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          GOOD EVENING AND 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVESTREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, WILL WE'LL BE INVITED TO COME FORWARD UNDER EACH AGENDA ITEM, AND I'LL COVER SOME MORE OF THOSE DETAILS AS WE PROGRESS IN THE MEETING THIS EVENING. 
          WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, WE'LL HAVE A TIMER AND THE GREEN LIGHT ON THE MICROPHONE THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE DEMONSTRATED ON MICRO MICROPHONE. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE'LL GO OVER THAT. 
          THE LIMIT ON COMMENTS IS THREE MINUTES FOR EXPEDIENCY'S SAKE, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ADDRESS AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE THIS TIME. 
          IF YOU'LL ALL PLEASE JOIN ME WITH, FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE STAND. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. 
          TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. 
          IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          MS. BEAL, HAPPY DECEMBER AND WELCOME. 
          I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU. 
          WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. SNEER? MS. CALL HERE. 
          MR. ACK. 
          HERE. 
          HERE. 
          MR. FISHMAN. 
          HERE. 
          MR. CHINOOK. 
          HERE. 
          AND MS. HARDER HERE. 
          THANK YOU, MS. BEAL. 
          UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION 
          [ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 14TH TOUR, THE AUGUST, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE OCTOBER 5TH TOUR AND THE NO NOVEMBER 7TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          SO MOVED. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SUPER ACT. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER. 
          MS. BEAL. 
          MR. WE? YES. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          MS. MR. CHINOOK? YES. 
          MS. CALL? YES. 
          MR. SNE? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          I DO THINK THE MICROPHONE TIMER IS A LITTLE SHORT. 
           ENOUGH. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATTING OF PROPERTIES ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION. 
          IN EACH CASES. 
          IN EACH OF THESE CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY. 
          ANYONE WHO ATTEND INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED. 
          AFTER 10:30 PM THE ORDER THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST. 
          AFTER THAT IS PRESENTED, THE STAFF ANALYSIS WILL BE PRESENTED, UH, AND RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF. 
          THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS. 
          UH, AT THIS TIME, THE COMMISSION IS NOT MAKING DELIBERATION. 
          WE ARE NOT MAKING COMMENTS ON CASES. 
          WE ARE SPECIFICALLY ASKING QUESTIONS. 
          UH, AFTER THE QUESTIONS ARE ASKED OF BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, WE WILL INVITE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AT THAT TIME, YOU'LL ONLY BE INVITED TO COME UP. 
          AND AGAIN, I'LL GO OVER THAT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL LATER. 
          ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION MUST BE SWORN IN, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE. 
          SO IF YOU PLAN ON ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. 
          DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TONIGHT THERE'S ONE 
          [Case #23-111AFDP ]
CASE ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THAT CASE IS 23 DASH ONE 11 A FDP, THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR OVERLOOK AT CHART AND RIDGE. 
          DOES ANYONE FROM THE COMMISSION WISH TO PULL THIS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS, UM, DISPLAYED ON OUR, OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING. 
          SO MOVED. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SUPAK. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. WE, MS. BEAL. 
          MR. SOAK? YES. 
          MS. HARDER? YES. 
          MR. WE? YES. 
          MR. CHINOOK? YES. 
          MR. FISHMAN, MS. CALL? YES. 
          MR. SNARE? YES. 
          UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH OVERLOOK AT TARTAN RIDGE, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN FUTURE DISCUSSIONS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE ARE MOVING ON TO A CASE, UH OH. 
          UH, BEFORE WE WE GO ANY FURTHER, WE DO WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT. 
          WE DID REORDER THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS LIKELY TO BE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WE WANTED TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME. 
          SO WE REORDERED THE AGENDA TO INCLUDE THE MONETARY 
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DRIVE DEVELOPMENT EARLIER IN THE AGENDA. 
          SO THAT WILL BE THE NEXT UP CASE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY IN YOUR PATIENCE. 
          UH, OUR CASE 
          [Case #23-127INF]
MOVING ON IS CASE 23 DASH 1 27 INF. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW OF A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL FOR A MIXED RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USE. 
          THE APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRES SITE IS ZONED B-S-D-H-T-N BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, UH, HISTORIC TRANSITION, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED ON BOTH SIDES OF MONTEREY DRIVE, SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION WITH WEST WITH WESTBRIDGE STREET. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE WILL TURN THE TIME OVER TO MR. HUNTER AND CREW FOR, UH, CASE PRESENT APPLICANT PRESENTATION. 
          AFTER THAT, AGAIN, WE WILL HEAR FROM STAFF WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UH, WE WILL THEN CON, UH, PROCEED INTO QUESTIONS ONLY FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          AFTER THAT TIME, WE'LL INVITE THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE. 
          WELCOME. 
          NOT ON YET. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          OUR TIMER'S BEEN BROKEN, SO WE'VE HAD SOME DOESN'T WANNA STAY ON. 
          YOU DON'T. 
          MIKE, DO WE HAVE A MOBILE MICROPHONE? A PHONE? OKAY. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE. 
          WE HAVE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE ENSURE THAT NOT ONLY EVERYONE HERE CAN HEAR ANYONE AT THE MICROPHONE, BUT ALSO FOR PUBLIC RECORD PURPOSES, WE NEED, UH, A RECORD OF ALL OF THE COMMENTS MADE. 
          THOSE DO GET TRANSCRIBED, BUT THEY LISTEN TO AUDIO RECORDINGS TO TRANSCRIBE THEM. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THINGS IN ALL ORDER. 
          KARAOKE, . 
          WE COULD ALWAYS HAVE THEM PRESENT OVER HERE AND THEN JUST HAVE JUDY DO THE TIMER REMOTELY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE YOU, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GOING OVER TO THE STAFF POSITION, WE'LL HAVE YOU PRESENT THIS EVENING FROM THAT SIDE, AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THE CHALLENGES. 
          I'LL MAKE SURE THAT AS WE PROCEED, I'M COVERING JUDY'S REQUEST, MAKING SURE MICROPHONES ARE ON UNTIL SHE'S BACK. 
          WELCOME. 
          GOOD EVENING, MATTHEW STARER, 66 40 RIVERSIDE DRIVE FOR A MINUTE THERE, WHEN SHE WAS HANDING THE MICROPHONE, I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA SING CHRISTMAS CAROLS OR SOMETHING. 
          SO IT'S INTERESTING. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          I ONLY HAVE A FEW BRIEF COMMENTS BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO, UH, MY COLLEAGUE RUSSELL. 
          UM, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME HERE TONIGHT. 
          UH, THIS IS A SITE WE HAVE LOOKED AT AND WATCHED FOR A LONG TIME, OBVIOUSLY BEING RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UH, I LOOKED TODAY THE, THE CURRENT OWNERS HAD THIS SITE FOR EIGHT YEARS, AS MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS KNOW THAT ARE HERE. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORWARD TO THIS POINT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, NONE OF WHICH HAVE MATERIALIZED FOR VARIOUS REASONS. 
          UH, WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS, IS A GOOD FIT. 
          WE'VE OBVIOUSLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT AT BRIDGE PARK TO WATCH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE DEMAND HAS BEEN, UH, WHERE WE THINK THE NEEDS ARE O OVER TIME. 
          UH, SO WE THINK THIS, THIS PROPOSAL CAN RESPOND, RESPOND TO WHAT THAT MARKET NEED IS. 
          UH, BUT I, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN EVERYONE'S FEEDBACK HERE TODAY. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR QUESTIONS, ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE HERE TO TALK AS WELL. 
          SO WE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT FEEDBACK. 
          WE HAD A GREAT MEETING LAST FRIDAY WITH, WITH THE HWAY, WITH NICOLE AND KEITH, WHO I THINK MAY SPEAK HERE TONIGHT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE SHARED WITH THEM WHEN WE MET AND THEY CAME VERY PREPARED, UH, WHICH WE, WE BOTH APPRECIATED THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE ALWAYS BETTER WITH EVERYONE'S FEEDBACK, AND WE SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT. 
          AND WE, WE WELCOME IT. 
          SO LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING EVERYONE'S QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, AND I'LL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO RUSSELL. 
          THANK YOU, MATT. 
          UH, RUSSELL HUNTER, 66 40 RIVERSIDE DRIVE. 
          WILL THIS, OR DO I DO THE, OH, THERE WE GO. 
          UM, SO DID A QUICK DIVE INTO ZONING CODE JUST TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE, THE BIG PICTURE, UM, STUFF THAT WE HAD TO WORK WITH. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU SAID EARLIER, HISTORIC TRANSITION. 
          UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF PERMITTED USES WITHIN THIS AREA. 
          UM, TOWNHOUSE LIVE WORK, UM, MULTIFAMILY, FOUR AND A HALF STORY GENERAL, UH, HEIGHT RESTRICTION WITHIN THE AREA. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT THAT STOOD OUT TO ME AS I WENT THROUGH THE REVIEW WAS, UM, NO RESIDENTIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR FOR, 
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UM, THE BRIDGE STREET, BRIDGE, BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR. 
          UM, A LOT OF EVERYTHING ELSE IS, SEEMED FAIRLY STANDARD. 
          AND THIS IS AN INFORMAL, AND IT'S SUPER EARLY IN THE PROCESS. 
          I, I WANTED TO REALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF BIG PICTURE ITEMS, UM, THAT, THAT COULD MAKE OR BREAK THIS PROJECT. 
          AND SO WE JUST WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. 
          UM, I THINK THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, AS WE AT, AT OUR OFFICE, HAVE WATCHED THIS SITE, SEVERAL DEVELOPERS TAKE SHOTS AT IT OVER THE YEARS, UM, WE'VE ALWAYS KIND OF HAD A FEELING THAT EVERYONE WAS TRYING TO PUT TOO MUCH ON IT, RIGHT? THE ZONING CODE DOES ALLOW IT, RIGHT? LIKE THE FOUR AND A HALF STORIES, BUT IT NEVER FELT RIGHT. 
          UM, AND, AND SO WE WANTED TO TAKE ANOTHER STAB AT IT. 
          UM, LIKE MATT SAID, LEARNING WHAT WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT THE MARKET. 
          AND, AND SO I, I TOOK A FIRST STEP AT TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THINGS COULD FIT, BUT AS I'VE SAID DOZENS OF TIMES, THE FIRST PLAN IS NEVER THE FINAL PLAN. 
          AND THAT, THAT GOES FOR THIS PLAN AS WELL. 
          I THINK REALLY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS THAT THERE IS SOME AMOUNT OF SINGLE FAMILY THAT'S AT THE BACK, THE SOUTH HALF SOUTH, TWO THIRDS OF THE SITE, AND THEN THERE'S SLIGHTLY MORE DENSE PRODUCT TO THE FRONT OF THE SITE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR, AND THEN EITHER A COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL ABOVE THAT. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A PIECE OF CITY OWNED LAND THAT'S ON THE, ON THE, THE CORNER THERE THAT, THAT YOU CAN SEE. 
          UH, I DOES THIS WORK. 
          UM, WELL, YEAH, IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON THE SOUTH, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MONTEREY AND BRIDGE STREET. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGH SOME OF OUR CONVERSATIONS, BOTH WITH STAFF, WITH SOME OF THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES WITH CITY COUNCIL, UM, YOU CAN'T CURRENTLY BE BURIED IN A CEMETERY IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, OHIO. 
          AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE A NO-BRAINER THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING IS AN EXPANSION OF DUBLIN CEMETERY WITH THIS LAND. 
          PERHAPS IT COULD BE SOME SORT OF TRADE IN ORDER TO GET THE FRONTAGE TO GET THE CORNER PIECE AND THEN TO, TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND, UM, THE CEMETERY NOW EXACTLY HOW BIG THAT WANTS TO BE. 
          EXACTLY WHAT, HOW THAT TRADE STILL TO BE SEEN. 
          AND I WOULD EVEN SAY, UM, ON THE SINGLE FAMILY STUFF, THE TOWN HOME. 
          SO WE, WE TOOK A STAB AT SOME PRODUCT THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED IN UPPER ARLINGTON, UM, THAT'S SIMILAR TO SOME THINGS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM US AT BRIDGE PARK THAT PULTE IS DOING. 
          IT'S ON THE NEXT PAGE AS EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT SCALE COULD BE SO THAT WE COULD JUST START TO GET AN IDEA FOR WHAT THAT VISTA WAS. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN MONTEREY DRIVE, WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THOSE ARE NECESSARILY EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD BE. 
          I THINK WHAT'S IN OUR MIND IS SINGLE FAMILY FROM THAT, THAT LINE BACK, WHETHER IT'S TOWN HOMES, THERE MIGHT BE A WORLD IN WHICH IT'S, UM, PATIO HOMES, ONE AND A HALF, TWO STORY THINGS. 
          I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH THE COMMISSION AND WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE CONTINUE THIS PROCESS FOR US. 
          THE OTHER PERHAPS LARGER QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS ON THE UPPER STORIES OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG BRIDGE STREET? AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE PUT THAT, THAT SORT OF ORE, UH, ON THOSE BUILDINGS. 
          SO I THINK EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT THAT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE WANT ACTIVE USES ON THE GROUND FLOOR, BRIDGE STREET. 
          THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. 
          UM, THE CODE ALLOWS FOR RESIDENTIAL ABOVE. 
          UM, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR OFFICE ABOVE AS WELL. 
          WHAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH A LITTLE BIT ON THAT OFFICE ABOVE IS REALLY A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          ONE IS THAT THE OFFICE MARKET ISN'T GREAT RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK EVERYONE'S KIND OF HEARD THAT. 
          UM, THE SECOND AND PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WITH OFFICE COMES ADDITIONAL PARKING. 
          AND SO THE WAY THAT I LAID THIS OUT IN THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE THERE, UM, THEY BASICALLY WORK IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. 
          IF THOSE BUILDINGS UP FRONT WERE TWO STORIES AND THEY WERE ALL OFFICE AND WE INTRODUCED ONE RESTAURANT, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO ADD AN ENTIRE BAY ANO ANOTHER ROW OF PARKING IN ORDER TO MEET THE, THE ZONING REQUIRED MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS. 
          UM, WHICH THEN NOW YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, VIRTUALLY 200 FEET OF ASPHALT SEPARATING THOSE BUILDINGS FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          IT STARTS TO NOT FEEL RIGHT. 
          UM, SIMILARLY, UH, YOU KNOW, SO, SO WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT REPRESENTS WHAT'S ON THE PAGE RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE COULD DO A FLOOR OF, OF RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL AND THERE COULD BE A RESTAURANT IN THERE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, AND IF WE DID RESIDENTIAL ABOVE THAT, THEN THE PARKING THAT'S ON THE PAGE WOULD WORK. 
          SO WE COULD HAVE TWO OR THREE STORY BUILDINGS ALONG BRIDGE STREET, REDUCE THE PARKING ACCOUNT, REDUCE THE TRAFFIC, UM, THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY THOSE USES. 
          UM, AND I THINK STILL, UM, 
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CREATE A, A REALLY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? AND A NICE EXTENSION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THOSE ARE REALLY OUR BIGGEST QUESTIONS. 
          UM, TRYING TO GET A SENSE FOR WHERE EVERYONE'S HEADS ARE, UM, TO SEE IF THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PURSUE. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S REALLY IT. 
          UH, SO THAT I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, UM, TO PRESENT OTHER THAN TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE, LIKE I SAID, THE LAST PAGE ON THIS SHEET IS JUST A HANDFUL OF, OF EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT LOOK LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. 
          SO THE, UM, THE TOP RIGHT IS THE UPPER ARLINGTON PRODUCT THAT I TALKED ABOUT. 
          IT'S A THREE STORY CONDO WITH, UM, UH, GARAGES IN THE BACK. 
          HOLTE IS DOING THE ONE ON THE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT, UH, JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM US AT BRIDGE PARK. 
          THAT'S A MORE TRADITIONAL DESIGN. 
          PROBABLY FEELS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE, BUT THAT'S FOR EVERYONE TO DISCUSS. 
          THE ONE ON THE, ON THE, UH, THE LEFT THERE IS ACTUALLY A CLINTONVILLE PROJECT THAT WE DID WAY BACK IN THE DAY THAT HAS GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL WITH TWO LEVELS OF APARTMENTS ABOVE. 
          UM, AND IT'S RIGHT ON HIGH STREET THERE IN CLINTONVILLE. 
          SO EXAMPLES OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHERE WE WOULD END UP THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL I'VE GOT. 
          I THINK AT THIS POINT IT'S, IT'S REALLY OPEN TO QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. 
          THANK YOU MR. HUNTER. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AT THIS TIME WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO STAFF FOR THEIR PRESENTATION AND RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, WE WILL GO BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENT QUESTIONS AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, WANTED TO START BY JUST OUTLINING WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A VERY PRELIMINARY STAGE AT, AT THIS POINT. 
          AS MR. HUNTER MENTIONED. 
          THIS IS FOR FEEDBACK AND INFORMATION THAT'S NON-BINDING. 
          UM, IF THE PROJECT DOES MOVE FORWARD, THEN IT GOES TO THE CONCEPT PLAN STAGE WHERE, UH, THERE WOULD BE A LOT MORE DETAIL, AND THAT'S WHERE THERE WOULD BE SOME, UH, INITIAL DECISIONS. 
          AND IF THERE ARE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER AT THAT POINT, THAT CONCEPT PLAN ALSO GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, PROVIDED THAT MOVES FORWARD, THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND SUBSEQUENTLY TO A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, BOTH OF WHICH WOULD BE SUBJECT TO PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THE FINAL DECISION WOULD BE MADE BY THIS COMMISSION. 
          IF EVERYTHING IS APPROVED, THEN THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO BUILDING PERMIT, UM, REQUIREMENTS AT THAT POINT, WHICH IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THE, UH, WITH THE ACTUAL PROCESS ITSELF. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY AT THIS STAGE, UH, BECAUSE IT'S VERY INFORMAL, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY, UH, NEED TO MAKE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO THIS IS MORE OF AN OVERVIEW, UH, BUT WANTED TO POINT OUT THE LOCATION OF THIS SITE, UH, INCLUDES 13 PARCELS ALONG THE WESTBRIDGE STREET FRONTAGE, AND IT'S BISECTED BY MONTEREY DRIVE, UM, NORTH AND SOUTH. 
          THERE IS AN EXISTING GAS STATION AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION WITH ITS OWN CURB CUT ALONG WESTBRIDGE STREET AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, THERE USED TO BE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE, THE INTERSECTION AS WELL. 
          UH, THAT'S THE PARCEL THAT'S NOW OWNED BY THE CITY OF WESTERVILLE, UH, I'M SORRY, CITY OF DUBLIN , ALL OLD HABIT, DIEHARD THE, UH, YOU'RE JUST KEEPING US ON OUR TOES. 
          . 
          THE, UH, SITE IS, UH, ABOUT 8.9 ACRES. 
          IT, UH, THE SOUTHERN PARCELS WERE PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED BY DUPLEXES THAT WERE, UH, DEMOLISHED A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          UH, IT IS ZONED RED STREET DISTRICT, UH, HISTORIC, UH, TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT'S THE KIND OF LIGHTER COLOR THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP. 
          UH, IT ABUTS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PUBLIC, UM, ZONING ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE, WHERE THE CITY OF DUBLIN CEMETERY IS LOCATED, AND THE NORTH SIDE OF BRITT STREET, WHERE THE SCHOOL IS CURRENTLY LOCATED. 
          UM, WANTED TO SHOW THAT BECAUSE IF IT WERE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC CORE, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN MORE LIMITS ON THE HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS. 
          UH, IT IS, UH, SEPARATED FROM THE HISTORIC CORE BY THE, UH, CHURCH AND THE CEMETERY, AND TO THE SOUTH BY THE PARK AND FURTHER SOUTH, UH, MONTEREY, UH, UH, I'M SORRY. 
          THE, UH, WATERFORD VILLAGE, THE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IS INTENDED TO COMPLEMENT THE HISTORIC CORE OF, UM, OF DUBLIN BY ALLOWING SIMILAR VARIETY, VARIETY OF USES WITHIN THE DISTRICT, UH, ALONG WITH A FINER GRAIN STREET, 
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UH, NETWORK WITH BLOCKS AND, AND, UH, ALI. 
          SIMILAR TO, UH, THE HISTORIC CORE, UH, IT IS INTENDED TO EXTEND THE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT OF THE HISTORIC CORE, UH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE ARE LARGER PARCELS TYPICALLY. 
          AND SO THE TRANSITION, THE WORD TRANSITION IS THE KEY HERE IS, UH, UH, MOVING FROM THE HISTORIC CORE TO SOME OF THE ADJACENT LARGER USES. 
          IT DOES REQUIRE CERTAIN OPEN SPACE, UM, TYPES AND PATTERNS, UH, UH, HAS STANDARDS FOR BUILDING LOCATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, IT IS INTENDED TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL, UM, OPPORTUNITIES, AS WELL AS A MIXTURE OF USES, AGAIN, COMPLEMENTING THE CORE. 
          THE, UH, STREET SYSTEM THAT WAS ESTABLISHED AS PART OF THE BRIDGE STREET, UH, DISTRICT INCLUDES, UM, UH, SEVERAL CLASSIFICATIONS. 
          WEST BRIDGE STREET IS CLASSIFIED AS A CORRIDOR CONNECTOR STREET, AND ALSO AS A, A PRINCIPAL FRONTED STREET. 
          UH, THOSE DESIGNATIONS REQUIRE ADDITIONAL, UH, ATTENTION TO THAT STREET PROMOTING WALKABILITY, UH, PROMOTING USES THAT ARE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE AREA AND LIMITING THE CONFLICTS BETWEEN PEDE, PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES. 
          UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT, THEY ALSO PRO PROHIBIT RESIDENTIAL FROM GROUND FLOOR, UM, SPACES ALONG THE WESTBRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR. 
          MONTEREY DRIVE ITSELF IS A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, UH, FOR THAT CLASSIFICATION, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE, UH, SYSTEM WITHIN THE HISTORIC CORE, UH, FURTHER TO THE EAST. 
          SO, WITH THAT, JUST TO REITERATE, MR. HANNER WENT OVER THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT, BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS TO, UH, NOTE. 
          SO THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS TO, TO BE CLEAR FOR THE BRIDGE STREET FRONTAGE, AND YOU'RE ASKED FOR FEEDBACK ON, ESPECIALLY ONE OF 'EM. 
          ONE WOULD HAVE THE GRANT FLOOR COMMERCIAL SECOND FLOOR OFFICE. 
          SO THESE WOULD BE TWO, TWO STORY BUILDINGS. 
          OPTION TWO WOULD BE TWO, THREE STORY BUILDINGS WITH GRAND FLOOR, FLOOR, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, 40 UNITS OF RESIDENTIAL. 
          ON THE UPPER FLOORS, THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE WOULD BE THE 40, UH, THREE STORY TOWN HOMES, THE TECHNICAL TERM, AND THE CODE IS ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S THE, UH, UH, PROPOSAL. 
          IT IS LAID OUT IN A BLOCK SYSTEM AS THE, UH, CODE REQUIRES WITH, WITH STREETS AND, AND BUILDINGS RUNNING ON THOSE STREETS WITH POSSIBLE, UM, ALARMS FOR FUTURE CONNECTIVITY TO, UH, UH, POTENTIAL FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          THE, UH, OPEN SPACE IS, UH, ALSO IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN, UM, ACREAGES THAT ARE, UH, REQUIRED PER THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. 
          UH, IN THIS CASE, AGAIN, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO TRADE THE CITY PARCEL, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN RED FOR, UH, AN OPEN SPACE PARCEL TO ADD TO THE CEMETERY THAT'S OUTLINED IN BLUE. 
          UH, THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF, UH, THE DIFFERENCE, IT'S OBVIOUSLY BIGGER THAN THE CITY PARCEL, THE TOTAL ACREAGE AT THIS POINT WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AT THIS STAGE, UH, DOES ALLOW FOR BOTH AN EVEN TRADE AS WELL AS THE OPEN MEETING, THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, HOWEVER, IF WE GET INTO THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS, IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR FRONTAGE THAT OPEN SPACE TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND RUNNING ON A, ON A STREET. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S, UH, SOME OF THE DETAIL THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH AT THAT TIME. 
          THE, UH, LENGTH OF THE BLOCKS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS. 
          THE, UH, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS TECHNICALLY BY CODE IS FOUR STORIES FOR THE ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY, AND FOUR AND A HALF STORIES FOR THE BUILDINGS UP ALONG THE, UH, BRI STREET FRONT EDGE. 
          AND FINALLY, THE, UH, IN TERMS OF THE CHARACTER IMAGES, JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT IN TERMS OF CONTEXT, UM, DID SOME ROUGH MEASUREMENTS, UH, OFF OF GOOGLE IMAGES AND SO FORTH, JUST TO GET A FEEL FOR THE, UH, HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AND HOW IT, UH, COMPARES TO THE SETTINGS. 
          SO THE MIXED USE BUILDING FROM CLINTONVILLE IS ROUGHLY BETWEEN 33 35 FEET TALL. 
          THE SCHOOL BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, THE HISTORIC BUILDING, THE 1919 BUILDING IS ABOUT 35 FEET. 
          SO IT'S, UH, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A TWO AND A HALF STORY BUILDING, BUT OLDER BUILDINGS HAD, UH, TALLER CEILINGS, AND SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR, UH, HEIGHT. 
          SO WITH THAT, WE ARE, UH, LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION ON, UH, THREE QUESTIONS AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS. 
          ONE IS WHETHER THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF UPPER FLOOR RESIDENTIAL ALONG THE WEST STREET, UH, WEST BRIDGE STREET FRONTAGE. 
          TWO IS WHETHER THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE 
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OF THE, UH, PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT, UH, AT LEAST AT THIS STAGE. 
          AND THREE IS WHETHER THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE HEIGHTENED MASSING OF THE TOWN HALL BUILDINGS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND A AGAIN, WE'LL REITERATE THIS AGAIN, NOW IS THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION TO ASK BOTH THE APPLICANT AND THE, UH, THE STAFF REPRESENTATIVES. 
          ALRIGHT, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS, UH, AND WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT UP AS NEEDED. 
          WE DO HAVE A MICROPHONE OVER HERE NOW AND IT SHOULD BE WORKING. 
          SO IN FACT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, TO JOIN US NOW UP AT THE MICROPHONE FOR COMMISSION, COMMISSION QUESTIONS, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION. 
          LET'S START WITH MR. LAC. 
          UM, QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          YOU SHOWED A DRAWING WITH A STREET NETWORK AND, AND A CONNECTION, A POTENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTION FROM MONTEREY TO CORBIN. 
          RIGHT? UM, CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT? SO THE, UH, THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, UH, PLAN, UM, CONTEMPLATES CONNECTIVITY, UH, IN, IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO THE BLOCK SYSTEM AND, AND STREET SYSTEM THAT'S, UH, CONTEMPLATED IS ONE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW FOR THAT CONNECTIVITY. 
          THAT IS, UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONE THAT, UH, THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS THE ONE FROM THE BRIDGE STREET PLAN THAT THE, THE ROADWAY SYSTEM. 
          SO THEY, THEY HAVE DASH LINES THERE CON, UH, BASICALLY IN INDICATING POTENTIAL FUTURE CONNECTIVITY. 
          GOT IT. 
          BUT NO, NO PLANS OR NO UPDATE ON THAT OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN IT'S PART OF A PLAN, A DRAWN PLAN AT SOME POINT. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT, THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY, THAT'S NOT, NOT UNDER THIS APPLICANT'S, UH, OWNERSHIP. 
          DULY NOTED. 
          UM, QUESTIONS THEN ON THE, THERE'S A DR, THERE'S, IT'S SORT OF A DRIVEWAY, IT'S SORT OF AN ALLEYWAY, IT ADJACENT TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARCELS. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, THE GAS STATION, THE MARATHON GAS STATION. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S ON THE CORNER. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT PRIVATE? IS THAT, THAT'S ALSO PRIVATE AT THIS POINT? YES. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTION? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. LAC? NO, THANK YOU, MR. SNE. 
