVE TWO OTHER POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE.
UM, AND THIS ONE IS, UM, DO, DOES THE CITY USE PEER REVIEW OF, OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AT ALL, OR IS IT RELIED TOTALLY ON THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO REVIEW DRAWINGS AND COMMENT TO THE APPLICANT OR THE, SO THERE ARE CITY EMPLOYEES THAT REVIEW BUILDING PERMITS.
THERE ARE ALSO THEN CONSULTANT, UM, GROUPS THAT RE REVIEW CERTAIN APPLICATIONS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD CALL PEER REVIEW.
SO A LOT OF CITIES, YOU MM-HMM,
AND AGAIN, THAT ARE LOOKING INDEPENDENTLY AT A SET OF DOCUMENTS THAT AREN'T DRIVEN BY A CLIENT AND BUDGETS AND DEADLINES AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT FOR THE CONSTRUCTABILITY AND DURABILITY AND HOW THEY HANDLE WATER, YOU KNOW, SEALANTS AND EVERYTHING.
I, I I ASSUME THAT'S A, THAT'S A, UM, PRO PART OF THE PROCESS THAT HOPEFULLY WILL GET TO GOOD PRODUCT, A GOOD OUTCOME, BUT WE'RE SEEING THINGS THAT AREN'T.
THE, THE THIRD THING WAS, UM, UNDER PER, HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE PERFORMANCE AS ONE OF YOUR CATEGORIES THAT WAS IN YOUR PRESENTATION OF MATERIALS? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU ASK THAT AGAIN? THAT YOU, YOU HAVE PERFORMANCES LISTED AS ONE OF THE CATEGORIES OF APPROVING A, A PARTICULAR MATERIAL.
HOW DO YOU DEFINE PERFORMANCE? I WOULD SAY THE PERFORMANCE OF MOST OF THE MATERIALS, IF THAT'S WHAT WE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S BEING GREAT AT MOST OF THE PLACES.
IT'S JUST THE INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL AT THE IMPRO INAPPROPRIATE LOCATION.
SO THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING THAT RESULT OF THAT IS HAPPENING AND CAUSING, YOU KNOW, THE FACES OF THE FSAS THAT WE SAW.
SO THERE WASN'T ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE MATERIAL, IT WAS JUST THE CHOICE OF THE MATERIAL AT THAT PARTICULAR SPOT, WHICH WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE JUST BECAUSE THE MATERIAL QUALITY DID NOT ALLOW IT TO BE THERE.
AND, AND THAT HAS IMPACTED IN, YOU KNOW, RESULTING IN WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE FACADES.
SO IT'S MORE LIKE FUNCTIONALLY KIND OF OF FUNCTIONALITY OF THE MATERIAL.
SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY OF MATERIALS, LIKE MATERIALS THAT ARE SUSTAINABLE, THAT THEY'RE BUILT WITH, YOU KNOW, ZERO CARBONS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A CATEGORY THAT WE SHOULD START TO CONSIDER, UM, AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE OF HOW CAN WE START TO SELECT MATERIALS THAT HELP US GET TO CARBON NEUTRALITY AND ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABILITY GOALS THAT THE WORLD IS TRYING TO GET TO.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT COMES WITH A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER ISSUES BECAUSE A LOT OF SUSTAINABLE, SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MAY HAVE ISSUES IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTABILITY AND PERFORMANCE AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK THROUGH.
SO I'D, IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO HAVE THAT AS IN YOUR SPREADSHEET OF MATERIALS TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE RATED FROM A SUSTAINABILITY STANDPOINT, WHATEVER RATING SYSTEM YOU USE, UM, IN TERMS OF TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS THAT, UM, THAT WILL, THAT WILL SURVIVE FOREVER.
MATERIALS THAT IF THEY LAND UP, UP IN A LANDFILL, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DISINTEGRATE APPROPRIATE.
