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I WILL CALL[CALL TO ORDER]
THE NOVEMBER 27TH, 2023 COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.AND JENNY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MS. SALUTO? HERE.
[ADJOURNMENT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION]
TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSIDERING THE EMPLOYMENT OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE CONSIDERING THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, AND TO CONSIDER CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION RELATED TO A REQUEST FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE THAT INVOLVES PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, AND WHICH EXECUTIVE SESSION IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE POSSIBLE INVESTMENT OR EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC FUNDS TO BE MADE IN CONNECTION WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.IS THERE A SECOND, PLEASE? A SECOND.
[RECONVENE (7 P.M.)]
EVENING, EVERYONE.UM, THIS EVENING I WILL ASK COUNCILMAN REINER IF HE WOULD PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS/RECOGNITION]
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE AND BRING FORWARD MR. SCOTT BROWN FROM THE STATE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.I UNDERSTAND HE HAS A PRESENTATION TO MAKE.
UM, AND WELCOME, UM, WELCOME TO YOU TWO ON THIS CHILLY EVENING.
UM, UM, I, I DO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
MY NAME IS SCOTT BROWN, AND I SERVE AS, AS, UM, STATE AUDITOR KEITH FABERS, CENTRAL OHIO GOVERNMENTAL LIAISON.
IT'S MY HONOR TO BE HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF THE AUDITOR TO PRESENT THE CITY OF DUBLIN WITH THE AUDITOR OF STATE AWARD WITH DISTINCTION.
THIS AWARD REALLY PUTS YOUR CITY IN A VERY SELECT GROUP.
OUR OFFICE AUDITS APPROXIMATELY 6,000 ENTITIES EVERY YEAR, AND LESS THAN 4% ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS AWARD.
THE AUDITOR OF STATE AWARD WITH DISTINCTION IS PRESENTED TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, AND OTHER ENTITIES.
UPON THE COMPLETION OF A FINANCIAL AUDIT THAT MEET THESE CRITERIA, TO BE CONSIDERED A CLEAN AUDIT REPORT, THE ENTITY MUST FILE FINANCIAL REPORTS WITH THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE BY A STATUTORY DUE DATE, WITH NO EXTENT, WITH NO EXTENSION ON A GAP ACCOUNTING BASIS, AND PREPARE A COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT.
THE AUDIT REPORT DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY FINDINGS FOR RECOVERY, MATERIAL CITATIONS, MATERIAL WEAKNESSES, SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES, UNIFORM GUIDANCE, FINDINGS, OR QUESTIONS COSTS.
BASICALLY, IT'S WHAT WE CONSIDER A CLEAN AUDIT, UM, LETTER, OR A VERY SHORT ONE PAGE AUDIT LETTER, WHICH MOST PEOPLE LIKE TO SEE.
UM, THIS AWARD REALLY REPRESENTS THE HARD WORK OF ALL OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S EMPLOYEES, THE FINANCIAL STAFF, AND WHO MAKE EVERY EFFORT EACH DAY TO ATTAIN ACCOUNTING EXCELLENCE.
I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE COUNCIL, THE ADMINISTRATION, AND THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT THAT, THAT HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB WATCHING OVER EVERY DOLLAR.
WE SPECIFICALLY WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MATT STIFFLER FOR HIS LEADERSHIP, PROFESSIONALISM, AND EXCEPTIONAL COMMITMENT TO FISCAL INTEGRITY.
CONGRATULATIONS ON BEHALF OF AUDITOR FABER.
I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THE CITY OF DUBLIN, THE AUDITOR OF STATE AWARD WITH DISTINCTION.
AND I KNOW MATT'S NOT HERE THIS EVENING, BUT I THINK WE HAVE JAMIE HERE FROM THE OFFICE, AND SO SHE WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ACCEPT THAT AWARD.
WE'RE SO PROUD OF OUR, OUR FOUR, THE TOP 4%.
SO I KNOW MATT'S NOT HERE THIS EVENING, BUT I HOPE HE IS WATCHING, AND SO CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE IN FINANCE.
[CITIZEN COMMENTS]
OUR AGENDA IS CITIZEN COMMENTS, AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO COMMENT ON ANY TOPIC THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.AND LINDSAY, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED IN? YES, WE HAVE PETE JUDY SIGNED IN TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.
IF YOU'LL JUST COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM
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AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.AND, UH, MY, UH, MY NAME IS PETE.
I LIVE AT 4 2 3 1 BRYON COVE CIRCLE IN DUBLIN OFF OF HEART ROAD.
UH, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, AMY KREM FOR HER DILIGENCE AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, WANTING ME TO COME HERE AND TO SPEAK.
AND, UH, BUT YOU CANNOT GO WITHOUT NOTICE ARE, UH, UH, UH, DIVISION OF POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE.
THEY WERE SO, UH, UM, CORDIAL IN FOLLOWING UP.
I MEAN, SO IT JUST SHOWS YOU THAT HOW REALLY, UH, UH, HOW, HOW, HOW WELL WE ARE BENEFITING, NOT FROM THEIR TENACITY, BUT FROM THE OVERALL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
THEY WERE, THEY CONTACTED ME SEVERAL TIMES.
THE ISSUE I'M TRYING TO, UH, SHARE WITH YOU IS, AND I ALREADY BROUGHT IT TO S ATTENTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT OR WELL, BUT JUST READ IT.
YOUR EMAIL THAT I SENT TO, UH, OUR COUNCIL PERSON, AMY CRAM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, UH, AS A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND LIVING ON HARD ROAD, UH, AND BEING PART OF THE SUBDIVISION CALLED BRYON COVE, I WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS BASICALLY THAT'S ORGANIZED THE ASSOCIATION.
SO I, I WAS FORTUNATE TO SEE HOW THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD GROWN LITERALLY.
AND, UH, IT WAS A VERY YOUNG, UH, SUBDIVISION.
IT STILL IS, BUT MOST OF THESE, UH, YOUNG STUDENTS, THEY HAVE GROWN AND THEY GO, GO, UH, TO THE, TO THE HIGH SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET.
AND IT WAS VERY TOUCHING AND VERY HARD TO REALLY SEE SOMETIMES THAT THEY ARE DEPRESSED, THE BUTTON EVEN JUST TO GET THE, UH, LIGHT COME ON AND HELP THEM TO CROSS.
YOU SEE THE TRAFFIC COMING UP SPECIFICALLY THE, UH, THE, THE, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THIS ROAD IS ABOUT HALF MY ROAD FROM, UH, RIVERSIDE DRIVE TO SR ROAD.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE CANNOT STOP THE TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE NEED TO GO TO PLACES.
THE ISSUE IS THROUGH TRAFFIC, THE TRUCKS, HEAVY CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS, AND WE SEE SKID MARKS.
SO, AND MIMA AND MY HOUSE BEING THE FIRST HOUSE RIGHT THERE AND CROSS THE STREET FROM SIDE, I, I, I WITNESSED THAT DAILY.
AND, AND THESE ARE MY NEIGHBORS.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT I WATCHED THEM GROW.
SO IT, I REALLY COULD NOT, UM, UH, JUST LAY LOW AND DON'T DO ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S WHY IT FIRED, FIRED UP THIS EMAIL TO, TO YOU ALL.
I SAID TO HIM, TO HER RATHER, I'M SORRY.
UM, OUR RESIDENTS AND THE SIDE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS FROM THE BRYSON COACH SUBDIVISION THAT CROSSED THE HARD ROAD, ARE REQUESTING YOUR SUPPORT REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION THROUGH TRAFFIC TO BE DIVERTED, UH, AT LEAST NOT THROUGH HARD ROAD OR AT LEAST BE MINIMIZED.
UH, AND ONE POTENTIAL ROUTE THAT WE THINK FEW OF OUR RESIDENTS THINK WOULD BE THROUGH EMIR PARKWAY, THE QUESTION COULD COME UP WHILE EMER PARKWAY ALSO HAS A MIDDLE SCHOOL.
WELL, THERE IS NO CROSSING ON EMER PARKWAY FARTHER SOUTH OF US.
SO THE, THE, THE POINT I'M DRIVING AT IS THOUGH, THERE IS NOT A SILVER BULLET SOLUTION FOR ANY ONE OF THESE, BUT TRAFFIC IS, UH, GETTING MORE INTENSE.
WE, UH, BESIDES THE NOISE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THESE GUYS DO, AS THEY COME UP THE RAMP FROM THE, UH, ENGINE HOUSE 92, THERE IS REALLY A SMALL HILL.
SO THEY NEED TO FLOOR THE ENGINE TO GET THESE, YOU KNOW, MULTI TONNAGE, UH, DEVICE TO GET OVER THE HUMP.
SO WHEN THEY REACH, ACTUALLY MY HOUSE, THAT'S WHERE THE SIGN IS THAT THE STUDENTS NEED TO CROSS.
THEY HAVE REACHED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE HIGH SPEED THAT THEY CAN GET INTO, THEY CANNOT GO BEYOND 35, RIGHT? HOWEVER, THAT 35, WITH THE MOMENTUM THAT THEY HAVE IN THE ENGINE, IT GIVES THEM ENOUGH ACCELERATION JUST TO PROCEED FORWARD.
NOW, WE BE TALKING ONLY ABOUT HALF A MILE FROM RIVERSIDE DRIVE TO SUMMER ROAD, BUT WE HAVE TWO, THREE LIGHTS, RIGHT? SO THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT CAN WE ADD MORE LIGHTS? WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL THESE OPTIONS AND ALL THAT, WE THINK AS THE RESIDENTS AND THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN, OF OUR, OF OUR STUDENTS, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
SO THE TRAFFIC DIVERSION PERHAPS, AND, AND I KNOW WHAT I'M ASKING, AND, UH, AND, AND, AND THANK YOU, UH, FOR, UH, FOR YOU ALSO LOOKING AT ME, IT IS NOT AN EASY THING TO DO.
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REALLY CANNOT JUST STOP THE BUSINESSES.BUT, UH, IF YOU CAN ASK THEM TO JUST DRIVE TWO MILES OUT AND THEN TAKE EMERALD THROUGH BRIGHT ROAD AND DO WHATEVER THAT DAY DESTINATION IS, EITHER MOUNT CARMEL, UH, YOU KNOW, SITE, OR EVEN TWO 70, MOST, MOST LIKELY, THEY ALL WANT TO GO TO TWO 70.
SO IT HAS REALLY BEEN ESCALATED FOR THE PAST, UM, I'D SAY MONTHS, IF NOT COUPLE YEARS, AND ALL THAT I JUST WANTED TO, UH, BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
AND, AND AS A RESIDENT, WE ARE NOT JUST DROPPING THE BALL AND, AND, AND ASKING THE COUNCIL JUST TO COME ON BOARD, EVEN OUR, OUR POLICE DE DEPARTMENT COME UP WITH A, UM, YOU KNOW, RESOLUTION RIGHT AT, AT, AT, AT ONE POINT IS PROBABLY GONNA BE AN ONGOING KIND OF THING THAT WE NEED TO ALL NEED TO WORK ON.
SO CONSIDER ME AS, AS A RESOURCE, UH, IN BEHALF OF MY, UH, UH, RESIDENTS, MY NEIGHBORS, RATHER.
THESE ARE THE KIDS THAT I'M, THAT I'M REALLY ROOTING FOR.
UM, AND YOUNG KIDS, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, FROM 14, 15, 16, 17, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE SENIORS AND ALL THAT, THEY CROSS.
I HAVE FOUR BOYS, BY THE WAY, AND I LIVED THROUGH THAT.
SO MY BOYS ALL ARE GROWN UP, THEY ALL ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THE LATE THEORIES AND ALL THAT.
SO I REALLY CANNOT SPEAK FOR MY BOYS.
I'M JUST, UH, ASKING YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND FOR YOUR DUE DILIGENCE TO DO SOMETHING FOR OUR KIDS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE.
AND I KNOW THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT TO ATTENTION, AND WE CERTAINLY CAN FOLLOW UP WITH OUR, UH, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND, UH, ENGINEERING FOR MORE ANSWERS, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THE LOCAL CONCERN TO CITY COUNCIL.
ANY OTHERS, LINDSAY? ALL RIGHT.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
AGENDA.IS THERE A REQUEST BY COUNSEL TO REMOVE ANY ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE, UH, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
[Ordinance 45-23]
RIGHT.SECOND, READING ON PUBLIC HEARING ORDINANCE 45 DASH 23, ADOPTING THE ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING IS FROM OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE OPERATIONS, JAMIE HOFFMAN.
GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
SO I WILL QUICKLY, UM, GO THROUGH, UM, SOME INCOME TAX ESTIMATES, UH, 2023 OPERATING BUDGET AND GENERAL FUND BALANCE FOR 2023 OPERATING BEFORE WE MOVE TO 2024.
SO, INCOME TAXES FOR THIS YEAR.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE UP COMPARED TO LAST YEAR WITH STRONG WITHHOLDINGS.
UM, WE ARE ON TRACK RIGHT NOW FOR OUR 2024 BUDGETED REVENUE.
UM, MOVING ON, UM, HERE'S A LOOK AT REVENUES BY MONTH FOR THE YEAR.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, REVENUES AGAIN ARE UP ACROSS THE BOARD COMPARED TO PREVIOUS YEARS.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE FLUCTUATION PER MONTH, BUT OVERALL, WE ARE UP.
HERE'S ANOTHER LOOK AT THE, UH, REVENUE FOR THE YEAR.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, WE ARE UP FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT $79 MILLION IN REVENUE FOR THE YEAR IN THE OPERATING REV IN THE OPERATING FUND, UM, MONTH TO MONTH EXPENDITURES.
UM, THEY CONTINUE TO TRACK HIGHER THAN PRIOR YEARS.
UM, THIS IS A RESULT OF HIGHER BUDGET UTILIZATION AND EXECUTION AND SOME INFLATIONARY PRESSURE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE IN 2021 AND 2022, THOSE WERE SPIKES DUE TO LAND PURCHASES MADE WITH THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, AT THE BLACK LINE IS THE CURRENT YEAR.