          UM, A QUESTION FOR CONSULT FOR THAT , UH, TWO QUESTIONS ACTUALLY FOR, UM, PERHAPS IT'D BE HELPFUL TO COMMENT ON, ON THE ZONING WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THE APPLICANT CAN DO. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS STATED, UH, IN A SUMMARY OF, OF WHAT THEY CAN DO UNDER THE ZONING WITH RESPECT TO BUILDING ANYTHING, WHAT, WHAT USES ARE PERMITTED THERE, UM, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. 
          AND THEN SPECIFICALLY WITH RESPECT TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, BECAUSE THE ZONING WOULD INDICATE THAT EITHER OF THOSE, UH, ARE PERMITTED USES. 
          SO COMMENTING ON WHAT OUR, UH, AUTHORITY WOULD BE WITH RESPECT TO DIRECTING ONE USE OVER THE OTHER. 
          AND CAN I EXPAND, I, I HAVE A FEW ITEMS BASED ON, UH, SOME OTHER, SO IF WE COULD HAVE STAFF, UH, YOU DID A GREAT JOB GOING THROUGH THE, WE'RE EARLY IN THE PROCESS. 
          THIS IS THE INFORMAL REVIEW, WHICH PROCEEDS CONCEPT PLAN, UH, FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, WE LIKE TO SAY THAT THE CONCEPT PLAN IS LIKE CRAYONS ON PAPER. 
          WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST IN OUR IMAGINATIONS, SO WE ARE EVEN BEFORE WE'RE TAKING CRAYONS ON PAPER, UH, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD BE LIKE YOU'RE PLACING DUPLO BLOCKS, KIND OF THOSE LARGE MASSING SCALE ITEMS. AND THEN WHEN WE GET INTO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THOSE ARE THE LITTLE DETAILS, THOSE ARE THE LITTLE LEGOS, MAKING SURE WINDOW TREATMENTS, WINDOW PLACEMENTS, UH, LIGHT FIXTURES, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS COME INTO HANDY, COME UNDER CONTROL. 
          HOWEVER, IF WE CAN EXPAND, UH, MR. SCHNEE'S, UH, QUESTION TO COVER ZONING, AS HE MENTIONED, ALONG WITH USES WITHIN THAT ZONING, AND THEN NEXT STEPS AND PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE FOR ENGINEERING, INCLUDING TRAFFIC STUDY, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND SCHOOLS. 
          SO SOME OF THAT, I, I IMAGINE THAT'S GONNA BE A TRADE OFF BE BETWEEN COUNCIL AND I'M, I'M WRITING THESE DOWN SO THAT I CAN, I DON'T LOSE MY WAY . 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I'LL START WITH THE QUESTION ABOUT ZONING DISTRICT AND USES. 
          AND, UM, AS I BELIEVE, UH, STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HAVE BOTH 
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NOTED, THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE WAY THAT OUR CODE IS SET UP IS THAT PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT ARE ALREADY ZONED. 
          SO IT DIFFERS IN THAT RESPECT FROM MANY OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT MAY COME IN AND ESSENTIALLY MAKES ITS OWN ZONING CODE FOR THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THAT APPLICATION. 
          UH, SO THERE'S NO, IT'S NOT A REZONING AT ALL TO ACCOMPLISH ANY OF THE USES THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, LAID OUT IN THIS APPLICATION. 
          UH, BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REGULATIONS IN TERMS OF LOCATION OF ACTIVITY FORM, UM, AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO BEAR IN ANY APPLICATION IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT. 
          SO TO, UH, RUN THROUGH USES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, DWELLINGS, TOWNHOUSE, LIVE WORK, AND MULTIPLE FAMILY DWELLING, UH, IN TERMS OF CIVIC OR PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS, COMMUNITY CENTERS, COMMUNITY GARDENS, DAYCARES, EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES, UH, SCHOOLS, LIBRARIES, MUNICIPAL PARKING PARKS AND OPEN SPACE COMMERCIAL USES, ANIMAL CARE BANKS, BED AND BREAKFAST, OR NO, EXCUSE ME, NOT BED AND BREAKFAST, EATING AND DRINKING ESTABLISHMENTS, EXERCISE AND FITNESS, HOTEL OFFICE, MEDICAL OFFICE, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, RETAIL. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE, THE PRIMARY USES THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON ANY SITE THAT'S IN THE HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO DOES THAT, DID THAT ANSWER WHAT YOU WERE ASKING? YES, THAT PART. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THE NEXT QUESTION THEN WAS AS TO SECOND STORY USES. 
          AND SO IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES ARE NOT PERMITTED ON THE FIRST STORY IN A MIXED USE BUILDING. 
          UM, THE ABILITY OF THE CITY AS A ZONING MATTER TO LIMIT A LAWFUL RESIDENTIAL USE ABOVE THAT FIRST STORY IS NOT THERE. 
          THERE'S NOT REALLY A ZONING, UH, CAPABILITY THERE. 
          UM, THERE CAN BE STEPS TAKEN AS TO THE FORM OF THE BUILDING THAT WOULD IMPACT HOW THAT SECOND STORY IS USED ON THE STREET FACING SIDE AND, UH, PERHAPS REMEDY SOME OF THE DIFFICULTIES THAT CAN COME WITH RESIDENTIAL FACIL RESIDENTIAL USES ON A STREET, AND ESPECIALLY A BUSY STREET LIKE BRIDGE STREET THERE. 
          SO WHETHER THAT BE, UM, IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING BALCONIES, THE, YOU KNOW, WINDOW TYPE OF TREATMENTS, ET CETERA. 
          UH, THE THIRD AND FINAL QUESTION, UH, IS OF MULTIPLE PARTS. 
          AND SO, UM, I'LL START WITH THE ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC STUDY, BECAUSE THIS IS ALREADY ZONED IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT HISTORIC TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THERE IS NO REQUIRED TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          THE STUDY OF, UH, THE TRAFFIC STUDIES WERE DONE AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS REZONED TO ITS CURRENT DISTRICT, AND THE INTENSITY OF USE WAS, UH, TOOK INTO ACCOUNT TRAFFIC STUDIES AND TRAFFIC PROJECTIONS THAT WERE MADE AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, THERE'S STILL ELEMENTS OF ENGINEERING IN TERMS OF WHERE CURB CUTS MAY BE, ET CETERA, TO HAVE A SAFE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WOULD IMPACT THE ZONING AND THEREFORE THE USE, THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT OR THAT ALREADY HAVE ANY, UM, STRAIGHT ZONING THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE QUESTION OF SCHOOLS AND IMPACT ON SCHOOL DISTRICTS, THE CITY, THROUGH IT'S PLANNING PROCESSES, FUTURE LAND USE PLANS, AREA PLANS, ET CETERA, UH, LAYS OUT WHAT IT SEES AS BEING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR 
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PROPERTY. 
          AND SO THE SCHOOLS IN TURN, UH, RELY ON THOSE PLANS WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THEIR OWN PROJECTIONS OF STUDENT POPULATION. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, THE PRESENCE OR ABSENCE OF POTENTIAL STUDENTS IS NOT REALLY A FUNCTION OF ZONING, UM, AND ESPECIALLY WHERE THESE, THE USES HAVE ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR A PARTICULAR PROPERTY. 
          AND LASTLY, IN TERMS OF, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT TOO IS OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF ZONING PER SE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS AN ELEMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN TERMS OF CONFIGURATION OF BLOCKS AND LOTS, ET CETERA, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, APPARATUS, ET CETERA. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER HAVING A RETAIL USE ON A PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS, UH, TENDS TO GENERATE PROPERTY CRIME, THAT IS NOT A ZONING CONSIDERATION, UH, THAT THAT COMES BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR REALLY IS A QUESTION FOR PLANNING STAFF. 
          AND THEN I BELIEVE, UM, THE FINAL PART OF YOUR QUESTION, UM, CHAIRWOMAN CALL WAS WHAT THE REST OF THIS PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, OR DID I MAKE THAT UP?  , I, I WENT OVER KIND OF THE BROAD STROKES. 
          IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ELABORATE FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. 
          SURE. 
          SO WE'RE HERE FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW TONIGHT AND, UM, BRIDGE STREET DEVELOPMENTS, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT DEVELOPMENTS HAVE A THREE STEP PROCESS THAT THEY GO THROUGH, ALL OF WHICH COMES THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND IS AN ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT TAKES US FROM, UM, THE INFORMAL REVIEW IS KIND OF A STEP ZERO, BUT THEN STEP ONE IS CONCEPT PLAN, AND THEY'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT LOTS AND BLOCKS, GENERAL SORT OF BUILDING MASSING, NOT A LOT OF DETAIL IN TERMS OF FINER ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. 
          UH, IT HAS ITS OWN CRITERIA AROUND THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE AT THIS ROUGH STAGE. 
          UM, THE NEXT STEP IS PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THAT BRINGS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, A LITTLE MORE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, ELEVATION TYPE OF CONSIDERATIONS. 
          IF THERE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVER, OR EXCUSE ME, IF THERE ARE WAIVERS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE TO ACCOMMODATE A REQUESTED DEVELOPMENT, THOSE WOULD GENERALLY COME BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THE TIME OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          IF THAT IS APPROVED, THEN FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMES FORWARD, AND THAT IS WHERE THE PENCILS ARE REALLY SHARPENED AND EVERY, THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAIL ARCHITECTURALLY, UM, IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING SITE DESIGN, ET CETERA. 
          SO, UM, ALL OF IT IS TO PROVIDE GREATER DETAIL THE CLOSER A PROJECT GETS TO BECOMING REALITY AND ALLOWING, UH, THE, THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO GET SORT OF CHECK-INS BEFORE THERE'S A GREAT INVESTMENT OF TIME AND, AND MONEY AND PROJECTS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BOGGS. 
          MM-HMM, , UH, AND TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, OBVIOUSLY THAT THERE'S NOT AS MUCH INTEREST IN THINGS LIKE SEWER LINES AND STORED WATER MANAGEMENT, BUT ALL OF THOSE ITEMS ARE COVERED LATER IN THE PROCESS AS WELL. 
          LOOKING BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONTINUATION OF QUESTIONS, MR. MR. SCHNEER, ONE THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT, THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS SPOT ON. 
          BUT, UH, IT BROUGHT UP ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT OUR AUTHORITY OR PURVIEW WITH RESPECT TO, UH, IN A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFYING WHETHER, UM, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE EITHER RENTAL OR CONDOMINIUM OR A SINGLE FAM OR OWNERSHIP OF, OF SOME SORT. 
          UH, RIGHT. 
          SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE PURVIEW TO MANDATE OWNER OCCUPIED OR, OR RENTAL OR, OR A PRECISE MIX OF EITHER OF THOSE TYPES OF PROPERTY OWNERSHIP AND TENANCY ARRANGEMENTS. 
          WHAT PLANNING LOOKS AT IS THE USE OF PROPERTY RESIDENTIAL, WHETHER THAT BE AN OWNER OCCUPIED PROPERTY OR A RENTER OCCUPIED PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SCHMEAR. 
          MR. CHINOOK, UM, I, I REALIZE WE, YOU, YOU REFERENCED THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, DENSITY 
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STUDIES AND EVERYTHING DONE IN THE AREA. 
          IS THERE A MEAN, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A LIGHT IN THERE, A TRAFFIC, UH, SIGNAL AT, AT MONTEREY AND BRIDGE STREET, IS THERE, ARE WE RESTRICTED BY THE PROXIMITY OF THE LIGHT AT CORBIN'S MILL OR ANY OTHER LIGHT? WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL? YEAH, SO I, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY STAFF. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WOULD THE CITY, SO IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, UH, THEY WOULD LOOK AT THAT INTERSECTION AND FOR A SIGNAL THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SIGNAL WARRANTS. 
          THERE'S A, A VERY SPECIFIC PROCESS FOR THAT. 
          UH, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER DETAILS ALSO THAT IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, WE'LL WE'LL BE EXAMINING ALL OF THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN A SECOND QUESTION AHEAD WAS THE, THE, UM, TRADE SPACE THAT THAT DOES THAT, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE THE, THE GREEN SPACE. 
          DO, DO WE MEET THE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT? DOES THAT TRADE SPACE FALL INTO THAT REQUIREMENT THEN IF IT IS POTENTIALLY USED AS EXPANSION OF THE CEMETERY? DOES THAT, THAT OBVIOUSLY AFFECTS THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE ON THIS SITE, RIGHT? SO THE ACREAGE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, IT ACCOMMODATES BOTH AN EXPANSION OF A CEMETERY AS WELL AS THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO THERE, THOSE COULD BE MET EVEN IF THERE WAS NO TRADE AND STILL MAKE IT EVEN IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY IS WOULD BE GIVING AWAY AND WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE TRAINING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO EVEN IF THE CEMETERY WOULD WERE TO EXPAND IN THAT AREA, THIS DEVELOPMENT STILL MEETS THE OPEN SPACE COR? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST THE LOCATION OF THE OPEN SPACE THAT WOULD, THE, THE, THE DETAILS OF HOW THAT OPEN SPACE IS INCORPORATED WILL HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WAY. 
          SO LET'S STICK ON THE CEMETERY FOR JUST A BIT. 
          UM, THE DRAWING HERE SAYS IT'S, UH, FRONTAGE AND OPEN SPACE, BUT THIS IS POTENTIALLY EXPANSION FOR THE, FOR THE CEMETERY, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S, YEAH, I, I THINK IT'S INTENDED FOR AN EXPANSION OF THE CEMETERY, WHETHER THAT'S THE ENTIRE SPACE OR WHETHER THAT'S ONE ACRE OF THE SPACE. 
          UH, I THINK THOSE DETAILS ARE TO BE CONTINUED TO BE DISCUSSED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S NOT, AGAIN, THE DRAWINGS IS OPEN SPACE, IT'S NOT BEING PLANNED AS OPEN SPACE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          UM, SECOND QUESTION, ARE THERE ANY, UM, IMPROVEMENTS TO BRIDGE STREET THAT ARE IN THE PLANS RIGHT NOW IN THIS AREA? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF AT THIS POINT, BUT AGAIN, AS PART OF THIS MOVING FORWARD, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THOSE, ANYTHING IS COORDINATED FOR THAT WITH TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY. 
          I DID HEAR THAT THERE WAS A MULTI-USE PATH BEING INSTALLED ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          IS THAT OR IS BEING PLANNED. 
          OKAY. 
          I, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO HOW THAT INTERFACES WITH THIS. 
          YEAH, THEY'RE PART OF THE CONVERSATION. 
          SO AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, WE'D MAKE SURE THAT, THAT ANYTHING IS ACCOMMODATED AS PART OF THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, THE BRIDGE STREET VISION PLAN HAD IT ENVISIONED THAT THE SCHOOL MIGHT GO AWAY AT SOME POINT AND THAT SITE MIGHT BE DEVELOPED. 
          UM, I DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT AREA. 
          I THINK THE AREA PLAN OR BRIDGE STREET SHOWS THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT. 
          DO YOU NOT HAVE THE AREA PLANNED OTHER THAN THE, UH, STREET NETWORK PLANNED? I, WHICH AGAIN, YOU DON'T NEED TO PULL IT UP. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE THE POINT THAT, UM, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET POTENTIALLY COULD CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND ACCORDING TO THE PLAN, IT WOULD PROBABLY FOLLOW A SIMILAR PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT AS IS EXHIBITED HERE. 
          SO I THINK WE DON'T, WE NEED TO NOT JUST LOOK AT THE ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, BUT THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN. 
          SO HOW DOES IT FIT IN? UM, JUST ONE COMMENT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ALL AWARE, BUT WE ARE CONDUCTING THAT FUTURE LAND USE KIND OF PLANNING OPERATION RIGHT NOW. 
          WE HAVE A PROJECT CALLED ENVISION DUBLIN THAT'S GOING THROUGH AND LOOKING AT WHAT THE FUTURE OF DUBLIN LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, ALL WE, ALL WE ARE CONSIDERING IS THE PARCELS AS DISPLAYED BEFORE US AS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          WE DO HAVE THOSE CONSIDERATIONS IN THE BACK OF OUR MINDS. 
          UM, WE INVITE THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE. 
          ENVISION DUBLIN IS ALSO PUBLIC MEETING. 
          AND SO YOU CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE OR ON THE ENVISION DUBLIN WEBSITE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. STAR. 
          MR. HUNTER. 
          UM, THERE'S A GREEN, UH, SPOT ON THE WEST SIDE OF ONE OF THE BUILDINGS CLOSE TO THE GAS GAS STATION. 
          WHAT IS, IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T EXTEND THE BUILDING INTO THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE? I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY PARTICULAR REASON WE DID IT. 
          I THOUGHT IT MIGHT'VE BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A, A PATIO OF SORTS, BUT YEAH. 
          YEAH, WE, WE HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT IT THROUGH IN GREAT DETAIL AT THIS POINT. 
          THAT'S WHERE I, THAT WAS THE NATURE OF MY QUESTION. 
          I I ASSUMED THAT YOU WERE LEAVING IT AS A SPACE THAT COULD BE USED FOR SOME KIND OF YEAH, BUT YOU, YOU PAINTED IT GREEN . 
          YEAH. 
          SO IS IT GREEN OR IS IT A PATIO? YEAH, SO JUST, I MEAN, COULD THE BUILDING COULD SHIFT AND IT COULD HAPPEN ON THE OTHER SIDE TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I, 
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I THINK THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT IS, IS THAT WE, IF WE HAVE THE ROOM TO SUPPORT PERHAPS ONE RESTAURANT THERE, THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE OUTDOOR DINING FOR IT. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THERE'S SOME AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON THAT FRONTAGE WHERE EXACTLY I THINK IS TO BE DETERMINED. 
          DETERMINED. 
          YEAH. 
          THE OTHER THING IS YOUR IMAGES SHOWED, UM, OUTDOOR ACTIVITY ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, NOT ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS INFORMAL REVIEW, SO I'M SURE YOU HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT THAT THROUGH YET, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WE, MS. HARTER. 
          UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          FIRST FOR THE CITY. 
          I HAVE ONE, UH, FOR YOU ALL TOO. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VERY BEGINNING STAGES AND HERE WE ARE, DO YOU, HAVE YOU DONE A SEARCH OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD SINCE IT IS VERY CLOSE TO A CEMETERY THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IN OUR HISTORY THERE, IT WASN'T A CEMETERY BEFORE THAT WE JUST NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO, UM, OR JUST TO THAT BIT OF INFORMATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, YEAH, I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY, BUT THERE USED TO BE SOME RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THAT LOT. 
          SO AT LEAST THE PRESUMPTION AT THIS POINT IS THERE IS NOTHING THERE. 
          BUT THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE, UH, STUDIED WHEN IT COMES, UH, TIME TO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS EXPANSION WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, CEMETERY THAT STILL HAS A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH CITY, UH, COUNCIL, WOULDN'T IT AT THAT PART TOO, TO YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IF I CAN DIRECT A QUESTION TO YOU ALL, UM, I'M JUST KIND OF GETTING FAMILIAR WITH, WHEN YOU MENTIONED UPPER ARLINGTON AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE THERE, HELP ME WITH HOW YOU ENTER THE BUILDING. 
          IS THE FRONT A FACADE OR, OR ARE YOU ALWAYS ENTERING FROM THE BACK? YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE IN, UH, LIKE CHICAGO OR NEW YORK, YOU'LL SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, A ROW AND IT MAY HAVE A BUSINESS THERE, BUT THEN THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE ALCO THAT YOU GO IN AND THERE'S LIKE 15 APARTMENTS UP THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING OF AT ALL, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE FRONT VERSUS BACK PARKING AND SO FORTH. 
          SO I THINK, UM, FOR, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOWNHOUSES OR THE FRONTAGE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FRONTAGE. 
          THE FRONTAGE, YEAH. 
          SO I THINK THE, THE INTENTION THERE WOULD BE, AND I, QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK THE ZONING ENCODER WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE FRONT DOORS ARE ON BRIDGE STREET. 
          NOW THERE, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE TENANTS TO HAVE ADDITIONAL, LIKE A SECONDARY ENTRANCE OFF THE BACK, BUT THE CODE IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THE FRONT DOORS ARE ON BRIDGE STREET. 
          AND ANOTHER QUESTION, JUST TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN HOMES. 
          UM, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ANYTHING ABOUT, UH, I'M, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THEY DON'T HAVE BASEMENTS, UH, IF, IS THAT CORRECT? I, FOR WHAT WE ARE SHOWING RIGHT NOW? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, SO LIVING IN OHIO, IT'S A GREAT EXTRA SPACE. 
          I LIKE THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          I'VE LIVED IN A PLACE WHERE YOU PARK IN A BASEMENT SETTING AND YOU'RE DOWN, MAKES A PLACE A LITTLE LOWER. 
          IS THAT ANY KIND OF THOUGHT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO DO ON THIS SITE? SO THE SITE'S FAIRLY FLAT. 
          UM, AND SO THE, THE WAY THAT THESE BUILDINGS WORK, AND I'M, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THEM BEFORE, RIGHT? IT, THE, THE GARAGES ARE ON THE BACK. 
          SO MOST OF THESE WILL HAVE THE GARAGE IN THE BACK AND THEN THERE'S A DEN OR, OR A BEDROOM OR SOMETHING DOWNSTAIRS AND THEN MOST OF THE LIVING AREA HAPPENS UPSTAIRS. 
          IF YOU WERE TO TO, TO SUBMERGE THAT SAY FIVE FEET, THEN YOU'VE GOT A RAMP FOR THAT. 
          AND SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, YEAH, IF, IF THE, IF THE GRATE IS ALREADY FLAT, THEN YOU'VE GOTTA FIND A WAY TO GET DOWN THERE AND IT JUST ENDS UP TAKING MORE SPACE. 
          UM, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          I HAVE NOT DONE THAT BEFORE. 
          UM, BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD END UP EATING UP A LOT OF SPACE TO GET THE, THE REQUIRED GRADING NECESSARY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          WE, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AT SOME PLACES ON BRIDGE PARK, BUT WE HAD GR ON OUR SIDE WHERE WE WERE WORKING ON A SLOPE ALREADY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME FOR EITHER STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE WILL PROCEED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          NOW IS YOUR TIME ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. 
          IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          THERE'S A BUTTON ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT NOW, THE MICROPHONE IS ON. 
          UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE GREEN LIGHT IS LIT. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND PLEASE LIMIT COMMENT TO THREE MINUTES TO BE SENSITIVE TO EVERYONE'S TIME. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS MANY PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC WHO SACRIFICE THEIR TIME TO COME FORWARD THIS EVENING ARE ABLE TO SPEAK. 
          SO YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON, PLEASE STATE YOUR 
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NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN JUDY WILL DISPLAY THE TIME THERE. 
          IS THAT ON? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES IT IS. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          MY NAME IS IRVIN KEITH BARNES, B-A-R-N-E-S. 
          I LIVE AT 2 7 9 CLOVER COURT IN WATERFORD. 
          UM, I WAS ONE OF THE TWO, NICOLE AND I MET WITH THESE TWO GENTLEMEN ON DECEMBER THE, THE FIRST. 
          UM, WE BELIEVE THEM TO VERY TRANSPARENT, UM, ABOUT THE PROPOSAL AND ALSO THEY WANTED COMMUNITY INPUT, WHICH I APPRECIATE CERTAINLY AS A, AS A, A NEIGHBOR, BUT I'M NOT HERE REPRESENTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAU BECAUSE WE'VE NOT YET HAD OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. 
          'CAUSE THERE ARE OTHERS THAT MAY HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS THAN I. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, OR OPPORTUNITIES PERHAPS THAT, THAT WE MIGHT HAVE. 
          UM, I HAVE HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK SINCE, SINCE WE MET, UH, FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS AND THERE'S ONE CONCERN THAT SEEMS TO BE COMMON THROUGHOUT AND I APPRE APPRECIATE MR. CHINOOKS SHOULD NOT BRING IT UP. 
          IT'S TRAFFIC. 
          AND I GUESS WHEN THE ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE, IT WAS CERTAINLY BEFORE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT, THAT'S OCCURRED IN OLD DUBLIN AS WELL AS BRIDGE STREET. 
          SO THINGS HAVE CHANGED. 
          UM, THERE ARE MANY, MANY DAYS WHERE TRAFFIC WILL BACK UP ALL THE WAY TO FRANZ ROAD AND LIVING THERE. 
          IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE. 
          IT'S CERTAINLY NOT SAFE TO TURN OUT, UH, OFF OF MONTEREY LEFT ONTO US 1 61. 
          THERE'S NOTHING SAFE ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THAT'S MANY HOURS OF THE DAY BECAUSE THERE'S FOUR LANES THERE AND THERE'S TRAFFIC FLOWING ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER ALMOST CONSTANTLY. 
          SO EVEN WITH FRIENDS OR PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALWAYS TELL 'EM TO EXIT THE OTHER END, GO DOWN TO FRANZ BECAUSE IT'S SAFER BECAUSE GOING UP THERE IT'S VERY DANGEROUS. 
          YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET OUT TURNING RIGHT, BUT IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TURN LEFT. 
          UM, AND ASSUMING TWO CARS PER RESIDENCE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 150 TO 200 AUTOMOBILES THAT ARE GONNA BE ADDED TO THE TRAFFIC FLOW ON MONTEREY. 
          WHILE ALREADY PEOPLE ARE USING MONTEREY AS A CUT THROUGH, THEY CUT THROUGH MONTEREY TO GO DOWN TO WATERFORD TO GO DOWN A HIGH, THEY, THEY CUT A TURN RIGHT ON MONTEREY TO GO DOWN TO WATERFORD TO GO DOWN TO FRANK, UH, FRANKLIN STREET NOW AND ON INTO DUBLIN WHERE THEY GO ALL THE WAY OUT TO FRANZ ROAD AND TURN RIGHT OR LEFT. 
          AND IT'S GETTING DIFFICULT ON FRANZ ROAD TO TURN LEFT BECAUSE THE INCREASED TRAFFIC THERE AND THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE TAKING PLACE ALONG FRANZ ROAD IS ONLY GONNA ADD TO THAT ISSUE. 
          SO TRAFFIC IS, IS IS A HUGE PROBLEM AND IT'S, IT'S A PROBLEM NOW. 
          AND I THINK TO ADD TO THAT, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY FAMILY PARK. 
          UM, AND THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO GET TO THE PARK. 
          WE LIVE ON CLOVERS. 
          I I, I WATCH THE PATTERN QUITE A BIT. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE SIDEWALK THAT GOES TO THE, THE, THE, THE PARK BECAUSE THEY ENDED THAT WAY DOWN, UH, CLOSER TO THE FRANZ ROAD. 
          SO EVERYBODY, UH, CUT GOING TO THE PARK, THEY HAVE TO GO DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND CROSS MONTEREY FROM CLOVER COURT. 
          THEY HAVE TO CROSS MONTEREY TO GET TO THE PARK, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT EVEN MORE UNSAFE, PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE ADDING 150 TO 200 MORE CARS, UH, ONTO THAT, THAT ROAD. 
          AND AGAIN, WE ALREADY HAVE AN INCREASED TRAFFIC. 
          WE'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW FOR EIGHT YEARS AND I'VE SEEN A, A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE JUST DURING THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          BUT THAT'S WHEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAS IN FACT OCCURRED IN OLD DUBLIN IN BRIDGE STREET. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, GETTING BACK TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT BROUGHT UP MAYBE  AND, AND JUST YOUR ALERT IS GOING ON FOR YOUR THREE MINUTES. 
          OH, IT'S, SO PLEASE BE SENSITIVE ABOUT 48 SECONDS. 
          SLOT 49, I THINK YOU'RE OVER TIME RIGHT NOW. 
          IT OKAY. 
          CHANGED YELLOW TO RED. 
          THERE WAS, THERE WAS A GUY HERE TONIGHT THAT'S A LOT SMARTER THAN I AM, I THINK. 
          AND, AND I'D LIKE TO LEAVE YOU, LEAVE YOU THIS IDEA, IT'S KIND OF THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, BUT HE SAID IF YOU MADE THAT AREA JUST ITS OWN COMMUNITY AND MAYBE BLOCKED IT OFF RIGHT WHERE THE PARK, UH, ENDS, UM, AND THEN THAT 150, 200 CARS, I MEAN, THAT MIGHT BE OKAY TO BE ABLE TO EXIT OUT ON, UH, US ONE 60 AND IT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM DRIVING BY THE PARK, BUT THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, UH, GOING BY THE PARK. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY MA THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER CONCERNS AND, AND AS A, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M SURE WE WILL, WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU AT SOME POINT, BUT THANKS A LOT. 
