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[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ALRIGHT.IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO RECORD AND APPROVE THE A RB MEETING MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 15TH, 2023 MEETING? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT.
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[Case #23-116ARB]
UM, OUR FIRST CASE IS UH, AT ONE 19 SOUTH HIGH STREET.THIS IS A DEMOLITION, UH, THE APPLICATION IS REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION OF AN EXISTING OUTBUILDING LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE 0.1 ACRE LOT IS ZONED HDHS, HISTORIC SOUTH DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 95 FEET NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH HIGH STREET AND JOHN WRIGHT LANE AND MS. HOLT WILL BE OUR PRESENTER.
SO WHENEVER YOU'RE READY SARAH.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE PROJECT INTRODUCTION.
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT THIS CASE HAS COME BEFORE YOU.
IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, IT WAS TABLED IN NOVEMBER.
SO A LOT OF THIS BACKGROUND INFORMATION I'LL GO THROUGH FAIRLY QUICKLY AND WE'LL CONCENTRATE ON THE NEW INFORMATION.
UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS UH, REQUEST IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC SOUTH DISTRICT.
AND THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT OUTBUILDING IS ON MILL LANE BETWEEN PENNY HILL AND JOHN WRIGHT LANES.
AND IT'S AT THE REAR OF ONE 19 SOUTH HIGH STREET.
AND AS WE SEE ON THE MAP, RESIDENTIAL IS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST AND THAT WILL BECOME IMPORTANT WITH SOME TOPICS LATER ON.
THIS IS THE CLOSER VIEW OF THE STRUCTURE AND UH, IT'S IDENTIFIED WITH THE STAR AND THIS OUTBUILDING DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
UH, THE BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY 560 SQUARE FEET AND IT'S AN L-SHAPED FORM, LIKELY CONSTRUCTED AT TWO DIFFERENT TIMES AND JOINED TOGETHER.
AND HERE WE SEE THE LOCATION OF THE ATLANTIS TREE, WHICH I WILL POINT OUT AND WILL ALSO BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AS WE GO ON.
WE SAW THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE LAST MONTH AND THIS IS THE PAULA HOUSE FROM
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AROUND 1890.AND THEN WE ALSO SAW THE EXTERIOR PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT STRUCTURE AND THE LARGER PORTION OF THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT IS LIKELY A CHICKEN COOP.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE SMALLER L PORTION IS THE WELLHOUSE.
HERE'S SOME DETAILS OF THE WELLHOUSE PORTION AND THEN THE LOCATION OF THE ATLANTIS TREE.
THESE ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO REMOVE AND WILL REQUIRE SOME ACTIVE MANAGEMENT BY THE OWNER TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T COME BACK.
NEW TONIGHT ARE THE PHOTOS, THE INTERIOR PHOTOS RECENTLY PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
YOU HAVE A COMPLETE SET OF PHOTOS IN YOUR PACKET, BUT THESE REPRESENT THE MOST DETERIORATED CONDITIONS THAT UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS.
AND IN TANDEM WITH THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THESE PHOTOS OF WHAT SHE BELIEVES IS THE WELL OR THE CISTERN AT THE BACK OF THE MAIN HOUSE, TAKING A LOOK AT SITE STABILIZATION LANDSCAPING, AND THEN THE WELL HOUSE, WHICH UM, DIRECTLY RELATES TO OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WHICH WE RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO GRASP.
THE AREA POST DEMOLITION AND AS NOTED ON THE AERIAL PHOTO, IT IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT TOP PHOTO.
SO PER CODE THIS REQUIRES SCREENING AND THE LOWER PHOTO SHOWS THE VIEW FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
THE CODE HAS SPECIFIC PARKING LOT SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND ESPECIALLY AROUND PARKING AREAS.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT ADDRESSES THE TIMING AND APPROACH FOR THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN OF COURSE ANOTHER TOPIC OF A RECOMMENDED CONDITION IS THE WELLHOUSE ITSELF.
AND AGAIN, WE BELIEVE THAT THE WELLHOUSE IT NOMENCLATURE OR IDENTIFICATION IS ACCURATE BASED ON THE 1976 OH HI FORM THAT WE HAVE.
THE CONDITION SAYS THAT IF A WELL IS FOUND AS THIS BUILDING IS BEING REMOVED, THEN A COUPLE OF THINGS OUGHT TO HAPPEN.
UM, IT SHOULD BE HONORED IN THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND WE'VE GIVEN AN EXAMPLE IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT HOW THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
THAT'S NOT THE ONLY WAY IT COULD BE HONORED.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE WANNA ADDRESS ANY SAFETY CONCERNS IF THERE IS AN OPEN HOLE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO WITH THE DEMOLITION CRITERIA FOR A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA NEEDS TO BE MET AND STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THAT IS THE CASE.
THE COMPUTER SEEMS TO HAVE FROZEN.
UM, SO I WILL JUST MOVE ON TO SAY THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION REQUEST FOR A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITH TWO CONDITIONS.
THE FIRST IS PERTAINING TO THE NEED FOR A SCALED LANDSCAPE PLAN TO ENSURE THAT THAT RESIDENTIAL BUFFERING OCCURS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEMOLITION PERMIT.
AND THE SECOND IS APPLICABLE ONLY IF A WELL IS FOUND OR EVIDENCE OF A WELL IS FOUND AND THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD WORK WITH STAFF DIRECTLY IN THAT EVENTUALITY.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
NOPE, I HAVE, I JUST HAVE ONE.
SARAH, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DOES SCREENING ENTAIL? WHAT IS STAFF ENVISIONING? AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO DO A DESIGN PLAN RIGHT NOW, BUT UM, RIGHT.
IT ENTAILS SIX FOOT TALL EVERGREENS AND MULCH AND YOU KNOW, AN EDGED AREA THAT IS MORE THAN JUST GRASS.
AND THE IDEA IS MEANT TO SCREEN THE CARS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL VIEW.
AND WE WOULD NOT ASK THAT THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT BE SCREENED ONLY WHERE THIS BUILDING GETS REMOVED.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THE BUILDING'S ACTING AS SCREENED.
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YOU BET.WAS ANY MORE INFORMATION PROVIDED ON THAT COST ESTIMATE THAT ITEMIZED WERE THOSE COSTS WERE? IT WASN'T.
THAT WAS THE TOTAL OF THE COST ESTIMATE THAT WE RECEIVED.
DID ANYBODY IN THE STAFF HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR WHO ASSEMBLE IT? RATTI DID MS. SING DID WHEN HE CAME IN? I DID NOT SPEAK TO HIM.
UM, I, WELL MY QUESTION IS, I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN THE EXTENT OF WHERE THOSE COSTS ARE AND, AND HOW THEY'RE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS.
'CAUSE IT'S REALLY TWO BUILDINGS AND THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT CONDITIONS AND HOW THOSE COSTS ARE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THOSE TWO BUILDINGS.
'CAUSE I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT THE ASSUMPTIONS ARE.
I AM SURE THAT THE APPLICANT COULD SPEAK TO THAT.
BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE ALRIGHT.
I THINK GUIDED THAT, THAT CONTRACTOR.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
WERE THE APPLICANT LIKE TO STEP FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION? CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? MM-HMM.
MY NAME IS NANCY DAVIS AND I'M THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR ONE 19 SOUTH HIGH STREET.
I'M HERE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, DICK BERRIN AND HIS DAUGHTER, UH, KAREN ADOLF.
AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS, YOUR ADDRESS.
OH, UH, 1480 DUBLIN ROAD, COLUMBUS, OHIO.
UM, WE WERE, I WAS HERE A MONTH AGO.
UM, AND THANKFULLY YOU WERE ABLE, YOU WERE ABLE, ABLE TO GIVE US A CONTINUANCE TO WORK ON OBTAINING AN ESTIMATE FOR REPAIR.
UM, OF THIS STRUCTURE, AS YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN THE, UH, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED.
UM, I DID RECEIVE A SECOND ESTIMATE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT CAME IN AFTER, UM, THE ALLOTMENT OF TIME THAT I WAS ALLOWED TO PROVIDE, UH, ALL OF THE PAPERWORK THAT I HAD COLLECTED TO THE CITY.
UM, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LOWER, ABOUT $10,000 LOWER, BUT IT STILL WAS SIGNIFICANTLY EXPENSIVE, AROUND $37,000 TO, UM, TO REPAIR AND GET THIS SHED CHICKEN COOP WELLHOUSE UP TO, UH, A SAFE CONDITION, UM, USING ALL OF THE STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RESTORE IT TO A HISTORICAL CONDITION.
UM, I, WHEN THE DAY THAT I MET THE CONTRACTOR, THE, THE ESTIMATE THAT YOU HAVE FROM CHRISTOPHER CONSTRUCTION, IT WAS POURING DOWN RAIN.
UM, SO HE AND I WERE INSIDE THE STRUCTURE.
THAT'S WHEN I TOOK THE UPDATED PICTURES OF THE INSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF HAS FAILED.
AND WE HAVE SUPPORTED IT WITH THOSE, UM, TWO BY FOURS.
UM, SO WE DIDN'T STAY VERY LONG CHIT-CHATTING ABOUT THE ESTIMATE OR, YOU KNOW, BUT HE BASICALLY CAME BACK AT A LATER TIME, TOOK MEASUREMENTS.
UM, BUT I DID NOT HAVE A FULL DETAILED CON YOU KNOW, CONVERSATION WITH HIM ABOUT HIS SPECIFIC ESTIMATE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY I WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR ABOUT A WEEK AFTER I SUBMITTED TO THE CITY AFTER THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY.
UM, AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CAME BACK ON THE 6TH OF DECEMBER AND HERE WE ARE ON THE 13TH.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR ME ABOUT HIS ESTIMATE, BUT, UM, I COULD TRY TO GET HIM ON THE TELEPHONE IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, THAT YOU WANTED.