YOU CAN AGAIN SEE THE 2021 AND 2022, UM, PURCHASES FOR THE LAND, UM, WHICH IS WHY IT LOOKS HIGHER THAN THIS YEAR.
UM, BY MONTH RIGHT NOW, WE ARE CURRENTLY AT $11.3 MILLION VARIANCE FOR OUR ACTUALS.
SO WE ARE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING VERY HEALTHY RIGHT NOW FOR GENERAL FUND BALANCE.
WE ARE CURRENTLY AT A FUND BALANCE OF AROUND $70 MILLION, WHICH IS ABOUT 67.4% OF OUR BUDGETED, UM, REVENUES FOR THE YEAR.
SO WE, WE HAVE A VERY STRONG GENERAL FUND BALANCE AT THIS POINT.
AND THEN FOR THE 2024 OPERATING BUDGET, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE SINCE
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THE FIRST HEARING, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 45, 23.DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JAMIE THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT.
NOTED THAT IT LOOKS LIKE OUR OPERATING REVENUES ARE AROUND WHAT THEY WERE IN 2019 PRE COVID, SO THAT'S GOOD.
[Ordinance 46-23]
ORDINANCE 46 DASH 23 AMENDING VARIOUS SECTIONS OF ORDINANCE 15 DASH 17 COMPENSATION PLAN FOR NON-UNION PERSONNEL.OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING IS FROM OUR DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES, JENNIFER TI.
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ORDINANCE 46 DASH 2023 WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED ON NOVEMBER 13TH AND IS A COMPANION ORDINANCE TO THE OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH YOU JUST APPROVED.
NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THE FIRST READING TWO WEEKS AGO.
SUBJECT TO ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSEL MAY HAVE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS AMENDMENT.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JENNIFER THIS EVENING? HEARING NONE.
[Ordinance 47-23]
ORDINANCE 47 DASH 23 AMENDING SECTION 91.12, FEEDING OF WATERFOWL PROHIBITED OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN.OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING IS FROM MANAGEMENT ANALYST, EMILY GOVER.
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THIS ORDINANCE FROM THE FIRST READING, HOWEVER, I DID WANNA FOLLOW UP WITH A BIT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR YOU.
THE CITY OF DUBLIN POLICE DEPARTMENT TRACKS DEER VEHICLE CRASHES ANNUALLY.
UH, AND BASED ON THE DATA AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME, THERE IS NOT A SAFETY ISSUE PRESENTED BY THE CURRENT POPULATION OF THE HERD.
AND THROUGH THE GO DUBLIN APP, USERS CAN SUBMIT A DEAD ANIMAL PICKUP REQUEST.
PRIOR TO 2022, A DEER CARCASS WAS NOT SPECIFIED AS A REQUEST TYPE, BUT USING THE BEST AVAILABLE INFORMATION, WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT THERE WERE 52 CONFIRMED REQUESTS IN 2021 RELATED TO, UH, DEER.
THIS INFORMATION COMBINED WITH THE CRASH DATA HELPS TO INFORM THE MOVEMENT IN THE AREAS OF DENSITY FOR DUBLIN'S HERD.
AND BASED ON ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AND ALL OF THE RESEARCH DONE ON THIS STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 47 23, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNSEL MAY HAVE.
EMILY, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT? ALL RIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR EMILY? ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE? CHRIS? I, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, UM, YOU CAN, IT SAYS, UH, I THINK I JUST LOST THE, THERE WAS A LINK EMBEDDED IN HERE WHERE YOU CAN FIND OUT THE LOCATIONS OF, UH, DEER PICKUP.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND IT HERE REAL QUICK HERE.
UM, SO THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAD, WHICH WERE 77, I BELIEVE, ON THE SLIDE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE TIME THAT THIS SLIDE WAS TO THE LIFETIME, IT'S AT, IT'S TO 81.
UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE CARCASSES ARE PICKED UP, THEY'RE ALMOST ALL ALONG THOROUGH FARES OR MAJOR ROADWAYS.
AND SO I SUSPECT THAT NEARLY ALL 81 OF THESE, WHICH IS, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN WE'VE HAD IN, IN YEARS PAST, UM, BEING THAT NOVEMBER IS TYPICALLY A BIG MONTH, AND THAT NUMBER IN REAL TIME IS CREEPING UP QUICKLY.
I, I, I APPRECIATE THE NO FEED ORDINANCE, AND I THINK THAT IT IS A, A GREAT STARTING POINT.
UM, BUT I PERSONALLY WITNESSED ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, MAYBE TWO AND A HALF WEEKS AGO, A CAR STRIKE, A DEER ON DUBLIN ROAD.
UM, SO I, I, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT WHAT PHASE TWO AND THREE MIGHT LOOK LIKE FOR THESE CONTROL MEASURES, BECAUSE, UH, PEOPLE ARE GETTING HURT AND THERE IS CERTAINLY A LOST LOT OF, UM, LOST, YOU KNOW, VEHICLE CLAIMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I AM, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE AND SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THESE DEER, WE, WE HAVE, WHAT WAS THE NUMBER ON, UM, HOW MANY WE HAVE POLICE REPORTS ON? SO WE ONLY HAVE SEVEN POLICE REPORTS, AND I DON'T THINK
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THAT THAT NUMBER IS AT ALL INDICATIVE OF HOW MANY CAR DEER INTERACTIONS THERE ARE.UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE 81 DEER DEATHS, ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE ADJACENT TO ROADWAYS.
AND I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THAT PIECE.
SO I AM FULLY SUPPORTIVE THAT THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THIS DEER VEHICLE ACCIDENTS IS TELLING THE STORY.
AND I WANT US TO BE READY TO, TO RESPOND AS THIS CONTINUES TO, TO CLIMB, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN A VERY STEADY CLIMB IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
SO THANKS FOR THE WORK ON THIS.
IT'S, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO START.
AND NOW WE HAVE A, A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS WITH.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD TOO, THAT WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS REGIONALLY, UM, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO, UH, I THINK WAS, UH, ONE OF OUR CONVERSATIONS.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S ON OUR MIND TO BE LOOKING AT AS A REGIONAL PHASE TWO APPROACHES AS YOU WORDED IT.
AND MAYBE AS WE PICK UP THE CARCASSES, SOMETIMES IT CAN BE EVIDENT IF THERE WAS TRAUMA, UM, AND WE COULD NOTE THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF TRAUMA, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT IT CAME IN CONTACT WITH SOMETHING, UM, RATHER THAN USING, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T CALL THE POLICE.
IF YOU KNOW THE DEER, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, DON'T, THEY'RE NOT SURE WHERE THEY GO, OR THEY GO JUST OFF INTO THE WOODS OR WHATEVER.
AND, UM, AND WE DON'T CAPTURE THAT INFORMATION.
SO MAYBE WE COULD HAVE THE FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY PICK UP THOSE TO TAKE A PEEK AND SEE IF THAT THEY, WE THINK THAT IT WAS DR.
AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT TOO.
I KNOW AS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE, THERE'S GONNA BE AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN ABOUT THE FEEDING.
I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO ADD TO THAT EDUCATION CAMPAIGN, PARTICULARLY IN THE MONTH, I THINK OCTOBER, NOVEMBER IS THE HEIGHT OF DEER STRIKES, UM, AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN RELATED TO DEER STRIKE, VEHICULAR DEER STRIKES.
AND MAYBE WE CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO REPORT IT IN THAT, HEY, I DID HIT IT JUST FOR DATA PURPOSES, BUT ALSO AWARENESS THAT OCTOBER IS A VERY BUSY MONTH FOR DEER CROSSING.
AND I THINK WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE CAMPAIGN.
UM, I NOTE ALSO IN THE REPORT JUST THE NUMBER OF DEER PER ACRE OR PER CITY THAT WE, WE SHOULD HAVE, IF YOU WILL, OR WHAT IS A HEALTHY HERD? UM, I, YOU KNOW, I WORRY AS I, WE GO THROUGH THE WINTER THAT AT THOSE LEVELS WE'RE GONNA SEE, WE'RE GONNA SEE STRUGGLES.
SO I'M WONDERING BASE AS A FOLLOW UP TO CHRIS'S POINT, IF WE WOULDN'T WANNA PUT THIS ON A WORK SESSION, SAY IN SPRING AS TO TALKING ABOUT TWO THINGS.
WHAT ARE WE LEARNING ABOUT ACCIDENTS, AND THEN WHAT ARE WE LEARNING ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE HERD? AND, AND BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I'VE WITNESSED THAT AS, AS MANY OF US HAVE RIGHT? OVER THE COURSE OF THE WINTER.
SO JUST CONTINUING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT MAYBE FROM BOTH OF THOSE POINTS AND PUT THAT ON A WORK SESSION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHERS FEEL ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL.
I, I WOULD WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.
AND, AND THEN THE PROBLEM'S GONNA GET WORSE BECAUSE NORMALLY A DOUGH WON'T.
WE'LL HAVE, AFTER THE FIRST THREE YEARS, WE'LL START HAVING MULTIPLE BIRTHS, AND IN TOWARDS THE END OF THEIR LIFE CYCLE, THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE TRIPLE BIRTHS.
AND I, I, IF WE COULD TRACK THE NUMBER OF MULTIPLE BIRTHS THAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR, I THINK THAT NUMBER WOULD BE VERY HIGH.
I, I SAW A LOT MORE FAWNS WITH, WITH TWO DOS, UM, THAN I PROBABLY EVER HAVE.
AND AS THAT HER HERD IS AGING, THEY, THE YOUNG ONES ARE GONNA BE MOVING INTO HAVING MULTIPLE BIRTHS.
SO I, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN EXPONENTIAL INCREASE.
I WOULD ADD MAYBE ONE MORE DATA POINT TO, UM, A POTENTIAL WORK SESSION.
I THINK IT'D BE REALLY INTERESTING TO BRING THIS BACK TO A WORK SESSION IN THE SPRING IS, UM, SOME NUMBERS ON ENFORCEMENT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S QUITE THE RIGHT WORD, BUT FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE SAID, YES, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THIS PROBLEM.
MY NEIGHBOR IS FEEDING THESE DEER.
OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE, YOU KNOW, THE CALLINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THE RESIDENTS ARE REACTING TO, TO THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WELL.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? ALL RIGHT.
UH, JENNY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. KEELER? YES.
[Ordinance 48-23 - Ordinance 51-23]
I MOVE TO WAIVE COUNSEL RULES OF ORDER AND READ ORDINANCES 48 DASH 23 THROUGH 51 DASH 23 TOGETHER.MAY I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND JENNY, PLEASE CALL ROLL MS. AROSE GROOMS. YES.
TEMPORARY RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENT FROM AGNL EXERCISE LLC FROM THE PROPERTY, LOCATED
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AT 3 8 2 5 HARD ROAD IDENTIFIED AS FRANKLIN COUNTY PARCEL NUMBER 2 7 3 0 1 2 1 5 3 0 0 FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING AND IMPROVING ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH SHALL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT CHARGE.ORDINANCE 49 DASH 20 THREES REGARDING TWO PARCELS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF BRIGHT ROAD AND SAWMILL ROAD FROM THE VILLAGE OF AT INVERNESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, CONDOMINIUM ORDINANCE 50 DASH 20 THREES REGARDING THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF BRIGHT ROAD AND SAWMILL ROAD FROM MILLER INVESTMENTS COMPANY IN OHIO, GENERAL PARTNERSHIP AND ORDINANCE 51 23 IS REGARDING PROPERTY LOCATED AT 7 1 3 5 SAWMILL ROAD FROM REALTY INCOME CORPORATION, A DELAWARE CORPORATION.
OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING IS FROM OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY.
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, ORDINANCES 48 23 THROUGH 51 23 OR BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR CONSIDERATION.
THERE ARE NO UPDATES SINCE THE FIRST READINGS, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECTS OR THE ORDINANCES.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NONE.
COUNCIL QUESTIONS FOR TINA THIS EVENING? NONE.
JENNY, PLEASE CALL ROLL VICE MAYOR DEROSA.
[Ordinance 52-23 - Ordinance 56-23]
A MOTION TO WAIVE COUNSEL RULES OF ORDER AND READ ORDINANCES 52 DASH 23 THROUGH 56 DASH 23 TOGETHER.JENNY, PLEASE CALL ROLL ORDINANCE FIFTY TWO TWENTY THREE AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE.
WE HAVE TO, I HAVE TO CALL THE ROLE FIRST.
ORDINANCE 52 23 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AND ACCEPT NECESSARY CONVEYANCE DOCUMENTS AND CONTRACTS TO ACQUIRE CERTAIN PROPERTY INTERESTS FROM SKS BRIGHT ROAD LLC FROM A PARCEL LOCATED AT 4 0 2 5 BRIGHT ROAD, IDENTIFIED AS FRANKLIN COUNTY PARCEL NUMBER 2 7 3 0 0 8 6 0 9 0 0 FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING AN IMPROVING ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH SHALL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT CHARGE.
ORDINANCE 53 23 IS REGARDING A PARCEL LOCATED AT 3 9 8 5 BRIGHT ROAD FROM STEVEN T NEWCOMB ORDINANCE 54 20 THREES REGARDING A PARCEL LOCATED AT 3 8 7 0 0 BRIGHT ROAD FROM S AND K REAL PROPERTY, LLC ORDINANCE 55 20 THREES REGARDING PARCEL ALONG LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF BRIGHT ROAD FROM VILLAGE AT INVERNESS CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION AND ORDINANCE 56 20 THREES REGARDING A PARCEL LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND BRIGHT ROAD FROM BRC TWO LLC AND BISHOP CAMPBELL FREDERICK OF THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE.
ALL RIGHT, TINA, GOOD EVENING.