          THANK YOU MR. BARNES. 
          AND THEN A AS YOU'LL NOTICE WHEN YOU'RE UP HERE, THAT GREEN LIGHT WILL GO AND THEN IT'LL TURN YELLOW TO WARN YOU THAT THE TIME IS RUNNING OUT. 
          THE RED LIGHT WILL THEN GO ON AND THEN IT'LL START TO FLASH AS YOU GO OVER RIGHT HERE? YES. 
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OKAY. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE THAT COUNTDOWN. 
          FEEL FREE TO WARN ME 'CAUSE I, I DON'T . 
          IT'S A LOT GOING ON. 
          UM, NICOLE SALVA, S-A-L-V-A. 
          UM, SO I'M IN CHARGE OF OUR CIVIC ASSOCIATION, SO THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS BEEN VERY FAST. 
          UH, LIKE KEITH SAID, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A FORMAL MEETING WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I HAVE DISPERSED ALL THE INFORMATION FROM MEETING WITH CRAWFORD AND HOY TO OUR NEIGHBORS, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MEET FOR THEM TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, BUT BASED ON WHEN WE'VE MET WITH DEVELOPERS IN THE PAST, UM, I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF GO OVER OUR CONCERNS BASED ON THAT. 
          SO LIKE HE SAID, TRAFFIC, UM, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN INCREASED TRAFFIC JUST THROUGH THE FRANKLIN STREET LIGHT, GETTING HISTORIC DUBLIN, GETTING TO BRIDGE STREET. 
          WE'RE KIND OF A CUT THROUGH. 
          SO HAVING POTENTIALLY 160 CARS COMING THROUGH OUR STREETS IS A SAFETY CONCERN. 
          UM, AND ALSO JUST SCARY, UM, ESPECIALLY HAVING A FAMILY COMMUNITY. 
          SO I, MOVING FORWARD, I THINK OUR RESIDENTS WOULD REALLY WANT TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A COMMITMENT WITH THE CITY OF DUBLIN CRAWFORD HOEING TO MAKE SURE WE CAN COME TO A SOLUTION. 
          UH, SO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND NOT TO MENTION OUR SCHOOLS. 
          WE HAVE TWO SCHOOLS RIGHT THERE AT, RIGHT OUTSIDE, SO IT'S CONCERNING. 
          UH, THE SECOND PART IS THE DENSITY. 
          SO I KNOW 80 UNITS ARE PROPOSED. 
          OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS APPROXIMATELY 220 HOMES, SO WE'RE PRETTY SMALL. 
          SO 80 UNITS IS ABOUT LIKE, GIVE OR TAKE 36% OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD JUST IN THAT SMALL SIX ACRE AREA. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING THAT THAT IS ALL GONNA BE RIGHT IN THAT AREA AND THAT MANY UNITS. 
          SO PREVIOUSLY, UH, WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING NECESSARILY OF THE THREE STORIES. 
          ALL OF OUR HOMES ARE EITHER ONE OR TWO STORY HISTORIC. 
          DUBLIN IS TWO TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES. 
          SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUED. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TOWN HOMES AS YOU ENTER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT UM, KIND OF FLOWS AND IS CONSISTENT FROM HISTORIC THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WITH THE HOMES THAT WE HAVE THERE. 
          UH, LET'S SEE HERE. 
          UM, FOR THE CONDO VERSUS APARTMENTS, SO I KNOW THERE'S THE TOWN HOMES AND THEN THE 40 APARTMENTS PROPOSED, UH, WE PREFER THERE TO BE OWNERSHIP. 
          SO CONDOS, UM, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM OUR SCHOOL. 
          WE'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY OTHER DUBLIN SCHOOL THAT HAS APARTMENTS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. 
          SO THAT'S OF CONCERN. 
          UM, ALSO WE'RE A SMALL COMMUNITY. 
          WE'RE TIGHT KNIT. 
          WE HAVE ACTIVITIES, SO WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HAVE THESE INDIVIDUALS, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND BE PART OF OUR SMALL C COMMUNITY. 
          SO IDEALLY THE OWNERSHIP ASPECT WOULD BE IDEAL FOR US. 
          UM, NOT TO MENTION METRO CENTER IS GONNA BRING A LOT OF APARTMENTS, SO WE'RE JUST NOT SURE IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ALL THOSE APARTMENTS. 
          UM, THE OTHER CONCERN IS, UM, THE BUSINESS POTENTIAL FOR COMMERCIAL. 
          UM, IT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM OUR SCHOOLS, SO WHAT KIND OF STORES ARE GONNA GO IN THERE? UM, IS IT GONNA BE LIMITED? UM, SO IT'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH. 
          BUT, UM, DEFINITELY MOVING FORWARD. 
          I'LL CONCLUDE HERE 'CAUSE I KNOW I'M OUT. 
          UH, WE'RE OPEN TO ONGOING CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH CRAWFORD AND HOEING TO KIND OF FIND SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WILL BE SUITABLE, UM, FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE THERE YET OR, OR NOT THERE YET. 
          THANK YOU MS. ALVA. 
          AND, AND THEN I DO WANNA EXPRESS, THANK YOU. 
          THIS, THIS ROOM IS WONDERFUL FOR ACOUSTICS SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S ALSO VERY EASY TO HEAR WHISPERING. 
          YOU'VE DONE AMAZING THIS EVENING. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED, UH, RESPECT TO THOSE WHO ARE SPEAKING. 
          HI, CATHERINE LECHLEITER, L-E-C-K-L-I-D-E-R. 
          I LIVE AT 2 7 4 MONTEREY DRIVE. 
          UM, THESE ARE PRE-PREPARED COMMENTS, UM, BUT IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP MY COMMENTS ON POINT AND QUICK. 
          WE CAN'T HEAR YOUR VOICE. 
          HELLO? BETTER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'LL JUST LEAN, UH, THESE ARE PRE-PREPARED COMMENTS, BUT JUST IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP UH, MY COMMENTS ON POINT, I'M GONNA READ. 
          UM, GENERALLY I SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AND UNDERSTAND IT'S PART OF THE OVERALL HISTORIC BUSINESS DISTRICT PLAN. 
          A RICH AND WALKABLE BUSINESS DISTRICT IS A ESSENTIAL REASON, REASON WE MOVE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO BEGIN WITH BASED ON THE TRACK RECORD IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THIS INITIAL PROPOSAL AND MEETINGS BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE DEVELOPERS, I'M OPTIMISTIC IN MY SUPPORT AND WILLINGNESS TO PARTNER WITH CRAWFORD HORNE ON'S PROJECT. 
          I RECOGNIZE IT, RECOGNIZE IT'S THE FIRST STAGE PROPOSAL AND IT HAS LOTS OF POSITIVES. 
          I ALSO DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH DISCUSSION WITH NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS, UM, AND KNOWING THAT A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT WILL BE MADE IN PLANNING IF THIS PROPOSAL MOVES 
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FORWARD. 
          I WANNA OFFER AS MUCH FEEDBACK AS POSSIBLE, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO SCALE, BOTH OF PHYSICAL STRUCTURES AND DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, STYLE, TRAFFIC, UM, AND SAFETY IMPLICATIONS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS THE CITY RESPONSIBILITY. 
          OVERALL, WE NEED TO BE SURE WE, THIS IS UNDERSTOOD AS AN INFILL PROJECT ADJACENT TO ONE OF DUBLIN'S ORIGINAL NEIGHBORHOODS BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES RELATED TO SCALE AND STYLE, LESS, LESS HEIGHT, LESS DENSITY. 
          THIS ISN'T BRIDGE PARK, I UNDERSTAND THE ALLOWABLE ZONED HEIGHT AND YET WITH A CEMETERY TO THE RIGHT AND NO OTHER THREE STORY BUILDINGS WITHIN THE HISTORIC BUSINESS DISTRICT. 
          ANYTHING OVER TWO TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES WILL LOOK STARK AND OUT OF PLACE. 
          40 TOWN HOMES AND 40 APARTMENTS IS AN UNMANAGEABLE RESIDENTIAL VOLUME TO ADD TO THIS AREA AND IS NOT TO SCALE AND WON'T BLEND WELL WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          HOW CAN WE GET CREATIVE HERE? WHAT OTHER OPTIONS EXIST? ASIDE FROM THREE STORY TOWN HOMES, I HEARD SOME GREAT THINGS FROM CRAWFORD HO. 
          THANKS . 
          THIS IS JUST PRE-PREPARED. 
          UM, DIFFERENTIATING RESIDENTIAL HEIGHTS, POSSIBLY STAIRS. 
          STEPPING DOWN TO RANCHES DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PARK CEMETERY. 
          UM, 2, 4, 6 UNIT MULTIFAMILY UNITS LIKE ON NORTHWEST AVENUE AND GRAND VIEW OR TO ACHIEVE MORE FLOORS, POSSIBLY GARAGES, FAMILY ROOMS OR ENTRANCES. 
          SUNK HALF UH, GRADE BELOW GROUND LEVEL TO REDUCE HEIGHT. 
          ANY DEVELOPMENT SHOULD LOOK LIKE ITS ORIGINAL, NOT NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          GET INSPIRATION FROM GRAND VIEW. 
          UPPER ARLINGTON, WORTHINGTON, BRICK, MULTIFAMILY AND BUSINESS ORIGINAL PROPERTIES UNDERSTOOD THE TEST OF TIME. 
          UM, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY IMPLICATIONS. 
          THIS IS BY FAR MY BIGGEST CONCERN. 
          WE LIVE ON MONTEREY DRIVE AND HAVE A ACTIVE THREE AND 5-YEAR-OLD BOYS. 
          OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS HAVE FOUR KIDS. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS FULL OF YOUNG FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN. 
          THIS CAN'T NOT BECOME A CUT THROUGH STREET WHERE OUR CHILDREN'S SAFETY IS COMPROMISED. 
          TRAFFIC IMPLICATIONS HAVE TO BE COMPREHENSIVELY ADDRESSED ON THE FRONT END AFTER THE FACT LIKELY WILL NOT HAPPEN OR TAKE YEARS TO COMPLETE AND HAVE TO COMPETE WITH OTHER CITY TRAFFIC BUDGET ITEMS. UM, YOU KNOW, SPEED HUMPS ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA CUT IT. 
          WE NEED MORE SOPHISTICATED SOLUTIONS, UM, BUMP OUTS, TRAFFIC CIRCLES, ET CETERA. 
          BEYOND THAT, I DON'T THINK IT'S AUTOMATICALLY THE ANSWER TO ADD A TRAFFIC LIGHT BECAUSE IT MAY ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC DOWN MONTEREY, LET'S AGAIN GET CREATIVE POSSIBLY ENDING MONTEREY IN A CUL-DE-SAC BEFORE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND ROUTING NEW TRAFFIC OUT TO CORBINS MILL. 
          UM, FINALLY, THIS IS NOT A PROJECT IN ISOLATION. 
          NOT ONLY SHOULD CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN TO WHAT ELSE IS PLANNED LONG TERM FOR THE BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR, BUT MAJOR IMPACT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRAFFIC WILL ALSO COME FROM WHATEVER IS ULTIMATELY DEVELOPED IN THE HUGE FIELD ON FRANCE AND METRO PLACE. 
          UM, WHAT ELSE? I HOPE ALL THESE CONSIDERATIONS ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE NEXT PHASE PROPOSAL AND TRAFFIC PLANNING. 
          UM, AND I HOPE THIS FEEDBACK IS RECEIVED POSITIVELY WITH UNDERSTANDING THAT WE SIMPLY OWE IT TO OURSELVES TO TAKE A STRONG NEGOTIATING POSITION. 
          I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF POTENTIAL AND FOR CREATIVE THINKING, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO COLLABORATING IN THE FUTURE. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, MS. LANNER. 
          MY NAME IS MARYANNE CLARK. 
          I LIVE AT 1 46 CORBIN'S MILL AND AS A DAILY WALKER THROUGH MONTEREY PARK. 
          THE PARK IS MY CONCERN. 
          WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING ALL OF THESE PEOPLE, BUT WE'RE NOT EXPANDING THE PARK AS SOMEONE WHO WAS THERE FREQUENTLY. 
          THE PARK IS USED A LOT. 
          WE HAVE YOUNG FAMILIES. 
          I TAKE MY GRANDCHILDREN. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS, AND IT'S NICE THAT THE CEMETERY WILL GET SOME PROPERTY, BUT THE WAY THIS DESIGN IS, THERE'S NO WAY TO EVER EXPAND THE PARK. 
          SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD ALL THESE PEOPLE. 
          AND DUBLIN IS SO BIG ON PARKS, BUT YET WE'RE GOING TO ENCLOSE THIS ONE. 
          SO WE CAN NEVER REALLY HAVE IT GROW TO ACCOMMODATE THESE. 
          I ALWAYS TALK WITH MY HANDS, UM, ACCOMMODATE ALL THE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE DOGS. 
          I MEAN, I DIDN'T SEE ANY GREEN SPACE FOR A DOG PARK OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, A DOG AREA, WHICH MEANS THAT'S ALL GOING TO FILTER OVER TO THE PARK. 
          AND A LOT OF OUR CONDOS, THEY ARE OLDER PEOPLE AND THEY DO WALK THEIR DOGS OVER THERE EVERY DAY. 
          SO I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER TOO. 
          THE PEOPLE CURRENTLY LIVING THERE, OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, HOW OUR LIFESTYLE IS, WHAT WE'RE USED TO DOING. 
          UM, I JUST THINK THAT, UH, WE NEED TO LIMIT THE IMPACT OF THAT ALSO IF WE CAN. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, MS. CLARK. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS SCOTT HERRING. 
          I LIVE AT 32 80 LILY MAR COURT. 
          THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER, BUT I'M HERE. 
          AND I JUST HAD A COMMENT ABOUT, IF I WANNA MAKE SURE I HEARD THIS RIGHT, THERE'S REMARKS ABOUT LAND SWAP THAT THE CITY WOULD FORFEIT SOME PROPERTY BUT GAIN SOME OTHER, AND YET THAT PROPERTY ONCE SURRENDERED TO THE CITY, COULD STILL COUNT FOR OPEN SPACE ON THIS PROJECT. 
          IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT. 
          SO I JUST LISTENED, UH, FOR SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WE'LL ADDRESS ITEMS AT THE END. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER FOUR PUBLIC COMMENT? 
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HI, MY NAME IS TRISH PUCCI. 
          I LIVE AT 3, 2 5 OLD SPRING COURT, UM, CLOSE TO THE PARK, CLOSE TO THE HORRIBLE TRAFFIC. 
          LIVE IN A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY. 
          AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 15 YEARS AND MY BROTHER HAS BEEN A DEVELOPER ALSO FOR, SINCE THERE WAS A UNION, UH, WAS IT A UNION GAS STATION ON THE CORNER, , YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE WAS LIKE NOTHING HERE. 
          UM, I'VE SEEN THIS COMMUNITY GROW AND GROW AND GROW MANY WAYS. 
          IT'S VERY NICE. 
          BUT WE ARE SO OVERRUN WITH APARTMENTS. 
          ARE THEY EVEN FILLING THE APARTMENTS BY BRIDGE STREET? ALL THOSE FLAT ROOFED APARTMENTS? ARE THEY EVEN FILLING THEM? DO WE NEED MORE APARTMENTS IN THAT LITTLE AREA? WHAT WE NEED IS MORE GREEN SPACE, EXPAND THE APARTMENT, I MEAN, EXPAND THE, UM, THE, THE GREEN SPACE, THE, THE PARK. 
          LIKE THIS LADY SAID, UM, PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA DIE. 
          WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME MORE, UH, SOME MORE OF THE CEMETERY. 
          I'M REALLY, I'M TOTALLY AGAINST ALL THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T MIND A FEW TOWN HOMES, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE PROFITABLE. 
          I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE MAYBE SOME SINGLE HOMES GOING THERE. 
          DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CANNOT TURN LEFT. 
          I LIVE RIGHT BY, UM, 1 61. 
          I HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN MONITORING, TURN ON FRANZ ROAD JUST TO GO TO THE CORNER TO KROGER'S. 
          THAT'S HOW BAD THE TRAFFIC IS. 
          IT'S REALLY BAD. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY, BUT PLEASE DON'T OVERDEVELOP THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS AS HE COMES UP? AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST OF A FEW MEETINGS THAT WILL TAKE PLACE SHOULD THE DEVELOPER CHOOSE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. 
          YOU'RE ALWAYS INVITED TO COME AND YOU'RE ALWAYS INVITED TO ALSO SUBMIT COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE. 
          I'LL TURN, UH, MY NAME'S MIKE SCALIC AT 2 4 9 OLD SPRING LANE. 
          MY APOLOGIES I DIDN'T STAND UP AND GET SWORN IN EARLIER. 
          SO IF YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT, BUT I, I DO SWEAR THAT I'M GONNA TELL THE TRUTH HERE. 
          THAT'S THAT I, I'LL, I'LL SWEAR YOU IN JUST SO THAT WE DO HAVE A CLEAN RECORD. 
          IF IT, IF EVER CAME DOWN TO THAT, I CAN DO IT OR THE CHAIR CAN DO IT IF YOU HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? YES, I DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, SO YEAH, ONCE AGAIN, MIKE S GALLIC, UH, 2 4 9 OLD SPRING LANE. 
          UM, I'LL START OFF WITH SAYING, GIVEN THE OTHER PROPOSALS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THIS, IN THIS LOCATION, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST REASONABLE ONE THAT WE'VE SEEN. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT IN HERE. 
          UH, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES FIT IN WELL WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AT LEAST. 
          AND I, I TRIED TO GET THE, THE OTHER DADS GROUPS TO SHOW UP AND THEY'RE LISTENING IN NOW. 
          SO THIS COMMENTS FOR ALL THEM. 
          THEY DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, TRAFFIC. 
          THEY DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT APARTMENTS. 
          UM, AND ESPECIALLY WITH SCHOOLS. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE'RE ALREADY HAVING ISSUES WITH PASSING LEVEES. 
          UM, AND I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS A CLOSE ONE ON THE LAST, ON THE LAST ROUND. 
          WE NEED MORE SCHOOL SPACE. 
          ADDING MORE PEOPLE HERE JUST ADDS TO THAT PROBLEM. 
          SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THAT. 
          UM, GIVEN ANY OF THE TRAFFIC AND WALKABILITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I KNOW WE ALL WANT TO HAVE THAT, UH, COMING OUT OF THERE WITH FAMILIES AND WALKING DOWN TO BRIDGE PARK, WALKING TO OLD DUBLIN, THE 1 61 BRIDGE, UH, BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR, ESPECIALLY ON THE CEMETERY SIDE, IS FAIRLY DANGEROUS. 
          YOU ARE WITHIN THREE FOOT OF SEMI-TRUCK COMING DOWN, 1 61 THROUGH THERE. 
          UM, THAT'S ALWAYS A MAJOR CONCERN I HAVE. 
          UH, WHEN WE ADDED THE LIGHT OVER AT, AT FRANKLIN, THAT'S GREAT. 
          IT'S MUCH SAFER THAN HAVING TO GO THROUGH WITH THE PUSH BUTTON. 
          HEY, LOOK OUT, CARS AREN'T GONNA STOP HERE. 
          UM, BUT WHEN YOU CROSS THE STREET, THERE'S STILL RESTRICTIONS ON THE SIDEWALK THAT MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO WALK DOWN THROUGH INTO OLD DUBLIN. 
          UH, ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF THE, THE VETERINARY CLINIC. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S BENCHES AND SIGNAGE AND TREES AND OTHER, AND THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WAY WHERE YOU'RE WALKING SINGLE FILE. 
          UM, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT. 
          SO IF, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO IN THIS PROJECT TO LOOK AT MAKING THIS AREA A BETTER SAVEABLE, WALKABLE TYPE DISTRICT, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK IT'S A LITTLE STRANGE THAT WE HAVE TO BUST OUR KIDS. 
          YOU KNOW, I CAN HIT A GOLF BALL TO THE SCHOOL, BASICALLY. 
          MAYBE NOT ME, BUT SOME OF THE GOLFERS ON THE STREET PROBABLY CAN, BUT THERE, THERE MIGHT BE AN OPTION THAT THEY CAN GET THE SCHOOLS TO BE WALKABLE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IF THERE'S SOME OTHER 
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WAY TO CROSS 1 61, MAYBE THAT'S, UH, A BRIDGE, MAYBE THAT'S A TUNNEL, SOMETHING THAT CAN ALLEVIATE THAT, AND THAT WOULD ALSO HELP PEOPLE GET ACROSS THE STREET THERE. 
          SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UH, COMING OUT FROM THIS, THIS LOCATION. 
          AND I, I WOULD INVITE ANY OF YOU TO WALK THROUGH THAT AREA, BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET DOWN 1 61 WHILE TRAFFIC'S COMING THROUGH. 
          IT'S NOT THAT FUN. 
          IT IS YOU, I MAKE SURE KIDS, YOU'RE ON THIS SIDE. 
          IF YOU'RE GETTING HIT, DAD'S GONNA HIT THE CAR. 
          THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA WORK. 
          SO, UH, I APPRECIATE THE TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE THERE ANY FINAL ME, MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT VIA THE LIVE STREAM? WE DID RECEIVE ONE, UM, WHICH I WILL READ, AND IT IS FROM ANDREA, UH, MILNER AT 3 2 3 CLOVER LANE IN DUBLIN, OHIO, 4 3 0 1 7. 
          I WOULD STRONGLY DISCOURAGE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN AS PROPOSED, BASED UPON THE FOLLOWING. 
          ONE, AN INCREASE DE DEGREE OF OVERCROWDING AND CONGESTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          THIS WILL ONLY EXACERBATE THE EXISTING QUAGMIRE THAT IS RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC ON BRIDGE STREET. 
          PERHAPS ALSO CONSIDER ADDING A TRAFFIC LIGHT. 
          NUMBER TWO, MORE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC ON MONTEREY DECREASES THE SAFE SPACE FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY. 
          NUMBER THREE, OVERCROWDING OF THE LOCAL SCHOOLS. 
          NUMBER FOUR, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE WILL BE ILL MATCHED TO THE DUBLIN AESTHETIC. 
          AND NUMBER FIVE, WHY IN THE AGE OF REMOTE WORK WOULD THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDE MIXED USE OFFICE SPACE. 
          THERE ARE CURRENTLY OFFICES IN THE CITY THAT ARE FAR UNDERUTILIZED, AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT BY THE CONCLUSION OF THIS PROJECT, THAT UTILIZATION RATE WOULD CONTINUE TO DECLINE. 
          THANK YOU, ANDREA. 
          THANK YOU MS. ROUSH. 
          ALRIGHT, LAST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO COMMISSION DELIBERATION. 
          SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND LOOK TO THE COMMISSION FOR FEEDBACK AND FOR, UM, DELIBERATION ITEMS ON THIS, ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. 
          MR. SCHNEER, CAN WE START WITH YOU THIS EVENING? CERTAINLY. 
          UM, AS ALWAYS, I KNOW I SPEAK FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE WELCOME AND APPRECIATE THE, UH, PUBLIC RESPONSE AND, AND INTEREST IN OUR PROCEEDINGS. 
          UH, SOME ARE MORE INTERESTED AND INTERESTING THAN OTHERS, AND THIS IS CLEARLY ONE OF THEM. 
          UM, I, I, I'M EMPATHETIC BECAUSE I LIVE IN OLD, UH, IN HISTORIC DUBLIN. 
          SO, UH, I WALK THOSE STREETS AS WELL. 
          UM, ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO REITERATE, WE ARE CONSTRAINED AND LIMITED AS A COMMISSION WITH WHAT WE HAVE AUTHORITY OVER WITH RESPECT TO, AS WE'VE GONE BACK THROUGH SEVERAL TIMES NOW, THE, THE USE OF THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T REWRITE, UH, THE LEGISLATION, THE CODE. 
          IT'S, IT'S THERE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO, TO WORK WITH. 
          UM, I THINK THIS, I I WILL SAY, I THINK THIS PROJECT, UH, IT IS A GOOD START. 
          UM, IT'S AN INTERESTING, YOU ALL REPRESENT, UM, APPROPRIATELY THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF THIS AREA. 
          BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, AS WAS MENTIONED BY, UH, UH, AT LEAST, UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTERS, THE FRONT OF THIS IS ON A STATE ROUTE, STATE ROUTE 1 61. 
          LIKE, IF, IF THERE WASN'T A RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE BACK, THIS WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, I WOULD THINK, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT DO YOU WANT TO BUILD ON A STATE ROUTE, UH, HIGHLY TRAFFICKED, UM, THAT GOES, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WHERE 1 61 GOES. 
          SO ON ONE SIDE YOU'VE GOT THIS STATE ROUTE AND BEHIND IT YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN YOU HAVE A GAS STATION AND YOU HAVE A CEMETERY. 
          WHAT WORKS THERE? HOW DO YOU ACCOMMODATE WHAT SEEMED TO BE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE NEEDS, YOU KNOW, NEEDS AND DESIRES? SO, UM, I COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR, UH, MAKING AN EFFORT TO DO SO. 
          I LIKE THE MIXED USE. 
          UM, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF GREATER WALKABILITY AND ATTRACTIONS ON, YOU KNOW, IN, IN DUBLIN. 
          UM, THAT'S WHY I MOVED DOWN THERE. 
          UM, THERE ARE, I, I THINK OTHER EXAMPLES OF AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED CLOSE TO SCHOOLS. 
          THE, YOU KNOW, THE MALL AND UPPER ARLINGTON IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM JONES MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND THERE'S RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL AND THERE'S OFFICES ABOVE THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S RES RESIDENCES OR NOT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY COMMERCIAL. 
          UM, DOWN IN GRANDVIEW HEIGHTS NEXT TO, UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE 
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ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THERE'S A, A CENTER, A STRIP CENTER, IF YOU WILL, ON OXLEY THAT HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS. 
          I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A BAR THERE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S LITERALLY A BAR WITHIN 200 YARDS OF, UH, OF THE, THE PLAYGROUND FOR THAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          I NOT COMMENTING ON GRANDVIEW HIGH ZONING, BUT IN, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HE HERE. 
          BUT NONETHELESS, UH, I DO THINK THEY CAN, THEY CAN COEXIST. 
          SO IN SUMMARY, I THINK IT'S A GREAT, I THINK IT'S A GREAT START. 
          I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THAT. 
          AND EVEN IF I DIDN'T, THE CODE, UH, PRESCRIBES IT ANYHOW, AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND WITH THE RESIDENTS AND GETTING TO THE BEST OUTCOME WE CAN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SCHNEER. 
          MR. FISHMAN, COULD, COULD YOU HIT YOU? THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. 
          UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE RESIDENTS COMING. 
          UM, AND, AND, UH, UM, YOU LIVE THERE, YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE EXPERTS THAN WE ARE ON, ON WHAT SHOULD BE THERE OR WHAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. 
          I I THINK THAT THE SITE'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED. 
          UH, I THINK THAT, AND, AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT I, I THINK THAT THE, THE SITE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S WITH WHAT YOU HAVE NOW DEVELOPED WITH ANY MUCH CREATIVITY. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE TOWNHOUSES SITTING THERE IN ROWS AND, AND, AND TWO BIG SURFACE PARKING LOTS. 
          UM, AND, AND THE STRIP FOR THE CEMETERY. 
          UM, I, I THINK THIS AREA DESERVES SOMETHING REALLY CREATIVE AND, AND, AND REALLY BEAUTIFUL. 
          EE EVEN THOUGH IT SITS ON 1 61, IT'S PRETTY VISIBLE TO PEOPLE WHO COME INTO DUBLIN AND, AND, AND, UH, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, I ALWAYS WANNA SEE SOMETHING A LITTLE LESS DENSE WHEN WE'RE GETTING AWAY FROM BRIDGE, THE CENTER OF BRIDGE PARK. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT LESS DENSE, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND CREATIVE, UM, THAT, THAT, UH, UM, UH, BECAUSE, UH, YOU, YOU DO BACK UP TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF CONSIDERED THE CENTER OF, CENTER OF DUBLIN. 