I JUST KNOW THAT TO RE TO RESTORE THIS PROPERTY IN THIS, THE CONDITION THAT IT NEEDS TO BE IN IS, IS GONNA SIGNIFICANTLY BE A DETRIMENTAL TO, UM, TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THE, THE COST TO DO THIS.
UM, SO WE WERE HOPING THAT, UH, WITH THE BLESSING OF THE A RB THAT WE CAN, UM, GO AHEAD AND, AND DEMOLISH THIS STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROPERTY, IN OUR OPINION, IT'S NOT PROVIDING INCOME TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND EVENTUALLY WE POSSIBLY MAY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PARKING, BUT I KNOW IN THE MEANTIME WE'RE LOOKING AT LANDSCAPING, UM, AND YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY FINDING OUT IF IN FACT THERE IS A WELLHOUSE, UM, THERE'S CONCRETE IN THERE THAT HAS SOMEWHAT DETERIORATED FROM THE TREE THAT HAD GROWN.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER MAYBE THE WELLHOUSE IF IT'S IN THAT SECTION WAS COVERED, YOU KNOW, THE WELL WAS COVERED WITH THE CONCRETE THAT'S IN THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
WE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED I GUESS UPON STARTING TO DIG INTO THE DEMOLITION OF IT.
I GUESS I WOULD JUST NEED GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY ON THE NEXT STEPS.
SHE'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL, UM, WORKING
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THROUGH THESE PROCEDURES.I'M, I'M SURE SHE'LL, SO QUESTION FOR ME JUST 'CAUSE CERTAINLY, I MEAN, AS YOU SAY THAT UH, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP IS THE ONE CONDITION, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU ASK THEM TO DO? THIS CHRISTOPHER CONSTRUCTION, WHOEVER THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE, WELL, I KNOW I HAVE TO SAY FROM THIS, IT'S, YEAH, I MEAN I BASICALLY TELL THE WHOLE THING IS DID YOU ASK THEM TO LOOK AT DEMO? 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY ALL IN ONE THING.
IT'S REALLY HARD FOR, I SAY, FOR ME TO SAY, IS IT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP? 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.
COULD YOU JUST, MAYBE JUST, WHAT DID YOU ASK 'EM? WHAT DID YOU ASK 'EM TO QUOTE? WELL, I MET HIM AT THE PROPERTY AND WE WENT INTO IT AND I SAID, WE NEED TO DETERMINE THE COST AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO REBUILD THIS STRUCTURE TO A SAFE CONDITION.
UM, AND THEN I ALSO EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE, BUT HE IS GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME DEMO IN ORDER TO REBUILD, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO I'M LIKE, TEAR THE ROOF OFF, REBUILD SOME TRU, YOU KNOW, REBUILD SOME OF THE FRAMING.
UM, BECAUSE IT HAS, IT NEEDS A WHOLE NEW ROOF IF IT HAS TO BE REPLACED.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S A QUESTION ME, DID YOU ASK HIM TO DEMO IT AND THEN REBUILD IT? WELL TEAR THE ROOF OFF, NOT DEMO AND REBUILD THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M CONFUSED TOO.
'CAUSE LIKE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS THERE IT SAYS DEMOLITION TOTAL, BUT THEN I SEE REFRAME RAPTORS REPLACE ROOF SHEATHING.
SO I COULDN'T TELL IF LIKE, THIS COST IS JUST FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OR IS OFFSET FROM THE DEMO AND THEN WHAT WOULD IT COST TO REPAIR.
I, IT'S JUST NOT CLEAR FOR ME OF WHAT THAT TRUE NUMBER IS AND WHAT THAT ACTUAL PIECE IS.
AND AGAIN, UM, LIKE SEAN HAD MENTIONED AS WELL, WAS IT MORE OF A QUESTION, WHAT'S IT GONNA TAKE TO REPAIR? WHAT'S THAT COST VERSUS WHAT'S IT GONNA COST TO TAKE IT DOWN? AND I CAN'T DECIPHER THAT FROM THIS INVOICE.
AND MY QUESTION IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE TWO STRUCTURES, THEY'RE IN VERY DIFFERENT CONDITION.
AND I WANNA KNOW, AND, AND BECAUSE FRANKLY SINCE WE'RE OPEN CONVERSATION HERE, I THINK IT, I DON'T THINK THIS MEETS THE GROUNDS FOR ONE OF THE STRUCTURES BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT, UM, THE FOUNDATION, THE, UM, WELLHOUSE CLEARLY THAT FOUNDATION IS, IS A MESS AND THAT THAT STRUCTURE IS UNSTABLE AND YOU CAN SEE CRACKING IN THE WALL AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE, UM, LIGHT COMING IN FROM THE FOUNDATION AND, AND YOU CAN SEE THE WAY THE EARTH OUTSIDE HAS, HAS CHANGED AND CONTRIBUTED TO THE FOUNDATION CONDITION.
AND SO THAT'S NOT, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A RESULT OF LACK OF MAINTENANCE.
UM, IT HAS TO DO PROBABLY WITH THE WAY THAT'S BUILT AND THE CONCRETE SLAB IN THERE IS, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AND, AND SO THERE, THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL COSTS THERE THAT AREN'T AS A RESULT OF LACK OF MAINTENANCE.
HOWEVER, WHEN I LOOK AT THE OTHER STRUCTURE, WHAT I COULD SEE IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THE DOOR WAS OPEN TODAY AND, AND SO I, I STUCK MY HEAD IN THERE, THE, THE FOUNDATION AND THERE'S NO EVIDENCE ON THE OUTSIDE OF A PROBLEM WITH THE FOUNDATION WALL.
UM, THERE'S NOT THE SAME CRACKING THAT YOU SEE.
THE DEFLECTION IN THE WALL UP ABOVE IS DUE TO SOMETHING ELSE I'M GONNA GET TO.
AND YOU COULD SEE A SLAB IN THAT AREA THAT YOU COULD SEE IN.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE CHICKEN COOP AND SEE, OKAY, THE DAMAGE, YEAH, THE ROOF IS IN TERRIBLE SHAPE AND THE FRAMING, BUT WHY IS THAT IN TERRIBLE SHAPE? LACK OF MAINTENANCE.
AND SO, AND WE, WE CAN'T REWARD LACK OF MAINTENANCE BY PERMITTING DEMOLITION BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE HASN'T BEEN MAINTAINED.
SO I WANTED TO HEAR FROM HIM AS HE LOOKED THROUGH THAT STRUCTURE, UM, YOU KNOW, HIS OPINION IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE ONE MY READING, I THINK YOU DO MEET THE GROUNDS FOR THE ONE STRUCTURE BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE SUB PERSONALLY SUBSTANTIAL, BE COSTLY TO TRY TO SOLVE THAT FOUNDATION PROBLEM.
THE FRAMING HAS SOME ISSUES, THE ROOF.
UH, BUT UM, THE OTHER ONE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AS CONVINCED.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SEE, UM, HEAR FROM HIM HERE, HIS ASSUMPTIONS AND HEAR IF HE WAS ASSUMING IN THAT ESTIMATE THAT HE WOULD DO NEW FOUNDATION UNDER THE WHOLE THING.
IS HE ASSUMING THAT HE WOULD DO NEW CONCRETE SLAB IN BOTH STRUCTURES? 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE WHY HE WOULD NEED TO DO IT IN BOTH STRUCTURES.
NO, I THINK IT WAS JUST, IT'S THE AREA WHERE THERE IS EXISTING CONCRETE MM-HMM.
I NEVER INSTRUCTED HIM TO QUOTE ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S EXISTING.
BRING IT BACK TO THE WAY IT IS.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT CHANGE OR ADD TO, UM, I COULD HAVE BROUGHT HIM HERE.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS A REQUIRE OR, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT
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WOULD BE NECESSARY.UM, 'CAUSE THE SLAB IS JUST THE AREA THAT'S, THERE'S EXISTING CONCRETE, WHICH IS IN THAT FRONT BUILDING, THEY'RE CLOSEST TO THE HOUSE.
UH, IT'S NOT POURING CONCRETE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE.
KAREN, DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? NO.
HAVE WE HAD ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, SARAH, REGARDING THIS? WE HAVE NOT.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS? OKAY.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S CERTAINLY GONNA COST SOMETHING TO UP, I MEAN, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, IF IT'S NOT 40, IT'S 20.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
UM, CERTAINLY THE STRUGGLE FOR ME IS IT'S, IT'S SUPER UNCLEAR.
IT'S GONNA COST SOMETHING AND IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY, MAYBE IT'S NOT 40, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S 20.
UM, BUT IT'S GONNA COST SOMETHING.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ALLEVIATES THE HARDSHIP, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF IT'S 10,000 OR 20, THAT MEANS STILL THERE'S GONNA BE A HARDSHIP THAT SITS THERE, EVEN IF WE COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, IT'S GONNA COST X, Y, OR Z.
SO THE STRUGGLE FOR ME IS IT'S JUST SUPER UNCLEAR.
AND AS YOU SAY, WHEN I DON'T WANNA START TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE LOOK AT BUILDINGS THAT ARE NEED REPAIR AND WE'RE NOT CLEAR ON WHAT IT TAKES TO REPAIR THEM AND WE TEAR THEM DOWN.
SO I'M STILL, UH, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA COST SOMETHING AND I SEE IT DOESN'T, IT DOES, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE AN ECONOMIC RETURN.
SO THAT'S WHERE, UH, I STILL FALL KIND OF ON THAT SIDE, BUT I'M NOT QUITE THERE TO, YEAH.