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ORDINANCES 52 23 THROUGH 56 23 ARE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AND THERE ARE NO UPDATES ON THESE SINCE THE FIRST READINGS EITHER, SO I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECTS OR THESE ORDINANCES.
ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THESE ACQUISITIONS? OKAY, HEARING NONE.
JENNY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MAYOR FOX.
[Ordinance 57-23]
ORDINANCE 57 DASH 23 ESTABLISHING THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CUSTODIAL FUND.OUR STAFF REPORT IS FROM JAMIE HOFFMAN.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES UP TO THE ORDINANCE SINCE THE FIRST HEARING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 57 23.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR JAMIE THIS EVENING? NONE.
[Ordinance 58-23]
58 DASH 23 AUTHORIZING A MODIFICATION OF THE CITY'S INVESTMENT POLICY.OUR STAFF REPORT, ONCE AGAIN, IS FROM JAMIE HOFFMAN.
UM, THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE SINCE THE FIRST HEARING AND STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTION TO 58 23.
COUNSEL QUESTIONS? ANY CON? ALRIGHT.
JENNY, HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL ROLL.
MAYOR FOX, VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES.
[Ordinance 59-23]
59 DASH 23 AMENDING CHAPTER 35 OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCE IS ANOTHER APPLICABLE SECTIONS TO[00:30:01]
REVISE THE SCHEDULE OF FEES AND SERVICE CHARGES FOR CITY OF DUBLIN SERVICES.OUR STAFF REPORT, ONCE AGAIN, IS FROM JAMIE HOFFMAN.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES TO THIS ORDINANCE SINCE THE FIRST HEARING.
WE WILL BE SCHEDULING A WORK SESSION IN EARLY 2024 TO DISCUSS CHANGES FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 59 23.
COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JAMIE THIS EVENING? NO.
JENNY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL VICE MAYOR OSA.
[Ordinance 60-23 - Ordinance 62-23]
INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING ON, UH, ORDINANCE AND I MOVE TO WAIVE COUNSEL RULES OF ORDER AND READ ORDINANCES 60 DASH 23 THROUGH 62 DASH 23 TOGETHER.MAY I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.
ORDINANCE 60 23 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN EASEMENT WITH PROPERTY OWNERS HEATHER PROPERTIES, LLC, ALONG THE INDIAN RUN MEADOWS PLANNED USE DEVELOPMENT CORRIDOR FOR LAND LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE.
ORDINANCE 61 DASH 23 IS REGARDING PROPERTY OWNED BY JASON AND MEGAN MILLER.
ORDINANCE 62 23 IS REGARDING PROPERTY OWNED BY TYLER AND ELIZABETH STAFFORD.
I WANNA DO, SO OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING IS FROM DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, MATT ERMAN.
YOU'LL RECALL THAT THESE, UH, UH, THE EXECUTION OF THESE EASEMENTS, UH, DATES BACK FROM LAST YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO EVEN.
UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND JUST TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.
THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE INDIAN RUN MEADOWS SUBDIVISION AND THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED AS THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT TEXT FOR THAT, UH, SUBDIVISION OVER TIME, OVER THE SE UM, THE ALMOST 40 YEARS, UM, SEVERAL OF THE SCREENING GAPS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THAT SUBDIVISION ALONG THE ROADWAY OF AVERY MUIRFIELD DRIVE, UM, HAVE ENSUED.
UM, AVERY MUIRFIELD DRIVE GREENWAY CORRIDOR PROGRAM WAS INITIATED BY CITY COUNCIL IN 2020, AND THIS CORRIDOR EXTENDS FROM SPRING VALLEY DRIVE TO SCOTTISH CORNERS.
UH, THE EASEMENTS ACQUIRED FOR THE CITY, UM, TO ASSUME THE TREE AND THE SHRUB SCREENING, MAINTENANCE FOR RESPONSIBILITY OVER CALL.
THERE'S A CERTAIN LINEAR FOOTAGE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
THERE ARE CERTAIN NUMBER OF TREES AND SHRUBS, UM, ARE REQUIRED, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, THAT ARE ELECTING NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM.
UH, THEY DO RETAIN THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY, UM, IF THEY DO NOT PARTICIPATE.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF REFERENCE, BACKGROUND REFERENCE ON THE LOCATION YOU CAN SEE IT.
THEY, IT DOES EXTEND FROM, UM, SPRING VALLEY DRIVE UP TO SCOTTISH CORNERS.
UH, THE EASEMENTS THERE, UH, THEY TOTAL NUMBER OF EASEMENTS TO DATE.
UM, WITH THESE THREE ADDED TO THE TOTAL, WE HAVE 25 OUT OF THE TOTAL, 31 ALONG THIS CORRIDOR.
THE SIX REMAINING PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY IN COMPLIANCE.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE, UM, NOT DESIRED TO ENTER INTO THE PROGRAM.
UM, SO ALL OF THE EASEMENTS EXTEND 25 FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK.
DO GIVE US ENOUGH ROOM TO, UH, CREATE THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS AS THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT REQUIRES.
SO WITH THAT, IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO IMPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ORDINANCES 60 DASH 23 THROUGH 62 DASH 23, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MATT, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSEL FOR MATT THIS EVENING? UH, KATHY, MATT, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, AND YOU AND STAFF FOR CONTINUED WORK ON THIS.
UM, I KNOW, UM, HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME EDUCATION, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN HELPFUL.
I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.
UM, THE INVASIVE SPECIES, SPECIFICALLY HONEYSUCKLE, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THAT? WOULD WE ASSUME THAT AS WELL? WE WILL ASSUME THAT, YES.
I KNOW THAT QUESTION HAD BEEN, HAD COME UP A FEW TIMES.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION WITH MATT? JUST, JUST AS A POINT OF CLARITY? WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT IN THE EASEMENT.
HEY MATT, IS THERE ANY, UM, AS WE THIN, THIN OUT THE HONEYSUCKLE AND STUFF, IS THERE ANY, UM, SUGGESTIONS YOU MIGHT GIVE US ON RECREATING THAT SCREEN SO WE CAN HIDE THE BACKS OF THOSE HOUSES? IS THAT COMING UP? YES.
UM, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS CONTINUE TO EVALUATE EACH PROPERTY.
AS WE KNOW, EACH ONE HAS A DIFFERENT CONDITION THAT HONEYSUCKLE DOES PROVIDE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SCREENING, A VERY WELL JOB AT THIS LEVEL OF SCREENING.
SO WE WILL CHOOSE AND SELECT PLANTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TYPE OF SCREENING THAT IT CURRENTLY PROVIDES
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AND TRY TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THAT.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MATT.
OUR SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 11TH, ORDINANCE
[Ordinance 63-23]
63 DASH 23 AMENDING THE ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2023.OUR STAFF REPORT IS JAMIE HOFFMAN.
UM, FOR THE 2024 Q FOUR SUPPLEMENTAL, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF APPROPRIATIONS WHICH ARE DISCUSSED IN THE MEMO.
THERE WILL BE AMENDMENTS TO THIS, THIS ORDINANCE FOR THE SECOND HEARING.
THE DIRECTORS ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JAMIE ON THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE? I, I JUST HAD ONE, UM, FOR CLARIFICATION UNDER, IT SAYS SECTION THREE, THE REQUEST FOR THE 825,000 RELATED TO THE METRO CENTER IMPLEMENTATION.
UM, WAS WONDERING WHAT SPECIFICALLY DID WE NOT PLAN FOR OR DID WE ADD? WHAT IS THAT EXACTLY? THIS FUNDING IS FOR THE SASAKI CONTRACT WHO WILL BE LEADING THE FRAMEWORK DESIGN FOR THE METRO CENTER.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UM, DISCUSSED EARLIER THIS YEAR, BUT IT HAD NOT BEEN BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR.
SO IS IT BUDGETED? DID WE HAVE IT IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT YEAR? WE DID NOT HAVE THAT.
WE DID NOT HAVE THAT BUDGETED, NO.
SO NOT THIS DESIGN, THIS DESIGN EFFORT, IT'S BASICALLY AN ADDED SCOPE FROM WHAT WE CONTEMPLATED IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN 2024.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SQUEEZE IN THIS YEAR.
THE WORK WILL CONTINUE NEXT YEAR, BUT WE'RE GETTING THE CONTRACT MONEY THIS YEAR.
AND THEN AMY, I THINK THIS WAS A RESULT OF THE RETREAT AS YOU RECALL.
SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN POST THE, I THINK THE BUDGET CYCLE.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE SEEING THAT.
I WAS, I I JUST THOUGHT WE HAD INCLUDED THIS IN OUR 2024 BUDGET.
SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY THIS IS ADDITIONAL TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE SCOPED FOR 2024.
I THINK JENNY'S GONNA COME UP AND ANSWER IN OUR IN PLANNING'S OPERATING BUDGET.
THERE ARE FUNDS FOR, UM, PIECES OF THIS PHASE TWO OF THIS PLAN.
SO THIS WOULD BE TO GET UNDERWAY AND GET US GOING, UM, FOR THIS YEAR.
YEAH, YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT FUTURE PHASES.
SO THIS INITIAL CONTRACT WE WANTED TO GET STARTED THIS YEAR, UM, BUT THERE ARE SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDS CORRECT.
TO KEEP THE WORK GOING INTO THE FUTURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
UM, THE SECOND READING ON THIS ALSO WILL OCCUR ON DECEMBER 11TH, ORDINANCE
[Ordinance 64-23]
64 DASH 23 ESTABLISHING APPROPRIATIONS BASED ON THE 2024 OPERATING BUDGET OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN, STATE OF OHIO FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.SO JAMIE, THIS ORDINANCE IS ESTABLISHED AT 2024 APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE OPERATING BUDGET THAT WAS JUST PASSED IN THE 2024 CIP BUDGET.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? THANK YOU LINDSAY COUNSEL QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE? NONE.
SECOND READING IN PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 11TH.
[Ordinance 65-23]
ORTON IS 65 DASH 23 AMENDMENTS TO ZONING CODE SECTIONS 1 5 3 0.0 2 1 5 3 7 0 THROUGH 1 5, 3 0.178.AND APPENDIX G REGARDING THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS AND PROCEDURES.
STAFF REPORT IS FROM OUR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, JENNY ROUSH.
SO THIS IS ORDINANCE, UH, 65 DASH 23, UH, RELATED TO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT CODE, UM, AND GUIDELINES AMENDMENT.
SO I THOUGHT I'D GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW, UM, OF THE HISTORY.
OBVIOUSLY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS AN IMPORTANT FOCUS AREA, UM, AND HAS BEEN, UM, FOR US SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, UM, OVER 20 YEARS.
UM, AND REALLY A KEY COMPONENT TO THIS CONVERSATION AND HOW WE GOT HERE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I WON'T GO OVER THIS IN GREAT DETAIL, BUT WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO 2012, WE HAD THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW DISTRICTS AND THE GUIDELINES, UM, THAT WERE SEPARATE IN 2012.
THEN WHEN WE UPDATED THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GOT ENVELOPED IN THAT.
UM, AND WE HAVE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS, UM, OVER THE YEARS ABOUT HOW THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS INTEGRATED, THE FOCUS OF THAT, UM, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.
AND THEN WE'VE DONE ADDITIONAL STUDIES INCLUDING OUR HISTORIC AND CULTURAL ASSESSMENT IN 2017, UM, AS WELL AS THEN SUBSEQUENT AMENDMENTS TO THE CODE TO CREATE THE HISTORIC SOUTH DISTRICT TO LOOK AT THE SCALE AND MASSING AND INTENSITY
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OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS RELATED TO THE AREAS SOUTH OF BRIDGE STREET.UM, WE THEN HAD OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT TASK FORCE IN 2020, WHICH FOCUSED ON THIS AND HAD SOME GOOD OUTCOMES AND CONVERSATIONS, WHICH HAS BEEN CARRIED FORWARD IN COUNCIL GOALS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS.
FOCUSED ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT LEADING THEN TO OUR MOST RECENT AMENDMENT IN 2021, WHICH WAS RELATED TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT CODE AND THE GUIDELINES TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, CREATING ITS OWN SEPARATE, UM, FREESTANDING DISTRICT AGAIN WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, THAT WAS BASED ON SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INPUT THROUGHOUT THAT, UM, PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE WENT THROUGH THAT AS WELL AS STRESSING REALLY THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVATION FOR HISTORIC RESOURCES, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WANNA ALLOW FOR INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT THAT FITS WITHIN THAT LARGER CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE HAVE OUR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO OUR DESIGNATED BOUNDARIES THAT THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD OVERSEES AND HAS PURVIEW OVER IN ADDITION TO NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT WE AFFECTIONATE CALL PENNIX G PROPERTIES.
SO THOSE THAT ARE LISTED OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT PROPER, BUT THAT HAVE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, UM, HAS PURVIEW OVER.
AND THEN WITHIN THE DISTRICT WE ALSO HAVE, UM, PROPERTIES THAT ARE INDIVIDUALLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
AND THEN WE HAVE A, UM, A DISTRICT WITHIN THE DISTRICT, UM, THAT'S A NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT.
AND THOSE WILL BE IMPORTANT FACTORS, UM, AS I TALK THROUGH WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
SO IN TERMS OF OUR EXISTING CODE, AS I MENTIONED, THIS APPLIES TO ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THOSE ON APPENDIX G.
THE CODE IS REALLY FOCUSED ON THE OBJECTIVE STANDARD.
SO USES SITE DEVELOPMENT, SIGNS, LANDSCAPING, ALL THOSE PARTICULAR DETAILS AND OUTLINES THE REVIEW PROCESS IN TERMS OF THE DEMOLITION CRITERIA, WHICH IS, UM, REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING THROUGH TONIGHT.
AND THEN, UH, THE SECOND READING IN DECEMBER IS REALLY HOW WE'RE APPLYING THE DEMOLITION CRITERIA INTO WHAT PROPERTIES.