          IT'S, IT, THE SCHOOL IS THERE AND, AND, AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S A VERY VISIBLE, UM, UH, WELL USED NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO, UM, AS I SAID, I'M NOT GONNA DESIGN THE SITE FOR YOU, BUT I THINK THAT, THAT WE CAN REALLY USE SOME CREATIVITY, MAYBE LOWER THE DENSITY A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, THE, THE, UH, TOWNHOUSES ARE PROBABLY APPROPRIATE, UM, UH, BUT MAYBE ARRANGED DIFFERENTLY AND, AND, AND, UM, UH, SOME LESS DENSITY. 
          WE, WE, WE DON'T NEED MORE TRAFFIC THERE. 
          I DROVE THERE TODAY AND THE RESIDENTS ARE DEAD, RIGHT, UM, ABOUT GETTING OUT ON, ON, ON THE, UH, UH, ROAD. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE RESIDENTS COMING AND, AND I APPRECIATE YOU. 
          I, I, I'M, I'M SURE YOU'VE, UH, UH, DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS LIMITED TYPE SITE, BUT I THINK WE, WE, WE NEED SOMETHING THAT IS A WOW PEOPLE, THAT SOMETHING IS REALLY CREATIVE, UM, THAT, THAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA CAN BE KIND OF PROUD OF. 
          SO THAT'S MY COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. FISHMAN. 
          MR. CHINOOK. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          TIME FOR THE LAST, UM, I, I, I AGREE WITH, UM, WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN SAID SO FAR. 
          I DO, I DO THINK IT'S A REALLY NICE START. 
          UM, IT'S DEFINITELY CHALLENGING, UM, WITH, WITH THE, I FEEL FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN LATE FOR WORK MANY TIMES SITTING ALMOST 61, UM, GOING, GOING THERE IN RUSH HOUR. 
          BUT I, I, I THINK THAT PART OF, PART OF WE TALK ABOUT A LOT IS WALKABLE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, AND, AND TRAFFIC, RIGHT? TRAFFIC COMES UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC STUDIES AND I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO START TO CONSIDER AS A COMMUNITY, AND MAYBE THIS COULD COULD START, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, DOING ALL THIS TRAFFIC MITIGATION, BUT JUST ELIMINATING AS MUCH TRAFFIC AS WE CAN BY CREATING A TRUE WALKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE WE CAN CREATE THINGS THAT WE CAN WALK TO. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE EXAMPLE OF WALKING TO SCHOOL, WHILE YOU CAN TAKE A LOT OF TRAFFIC OUT IN THE MORNINGS, IF PEOPLE, IF KIDS CAN WALK TO SCHOOL AND PARENTS AREN'T DOING DROP OFFS IN THE MORNING. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I THINK WE CAN CONSIDER MORE SAFETY DOWN 1 61 MORE. 
          AGAIN, JUST MAKING IT MORE WALKABLE TO GET PEOPLE NOT DRIVING. 
          THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S GONNA HELP TRAFFIC. 
          NOT MORE TRAFFIC CIRCLES, NOT, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC LIGHTS, EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          IT'S JUST LESS CARS AND MORE, MORE THINGS TO WALK TO. 
          SO I, I LIKE THE ATTEMPT HERE OR THE PROPOSAL HERE OF ADDING SOMETHING IN THESE FRONTAGE BUILDINGS THAT, WHETHER IT'S A RESTAURANT THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK TO FROM THE MONTEREY NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN PUT UP THERE. 
          JUST AGAIN, THAT THAT'S ALL THE THINGS THAT, THAT REDUCE THE TRAFFIC. 
          UH, THE, I THE IDEA OF PERHAPS CUTTING OFF MONTEREY AND MAKING ITS OWN COMMUNITY. 
          I, I'M, I GUESS I'M NOT AS IN FAVOR OF THAT IDEA BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST PROBABLY MOVING THE PROBLEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          THERE'S STILL GONNA BE TRAFFIC, SO NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA PUSH IT DOWN TO MAKE IT A PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD FOR, FOR ANOTHER AREA. 
          SO I THINK WE CAN MAYBE, AGAIN, CONSIDER THAT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER, THE LAST THING I'LL 
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SAY IS, UM, I AGREE WITH MR. FISHMAN'S COMMENTS ABOUT JUST GETTING A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE WITH THE TOWN HOMES. 
          IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PAVING THERE. 
          THERE'S JUST, AND AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S PRELIMINARY, BUT I JUST THINK ABOUT THE LAYOUT. 
          WE'RE GONNA INEVITABLY HAVE KIDS CUTTING THROUGH THERE TO GET TO THAT PARK. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF PAVING, A LOT OF DRIVING. 
          SO I WOULD JUST, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT JUST KIND OF GENERAL PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AS IT'S LAID OUT HERE. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS WE CAN DO TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER, SORRY, I DID HAVE ONE MORE THING. 
          THE GREEN SPACE PIECE. 
          I'M STILL, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE CONFUSION ABOUT THE, WHAT THIS, THIS, THIS TRADE AREA IS, DOES THAT ACCOUNT FOR THE GREEN SPACE? AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL HEAR ON THE NEXT ROUND IS USABLE GREEN SPACE. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE THIS GREEN SPACE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, BUT FROM OUR, OR MY PERSPECTIVE, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE. 
          IT'S, IT'S USABLE GREEN SPACE. 
          THE POINT OF HAVING GREEN SPACE IS MAKING IT USABLE. 
          THE, THE, THE PARK'S VERY CROWDED AS IT IS, AS SOMEONE MENTIONED. 
          CAN WE EXTEND SOME OF THAT TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT? CAN WE INCLUDE SOME MORE TRUE, USABLE GREEN SPACE IN ITS DEVELOPMENT? BUT I'M IN GENERALLY IN FAVOR FOR, IN FAVOR OF IT. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB. 
          IT'S A GREAT START, BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF, A LOT OF QUESTIONS, A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK, MS. HARDER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, I AM GRATEFUL THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT. 
          'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE HAVE BEEN LOTS OF PEOPLE LOOKING AT IT AND HAVING DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS ABOUT WHAT REALLY SHOULD BE THERE, AND ALSO THAT YOU ARE MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          I THINK THAT IS, UM, A GREAT STARTING POINT. 
          AND I'M HEARING THAT YOU NEED TO KEEP ON DOING THAT FOR, UM, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS. 
          I THINK YOU CAN LEARN A LOT FROM THEM, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR, UH, FOR ME, MY FEELING IS ABOUT THE, THE FLOW IT NEEDS TO HAVE THIS, UM, CREATIVITY, BUT ALSO YOU'RE FLOWING INTO A, INTO A, A LOVELY NEIGHBORHOOD, INTO A LOVELY PARK. 
          UM, AND, UM, AND JUST SO IT ALL HAS THIS, UH, A FLOW, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THERE TOO. 
          BUT I DO, I THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, I, I FIND IT INTERESTING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. 
          IT IS REAL TODAY. 
          IT WAS A POLICE OFFICER THAT LET ME TURN LEFT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UM, JUST SO HAPPENED TO, HAD A SECOND. 
          AND YOU LET ME COME IN THERE SO THAT IT IS AN ONGOING ISSUE OVER THERE THAT, UH, IS NOT NEW TO ALL THE RESIDENTS. 
          SO FINDING A, A CONCERN ABOUT THAT, I THINK, UM, WILL BE IMPORTANT. 
          UM, I DO, UM, ENCOURAGE WITH THE NEIGHBORS MEETING WITH YOU, BUT ALSO REACHING OUT BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS HAVE A GREAT WAY TO, UM, SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT THE ISSUES. 
          BUT ALSO THEY COULD BE REACHING OUT TO LIKE, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS TOO, BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, I KNOW OVER AT S IOTA HIGH SCHOOL, THERE'S AN APARTMENT AROUND THERE, AND HOW ARE THEY ALL, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING TOGETHER ON THAT ISSUE FOR SAFETY AS WELL AS, UM, THE LANDSCAPING, UM, IN BETWEEN ALL THAT AS WELL TOO. 
          UM, HAVING MOUNDS AND SO FORTH AND THINKING ABOUT THAT IN THOSE REGARDS TOO. 
          UM, TALKING ABOUT ALSO, UM, THE, THE, I MENTIONED THE FLOW, STAYING AWAY FROM THE VIEWS TO ME ARE IMPORTANT TOO, THAT WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT, UH, THE, THE SIDE WHERE, WHERE SOMEONE'S LIVING, LOOKING OUT WHAT, WHAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT AND SEEING, SEEING, UM, UH, THAT TYPE OF, OF VIEW IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT IF YOU NEED TO SET SOMETHING BACK OR, UH, AWAY FROM IT. 
          SO THAT, AND THEN THE WALKABILITY THERE ARE, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WALKABILITY, THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING, THERE ARE A LOT OF YOUNG, YOUNG STUDENTS WHO ARE WALKING ON THOSE ROADS TOO. 
          SO THINKING ABOUT, UM, THAT AGE GROUP AND, UH, AND, AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT TOO. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE THE IDEA WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FLOW TOO. 
          IT'S LIKE, THERE'S THE PARK, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE CEMETERY PART OF THAT COULD BE CREATIVITY ABOUT, ABOUT YOUR ENTRANCES. 
          LIKE WHAT ARE YOU COMING INTO? UM, AND THAT MAY BE, UH, NEW ENTRANCES LOOKING, IT MAY BE ARTWORK. 
          UH, YOU CAN REACH OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND FIND WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITIES IN ART THAT WAY. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, I I ALSO THINK A DOG PARK IS SOMETHING WE, WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT AND CAN WE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION WHERE THAT, THAT IS TOO. 
          UM, TREES, TREES ARE QUITE IMPORTANT. 
          LOOKS LIKE MANY ARE GONNA NEED TO COME DOWN. 
          WHAT TYPE OF TREE'S GONNA BE THERE IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THERE TOO. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THAT, UH, GETS ME TO MY END THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. HARDER MR. WAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGAIN. 
          I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S EQUALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HEAR YOUR VOICE, BUT ALSO THE DEVELOPER AND YOU'RE ON RECORD, SO EVERYTHING IS, IS, UH, RECORDED AND IS THERE FOR EVERYBODY TO CONSIDER OVER TIME. 
          UM, I THINK WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT THAT THIS PROJECT SEEMS TO FIT WELL INTO 
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THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE, AND SO IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR US TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING THAT KIND OF WOULD GO AGAINST THAT CODE, AND WE'RE HERE TO REINFORCE AND SUPPORT THAT CODE. 
          UM, I THINK IN TERMS OF THE USES ALONG BRIDGE STREET, UH, MR. HUNTER, UH, ADDITIONAL PARKING WOULD NOT BE GREAT. 
          SO I WOULD TOTALLY SUPPORT RESIDENTIAL VERSUS OFFICE. 
          AND AS I THINK SOME OF THE COMMUNITY SAID IN THEIR COMMENTS TONIGHT THAT THE OFFICE MARKET, YOU KNOW, IS, IS A CHALLENGE. 
          AND I, I KNOW YOU, YOU ALL KNOW THAT VERY WELL. 
          SO I, I THINK THE LAYOUT, UM, OF THE SITE IS TO, TO ME, IS WORKS WELL. 
          I I TRULY BELIEVE IN KIND OF TRANSITIONAL LAND USES. 
          SO THE IDEA OF TRANSITIONING FROM SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED TO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TO THEN A A, YOU KNOW, MULTI-STORE BUILDING, UH, ON A BUSY CORRIDOR IS A PERFECT TRANSITION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, KNOWING HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO DO LAYOUTS ON TIGHT SITES LIKE THIS, UM, THIS, YOU'VE, YOU'VE MANAGED TO GET IT ALL IN THERE AND WORK VERY WELL. 
          AND, AND THE TOWNHOUSES WITH THE, YOU KNOW, KNOW WITH THE GARAGES IN THE REAR, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A, A DIRECTION THE CITY HAS BEEN REALLY PUSHING FOR. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT CONCEPT WORKS VERY WELL. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'RE AT A VERY PRELIMINARY STAGE. 
          I KNOW IT'S GONNA GET SO MUCH BETTER AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS. 
          UM, I THINK THE HEIGHT ISSUE, UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE WELL WITHIN THE HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT PARAMETERS OF THE DISTRICT, I THINK YOU'RE ACTUALLY COMING DOWN TO THREE STORIES IS ACTUALLY KIND OF A COMPROMISE. 
          I THINK YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY'D LIKE TO CONSIDER TWO STORIES. 
          SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SHOW US WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AND, AND, AND LET US CONSIDER THE LOOK AND FEEL BASED ON HEIGHT AND MASSING AND ALL OF THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE AT THE NEXT STAGE OF THIS. 
          SO I, AGAIN, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. 
          I THINK IT, IT FITS IN WITH TO THE CODE AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE EVOLUTION OF IT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WHITE, MR. SOUP BLACK. 
          I TOO, UM, I'M GONNA START BY THANKING EVERYBODY. 
          UM, UH, FORGIVE ME IF I, IF I OVERLOOK ANYBODY, BUT I'LL ACTUALLY DO FIRST NAMES, I THINK AS I HAVE THEM. 
          KEITH, NICOLE, CATHERINE, MARY, SCOTT, TRICIA, UH, MIKE, ANDREA. 
          WE ALSO HAD PUBLIC COMMENT IN OUR, IN OUR COFFERS FROM CAROL, ERIC, TERRY. 
          UM, I THINK WE HAD, UH, SOME FACEBOOK'S AND OR NEXTDOOR COMMENTARY AND OR WATER WATERFORD CIVIC ASSOCIATION, UM, LETTERS PUBLISHED INTO, INTO OUR RECORD. 
          JUST SO EVERYONE HEARS AGAIN, WE ARE BETTER BECAUSE YOU DO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. 
          WE LEARN, WE LEARN. 
          THERE ARE TO EVERYONE'S COMMENTARY UP HERE. 
          WE CAN DO CERTAIN THINGS. 
          UM, WE CAN'T DO OTHER CERTAIN THINGS, RIGHT? SO, UM, WE DO TAKE IT WITH, TAKE IT. 
          WE DO TAKE YOUR GUIDANCE. 
          WELL, UM, UH, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HEAR, AND AGAIN, TO THE POINT OF, UH, THE DEVELOPERS, UH, I THINK ARE BETTER FOR IT AS WELL. 
          APPLAUD THE USE GENERALLY THE, THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT. 
          GENERALLY, THE COMMERCIAL ALONG THE THOROUGHFARE, OF COURSE STARTS TO BECOME A BUFFER, AND THAT BUFFERS DOWN STEPS DOWN TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THAT STEPS DOWN TO THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? THAT'S, WE CAN AGREE THERE. 
          THAT'S A REALLY NICE WAY TO, TO DEAL WITH THIS SITE. 
          UM, CERTAINLY BETTER THAN THE RUNDOWN HOMES AND THE CLOSED GAS STATION THAT HAVE BEEN THERE. 
          UH, NOT, NOT TOO RECENTLY. 
          UM, APPLAUD THE COLLABORATIVE THINKING BEHIND THE, THE TRADE FOR LAND. 
          HOWEVER, THAT'S MANIFESTING. 
          THAT IS, UM, AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WANTS TO BENEFIT FROM WHAT IS BEING DEVELOPED HERE. 
          AND THAT'S A NICE, A NICE SORT OF QUID PRO QUO THAT, UH, OPENS NICE DOORWAYS, EVEN IF THE SPECIFICS ARE STILL TO BE DETERMINED, APPLAUD THE, UM, MEETINGS THAT ARE HAVE THUS FAR HAPPENED WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'LL BE MORE MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          AGAIN, WE ARE AT A VERY, VERY EARLY STAGE. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, RUSSELL, YOU SAID IT. 
          WELL, THIS IS PLAN ONE. 
          IT'S NOT, NOT, NOT THE FINAL PLAN. 
          UM, THAT'S ALWAYS, THAT ALWAYS MAKES FOR GOOD CO-DESIGN SOLUTIONS, UH, RIGHT. 
          THAT, THAT HELP EVERYBODY GET TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING. 
          I THINK IF I'M SUPPLEMENTING RELATIVE TO ALL OF THAT, CATHERINE, I THINK YOU, YOU SAID SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT STA POTENTIALLY STAIR STEPPING THE MASSING AS IT APPROACHES TO THE SOUTH, I TOO WOULD BE AN ADVOCATE, ADVOCATE FOR THAT. 
          UM, GENERALLY WE CAN ALL AGREE TRAFFIC IN THIS TOWN AND AT VARIOUS TIMES IS CONSTANT AND REAL AND EVER EVOLVING FOR ALL OF US, RIGHT? UM, UM, LORD KNOWS WE ALL, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST A TRIP TO THE, THE NEAREST STORE, WE ARE CHOOSING OUR PATH STRATEGICALLY, RIGHT? SO THAT IS, UM, A SOURCE, A SORE SPOT, AND A CONCERN AT ALL, UH, AT ALL POINTS. 
          UM, THE, THE UNFORTUNATE PART, UH, IS THAT THIS PROPERTY, THESE OWNERS STILL HAVE RIGHTS TO 
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DEVELOP WITHIN THE CODE AS IT'S CURRENTLY LAID OUT. 
          AND THAT WILL, UH, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THAT DAY-TO-DAY BURDEN FOR, FOR ANY OF US. 
          SO THE HOPE WOULD BE CAN WE LEVERAGE THAT COLLECTIVELY TO IMPROVE OUR SITUATION? WELL, UM, WE TOUCHED ON IT A COUPLE TIMES IN HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT TAKES, AND IT'S NOT REALLY OUR PURVIEW AT ALL, BUT MAYBE WE CAN, MAYBE WE CAN ALSO BE ON RECORD BEING ADVOCATES FOR IT. 
          A LIGHT AT THE END OF MONTEREY SOLVES A NUMBER OF VERY INTERESTING CONCERNS. 
          ONE IS THE TRAFFIC AND GETTING OUT THERE. 
          TWO IS ACTUALLY, IT PUTS CROSSWALKS RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? GOING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET TO THE SCHOOL. 
          SO SUDDENLY LIFE AND SCHOOL LIFE AND WALKING TO SCHOOL LIFE ALL CHANGES FOR A WEALTH OF PEOPLE, RIGHT? UM, MIKE, I THINK YOU SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT WALKABILITY ON 1 61. 
          IT BAD. 
          IT IS, IT IS ATROCIOUS. 
          I CANNOT, EVERY TIME I CROSS THE BRIDGE, RIGHT? WE HAVE THIS WONDERFUL BRIDGE PAR BRIDGE PARK OF ALL THE PLACES. 
          WE HAVE THIS WONDERFUL BRIDGE PARK, WE HAVE THIS BRIDGE GOING FROM BRIDGE PARK, NOT THE WALK, NOT THE WALKING BRIDGE, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC BRIDGE. 
          THIS BRIDGE GOING FROM BRIDGE PARK TO, UM, TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          AND IT FEELS LIKE, I MEAN, THERE IS, IT IS A DEATH TRAP, RIGHT? . 
          UM, SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THAT ACROSS THE BOARD, I, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK WE HAVE THE, THE, UM, ACTIVE CAMPAIGN AT PRESENT SLOWDOWN, SLOWDOWN DUBLIN, RIGHT? AND I HATE TO SAY IT, NOBODY WANTS MORE LIGHTS EITHER AS YOU'RE SORT OF MEANDERING DOWN THE STREET, BUT ANOTHER ONE HERE WOULD START TO SLOW, HELP SLOW EVERYTHING AS IT'S GOING THROUGH THE DISTRICT AS WELL. 
          AGAIN, THAT IS NOT OUR, NOT ACTUALLY OUR PURVIEW EXACTLY. 
          UM, AND OR CONSIDERING IT'S A STATE ROUTE, I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH. 
          BUT AGAIN, MAYBE, MAYBE THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HELPS US, UM, PUT PRESSURE ON THAT IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. AK. 
          UM, BEFORE I GET INTO MY COMMENTS, I DO WANT TO MAKE MENTION OF A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BEFORE, UH, THE LAND SWAP IN OPEN SPACE, UH, THAT IS SOMEWHAT ANECDOTAL AT THIS POINT IN THE CONVERSATION. 
          UM, UH, I, FOR ONE, AM GRATEFUL THAT THAT IS SOMEONE ELSE'S PURVIEW TO DISCUSS LAND SWAPS, ACQUISITIONS, AND ALL OF THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT. 
          AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE COMMISSION. 
          OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT APPLICATIONS MEET THE CODE AND OPEN SPACE IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE, AND SO SHOULD THE APPLICATION MOVE FORWARD, THAT IS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE WILL TAKE, UH, VERY CONSCIENTIOUSLY. 
          UM, IN THE PAST, IF YOU'VE SEEN ANY OF OUR DELIBERATIONS, OPEN SPACE IS A SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION. 
          NOT ONLY THE PROPORTIONS AND THE CRITERIA MET, BUT ALSO THE NEEDS OF THE OPEN SPACE, UM, AS RELATIVE TO THE RESIDENTS AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT DOG PARK, ET CETERA. 
          THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE SHOULD THIS APPLICATION CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          ADDITIONALLY, UM, AS MR. SOAK MENTIONED OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING AND WE HAVE PUBLIC EARS. 
          AND SO THE COMMENTS THAT I HEARD, AND AGAIN, MIKE, I THINK THIS WAS YOU, UH, ABOUT SIGNAGE IN WALKWAYS AND OBSTACLES IN WALKWAYS, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE LIKE IN OUR CITY. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH A NEW APPLICATION OR NOT. 
          SO SINCE WE HAVE STAFF EARS, JENNY, WOULD YOU MIND GOING BACK AND TALKING TO CODE ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT OBSTRUCTING WALKWAYS, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE SENSITIVE AREAS WHERE WE NEED SAFE TRAFFIC. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THOSE WERE THE, OH, AND THEN JUST ONE OTHER, UH, MIKE, AGAIN, I THINK IT WAS YOU, UH, TUNNEL OR CROSS WALK OVER 1 61. 
          OBVIOUSLY THAT IS A VERY LARGE PROJECT THAT HAS MANY, MANY STAKEHOLDERS, AND THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OR OUTSIDE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. 
          BUT IT IS AN INTRIGUING IDEA. 
          MR. W COMMENTED THAT THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE SCHOOL PARCEL. 
          AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A SCHOOL DISTRICT DECISION IN COMBINATION AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY. 
          MOST LIKELY, NONE OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE, ARE IN OUR PURVIEW, AT LEAST NOT RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT AGAIN, STAFF PLANNING STAFF IS WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS, AND THAT IS AN INTERESTING IDEA. 
          WITH THOSE BEING SAID, UM, I ALSO AM GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE LOTS BLOCKS, STRUCTURE, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          CRAWFORD HOING HAS BEEN A GOOD PARTNER WITH THE CITY AND HAS COME FORWARD WITH A LOT OF PLAN ZS THAT ARE, THAT ARE VERY NICE. 
          THE ARCHITECTURAL AND AND CHARACTER IMAGES I, I DO THINK HAVE, ARE, ARE LACKING. 
          I'VE SEEN CRAWFORD HOING BRING FORWARD APPLICATIONS THAT ARE MUCH MORE CONDUCIVE TO WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR 
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IN PARTICULAR AREAS. 
          AND IF YOU HAPPEN TO STAY AROUND, I THINK THE ARCHITECTURAL KIND OF FEEL FOR THE NEXT APPLICATION WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS EVENING WOULD BE VERY NICE TO SEE IN, IN A FUTURE APPLICATION OF CRAWFORD HOING. 
          UH, I AM ALSO SENSITIVE TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WHILE IT WOULD BE NICE IF EVERYTHING STAYED THE SAME, IT'S NOT REALLY REALITY BECAUSE IF EVERYTHING IS STAYING THE SAME, THE WORLD IS CHANGING. 
          AND SO THAT'S CHANGING. 
          IT'S JUST CHANGING IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          UH, THE CEMETERY EXPANSION, AGAIN, OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT WOULD BE NICE AS A RESIDENT OF DUBLIN TO BE ABLE TO BE BURIED IN DUBLIN. 
          UH, IF WE LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE FLOOR COMPONENT, I SEE THAT ACTIVATING IN A POSITIVE WAY, NOT JUST ADDING TRAFFIC, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE NEGATIVE IMPLICATION OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT I SEE IT INVIGORATING THIS PARTICULAR AREA. 
          AS YOU DRIVE DOWN 1 61, YOU CAN SEE SOME AREAS THAT ARE NEW. 
          YOU CAN SEE METRO CENTER IS GETTING SOME REVITALIZED IN THIS AREA A LOT. 
          I USED TO WORK AT 400 METRO PLACE AND NOW I WORK DOWN FURTHER ON FRANCE. 
          SO I DRIVE THIS AREA A LOT, A LOT. 
          BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOME INVIGORATION. 
          IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMPLIMENTARY THAT DOES NOT PUT UNDUE BURDENS ON EXISTING RESIDENTS OR EXISTING BUSINESSES OR EXISTING, UH, INSTITUTIONAL OR SCHOOL USES, BUT BREATHES A LITTLE BIT OF LIFE INTO THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND HOPEFULLY STARTS SOME POSITIVE CHANGE THAT MAKE GETTING TO THE GROCERY STORE EASIER, THAT MAKE GETTING YOUR KIDS TO SCHOOL EASIER. 
          AND SO I AM SUPPORTIVE WITH THE CAVEATS, RIGHT? WE ARE AT IMAGINATION STAGE AS WE COME FORWARD AND WE LOOK AT CRAYON STAGE, WE'LL LOOK AT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL DETAILS AND HOW THIS PENCILS OUT, HOW THIS AFFECTS THOSE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU NEED CLARIFICATION FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT I, WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I, I TOOK A LOT OF NOTES, SO WE HAVE ALL THE NOTES. 
          I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE, A COUPLE POINTS TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS THAT MAY HAVE COME UP OR COMMENTS THAT CAME UP. 
          SO KIDS ARE ALWAYS AN INTERESTING ONE. 
          WE TALK ABOUT THIS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT OTHER MEETINGS, JUST A DATA POINT, SO WHETHER IT'S RELEVANT OR NOT, BUT WE HAVE 520 RENTAL UNITS AT BRIDGE PARK. 
          WE HAVE 14 SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN TODAY. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE STATISTICS. 
          I LOOKED THEM UP WHILE WE WERE LISTENING. 
          UH, DENSITY THERE. 
          32 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          THIS IS 11 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          DIFFERENT SITE, DIFFERENT DENSITY. 
          UM, AND OBVIOUSLY COMMENTS ON, UH, SCALE, YOU KNOW, THOSE IMAGES WERE OBVIOUSLY INTENDED TO REPRESENT SCALE AND MASSING PROBABLY MORE THAN DESIGN. 
          SO I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY WE'LL TAKE THAT MUCH FURTHER. 
          THESE ARE RECTANGLES ON PAPER WITH, UH, LITTLE GREEN TREES THAT YOU GET IN A PROGRAM. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE THAT FURTHER, OBVIOUSLY. 
          AND STORIES VERSUS HEIGHT, I THINK IS AN ALWAYS DIS AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION. 
          WE TALK A LOT ABOUT STORIES, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY ALL ABOUT THE HEIGHT. 
          SO, UM, JUST WANNA KEEP THAT IN CONTEXT. 
          BUT I THINK WE, WE HAVE THE DIRECTION, WE, WE PREFER THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, ON THE UPPER FLOORS. 
          IT'S A BETTER PARKING SOLUTION. 
          UM, IT HELPS WITH THE TRAFFIC. 
          CERTAINLY MORE CARS WITH OFFICE AT THE WRONG TIME OF THE DAY ARE GONNA EXACERBATE THAT EXISTING PROBLEM. 
          SO APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS AND ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM EVERYONE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE THOSE. 
          CRAWFORD HOING IS TYPICALLY PRETTY GOOD WITH OPENING THOSE LINES OF COMMUNICATION AND KEEPING THE LINES OF OPEN COMMUNICATION OPEN WITH RESIDENTS AND WITH EFFECTIVE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          WE WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO DO SO AND, AND EXPECT NOTHING LAST. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THIS IS INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          THE, UH, THE COMMISSION TAKES NO ACTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AT THIS PARTICULAR PHASE. 
          FUTURE DISCUSSIONS WOULD TAKE ACTION AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD CONTINUE ON WITH THAT. 
          PUBLIC IS CERTAINLY WELCOME TO STAY, UH, BUT WE WILL BE MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT CASE. 
          IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO STAY, STAY, IF YOU COULD PLEASE EXIT. 