WHEN I WAS ORIGINALLY AND WHERE YOU'VE BROKEN OUT AT LOOKING AT TWO SEPARATE STRUCTURES NOW, I WAS KIND OF ASSUMING, LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PIECE BECAUSE IT IS SOMEWHAT ATTACHED AND, AND, AND INTERTWINED, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR US IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE A BETTER BREAKDOWN.
IS THERE AN, WAS THERE INTENT TO FIX IT OR WAS THERE A TOTAL ATTEMPT? WHAT'S IT GONNA COST TO TEAR IT DOWN? SO I CAN'T DECIPHER THAT FROM THIS INFORMATION.
I KNOW GATHERING FROM WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TESTIFIED, TRULY THE INTENTS TO, TO TEAR IT DOWN, UM, AND TRYING TO SHOW THAT HARDSHIP OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REPAIR.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T, BUT I'M LIKE, SEAN, NO MATTER WHAT, IT'S STILL GONNA COST MONEY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT HARDSHIP PIECE.
WHAT IT'S TROUBLING ME IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE, AT LEAST FOR THE BETTER BUILDING OF THE TWO, WE DON'T, WELL WE DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE FOR THEM SEPARATELY.
WE HAVE IT TOGETHER OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REPAIR.
SO WE HAVE THAT EVIDENCE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS THAT IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE OR WOULD BE A HARDSHIP.
IT'S AN ASSUMPTION WE'RE MAKING BASED ON OUR OWN COMMON SENSE.
AND THAT'S, IT'S NOT AN EVIDENTIARY STANDARD.
I, I THINK THE WELLHOUSE, THEY ALMOST NEED TO START FROM SCRATCH.
SO FOR ME, EVEN WITHOUT A CLEAR, A CLEARER BREAKDOWN OF THE WELLHOUSE, I THINK IT NEEDS TO, IT, IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T HOLD THOSE WALLS UP.
YOU CAN'T PUT, THERE'S NOT A FOUNDATION UNDER IT.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO TRY TO PROP IT UP.
SO FOR, FOR ME, THERE'S A CLEAR HARDSHIP THERE BECAUSE YOU'LL BE PAYING FOR A NEW STRUCTURE AND IT WAS NOT A CONDITION THAT WAS CAUSED BY, UM, NECESSARILY A LACK OF MAINTENANCE OR, OR THE OWNER.
SO I, I WOULDN'T NEED MORE PERSONALLY DETAILED INFORMATION ON THAT ONE.
BUT THE OTHER ONE, FROM WHAT I SEE AND KNOW RIGHT NOW, I HAVE DIFFICULTY, UM, SEEING HOW IT MEETS, HOW IT MEETS OUR STANDARDS.
'CAUSE WITHOUT A CLEARER BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THAT WAS GONNA COST.
AND, AND ACTUALLY IF THIS WERE USED AS A HOUSE AND THERE'S A BIG MARKET FOR SHEDS AND PEOPLE ARE BUILDING, BUILDING STORAGE AT THE BACK OF THEIR HOMES ALL THE TIME, WE'RE GOING TO A PLACE LIKE LOWE'S OR HOME DEPOT AND BUYING SOMETHING THAT'S PREFABRICATED IN ADDITION TO HAVING A GARAGE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE END OF THE ALLEY WHERE THIS ALLEY TERMINATES, THAT HOUSE, UM, HAS, HAS SAVED TWO, YOU CAN SEE TWO, TWO SHEDS THAT WERE INTERLOCKED, ORIGINAL SHEDS HAVE BEEN SAVED.
THEY PUT THEIR VINYL SIDING AROUND THEM, BUT THEY PUT
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NEW ROOFS ON THEM SO THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME VALUE TO HOW THAT, HOW A STRUCTURE LIKE THAT COULD BE USED.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S COMPLETELY, IT MAY BE FOR THE HAIR SALON, IT MAY NOT BE VALUABLE, BUT SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR ANOTHER TENANT, IT, IT'S VALUABLE SPACE.
SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE THEN, ARE WE, I MEAN WE'RE DEBATING THE MERITS OF THIS PARTICULAR THING THOUGH, SO YEAH.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, I I GET IT'S, BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT EITHER WAY GONNA TEAR DOWN PART OF IT OR REBUILD PART OF IT.
AND I THINK FOR ME THE CHOICE IS DO WE THINK THAT WHATEVER $10 OR 10,000 IS THE, IS A THRESHOLD THAT SOMEHOW MAKES IT A HARDSHIP? AND AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PART WHERE, UM, ON THIS ONE NON-CONTRIBUTING AND SAYING THAT THAT STANDARD IS, THAT IS THE FIRST ONE.
THE SECOND ONE, WHICHEVER ONE IT WAS.
CAN IT BE CONSIDERED A HARDSHIP IF YOU'VE CREATED THE PROBLEM BY BENIGN NEGLECT? BECAUSE THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING I SEE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE CHICKEN COOP IS THE ROOF.
ALL THE PROBLEMS. THE ROOF IS CREATED.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST NOT, NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROOF AS FAR AS THE DEFINITION OF HARDSHIP.
WOULD IT, AND WE DON'T HAVE THIS EITHER, BUT TO COMPARE THE COST OF DEMOLITION VERSUS A NEW ROOF, AND IF THE NEW ROOF IS MORE EXPENSIVE, THEN DEMOLITION, DOES THAT THEREFORE MAKE IT A HARDSHIP? I'M NOT SURE.
WE ALSO HAVE THE IDEA THAT IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL COMMERCIALLY, EXCUSE ME, INCOME GENERATIVE.
SO IT'S ALMOST AUTOMATICALLY A HARDSHIP IF IT EVEN COSTS A QUARTER TO FIX IT.
I I THINK THERE'S LANGUAGE SOMEPLACE IN THE CODE ABOUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GONNA LOOK FOR.
LACK OF MAINTENANCE ISN'T THERE, ISN'T THERE LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE ABOUT LACK OF MAINTENANCE? THERE IS, YES.
AND LACK OF MAINTENANCE IS NOT, UM, NOT IN CODE.
AM I NOT TO BE AN EXCUSE FOR ALLOWING DE DEMOLITION? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST MONTH.
AND THAT'S FOR CONTRIBUTING, THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
I MEAN IT'S THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.
WITH THE THREE CRITERIA FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, IT REFERS YOU BACK TO ONE SUBSECTION OF THE CONTRIBUTING THAT TALKS ABOUT MAINTENANCE OR LACK THEREOF.
WAS THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP CREATED BY OR EXACERBATED BY, EXACERBATED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THAT IS POINT, IT IS 0.3 OF FIVE A THREE.
SO THAT IS, SO WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT INTO MAINTAINING THE HARDSHIP, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MIGHT, UM, IF I CAN GET THE, UM, SCREEN BACK.
UM, I HAVE LAST MONTH'S PRESENTATION THAT HAS THE REFERENCES, THE CODE REFERENCES IN THEM.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS AGAIN, THE CODE REFERENCE FOR DEMOLITION OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND IT'S THE LESSER THRESHOLD THAN FOR A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THAT'S SORT OF THE FIRST, THE FIRST STEP.
AND THEN THE SECOND STEP IS SECTION 1 53 0.178, WHERE IT REQUIRES THAT ANY STRUCTURE BE PROVIDED SUFFICIENT CARE, MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP TO PREVENT DESTRUCTION BY DETERIORATION.
AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, SECTION FOUR 13 WHERE IT DOES SAY ORIGINAL OUTBUILDING SHOULD BE REPAIRED AND RETAINED.
IT'S, IT'S A STRUGGLE TO FIND EXACTLY WHERE THE HARDSHIP IS YEAH.
ON THIS ONE WITHOUT HAVING MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THE REAL COST IS SITTING INSIDE OF THAT.
I, I THINK JUST NEEDING THAT CONSISTENCY OF WHAT ARE WE ASKING FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH.
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IS IT CLEAR AND CUT SO WE CAN MAKE THAT EASY DECISION BASED ON WHAT I HAVE HERE IN FRONT OF ME.I CAN'T DECIPHER WHAT THAT IS.
AND IT COULD BE A DOLLAR, IT COULD BE $10 OR IT COULD BE $2,000.
UM, AND AGAIN, UH, MY THOUGHT PATTERN WAS LOOKING AT THE WHOLE STRUCTURE.
AGAIN, YOU BROUGHT UP GREAT POINT THAT MAYBE THERE IS SOME SABLE PIECE FROM THE ONE.
OBVIOUSLY THE OTHER STRUCTURE IS A RESULT OF POOR MAINTENANCE WITH THAT PIECE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS ALL ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO, UM, BUT THEY'RE CLEARLY BUILT INDEPENDENTLY.
BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE ONE IS BUILT ACROSS A DOOR.
IF YOU, IF YOU EXAMINE THE LAYERS OF PAINT, UM, THE CHICKEN COOP HAS A LOT MORE LAYERS OF PAINT, UM, THAN THE OTHER STRUCTURE HAS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE WAY IT'S, IT'S PEELING.
SO THEY, THEY WERE CLEARLY BUILT INDEPENDENTLY.
UM, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THE ONE, I THINK THE ONE IS MAJOR, MY, MY, IN MY OPINION, THE, UH, WELLHOUSE NEEDS WOULD NEED TO BE REBUILT FROM THE GROUND UP.
AND AT THAT POINT IT'S, YOU'RE NOT EVEN RESTORING A BUILDING.
FOR ME IT'S A BRAND NEW BUILDING AND THERE'S NO POINT TO ME THAT JUST THE, THE SHAPE THAT ONE'S IN.
THAT ONE DEMOLITION UNFORTUNATELY MAKES SENSE.
BUT YOU KNOW, I, AS YOU CAN HEAR, I'M STRUGGLING WITH MM-HMM.
IF WE START TO TAKE DOWN THE OTHER ONE, THEN THE, YOU, YOU THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RE I MEAN THAT WOULD HAVE TO REBUILD THE CHICKEN COOP TOO.