SO, UM, IN OUR CURRENT CODE, IT'S, WE USE THE NOMENCLATURE OF CONTRIBUTING NON-CONTRIBUTING, CONTRIBUTING, BEING THAT RESOURCE THAT IS, HAS, UM, HIGH HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND HAS THAT EXTRA BURDEN OF REVIEW WHEN IT COMES TO DEMOLITION, UM, VERSUS NON-CONTRIBUTING, WHICH AGAIN, IS CONTEXTUALLY IMPORTANT BUT DOESN'T HAVE THAT HIGHER LEVEL OF STANDARD, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE MET WHEN DEMOLITION IS CONSIDERED.
IN TERMS OF THE GUIDELINES, AGAIN, APPLIES TO THE SAME PROPERTIES, IS MORE DISCRETIONARY IN NATURE.
SO REALLY LOOKING AT THE CHARACTER AND THE CONTEXT AND HOW WE'RE APPLYING THAT.
UM, REALLY FOCUSING ITS GOALS ON REHAB AND PRESERVATION FOR ORIGINAL AND HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
AND THEN MORE TOWARDS COMPATIBILITY AND APPROPRIATENESS FOR NEW BUILDINGS AND ADDITIONS.
SO THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, WERE REALLY BORN OUT OF A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH COUNCIL OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO TO UNDERSTAND AND EVALUATE THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE PROPERTIES, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND HOW THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINES APPLIES TO THAT RELATED TO DEMOLITION.
THIS HAS THEN SPARKED SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UM, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND HOW THAT LARGER DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS APPLIES.
UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS A PHASE TWO TO THIS CONVERSATION.
WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH ARB, UM, ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND.
BUT AGAIN, WE WANTED TO PROCEED WITH THIS DEMOLITION CONVERSATION SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT OVER THE LAST, UM, YEAR OR TWO.
SO THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS INCLUDE, UM, REVISED CODE LANGUAGE THAT FOCUS ON REVISING THAT, CONTRIBUTING NON-CONTRIBUTING TO WHAT WE'RE CALLING LANDMARK AND BACKGROUND.
SO WE'RE, UM, THERE SEEMED TO BE A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW THAT NOMENCLATURE CAME TO BE AND THAT REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE RESOURCES THEMSELVES AND THE MERITS OF THOSE.
UM, SO THIS DOES RESULT IN HOW WE'VE ANALYZED THIS AND I'LL HAVE SOME METHODOLOGY OF HOW WE GOT TO WHAT'S LANDMARK VERSUS WHAT'S BACKGROUND.
UM, BUT THAT THERE ARE A REDUCED NUMBER OF LANDMARK BUILDINGS.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WE REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON WHAT OUR TRUE HISTORIC ASSETS WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT WE WANNA FOCUS ON.
AGAIN, PARTICULARLY AS THAT RELATES TO DEMOLITION.
SO THIS REQUIRES US MODIFYING THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINES, UM, AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION TO THAT.
SO BEFORE YOU, TONIGHT I'M INTRODUCING THE ORDINANCE FOR THE CODE IN DECEMBER, YOU'LL SEE HAVE THE SECOND READING OF THE CODE AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE GUIDELINES.
UM, BUT I INCLUDED THE GUIDELINES FOR YOUR REFERENCE 'CAUSE THEY ALL GOTTA FIT TOGETHER.
UM, AND THEN AS PART OF ARBS REVIEW, THEY HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT SITE RESTORATION.
SO WE'VE INCLUDED LANGUAGE FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE IDENTIFIED BUILDING STRUCTURES AND PROPERTIES AS RESOURCES SO THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ENCOMPASSING OF THESE, UM, PARTICULAR FEATURES THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE.
UM, AND THEN AS I MENTIONED PHASE TWO WE'VE HAD SOME PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW WE CAN LOOK AT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS AND IS THERE GREATER OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE TO BE AP APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL SO THAT WE CAN HELP CONTINUE TO EXPEDITE THE REVIEW PROCESS
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FOR MINOR, UM, CHANGES.SO THAT'LL, THAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU AS WELL.
UM, ONCE IT GETS THROUGH ARB AND PLANNING COMMISSION, ANY MINOR TECHNICAL ERRORS WILL BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THAT AMENDMENT.
AND THEN LOOKING AT OUTBUILDINGS AND OTHER OBJECTS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT TO THE DISTRICT AND HOW WE WANT, UM, TO DO THAT AS WELL AS THEN HOW IS THE LARGER CODE AND THE GUIDELINES APPLIED.
SO, BUT TONIGHT, AGAIN, IT'S REALLY JUST THOSE, UM, CHANGES OUTLINED ON THE UPPER PART OF THE SCREEN.
UM, AND THEN I WANTED TO SHARE THEN, AND THIS IS WHAT WE SHARED WITH COUNCIL BACK IN MAY OF THIS YEAR, UM, WHICH LOOKS AT HOW WE CAME TO WHAT OUR LANDMARK VERSUS BACKGROUND BUILDING.
SO ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE GREEN, ORANGE AND DARK BLUE ARE CONSIDERED LANDMARK GRAY BUILDINGS ARE BACKGROUND BUILDINGS.
SO WE USED THE RED BOUNDARY AREA, WHICH IS THAT LOCAL HISTORIC NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT AS OUR BASELINE.
WE THEN ADDED OUR INDIVIDUALLY LISTED PROPERTIES AND LOOKED AT THE TIMEFRAME FROM BOTH OF THOSE PERIODS, UM, AND LANDED ON 1830 TO 1820 TO 1930.
UM, AND THEN IF THERE WERE OTHER PROPERTIES WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT FELL WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME, WHICH ARE OUTLINED IN YOUR MEMO, AS WELL AS IN ANY OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE FELT LIKE HAD CONTEXTUAL SIGNIFICANCE THAT ROSE TO THE LEVEL THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE THAT TIME PERIOD, BUT THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSIDERED LANDMARK AND GIVEN EXTRA SCRUTINY.
THOSE ARE ALL INCLUDED IN THOSE SORT OF THREE VARIETY OF COLORS, UM, AND WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT GREATER BURDEN OF REVIEW FOR DEMOLITION.
AND THEN THE GRAY PROPERTIES, UM, WOULD BE CONSIDERED BACKGROUND BUILDING STILL REQUIRE ARB APPROVAL, STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A DEMOLITION PROCESS, BUT THE BURDEN OF REVIEW AND THE NUMBER OF CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE MET ARE, ARE DIFFERENT.
SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AT COUNCIL WORK SESSION AND RETREAT, UM, BACK TO 2022.
WE'VE HAD SOME NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, UM, IN MAY OF THIS YEAR.
AND THEN WE HAD SOME SUBSEQUENT INFORMATIONAL SESSIONS IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER, ULTIMATELY RESULTING IN ARB REVIEWING THIS IN SEPTEMBER, PLANNING COMMISSION IN NOVEMBER.
AND THEN WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU, UM, THIS EVENING.
SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, AS PART OF THAT REVIEW, ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD HAD SOME MODIFICATIONS ABOUT SITE RESTORATION.
SO WE'VE ADDED LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT.
UM, WE'VE ALSO MADE SURE THAT APPENDIX G UM, INCLUDES ALL THE LAND, THAT ALL THOSE ARE LANDMARK BUILDINGS AND THAT WE MADE SURE THAT WE HAD THE CABIN FOR THE, UM, THE DAC THAT THAT GOT INCORPORATED AND THEN ANY OTHER MINOR CLERICAL THINGS.
SO PRETTY MINOR CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE REVIEW BY ARB AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, SO WITH THAT, THEY ALL, BOTH BODIES RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, UM, OF VISTA COUNCIL.
SO I AM HERE BEFORE YOU TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS FIRST READING WITH THEN OUR RECOMMENDATION, UM, FOR APPROVAL AT THE SECOND READING IN DECEMBER.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE THE RESOLUTION FOR THE GUIDELINES AT THAT TIME AS WELL.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, DISCUSSION CONCERNING THIS QUESTIONS.
I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO STAFF AND ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR COMMISSION AND BOARD MEMBERS.
A LOT OF WORK HAS GONE INTO THIS AND I'M GLAD WE'RE FINALLY, UH, MOVING IT ALONG.
I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD CLARIFICATION.
I, I KNOW THROUGH RETREATS AND A BUNCH OF DISCUSSION, THE CREATION OF THAT, THE, UH, MAP, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MAP AND BEING INCREDIBLY CLEAR AS TO WHAT PROPERTIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT TIMEFRAMES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, NOT ONLY DO I THINK THAT IT HELPS US NOW, I THINK, UH, A GENERATION FROM NOW, IT WILL BE INCREDIBLY HEALTHY.
SO THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND SOME REALLY GREAT WORK THAT I THINK ARE, IS DOCUMENTED, UM, FOR LAY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HISTORIANS TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT.
SO, UM, I THANK YOU FOR THAT WORK IN, IN GLAD AT THIS POINT.
I, I FORGOT I DID HAVE ONE OTHER THING THAT WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK INTO.
WE USE WHEN WE'RE DESCRIBING THAT MAP, WE USE A DATE, WE SAY THE 2023 MAP, AND I'M WONDERING IF WE OMIT THAT DATE JUST SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE AN ORDINANCE IN THE FUTURE.
IF WE FIND ONE OTHER BUILDING WE WANNA CHANGE A DIFFERENT COLOR TO.
UM, 'CAUSE IF WE DO THAT, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE THE YEAR ON THAT MAP.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND DO ALL THIS.
SO I WOULD JUST REMOVE THE DATE FROM THAT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN PUT THE DATE DOWN IN THE CORNER, WHATEVER, BUT IN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, DON'T CALL IT BY THE 2023 HISTORIC DISTRICT MAP.
JENNY, I HAVE A A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
AND, AND PART OF THIS IS THE CLARIFICATION FOR, UM, UM, DEMOLITION FOR BACKGROUND BUILDINGS.
UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UM, I KNOW IN SPEAKING WITH MANY OF THE
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RESIDENTS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS, UM, THIS NEW VIEWPOINT, THIS PERSPECTIVE OF GIVING, UM, STRONG CONSIDERATION TO THOSE PERIODS OF HOMES THAT ARE WITHIN A HUNDRED TO 110 YEARS.UM, BUT THE ONE THING THAT I, THAT I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION OF IS, UM, THE DEFINITION OF BACKGROUND BUILDING.
AND COULD YOU READ THE DEFINITION OF BACKGROUND BUILDING OR RESOURCES? YES, SORRY.
SO WE ARE DEFINING, UM, THE BACKGROUND AS THE STATUS ASSIGNED TO BUILDINGS IN OTHER CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT DO NOT ADD TO THE HISTORIC ARCH ARCHITECTURAL QUALITIES, HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS OR ARCH ARCHEOLOGICAL VALUES FOR WHICH A PROPERTY IS SIGNIFICANT.
AN ASSIGNMENT OF BACKGROUND STATUS TO A RESOURCE MAY BE BECAUSE THE BUILDING OR RESOURCE LACKS, LACKS HISTORIC INTEGRITY, OR THE RESOURCE DOES NOT INDIVIDUALLY MEET THE NATIONAL REGISTER CRITERIA.
AND THEN, UM, THERE ARE IS ONLY ONE CRITERIA THAT MUST BE MET IN ORDER FOR DEMOLITION.
AND THE, UM, THERE ARE THREE CRITERIA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE.
IT SAYS 42, I GUESS THREE CRITERIA LISTED.
ONE IS CREDIBLE EVIDENCE OF ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, AND THE SECOND ONE IS THE RESOURCE CONTAINS NO FEATURES OF ARCHITECTURAL, HISTORIC OR ARCHEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO THE CHARACTER, THE AREA IN WHICH IS THE LOCATED, WHICH IS THE DEFINITION.
SO THE DEFINITION, SO ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS ALREADY MET BY THE DEFINITION.
SO MY QUESTION THEN IS, IS IT POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE JUST, WE JUST CHANGED THE NAME TO BACKGROUND FROM NON-CONTRIBUTING, WHICH WAS LIFTED OUT OF THE HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL ASSESSMENT.
NON-CONTRIBUTING MEANS IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY HISTORICAL CHARACTER.
AND ORIGINALLY THERE WERE ONLY MAYBE A HANDFUL OF NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M GUESSING FIVE SEVEN MAYBE.
NOW WE HAVE ALL OF THESE ONES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY CALLED CONTRIBUTING, TURNED INTO A DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF LESSER VALUE HISTORICAL VALUE.
BUT WERE AT LEAST IN THE CULTURAL ASSESSMENT, WHICH WAS A DOCUMENT ACCEPTED BY THE COUNCIL THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE DEFINITION OF BACKGROUND CAN ACTUALLY BE INTERCHANGED WITH NON-CONTRIBUTING.
IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE USED, VIEWED AS A LESSER PRESERVATION VALUE.
BUT IS IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHAT IT WAS IN THE HISTORICAL ASSESSMENT, WHICH IS NO VALUE AT ALL? SO MY REQUEST WOULD SIMPLY BE THE ONLY CHANGE IS TO MAKE THE DEFINITION OF BACKGROUND ONE THAT GIVES IT VALUE SO THAT THE ARB CAN LOOK AT IT, IT, AND NOT AUTOMATICALLY GIVE IT A DEMOLITION BECAUSE IT MATCHES NUMBER TWO IN THE, UM, CRITERIA.
I DON'T KNOW, JENNY, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE, IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 55 OF THE RED LINE, THEY JUST SWAPPED THE WORD NON-CONTRIBUTING.
THE DEFINITION HAS NOT CHANGED.
THE DEFINITION DIDN'T CHANGE BECAUSE IN THE CULTURAL AND HISTORIC ASSESSMENT, NON-CONTRIBUTING MEANS THAT IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO HISTORICAL VALUE.
SO IN FAIRNESS TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE OVER THE LAST, HOW MANY YEARS BEEN REGULATED AS CONTRIBUTING, SO BASICALLY WE TOOK CONTRIBUTING AND MADE THEM NON-CONTRIBUTING WITHOUT EVIDENCE OF IT, BUT WE ARE REDUCING THE VALUE OF PRESERVATION TO A LESSER VALUE.