          THE VOICES DO CARRY RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE DOOR, SO IF YOU COULD HEAD DOWN THE HALLWAY PAST THE KITCHEN AREA, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. 
          ALRIGHT, MOVING ON 
          [Case #23-107CP]
TO CASE 23 DASH SEVEN CP. 
          THIS IS PENZONE LIVE WORK. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PROPOSED LIVE WORK BUILDING ON THE EXISTING PENZONE CAMPUS. 
          THE 2.54 ACRE SITE IS ZONED B-S-D-S-C-N BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF VILLAGE PARKWAY AND COOPER STONE RIDE. 
          ALRIGHT, WE WILL START WITH OUR APPLICATION PRESENTATION, MR. MYERS. 
          WE WILL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU AFTER THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION. 
          WE 
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WILL HAVE THE STAFF PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY QUESTIONS, PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN DISCUSSION. 
          MR. MYERS, I LOST ALL MY FANS. 
          . 
          DOES ANYONE NEED A BREAK? DO YOU NEED A BREAK AT ALL? I THINK WE ARE, WE ARE FINE. 
          UM, WELL, GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M CHRIS MYERS WITH MYERS AND ASSOCIATES, UH, 2 32 NORTH THIRD STREET, COLUMBUS, 4 3 2 1 5. 
          UM, TONIGHT I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF OUR PROGRESS FOR, UH, THE PEN ZONE'S, LIVE, WORK, UH, PROJECT. 
          UH, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, UH, WE WERE BEFORE YOU WITH THIS SUBJECT, UM, BACK IN AUGUST, UH, TO DISCUSS EVEN IF IT'S AN OPTION. 
          UM, I RECOGNIZE THIS AS SORT OF THE, THE FIRST ONE OF A LIVE WORK, UH, SCENARIO. 
          AND, UH, MY GOOD FRIEND ZACH OVER THERE AND I HAVE, HAVE REALLY DUG THROUGH, UH, THE CODES AT GREAT LENGTH, INCLUDING BUILDING CODES TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE REALLY PROPOSING HERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CROSSED ALL OUR T'S AND I'S, UM, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE KIND OF HISTORY, UH, ON WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. 
          UM, THE PEN ZONES PURCHASED THIS, UH, PROPERTY ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO. 
          UH, WHEN THERE WASN'T MUCH GOING ON, UH, IN THE AREA, THERE WASN'T ALL THE GUIDELINES AND CODES, UH, THAT WE'RE, UH, PRIVILEGED TO WORK WITHIN TODAY. 
          SO, UH, WE, WE HAVE SOME HISTORY ON THIS PROPERTY, WHICH I, I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE. 
          UM, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT WAS THERE, WHICH WAS, UH, AT FIRST CALLED THE GRAND SALON. 
          NOW YOU'VE HEARD IT CALLED THE ONE, UH, BUT AS THE GRAND SALON, IT WAS ACTUALLY THE VERY FIRST, UH, SALON AND DAY SPA PROJECT OF ITS TYPE IN THE COUNTRY. 
          UH, AND IT RECEIVED NATIONAL RECOGNITION. 
          IT WAS ON, UH, GOOD MORNING AMERICA. 
          IT WAS, UH, A VERY POPULAR PLACE. 
          UH, THAT BUILDING LED TO THE SUCCESS OF THE PENZONE ORGANIZATION WITH MANY PROJECTS SIMILAR TO IT, UH, AROUND THE CITY OF COLUMBUS. 
          UM, UH, THEY'VE DEVELOPED THINGS IN COLUMBUS, ITALIAN VILLAGE, GERMAN VILLAGE, UH, JOHANNA, AND, AND A, A NUMBER OF OTHER LOCATIONS. 
          UM, I CAME TO THE MIX, UH, ABOUT FIVE OR SO YEARS AGO. 
          UM, UH, CHUCK PENZONE WAS TRANSITIONING, UH, LEADERSHIP OF THE COMPANY TO HIS WIFE, DEBBIE. 
          UH, DEBBIE WAS TAKING OVER AND WANTED TO ENACT A NEW, UH, BRAND, A, A REVIVAL OF THE PENZONE NAME AND BRAND. 
          AND, UH, RE-LOOKED AT ALL OF THE BRANDING COMPONENTS, BUT ALSO, UH, CONCEPTS FOR THE NEW SALONS AND NEW ARCHITECTURE. 
          THE GRAND SALON AT THAT POINT WAS THE ONE ON THE CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY, WHICH, UH, I DESIGNED. 
          UH, AND IT WAS THEIR FIRST NEW FACILITY IN A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT, UH, IN SIZE AND STYLE, THEN THE ORIGINAL BRAND. 
          UH, BUT THAT BECAME THE FIRST OF MANY, UH, COMPARABLE STYLES OF BUILDINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE ALSO COMPLETED THE ONE, UH, OUT AT WHAT'S CALLED HAMILTON QUARTER, WHICH IS ON THE WAY TO, UH, NEW ALBANY, DIFFERENT BUILDING, BUT STYLISTICALLY VERY SIMILAR. 
          UH, THAT BUILDING YOUR BUILDING IN DUBLIN ACTUALLY WON SALON OF THE YEAR FOR AN INTERNATIONAL, UH, RECOGNITION. 
          IT WENT UP AGAINST DIFFERENT SALONS AND SPAS, UH, FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. 
          SO IT'S RECEIVED GREAT, UH, RECOGNITION NOT ONLY FOR THEIR COMPANY, THE BUSINESS, THEIR BRAND, BUT ALSO, UH, THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          THAT PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH WAS WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH, UH, YOUR GROUP. 
          AND SO WE APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE, UH, THE EFFORT THAT WE WENT THROUGH EARLY ON, UH, WITH THE PEN ZONES ON THAT SITE. 
          FAST FORWARD A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL SALON LOOKED A LITTLE DATED AND THEY WANTED TO CONVERT IT NOW THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED IT AS A GRAND SALON INTO THEIR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS. 
          SO WE WERE BROUGHT IN, UH, TO DEVELOP A, A INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR RENOVATION, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE NOW CALL THE ONE. 
          UH, I WAS HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME EXTERIOR FINISHES. 
          UM, BUT THAT PROJECT IS NEARING COMPLETION. 
          IT'S, I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO OPEN IN A MATTER OF COUPLE WEEKS. 
          THAT IS THEIR NEW, UH, CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS. 
          IT'S ALSO AN ADVANCED TRAINING CENTER FOR ALL OF THEIR STAFF. 
          UH, THEY ALSO HAVE HOSTED EVENTS, UH, AND IT'S A REALLY, UH, WONDERFUL FACILITY AND, UH, BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          THE PEN ZONES, UH, HAD A A, A LARGE ESTATE HOME UP IN POWELL A WHILE AGO. 
          UH, THEY RECENTLY MOVED DOWN TO A, UH, A WONDERFUL, UH, RESIDENCE DOWN IN GERMAN VILLAGE, UH, WHICH NOW THEY HAVE, UH, THOUGHT LET'S, LET'S BE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, UH, TO WHERE THEIR BUSINESS OPERATIONS, UH, IS LOCATED. 
          UH, THE 
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COMMUTE BETWEEN GERMAN VILLAGE AND, UH, DUBLIN IS NOT SO GREAT. 
          UH, AND SO THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN COMING BACK, UH, TO SORT OF WHERE IT ALL STARTED, UH, HERE IN DUBLIN, OHIO. 
          SO THEY FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT, UH, THE BACK PORTIONS OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ITS CURRENT CONDITIONS, IT'S A BIG PARKING LOT. 
          UH, THE AREA THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS PRETTY MUCH ALL PAVED, UM, EDGE TO EDGE PARKING. 
          THAT PARKING LOT HAD BEEN UTILIZED OVER TIME, UH, FOR THE PEN ZONES AND THEIR STAFF AND, AND GUESTS COMING TO, UH, THE ORIGINAL GRAND SALON. 
          BUT OVER TIME, IT'S BEEN USED BY CAR DEALERSHIPS AS OVERFLOW WHEN THEY GET A SHIPMENT. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN SOME OVERFLOW WHEN THE A MC THEATER WAS MUCH MORE POPULAR AND HAD, UH, A LOT MORE ACTIVITY. 
          UH, BUT THAT PARKING LOT HAS SPORADICALLY BEEN ESSENTIALLY VACANT FOR A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME. 
          UH, IN WALKING THE PROPERTY WITH THE PEN ZONES, UH, IT CAME THIS IDEA OF HOW CAN WE REALLY CULTIVATE, UH, A COUPLE SERIES OF BUILDINGS IN THIS BACK AREA AND REALLY DEVELOP WHAT WE'VE BEEN CALLING A CAMPUS. 
          THE THOUGHT OF THIS OVERALL PROPERTY IS TO CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THE SUCCESS OF THE NEW DAY SPA, UH, THE SUCCESS OF THE NEW CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS AS THE ONE. 
          UH, BUT I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU A COUPLE CONCEPTS THAT WE'RE BEGINNING OF A, ANOTHER PHASE OF ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS ALONG VILLAGE PARKWAY, BUT OUR PRIORITY, UH, FOR TONIGHT IS REALLY THE LIVE WORK PROPERTY. 
          UH, PART OF IT IS THE PEN ZONES NEED A HOME. 
          UH, THEY'VE SOLD THEIR HOUSE IN GERMAN VILLAGE, UH, AND SO THEY'RE EAGER TO GET THIS PROJECT GOING. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT PROXIMITY TO THEIR OTHER, UH, FACILITIES AND THEIR ENJOYMENT OF BEING IN DUBLIN, UH, IS WHAT'S DRIVEN THEIR CHOICE TO COME, UH, BACK TO YOUR CITY. 
          WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE LIVE WORK, UH, CONCEPT, AT FIRST WE ALWAYS HAD THIS STRATEGY OF WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A PIECE OF A GREATER WHOLE. 
          UH, AND THERE'S SOME CONDITIONS THAT, UH, ARE DRIVING SOME OF THE DESIGN DIRECTION ON THIS SITE. 
          IF YOU WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHAT WE DID ON THE, THE NEW GRAND SALON ON THE CORNER, UH, I'LL REMIND YOU WHAT WE HAVE OVER. 
          THERE ARE SOME VERY LARGE OVERHEAD POWER LINES THAT GO RIGHT OVER THAT ROUNDABOUT. 
          THE POSITION OF THAT BUILDING IS PUT TO KIND OF AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN BE WITHOUT GETTING ELECTROCUTED BY THOSE POWER LINES. 
          BUT WHAT WE DID WAS WE REALLY HAD TO SHAPE SOME OF THE SITE PLANNING AND THE CONDITIONS BASED ON MASSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND IN THAT CASE, AN ELECTRICAL CONDITION. 
          AS WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THIS PORTION OF THE SITE, ONE OF THE BIG FACTORS THAT'S DRIVING THE OVERALL PLANNING OF ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS IS ACTUALLY ALL THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON UNDERGROUND. 
          SO THERE'S A DRAWING THAT WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT IN A SECOND, BUT THE STORMWATER PIPING IS THIS SORT OF SPIDER WEB ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          SO, AS I WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE BUILDINGS AND THE REASONS BEHIND THAT ALL, I'M STILL GONNA TOUCH ON ACTUALLY WHAT'S GOING ON BELOW GROUND, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S, UH, DRIVING SOME OF THOSE, UH, PIECES, THE PARKING LOT, UH, THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND I THINK ZACH'S, WHEN HE DOES HIS REVIEW, THERE'S AN AERIAL THAT YOU'LL SEE, UM, THAT ALSO COMES UP WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, NOT ONLY THE AESTHETIC, UH, THERE YOU GO. 
          UH, NOT ONLY THE AESTHETIC OF A A, A VACANT PARKING LOT, AND IN ADDITION TO THE PARKING BEHIND, UH, THE ONE BUILDING, BUT WHAT IT ALSO DOES IS IT PLAYS INTO THIS IDEA OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, AN IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL OF THAT ASPHALT THAT'S BEEN, UH, RECOVERED MANY, MANY TIMES, UH, COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH IS A MUCH GREATER COMPOSITION, UH, OF PERVIOUS, UH, MATERIALS, MEANING LANDSCAPE, UM, PAVERS THAT ARE ALLOW WATER FLOW. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA TOUCH ON TOWARDS THE END IS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, STRATEGIES. 
          AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          WE'RE GOING FROM A HARD IMPERVIOUS SERVICE SURFACE, UH, TO A, A, A MATERIAL THAT IS A LOT MORE VEGETATION IMPERVIOUS COMPONENTS. 
          THE SITE PLAN, YOU SAID THIS'LL WORK. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS OVERALL PROPERTY, WE HAVE A COUPLE CONDITIONS ALONG VILLAGE PARKWAY, UH, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE GUIDELINES, UH, FOR THIS DISTRICT. 
          UH, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE FRONTAGE AND THE PROXIMITY OF BUILDING FACADES, UH, TO THE PRESENCE OF VILLAGE PARKWAY TO FILL IN THE PIECES ALONG THIS AREA. 
          AND AS YOUR DEVELOPMENTS CONTINUE TO EMERGE AND COME THROUGH YOUR REVIEWS, EACH ONE OF THESE ARE TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION OF LET'S GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, UH, TO THE STANDARDS AND EXPECTATIONS BASED ON YOUR CODE. 
          THE ONE BUILDING CLEARLY DOESN'T MEET THAT, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS DONE BEFORE THE CODE, IT'S SET BACK, UH, AND WHERE WE HAD CONDITIONS ON THE, UH, THE GRAND SALON ON THE CORNER WITH YOUR PARTICIPATION, WE PUSH 
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IT UP AS CLOSE AS WE COULD, UH, BUT HAD TO DEAL WITH THOSE EASEMENTS. 
          AS WE START TO LOOK FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DEVELOP A STRATEGY OF GETTING BACK RIGHT UP TO THAT, UH, SETBACK CONDITION ALONG VILLAGE PARKWAY, BUT ALSO START TO GIVE THE SENSE OF TRANSITIONING A LOT OF THE POSITION OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE EXISTING IN THE ATTEMPT OF CREATING A CAMPUS. 
          SO ONE OF THE, THE STRATEGIES THAT YOU SEE IS THE BUILDING JUST TO THE NORTH OR TO THE RIGHT OF THE ONE BUILDING THAT CANTED FRONT FACADE. 
          WHAT THAT'S INTENDED TO DO IN THAT FOOTPRINT IS REALLY CREATE A TRANSITION, UH, FROM THE EXISTING FACADE OF THE, UM, PROJECT ONE AND TRANSITION THE NEW ARCHITECTURE FROM THE OLD FORM TO THE NEW FORMS. AND SO AS WE START TO SHAPE THE NEW BUILDINGS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVE, THAT'S DRIVING THE MASSING AND THE PLANNING OF THOSE FRONT BUILDINGS. 
          NOW, AGAIN, THOSE ARE FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION. 
          WE WANNA SHARE THAT WITH YOU AS PART OF A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE OVERALL DESIGN STRATEGY. 
          BUT AGAIN, OUR, OUR CONCEPT REVIEW AND HOPEFULLY UPCOMING REVIEWS ARE, ARE MORE FOCUSED ON THE LIVE WORK PROPERTY. 
          RIGHT NOW, THE LOCATION THAT WAS SELECTED FOR THE LIVE WORK, YOU CAN SEE TOWARDS THE, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE WEST OF THE SITE, UH, FOR A COUPLE BENEFICIAL REASONS. 
          UH, WE'RE GUIDED BY SOME OF THOSE STORM WATER, UH, PIPING, UH, SYSTEMS THAT ARE IN PLACE. 
          THERE'S ONE THAT GOES RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST AROUND, IT'S AT A 54 INCH, UH, LINE. 
          AND SO, UH, VERY DIFFICULT TO BUILD OVER, BUT YOU COULD SEE IT BISECTS, UH, THE SITE TAKING THE RESIDENCE. 
          AND THE, UM, THE WORK COMPONENT OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, IS ALSO PART OF THE CONSIDERATION. 
          UH, MR. PENZONE HAS BECOME, UH, QUITE A, A RECOGNIZED ARTIST. 
          HE'S A PAINTER. 
          HE DOES THESE BEAUTIFUL LARGE, UH, FORMAT, MODERN, CONTEMPORARY, VERY COLORFUL, UH, BEAUTIFUL PAINTINGS. 
          AND HAVING THAT, UM, WORK STUDIO, THAT ARTIST SPACE, UH, IS REALLY WHAT'S DRIVING THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR A LIVE, WORK APPROVED BUILDING. 
          SO IT IS A WORKSPACE, BUT IT IS ALSO THEIR RESIDENCE, AND SO THEIR RESIDENTS. 
          AND SO WE LOOKED AT HOW COULD WE MAYBE PUSH THE, THE BUILDING INTO A POSITION WHERE IT FREES UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL FUNCTION SPACES IN THE NEW BUILDINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED ALONG VILLAGE PARKWAY. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT PUSHED US TO THE POSITION WHERE IT'S SHOWN, WE END UP WITH A LITTLE ODDITY ON THIS SITE BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF A PIE SHAPE, AND WE HAVE ALL THESE PIPES UNDERNEATH THAT. 
          THE NORTHERN MOST PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, RIGHT UP AT THE CORNER IS QUITE HONESTLY, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY UNBUILDABLE FOR A BUILDING. 
          AND WHAT WE THOUGHT IS LET'S CREATE A BIT OF A TRANSITION OF ALL OF THE EFFORTS OF THE LANDSCAPE AND TERRACE AND OPEN SPACES AND PUBLIC WALK AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED ALL ALONG VI VILLAGE PARKWAY, STARTING FROM THE ROUNDABOUT AT THE NEW SALON NOW ABOUT TO OPEN AT, UH, PENZONE, UH, UH, BASE ONE, UH, WITH THAT LANDSCAPE, WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IN THE NEXT PHASES, AND HOW DOES THAT CULMINATE. 
          MAYBE WE CREATE SOME SORT OF A, A POCKETED PARK OR A SMALL LANDSCAPE STROLL GARDEN. 
          UH, AND, AND THINK OF HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE APPROACH THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO SORT OF GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY A GREAT LANDSCAPE FEATURE. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, WITH THE, THE THEME OF THE PEN ZONE'S INTERESTS, UH, IN THE LIVE WORK SPACE, AS WELL AS, UH, ALL OF THE, UH, ARTWORK THAT'S ON DISPLAY IN, UH, IN THE ONE BUILDING AND THE OTHER SALON, AN IDEA EMERGED OF HOW DO WE MAYBE INCORPORATE ART INTO THE ASPECT OF THESE PEDESTRIAN, UH, COMPONENTS. 
          SO YOU SEE IN YOUR DRAWING OF A CONCEPT IDEA OF ALL OF THESE SORT OF RED BOXES, WHICH INDICATE, UH, EITHER, UH, SCULPTURE PIECES OR SOME FORM OF ART. 
          UH, BUT NOTHING HAS REALLY BEEN DECIDED OR PLANNED OR COMMISSIONED. 
          UH, BUT WHAT WE WANNA SHARE WITH YOU IS THERE'S A, THERE'S A BIGGER STRATEGY ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, AND TO THINK OF WHAT HAPPENS, UH, BEYOND JUST THE LIVE WORK PORTION OF THE PROJECT AND HOW IT'S REALLY DEFINED BASED ON THOSE CONDITIONS. 
          ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT COMES OF, UH, THE LOCATION THAT WE HAVE IS THAT DISTANCE OFF OF VILLAGE PARKWAY. 
          SO YOU SEE IN THIS DRAWING, WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING A 70 FOOT DIMENSION FROM THE DEFINABLE AREA OF VILLAGE PARKWAY, UH, TO THE CLOSEST CORNER. 
          UM, THERE'S SOME CONCERN THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS, IS IT BETTER TO SHORTEN THAT DIMENSION AND CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS TECHNICALLY CLOSER TO THAT SETBACK LINE? BUT AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE EXISTING STORM LINES, WE CAN NEVER REALLY MEET THE REQUIREMENT. 
          AND SO IF WE CAN GET AS CLOSE AS WE CAN, THAT MIGHT BE GOOD ENOUGH. 
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BUT SOME OF THE THOUGHTS THAT WE HAD IS THE, THE SORT OF CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE LIVE WORKSPACE AND ACTUALLY THE WALK ROUTES OVER TO THE ONE BUILDING. 
          AND DID WE FIND THAT MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN BEING TOO FAR RIGHT OR TOO FAR LEFT? SO WE SORT OF PICKED A SPOT RIGHT IN BETWEEN. 
          THE OTHER IS WITH A 54 INCH STORM LINE, YOU HAVE A 15 FOOT EASEMENT ON EITHER SIDE. 
          THERE'S CONCERN FROM CITY ENGINEERING AND OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS THAT, THAT SIZE OF A LINE IN THAT DIMENSION OF AN EASEMENT. 
          IF WE GET TOO CLOSE TO THAT WITH, UH, FOUNDATIONS AND EXCAVATION, UH, FOR THE NEW BUILDING, THERE COULD BE A COMPROMISE WITHIN SOME OF THE SUBSTRUCTURES AROUND THAT PIPE. 
          I THINK THERE'S ENGINEERING WAYS WE CAN WORK AROUND THAT. 
          SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT'S OUR REASON. 
          UM, THE OTHER IS WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT IS WE HAVE A, A PRETTY SMALL AMOUNT OF AREA TO WORK ON THIS CORNER PARK, AND THE THOUGHT WAS IF WE SHIFT THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT, WHAT WOULD BE SOUTH OR LEFT? UH, WE FREE UP SOME AREA ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ANOTHER EASEMENT THAT YOU SEE GOING, UH, TO THE WEST, FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST. 
          UM, IF I COULD POINT, OR IF S CAN YOU HELP ME? YEAH, RIGHT THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THE THOUGHT WAS CAN WE ACCENTUATE SOME OF THE DIMENSION OR THE LANDSCAPE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT PARK BY NOT HAVING, UH, THE LIVE WORKSPACE, UH, UP TOO CLOSE, UH, TO WHAT THAT PARK WOULD BE. 
          ONE OF THE RECENT THINGS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS, AND I'M HAPPY TO PASS THIS OUT, THIS IS A, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I PASS THIS OUT? SO AS ZACH AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS, SO I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THE, THE ANOTHER VERSION. 
          AND IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE BUILDING AND PUSH IT TO ITS EXTREME, UM, LIMIT ON THIS SITE, GIVEN THE EASEMENTS OF THAT STORM UTILITY PIPE, WE END UP 24 FEET, THREE INCHES OFF OF THE, UM, THAT SETBACK REQUIREMENT. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S STILL BEYOND THE REQUIREMENT. 
          WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA NEED A WAIVER, UH, FOR THAT. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS AT THIS CONCEPTUAL LEVEL AS WE'RE HOPING TO GET INTO THE NEXT, UH, APPROVAL STAGES IS, IS WORKING WITH YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THAT RIGHT TO MENTION, YOU KNOW, COULD BE 70. 
          I THINK THAT WORKS GREAT AND I'VE GIVEN YOU THOSE REASONS. 
          IF, IF WE NEED TO MAKE IT WORK AT A, AT THIS EXTREME FRONT LOCATION AT 23 4, WE CAN WORK WITH THAT. 
          I JUST THINK THAT IT'S GONNA CREATE A COUPLE, UH, DIFFERENCES IN THE APPROACH OF HOW THE PARK MIGHT BE DESIGNED OR THE WALK ROUTE FROM THIS BUILDING BACK TO THEIR, UM, UM, HEADQUARTERS FACILITY. 
          SO THIS, THIS DIAGRAM IS ALSO, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF A COUPLE THINGS, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT IT DEMONSTRATES IS, IS REALLY WE ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BENEFIT IF WE MOVE IT. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK UP IN THE UPPER LEFT OF THE DRAWING I JUST HANDED OUT, THERE'S A DOTTED LINE THAT IS THE FOOTPRINT OF WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING IT AT THE 70 FEET OFF THIS CORNER, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE TWO 12 INCH PIPES THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE. 
          IF WE FIND THAT SORT OF MIDDLE GROUND IN BETWEEN, UH, THERE'S LESS SORT OF STORM WATER, STORM WATER PIPING DISRUPTION. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE IN KIND OF SHIFTING THIS AROUND, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THROUGH OUR COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH YOU GUYS, UM, WE'RE INTERESTED IN YOUR THOUGHTS FOR THAT. 
          SO THAT'S THE SITE. 
          OOPS, SORRY. 
          SO WE HAVE A COUPLE, UM, THINGS THAT WE, UH, WENT THROUGH FROM OUR INITIAL, UH, WHAT DID WE CALL IT? INFORMAL, UH, REVIEW TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          WE DISCOVERED A COUPLE THINGS IN THE, UM, ACTUALLY NOT IN YOUR CODE, BUT IN THE, IN THE BUILDING CODE, UM, THAT WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS. 
          UM, ZACH POINTED OUT WE WERE A LITTLE OVER IN SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          NOW THERE'S A LITTLE DISCREPANCY, UH, BETWEEN A COUPLE THINGS. 
          SO, UM, THE DUBLIN REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, UH, LIVE WORK CALLS FOR, UH, TWO NON-RESIDENT, UH, OCCUPANTS. 
          UH, THE OHIO BUILDING CODE CALLS FOR FIVE. 
          AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE LITTLE NUMBER THINGS, UH, WE'RE AT THE DUBLIN, UH, REQUIREMENT OF, THEY, THEY DON'T ANTICIPATE ANYMORE THAN, UH, TWO AND THEMSELVES. 
          UH, BUT THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS THAT FELL OUT OF THE, THAT CODE REVIEW FOR THE BUILDING CODE. 
          UM, UH, THOSE INCLUDED, UM, A MAXIMUM, UH, ALLOWABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, FOR THIS FUNCTION AT 3000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UH, WE WERE OVER THAT BEFORE. 
          AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE PINCHED DOWN THE PLAN A LITTLE BIT. 
          WE'VE CREATED MORE, UH, INTERIOR DOUBLE HEIGHT SPACES SO THEY DON'T 
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CALCULATE OUT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE AT ABOUT 29 68 SQUARE FEET, SO WE'RE CLOSE. 
          THE OTHER IS, THERE'S SOME CONDITIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORK PERCENTAGE VERSUS THE LIVE PERCENTAGE. 
          IT CAN'T BE GREATER THAN 50%. 
          SO WE ALIGN WITH THAT. 
          UM, THE, THE REVIEW OF THAT CODE IS, IT'S PRETTY CLEARLY WRITTEN AS THE INTENT OF IT BEING PART OF A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE, UH, CONDITION. 
          BUT I, I DO WANNA REASSURE YOU THAT WE MEET ALL OF THE COMPONENTS OUTLINED IN THE BUILDING CODE. 
          UH, THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS IN TERMS OF HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY, WHICH WE HAVE. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO, UM, FIRE ALARM, UH, SYSTEMS AS A COMMERCIAL, UH, REQUIREMENT. 
          SO WE ALSO, UH, PLAN ON THOSE PIECES, UH, AS WELL AS WE, UM, AS WE LOOK FURTHER AT THE, THE BUILDING DESIGN, UH, WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE GROUND LEVEL, UM, WORKSPACE AND UPPER LEVEL, UH, RESIDENTIAL SPACE. 
          UM, I BROUGHT WITH ME, UH, A MATERIAL SAMPLE BOARD, WHICH, SO WE START TO LOOK AT THE EXTERIOR CLEAR. 
          IT'S A, A CONTEMPORARY STYLE BUILDING. 
          IT'S, IT'S VERY MUCH BUILT OFF OF THE, UH, DESIGN DIRECTION OF THE NEWER SALON BUILDING. 
          UM, THE IMAGE THAT YOU SEE ON THAT BOARD IS OF THAT BUILDING. 
          AND THE REASON IS THERE'S A COUPLE, UH, MATERIAL SAMPLES THAT ARE ON THE, THAT NEW SALON THAT WE'RE ALSO, UH, UTILIZING ON THIS BUILDING. 
          AND I THINK SOME OF THE, UH, FUTURE BUILDINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, UH, WE, WE WORKED THROUGH IN OUR LAST MEETING WAS THE, THE STAIN APPLICATION ON, UH, THE BRICK OF THE ONE BUILDING. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN IT. 
          IT'S BEEN PUT UP. 
          I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. 
          THE PEN ZONES LOVE IT. 