I DUNNO, I'M NOT THE ARCHITECT
BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S A THING THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT.
IT'S JUST BASIC, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BRICK, STONE, GLASS, METAL.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THESE MATERIALS LONG TERM IN, IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABILITY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE ON AND JUST THE ENVIRONMENT OF DUBLIN.
SO, AND, AND I WOULD EXPAND THAT, NOT JUST SUSTAINABILITY, BUT DURABILITY, QUALITY, LONGEVITY AND MAINTENANCE.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MR WAY'S POINT, IF WE HAVE A VERY BIODEGRADABLE MATERIAL, BUT YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT EVERY FOUR YEARS, IS IT REALLY BETTER THAN ONE THAT LASTS 50 YEARS THAT IS NOT AS BIODEGRADABLE OR TAKES LONGER TIME TO, TO BIODEGRADE? ALRIGHT, LOOKING FOR OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS.
MR. FISHMAN, I THINK YOU'RE TAKING ON YOUR MICRO AN UNBELIEVABLE TASK BECAUSE, UM, YOU'D WALK AROUND IN, IN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND, AND COMMERCIAL, AND THERE MIGHT BE IS, I'M SURE KIM WILL SAY THEY'RE TWO GREAT MATERIALS, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T BE USED SIDE BY SIDE.
I MEAN, THE BASIC ONE FOR THE LAYMAN IS I SEE THEY USE A SELF-CLEANING PAINT, WHICH IT CHALKS AND THEY PUT IT ON THE SECOND STORY.
AND OF COURSE THE BRICK IN TWO YEARS IS COVERED WITH THAT PAINT.
OKAY? AND YOU, AND YOU WALK AROUND
UH, UH, UM, UH, I, I THINK YOU ALMOST HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT AND SAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA
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PROVE THIS MATERIAL AND IT ABUTS THIS MATERIAL, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.OR, OR, UH, THIS MATERIAL EXPANDS.
AND, AND, AND I I THINK THAT, UM, UH, MANY TIMES BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS, THEY, THEY GET RECOMMENDATION FROM THE GUY THAT'S SELLING THE MATERIAL AND, AND THEY, THEY, IT ENDS UP WITH SEMI DISASTROUS RESULTS.
SO I, I THINK IT'S AN ARDUOUS TASK THAT YOU'RE, UH, TAKING ON.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MAKE IT PERFECT.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN, BUT I THINK AS, AS KIM SAYS, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EDUCATION.
THE, THE, UH, GUY MAKING ALUMINUM, UM, UH, VERTICAL SIDING FOR SECOND STORIES ISN'T GONNA TELL YOU THAT THE, IT, IT, THAT IT BLACK STUFF COMES OFF THE ALUMINUM EVENTUALLY AND, AND, AND STAINS THE, THE MASONRY BELOW.
UH, SO, UH, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU, YOU SEE IT ALL THE TIME.
AND SO, UM, I I, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY WITH REALLY INCREDIBLE EXPERTISE.
MAYBE YOU CAN, YOU KNOW,
I THINK IT'S A WHOLE NEW LEVEL OF, OF APPROVAL.
I THINK YOU CAN GET TWO GOOD MATERIALS TOGETHER AND, AND IT CAN BE IN 10 YEARS, THEY CAN LOOK LIKE HECK, AND YOU'RE SEEING IT IN BRIDGE PARK NOW, UH, WHAT IS IT, CALCIUM SULFATE OR SOMETHING OR WHATEVER.
IT, IT, IT, UH, BECAUSE THE WATER COLLECTS AND RUNS OFF THE MATERIAL ON TOP, AND, AND, AND SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN ARDUOUS TASK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE DO IT.
I I WISH YOU A LOT OF LUCK AND I'D, AND, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU CAN WALK AROUND ALMOST ANY BUILDING AND SEE WHERE THEY, WELL, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE USED THAT.