SO I KIND OF, I BELIEVE THAT THE DEFINITION SHOULD FALL SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.
THERE IS VALUE TO THE PROPERTIES ON RIVERVIEW STREET.
THERE'S VALUE TO THE PROPERTIES ON FRANKLIN STREET, NOT THE SAME VALUE AS A LANDMARK BUILDING.
SO THE DEFINITION SHOULD NOT BE JUST A SWAP OUT BECAUSE, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY HAS VALUE CONTEXTUALLY HISTORICALLY IN A WAY THAT IT CREATED A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT ISN'T TOTALLY NON-CONTRIBUTING.
BECAUSE IF, IF, IF I WERE TO BUY
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A PROPERTY IN ON RIVERVIEW STREET, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M A BACKGROUND BUILDING CONSIDERED NON-CONTRIBUTING, I WOULD MEET, UH, CRITERIA NUMBER TWO WITHOUT EVEN AN EFFORT BECAUSE YOU DEFINED IT THAT WAY.BUT IF YOU HAD DEFINED IT BROADLY AND SAY BACKGROUND RESOURCES HAVE VALUE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, CONTEXTUALLY OR WHATEVER THEY STILL HAS TO MEET, ONE CRITERIA WOULDN'T BE THAT DIFFICULT NECESSARILY.
BUT AT LEAST THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN REGULATED FOR YEARS AS CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR HOMES THAT THEY'VE INVESTED IN STILL HAVE VALUE, STILL HAVE SOME HISTORICAL CONTEXT, BUT WILL BE REVIEWED DIFFERENTLY NOW PROBABLY AFTER THE WORK SESSION IN A DIFFERENT, IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.
UM, SO MY REQUEST IS SIMPLY TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF A BACKGROUND RESOURCE TO SOMETHING BROADER THAT WE CAN LOOK AT FOR THIS SECOND READING.
I MEAN, I CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
WE AS UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CRAM SAID, WE INTERCHANGED THE BACK NON-CONTRIBUTING TO BACKGROUND BUILDING.
UM, THERE ARE SOME SIMILARITIES TO THAT.
SO AGAIN, IF THAT'S, IF COUNSEL WANTS THAT REQUEST, I I CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT BEING MADE MORE CONTEXTUAL AND MORE ABOUT THE CHARACTER.
UM, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
IT'S GONE THROUGH MANY, MANY EYES AND MANY, MANY PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND AGREED TO IT AND HAVE RECOMMENDED IT TO US AS IS.
SO FOR ME IT'S WHAT ARE WE ACHIEVING THE DISSOLVE? ARE WE ACHIEVING THE RESULT THAT WE SET OUT FOR? AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE WAY THAT THE INTENT ACHIEVES THE RESULT WE WERE STRIVING FOR WHAT THE MAYOR BRINGS UP IS REALLY MORE OF A MATTER OF SEMANTICS, I THINK, AND SOFTENING A MESSAGE, UM, THAT I SAID IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, AS A RESIDENT, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY EXPECT A QUID PRO QUO.
WE EXPECT YOU TO JUMP THROUGH THESE SPECIFIC HOOPS AND IN RETURN YOU'RE GONNA GET SOMETHING, YOU'RE GONNA GET A GREAT BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT SELLS ITSELF.
UM, BUT THERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD TO SUCCUMB TO THE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS THAT ARB AND WE HAVE HERE AT THE CITY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, TO TO NOW SAY THAT THOSE PROPERTIES THAT FOR 30 YEARS HAVE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, DOT THOSE I'S AND CROSS THOSE T'S.
NOW THEY'RE NO LONGER SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO DO THAT.
I THINK IN THE END, MOST OF THOSE OWNERS ARE GETTING A RESULT THAT THEY, THEY MAYBE WANT ALL THE, ALL ALONG THE FLEXIBILITY TO DEMOLISH THEIR HOME OR THE PERSON THEY'RE SELLING IT TO, UH, THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO OR NOT.
UM, SO FOR ME IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF MAYBE PERHAPS IF THERE'S, UM, ENOUGH OF US THAT ARE INTERESTED IN MAYBE REWORDING IT OR, OR WORDSMITHING IT A BIT, BUT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN ACHIEVES THE RESULT I THINK THAT WE WERE ALL SET OUT SETTING OUT FOR.
YEAH, I I WOULD TEND TO AGREE.
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH GOING THROUGH THIS FOR A WHILE NOW.
UM, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN THROUGH THE VERBIAGE MEET GRINDER QUITE A FEW TIMES.
UM, I, I'M REALLY OKAY WITH SWAPPING OUT THE LANGUAGE.
I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK IT IMPLIES THAT IT'S OF A LESSER VALUE.
UM, SO WHILE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT YOU'RE WRONG.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT STAFF HAS PULLED TOGETHER HERE, AND IT IT HAS BEEN THROUGH ROUND AFTER ROUND OF EXAMINATION AND I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE.
SO, UM, I I JUST DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE ISSUE ANY MORE THAN IT ALREADY HAS BEEN.
WHEN I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN IT, YOU KNOW, I, THE ONLY MY RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE SIMPLY, IT'S NOT CHANGING THE ORDINANCE AT ALL.
BUT IF THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL ASSESSMENT ORIGINALLY STATED THAT THESE PROPERTIES WERE CONTRIBUTING AND NOW WE SIMPLY SWITCH OUT WORDS AND CALL THEM NON-CONTRIBUTING, WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE TO THAT? IT MAKES PEOPLE FEEL AS IF THEY'VE FOLLOWED REGULATIONS AS THEY HAVE BEEN ASKED TO DO BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTIES WERE CONTRIBUTING AND NOW WE'RE SAYING YOU ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO THAT.
SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS SIMPLY DEFINING THE WORD, THE BENCHMARK RESOURCE AS A DIFFERENT CATEGORY, NOT NON-CONTRIBUTING AND NOT CONTRIBUTING, BUT A VALUABLE ENTITY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT JUSTIFIES CONTINUED ARB REVIEW.
WHICH BY THE WAY, THE PEOPLE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DO WANT
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ARB REVIEW.THEY WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE LENIENCY IF YOU REDUCE THEIR CATEGORY TO A LITTLE LESSER LEVEL, BUT TO TAKE THEM WITHOUT EVIDENCE AND SIMPLY SAY YOU'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING ANYMORE, FEELS LIKE A YO-YO, A LITTLE BIT LIKE YESTERDAY I WAS CONTRIBUTING AND TODAY I'M NOT CONTRIBUTING.
I MEAN, WHAT AM I REALLY? SO IT'S A SIMPLE, AND I, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO EVEN DRAFT SOMETHING FOR THE SECOND READING TO BE REVIEWED THAT SIMPLY WAS, UH, A MESSAGE THAT SAYS YOU'VE, UH, THESE PROPERTIES HAVE VALUE TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, CERTAINLY NOT TO THE LEVEL OF LANDMARK, BUT THEY'RE SIMPLY NOT A NON-CONTRIBUTING.
YOU STILL HAVE NOTHING IN THIS ORDINANCE WOULD CHANGE AT ALL.
NOTHING AT ALL, EXCEPT THAT DEFINITION.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY IT READS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE CHANGE TERMS ALL THE TIME IN PLANNING DOCUMENTS AND IN CODE DOCUMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, THE BEAUTY WOULD BE IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER OF DOES THIS MEAN SOMETHING OR DOES IT, DOES IT NOT MEAN SOMETHING? I I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO EVERYONE'S POINT THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF REVIEW OVER THIS.
WE HAVE PRESENTED THIS TO THE RESIDENTS ON VIRTUAL ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS A NUMBER OF TIMES.
AND I, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE ARE AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS PART OF CODE UPDATES.
AND, AND IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN'T CHANGE CODE DEFINITIONS BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT SIGNIFICANT.
AND, UM, THE, THE VALUE OF THE REAL ESTATE WILL, WILL BE THE DETERMINER OF THAT.
I I JUST WOULD HESITATE TO READ, START REWRITING EVERYTHING AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, I, I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN KEELER.
I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY THAT THEY HAVE SOME, SOME LATITUDE MORE THAN NOT.
AND I, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD A FAIR BIT.
SO, UM, I, I HEAR THAT, BUT I, I DON'T REALLY WANT, BECAUSE THEN I COULD SEE WHAT HAPPENS AS WE COME BACK AND WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT LANGUAGE AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT LANGUAGE, I THINK BY THE LIST.
WE'VE, WE'VE DONE OUR HOMEWORK AND I, AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE SEEN IT.
SO I SAY WE, WE JUST MOVE AHEAD.
THAT'S, AND, AND I THINK AS PART OF THAT SUBSEQUENT PHASE DISCUSSION, AGAIN, I A B'S INTENT AS PART OF THEIR DISCUSSION WAS NOT TO DIMINISH THE REVIEW, OR THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE REVIEWING THIS TO THE FULLEST EXTENT.
AGAIN, HOW WE'RE APPLYING THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINES TO PEOPLE THAT ARE MODIFYING THEIR BUILDING OR BUILDING A NEW BUILDING.
I MEAN, THAT WAS A BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.
SO AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE GONNA TACKLE THAT MAY AGAIN TO MAYBE MAYOR, TO EXCLUDE YOUR CONCERNS.
WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT AS PART OF THIS PHASE TWO CONVERSATION.
I THINK THAT'S THE, I THINK IN A WAY THAT THE CRUX OF THIS IS, IS THAT WE HAVE GONE TO DEMOLITION BEFORE WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE WORK SESSION WHEN IT COMES TO TALKING ABOUT WHAT DOES BACKGROUND MEAN, IF IT MEANS TOTALLY NON-CONTRIBUTING, I KNOW THAT THERE IS AN INTEREST, OBVIOUSLY, THAT THE ARB PROTECTS THE DISTRICT IN MANY WAYS BECAUSE OF ITS CHARACTER AND ITS GENERAL, UM, CHARACTERISTICS.
BUT IF, IF THE PROPERTIES ON RIVERVIEW STREET AND FRANKLIN STREET MUST ABIDE BY THOSE, THEY WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GONNA CHANGE THE REVIEW, UH, LENIENCY IT WILL MAKE, WILL HOPEFULLY MAKE IT EASIER BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE SUCH SCRUTINY FOR THAT.
AND I THINK THAT IS WHY I WAS LOOKING FOR A DEFINITION THAT ALLOWS THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T, WELL, I HOPE WE GET THERE.
THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THERE.
UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN WHAT THEY CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY.
AND I FELT THAT IN TALKING TO THEM, THERE IS A SENSE THAT WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT WE ARE NOW.
WHAT ARE WE, ARE WE VALUABLE? ARE WE NOT VALUABLE? JANE? I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WE STARTED ON THIS BECAUSE THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A PERCEPTION THAT THERE WAS THIS INTENSE CONFUSION MM-HMM.
AND SO WE'VE UNDERTAKEN THESE MANY PUBLIC MEETINGS, AND THESE ARE THE WORDS THAT WE USED IN ALL OF THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS TO TRY TO PROVIDE CLARITY WITH WHERE THERE WAS THIS PERCEPTION OF NOT CLARITY.
AND TO NOW START CHANGING THOSE AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO ADD TO THE CONFUSION THAT WE SET OUT TO, TO ELIMINATE.
SO I, I THINK, I THINK THAT IT'S, UNLESS WE WANNA GO THROUGH THAT ENTIRE EXERCISE AGAIN IN, IN CLEARING UP CONFUSION, WE, WE STAY WITH THE WORDS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED CONSISTENTLY ALONG THIS PATH.
THE, UM, THE, THE ONLY POINT THAT I MAKE HERE IS THAT I DO KNOW THAT, UM, THAT ONE, THIS ORDINANCE IS FAVORED BY MOST OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT RESIDENTS THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO.
SO I AM NOT AGAINST THE ORDINANCE.
I BELIEVE THAT IT DOES DO A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE INTENDING TO DO AND MEETS THE OBJECTIVE.
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KNOW THAT THERE IS AN INTEREST THAT THE ARB CONTINUE TO PROTECT THE WHOLE DISTRICT THREE, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT INVESTED IN THEIR PROPERTY FEEL THAT THEIR PROPERTIES HAVE VALUE AND THAT IT'S RECOGNIZED TO BE SUCH, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY CONTRIBUTING.AND FOUR, THAT WHEN WE DO THE WORK SESSION, THAT I HOPE THAT WE WILL GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS NEW DESIGNATION WILL CREATE MORE OF A LENIENCY IN THEIR ABILITY TO ENHANCE AND TO IMPROVE THEIR HOMES.
SO, UM, I CAN LET GO OF THE DEFINITION AS LONG AS WE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND THE DISCUSSION HERE AND, UM, THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE THAT I, I PROMISED I WOULD BRING FORWARD.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE THIS EVENING? NOPE.
I'VE GOTTA GET DOWN TO THE RIGHT ONE.
[Ordinance 66-23]
READING AND PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 11TH.ORDINANCE 66 DASH 23 AMENDING ZONING CODE SECTION 1 5 3 0.074 REGARDING ACCESSORY USES AND STRUCTURES TO ADDRESS LANGUAGE REGARDING RENEWABLE ENERGY EQUIPMENT FOR SOLAR.
OUR STAFF REPORT IS FROM SENIOR PLANNER, TAMMY NOBLE.
TONIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT, UH, SOLAR REGULATIONS THAT WE RECENTLY ADOPTED, UM, IN MID 2023.
UM, BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS OF PERMANENT ACTIVITY, WE WANTED TO DISCUSS HOW WE'VE PROGRESSED AND SOME POTENTIAL UPDATES THAT WE'D LIKE TO SUGGEST TO COUNCIL.
AS A BRIEF SUMMARY, UH, AGAIN, WE JUST RECENTLY ADOPTED REGULATIONS SPECIFIC TO SOLAR.