          UM, AND THE THOUGHT IS WE MIGHT IMPLEMENT THAT INTO THOSE NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS TO, SO WE'RE STARTING TO THINK OF HOW WE CAN KNIT TOGETHER ALL OF, UH, THOSE EXTERIOR FINISHES. 
          UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT UTILIZATION OF THIS BUILDING AS A WORK SPACE, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL, UM, ON THE SAME PAGE WITH, UH, A WORKSPACE FOR AN ARTIST, UH, STUDIO, UH, ACCORDING TO THIS CODE, AND THE REQUIREMENTS ISN'T NECESSARILY LIKE A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT WITH NINE TO FIVE HOURS IN A STOREFRONT. 
          UH, THIS IS A GALLERY THAT IS OPEN, BUT IT'S TYPICALLY BY, UH, APPOINTMENTS IS HOW THESE ARE, UH, NORMALLY, UH, FUNCTION. 
          AND SO WE HAVE A COUPLE SPACES, UH, THAT ARE VERSATILE. 
          THE, YOU KNOW, THE MEETING SPACES IN THE LOUNGE SPACE, THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE DINNER AT. 
          AND SO THERE'S SOME, UH, MULTIFUNCTIONAL COMPONENTS WITHIN THIS PLAN. 
          BUT WHAT IT ALSO LEADS US TO IS ACCESS POINTS. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE'RE GONNA, UH, GO THROUGH IN TERMS OF THE, THE STAFF REVIEW IS SORT OF WHERE'S THE FRONT DOOR? AND WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IF WE WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO THAT SITE PLAN, IS WE HAVE THIS CONNECTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE TO ACTUALLY THE ONE BUILDING, BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR HEADQUARTERS, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THEIR VISITORS WOULD COME. 
          UH, THOSE COMING TO THE GALLERY WOULD PROBABLY GO THERE FIRST. 
          AND SO THAT CONNECTIVITY, UH, FROM THE ONE TO THIS BUILDING IS AN IMPORTANT ROUTE. 
          THE OTHER IS, WE DO HAVE A MAIN ENTRY POINT ON WHAT IS OUR EAST ELEVATION, WHICH IS FACING, UM, VILLAGE PARKWAY. 
          IF ZACH, CAN YOU HELP ME POINT TO IT? SO IN THE, IN THE TOP RIGHT THERE? YEAH. 
          SO WE HAVE A ENTRY POINT THERE AS WELL. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN SOME OF THE RENDERINGS. 
          SO THERE REALLY ARE TWO KIND OF ENTRY POINTS. 
          UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, COULD WE POSITION THAT ENTRY OFF OF, UH, THE MAIN, UH, OFF OF THE, UH, FUTURE PARK? SO THE CONCERN WITH THAT IS THIS IS, THIS ISN'T A RETAIL GALLERY. 
          THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, OPEN NINE TO FIVE, UH, EVERY DAY. 
          IT'S A, AND, YOU KNOW, SO THE PROXIMITY OF, UH, WALK-INS OFF OF THAT PUBLIC SPACE ISN'T REALLY THE INTENT OF THE WORK COMPONENT OF THE LIVE WORK. 
          IT'S TIE IN MORE SO AS AN ELEMENT ON THE CAMPUS OR BY APPOINTMENT, UH, FOR THOSE TO COME AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, MEET WITH THE PENZONE. 
          SEE THE ART, BUY THE ART, UH, IS CERTAINLY THE, THE DRIVING COMPONENT OF HOW IT WOULD BE, UH, UTILIZED. 
          MATERIALITY ON THIS BUILDING IS VERY SIMPLE. 
          YOU SEE, IT'S A SMALL FINISH BOARD. 
          UH, THERE'S A COMBINATION OF TWO, UH, COMPONENTS OF STONE. 
          THE WHERE IT SAYS STONE VENEER, UH, THAT IS THAT TEXTURE, THAT IMAGE THAT'S ON THAT BOARD. 
          UH, THAT'S ALSO THE SAME MATERIAL THAT'S ON THE SALON BUILDING. 
          THE OTHER ONE, UH, WHICH IS NOTED AS AN ENGINEERED STONE PANEL. 
          THAT'S THE MORE SMOOTH FACE MATERIAL THERE, YOU CAN SEE ON THE ELEVATIONS. 
          THAT'S FOR MORE OF OUR, OUR VERTICAL OR FEATURED CORNERS, UH, OF THE BUILDING. 
          THEN WE'RE ALSO INDICATING, UH, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS A WOOD SIDING. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT'S CALLED A 
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THERMALLY MODIFIED WOOD VENEER. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE SALON BUILDING AS WELL. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT IMAGE GIVES YOU A REFERENCE OF SOME OF THOSE MATERIALS IN APPLICATION INSTALLED, ALMOST ADJACENT, UH, TO THIS BUILDING. 
          ALL OF OUR OTHER COMPONENTS ON THIS BUILDING, MEANING, UH, HVAC SYSTEMS, UH, THERE'S A SOLAR PANELING SYSTEM, ARE ALL UP ON, UH, ROOF AREAS AND IN, YOU KNOW, CONCEALED, UH, SPACES. 
          SO THEY DON'T REALLY COME INTO, UH, EFFECT OF ANY OF THE SITE PLANNING OR THE DESIGN, UH, ELEVATIONS. 
          AS WE LOOK AT, UM, OTHER AREAS, UH, WE BELIEVE WE'RE MEETING, UH, IF NOT EXCEEDING, UH, TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, IN OUR NEXT SUBMITTALS, WE'LL HAVE DETAILED CALCULATIONS OF ALL OF THE, UH, TRANSPARENT VERSUS OPAQUE, UH, MATERIALS JUST TO, UH, DEMONSTRATE, UH, THAT COMPLIANCE. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE IMAGES, UH, IN YOUR PACKET AND TO SHARE, THIS IS AN AERIAL LOOKING OVER, UH, THAT COMPONENT OF THE PARK IS, IS CLOSEST IN FRONT. 
          YOU SEE THE TWO, UH, PROPOSED NEW BUILDINGS TOWARDS THE LEFT, THE ONE BUILDING IN THAT BACKGROUND. 
          UH, AND THIS IDEA OF HOW DO WE BUFFER OR CREATE A, A LANDSCAPE BACKDROP, UH, TO THE FACADE OF THE, UH, THE LIVE WORK. 
          THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AT NIGHT,  IN THE SNOW. 
          THAT'S MY BEST VIEW. 
          ZACH, YOU GOT RID OF IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT SHOWING ON MY SCREEN YET. 
          JUST GIMME ONE MOMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          IT'S THE, IT'S THE SAME PACKET. 
          UM, UH, NEXT VIEW IS OFF OF THAT WALK ROUTE BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS PROPOSED, KINDA SHOWING YOU, UH, WHAT WE WOULD SAY IS THE FRONT FACADE, UH, TO VILLAGE PARKWAY. 
          UM, NEXT IMAGE ON PAGE, PROBABLY 12 IN YOUR PACKET, IF THEY'RE NUMBERED, UM, IS, UH, STANDING AT THE EDGE OF THE ENTRY DRIVE. 
          UH, AS YOU KNOW, BEHIND YOU IS THE, THE ONE PARKING LOT. 
          UH, BUT LOOKING AT THE, THE, UH, SCALE CHANGE, THE GALLERY STORAGE GARAGE AREA, UH, AND THAT ACCESS POINT, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE ENTRY DOOR AND, AND, UH, FRONT DOOR FACING VILLAGE PARKWAY OVER ON THAT RIGHT SIDE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE LAST COUPLE PAGES, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR FIRST THOUGHTS. 
          AND SO, UH, AGAIN, WHEN, WHEN WE HAD OUR INFORMAL, UM, THERE WAS A GREAT DIALOGUE OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT, THAT THEY'RE REALLY NOT REQUIRED, UH, AS PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT I THINK THEY'RE SO IMPORTANT, UH, TO KIND OF COMMUNICATE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF DIRECTION OF, UH, HOW WE CAN CREATE, IN THIS CASE, IT'S A TWO STORY AND A THREE STORY LOFT STYLE BUILDING, UH, MATERIALITY. 
          AGAIN, VERY CONSISTENT WITH THIS, UH, THIS PROPERTY IN THIS CAMPUS. 
          THE INTENT ON THESE SPACES IS THAT IT WOULD BE GROUND LEVEL, UM, PUBLIC ACCESS, COFFEE SHOPS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND UP ABOVE, THEY HAVE A, UH, A, A VERY INTERESTED, UH, GROUP OF VENDORS AND SUPPLIERS AND BUSINESS PARTNERS THAT THEY WORK WITH THROUGH THE SALONS WHO ARE VERY INTERESTED IN BEING ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, BEING IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO, UH, HAVING SOME, UH, WORKSPACE AND, UH, AREAS THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR, UH, RELATIONSHIP AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE PEN ZONES. 
          SO THESE ARE, UH, A LOT OF SUPPLY COMPANIES FOR THEIR, UM, SALON PRODUCTS, BUT ALSO, UH, SERVICES THAT, UH, THEY PRO PROVIDE THROUGH THE PENZONE ORGANIZATION. 
          UM, THE, THESE BUILDINGS, AGAIN, ARE VERY CONCEPTUAL. 
          THEY'RE VERY MUCH TO JUST GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHERE OUR HEADS ARE. 
          UH, THESE WOULD COME BACK AS, UM, YOU KNOW, A NEXT PHASE, UH, PROBABLY IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, WE WANTED TO, AS A COURTESY, WANTED TO, UH, SHARE WITH YOU, UH, WHAT WE HAD. 
          THE LAST THING I WANTED TO GO THROUGH WAS, UM, IN THE PACKET, UH, THAT WE HAD RECEIVED, UH, I'M SORRY, THE COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, ZACH MADE ME SAD. 
          IT SAYS DISAPPROVAL AND, UM, WHAT , WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON WAS, UH, REITERATE A COUPLE OF THE THINGS IN RESPONSE TO THE, UH, TO THE COMMENTS. 
          UM, IN THE FIRST ONE, IT WAS A, A CONCERN ABOUT THAT. 
          I THINK THAT 70 FOOT DIMENSION AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE POSITIONING OF THE BUILDING AGAIN, UH, FOR SOME OF THE STORMWATER UTILITY PROXIMITY, BECAUSE IT'S A BIGGER CAMPUS DESIGN RATHER THAN JUST, UH, AN INDEPENDENT BUILDING AND TRYING TO FREE UP A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR THAT FUTURE PARK, UH, IS WHAT DROVE THAT. 
          WE'RE VERY RECEPTIVE. 
          IF SOMEONE SAYS, WE REALLY WANT IT PUSHED UP, WE'LL, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO MOVE IT. 
          BUT THAT SORT OF CONSIDERATION, I THINK IS PART OF THIS GREAT, UH, DIALOGUE AND, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO KINDA 
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WORK WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT MAKE IT REALLY THE BEST FOR, UH, THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THE SECOND IS, UH, HOW CAN WE MAYBE, UH, DEMONSTRATE THE TWO ENTRANCES OR BETTER ENTRANCE FACING THE ROAD? UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE ONE ON THAT SIDE. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE, THE SORT OF PLAN AND LAYOUT OF THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING LENDS ITSELF TO BE MORE ON THAT SIDE OF THE, UH, THE BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE ONE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESS TO THIS FACILITY IS NOT A HUNDRED PEOPLE A DAY, UH, AS IF IT'S A RETAIL, UH, ESTABLISHMENT. 
          UM, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARK, UH, I, I THINK IS A, UH, A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY, UH, THAT CAN REALLY INTEGRATE, UH, PUBLIC ART, UH, AND A LOT MORE, UM, COHESIVE COMMO COMPONENTS EVEN BEYOND THIS PROPERTY AND WHAT IT LEADS TO. 
          UH, IN TERMS OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT I KNOW ARE COMING, UH, IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, UH, WE HAD ACTUALLY NOT INTENDED FOR THE PARK TO BE THE FINAL PARK AS PART OF THE LIVE WORK SUBMITTAL. 
          WHAT WE PLANNED WAS THAT WAS COMING QUICKLY AFTER, BUT THERE'S AN URGENCY ON, UH, THE LIVE WORK PROPERTY TO GO IN. 
          UM, AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE DUE ATTENTION, WHETHER IT'S WITH, UM, DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL, UH, PARTICULAR ARTISTS, UH, REALLY ENGAGING TO MAKE SURE THIS THING IS DONE, UH, REALLY WELL. 
          UH, THE PEN ZONES HAVE A NUMBER OF ARTISTS THAT, UH, I KNOW ARE, ARE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING. 
          AND SO WHAT I'M HOPEFUL OF IS WE CAN SAY, HERE'S A CONCEPTUAL IDEA. 
          I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK OUR PARK PLAN IS THE FINAL, UM, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY CULTIVATE, UH, THAT PORTION OF THE, THE PROJECT. 
          ONE OF THE, UH, STAFF COMMENTS WAS, UM, UH, FURTHER DEVELOP, UH, THE DESIGN OF THAT, UH, PROPOSED PUBLIC PARK WITH INTEGRATION. 
          WE TOTALLY AGREE. 
          WE JUST THINK THAT'S, THAT DESERVES A LITTLE MORE TIME. 
          UH, AND IF THAT BECOMES A SHORTLY AFTER NEXT PHASE, UH, THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER. 
          UH, AND THE LAST ITEM HAD TO DO WITH, UH, WORKING WITH ENGINEERING, UH, ON SOME OF THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, THE PIPES THAT ARE ALL UNDERNEATH US AREN'T ACTUALLY REALLY EVEN SERVING US TOO MUCH. 
          THEY'RE COMING FROM VERY DISTANT LOCATIONS. 
          WE HAVE NO INTENT, UH, OF REDUCING THEM, DAMAGING THEM, IMPACTING THEM. 
          UH, BUT THEY DO PLAY INTO HOW WE HAVE TO PLAN, UH, LOCATIONS, BECAUSE JUST REQUIREMENTS, YOU CAN'T BE ON TOP OF THEM. 
          UM, WE CERTAINLY WANNA WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH ENGINEERING, UM, AND OUR CIVIL, UH, WHAT WE TEND TO DO IS, AS WE SAY, LET'S GET TO EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THE CONCEPT, THEN LET'S RELEASE ALL THE ENGINEERING AND THEIR FEES AND THEIR TIME AND EVERYTHING. 
          AND SO, UH, IF WE HAVE A GREAT MEETING TONIGHT, TOMORROW MORNING, THE, OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS ARE TOLD TO KIND OF CALL THE CITY AND SET UP NEXT STEPS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING ANY CONCERNS THEY HAVE. 
          SO I WANNA REASSURE YOU THAT WE, WE TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT COMMENT, UH, AND PLAN TO TAKE THAT STEP. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, TONIGHT IS, UM, UM, AS, UH, COMMISSIONER CALL SAYS CRAYONS ONLY. 
          SO, UH, OUR CRAN DRAWINGS HOPEFULLY GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, WE, WE KNOW WE STILL HAVE A LOT, AND WE KNOW OUR, OUR, UH, NEXT TWO STAGES OF DEVELOPMENTS. 
          YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE THAT REFINEMENT AND THE DETAIL, UH, AND MEETING THOSE EXPECTATIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          SO TONIGHT, AGAIN, AS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, WE'RE SEEKING YOUR, UH, APPROVAL TO CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD. 
          UH, HOPEFULLY WE'VE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS THAT, UH, STAFF HAS OUTLINED. 
          UH, BUT I'M EAGER TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS AND SEE HOW WE COULD, UH, MAKE THIS THING, UH, CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD, UH, AS WELL AS IT HAS. 
          SO, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MEYER. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON, ZACH, TO YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, I'LL KEEP THIS RELATIVELY BRIEF, AND, AND CHRIS DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THE PROJECT AND, UH, OUTLINING SOME OF THE CONCERNS THE STAFF PROVIDED IN OUR, OUR PLANNING REPORT. 
          AND I'LL EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE A LITTLE BIT HERE. 
          BUT, UH, THIS IS CONCEPT PLAN. 
          SO A DETERMINATION IS REQUIRED BY THE COMMISSION TONIGHT. 
          UH, LOOKING AT THAT FIRST STEP OF REVIEW, DOES THIS MEET THE INTENT OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT? UH, GENERALLY, DOES THE LAYOUT MAKE SENSE? DO THE USES, ARE THEY APPROPRIATE? AND IS THE DESIGN OF, OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED WITH THE BUILDING IS A COMPLIMENTARY OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE, BUT IN THE VICINITY? UM, SO YOU CAN SEE, AS CHRIS HAD STATED, THAT THIS IS CURRENTLY, UH, EXISTING AS A, UH, PARKING LOT WITH SOME, UH, VEGETATION ALONG THE PERIMETER, AND THEN MORE NATURAL, UH, MATURE VEGETATION SEPARATING THIS FROM GRAYSTONE MUSE. 
          UH, THIS SITE ONLY HAS FRONTAGE ON VILLAGE PARKWAY, WHICH WOULD BE THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, UH, WHICH IS ALSO A PRINCIPAL FRONTAGE STREET. 
          UH, SO PRINCIPAL FRONTAGE STREETS ARE DESIGNATED TO ENSURE CERTAIN STREET TYPES ARE LINED WITH CONTINUOUS PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED BLOCK FACES, UH, FRONT, 
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UH, BUILDING FACADES INTO LIMIT CONFLICTS BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES. 
          UH, ADDITIONALLY, THIS IS LOCATED IN THE SALT MILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THERE ARE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS FOR THIS, WHICH SPEAK TOWARDS THE DISTRICT BEING ACTIVE, MIXED USE, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED THAT ENCOURAGES INTERCONNECTED SITE LAYOUTS AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. 
          SO, AS CHRIS SADDEN, I'LL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THIS, THIS WAS WHAT WAS PROVIDED BACK IN AUGUST WITH THE INFORMAL REVIEW. 
          GENERALLY, THE COMMISSION WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE LIVEWORK DWELLING IN THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE. 
          UH, VERY CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN WITH PHASE TWO AND HOW THIS PLAYS OFF OF, UH, PHASE ONE RECOMMENDED INCORPORATING THE OPEN SPACE, THE PUBLIC ART PARK INTO PHASE ONE. 
          UH, AND THEN GENERALLY, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF WAIVERS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED WITH PHASE ONE. 
          SO SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. 
          I WON'T DIG INTO THIS TOO MUCH, BUT I'LL SPEAK TOWARDS, UH, THE CONCERNS THE STAFF HAD OUTLINED IN OUR PLANNING REPORT. 
          UH, SO THE CONCERNS WERE BASED MAJORITY AROUND THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING FACING IN THE REAR, UH, WITH THE, THE PRINCIPAL ENTRANCE. 
          AS THAT'S NOT QUITE CONNECTED WITH VILLAGE PARKWAY. 
          UM, THERE'S NO WAY TO ACCESS IT DIRECTLY, UH, WHICH IS REALLY THE INTENT OF THIS DISTRICT IS TO CREATE SOME ENGAGEMENT, AND, WHICH IS CERTAINLY DOING THAT WITH, WITH THE PARK. 
          AND THEN PHASE TWO, UH, BUT FINDING A WAY TO ENGAGE THIS WITH THE, UM, THE LOFT BUILDING. 
          SECOND IS, UH, AND I'LL GET BACK TO SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS HERE, BUT THE REQUIRED BUILD ZONE, UH, IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE. 
          SO THAT'S ZERO TO 15 FEET, WHICH IS WHERE TYPICALLY A LOFT BUILDING WOULD BE REQUIRED. 
          UH, THIS IS A UNIQUE SITE AS IT'S NOT ORIENTED TYPICALLY WITH OUR, UH, BLOCK SYSTEM IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT. 
          SO IT IS ONLY ONE STREET THAT IT HAS FRONTAGE ON. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD KIND OF WRAP THE CORNER THERE. 
          UM, THE UTILITIES, WHICH ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN, CREATE SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT STAFF IS WELL AWARE THAT WOULD LIMIT THE ABILITY FOR, UH, A BUILDING TO, TO MEET SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND SEVERAL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CITING. 
          UH, BUT THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT AND WHY THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE PUT IN PLAY. 
          AGAIN, SPEAKING TOWARDS THE PRINCIPAL ENTRANCE IS LOCATED TO THE REAR. 
          UM, THIS IS NOT COORDINATED WITH WHAT CHRIS PROVIDED IN HIS EXAMPLE, BUT, UH, WE TOOK AN OPPORTUNITY TO OUTLINE OUR CONCERNS AND VISUALLY, HOW COULD THIS WORK? WE ARE NOT, THIS IS NOT US ADVOCATING FOR THIS DESIGN, BUT JUST TO ILLUSTRATE, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON HOW STAFF PROVIDED OUR COMMENTS OF HOW DO WE MAKE THIS MORE ORIENTED TOWARDS VILLAGE PARKWAY, HOW DOES THIS CLOSELY MORE CLOSELY MEET THE INTENT OF BRINGING THE BUILDING TO THE STREET, UM, AND MEETING THAT FRONT PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE. 
          THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE TO VISUALIZE KIND OF WHAT OUR COMMENTS ARE ABOUT. 
          UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWN. 
          SO AT THIS STAGE, THERE IS NO, UM, CALCULATIONS PROVIDED FOR ANYTHING REGARDING THE, THE LOFT BUILDING THAT WILL BE PROVIDED IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, I WOULD EXPECT THERE TO LIKELY POTENTIALLY BE A WAIVER FOR TRANSPARENCY ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, UM, FOR THE STREET FACING. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD THAT BE, BE REQUESTED. 
          SO, AS, UH, STAFF REVIEWED THE CONCEPT PLAN, WE FOUND THAT A FEW OF THE, THE CRITERIA WERE NOT MET BASED ON WHAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKETS, UM, IN THE CURRENT SITE PLAN. 
          UH, THOSE WERE RELATED TO THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING AND THE SIDING. 
          UM, SO OUR STAFF DID RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL LARGELY BECAUSE WE FELT THAT THE, WHAT WAS BEING REQUEST THOSE CHANGES WOULD CHANGE THE SITE PLAN SIGNIFICANTLY TO A POINT WHERE IT MAY BE CHANGES TOO MUCH TO WHAT, UH, WE'D BE LOOKING AT IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED AT A PRELIMINARY STAGE. 
          UM, SHOULD THE COMMISSION DECIDE TO APPROVE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          WE DID PROVIDE A FEW COMMENTS WHICH, UH, CHRIS PROVIDED THE EXAMPLES OF MEETING THAT, UH, OR INTENDING TO MEET THAT IN HIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FROM STAFF. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. HELSEL. 
          LOOKING AT THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. 
          MR. WAY, WHY DON'T YOU START US OFF? THANK YOU. 
          I I HAVE A BURNING QUESTION. 
          COULD YOU PULL UP PAGE FOUR OF THE PACKET? SO, UM, THE EASEMENT AND THE ACTUAL LINE IN GREEN ARE DIFFERENT. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? YES. 
          UH, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO STUDY AND REQUIRES ADDITIONAL STUDY ABOUT WHERE, WHICH LOCATION THAT IS. 
          UH, CHRIS AND I HAD SOME CONVERSATION. 
          I THINK HIS CIVIL ENGINEERING TEAM IS GONNA CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO THAT. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT CHANGES THE, THE PUBLIC PARK AND, AND HOW THAT COULD BE SITUATED. 
          AND I KNOW THEY'RE SHOWN, UM, SOME, SOME VERTICAL ELEMENTS TO THAT. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO CONTINUE TO 
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CONTINUE TO DEVELOP PRIOR TO, SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED, THAT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE, KIM, THIS DRAWING IS FROM CITY GIS, THAT, WHICH SHOULD BE ACCURATE. 
          OH, RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT COULD BE A PAPER EASEMENT THAT SOMEHOW GOT SET AND NEVER GOT CHANGED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT WOULD CHANGE THE WHOLE DYNAMICS BECAUSE YOU COULD PULL THE BUILDING EVEN CLOSER TO THE STREET THEN IT, UH, IT, I THINK ONCE IT'S PROPERLY VERIFIED, UM, JUST TO BE CERTAIN, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IT SHOULD, IF, IF THE WHOLE BASIS OF WHERE THESE THINGS GO IS BASED ON WHERE THE PIPES ARE BELOW, UM, IT ABSO THAT'S STEP ONE IS, IS ABSOLUTE FIELD VERIFICATION OF, UH, WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE GROUND. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WHITE, MR. CHINOOK, CAN YOU, I WAS STRUGGLING. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE PRINCIPAL ELEVATION IS? SO YOU'RE STAFF IS SAYING IT'S THE SOUTH, OR SORRY, WE'RE SAYING THE SOUTH ELEVATION'S A PRINCIPAL ELEVATION, EVEN THOUGH THE MAIN ENTRY'S AT THE, BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING CURRENTLY OR WHAT CODE WOULD REQUIRE . 
          OKAY. 
          SO BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING CURRENT CURRENTLY, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO DELINEATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MAIN ENTRY IN THE, ON THE EAST ELEVATION, BUT THEN ALSO I KNOW THE PRINCIPAL OR THE, THERE'S ANOTHER ENTRY. 
          I, I GUESS I'M JUST CLARIFICATION ON IT. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT CODE WOULD REQUIRE IS THAT THE PRINCIPAL ENTRANCE, OR THERE HAS TO BE A PRINCIPAL ENTRANCE THAT IS FRONTING VILLAGE PARKWAY IN THIS CASE. 
          UM, WE AS STAFF WOULD LOOK AT THE NORTH ELEVATION AS BEING THE, THE FRONT FACING ELEVATION. 
          IT IS CITED VERY UNIQUELY TO WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE WITH THE BRIDGE STREET BUILDING, RIGHT? YOU'RE TYPICALLY SEEING THOSE PARALLEL WITH THE STREET. 
          UM, THAT'S THE CLOSEST THAT WE WOULD APPLY IT. 
          SO THE PRINCIPAL ENTRANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE LOCATED ON THAT ELEVATION. 
          SO STAFF IS CONSIDERING THAT TO BE THE PRINCIPAL ELEVATION BECAUSE OF THE ENTRANCE. 
          THE PRI THE MAIN ENTRANCE BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY AND ORIENTATION WITH VILLAGE PARKWAY, WE WOULD CONSIDER THE NORTH ELEVATION TO BE THAT, THAT PRIMARY FRONTAGE. 
          SO WHEN, WHEN WE APPROACH THE, THAT REQUIREMENT, OUR, OUR DRAWING ON PAGE EIGHT, WHERE WE CALL IT EAST ELEVATION, UH, WE ASSUME THAT WAS THE FRONTAGE FACADE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S ON AN ANGLE RELATIVE TO THAT ROAD, IT WAS, I GUESS WE SAW IT AS EITHER WAY AND WE THOUGHT THE BIGGER DIMENSION FACADE WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE PRIMARY. 
          THAT'S WHY THAT ENTRY DOOR IS WHERE IT IS. 
          UH, YEAH, AND I THINK THAT'S MY CLARIFICATION IS THAT, THAT I, I WOULD AGREE THAT THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S THE PRINCIPLE ELEVATION. 
          SO I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY STAFF DOESN'T FEEL THAT WAY. 
          , AND AGAIN, I THINK WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOOK AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER. 
          THE NORTHEAST CORNER IS THE CLOSEST TO THE STREET, AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE MOST PROMINENT YOU'RE SEEING. 
          I, I THINK WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT, AND THAT'S AGAIN, PART OF THE PROCESS IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO DETERMINE AND, AND WOULD PREFER FOR THAT EAST ELEVATION TO BE THAT, THAT PRIMARY ELEVATION, UM, I THINK WE'RE CERTAINLY, WE WOULD BE CERTAINLY AMENABLE TO THAT, UM, AND CAN MAKE UPDATES BASED ON THAT DIRECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUICK ONES. 
          SO YOU MENTIONED THIS, THE CITY WOULD HAVE, UM, CONTROL OR BE PART OF THE ART. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ARTWORK ON THERE, LIKE THE SCULPTURES AND STUFF. 