I MEAN, YOU SEE IT ALL THE TIME WHERE YOU'VE GOT WOOD, UH, BUDDING MATERIAL AND THE WOODS ROTTING BECAUSE IT'S COLLECTING WATER AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, SO, UH, I ADMIRE YOU FOR DOING, I I'M REALLY EXCITED IF, IF I CAN BE INVOLVED, I'D LOVE TO BE INVOLVED BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE AN EDUCATION TO, TO ECHO THAT IN PARTICULAR, RIGHT? I I, I WROTE DOWN AND KUDOS, RIGHT, UM, FOR TACKLING IT TO BEGIN WITH, BUT A USEFUL TOOL WITHOUT BECOMING OVERWHELMING, RIGHT? RIGHT.
WE COULD TO IT, THIS COULD BECOME BOILING THE OCEAN AND THERE IS AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF, RIGHT, THERE'S AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF BRICKS OUT THERE, RIGHT?
SO, UM, A GOOD BIT OF THAT IS THERE, THERE IS VERY REAL MATERIAL SCIENCE IN THIS.
SO I, I'M NOT SURE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, LET, LET'S JUST CALL WHAT HAS BEEN STARTED A DRAFT, RIGHT? THE DANGER IS IT, THE, THE QUESTION IS HOW DOES IT BECOME A USEFUL TOOL FOR EVERYBODY IN THE PROCESS, RIGHT? UM, BE IT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, BE IT THE INSPECTORS, BE IT, BE IT PLANNING AND ZONING, AND OR HOW DOES IT NOT BECOME AN ABSOLUTE QUAGMIRE THAT IS CAPTURING EVERYTHING? THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF MERIT TO, YOU KNOW, EVEN EVEN THE ASPECTS THAT MR. WAY WAS BRINGING UP.
THE BUT LEAD DOES THOSE THINGS.
THEY ARE EVALUAT, THERE ARE, THERE ARE SYSTEMS FOR EVALUATING GREEN PRODUCTS IN ANY NUMBER OF WAYS, WHETHER IT'S A WOOD FOREST, FOREST CERTIFIED WOOD, OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL EITHER.
BUT, UM, THERE'S A QUESTION IN THERE NOW THAT IT'S STARTED, HOW DOES IT BECOME A USEFUL TOOL WITHOUT BECOMING OVERWHELMING? IT COULD BE, I HATE TO SAY IT, IT COULD BE JUST LIKE YOU DID COLLECT, WE DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT CERTAIN COMPOSITE WOODS.
LET'S COLLECTIVE INTEL ON THAT.
WE DO, WE DO HAVE, RIGHT? THAT'S ONE CATEGORY.
WE DO HAVE VERY REAL, UM, VERY REAL PROBLEMATIC SPOTS, RIGHT? YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY COLLECTING INTEL ON THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INTEL ON THE WOOD IS JUST A, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WORKS.
WE HAVE A WEALTH OF UNCERTAINTY THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN BRICKS.
BRICKS HAVE BEEN AROUND A GAZILLION YEARS.
UM, THE INTEL AND THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN WHOOPS IN OUR COMMUNITY COULD BE VERY REAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT QUARTERLY, I DON'T KNOW.
AND SAY, WHAT HAPPENED HERE? HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN? WHAT DID, WHAT DID WE MISS ON THE DRAWING SET? WHAT THE MATERIAL SELECTION OR THE, UM, THE INSTALLATION INSPECTION, RIGHT? AND LET EVERYBODY SORT OF CHEW ON, LET'S MAKE LESS OF THOSE, RIGHT? AND SO ON AN ONGOING BASIS, WE JUST KIND OF COLLECT THEM.
WE SEE, WE SEE MATERIALS AGE IN OUR COMMUNITY POORLY, AND WE COLLECT THAT AS THE DATABASE SO THAT WE'RE NOT BOILING THE OCEAN.