UM, THEY WERE ADOPTED IN JUNE OF 2023, AND WERE EFFECTIVE IN JULY OF 2023.
UM, JUST AS PERS UH, PERSPECTIVE OF THE NUMBER OF PERMITS THAT OUR DIVISION AND THE BUILDING DIVISION HAS REVIEWED FOR SOLAR SINCE THE ADOPTION IN JULY OF, OF 2023, WE'VE REVIEWED 25 PERMITS.
PRIOR TO THAT, WE HAD REVIEWED 75 PERMITS, AND THAT WAS THE TOTALITY OF SOLAR, UH, PERMITS SINCE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 2011.
SO WE HAVE HAD A SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE IN PERMIT ACTIVITY, AND AGAIN, IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO TALK TO CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT.
UM, PREVIOUS TO OUR CURRENT, UH, CODE, WE WERE REGULATING SOLAR ENERGY AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SIMILAR TO OTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UM, JUST AS A, UH, STOP GAP, IF YOU WILL, UNTIL WE COULD GET SOLAR ENERGY, UM, REGULATED.
UM, UNDER THOSE REQUIREMENTS, WE WERE SPECIFICALLY ONLY REGULATING LOCATION OF SOLAR PANELS, AND THAT WOULD BE TO THE SIDE IN THE REAR OF STRUCTURES.
UM, UNDER OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS, WE INCLUDED AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS BASED ON A, A HOST OF, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESSES.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE'D LIKE TO HAVE TONIGHT.
THE TWO PROVISIONS THAT WE'RE SPECIFICALLY WANTING TO FOCUS ON ARE TWO THAT ARE BOTH RELATED TO PITCH ROOFS, AND THEY'RE BOTH RELATED TO ROOF MOUNTED EQUIPMENT.
UM, ONE IS TO REGULATE THE SHAPE, UM, THAT PANELS ARE INS INSTALLED.
AND THE SECOND IS THE COLOR OF WHICH THE PANELS WOULD RELATE TO, UH, THE ROOF MATERIALS.
BOTH OF THESE ARE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAD ADOPTED AS PART OF OUR PUBLIC INPUT, UH, PROCESS, AND WE'RE FINDING THAT, THAT IT'S BEEN SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC TO, UM, THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
THERE ARE OTHER AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO REGULATE FOR ALL TYPES OF, UM, ROOF-MOUNTED EQUIPMENT THAT INCLUDES, UM, CONCEALING ANY TYPE OF WIRES, CONDUITS, UM, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND THAT, UM, THE PANELS BEING WORKING CONDITION, UM, IF NOT REMOVED, UM, AS PART OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.
SO JUST TO REITERATE, WE WANTED TO, UM, GIVE A LOT OF NCE TO THIS PROCESS.
THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN LENGTHY.
UH, CITY COUNCILS REVIEWED THIS AS FAR BACK AS 2021.
UH, WE DID EXTENSIVE RE OR, UH, REVIEW PROCESSES WITH INSTALLERS, ENERGY PROVIDERS, UM, OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS, AND IT WAS A VERY LENGTHY
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CONVERSATION.SO WE WANNA COMPLIMENT HOW WE'VE EVEN ARRIVED TO THE CURRENT REGULATIONS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS IS HOW THIS CODE WENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OPPOSED TO CITY COUNCIL.
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THIS INFORMATION TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THERE WERE TWO PROVISIONS IN THIS CODE REGULATIONS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN AS A CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED.
ONE WAS REGARDING, UM, GROUND MOUNTED EQUIPMENT.
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THIS TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THAT WAS REGULATED IN BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UM, WHICH WAS LATER CHANGED TO ONLY, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THE SECOND IS THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WAS REQUIRED BETWEEN THE ROOF AND THE PANELS.
WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THAT 18 INCHES, AND THAT WAS REDUCED TO SIX.
UM, AGAIN, FOR BACKGROUND INFORMATION, THIS ORIGINALLY WAS PROPOSED TO CITY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER, ALMOST A YEAR AGO, LATER THAN A YEAR AGO, UH, NOVEMBER OF 2022.
UM, AND AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, CITY COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION FOR US TO PROVIDE BACK TO, UM, COUNCIL TO ADOPT LANGUAGE.
IN RESPONSE TO THOSE QUESTIONS, WE DID EXTENSIVE SURVEYS, WHICH WE, UH, WORKED WITH OUR CPI GROUP ON.
UM, WE HAD A REALLY WELL, UH, RESPONDED, UH, SURVEY THAT WE HAD SENT OUT.
WE CONDUCTED PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WE CONDUCTED SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH CITY COUNCIL IN, UH, WORK SESSION, UH, SETTINGS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE FOR SOLAR ENERGY.
MUCH OF THAT CONVERSATION WAS FOCUSED ON RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS, AND MUCH OF IT WAS FOCUSED ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO THE FRONT FACADES OF PROPERTIES.
UM, IN TERMS OF HOW THAT PROGRESSED, WE DID DO A SECOND READING IN JUNE.
CITY COUNCIL WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WANTED TO ENCOURAGE, UH, SOLAR ENERGY, AND WE ADOPTED, UH, SOLAR REGULATIONS TO ALL FACADES OF THE BUILDING.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO THIS DISCUSSION WITH THESE AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS.
SO SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE REGULATIONS, WE'VE CONTINUED TO MONITOR, UH, HOW MANY PERMITS WE'VE, WE'VE RECEIVED, HOW MANY, UH, PERMITS WE'VE APPROVED.
IN TOTALITY, WE'VE RECEIVED 25 PERMITS, AND THAT'S WITHIN A COUPLE MONTHS.
SO THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PERMITS.
WE'VE APPROVED NINE, UM, TO DATE.
AND THIS PARTICULAR RATE WAS A LITTLE, UH, IT WAS SLIGHTLY SKEWED TOWARDS THE DISAPPROVAL RATE A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED, AND AGAIN, IS PROMPTING THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT.
UM, IN TERMS OF HOW WE WANTED TO WALK THROUGH, HOW WE ARE EVALUATING, UH, SOLAR ENERGY, WE HAD PROPOSED TO TAKE, UH, HOW WE'RE REGULATING, UH, SOLAR ENERGY TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WHICH OF, OF COURSE IS THE FIRST REVIEWING BODY BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE TWO REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT TONIGHT AND HOW WE'RE PERCEIVING IT IN TO GET INPUT FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
UM, BUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS VERY CLEAR IN THE SENSE THAT THEY HAD, UM, INTENDED OR THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD DIFFERENTIATE THE, UH, FRONT FACADE IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THAN WE WOULD THE SIDE IN THE REAR.
SO, AGAIN, PROMPTING OUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT.
SO THE, TO DISSECT THE TWO REGULATIONS, THE FIRST REGULATION THAT WE HAD PUT IN PLACE WAS SOMETHING IT, WE'LL CALL A CONFIGURATION REQUIREMENT.
BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, IF YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS GET A CONSISTENT SHAPE FOR THESE PANEL INSTALLATIONS SO THEY DIDN'T LOOK SO, UM, DIS UH, DISORIENTED, I GUESS, OR, UM, IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO PREVENT, THAT IT WAS SOMETHING, AGAIN, DIS DISORGANIZED OR SOMEWHAT DISCOMBOBULATED.
WE WANTED SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE, UM, CONSISTENT.
UM, AND SO WE HAD ORIGINATED THE, UM, SECTION TO SAY FOR PITCHED ROOFS, SPECIFICALLY PITCHED ROOFS, ROOF MOUNTED EQUIPMENT SHALL BE INSTALLED IN A RECTANGULAR SHAPE TO AVOID NON-SYMMETRICAL CONFIGURATIONS.
AND AGAIN, THE LEFT WOULD BE WHAT WE ENVISIONED FOR THAT REGULATION.
WHAT WE SOON FOUND OUT AS SOON AS WE STARTED REVIEWING, UM, THESE PERMITS WAS THERE ARE,
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UH, ROOF MECHANICALS THAT WERE IMPEDING THIS REGULATION TO BE POSSIBLE.THEY WERE JUST BASICALLY VENTING, UM, AND CERTAIN, CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE ROOF THAT JUST LITERALLY PROHIBITED THIS FROM OCCURRING.
UM, AS WE'VE WENT THROUGH THE REVIEWING PROCESS, THE INSTALLATION COMPANIES HAVE BEEN FAIRLY ADAPTABLE IN OUR CONVERSATION.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE MANAGED THROUGH THIS PROCESS RATHER, WELL, IT HASN'T EXACTLY, UM, RESULTED IN THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAD ENVISIONED, BUT AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE'RE WORK, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT.
SO WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE TODAY AND WHAT WE'VE, UM, STARTED TO WORK WITH, WITH INSTALLERS AGAIN ON THE LEFT IS WHAT WE INTENDED ON THE RIGHT.
THIS IS WHAT WE'VE TEND TENDED TO APPROVE.
THEY'RE RECTANGULAR AND SHAPE.
EACH ONE OF THE INDIVIDUAL PIECES ARE RECTANGULAR IN SHAPE, BUT THEY'RE DISSECTED.
SO IT'S NOT GIVING YOU THAT COHESIVE LOOK.
UM, I GUESS THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE WANNA HAVE WITH, WITH COUNCIL IS ARE WE ACHIEVING WHAT WE ORIGINALLY BLESS YOU, ARE WE ACHIEVING WHAT WE ORIGINALLY INTENDED? AND IS IT GETTING US TO THE POINT OF AESTHETIC QUALITY? THE, UH, SECOND THING THAT WE'RE, UM, DEALING WITH IS THE COLOR REQUIREMENT.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, THIS IS THE MORE IMPORTANT OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE REALLY STRUGGLING WITH.
UM, OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS SAY THAT THESE, UH, SOLAR PANELS HAVE TO BE SIMILAR IN COLOR OF THE ROOF ITSELF.
SO ONE, WE'RE DEALING WITH HOW TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT IN HOW WE DETERMINE WHAT SIMILAR IS.
UH, WE WANT TO, UH, TRY TO ADAPT TO THE IDEA THAT WE'RE BEING SUBJECTIVE BASICALLY.
SO ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WAS KIND ENOUGH TO RECOMMEND AN APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN QUITE USEFUL FOR US.
UM, AND WHAT IT DOES, IF YOU CAN SEE IN THAT FIRST PICTURE, WHAT IT ACTUALLY DOES IS WHEN YOU TAKE A PICTURE OF SOMETHING THAT HAS MULTIPLE COLOR VARIATIONS, IT DISSECTS THE COLORS AND TELLS YOU BASICALLY ALL THE COLORS THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN A VISUAL REPRESENTATION.
SO IT ALLOWS US TO LOOK AT A, A SHINGLE AND SAY, I KNOW I'M LOOKING AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT COLORS, BUT THESE ARE THE FIVE MAIN COLORS THAT I'M LOOKING AT AND ARE THREE DARK VERSUS THREE OR TOO LIGHT, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, A TANGIBLE EXPERTISE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE IZING.
SO WE, UM, ARE ASKING COUNCIL, OR AT LEAST SUGGESTING TO COUNCIL THAT WE CONTINUE TO USE THIS APPLICATION AS PART OF OUR REVIEW PROCESS TO HELP US TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CURRENT REGULATIONS.
SO AS PART OF OUR CONVERSATION WITH, UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE WANTED TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE APPROVING AND WHAT WE WERE DISAPPROVING AND WHY, ESSENTIALLY.
SO IF YOU SEE THE FIRST COLUMN, THE FIRST THREE ARE WHAT WE, INITIALLY WE WERE, WE WERE RATHER CONSERVATIVE.
THE FIRST THREE ARE WHAT WE ACTUALLY WERE APPROVING TO BEGIN WITH, UM, BASED ON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
WE ADDED THREE MORE THAT WERE SIMILAR IN NATURE.
THEY DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, VARIATION IN TERMS OF COLOR, UM, BUT THEY DO ADD TO THE PALETTE THAT WE CAN IMPROVE.
THE SECOND COLUMN ARE AREAS THAT WE HAVE NOT APPROVED, AND THEY EITHER LIGHT IN COLOR OR THEY'RE JUST A, A TYPICAL, OR EXCUSE ME, NON-TYPICAL, UH, ROOF SHINGLE THAT WOULD BE VERY PROMINENT WHEN YOU ADD A, A BLACK ELEMENT TO IT.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'VE, UM, RECOMMENDED FOR DISAPPROVAL CURRENTLY.
SO CURRENTLY, AGAIN, UM, WE'RE FOCUSING ON TWO PROVISIONS THAT WE THINK ARE MOST PROBLEMATIC TO OUR APPROVAL PROCESS.
UM, WE HAVE ALSO TALKED TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS, WHICH HAS BEEN A RECENT CONVERSATION.
ORIGINALLY IT WAS ALMOST SOLELY RESIDENTIAL, AND NOW IT'S, IT HAS TRANSITIONED TO COMMERCIAL.
AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROPERTY OWNERS WHO HAVE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT, UM, OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS SAY IF IT'S FLAT ROOF, IT HAS TO BE, UH, UH, SHIELDED.
IT CAN'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT YET WE'RE IMPLYING, UM, OR APPLYING AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEIR POINT IS, THOSE ARE ONEROUS REQUIREMENTS.
IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT, WHY HAVE IT? AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED
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TO ADDRESS, WHY WE WERE TALKING TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT IT.UM, AGAIN, WE'VE, UH, RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM THE, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, ACTUALLY CITY COUNCIL, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF, IS THIS WHAT WE REALLY INTENDED FOR THESE REGULATIONS TO ACTUALLY SAY, DID WE ALWAYS WANT TO REGULATE THE FRONT FACADE DIFFERENTLY THAN WE DID THE SIDE IN THE REAR? SO BASED ON THOSE COMMENTS, WE'RE PROPOSING A CODE MODIFICATION THAT DOES DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TWO, UM, SPECIFICALLY TO THE SIDE IN THE REAR.