          YOU'RE, THE CITY HAS CONTROL, ULTIMATE CONTROL OVER THAT? OR IS THAT THE APPLICANT'S DISCRETION? UH, YEAH, IF WE CAN DIRECT THAT ONE TO THE APPLICANT, I'M NOT SURE IF THE PEN ZONES WOULD LOVE THE WORD CONTROL. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, COLLABORATION FOR SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ENGAGEMENT, ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY, THEY WOULD CERTAINLY WORK, UH, CLOSELY WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S HAPPY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MY FINAL QUESTION WAS AROUND THE PARKING FOR THOSE FUTURE BUILDINGS. 
          I THINK WE THINK WE ADDRESSED IT LAST TIME YOU'RE HERE, BUT DO WE THERE, THE, THE PARKING, IF, IF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE DEVELOPED, WE MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS SHOWN IN THIS PLAN? I, I THINK WE DO BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A, A, A VERY SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN PARKING REQUIREMENT ON THE ONE BUILDING FROM IT GOING TO OFFICE FROM WHAT IT USED TO BE AS SALON. 
          UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HEAR THIS IN EVERY ONE OF YOUR, YOUR APPLICANTS IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE PARKING. 
          WE ACTUALLY THINK WE NEED LESS PARKING. 
          UM, THE WALKABILITY FROM THESE TWO BUILDINGS, UH, WE HAVE SOME OBVIOUSLY FOR CODE COMPLIANCE, HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY, UH, YOU KNOW, DROP OFF AREAS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT THE, THE WALK TO THIS VERY LARGE EXISTING PARKING LOT, UM, IS THOUGHT BY THE OWNERS TO BE PERFECTLY FINE. 
          UM, AND WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT WE NEEDED TO CONSUME MORE OF THE, THE PROPERTY. 
          THOSE ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY SMALL FOOTPRINT BUILDINGS BECAUSE OF, AGAIN, ALL THESE PIPES. 
          UM, AND ADDING A WHOLE BUNCH OF PARKING ALL AROUND THEM, I THOUGHT WAS SORT OF CONTRARY TO WHAT EVERYONE'S TRYING TO GET TO IN THAT WALKABLE DISTRICT ALONG, UH, VILLAGE PARKWAY. 
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. AK? UH, HOW'S THE WOOD HOLDING UP? YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S GOTTA, UM, IT'S GOTTA GET OIL TOO OFTEN. 
          I MEAN, THEY HAVE A FULL-TIME MAINTENANCE GUY, SO IT'S NOT SO BAD. 
          I HAVE THE SAME THING ON MY HOUSE AND I HATE IT BECAUSE I HAVE TO OIL IT A LOT. 
          GOT IT. 
          UM, THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE PRODUCTS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN COMPARISON, AND I'M CONCERNED THEY, THEY FEEL TOO PLASTIC. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND SO I LIKE THE AUTHENTIC MATERIAL. 
          UM, IF YOU LET IT JUST GO, IT TURNS GRAY. 
          UM, BUT WITH IT BEING THERMALLY MODIFIED, IT'S, IT SHOWS TOO MUCH KINDA WATERMARKS AND WATER SPOTS. 
          AND SO IT HAS TO BE CONTINUALLY, UH, OILED. 
          THEY, I THINK THEIR GUY DOES IT, UM, PROBABLY EVERY 12 MONTHS. 
          10, 12 MONTHS. 
          GOT IT. 
          UH, IT, THE, THAT QUESTION IS NOT ACTUALLY ENTIRELY ASSOCIATED WITH IT'S HERE. 
          AS MUCH AS YOU TOUCHED ON IT, WE SEE PLENTY OF SYNTHETIC WOOD APPLICATIONS AND ALWAYS ARE INTERESTED IN HOW DO THEY HOLD UP, RIGHT? ARE THEY, SO DO THEY PASS THE SMELL TEST FIRST AND FOREMOST AS IS ALT WOOD? AND THEN HOW DO THEY HOLD UP? YEAH, SO LEMME CLARIFY. 
          A, A THERMALLY MODIFIED WOOD IS WOOD. 
          IT'S JUST INTENSELY BAKED TO GET ALL THE MOISTURE OUT OF IT. 
          AND IT MAKES IT CHEMICALLY SORT OF HARD LIKE EPAY WOULD BE. 
          AND SO, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, A SYNTHETIC WOOD IS, HAS PLASTICS AND RESINS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN TREKS OR TIMBER TECH THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ON THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          THERE'S, UM, BUT WITH NATURAL MATERIAL COMES MAINTENANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MS. HARDER? I JUST HAD A VERY QUICK ONE. 
          UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN NEIGHBORS COMING, BUT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE CONDOMINIUMS ARE BEHIND THAT, UH, ALL THE TREE LINES AND SO FORTH. 
          HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO THEM OR HAVE YOU HEARD FROM THEM ONE DAY THEY'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING? YEAH. 
          AND YEAH. 
          UM, I HAVE NOT, BUT I KNOW, UM, UH, I THINK DEBBIE AND, AND HER STAFF HAVE, UM, THEY, THEY TALK WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO THE REAR OFTEN. 
          UM, AFTER TONIGHT, I WAS GONNA DOUBLE CHECK THAT, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THAT. 
          THAT WAS A BIG PART OF THE PROCESS ON THE TWO, UH, OTHER BUILDINGS. 
          AND THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE, UH, OF WHAT WE'VE DONE. 
          UM, AND SO HOPEFULLY THERE'S THIS'S FINE, I MEAN, THEY GET THE NOTICES, JOHN, JUST LIKE EVERYONE WOULD, BUT I THINK EVEN BEYOND SOMETHING IN THE MAIL, UH, TO GO KNOCK ON A DOOR OR TWO AND, AND SAY, HEY, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE GOOD. 
          UM, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING EVERYONE'S INTERESTED IN, IN, IN DOING. 
          BUT, UM, I, I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THIS USAGE IS, IS GONNA BE TOO CONCERNING, BUT AS A COURTESY, WE ABSOLUTELY WILL DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. FISHMAN, COULD YOU MAKE SURE YOUR MIC IS ON ABOUT THIS AGING MATERIAL? ARE YOU SAYING IT'S GONNA TURN GRAY? NO, NO, NO. 
          IF YOU DON'T MAINTAIN IT, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW HOW CEDAR WOULD TURN GRAY? YEAH. 
          UM, IT, WHAT WE DO, IT HAS AN OIL, A TINTED OIL, UM, THAT YOU, WHEN YOU PUT ON, IT JUST SHEDS THE WATER SO WATER DOESN'T CREATE WATERMARKS. 
          UM, BUT THE MATERIAL THAT YOU SEE HERE, AND THE IMAGE THAT IS ON THIS BOARD IS, IS CONSISTENTLY GOING TO BE MAINTAINED THAT THAT WOOD TONE WE THINK IS IMPORTANT. 
          AND IT JUST TO DO IT WITH THE NATURAL MATERIAL, IT JUST TAKES MAINTENANCE. 
          BUT THEY SO IT'LL STAY THIS COLOR THEN, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UNLESS YOU DON'T LIKE IT, AND THEN I'LL TELL YOU MY ONLY COMMENT. 
          WHY DO YOU SAY UNLESS YOU DON'T LIKE IT? I'LL TELL YOU NO, NO. 
          GREAT. 
          I, I, I'M VERY IMPRESSED. 
          I, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE. 
          I THINK THAT, THAT, UM, I, I, I WOULD REALLY BE SUPPORTIVE IF YOU KEEP MOVING ALONG. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT, THAT THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE LANDSCAPING, IF YOU'RE CLOSE TO THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY INCREDIBLE. 
          SO I THINK THAT GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I, I, I THINK THAT, UH, UM, IT WOULD BE HARD TO, TO OBJECT TO ANYTHING AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, UM, UM, UM, LIVE WORKSPACE IN DUBLIN FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS. 
          AND, AND I THINK THIS WILL SET A WONDERFUL PRECEDENT, UH, IF YOU, IF IT CONTINUES TO LOOK LIKE IT DOES. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UNLESS OBJECTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, AS WE'VE KIND OF SEGUED INTO DELIBERATION, LET'S PAUSE. 
          UM, PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. 
          WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY. 
          WONDERFUL, OKAY. 
          WE WILL GO ON TO DELIBERATION. 
          MR. FISHMAN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR DELIBERATION THAT YOU WANTED TO CALL OUT? NO, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE REST OF YOU, BUT I, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE. 
          I THINK THAT IT, IT'S A GOOD USE FOR THE SPACE. 
          I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE IS REALLY INNOVATIVE, AND I THINK THAT, UH, UH, IT'S, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S REALLY COMING ALONG. 
          I THINK IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH A PUBLIC PARK AND SO ON, I THINK SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL, UH, MAKE A, MAKE A POINT 
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TO, UH, STOPPING BY AND LOOKING AT IT. 
          SO, UH, MR. FISHMAN, CAN I ASK CLARIFICATION ON YOUR FEELINGS ON THE CURRENT SIGHTING OF THE BUILDING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING? WELL, I, I THINK THERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT IT, I THOUGHT, WOW, THEY SHOULD GET IT CLOSER. 
          AND, BUT THEY'VE GOT A, A LOT OF, UH, UH, CHALLENGES WITH THE UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THEY CAN DO, THEY CAN DO. 
          SO, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT CLOSER AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          SO I'M, THEY'RE NOT GONNA MOVE A 52 INCH, UH, LINE TO BUILD A BUILDING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE OPEN SPACE IS THE ONLY OTHER ITEM THAT I THINK THAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON. 
          RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND CLAR, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ACTUALLY, I'LL DIRECT THIS TO STAFF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT, UM, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE PARK AS A PHASE ONE COMPONENT FOR FULL DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE PARK IS A PART OF THE PHASE ONE DEVELOPMENT WITH FULL BUILD OUT. 
          SO MR. MYERS, DID I MISUNDERSTAND? NO, IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S A QUICK SECOND PHASE IN, IN CONCURRENT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE LIVE WORK BUILDING. 
          UM, BUT WE, I THINK THE, THE PARK IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT MORE COLLABORATION AND DESIGN ENGAGEMENT WITH, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY OR WITH OTHERS. 
          UH, AND WE WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE URGENCY ON THE, ON THE, UH, LIVE WORK BUILDING. 
          IT'S GONNA TAKE LONGER TO DEVELOP AND ALSO CONSTRUCT. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS GET STARTED ON THAT, UH, WITH THE REASSURANCE THAT THE PARK IS COMING. 
          IT'S JUST, I, I DON'T WANT US TO DELAY THE LIVE WORK PROJECT, UM, UM, AS A RESULT. 
          SO I THINK OUR FIRST SUBMITTAL, THAT WAS PART OF THE, THE, UM, INFORMAL THAT DIAGRAM, IT SHOWED PHASE ONE WAS OUTLINED, AND THEN PHASE TWO, WHICH INCLUDED THE PARK AND THE, UH, FUTURE BUILDINGS, UH, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOME URGENCY ON THE PARK AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'S A KEY COMPONENT IN THE DESIGN. 
          WE MIGHT EVEN TAKE THAT SITE DIAGRAM AND PUT KIND OF THREE BOXES AROUND IT AND SAY, LET'S, LET'S ALSO GET GOING ON THE PARK. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO KIND OF HAVE THEM DEVELOP A LITTLE SEPARATELY, BUT IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER SO WE CAN MAKE, YOU KNOW, MORE ADVANCED PROGRESS ON THE BUILDING, UH, PORTION URGENTLY. 
          THEY'RE HOME, THEY'RE HOMELESS. 
          REMEMBER I TOLD YOU THAT? YEAH. 
          MI MR. GEL, CAN YOU PULL UP THE DIAGRAM AND A, AS THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME DISCREPANCY BETWEEN STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE, THE APPLICATION THIS EVENING AND THE APPLICANT'S INTENT FOR THE PARK DEVELOPMENT. 
          YOU, ZACH, YOU HAD A, I THINK IN YOUR HISTORY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, WHAT, WHAT WE HAD. 
          YEAH, THAT ONE, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL. 
          I THINK THAT THAT WAS STILL OUR INTENT. 
          UM, I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL AS IF WE'RE GONNA DELAY THIS PARK PORTION INDEFINITELY. 
          IT'S A CRITICAL PART OF THE PROJECT. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, WE JUST HAVE URGENCY ON THE, UH, ON THE LIVE WORK, UH, PORTION. 
          AND WE WANT TO GIVE DUE, UH, PROCESS FOR THE PROPER DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARK. 
          SO THEN FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION OR DIFFERENT, UM, ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE PRESENTED? HAD YOU UNDERSTOOD THE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO TO BE DESIRED? LIKE IT WAS PRESENTED IN AUGUST? YEAH, I THINK IT, I THINK WE WOULD STILL MAINTAIN THE RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE LIVE WORK DWELLING. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE PARK PLAYS A PART IN, IN COVERING THAT FRONTAGE. 
          SO THE PARK IS A BIG PIECE OF THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT AND PART OF OUR REVIEW AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. GEL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          FOR THE SAKE OF EXPEDIENCY, WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH DELIBERATION. 
          UH, MR. FISHMAN, LET'S GO BACK TO YOU. 
          YEAH, I, I'M NOT THAT I DOUBT YOU, BUT I, I, I REALLY AM CONCERNED. 
          I I KIND OF UNDERSTOOD THAT THE PARK WOULD BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND BEFORE A PERMIT WAS ISSUED PRO, SEE THE BUILDING, THE PARK SHOULD BE FINISHED. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE VOTING ON IS NOT JUST THE BUILDING SITTING THERE, BUT THE ENTIRE SETTING, WHICH IS FROM WHAT YOU, I THINK I ADMIRE THE WORK YOU'VE DONE. 
          IT'S SPECTACULAR. 
          BUT, UM, I I, WE DON'T WANNA BE IN A SITUATION WHEN SOMETHING CHANGES, SOMEBODY DIES OR SOMETHING. 
          RIGHT? AND THE PARK NEVER GETS BILLED. 
          AND THAT'S HAPPENED IN, IN DUBLIN, BY THE WAY. 
          AND SO HOPEFULLY NOT ME. 
          I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE GONNA DIE, BUT, BUT, BUT IF I COULD, LET ME, LET ME MODIFY A THOUGHT. 
          UM, RECOGNIZING THAT THAT'S A BIG PART, AND I BELIEVE IT'S A BIG PART AS WELL. 
          MY, MY THOUGHT 
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IS I JUST DON'T WANT TO RUSH IT. 
          UM, BUT IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF US, UH, ADVANCING, UH, THE PROJECT, WHAT WE CAN DO ON OUR END IS, UH, ADVANCE THE STRATEGY OF THE, UH, OF THE PARK TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE WORKING IN CONCERT TOGETHER. 
          THE, THE OTHER BUILDINGS, THOSE I DO HAVE TO SAY ARE, ARE PART OF A, A, A NEXT STAGE. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE INTEGRATION OF THIS, UH, PROJECT INTO ITS SURROUNDING LANDSCAPE AND THEREFORE, UH, OUT TO THAT CORNER, UH, WE, WE TOO BELIEVE IT'S, UH, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, WHAT WE WILL MOST LIKELY DO THOUGH, IS WE, WE WILL DEVELOP BOTH OF THEM. 
          'CAUSE I CAN SEE YOU'RE NODDING HEADS. 
          THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          UM, WE'LL DEVELOP BOTH OF THEM. 
          BUT WHAT WE MIGHT DO IS WE MIGHT EXTRACT THE LIVE WORK PORTION WHEN IT COMES TIME TO SUBMIT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. 
          SO WE MIGHT HAVE TWO SEPARATED SUBMITTALS TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, NOT PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          SO, UM, BECAUSE THE EXPEDIENCY OF THE, OF THE BUILDING REVIEW, I WANT TO ISOLATE, UH, TO THAT. 
          SO, UH, WE DON'T GET, UH, DELAYED FOR THE PARK FOR A BUILDING RELATED THING. 
          SO, UH, TO GIVE YOU THE REASSURANCE THAT, UM, THAT'S A STRATEGY. 
          BUT AGAIN, IF IT NEEDS TO BE ALL PACKAGED IN, UH, ONE COMPONENT, UH, WE'RE RECEPTIVE TO TAKING THAT, UH, GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION. 
          UH, IT'S ALSO MOST LIKELY CONTRACTED BY TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES. 
          THERE'S A BUILDING CONTRACTOR ON ONE, THERE'S A LANDSCAPE CONTRACTOR ON THE OTHER. 
          SO WE MIGHT LOOK TO BE CREATIVE OF HOW WE'RE, UH, IMPLEMENTING THE, THE PROCUREMENT OF THE PROJECT. 
          BUT, UM, IF THE DIRECTION HAS GOTTA HAVE A PARK TO GET THE LIVE WORK, THEN WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP A ART PARK WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY MR. MYERS. 
          SO FOR THE SAKE OF EXPEDIENCY, WE'LL GO THROUGH CONTINUED DELIBERATION. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PHASED THE TEETH, THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, ALL OF THAT AT THE VERY END. 
          MR. SCHNEER, DO YOU WANNA SHARE? UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. 
          I REFLECTING IN MY, UH, THE MOST ATTRACTIVE PROJECT I'VE SEEN IN MY NOW NEARLY FOUR YEAR TENURE. 
          UH, SO KUDOS ALL AROUND, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, CONDITIONS, RE POTENTIAL CONDITIONS, UM, I'M OKAY WITH THE CITING EITHER WAY. 
          I, I, I JUST DON'T FEEL I'M QUALIFIED TO MAKE THIS APPROPRIATE JUDGMENT WITH RESPECT TO WHERE THE SIGHTING SHOULD BE. 
          I'M ALSO OKAY, UM, WITH YOUR PROPOSED, UM, PUBLIC ENTRANCE AS YOU PROPOSED IT. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING BEHIND THE CODE, BUT THIS IS SUCH AN UNUSUAL, TWO THINGS THAT STREET'S AN UNUSUAL STREET COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY IT'S USED BY THE PUBLIC, UM, COMPARED TO OTHER BRIDGE PARK STREETS FOR SURE. 
          AND THIS USE IS UNUSUAL. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PUBLIC, BUT AS YOU SAID, IT'S A GALLERY. 
          IT'S, I ACTUALLY FIND IT MORE INTERESTING THAT, AND I'LL OBVIOUSLY STATE THIS ON THE RECORD, I THINK IT'S MORE INTERESTING TO MEANDER TO GET TO, TO THE ENTRANCE A BIT. 
          SO I'M NOT BOTHERED BY THAT. 
          UH, WE JUST COVERED, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE, UM, UM, PARK IS A PART OF THE PHASE ONE, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU WILL DEAL WITH THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT ISSUES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SCHNEER. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE COMPLIMENT. 
          ALSO, MR. LAC. 
          UM, IT'S A, I'M GONNA CONCUR. 
          IT'S A LOVELY DESIGN. 
          UH, KUDOS ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          UM, YOU'RE JUMPING THROUGH HOOPS ON THIS, ON A SITE THAT IS  CUT UP IN, IN VERY UNFORTUNATE WAYS. 
          AND IT'S, AND IT'S VERY, VERY WELL CONSIDERED. 
          THE CAMPUS IS WELL CONSIDERED. 
          UM, CONGRATULATIONS. 
          UH, I AM SUPPORTIVE. 
          I CONTINUE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, THE CODE DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALLOW, I'M GONNA SAY A RESIDENCE HERE, RIGHT? UM, BUT IT IS AN AWKWARD SITE AND IT IS ADJACENT TO A WEALTH OF RESIDENTIAL RES RESIDENCES ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          SO THIS IS AN INTERMEDIATE STEP BUILDING RIGHT TOWARDS THE COMMERCIAL. 
          I, I AM ACTUALLY VERY SUPPORTIVE, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF, IN A, IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. 
          AGAIN, CAMPUS IS LOVELY. 
          UM, THE FUTURE BUILDINGS ARE LOVELY. 
          THE THROAT BETWEEN THEM IS LOVELY. 
          UM, THE PARK IS LOVELY. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF VERY WELL CONSIDERED, UM, MOVES HERE. 
          APPLAUD THE ART INTEGRATION, APPLAUD THE PARK, APPLAUD THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO ON AND ON. 
          UH, THAT SAID, MR. MYERS, I, I THINK THE, I'M GONNA CONTINUE THE THEME OF, AND, AND I THINK WE SAID IT IN THE 
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PREVIOUS GO ROUND ON THIS, THE FUTURE PHASES AS FAR AS THIS BOARD IS CONCERNED, UM, THEY'RE NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM BINDING, RIGHT? SO IF, IF WE GRANT, IF WE THINK THE, WE COLLECTIVELY THINK THE PARK IS IMPORTANT TO THE PROJECT, RIGHT? UM, UH, AND WE GRANT PHASE ONE ON THE, THE RESIDENTS ALONE, THERE'S NO ASSURANCES THAT MM-HMM,  WE WILL EVER SEE. 
          THERE'S NO ASSURANCES THAT WE WILL EVER SEE THESE BUILDINGS. 
          AND WE READILY RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, FAWNING OVER THEM. 
          UM, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, I HOPE, I HOPE, UH, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S VERY REAL MERIT TO CONSIDERING, CONSIDERING THOSE IN THE FUTURE. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          UH, WE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN PUT OURSELVES IN THAT SITUATION RELATIVE TO THE PARK. 
          BUT AGAIN, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO SAY THE SAME THING THE PARK IS, RIGHT? ALL THESE RULES, ALL THESE, UM, THIS CODE HERE IS LARGELY ABOUT CREATING A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DISTRICT. 
          UH, THE PARK DOES THAT. 
          YEAH, I AGREE. 
          RIGHT? IT DOESN'T DO IT BY THE PRESCRIPTIVE RULES OF SLIDING A BUILDING RIGHT TO THE STREET, RIGHT? WHICH, AGAIN, THAT ISN'T POSSIBLE HERE. 
          IT DOES IT IN A VERY DIFFERENT WAY. 
          UM, AND SO I, I THINK THAT IS THE THING THAT MAKES THIS WORK IN A MM-HMM, , YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY. 
          AND OF COURSE IT IS IN CENTERPIECE RELATIVE TO THAT RESIDENTIAL AND MITIGATING THOSE TYPE THOSE, UM, THOSE THINGS AS YOU COME INTO THIS COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL ZONE. 
          IT, IT IS LOVELY. 
          SO I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO SAY THAT RELATIVE TO THE SIGHTING COMMENTARY. 
          UH, I, I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, BEING ON THE BACK PER RIGHT. 
          NOT BEING ON THE VILLAGE PARKWAY SIDE. 
          UM, I'M OPEN TO EXPLORING EXPLORATIONS OF ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SIGHTING, BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK, AND, UH, I ALSO DON'T THINK SLIDING IT TO THAT CORNER, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE SHORTEST DISTANCE AND THE CLOSEST TO THE CODE, I THINK ALSO FEELS LIKE IT FORCES THIS DESIGN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC. 
          SO, I MEAN, IF IT, IF IT SLIDES YOU ARTICULATED THAT A STORM DRAIN YOU'RE OVER, THAT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT 35 FEET. 
          IF IT WERE TO SLIDE 35 FEET NORTH, IT MIGHT GET A LITTLE CLOSER AND GETS YOU UP AS STORM DRAIN AND BE COMPELLING. 
          I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR IT. 
          POINT IS, I DON'T THINK THE 24 FOOT CORNER,  CORNER, UM, SITTING IS THE, IS THE RIGHT ONE IN GENERAL. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S LOVELY. 
          I, I DO SO HOPE THERE IS REASON TO BUILD THE FUTURE BUILDINGS. 
          I'M NOT HOLDING MY BREATH. 
          UM, ONE THING FOR CLARIFICATION, I THINK IF WE LEAVE TONIGHT, WE, WE ALL NEED TO, I THINK, PUT AN OUTLINE AROUND LIKE WHAT, WHAT WE SHOULD SAY IS PHASE ONE AND WHAT COULD BE PHASE TWO. 
          AND I, I'M IN AGREEMENT AND PHASE ONE INCLUDES THE PARK, BUT LIKE, HOW, HOW DO WE SORT OF WALK AWAY KNOWING WHAT, WHAT ALL DO WE GOTTA, YOU KNOW, REALLY GO AT AND DESIGN? UM, AND, AND WHAT ARE WE RECOGNIZING AS PHASE TWO? BUT MARK, I SUPPORT EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WE, SO I, I'M OBVIOUSLY GONNA ECHO A LOT WHAT YOU'RE HEARING, BUT WHEN I OPENED UP THE PACKET AND I JUST LOOKED AT THE GRAPHICS, I WAS LIKE, WOW, THAT'S THAT YOU GOT THE PARK PART, BUT THEN IT JUST FALLS APART AFTER THE EASEMENT. 
          IT JUST, LIKE THE LANDSCAPE ISN'T, ISN'T REALLY ARTICULATED. 
          AND IT'S JUST THE BUILDING SITTING THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CALL THIS A GALLERY RESIDENCE. 
          UM, I COULD SEE, THINK OF THE GALLERY SITTING IN THE PARK AS OPPOSED TO THE PARK SERVING THE GALLERY. 
          AND I THINK THE, THE ABSOLUTELY FUNDAMENTAL SUCCESS OF THIS IS HOW THAT BUILDING RELATES TO AND INTEGRATES WITH THE PARK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND AGAIN, THE PARK CAN BE A BOUNDARY THING, BUT THAT LANDSCAPE CAN CONTINUE TO THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          SO IT CAN BE LAYERED IN, IN SOME FORM. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY A CODE ISSUE, BUT I THINK THIS BUILDING NEEDS TO HAVE A FRONT DOOR ON THE STREET. 
          AND I MEAN, THE ILLUSION THAT THERE'S A FRONT DOOR THERE, IT MAY NOT BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE, BUT THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU COULD IMAGINE THAT WHEN THERE'S A GALLERY OPENING THAT PEOPLE ARE FLOWING OUT INTO THE GARDEN. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IT. 
          AND RIGHT NOW I'M JUST SEEING THINGS ARE VERY EUCLIDEAN AND JUST HERE, HERE, HERE. 
          SO I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT THE PARK IS FUNDAMENTAL TO MAKING THIS WORK. 
          I THINK THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TRANSLATING THE CODE AND TO CREATING SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY ENERGIZING THE STREET, THAT'S ANIMATING IT, THAT'S CREATING PLACE AND, AND HAVING THIS BUILDING FEEL LIKE IT'S PART OF THE STREETSCAPE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I WILL, I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR AS, AND AGAIN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT SLIDING IT TO THE EAST. 
          I 
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THINK IT COULD BE, I THINK IT'S SLIDING IT AS FAR TO THE NORTH AS YOU CAN. 
          AND IF THAT IS A PAPER EASEMENT AND IT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING ANYMORE, THAT, THAT COULD CHANGE THE WHOLE DYNAMICS OF IT. 
          UM, AND THAT MAYBE THE BUILDING STARTS TO TURN A LITTLE BIT, AND MAYBE, I MEAN, IF THE EASEMENT IS, MAYBE THE BUILDING TAKES ON THAT, THAT ANGLE, AND IT STARTS TO, BECAUSE ALL OF THE BUILDINGS KIND OF ARE KIND OF INTERESTINGLY NOT PERPENDICULAR TO EACH OTHER, SO. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTH LOOKING AT. 
          AND AGAIN, I, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FRONT DOOR, UM, WHERE YOU HAVE IT NECESSARILY. 
          I, I STILL THINK THAT EITHER IT'S THE REAL FRONT DOOR OR IT'S THE ILLUSION OF A FRONT DOOR ON, ON VILLAGE PARKWAY. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          OH, AND JUST, UM, THERE CAN BE AN OVERDESIGN SOMETIMES IN LANDSCAPE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND A PARK. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN ARCHITECTS TRY TO DO LANDSCAPE. 
          BUT I DID MY BEST. 
          I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL. 
          I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE EASED OFF A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF, I MEAN, JUST THINK ABOUT IT AGAIN, THE GALLERY IN THE PARK. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          GREAT THOUGHTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. WANG. 
          MS. HARDER. 
          I THOUGHT YOU BROUGHT UP SOME VERY GOOD POINTS BECAUSE I WAS THINKING OF, UM, ALSO, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR, THE CREATIVITY. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR KEEPING TO WORKING WITH US. 
          AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'VE DEVELOPED A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP, UH, WITH THE CITY, AND I SEE THAT STILL WORKING AND YOU'RE GONNA GET THERE. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR POINTS OF THAT FRONT SPILLING OVER. 
          I ALWAYS LOVE THAT LOOK WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE. 