AND AGAIN, GO, GO TO HAMILTON PARKER, THERE
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IS A GAZILLION BRICKS, IF, HEAVEN FORBID, WE GET ALL THOSE IN OUR DATABASE ALONE, LET ALONE, LET ALONE EVERY METAL, LET ALONE EVERY, RIGHT.IT WAS JUST PROVED PROBLEMATIC AND IN WAY TOO MANY WAYS.
THERE'S DANGER ON THE OVERWHELMINGNESS.
UM, THERE IS A USEFUL TOOL HERE.
WHAT IS THAT USEFUL TOOL? UH, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT'S REALLY GONNA BE CHALLENGING.
I CAN'T TELL YOU IN THE LAST 45 YEARS I'VE BEEN HAVING BUILDINGS BUILT.
I'VE NEVER COLLECTED ON A WARRANTY BECAUSE IT, I, I, I, I CALL THE SHINGLE COMPANY.
THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE COMES OUT TO ME AND SAYS, WHOA, THAT SHOULD NEVER BE INSTALLED THAT WAY.
OR WE, THAT'S FOR VERTICAL, NOT HORIZONTAL.
AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, SO I THINK THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD EDUCATION THAT DOES THOSE INSPECTIONS.
UM, UH, AND, AND BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY THE REASON THAT THE PRODUCT, IT, IT WAS JUST PUT ON WRONG OR IT WAS USED IN THE WRONG PLACE.
I MEAN, I'VE HEARD 'EM ALL IN 45 YEARS.
AND SO I'M REALLY EX WHEN I READ THIS, I WAS REALLY EXCITED THAT JENNIFER AND YOU GUYS ATTACKED THIS BECAUSE, UH, IT, IT'S A REAL PROBLEM.
AND YET YOU NEED SOMEBODY WITH SOME INCREDIBLE EXPERTISE TO, TO, TO, WHEN THEY APPROVE THESE THINGS, TO KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T BUT THIS PRODUCT AGAINST THIS PRODUCT, OR YOU CAN'T, THAT ISN'T MEANT TO BE.
WELL, YOU GUYS, MARK PROBABLY KNOWS IT'S LOTS OF, PROBABLY YOU CAN INSTALL 'EM VERTICALLY, BUT YOU CAN'T INSTALL 'EM HORIZONTALLY.
SO, SO, UM, I THINK YOU'RE UP FOR A GOOD CHALLENGE.
I, I, I, I, I THINK YOU NEED A, A CONSULTANT
YEAH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU ALL SPENDING ON THIS.
I ALSO THINK YOU SHOULDN'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE OUT ON THERE ON YOUR OWN.
SO WHEN WE DID THOSE WALKING TOURS, AND YOU'RE PICKING AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS, WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT IT COLLECTIVELY, WHICH HELPS US HERE TO UNDERSTAND.
AND I THINK THOSE GOING OUT AND DOING THOSE TOURS ARE GREAT, AND US BEING MORE FAMILIAR ABOUT THAT, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN A NICE OPPORTUNITY.
IT ALSO, I THINK, UM, MR. FORD'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL.
THAT'S BEEN, UH, UM, A VERY, A NICE OPPORTUNITY TO GET HIS PERSPECTIVE.
AND, UH, AND THAT HAS BEEN A GOOD COHESIVENESS TOO.
AND I LIKE THE IDEA HOW MARK'S TALKING ABOUT THAT.
LET'S, LET'S KEEP IT SIMPLE, BECAUSE THIS COULD BE A DOCUMENT THAT MAYBE THE PUBLIC COULD USE TOO WHEN THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT PRODUCTS OR WHO THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT.
AND THEN I DIDN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT, UM, UH, SUITS THAT HAPPEN ON PRODUCTS, AND THAT MAY ALSO BE SOMETHING TO FOLLOW THAT GIVES US SOME INFORMATION BECAUSE, UH, IT MAY BE JUST, YOU KNOW, REINVENTED A DIFFERENT WAY THAT DOESN'T HELP US.
BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO FOLLOW THAT WAY TOO.
UM, BUT I DO THINK, UM, IT'S BEEN, UH, AND OWNERSHIP WHEN PEOPLE OWN SOMETHING, THEN, UH, AND IT STARTS TO FALL APART.
THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME PLACE TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, WHAT HAPPENED? AND THIS, AGAIN, IS HELPING THE PUBLIC OUT WITH THAT TOO, IF IT'S A DEVELOPER.
BUT I'M THINKING ALSO SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, A FAMILY AND SO FORTH THAT GETS SOMETHING DONE TO THEIR HOME, UH, COULD BE A GREAT HELP TOO.
I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A LOT OF WORK.
UH, SO JUST TO WRAP US UP THIS EVENING, UH, I AGAIN SAY THANK YOU.
THIS IS A LOT OF WORK AND IT'S, IT'S DEMONSTRATED GOING THROUGH YEAR BY YEAR AND PULLING OUT ALL OF THOSE PARTS AND PIECES THAT WAS DIFFICULT.
AND WE REALIZED THAT ULTIMATELY THIS IS A TOOL WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE, THAT NOW WE HAVE, WE CAN REFERENCE WHAT WAS PUT ON BUILDINGS BEFORE.
WHAT ARE OUR APPROVED PRIMARY AND SECONDARY MATERIALS, AND SHOULD THEY REMAIN APPROVED, PRIMARY AND SECONDARY MATERIALS, WE BROUGHT ON AN ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT THAT HELPS US TO UNDERSTAND MAYBE, UH, APPLICATION AND USE AND CALLS OUT.
SOME OF THOSE FACTORS OF IT MUST BE INSTALLED PROPERLY, OTHERWISE.
AND SO BETWEEN THIS PARTICULAR DATABASE AND THE ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT, I THINK THAT WE AS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ARE BETTER PREPARED TO LOOK AT FUTURE MATERIALS.
SO FOR THAT, I THINK THAT THIS IS A HUGE SUCCESS.
THE ONE OTHER ITEM TO CALL OUT IS, UM, YOU HIGHLIGHTED THAT THIS IS FOR IMPROVED AND, UH, SORRY, APPROVED AND INSTALLED MATERIALS.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME THAT ARE NEWER MATERIALS THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET, BUT ARE OUT THERE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE APPROVED AND INSTALLED SOMEWHERE, JUST NOT IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
UH, WHILE WE HAVE GOTTEN, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CONSULTANT BEFORE SAYING, YES, THIS WOULD BE APPROVED, I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY SOME HESITATION ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT MAYBE THE FIRST TIME AROUND SHOULDN'T BE THE PRIMARY MATERIAL OF A VERY LARGE SCALE BUILDING FOR THIS BRAND NEW MATERIAL THAT IS NOT TRIED AND TESTED, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S NOT EVEN WITHIN OUR MARKET, WITHIN EVEN OUR CLIMATE.
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HAVING THE ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT, UM, MAKE A SUGGESTED USE CASE.YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA PILOT THIS, MAYBE WE DO IT ON A CITY BUILDING AND SEE HOW IT WORKS.
MAYBE WE HAVE KIND OF A PILOT OUT IN THE BUILDING AREA WHERE WE HAVE, HEY, THESE THINGS ARE NEWER TO MARKET.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN 'EM YET, BUT WE'RE GONNA THROW 'EM UP ON A PLASTERBOARD AND SEE HOW THEY LAST THROUGH THE WINTER.
IT'S REFERENCEABLE, WHICH IS NICE.
UH, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR IT, BUT IT'S A TOOL IN ITS FORM THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT TODAY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE.
AND I, I, I WOULD EXPRESS APPRECIATION JUST FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? AGAIN, THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS FOR THIS EVENING? I DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS.
UM, WITH THAT MR. WAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.