I DON'T, I MEAN YOU THINK THEY'RE FULLY INDEPENDENT.
YOU START TO PULL THE CONCRETE AND ALL THIS DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE.
CAN WELL YOU CAN SEE THE SHEATHING.
OR NOT THE SHEATHING, BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE SIDING RUNNING BY THE OTHER ONE.
SO IT'S A FAIR QUESTION IF YOU JACKHAMMER THE THING.
IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT'LL HAPPEN IF YOU START TAKING THE CONCRETE UP TOO.
I NEED MORE INFORMATION TO TABLE IT FOR MORE INFORMATION.
ASSUMING WE CAN HAVE TIME TO PUT THIS ON AGENDA IN THE FUTURE.
THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT IF YOU START TO BUILD THINGS IN HERE THAT ECONOMIC, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP MEANS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT IT DOESN'T MM-HMM.
ONE OF THEM BEING COULD BE NEGLECT OR WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP IS, YOU KNOW, AND IF IT'S REBUILDING IT COST X.
WHERE DOES THAT WELL I THINK IF THEY ITEMIZED IT, YOU COULD THROW OUT THE COST OF FRAMING THE ROOF AND PUTTING A NEW ROOF.
'CAUSE THOSE ALL HAVE DETERIORATED 'CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINED.
SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE IF THEY COME BACK WITH WHAT WELL, I MEAN IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE THREAT, THEN IT COMES TO US, WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD? SHOULD THEY COME BACK WITH 10 DOWN WHATEVER, PICK A NUMBER.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YEAH.
BECAUSE FOR ME, I MEAN HAVING THEM GO BACK AND REDO THAT AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY IT COSTS X THAT WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE SAME SPOT.
SO, WELL I THINK THE CODE SAYS WE CAN'T EVEN CONSIDER THE COST OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE DUE TO NEGLECT.
WE CAN'T, THEY'RE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM.
IT'S THE OTHER, IT'S THE OTHER COSTS.
'CAUSE THOSE ONE, THOSE ARE OCCURRING BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE.
BUT IF YOU FIND ANYTHING THAT COMES UP THAT'S NOT LACK OF MAINTENANCE, WHATEVER IT IS, IT COMES UP.
SO IF IT, WHATEVER IT COSTS, IS THAT A HARDSHIP? I MEAN, I WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE SOMEBODY BACK ON, ON SOMETHING ELSE TO MAKE SURE CLEAR ON THIS, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WHAT YEAH.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, THIS IS 570, UM, SOME SQUARE FEET.
AND I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT IF YOU WERE TO, TO BUILD A GARAGE TODAY OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT WAS NOT A BLOCK BUILDING, BUT ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE IT BELONGED IN THE DISTRICT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD IT FOR 48 OR THREE 8,000.
IT'S GONNA BE MORE YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FAIR STANDARD TO HOLD THIS TO, TO SAY, UM, TO SAY A NEW STRUCTURE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LESS THAN A NEW STRUCTURE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A HARDSHIP.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A STILL, YOU KNOW, IT STILL COMES DOWN TO ME.
IF I HAD MORE DETAILED INFORMATION, I THINK MY DECISION WOULD BE EASIER.
WELL, YOU AT LEAST MAKE ONE, RIGHT? RIGHT NOW I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I CAN'T 5,000 OR FIVE OR STILL 50,000.
THIS IS WHERE I'M STILL STRUGGLING.
I, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR A CERTAIN VALUE.
I THINK FOR THE DISTRICT'S SAKE, YOU, YOU'D WANT TO, YOU'D WANNA MAINTAIN IT AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL.
BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'D HAVE TO ADMIT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
WELL, IT'S CLEAR, UM, FROM WHAT I'M, WELL FIRST OF ALL, FOR THIS TO BE APPROVED TONIGHT, YOU NEED THREE, THREE OF THE FOUR OF US TO APPROVE IT.
SO, UM, IT'S CLEAR TWO MEMBERS HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR AND HILLARY'S
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SHAKING HER HEADSO I THINK, UH, AT LEAST THREE OF US WANT MORE INFORMATION PROVIDED IN TERMS OF THE BREAKDOWN.
AND IF YOUR CONTRACT, IF YOUR CONTRACTOR CANNOT BE HERE OR SOMEONE REPRESENTING THEM, THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, WE'VE HAD ACTUALLY ANNOTATED IMAGES WHERE PEOPLE TAKE THE IMAGE AND THEY SHOW WHERE THE CONDITION'S OCCURRING AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED MORE DETAIL.
IT'S PROBABLY SIMPLER IF THEY COME, BUT IF, BUT THAT ESTIMATE IS MORE DETAILED TOO, AS TO HOW MUCH IS IN EACH OF THOSE AREAS AND HOW MUCH IS IT ATTRIBUTED TO EACH STRUCTURE.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU, YOU WOULD WANT FOR ME? THEN YOU CAN MAKE A CHOICE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS DEMO AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT YOU COULD REPAIR AT, AT SOME COST, NOW IT'S YOUR CHOICE.
WE CAN VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT OR WE CAN VOTE TO TABLE IT.
AND THAT'S CERTAINLY YOUR CHOICE.
I I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT AS IS.
SO, UM, YOU SHOULD, YOU NEED TO LET US KNOW PLEASE.
I THINK WE'RE INTERESTED IN TABLING IT AND I CAN CERTAINLY INVITE THE CONTRACTOR TO BE HERE, UM, AND OR PROVIDE THE SECOND ESTIMATE THAT I HAVE, UM, AS WELL AS HAVE HIM DETAIL THIS ESTIMATE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
AND MAKE SURE IT'S DIVIDED BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND WHAT, WHAT'S ENTAILED.
AND ALSO SOME INFORMATION, IF YOU WANT TO ANNOTATE IT ON WHAT WAS POSSIBLY CAUSED JUST BY THE BUILDING ITSELF VERSUS NEGLECT.
SO, I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? WHAT, WHAT WAS IT CAUSED BY, AS YOU HEARD THE DISCUSSION, WAS THAT ANYTHING THAT WAS CAUSED ANY, ANY FEATURE THAT HAD TO, HAS TO BE REPLACED OR REPAIRED AND THAT REPAIR OR REPLACE THAT WAS CAUSED BY NEGLECT, WE CAN'T COUNT.
SO YOU WANNA SEE WHAT IS MORE FUNDAMENTAL TO THE BUILDING VERSUS WHAT'S BEEN NEGLECTED.
AND YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM AS WELL, JUST GETTING MORE.
IS THERE A, A MOTION TO TABLE THIS? I'LL MOVE THE TABLE.
THE, UH, WHICH CASE ARE WE ON NOW? I'LL MOVE THE TABLE.
UH, CASE FOR ONE 19 SOUTH HIGH STREET DEMOLITION.
AND, AND SARAH, HOW, UH, FAR IN, HOW FAR IN ADVANCE IS THE NEXT MEETING? DO YOU NEED ANY SUBMISSION MATERIALS? JANUARY'S MEETING LOOKS VERY, VERY FULL.
SO WE MAY UM, WE MAY NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT, HOW WE SCHEDULE THAT.
UM, BUT WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON A DEADLINE FOR JANUARY, SO WE MAY BE LOOKING AT FEBRUARY HONESTLY.
UM, BUT THAT WILL GIVE TIME TO GET ALL THE MATERIALS IN ADVANCE.
AND IT WOULD BE THE SIX WEEKS, SIX, SIX WEEKS PRIOR TO THE FEBRUARY YEP.
THE EXACT DATES ARE ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO LOOK UP THE DATE AND JUST YEP.
DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR US? OKAY.
[Case #23-117AFDP]
OUR SECOND CASE THIS EVENING IS 30 32 SOUTH HIGH STREET.THIS IS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICATION IS A REQUEST TO AMEND A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A PARKING PLAN ON A 0.25 ACRE SITE ZONED HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC CORE.
THE SITE IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 35 FEET NORTH, THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH HIGH STREET AND SPRING HILL LANE.
UM, SARAH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THIS IS AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND AN AMENDED PARKING PLAN FOR 30 32 SOUTH HIGH STREET.
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WITH THE COMPUTER TONIGHT.ALL RIGHT, WE'LL DO IT THIS WAY.
UM, THE SITE IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW FOR YOU.
IT IS SOUTH OF EAST BRIDGE AND SITS BETWEEN SOUTH HIGH STREET AND SPRING HILL AND SOUTH BLACKSMITH LANE.
IT IS ZONED HISTORIC CORE AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO PROPERTIES ON THE SITE.
UH, 30 IS TO THE NORTH, 32 IS TO THE SOUTH, AND RESIDENTIAL IS ADJACENT ON THE EAST SIDE.
LITTLE BIT OF PROJECT HISTORY.
UM, IN 2018 THIS PROPERTY CAME THROUGH FOR A MINOR PROJECT APPROVAL.
THIS WAS UNDER DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP AND THE PROJECT WAS NOT PURSUED.
AND IN AUGUST OF 2021, THESE OWNERS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM TONIGHT STARTED THEIR JOURNEY WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSAL BEFORE US.
AND, UM, IN DECEMBER OF 2021, A COMBINED PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE APPROVED.
AND THEN AGAIN, TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING TO AMEND THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND AMEND THE PARKING PLAN.
THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR THE BUILDINGS THEY'RE CURRENTLY VACANT AND HAVE BEEN FOR SOME TIME.
THEY'RE BOTH, UH, ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE SOUTH HIGH HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THE ONE ON THE LEFT, NUMBER 30 IS ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING LOG STRUCTURES WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS, UM, A PURPOSE-BUILT COMMERCIAL BUILDING, WHICH IS ALSO RATHER RARE WITHIN OUR OWN DISTRICT.