          AND IT KIND OF REFLECTS THE OTHER AREAS THAT YOU HAVE OVER THERE AS WELL TOO. 
          UM, IT MAY BE JUST LIKE A, A A GET TOGETHER OUTSIDE OF YOUR RECENT LANDSCAPING. 
          I GET THAT. 
          UM, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE COME IN THE ENTRANCE, THOUGH, I LOVE THAT WHERE THE DOOR IS RIGHT NOW. 
          I LIKE THAT IDEA WHERE YOU KIND OF HAVE THAT SURPRISE, LIKE, I'M COMING TO SOME KIND OF SPECIAL EVENT THAT ENTRANCE IN THAT SPOT SPOT. 
          SO MAYBE, MAYBE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO STAY WHERE IT IS AND ALSO TO HAVE MM-HMM, , UM, THAT, THAT OTHER LOOK ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          BUT, UM, I, I DO THINK, AGAIN, UM, THE ART IS IMPORTANT AND, AND, UM, I'VE BEEN A PART OF SOME CITY OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THEY, UH, INCLUDE THE PUBLIC TO COME IN. 
          THEY BRING IN THREE DIFFERENT ARTISTS, AND THE PUBLIC KIND OF DECIDES WHAT OPPORTUNITY THAT COULD BE THERE. 
          IT MAY BE JUST ONE OF THOSE LITTLE BOXES THAT YOU PICK, BUT IT COULD BE INTERESTING. 
          UM, AND ALSO, UH, CONNECTS CONNECTS OUR, UH, CITIZENS TO YOUR NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHICH AGAIN, YOU HAVE ALL DONE A WONDERFUL JOB, UM, BRINGING GOOD BUSINESS AND, AND STRONG EFFORTS IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, LET ME THINK WHAT ELSE. 
          HOLD ON ONE SECOND. 
          UM, THEN, UM, I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH, UM, BRINGS THAT TO MY END THERE. 
          BUT I, AGAIN, I LIKE THAT SURPRISE. 
          I LIKE THE, UH, CONNECTIVITY AND, UM, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE FROM THERE. 
          AND AGAIN, THE PROJECT NEEDS TO CONTINUE, UH, BOTH TOGETHER, WHERE THE PARK, WHICH WE ALL AGREE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, MS. TURNER. 
          MR. CHINOOK, UH, YEAH, I WON'T BELABOR IT ANYMORE. 
          I THINK EVERY, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH EVERYBODY SAYING THAT YOU, YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB WITH THE OVERALL, I MEAN, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT CREATIVITY AND DOING SOMETHING OF INTEREST. 
          WELL, I THINK YOU, THIS IS A HOME RUN, IN MY OPINION, AND, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS FROM LAST TIME. 
          I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT SPECIFICALLY TO THOSE FUTURE BUILDINGS, KIND OF BRINGING IT BACK AND MAKING IT CONNECT WITH THE ONE BUILDING. 
          SO I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE DEFINITELY LISTENED TO US, AND I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR, FOR DOING THAT. 
          IT MAKES OUR JOB A LOT EASIER, . 
          SO APPRECIATE THAT A LOT. 
          UM, I'M STILL STRUGGLING AS MR WAYS WITH THAT FRONT, UM, WITH THE, UH, EAST ELEVATION ENTRY HAVING, I MEAN, TO ME THAT FEELS LIKE THE MAIN FACADE. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY IT EARLIER. 
          BUT I THINK HAVING A DIRECT CONNECTION TO THE, TO THAT, TO THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK OR TO THE OUT FRONT AREA MIGHT MAYBE, MAYBE SHIFT IT, MAKE IT MORE OF A PRESENCE, AN ENTRY ON THAT, ON THAT SIDE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER LAST THING I'LL ADD, I I, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE POSITION YOU HAVE, THE BUILDING HERE, UM, AS PRESENTED IS SPOT ON. 
          I THINK YOU START TO MOVE THE BUILDING OVER, YOU START TO INCREASE THE PAVING ON THE, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S, TO ME, THERE'S MORE NEGATIVES AND POSITIVES. 
          NORMALLY, I, I'M ALL FOR, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT, THAT FRONTAGE AND DECREASING THE, THE, UH, THE FRONTAGE THERE. 
          BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE, WITH THE PARK, I THINK IT MAKES THE PARK NICER. 
          THERE'S A LITTLE MORE SEPARATION. 
          IT MAKES THE PARK FEEL A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. 
          WE TALK ABOUT USABLE GREEN SPACE, AND I THINK THIS DOES A LOT TO CREATE THAT AS IT'S POSITIONED NOW. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK IF WE CAN KIND OF MAKE THAT CONNECTION FROM THE ENTRY TO THE, TO THE FRONT WALKWAY, I THINK WE HAVE A WIN THERE. 
          I JUST, AGAIN, I THINK THAT IN, IN MY OPINION, I DISAGREE, I THINK WITH SOME, SOME OTHER OPINIONS, BUT I JUST THINK THAT AS YOU'VE GOT THE BUILDING CITED HERE, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THERE'S MORE, MORE, MORE 
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PROBLEMS THAN NOT, IN MY OPINION ON IT. 
          BUT AGAIN, I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH. 
          I THINK THIS IS, UH, I'M, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE IT, UH, COME TO FRUITION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK. 
          UM, SO I'LL DO MY COMMENTS FIRST AND THEN I'LL, UH, HELP YOU SUM UP, BECAUSE YOU'RE HEARING SOME DIFFERENCES FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          SO MY OPINIONS, UM, UH, I THINK IT'S A LOVELY DESIGN. 
          I THINK THE BUILDING ITSELF, I THINK YOU HEARD ME REFERENCE TO YEAH, NICE. 
          ONE OF THE APPLICANTS EARLIER THAT THE, THE BUILDING DESIGN IS LOVELY. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH STAFF, THE PART OF THE ZONE THAT YOU'RE IN, AND PART OF THAT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE LIVE WORK COMPONENT MEANS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ACTIVATION ALONG THESE KEY AREAS. 
          AND NOW I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE DESIGN, THE MM-HMM. 
           DRAWING PRESENTED JUST HERE THIS EVENING. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO THE ULTIMATE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE YOU COULD GO BASED ON THE 15 FOOT EASEMENT AS WE KNOW IT TODAY. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO TO THE EXTREME, BECAUSE I THINK IT PINCHES THE PARK TOO MUCH IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THE UNDULATION IS NOT NATURAL COMING FROM THE EXPANSION OF THE PARK TO THE FUTURE BUILDINGS. 
          BUT IF WE PULL THE BUILDING SITE CLOSER TOWARD VILLAGE PARKWAY, THEN I THINK WE ALSO HAVE THE ARGUMENT FOR THE ENTRYWAY WHERE YOU HAVE IT FACING VILLAGE PARKWAY. 
          SO AS THAT BUILDING COMES FORWARD, THAT ENTRY BEFORE THE NEW BUILDINGS ARE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, IF I'M LOOKING AT THE ANGLES AS I DRAW THEM HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THEN THAT ENTRANCE, AS YOU HAVE IT NOW IS FACING AND TO ME MEETING THE, THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE OF ACTIVATION ON THAT PARTICULAR FRONTAGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO I THINK IT GIVES US TWO THINGS. 
          IT BRINGS IT CLOSER TO THE STREET, NOT TO THE EXTREME, SO THAT THE PARK IS STILL NATURALLY, UH, MASKED IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, BUT ALSO GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR INTERPRETATION THAT THAT INJURY IS A LONG VILLAGE PARKWAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I THINK IT DOES TWO THINGS FOR US. 
          UM, I THINK ONE OF THE, THE CALLOUTS AND ONE OF THE BALANCES THAT WE STRIKE WITH ONE OF, UH, WITH THESE PARTICULAR AREAS IS WE WANT THE ACTIVATION AT THE STREET LEVEL, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS OF THAT ACTIVATION AT THE STREET LEVEL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO BARBECUES, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WITH THE, THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF THE BUSINESS OF THE BUILDING, AND WITH THAT ENTRY BEING THERE, IT'S LESS LIKELY THAT WE WOULD SEE THOSE COMPONENTS LIKE THE BARBECUE AND LIKE THOSE BACKYARD TYPE FEATURES. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'D BE A TREAT TO SEE CHUCK ON A BARBECUE, BUT EXACTLY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO I ALSO CONSIDER THE PARK CRUCIAL TO THIS PHASE ONE. 
          IT IS THE CHARACTER OF THAT, IT'S HOW IT FLOWS. 
          AND FRANKLY, FOR STAFF, I SEE THIS KIND OF PARK THAT TO ME IS A POCKET PLAZA. 
          THAT TO ME IS A POCKET PARK. 
          SO IT HAS ENOUGH IDENTITY. 
          IT, IT'S NOT AN ACTIVE PARK. 
          THERE'S NOT PLATE EQUIPMENT OR, YOU KNOW, SPLASH PADS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY INVITING. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO GO TO. 
          IT IS A DESTINATION. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S LACKING IN OUR BRIDGE PARK AREA, ESPECIALLY THE POCKET PLAZAS WHERE THERE'S NO ACTIVATION, THERE'S NO INVITATION TO GO THERE. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY PERSONAL COMMENTS. 
          I WANNA TAKE A STEP BACK TO THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED DIRECTION AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE VOICE OF THE MANY, NOT JUST THE VOICE OF THE INDIVIDUALS. 
          YES. 
          SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, UM, I THINK THE CLARIFICATION ON THE PARK, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, THAT THAT IS CRITICAL TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. 
          AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IN PHASE ONE. 
          SO QUESTION FOR STAFF IS, AGAIN, THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS. 
          THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT TAKE PLACE. 
          BUT ONE SITE PLAN, ONE APPLICATION, WHAT ARE THE TEETH FOR THE CITY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS TYPICALLY THAT HOLDBACK CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS HELD. 
          IF, IF I COULD ADD TO THE QUESTION TO, BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL CLARIFY. 
          YEAH. 
          LL LET'S DO MINE AND THEN I'LL PIGGYBACK IMMEDIATELY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA MAKE IT EASY FOR JENNY. 
          SO , WHAT, WHAT ARE THE TEETH AFTER THE FACT FROM A W WE GET THE PARK SHORTLY, IT'S PART OF THE SAME APPLICATION, AND THEN WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE QUESTION. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT ALL PART OF ONE APPLICATION SO THAT YOU, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE SORT OF FINAL APPROVAL FROM A BUILDING SIDE THAT WOULD HAVE TO ULTIMATELY BE APPROVED WITH THAT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO AGAIN, I THINK WE WOULD LOOK AT HOW WE WOULD, UM, AND, AND THE SAME PHRASING OF THAT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH. 
          TYPE LEVERAGE. 
          I WOULD SEE IN A, HEY, WE'RE PULLING A, PULLING A RESIDENTIAL PERMIT, BUT IT'S WINTERTIME SO WE CAN'T DO CERTAIN 
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LANDSCAPING ITEMS. SURE. 
          THERE'S SING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S SORT OF MM-HMM,  WHAT I'M ENVISIONING PERHAPS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, GETTING A TEMPORARY OCCUPANCY WHILE, WHILE THE PARK IS COMPLETED. 
          I SEE. 
          UH, MR. MYERS, I  I'LL, I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT YOUR THOUGHT IS. 
          MY APPROACH IS WE, FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF THE REGULATORY REVIEWS AND PERMITTING, WE TREAT IT AS IT'S ONE PROJECT AND THEN IT'S A, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW WE SET UP THE DOCUMENTS. 
          SO THERE'S A CLEAR PROCUREMENT FOR THE LANDSCAPE CONTRACT. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS A ELEVATED COMMERCIAL LANDSCAPE CONTRACTOR. 
          IT'S NOT A NECESSARILY A, YOU KNOW, A RESIDENTIAL PLANT PLANNER. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK THE, THE CHALLENGE OF HOW DO WE DELIVER THE, THE PROJECT IN WHOLE, I THINK THAT'S ON US. 
          I THINK THE, THE, THE CITY AND THE ULTIMATELY PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA GET IS ONE PACKAGE FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AND WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE SHEETS THAT WOULD GO TO LANDSCAPE AND SHEETS THAT WOULD GO TO CONTRACTOR, BUT WE, WE FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          YOU, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO FUSS OVER IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE THE PARK QUESTION, I BELIEVE CONSENSUS AGREEMENT AND, UH, SUBSTANTIATION. 
          I, I, ONE QUESTION COULD, COULD YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON WARREN? I ALWAYS THINK OF LONGEVITY AND, AND, UM, FROM THE PICTURES, IT, THE PARK AND THE HOUSE, THE, THE RESIDENTS KIND OF GO TOGETHER AND, UM, I I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS IT'S A PARK, NOT A HOUSE WITH INCREDIBLE, YOU KNOW, UH, RIGHT ACREAGE. 
          SO IT'S SO, UH, IT'S TRICKY BECAUSE IT'S, I MEAN, IT IS STILL THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT? AND SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INCLUSION IS CERTAINLY WHERE WE'RE ALL HEADED. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME COMPONENTS TO THIS THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DESIGN INTO THIS PARK. 
          DESIGN IS HOW DO YOU DELINEATE, YOU KNOW, THEIR PRIVATE SPACE VERSUS THE, THE SORT OF PUBLIC SPACE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE DESIGN CHALLENGE TO FIGURE OUT. 
          HOPEFULLY WE'VE GIVEN YOU THE CONFIDENCE WE CAN DO THAT. 
          UM, BUT I, I THINK KIM MADE A GOOD POINT ABOUT IT'S THAT TRANSITIONAL SPACE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE PARK THAT FEELS SEAMLESS, BUT IT ALSO FEELS VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHO SHOULD BE WHERE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA DRIVE THAT, THAT DESIGN. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT THAT, THAT'S TRUE. 
          BUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT WE, WE KNOW, WE'VE DECIDED YOU'VE AGREED THAT THE PARK AND THE, THE, THE BUILDING WILL BE READY AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UM, BUT I, I WOULD, I WOULD, I KNOW SITUATIONS IN OTHER CITIES WHERE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW IT'S A PARK, IT LOOKS LIKE A, A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE WITH LOTS OF ACREAGE. 
          SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING DELINEATE THAT, THAT IT IS A PARK, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE TO THE PARK AND PEOPLE CAN USE THE PARK. 
          WELL, AND, AND I WOULD AGREE. 
          AND I, AND I THINK WHERE, WHERE, UH, I WOULD SAY DUBLIN IS SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT IS ACTUALLY THE EXAMPLES RIGHT DOWN THE STREET AT OUR OTHER PROJECT THAT, THAT PEDESTRIAN LANDSCAPE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D CALL IT A PARK, BUT IT'S A VERY BIG LANDSCAPE AREA, IS INTERFACED WITH THE PUBLIC AND PEOPLE WALKING AND DOGS AND BENCHES AND, UM, IT'S A VERY SEAMLESS LINE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS PART OF A BUSINESS AND WHAT IS PART OF THE, UH, THE PUBLIC. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT WITH THIS ENTIRE LANDSCAPE EDGE BETWEEN THE ROAD AND ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS, IS HOW DO YOU BLUR THAT LINE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOR US AND THAT'S FOR YOU AND, AND ALLOW THAT DESIGN TO BE COHESIVE. 
          SO I, I ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE OF THAT, IF NOT EVEN BETTER THAN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THERE WOULD BE, OKAY, SO, SO AS THIS IS CONCEPT PLAN, WE'RE GONNA MOVE THIS ALONG FOR DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK THE ONLY ITEM THAT WE HAVE REMAINING CLARIFICATION ON IS THE SIDING OF THE BUILDING. 
          THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO SAID, LEAVE IT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          WELL, WELL, I THINK MR. CHINOOK SAID LEAVE IT EXACTLY WHERE IT IS. 
          UH, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE SAID, OKAY, I, I'M UNSURE ABOUT ITS PARTICULAR SIDING. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS IS CONCEPT PLAN AND THERE'S THE, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ACCURACY OF THE EASEMENTS. 
          SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, IS THERE GENERAL CONSENSUS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AS FAR AS THE NEXT TIME WE SEE THIS, LET'S LOOK AT OUR OPTIONS FOR THE BUILD ENVELOPE AND WHERE THE BUILDING LIES WITHIN THE, THE PARCEL. 
          SO THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS. 
          ONE IS YOU COULD MOVE THE BUILDING CLOSER TO THE STREET OR YOU CAN BRING THE PARK CLOSER TO THE BUILDING. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S FLEXIBILITY, BUT IT'S ABOUT, ABOUT THE INTEGRATION OF THE PARK, THE LANDSCAPE AND THE BUILDING. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING RIGHT NOW. 
          IT FEELS VERY SEPARATED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND I THINK IN THERE, THERE IS A SOLUTION, AND IT MAY NOT 
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BE THIS DRAWING, IT MAY BE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMPROMISE. 
          BUT IT'S THE FACT THAT NOW THIS BUILDING IS, IS REALLY EMBRACING THE PARK AND THE PARK IS EMBRACING THE BUILDING. 
          CAN WE TAKE THE POSITION THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE PRESCRIPTIVE AT THIS TIME? A A AGREED. 
          WE'RE CONCEPT PLANS. 
          SO MR. MYERS, IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DIRECTION OF THE, THE COMMISSION THAT WE'RE NOT, NOT NAILED DOWN ON WHERE WE WOULD LIKE IT, BUT RATHER WHEN YOU COME BACK, IF YOU COULD SAY, HEY, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE'D LIKE IT BECAUSE OF X, Y, Z, BUT IF WE NEED TO MOVE IT THIS WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I THINK WE'RE WHERE WE'RE HEADED. 
          'CAUSE IT'S, MY HEAD IS, THERE'S FOUR THINGS WE'RE GONNA DO. 
          I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE CLOSER THAN 70, BUT NOT RIGHT UP AT THE EDGE. 
          I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA ROTATE THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA MOVE THE, THE IMPRESSION OF A ENTRY POINT OR DOOR, UH, CLOSER TO THE VISIBILITY OF VILLAGE, UH, PARKWAY. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA ALSO, THE FOURTH THING IS I THINK WE'RE GONNA CREATE A BETTER INTEGRATION BETWEEN THE, THE PARK AND THE LANDSCAPE OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE HYPHEN BETWEEN THE TWO THAT WILL REALLY KIND OF MAKE THAT WHOLE AREA ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THE ITEMS, UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S GOTTA BE IN THE RIGHT SPOT. 
          IT'S GOTTA FEEL LIKE THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PRESENCE OF ITS FIRST IMPRESSION. 
          UM, BUT IT ALSO HAS TO BE SEAMLESS TO THE, TO THE PARK. 
          I, I THINK THE ROTATION HELPS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, LOCK IT IN SO HEAVILY TO THE, TO THE STREET GEOMETRY. 
          UM, SO, WE'LL EVERYONE WILL LOVE IT. 
          SO, SO IF I CAN RESTATE, ESSENTIALLY, ZACH, THIS MAY BE REALLY EASY FOR YOU BECAUSE WHAT I JUST HEARD YOU SAYING IS THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED. 
          THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK TO MOVE OR REORIENT THE BUILDING CLOSER TO VILLAGE PARKWAY TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE SIDING REQUIREMENTS. 
          THAT YOU WILL MODIFY THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC ENTRANCE TOWARD THE NORTH OR THE NORTHEAST FRONTAGE. 
          THE, THE IMPRESSION OF A PUBLIC ENTRANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, VISUAL, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, TO INCORPORATE THE BUILDING DESIGN INTO THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED PUBLIC PARK AND WORK TO, WITH ENGINEERING FOR ALL THE OTHER NUTS AND BOLTS. 
          YOU GOT IT. 
          SO TO ME, I THINK THE FOUR ORIGINAL CONDITIONS WITH TWO WORD MODIFICATIONS, MR. SCHNEER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UM, THAT MOVE THE BUILDING CLOSER TO VILLAGE PARKWAY, UH, I THINK CAN STAND ON ITS OWN. 
          THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING, UH, ORIENTATION ROTATION. 
          I, I THINK THAT ORIENTATION KIND OF COVERS BOTH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, UH, BUT THE ONE ADDITION, THE, WHERE IS IT? THE FRONT ENTRANCE, PUBLIC ENTRANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          NUMBER TWO, TO PROVIDE THE VISUAL PUBLIC ENTRANCE. 
          I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING, HEY, JUST AN IMPRESSION OF A PUB. 
          THERE'S NO DOOR THERE, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE AVOIDING THAT, BUT LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATION. 
          CAN I CLARIFY THAT? SO IF, IF I, I STILL STAND THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING NEEDS TO STAY AS IS. 
          SO IF WE'RE PUTTING THIS AS A CONDITION, THEN I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF IT. 
          IS THAT THE CLARIFICATION? OKAY. 
          YES. 
          UNDERSTANDING THIS IS CONCEPT PLAN AND IT'S COMING BACK. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I, I JUST WANNA BE, I, I THINK WE NEED TO, AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR IT, BUT EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKING ABOUT OF MAKING THIS PARK FEEL LIKE A PARK AND NOT TY TYING IT SO CLOSE. 
          I MEAN, BRINGING THE BUILDING CLOSER IS GONNA MAKE PEOPLE LESS COMFORTABLE BEING AT THAT PARK. 
          SO I THINK WE, WE JUST NEED TO CON, I MEAN, I CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH. 
          I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER THE ORIENTATION. 
          I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT INTEGRATING THE TWO, BUT IF WE BRING THAT BUILDING CLOSER, I, I REALLY DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE AS COMFORTABLE USING THAT PARK THE WAY IT'S INTENDED TO BE USED. 
          SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR IT. 
          I KNOW IT'S A CONDITION, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT NEXT TIME. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CONTINUE. 
          CAN WE TAKE A, FOR THAT, CAN WE, A STRONG VOTE AS TO WHETHER THE COMMISSION'S IN FAVOR OF MAINTAINING, RETAINING THE FIRST CONDITION? BECAUSE I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF STRIKING THE FIRST CONDITION. 
          WHAT'S THE FIRST CONDITION? REMIND ME. 
          THE APPLICANT WORKED TO MOVE THE BUILDING CLOSER TO VILLAGE PARKWAY TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE SIDING REQUIREMENTS OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT. 
          I, I TOO WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF STRIKING THAT I AM. 
          HOW ABOUT THIS? I I AM IN FAVOR OF THE EXPLORATION OF SIDING. 
          YEAH. 
          GIVEN, GIVEN THE ENTIRETY OF THE COMMENTARY TONIGHT. 
          I, I, I'M NOT DEFINITIVELY, I I DON'T THINK WE'VE TOUCHED ON A DEFINITIVE SOLUTION. 
          I'M WILLING TO, AGAIN, YOU TOUCHED ON IT, 
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THAT'S PRESCRIPTIVE. 
          HOW ABOUT WE CHANGE THE WORDING THE APPLICANT EXPLORE MOVING THE BUILDING CLOSER TO VILLAGE PARKWAY? WELL, I HEARD WAS TO RESPOND EXACTLY WHERE THE EASEMENTS ARE CORRECT. 
          EXPLORE. 
          WELL, THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD DO IS FIND OUT WHERE THE, AND AGAIN, WE'RE A CONCEPT PLAN. 
          AND SO CONCEPT PLAN WE'RE CRAYONS. 
          I I ALSO, I WOULD JUST ADD, 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT IT AS THE, IT'S JUST NOT LINEAR LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK YOU, YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GAUGE IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL, IF THERE'S 25 THINGS THAT ARE WORKING REALLY WELL TOGETHER, NOT JUST A NUMBER OF A DIMENSION. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS HOW DO, HOW DO WE DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU CAN GAUGE SUCCESS OF ITS POSITION? YOU KNOW, I'LL GUARANTEE IT'S NOT GONNA BE BIGGER THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING IN DIMENSION. 
          BUT WHAT, WHAT I'VE HEARD YOU, I'VE HEARD THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO, UH, ADDRESS TO BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE AND GIVE THE IMPRESSION OF FRONT DOOR, UH, WHICH I REALLY THINK IS A DOOR. 
          UM, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT DIMENSION IS SORT OF, I HATE SAYING IT, BUT WHAT FEELS RIGHT BASED ON THE DESIGN AND INTEGRATION INTO THE LANDSCAPE STRATEGY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, UM, WE, WE ESSENTIALLY STRUCK THAT NUMBER ONE, HOWEVER, NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FIVE, OUR MODIFIED. 
          SO NUMBER THREE, WORK TO INTEGRATE THE BUILDING, DESIGN AND SIDING INTO THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED PARK. 
          THAT MOSTLY COMES FROM MR WAY, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT ALSO INCORPORATES THAT, YOU KNOW, EXPLORE THE, THE SIDING OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND THEN NUMBER FIVE, INVESTIGATING THE LOCATIONS OF UTILITIES AND EASEMENT. 
          IS THE COMMISSION GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE AGAINST DROP HOLE BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION ON THE CONCEPT PLAN? GENERALLY CONS, SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONDITIONS, THE WAY THAT THEY'RE WRITTEN. 
          I, I, I'M SUPPORTIVE. 
          I, I ALSO, I LIKE HIS DESIGN AND, AND, AND I, I THINK WE, WE CAN'T, THE EASEMENT'S, THE EASEMENT, WE CAN'T FORCE IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          ANY CLOSER TO THE EASEMENT. 
          ALSO, I'M, I'M KIND OF OBSESSED WITH MAKING SURE PEOPLE REALIZE THAT'S A PUBLIC PARK. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO NAPLES AND YOU SEE PEOPLE RUNNING PEOPLE OFF THE BEACH, IT'S NOT THEIR LAND, BUT THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, SO WHO KNOWS WHEN ZOS PASS ON, SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE ABOUT THAT PARK. 
          SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE WITH A, WITH A SMALL SIGN AND SO PEOPLE KNOW IT'S A PUBLIC PARK. 
          YOU KNOW? AND IF I COULD ALSO ADD, UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF WHY I WENT BACK AND MADE THESE MORE GENERALIZED, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH CHRIS AND HIS TEAM A LOT BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN YOU SEE THIS AGAIN AND WE COMPLETELY HEAR YOU AND UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, THAT IT'S NOT ONE EXTREME OR THE OTHER. 
          THAT IT'S, IT NEEDS TO MAKE SENSE AND NEEDS TO UM, YOU KNOW, BE CONSISTENT AND, AND BE COHESIVE. 
          SO WE HEAR YOU ON THAT AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GENERALIZED. 
          SO THAT IT MAY STAY THE WAY IT IS, BUT IT ABSOLUTELY COULD, COULD CHANGE AS WELL. 
          JUST CRAYONS RIGHT NOW. 
          JUST CRAYONS. 
          CRAYONS. 
          HE LOVES IT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR A MOTION THEN. 
          WE, WE HAVE THE, UM, FIVE RECOMMENDATION COMMISSIONS, UH, CONDITIONS UP ON THE, WELL WE DID ON THE SCREEN LOOKING FOR A MOTION. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE FIVE CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SECOND. 
          THANK YOU MR. SOAK. 
          UH, WHO WAS THE SECOND? I, BOTH OF 'EM SAID IT. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. FISHMAN. 
          MS. BE ALL RIGHT. 
          MR. SNEER? YES. 
          YES. 
          MR. SITMAN? YES. 
          YES. 
          MR. YES. 
          MR. FISHMAN. 
          MR. FISHMAN. 
          OH, YES. 
          MR. OCK. 
          YES. 
          MS. HARDER? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD FOR US. 
          THANK YOU MR. MEYER. 
          MR. MEYER, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FORWARD. 
          WE REALLY APPRECIATE THIS PROCESS. 
          SO YOU GUYS GO THROUGH AND I APPRECIATE YOU STAYING LATE TOO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LIKEWISE. 
          YEAH, THANKS FOR STAYING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I LOST MY LAST PAGE OF MY AGENDA. 
          I BELIEVE COMM 
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COMMUNICATIONS IS NEXT. 
          , DO YOU HAVE JUST THANK YOU FOR A GOOD YEAR. 
          UM, APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK, UM, OF THE COMMISSION AND COLLABORATING ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS. 
          SO THANKS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORTIVE STAFF AND GOOD, UM, CONVERSATION AND COLLABORATIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIP. 
          WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS JANUARY 4TH, SO EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY. 
          HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE. 
          THANKS FOR SPENDING ANOTHER THURSDAY NIGHT AND MEETING ADJOURNED.
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