UH, THE AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS ARE TO THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS OF MINIMIZING CORNERS, UM, NOT EXTENDING BEYOND THE ROOF LINE, AND OF COURSE, MAINTAINING AND WORKING ORDER TO THE FRONT FACADES THE AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT, THE COLOR AND THE CONFIGURATION WOULD APPLY.
UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, BASED ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL.
SO SOME GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATIONS.
IFI FOUND THIS IS TO BE QUITE HELPFUL.
UM, CURRENTLY OUR DEFINITION THAT WE'VE PROPOSED, AND WE CAN DISCUSS THIS OF COURSE, UM, THE EXTERIOR OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE IS FACING THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT PROVIDES FRONTAGE.
AND WE WANTED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC THAT IT'S FRONTAGE, BECAUSE IF WE DEFINE IT AS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WE'RE GONNA, THAT'S GONNA INCLUDE MUCH MORE APPLICATION THAN WE, UM, MAY WANT TO.
UM, AND THEN ONCE YOU DEFINE THE, THE FRONTAGE, ANY ROOF LINE ADJACENT TO THIS EXTERIOR, INCLUDING DESIGN ELEMENTS, THAT'S DORMERS, UM, GABLES, UH, FRONT LOADED GARAGES.
SO THERE IS SOME IMPLICATIONS TO, THIS WOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THE COLOR REQUIREMENTS AND THE CONFIGURATION REQUIREMENTS THE SIDE IN THE REAR WOULD NOT.
SO WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE DIFFERENTIATING THOSE TWO.
UM, JUST TO FURTHER THAT POINT, IF YOU SEE THE GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATION ON THE LEFT, CURRENTLY, WE APPLY THESE, UH, REGULATIONS IN TERMS OF COLOR AND CONFIGURATION TO ALL SIDES.
IT'S THERE, THERE'S NO, UH, DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS WOULD AGAIN, DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TWO.
UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT I SAID ABOUT NON-RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS, WE'VE SIMPLY SAID THAT IF THERE IS A PROVISION WHERE IT'S A FLAT ROOF AND THERE ARE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY WOULD NOT SPECIFICALLY BE REQUIRED TO, UH, DO PANELS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY BLACK IN NATURE, THERE'S A COST IMPLICATION TO THE INSTALLATION PROCESS.
SO, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE ANALYZED THAT PROBLEM AND THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ADDRESS THE, THE, UH, QUESTION.
SO IN TERMS OF OUR RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL, WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UH, THIS ORDINANCE BE APPROVED, UM, FOR THE SECOND RATING IN DECEMBER.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT IF CITY COUNCIL WOULD, UH, SEE IT, UH, IMPORTANT THAT, UH, AN EMERGENCY ADOPTION ON THE DECEMBER 11TH.
THERE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE TRYING TO GET THEIR TAX INCENTIVES FOR THIS YEAR GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.
AND SO THERE IS SOME TIME SENSITIVITY IF CITY COUNCIL WERE TO DEEM THAT APPROPRIATE, WE WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND EMERGENCY RIGHT, UH, REGULATIONS IN DECEMBER.
AND OF COURSE, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? WE DO.
IF YOU'LL JUST COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, WE'D APPRECIATE THAT.
MY ADDRESS IS 95 LONGVIEW DRIVE.
UM, I WAS, WAS GONNA PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT TO THE FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT, OR BURDEN THAT MY FAMILY AND OTHER FAMILIES IN SIMILAR POSITIONS WOULD INCUR IF THE EMERGENCY LEGISLATION WEREN'T TO GO THROUGH.
UM, BUT BEFORE THAT, I DO THAT.
I JUST WANNA SAY THANKS SO MUCH TO TAMMY AND, AND EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT.
UH, FOR ALL THE TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND ENERGY THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO THIS, UH, IT MEANS CERTAINLY MEANS A LOT TO MY FAMILY.
I KNOW IT MEANS A LOT TO A LOT OF OTHER FAMILIES AS WELL.
UM, BUT THE, THE FINANCIAL, FINANCIAL BURDEN, IT, IT'S NOT JUST THE TAX CREDIT, THAT IS A, A HUGE FACTOR, BUT IT ALSO HAS A LOT TO DO WITH HOW SOLAR FINANCING WORKS.
SO IN, IN ALL SOLAR FINANCING COMPANIES HAVE PRETTY GENERALLY SIMILAR STRUCTURES.
SO I'LL JUST EXPLAIN HOW MINE WORKS SO YOU GUYS KIND OF CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE ADDED, UH, BURDEN OF NOT BEING ABLE TO INSTALL THIS YEAR VERSUS INSTALLING NEXT YEAR.
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SO, UM, OUR, UH, WE, WE WERE APPROVED FOR FINANCING ON JUNE 22ND.THAT APPROVAL IS GOOD FOR SIX MONTHS, AND IF THAT EXPIRES, WHICH WOULD BE DECEMBER 22ND, OBVIOUSLY, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ON AN INTEREST RATE.
THAT'S A POINT AND A HALF HIGHER BECAUSE INTEREST RATES HAVE GONE UP SO MUCH CONVENIENTLY, CONVENIENTLY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
UM, SO FOR, FOR US, AND, AND ALSO HOW THE LOAN WORKS IS THERE'S NO PAYMENTS FOR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, AND THEN AT MONTH SEVEN, THE PAYMENT IS, UH, BASED ON THE EXISTING LOAN AMOUNT.
SO WHAT MOST PEOPLE WILL DO IS DURING THAT SIX MONTHS, THEY'LL FILE THEIR TAXES, THEY'LL GET THEIR TAX CREDIT, THEY'LL APPLY IT TO THE LOAN, SO THAT MONTH SEVEN THEIR, THEIR LOAN PAYMENT IS REALLY LOW.
UM, SO JUST SOME, SOME DETAILS ABOUT MY PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY THE TOTAL IMPACT FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT, THAT, OR BURDEN THAT WE WOULD HAVE BY NOT GETTING IT DONE THIS YEAR IS $5,480.
AND HOW, HOW THAT BREAKS DOWN IS JUST TO KIND OF BREAK DOWN EXACTLY HOW, HOW THAT, THAT WILL WORK.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, OUR SYSTEM IS GONNA SAVE US ABOUT $200 A MONTH ON AVERAGE.
SO BY POSTPONING IT ONE MONTH, THAT'S $200 RIGHT THERE.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE OUR SYSTEM INSTALLED THIS YEAR, THEN WE CANNOT APPLY FOR THE TAX CREDIT IN APRIL OF 24, WHICH MEANS WE WILL NOT HAVE THE TAX CREDIT TO PUT TOWARDS THE LOAN IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS.
SO ON MONTH SEVEN, INSTEAD OF OUR PAYMENT BEING $148 PER MONTH, IT WOULD BE $239 PER MONTH, WHICH IS $91 MORE.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE OTHER THING IS THAT OBVIOUSLY IF OUR INTEREST RATE GOES UP, OUR LOAN PAYMENT'S GONNA BE HIGHER, OUR LOAN PAYMENT'S GONNA BE $167 INSTEAD OF $148.
SO IF YOU ADD THAT UP, IT'S $200 FOR THE ONE EXTRA MONTH OF PAYING AEP, IT IS $910 FOR 10 MONTHS AT $91 EXTRA PER MONTH.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $4,370 FOR PAYING $19 MORE PER MONTH FOR THE 20 YEAR LOAN TERM.
SO AGAIN, IN TOTAL, THAT'S $5,480.
UM, AND, AND I KNOW THAT EMERGENCY ACTIONS ARE, ARE REALLY RARE AND UNIQUE, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE SCENARIO WHERE I, I THINK THAT, UH, MOST PEOPLE ARE IN AGREEMENT OF THE CODE CHANGE AND IT WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANTLY POSITIVE IMPACT ON MYSELF AND OTHER FAMILIES THAT ARE IN THE SAME POSITION WHILE ALSO HAVING A VERY MINIMAL IMPACT ON, UH, OR, OR NO IMPACT ON THE, THE COMMUNITY.
NO, NO NEGATIVE IMPACT AT LEAST.
UM, SO THAT WAS REALLY ALL, ALL THAT I HAD, BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT AND, UH, FOR ALL THE TIME AND ENERGY YOU GUYS HAVE PUT INTO THIS.
UH, IT'S REALLY ENCOURAGING AND UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN AN AWESOME PROCESS FOR ME JUST FROM AN EDUCATIONAL ASPECT, UH, TO SEE OUR, OUR DEMOCRACY AT WORK.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY IS OBVIOUSLY EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF LIKE ANOTHER, ANOTHER PROOF OF THAT.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR COMMENTS FOR, WE APPRECIATE THEM.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, LINDSEY? NO, UM, DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FOR TAMMY? ANDY? SO LIKE THE LAST ORDINANCE, I GUESS I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, IS THIS ACHIEVING THE RESULT THAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR? UM, THERE WERE 25 APPLICATIONS AND ONLY NINE WERE APPROVED.
MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT THERE WERE FEWER THAN NINE APPROVED INITIALLY, BUT MAYBE YOU FOLKS HAVE BEEN SORT OF FLEXIBLE IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS AND HAVE BEEN KIND OF BENDING THE RULES A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, THE INTENTION IS TO ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO PUT SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR HOME IF THEY WANT TO DO SO.
I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THE, THE FRONT VERSUS THE REAR.
UM, THE COLOR AND SHAPE REQUIREMENT IS FOR THE FRONT, AND THAT COLOR AND SHAPE REQUIREMENT IS WHERE YOU USE THE PALETTE TO COME UP WITH A SIMILAR COLOR FOR THE, THE PANEL AND THEN A RECTANGULAR SHAPE, BUT IT COULD BE MULTIPLE RECTANGULAR SHAPES AND THAT'S ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU ALLOW IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? IF, IF THERE, IF THE, IF WE'RE MORE LENIENT ON THE REAR OR SIDE, UM, HOW, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? SO FOR THE, FOR THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
SO FOR THE REAR, THE IMPORTANT THING
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IS THE COLOR IMPLICATIONS WOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE TO THE REAR.SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE, YOU CAN'T EXTEND BEYOND THE ROUGH LINE.
YOU HAVE TO CONCEAL THE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO USE FRAMING AND YOU CAN'T SEE THE CONDUITS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
ALL OF THOSE, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS ESSENTIAL AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE IN PLACE.
IT WOULD JUST SIMPLY NOT BE APPLYING THE COLOR AND THE CONFIGURATION TO THE, TO THE REAR.
SO IN THEORY, SOMEBODY COULD HAVE ONE COLOR PANEL ON THE FRONT AND A DIFFERENT COLOR PANEL ON THE REAR.
WELL, THE, SO THEY SAY YOU HAVE TO TAN SHINGLES, YOU CAN PUT THE BLACK PANELS ON THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN PUT BLACK PANELS ON TAN SHINGLES ON THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE.
I, I, I MEAN, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE GOAL IS TO GET MORE PEOPLE TO INSTALL SOLAR IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
BUT IF THEY HAVE A TAN ROOF, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT PANELS ON THE FRONT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THEY'D ONLY BE ABLE TO PUT PANELS ON THE BACK.
TAMMY, COULD YOU, UM, IT, SO THE, THE 25 PERMITS AND NINE HAVE BEEN APPROVED WITH THIS CHANGE OF THE 25, HOW MANY WOULD BE APPROVED? YEAH, THANK YOU.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THE, AT LEAST THE 25 THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE PLACE, SEVEN MORE APPLICATIONS WOULD BE APPROVED.
SO IF WE HAVE NINE THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED, SEVEN 16, UM, SO THAT GETS US AROUND AN APPROVAL OF ABOUT 63, 60 4%.
SO WE'RE GETTING IN A MORE POSITIVE DIRECTION.
UM, AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH, WITH YOU ALL, IS IS THAT FAR ENOUGH EVEN? UM, SO WE'RE PROBABLY, UM, GOING FROM, I WOULD SAY LIKE A 40% ISH RATE TO 60 ISH PERCENT RATE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR CITY COUNCIL.
IF, IF, IS THAT FAR ENOUGH? WELL, I, I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD WORK.
I, I THINK THIS IS A, THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO LAND FOR, FOR NOW.
AND YOU KNOW, AS TECHNOLOGY AND EVERYTHING ADVANCES, WE'LL PROBABLY SEE A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE, BUT AT LEAST EVERYONE WILL HAVE OF A PARTIAL SOLUTION.
MAYBE EVERYONE WON'T HAVE A, THE SOLUTION THAT THEY WANTED FULLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE CATCHING UP SOON.
UM, AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE EMERGENCY LEGISLATION, IF WE'RE GOING TO PASS THIS, AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, LAW IN THE CITY, I DON'T SEE A REASON NOT TO ALLOW RESIDENTS THE, UM, THE FINANCIAL BENEFIT OF DOING SO, BEING THAT THIS IS NOT, UH, A TAX, UM, OF A TAX CONSEQUENCE TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
SO, UM, IF IT WERE TO, IF IT WERE TO PASS, THEN, THEN PASSING AS AN EMERGENCY WOULD, WOULD BE OKAY WITH ME.
UM, YEAH, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT AS WELL.
I THINK I, I THINK IT WAS AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AESTHETICS ON THE FRONT, AND I, I, I, I THINK IT WAS A BIT OF AN OVERSIGHT IN OUR PART.
SO, UM, I'M HAPPY I ONLY HAD ONE, UM, ONE QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION.
SO FRONTAGE, IF YOU'RE A CORNER LOT FRONTAGE IS ANYTHING THAT FACES A PUBLIC STREET.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TWO FRONTAGES, OR HOW DID WE, I KNOW WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THAT AND JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT ONE.
SO, SO A CORNER LOT WOULD HAVE TWO FRONTAGES.
SO YES, THEY, THOSE WOULD BE, UM, APPLIED TO BOTH, BOTH SIDES? YES.
AND I'M FINE WITH THE COMMERCIAL IF YOU CANNOT SEE IT.