AND WITH THAT WALKOUT BASEMENT, YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT OF TOPOGRAPHY ON THE SITE.
THIS IS THE APPROVED PLAN, APPROVED SITE PLAN FROM 2021.
AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT HERE THAT AT THE BACK, UH, APPROVED WAS THE ONSITE PARKING AND AN A DA RAMP SYSTEM.
NOW IF WE COMPARE THAT TO THE AMENDED SITE PLAN, AND I'LL GO THROUGH SOME HIGHLIGHTS HERE.
THE BACK OF THE, UH, SITE IS TURNED INTO JUST LANDSCAPING AND HISTORIC WALL REPAIR.
WE STILL HAVE THE TRASH ENCLOSURE WITH ACCESS OFF OF SOUTH BLACKSMITH.
HERE YOU SEE A SMALL RETAINING WALL AROUND THE PAVILION JUST TO HELP TAKE UP SOME OF THAT SLOPE AT THESE LOCATIONS.
THESE ARE NEW BIKE RACKS PROPOSED AND WE HAVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL ABOUT THAT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT UNDER MATERIALS IN A MOMENT.
AND THEN THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED FOUR PLANTERS FOR ANNUAL COLOR AT THE ENTRANCE POINTS.
AND THEN IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, NO ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN IS CHANGING WITH THIS REQUEST TONIGHT.
SO HERE WE HAVE OUR REVISED PARKING PLAN AND THE PARKING PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED AT CONCEPT PLAN.
AND AT THAT TIME, BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING, 41 SPACES WERE REQUIRED.
AND THAT'S AT THE RATIO OF 10 SPACES PER 1000 GROSS SQUARE FEET FOR AN EATING AND DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT.
SO 32 SPACES AT THAT TIME WERE PERMITTED OFFSITE.
UH, THERE ARE THREE ON STREET SPACES THAT THE APPLICANT IS ALLOWED TO USE AND UM, THE PARKING PLAN WAS APPROVED BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AT THAT TIME.
AND NOW IF WE FAST FORWARD TO THE TIME THAT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS REDUCED TO APPROXIMATELY 3,600 SQUARE FEET.
SO COMMENSURATELY, THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES WERE ALSO REDUCED TO 36.
THEREFORE, WITH THE PARKING PLAN AND THE REDUCTION IN SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE REQUEST IS ONLY FOR ONE ADDITIONAL OFFSITE SPACE.
TONIGHT, AS WE MENTIONED, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL SITE ELEMENTS AND, AND MATERIALS THAT WE SHOULD GO THROUGH.
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UM, THE BIKE RACK IS SHOWN ON THE LEFT AND WE HAVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT JUST ENSURES THAT IT WILL BE BLACK IN COLOR.THERE IS A PLANTER SHOWN IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S A, A CORTEN KIND OF MATERIAL.
AND THEN THE LIGHTING IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT AND THAT IS THE LANDSCAPE AREA LIGHTING.
IT IS BELOW THE LIGHTING LEVELS THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO, UM, EXAMINE THOSE, THOSE LEVELS.
NEVERTHELESS, WE LOOK AT THE AESTHETICS OF THE LIGHT FIXTURES.
UM, AND WE HAVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR THE LIGHTING.
THERE IS AN OPTION WITH THAT LIGHTING TO ALLOW COLORED LENSES TO BE USED.
AND UH, NEITHER STAFF NOR THE APPLICANT WANNA USE THOSE COLORED LENSES.
SO WE HAVE A CONDITION TO MEMORIALIZE THAT.
SO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN CRITERIA HAVE ALL EITHER BEEN MET OR NOT APPLICABLE.
AND SO WE COME TO OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED PARKING PLAN AND THEN APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH CONDITIONS.
AND THE FIRST HAS TO DO WITH THE COLORED LIGHTING SHALL NOT BE USED, THE BIKE RACK SHALL BE BLACK.
AND THEN, I'M SORRY, I NEGLECTED TO POINT OUT ON THE SOUTH BLACKSMITH SIDE, WE HAD THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A HYDRANT, ANOTHER HISTORIC HYDRANT ON THAT STREET FRONTAGE AND INVESTIGATING THAT WITH ENGINEERING, NOW IT'S APPEARING THAT PERHAPS IT'S JUST A SEWER CLEAN OUT.
AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO KEEP THAT.
SO WE'RE JUST MAKING IT CLEAR THAT IF IT'S A HYDRANT, YOU SAVE IT.
IF IT'S A SEWER CLEAN OUT, WE DON'T NEED TO SAVE IT
AND WITH THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY, ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE SEVERAL
UH, FIRST OF ALL, UM, JUST KIND OF REVIEWING OUR NOTES PAST, UH, BOARD NOTES, THE 60 SOME PAGES THAT WE NOW HAVE ON RECORD, UM, BUT CONSISTENTLY THROUGH THE JUNE 23RD MEETING, THE AUGUST 25TH MEETING AND THE DECEMBER 15TH MEETING, UH, ALL THOSE OCCURRING IN 2001, UM, CONSISTENTLY WAS STATING THAT THE FACT THAT THAT HYDRANT THAT WAS ON SOUTH HIGH WAS GOING TO BE RETAINED.
AND THEN READING THE PLANNING REPORT, I NOW READ THAT THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
SO SOMEWHAT QUESTIONING THE CHANGE IN THAT AND WHERE THAT WAS TAKEN AND THEN I READ IT SAID FIRE HYDRANTS, I'M GOING, OKAY, SO I WALKED OUT THERE AND PACED THE FIRE HYDRANTS AND I'M GOING, NO, WE'RE CONSISTENT OUT THERE.
AND SO THEN I WENT INTO THE PLANS OVER THERE AND IT SAYS A PROPOSED F PROPOSED FDC.
SO WHICH IS THE FIRE CONNECTION FOR THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
SO WAS THAT CHANGE, I'M DEFINITELY NOT FEELING IT WAS FROM THE APPLICANT.
WAS THAT DRIVEN FROM THE CITY AND DID THAT DRIVE THE FACT THAT THAT HISTORIC HYDRANT HAS TO BE REMOVED TO MEET SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS NOW IMPOSING ON THE DEVELOPER? YEAH.
SO I WILL LET THE APPLICANT TALK ABOUT THOSE DETAILS.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YES, INDEED WITH THE NEW FIRE SERVICE, UM, THERE IS NOT ROOM TO KEEP THAT HISTORIC HYDRANT THERE.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE OWNER IS GOING TO CONSERVE IT AND MAKE SURE THAT AS AN OBJECT IT IS MAINTAINED WITH THE PROPERTY.
WELL, AND I STILL GO BACK THOUGH, THINKING THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOME WORK WITH THE CITY SINCE THAT'S SUCH AN HISTORIC COMPONENT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT'S PART OF OUR REGULAR WALKING TOURS.
IT HAS A BIG HISTORY AND THAT HYDRANT ON BLACKSMITH DOWN BELOW THAT'S ALL CONNECTED.
SO IF ANYBODY'S AWARE, IN MANY YEARS PAST, DOWN ALONG THE RIVER, THEY HAD DEVELOPED A, UH, LIKE A, AN OLD, I WISH TOM WAS HERE TO TALK TO IT, BUT IT WAS, UH, LIKE ALMOST LIKE A CAR ENGINE OR WHATEVER.
SO THE INTENT WAS IF WHEN FIRE HYDRANTS WEREN'T IN THE OLD HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEY WOULD RUN DOWN TO THE RIVER, FIRE UP THAT ENGINE, THAT ENGINE THEN WOULD PUMP WATER.
AND THAT WATER FIRST WENT TO THAT CONNECTION THAT'S STILL THERE ON BLACKSMITH AND THEN THAT'S CONNECTED TO THE ONE ON RIVERVIEW.
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VERY CLEVER TO DEVELOP A FIRE HYDRANT SYSTEM TO PREVENT FIRES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EXIST AT THAT TIME.SO THERE IS A HUGE STORY AND THAT PIPE FROM BLACKSMITH GOING DOWN TO THE SPRING OR DOWN TO THE RIVER STILL EXISTS.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT HYDRANT OF ANYTHING, YEAH, THAT ONE NEEDS TO BE RESTORED AND KEPT, BUT I'M REALLY, UH, PASSIONATE ABOUT SEEING WHAT WE CAN WORK WITH, WITH THE CITY TO HELP WITH A DEVELOPER TO KEEP THAT ONE ON SOUTH HIGH BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S HISTORY, IT'S HUGE FOR US.
SO THAT'S ALL I GOTTA COMMENT ON IT.
THERE WAS ORIGINALLY THE SIDEWALK THAT WAS GOING OUT THERE.
I SEE NOW THE SIDEWALK I SEE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THAT WILL GO AWAY AND WE'LL JUST HAVE A, THERE'LL JUST BE SOMETHING IN FRONT OF IT THAT'S JUST TO MAINTAIN THE GRASS HERE.
IF I READ THAT RIGHT, I CAN'T FIND WHERE IT SAYS, SO IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE SLIDESHOW REAL QUICK.
UM, THE PRIVY IS STILL THERE RIGHT? AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN YEP.
THERE'S JUST GONNA BE A STEP IN FRONT OF IT.
UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING SOME KIND OF A ORTHOGONAL PATH, UM, CONNECTION.
UM, THE APPLICANT DIDN'T FEEL THE, THE NEED OR DESIRE TO DO THAT.
I THINK WANTING TO KEEP THE LAWN MOWER OPEN, BUT THE PRIVY IS STILL THERE AND THERE'S A A STEP THERE TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN PEEK IN AND GET UP TO IT.
MR. MORGAN, DO YOU WANNA COME UP, ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FIRE HYDRANT?
UM, SO REAL QUICKLY ON THAT FIRE, THE FIRE, THE FIRE HYDRANT, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME.
I KNOW SOME OF US KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
SORRY, BUT YOU NEED TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
YOU INTRODUCED ME LIKE MR. MORGAN.
DAN MORGAN, UH, 5 5 8 4 WINDWOOD DRIVE, DUBLIN, OHIO 4 3 0 1 7.
SO THE CURRENT HISTORIC FIRE HYDRANT ON SOUTH HIGH STREET, THAT WAS ONE THAT WE INITIALLY HAD PLANNED TO KEEP THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROP PROJECT, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A FIRE SPRINKLER AS YOU, I DUNNO IF YOU'VE COORDINATED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON FIRE SPRINKLERS BEFORE, BUT THEY'RE VERY PARTICULAR WITH WHERE THEY WANT THEIR FI THEIR FDC, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTION.
AND IT WAS DECIDED FOR THIS PROPERTY, THEY WANTED IT IN A, IN A PROMINENT LOCATION RIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS WAS WHAT THEY DECIDED WHERE THEY WANTED IT.
WE FOUGHT REALLY HARD TO KEEP IT FROM BEING MOUNTED TO THE FACE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH I THINK WOULD'VE BEEN MORE DETRIMENTAL TO THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO THE, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT THAT INITIALLY WE WERE GOING TO KEEP THAT ONE IN, IN SPOT AND TEAR UP, TAKE UP THE, OR SALVAGE THE ONE OFF OF BLACKSMITH AND BRING THAT INTO, UM, THE OWNER'S POSSESSION AND POSSIBLY HAVE IT IN THE ESTABLISHMENT WITH, UH, A PLACARD OF SOME SORT SAYING WHAT IT WAS.
UM, SO WE JUST BASICALLY REVERSED COURSE WITH THE THOUGHT BEING THAT WE'D KEEP THE ONE ON, UM, BLACKSMITH AND, UM, SALVAGE THE ONE FROM SOUTH HIGH STREET SO IT WOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH THE, UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT'S RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR FTCS.
AND, UM, AND, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WITH BASE WITH THAT ONE, IT'S ON SOUTH HIGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL, IT'S JUST A NICE BRASS CONNECTION.
IT'S ONLY ABOUT THAT TALL, UH, WITH THAT, UM, FT C THAT NEEDS TO GO IN.
HOW MUCH HIGHER IS THAT COMPARED TO, I MEAN, I STILL CAN'T FATHOM THAT THAT CAN EXIST MORE AS AN ARTIFACT AND NON-FUNCTIONAL ARTIFACT IN THAT SPECIFIC SPOT.
UH, AND THEN STILL HAVE THAT FTC CONNECTION JUST ABOVE IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE, I CAN'T FATHOM HOW THAT, BECAUSE IT'S JUST A, IT'S AN ARTIFACT.
IT'S NOTHING OF FUNCTIONAL PER SE, BUT I CAN'T SEE WHY, UM, SOME SUPPORT FROM THE CITY AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BATTLING THIS BACK AND FORTH.
WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT HISTORIC, BUT THEN WE GET INTO THESE SITUATIONS AND, UM,
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AND, AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ABOUT KEEPING IT THERE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THINGS HAVE KIND OF DEVELOPED AND CHANGED, WHICH KIND OF CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD.WELL, I MEAN, BECAUSE I, I HAVE A FEELING THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUT WHEN YOU DEAL WITH CERTAIN ENGINEERING, RIGHT, WHAT IF YOU CREATE, WHAT IF THEY CREATED A DUMMY AND THEY JUST MOVED IT OFF OF THAT LOCATION SLIGHTLY? UM, SO IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL SOMEWHERE ALONG HIGH STREET.
IT DOESN'T FUNCTION, BUT IT, THE HISTORICAL, HE, HE'S REPRESENTING THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THEIR, AND THEIR POSITION.
SO I I IT'S MORE THAN MIKE'S FEELINGS ABOUT THIS.
THERE ARE OTHERS THAT FEEL THAT WAY, SO IF YOU CAN MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ALONG THERE, BUT IT'S JUST ANCHORED IN SOME CONCRETE AND DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD, I DON'T THINK THAT'D BE A PROBLEM.
I DON'T THINK THE OUR, THE OWNERS WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM.
WE JUST, WE COULD AN IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE PLANTING AREAS TO THE NORTH OF 30 AND TO THE SOUTH OF 32 THAT WE COULD ANCHOR THAT IN SOME CONCRETE.
I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD TALKING POINT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL NOW.
THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GREAT ARTIFACTS.
IT'S AN INTERESTING HISTORY TOO.
SO IF IT GOES INTO A, A MUSEUM OR SOMEPLACE ELSE, IT'LL LOSE THAT TACT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WHEN THEY DO THE WALKING TOURS, THEY REALLY TALK ABOUT, THAT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY IT HAS TO BE THAT SPECIFIC SPOT, BUT BE ALONG CLOSE TO THOSE PROXIMITIES SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT STORY, WHICH WAS VERY CLEVER OF CREATING A FIRE HYDRANT WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE FIRE HYDRANT, I THOUGHT.
AND IRONICALLY, THEY NEVER HAD TO USE IT SO
BUT I THINK THERE SHOULD, IF, IF THERE COULD BE SOME COMPROMISE THERE TO KEEP IT CLOSE TO THAT LOCATION AND KEEP IT ALONG SOUTH HIGH, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
MAKE THAT, WE'D MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL.
HAPPILY I HAVE SOME LANGUAGE TO SUGGEST.
DO YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEP, THAT WORKS FOR ME.
MR. MORGAN, YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YES.
UM, ARE YOU UP HERE JUST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR DID YOU WANNA MAKE A PRESENTATION? OH YEAH, JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I DON'T, I REALLY, I DON'T HAVE MUCH, MUCH MORE TO ADD.
YOU KNOW, UM, I WANTED TO ASK YOU, I, I WAS READING THROUGH THE, THE, YOUR RESPONSE TO THE DUBLIN PLANNING REVIEW COMMENTS AND YOU WERE ASKING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT YOU'RE GONNA REQUIRE FOR THE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE.
HAVE YOU RECEIVED THAT YET? NO.
SO, SO I CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
UM, A DA DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE ONSITE HANDICAP PARKING IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ONSITE PARKING.
SO, SAID ANOTHER WAY, IF WE GET RID OF ALL OF THE PARKING ON THIS SITE, THEN A DA IS NOT A DA PARKING IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED.
UM, SINCE THE ON STREET SPACES ARE REALLY CITY SPACES THAT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE CHANGED OR UPGRADED NECESSARILY.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONTACT WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS CHANGE? UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT AND WE'RE WORKING TO HAVE TO FORMALIZE AN AGREEMENT WITH BOTH, UM, NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH, MR. VESA AND NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH AT, UH, THE BARBERSHOP.
WE HAVE VERBAL, VERBAL APPROVALS FROM THEM.
UM, I'M JUST WORKING OUT THE DETAILS ON THAT.
UM, AND DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS, UM, MR. KOTTER'S QUESTION ABOUT THE PATH AND, AND THAT THE REASON, THE REASON YOU, WE, WE THINK WE KNOW WHY, BUT WE OUGHT TO HEAR FROM YOU THE REASON THERE'S NO PATH.
WE MADE A CHANGE TO THE PRIVY.
SO PART OF, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE, UM, PART OF KEEPING THE FABRIC OF HISTORIC DUBLIN IS A LOT HAS TO DO A LOT TO DO WITH THE TREES, THE HISTORIC TREES ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO PART OF THIS NEW PASS OF ONCE WE'RE NOT DOING THE PARKING LOT AND NOT DOING THE CROSS ACCESS FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, THE A DA ACCESSIBLE RAMPS FROM HIGH STREET BACK TO BLACKSMITH, WE'RE DISTURBING A LOT LESS OF THE SITE.
MEANING WE HAVE TO, WE CAN KEEP MORE OF THE HISTORIC TREES.
SO WE, OUR THOUGHT, OUR GOAL, OUR INTENT IS TO
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LET THAT LANDSCAPE REMAIN IN ITS HISTORIC, IN ITS CURRENT, UM, NATURE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.SO THAT BASICALLY REMAINS LONG.
SO CROSS SUBDIVIDING IT WITH A SITE, A SIDEWALK OR WALKING PATH DIDN'T REALLY MAKE MUCH SENSE.
AND MORE, UH, STYLISTICALLY OF THE, THE LANDSCAPE, WE HAVE A PRETTY DENSE LANDSCAPED HEDGE AROUND THE SOUTH AND EAST OF THE PROPERTY.
AND HAVING THAT PRIVY INTERRUPT THAT AND THEN HAVING JUST SIMPLE LIMESTONE STEP LEADING TO IT, KIND OF SETTING IT OFF AS SOME, SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPORTANCE TO THE PROJECT SEEMED TO BE MORE THAN ADEQUATE FOR THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
IS ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TO SPEAK REGARDING THIS PROJECT? NOPE.
HAVE WE HAD ANY PUBLIC COMMENT SUBMITTED? WE DIDN'T A COUPLE MOMENTS AGO AND LET ME JUST CHECK TO MAKE SURE.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER POINTS TO DELIBERATE, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUEST WITH, WITH THE CONDITIONS? SURE.
OH, ALSO MOVE
WHEN, WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION STARTING? UM, WE ARE, OUR NEXT STEP HERE IS NEXT WEEK SUBMIT FOR OUR SITE PERMIT.
[Alternate Materials Update]
OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS FOR DISCUSSION.THIS IS OUR UPDATE ON THE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS.
UM, THIS DISCUSSION IS REGARDING THE APPROPRIATE CHOICE FOR ALTERNATIVE BUILDING MATERIALS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND APPENDIX G PROPERTIES.
ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS REFERS TO THE USE OF NON-TRADITIONAL SYNTHETIC MATERIAL IN PLACE OF AN ORIGINAL OR MODERN MATERIAL USED ON NEW CONSTRUCTION.
MS. SINGH WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND THEIR STAFF IS NOT LOOKING FOR A DECISION TONIGHT.
SO RODDY, WHEN YOU'RE READY, GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.
TONIGHT WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE REQUEST FOR HISTORIC DISTRICT ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS DOCUMENT.
HERE IS A QUICK HISTORY OF THE PROJECT.
THIS WAS A PART OF PRE-APPROVED PAINT COLORS PROJECT, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN MARCH, 2022.
BOTH CONFIRMED THEIR INTEREST IN THE PROJECT LATER THAT YEAR AND THEN STAFF WORKED WITH A CONSULTANT TO DEVELOP A DRAFT AUGUST OF THIS YEAR.
WE STAFF PRESENTED A DRAFT AND BASED ON THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED, STAFF PRESENTED A REVISED SAMPLE SECTION AT THE SEPTEMBER BOARD MEETING.
TONIGHT WE HAVE A DRAFT DOCUMENT FOR BOTH CONCENTRATION AND FEEDBACK.
JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
THE GOAL OF THIS PROJECT OR THIS DOCUMENT IS TO LIST ON ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT UNDER THE 2021 CODE, ALONG WITH THE USE OF THE WAIVER.
THIS SHALL INCLUDE BOTH ADVANTAGES, DISADVANTAGES, AND ANY CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WERE WITH THE MATERIALS.
THE INTENT IS TO UPDATE THE DOCUMENT ANNUALLY.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE ANY MATERIALS THAT WOULD APPROVE DURING THE YEAR.
THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE SOME REFERENCE PHOTOS FOR THE CONTEXT AND FOR OBVIOUSLY FOR THE USERS TO REVIEW AND REFER.
THE ANTICIPATED USERS FOR THIS DOCUMENT WILL BE OWNERS, RESIDENTS, ARCHITECTS, CONSULTANTS, AND OF COURSE THE STAFF AND THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE.
SENIOR IS A DOCUMENT STRUCTURE.
THE DRAFT OF THIS STRUCTURE WAS DISCUSSED AT THE SEPTEMBER, 2023 MEETING.
THIS IS MORE OF THE SAME STRUCTURE WITH FEW ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS.
EACH SECTION WILL BEGIN WITH A BUILDING FEATURE THAT WILL BE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE TOP.
FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS DOCUMENT, THE BUILDING FEATURES ARE DIVIDED INTO ROOF, EXTERIOR WALL MATERIALS, WINDOWS, DOORS, PORCH, TECH MATERIALS, AND OTHER DETAILS.
UNDER THE EXTERIOR WALL MATERIALS, THERE'LL BE A RELEVANT CODE SECTION THAT WOULD REFER
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TO WHAT IS PERMITTED WITHIN FOR THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING FEATURE, WHICH IS LISTED IN THE CODE ALONG WITH ANY LANGUAGE THAT IS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT CODE SECTION.FOLLOWED BY THAT WE WILL HAVE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS.
ALONG WITH THAT, WE'LL HAVE THE BUILDING CLASSIFICATIONS.
THE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS WOULD BE THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED UNDER THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING FEATURE AND THE BUILDING CLASS BUILDING ARE CLASSIFIED AS LANDMARK PROPERTIES, BACKGROUND PROPERTIES AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
BOTH LANDMARK PROPERTIES AND LANDMARK BACKGROUND PROPERTIES, SORRY, WOULD BE FURTHER SUB-CATEGORIZED INTO ADDITIONS.
THIS TERMINOLOGY HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 11TH, AND STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO USE THAT LANGUAGE.
THIS WILL BE FURTHER FOLLOWED BY MATERIAL DISCUSSIONS AND REASONS FOR APPROVAL.
THE MATERIAL DISCUSSIONS SHALL INCLUDE THE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS, THE ADVANTAGES, DISADVANTAGES, AND WHAT WERE THE REASONS FOR WHICH THIS PARTICULAR ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL WAS APPROVED.
AND LASTLY, WE'LL HAVE SOME REFERENCE PHOTOS FOR ALL THE AL ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS THAT WAS APPROVED IN THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING.
FEATURE SECTIONS, THIS IS THE DRAFT OUTLINE THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND THE STAFF HAS FOLLOWED IT IN THE DRAFT DOCUMENT.
NEXT FEW SLIDES WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS ABOUT DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED ALONG WITH THE USE OF SOME PHOTOS HERE.
AS A QUICK RECAP FROM A LAST MEETING, BOARD APPROVED LP SMART SIDING AND BORROW TRUE SIDING AS AN EXTERNAL WALL MATERIAL.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PHOTOS WHICH ARE AVAILABLE FOR LP SMART SIDING AND THERE HAS BEEN USE OF THE SIDING AT VARIOUS DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.
LISTED HERE ARE A FEW OF THE PROPERTIES FOR WHICH WE CAN SEE THE USE.
ON THE LEFT, WE CAN SEE A LANDMARK PROPERTY FOR WHICH THE LP SIDINGS WAS APPROVED.
AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WE CAN SEE A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S AN ONGOING CONSTRUCTION SITE FOR WHICH IT WAS APPROVED IN 2021.
THE TROOP EXTERIOR OR THE RURAL TRUE SIDING WAS APPROVED FOR AN INDIVIDUALLY LISTED BUILDING.
IT WAS FOR A NEW CONSTRUCTION AS WELL.
AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE PHOTOS.
AND HOPEFULLY WITH THE ANNUAL UPDATE WE'LL HAVE SOME PHOTOS NEXT YEAR.
THE BOARD HAS APPROVED STEEL WINDOWS ALONG WITH VINYL WINDOWS.
THE CODE REQUIRES THAT ALL THE WINDOWS SHOULD BE METAL CLAD WOOD OR VINYL CLAD WOOD.
AND WITHIN ALLIANCE FOR OTHER MATERIALS WITHIN THE DOCUMENT, SPECIFIC REASONS HAVE BEEN SPECIFIED WHY THESE WINDOWS WERE APPROVED FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING.
ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WE SEE A LANDMARK PROPERTY FOR WHICH WAS APPROVED.
THIS WAS BASICALLY APPROVED TO MAINTAIN THE INTERNATIONAL STYLE ARCHITECTURE FOR THAT BUILDING.
THIS HAS BEEN INSTALLED AND WE CAN SEE THE PHOTO OF IT.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE CAN SEE THE VINYL WINDOWS.
THIS WAS APPROVED FOR A BACKGROUND PROPERTY ADDITION.
THIS WAS AN ADDITION TO A HOUSE THAT WAS APPROVED UNDER THE PREVIOUS CODE AND THE VINYL WINDOWS FOR APPROVED THAT HOUSE.
JUST TO MAINTAIN THE COHESIVENESS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY.
THE BOARD APPROVED THE VINYL WINDOWS FOR THIS SED EDITION.
SEEING HERE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF EXTERNAL DOOR MATERIALS.
WE CAN SEE A REFERENCE PHOTO FOR A FIBER GLASS DOOR THAT WAS APPROVED FOR A BACKGROUND EDITION.
AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WE CAN SEE AN ALUMINUM GLASS DOORS WITH WINDOWS, WHICH WAS APPROVED FOR A NEW CONSTRUCTION LAST YEAR.
THE ALUMINUM GLASS DOORS WITH WINDOWS WAS SPECIFICALLY APPROVED FOR A SHED GARAGE.
THE LOCATION WAS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THUS BOARD APPROVED IT.
IT DID NOT IMPACT THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF THE SURROUNDING AREA FOR THE POACH AND DECK MATERIALS.
BOAT HAS APPROVED TIMBER TECH FOR BOTH THE DECK AS WELL AS THE, UM, STAIRS MOST RECENTLY BOAT APPROVED.
TIMBER TECH FOR STAIRS, WE CAN SEE, I'M SORRY, IT'S JUST GOING A DIFFERENT WAY TODAY.
SO THIS IS THE PHOTO FOR THE TIMBER TECH STAIRS.
THIS WAS RECENTLY APPROVED OF MAY THIS YEAR.
UM, THE DESIGN OF THE DECK, WHICH WAS APPROVED HERE, WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THE GUIDELINES REQUIRE THE DECK OR ANY MATERIAL, ANY OF THESE ADDITIONS AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
THIS WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT AND AGAIN, IT DID MEET THE GUIDELINES AS WELL AS THE WAVE WORK CRITERIA.
HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE AN UPDATED PHOTO WITH THE TECH MATERIAL THERE.
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SO WITH THIS, THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, TRIM AND ANY OTHER MATERIALS THAT BOAT HAS APPROVED.UM, THERE HAS BEEN USE OF FCON VENTS, WHICH BOAT HAS APPROVED EVER SINCE HISTORIC DISTRICT CODE 2021 CAME INTO PLACE.
AND THIS IS BECAUSE OF WHERE THE INSTALLATION IS AND ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE VENTS BOAT HAS APPROVED IT FOR A BACKGROUND EDITION AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WE CAN SEE AN ONGOING CONSTRUCTION.
IT IS FOR THE SAME HOUSE, WHICH IS 60 FRANKLIN STREET.
AND WITH THIS, WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION CUSHIONS FOR THE BOARD TONIGHT.
AS THE DRAFT DOCUMENT MEETS THE BOARD VISION, SHOULD THERE BE ANY ADDITIONS OR MODIFICATIONS THAT SHOULD BE EXPLORED FURTHER? AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BY THE BOARD WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS FOR RODDY? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO HOW ABOUT THAT FIRST DISCUSSION ITEM? DO WE, HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THE GENERAL DIRECTION OF THE DOCUMENT? I CAN SPEAK FOR, I, I, I'VE, I, I LIKE IT A LOT.
IT HELPS AS A NON-ARCHITECT, RIGHT? IT, IT STRUCTURES IT IN A WAY THAT HELPS ME FOLLOW KIND OF THE LOGIC OF WHAT WE'VE APPROVED, WHY AND HOW WE'VE GOT TO THAT POINT.
AND I THINK I REFLECTED ON WHAT GARY WAS BEFORE, NOT GIVING TOO MANY CHOICES FOR PEOPLE TO SAY, HEY, WE'LL APPROVE, HERE'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE IN THE, APPROVE IT LATER.
I THINK IT WAS ALSO, SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY FACTORS.
AND THEN LET THE APPLICANTS COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S NEW MATERIALS AND WHY.
AND THEN HELP US SAY, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THIS.
AND THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH A, THE QUESTIONS THAT SIT INSIDE OF THAT OF, OKAY, WHERE IS IT USING IN OTHER PLACES? IS IT HIGH QUALITY? ALL THESE THINGS.
SO SAY FOR, FOR ME AS A NON A PERSON WHO'S NOT INTO THE MATERIAL WORLD LIKE THAT, UM, I, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY THE STRUCTURES AND HOW YOU'VE UPDATED IN THE LAST, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
YEAH, I DEFINITELY LIKE THE CHANGE.
I THINK IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO FOLLOW COMPARED TO THE FIRST DRAFTS THAT WE SAW IN THE BEGINNING.
AND, AND AND I, I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU.
AND I WANTED TO ASK ONE QUESTION WHEN I SAW THE BULLET POINTS THAT WHERE YOU LISTED, UM, LANDMARK NON LANDMARK BACKGROUND EDITION, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE THE KIND OF MATRIX WE HAD BEFORE.
YOU'RE JUST GONNA IDENTIFY WHERE IT WAS USED, RIGHT? EXACTLY.
SO IF WE SEE IT IS UNDER THE, EACH BUILDING MATERIAL, THE ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, IT WOULD JUST LIST DOWN FOR WHICH BUILDING IT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
'CAUSE WHEN I SAW THAT MATRIX THAT DOWN LISTED LIKE THAT, I WAS WORRIED THAT WE WERE GONNA GET BACK TO THAT MATRIX, WHICH I THINK WAS SO CONFUSING THAT JUST, I THINK THE WAY I FIND, THE WAY YOU'VE LISTED IT SO MUCH SIMPLER AND, AND WILL BE A HELP HELPFUL REFERENCE AND THE, UM, SITES WHERE IT'S THE, WHATEVER THE MATERIAL IS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD, THAT'S A COMPREHENSIVE LIST AT THAT, WHATEVER THE DATE IS.
SO THAT YOU'LL HAVE FOR EVERY PLACE THAT WE'VE APPROVED IT, THE REASONS WHY IT WAS APPROVED AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING THIS IS AN EXAMPLE.
ONE'S A LANDMARK, ONE'S A RESIDENTIAL, IT'LL BE EVERY YES.
SO WE HAVE, YEAH, WE'VE TRIED TO ADD DETAILS OF WHY IT WAS APPROVED FOR, EVEN IF IT WAS A LANDMARK BUILDING OR A BACKGROUND BUILDING AND THAT MATRIX THAT WAS PRODUCED, IT'S IN EXCEL.
SO WE PLAN TO INCLUDE WHAT THE REASONS THERE AS WELL SO THAT YOU CAN GO BACK IN THE FUTURE AND REFER WHAT WERE THE REASONS OF APPROVAL, EVEN IF WE DON'T INCLUDE THAT PICTURE OR PHOTO IN THE DOCUMENT.
YEAH, HILLARY BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T COVER THAT.
THAT WAS A NICE DOCUMENT THAT YOU INCLUDED.
THE OTHER PIECE THAT YOU DIDN'T COVER THAT I THINK WAS REALLY HELPFUL IS IN THE INTRODUCTION WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT THE KIND OF PROFESSIONALS THAT THEY SHOULD HIRE AND THE VALUE OF THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN, IN, IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.
WELL, AND ACTUALLY I WANT, BECAUSE IT WAS MY COMMENT, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU MOVING IT OUT OF THE INTRODUCTION AND INTO SEPARATE CATEGORY BY ITSELF, WHICH GIVES IT THAT IMPORTANCE.
DO YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US REGARDING THAT? I THINK WE ARE GOOD.
IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT, UM, OR THINGS THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE, WE'LL JUST WORK ON REVISING IT AND MAKING IT, YOU KNOW, UH, WORKING ON THE FORMATTING AND EVERYTHING AND
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UNTIL WE HAVE THE FEEDBACK OR WE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE PLAN TO DISCUSS THIS, MAYBE AT THE FEBRUARY MEETING AND THEN WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE.I THINK IT'S, IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD AND EASY TO ZERO IN ON THE INFORMATION YOU NEED RATHER THAN TRYING TO READ THE WHOLE THING.
'CAUSE I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE WILL NOT BE SITTING THERE READING THE WHOLE THING.
I MEAN, IF YOU SEND, WHENEVER YOU GET IT DONE, IF YOU SEND IT A LITTLE EARLIER, MAYBE THE, IF YOU LET US KNOW WHEN IT GETS UPDATED, JUST 'CAUSE IF YOU SEND IT ON A FRIDAY TO A WEDNESDAY JUST TO READ THROUGH IT MAY, IF WE WANNA APPROVE IT IN A NEXT MEETING, IF YOU GIVE, MAYBE SEND IT.
LET US KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA COME AND GIVE US A ANOTHER WEEK JUST TO READ THROUGH IT.
[COMMUNICATIONS]
COMMUNICATIONS.THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND YOUR EXCELLENT DECISION MAKING SKILLS AND MAKING THIS BOARD RUN EFFICIENTLY AND, AND WELL, AND TO RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, WE'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH A COPY OF DUBLIN'S JOURNEY AND THAT IS JUST A, A THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK AND STUDY THAT GOES INTO THIS VERY IMPORTANT BOARD.
AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AS WELL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND ALL OF THE WORK THAT ALL OF YOU DO.
YOU STAFF ARE AMAZING AND WE COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU.
WELL, THERE'S A NUMBER OF UPDATES THAT I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF.
UM, THE CODE UPDATES WERE APPROVED LAST MONDAY, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE CHANGING THE NOMENCLATURE TO LANDMARK AND BACKGROUND.
AND THOSE WILL BE EFFECTIVE ON THE 11TH OF JANUARY.
SO WE WILL BE UPDATING, UM, THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINES ONLINE.
WE WILL, WE WILL SUPPLY YOU WITH, UM, REVISED PRINTED COPIES OF THE CODE.
HOWEVER, WE'RE GETTING READY TO VERY QUICKLY DO AN AMENDMENT TO THE GUIDELINES.
AND WE'RE WORKING WITH GREG DALE ON THAT TO HELP SORT OF CATCH UP NOW WITH WHAT THE NEW CODE IS SAYING.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA REPRINT THOSE.
SO FOR THE GUIDELINES IN THE INTERIM, IF YOU CAN RELY ON WHAT'S ON THE WEBSITE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
BUT WE'LL GET YOU A PRINTED CODE NEXT MONTH.
UM, SARAH, JUST ONE QUICK, REMIND ME ON THE BACKGROUND OR LANDMARK, THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES WERE, I MEAN, THE ACTUAL, WHICH ONES WERE CATEGORIES AS WHICH THAT WOULD, THAT'S CO CODIFIED.
SO IF THERE'S A CHA IF YOU, WE WANT TO REMEMBER IF WE, IF IT GETS ADAPTED, IT WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW WE WOULD UPDATE IT IF SOMEBODY HAD A, UM, THEY WANTED A WAIVER OR THEY WANTED TO CHALLENGE WHICH, WHICH SIDE, WHICH, WHICH CATEGORY IT WAS IN.
SO IF THEY WANT TO CHALLENGE THAT, THEY DON'T FEEL THAT THEY ARE A LANDMARK BUILDING, THEY CAN STILL DO THAT.
THAT, UM, PROVISION IS STILL IN THE CODE.
SO THE WAIVER WILL STAY AND, BUT, AND IF IT'S CHANGED, IT'LL JUST BE CHA IT'LL BE IN MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGE.
IT WON'T, IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO SAY, HEY, THIS BUILDING GOT CHANGED FROM A, FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.
SO THE NEW WEBSITE OR WEBPAGE CONTINUES TO BE IMPROVED.
WE HAVE ADDED RESOURCES, INCLUDING THE BUILDING DOCTOR AND THE DRYSTONE, WALL CONSERVANCY.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO ONE, ONE STOP SHOPPING FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, WE HAVE STARTED OUR OFFICE HOURS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE HAD OUR FIRST ONE TODAY AND WE HAD A VERY ENTHUSIASTIC CROWD OF 14 PEOPLE.
IN FACT, WE NEEDED TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT VENUE WITHIN KATCH.
SO IT WAS A VERY LIVELY DISCUSSION FOR OVER AN HOUR ON A WIDE RANGE OF TOPICS.
WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON JANUARY, IN JANUARY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE SAME DAYS THAT WE HAVE THIS MEETING, JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY TO REMEMBER.
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BIO UPDATES FOR THE YEAR END REPORT, PLEASE LET US KNOW.AND THAT WILL BE, UM, COMING TO YOU IN THE JANUARY PACKET.
AND IF WE COULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION BY THE 10TH OF JANUARY AND GARY ALONG WITH THE, THE CHAIRMAN'S INTRODUCTION OR MESSAGE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SARAH, JUST FOR ME.
SO I'M, I'M OUT NEXT MONTH, SO, OKAY.
I'LL BE, AND YOU HAVE MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A PRETTY FULL AGENDA NEXT MONTH.
YOUR MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.