I MEAN, I THINK WE HAD AN AESTHETIC QUESTION, AND IF YOU CANNOT SEE IT, I'M FINE WITH THAT DECISION.
UM, AND, UM, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.
I, I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT EMERGENCY LEGISLATION, SO THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, I WANNA, UM, COMPLIMENT YOU OR ORIGINALLY ON YOUR BLOCK PATTERN, IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST AESTHETICALLY APPEALING, YOU KNOW, SO I, I TOO AM INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS PASSED ON EMERGENCY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN THE INTENDED AND THE IMPLIED SHAPE, THE INTENDED SHAPE.
I THINK THE CITY WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS, IS TRYING TO ESTABLISH A QUALITY, UM, ROOF LINE THAT DIDN'T AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I'D LIKE TO SEE AS, AS THIS ORDINANCE CAME OUT CREEPING, UH, BOXES MOVING UP THE ROOF WITHOUT A PATTERN TO 'EM.
SO, UH, I THINK, UH, THIS IS A GOOD TRIAL.
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THING.I THINK THAT WAS REALLY WELL WORKED OUT.
UM, HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SHINGLES AND TILES FOR THIS IN THE FUTURE, AND WE WON'T HAVE THIS DEBATE OF A BUNCH OF BOXES SITTING ON YOUR ROOF.
SO I TOO AM UH, INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS PASS AN EMERGENCY THEN THERE ISN'T THAT MANY CASES OF IT.
AND I, AND AGAIN, I DO WONDER, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF I LOOK OUT EVERY DAY AND SAW MY NEIGHBOR'S SOLAR PANELING, YOU KNOW, HOW HAPPY WOULD I BE? SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SO MINIMAL RIGHT NOW THAT THAT MAY NOT BE A PROBLEM UNTIL THE FUTURE, UNTIL WE START GETTING COMPLAINTS ON THE VISUAL ASPECTS OF THIS.
UM, I JUST HAD, I, I AM VERY HAPPY WE'RE DOING THIS.
I THINK IT CLARIFIES, AGAIN, AS KATHY MENTIONED, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND I SUPPORT THE, UM, FLAT ROOF CHANGE AND I SUPPORT THE EMERGENCY PROVISION WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US.
I REREAD THIS SENTENCE SEVERAL TIMES.
I THINK THE, THE PART OR IT SAYS FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, THE FRONT, WE MEAN TO SAY THAT BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, DORMERS GABLES OR FRONT LOADED GARAGES WOULD BE SUBJECTED TO, THAT'S CORRECT.
THE WORD NOT IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE THOSE ARE ALL HAVING PER YOUR DIAGRAM.
I'M GONNA HOP RIGHT IN AND SAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE 66 23 BE PASSED BY EMERGENCY EFFECTIVE UPON PASSAGE FOR THE SECOND READING.
I'LL SECOND, UH, UH, WAIT A MINUTE.
WE HAVEN'T CLOSED DISCUSSION YET BEFORE WE MAKE THE MOTION.
OH, I WAS, I JUST HAD A QUESTION BEFORE WE DO THAT.
UM, UM, WE HAD SWITCHED THE WORDING SIMILAR, UH, FROM COMPLIMENTARY, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, NOT ASKING TO CHANGE IT, I'M JUST CURIOUS, TWO THINGS.
ONE, UM, IS COMPLIMENTARY OR SIMILAR USED MORE OFTEN IN MOST, UM, UM, MUNICIPALITIES OR, AND IF YOU USED THE WORD COMPLIMENTARY, WOULD IT ALLOW MORE OF THOSE COLORS TO BE ACCEPTED? JUST KIND OF CURIOUS.
UM, WE DID ORIGINALLY PROPOSE THE LANGUAGE TO BE COMPLIMENTARY, AND IT DID CHANGE TO SIMILAR.
I WOULD SAY ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS THERE'S STILL SUBJECTIVITY TO BOTH OF THOSE TERMS. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LATITUDE AND COMPLIMENTARY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, MOST OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD WITH INSTALLERS ARE BASICALLY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT EITHER ONE OF THOSE TERMS GET US TO, UM, ADDRESSING THAT CONCERN.
SO I GUESS THAT'S HOW I WOULD RESPOND.
AND THE PANTONE GIVES YOU A MORE OBJECTIVE? MM-HMM,
I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE COLORS, THE APPROVED AND DISAPPROVED AND THE ONE THAT'S KIND OF STRUCK ME WAS THE HARBOR BLUE.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A DEEP COLOR, RIGHT? SO IF YOU DO THAT WITH PANTONE AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS BLACK IN THERE, UM, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE, HOW DID YOU DETERMINE THAT HARBOR BLUE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HARBOR BLUE ROOFS THERE ARE IN THE CITY, BUT THIS IS JUST ON PRINCIPLE OR PHILOSOPHY ALONE.
UM, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THAT, THAT, UH, WHAT WOULD PANTONE SHOW YOU THAT SAY QUARRY GRAY, WHICH LOOKS LIKE A LIGHTER COLOR THAN HARBOR BLUE? WHAT IS, WHAT HAPPENS IS IT, IT IT SHOWS YOU MORE DARK COLORS IN THE SHINGLE THAN IT WOULD BE, SO BASICALLY THE BLUE WOULD BE STRONGER THAN SAY THE BLACK.
SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST A, A WAY OF US DISSECTING THE COLORS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND SAYING ARE MORE OF THE COLORS DARKER IN NATURE THAN LIGHTER.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CORE, GET GRAY THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF COLORS GOING ON.
SO THAT HELPS YOU AT LEAST DISSECT THAT CONVERSATION AND PINPOINT HOW WE'RE COMING UP TO THE DETERMINATION OF DARK VERSUS LATE.
UM, I, I'M WITH THE REST OF THEM.
I, I THINK I, I AGREE WITH ALL THE SUGGESTIONS YOU'VE MADE.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT GOING FORWARD, IF WE'RE THE MOST SUSTAINABLE, THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MONITOR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE MEETING THE OBJECTIVE THAT WE'RE HOPING FOR, AND HOPING THE TECHNOLOGY GETS BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER.
AND WE WON'T HAVE THESE CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS, BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK AND DEFINITELY THE TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU TRY TO PUT FORWARD TO THIS SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH ANGST AND PEOPLE GET, HOPEFULLY THE, THE, UH, SAVINGS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
I, I JUST WANNA, I'M JUST GONNA CLARIFY ONE THING.
THE, THE REASON WE SWITCHED IT FROM COMPLIMENTARY, I HAD BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE IN THE WORLD OF COLOR, LIKE IF YOU'RE USING PANTONE AND YOU'RE WORKING IN COLOR OR MARKETING OR DESIGN, COMPLIMENTARY
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COLORS ARE ACTUALLY OPPOSITES.THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPPOSITE ON THE COLOR WHEEL.
IF YOU GO BACK TO ART CLASS AND THEY CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT, SO TO SAY THE COLOR IS COMPLIMENTARY IS LIKE RED AND BLUE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S NOT THE, FOR COLOR PURPOSES, IT'S NOT THE SAME THING.
LIKE COMPLIMENTARY LOOKS NICE.
YEAH, NO, IT WOULD BE LIKE MAZE AND BLUE.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
DANNY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLE MAYOR FOX? YES.
UM, WOULD YOU PLEASE REREAD THAT MOTION FOR ME SO THAT I AM CLEAR ON IT? THE MOTION WAS TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING ORDINANCE 66 DASH 23 BACK AS AN EMERGENCY MEASURE EFFECTIVE UPON PASSAGE AT THE SECOND READING.
I DIDN'T HEAR IT QUITE WELL, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, SO THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING OF ORDINANCE 66 DASH 23 IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 11TH, ORDINANCE
[Ordinance 67-23]
67 DASH 23, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND OTHER RELATED AGREEMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF Y BLOCK WITH CRAWFORD HO DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS.OUR STAFF REPORT IS FROM CITY MANAGER MEGAN OOC, CALLAHAN.
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ORDINANCE ORDINANCE 67 23 IS REQUESTING AUTHORIZATION TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND OTHER RELATED AGREEMENTS WITH CRAWFORD HO DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, STAFF AND CRAWFORD HOE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER IN TO NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR Y BLOCK AT BRIDGE PARK.
AND THIS ORDINANCE AUTHORIZES THE EXECUTION OF THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT ALONG WITH RELATED AGREEMENTS SUCH AS A SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPOSED TAX INCREMENT FINANCING, A COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT AREA AGREEMENT FOR THE REAL PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, AND THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING AND COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPOSED TIFF BONDS.
THE DEVELOPER IS IN THE PLANNING STAGE FOR THE Y BLOCK PROJECT, WHICH LIES WITHIN A 3.8 ACRE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE 1 61 AND RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
THE DEVELOPER IS PLANNING TO CONSTRUCT APPROXIMATELY 90,000 SQUARE FEET OF CLASS A OFFICE SPACE, AN UPSCALE 115 KEY FULL SERVICE HOTEL WITH EVENT SPACE, 14,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL RESTAURANT SPACE, 60 RESIDENTIAL RENTAL APARTMENT UNITS, AND A 370 SPACE PARKING GARAGE ON APPROXIMATELY 3.8 ACRES.
THE PURPOSE OF THE AGREEMENT IS TO PROVIDE THE FRAMEWORK BY WHICH THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE IMPROVEMENT OBLIGATIONS ARE ESTABLISHED.
THE PROJECT WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT SUBSTITUTE FOR OR SUPERSEDE ANY OF THE CITY'S APPLICABLE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESSES.
AND I'M GONNA HAND THINGS OFF TO GREG DANIELS WITH SQUIRE PATENT BOGGS TO WALK THROUGH THE PERTINENT TERMS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, THE FACILITY BEING FINANCED VIA THIS AGREEMENT IS A, UH, PARKING GARAGE FOR THE SITE.
UH, THIS IS A VERY INTENSE USE FOR THE SITE.
IT REQUIRES A PARKING GARAGE IN ORDER TO ADEQUATELY PARK IT.
AND AS I THINK WE HAVE ALL SEEN, PARKING GARAGES ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO CONSTRUCT.
THE COST FOR THIS PARKING GARAGE IS CURRENTLY ESTIMATED TO BE APPROXIMATELY $25 MILLION.
UM, INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, UM, FOR THE OVERALL FINANCING IS ABOUT A $3 MILLION CONTINGENCY.
THIS REFLECTS ANTICIPATED, CONTINUED ESCALATION.
UH, SO WE'LL GET TO THE SPECIFIC ECONOMICS A LITTLE BIT LATER ON THAT.
UH, AS WITH MANY OF THE OTHER, UH, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT PARKING GARAGES, THIS PARKING GARAGE IS ANTICIPATED TO BE OWNED BY THE COLUMBUS FRANKLIN COUNTY FINANCE AUTHORITY, WHO'S ALSO EXPECTED TO BE THE BONDING ENTITY FOR THIS PARKING GARAGE.
THERE ARE THREE ANTICIPATED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS.
UH, THESE ARE ALL TOOLS WE'VE USED BEFORE IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
THE FIRST IS THE COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT AREA, REAL PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT.
THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE ONLY IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE OVERALL COST OF OPERATING THAT GARAGE, NO ADDITIONAL COUNCIL LEGISLATION BEYOND THIS ORDINANCE IS REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT THIS ABATEMENT.
THE SECOND TOOL IS A TAX INCREMENT FINANCING FOR THE SITE.
IT DOESN'T INVOLVE OTHER PARCELS.
UM, THERE WILL NEED TO BE A ADDITIONAL ORDINANCE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL TO IMPLEMENT THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING FOR THE SITE THAT WOULD OCCUR AT A LATER DATE.
THE CITY HAS TO BE IN CHAIN OF TITLE FOR THE
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SITE, SO THERE NEED TO BE SOME TIME TO GET THE CITY IN THE CHAIN OF TITLE.THE LAST IS A NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY FOR THE SITE.
UH, THE RECOMMENDATION HERE IS TO EXTEND THE EXISTING, UH, BRIDGE PARK COMMUNITY AUTHORITY TO THE SITE.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE FOR THIS SPECIFIC SITE TO CREATE A NEW NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY.
THIS WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL COUNSEL ACTION AFTER RECEIPT OF A PETITION BY THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ADD THE PROPERTY TO THE BRIDGE PARK COMMUNITY AUTHORITY.
UH, THAT'S A TWO-STEP PROCESS, INCLUDING PUBLIC HEARINGS TYPICALLY TAKES ABOUT 60 DAYS FROM THE TIME THE PROPERTY OWNER INITIATES THAT ACTION.
AS I MENTIONED, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS WILL ALL BE USED TO PROVIDE FOR THE PARKING FACILITY.
UH, THE TIFF IS EXPECTED TO RUN FOR A 30 YEAR TIME PERIOD.
UH, THIS IS TYPICAL FOR TIFF'S WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
IN ADDITION, UH, VIA THE NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY, UH, THE OWNERS HAVE AGREED THAT IT WILL COLLECT THE SAME HALF PERCENT RETAIL CHARGE AND THE SAME 1% HOTEL CHARGE AS OTHER PROPERTIES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY.
THIS IS TO NOT ONLY PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT, BUT KEEP ALL THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.
THESE NCA CHARGES PLUS THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING SERVICE PAYMENTS WILL BE RECEIVED OVER THE COURSE OF 30 YEARS TO RETIRE THE DEBT THAT'S ISSUED BY THE COLUMBUS FRANKLIN COUNTY FINANCE AUTHORITY.
IF THOSE SERVICE PAYMENTS AND NCA CHARGES ARE INSUFFICIENT, THE Y BLOCK OWNER HAS AGREED TO A MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE PAYMENTS AND CHARGES TO CASH FLOW THE DEBT SERVICE.
AS WITH OTHER DEBT, UH, RECENTLY ISSUED WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, THE CITY HAS NO OBLIGATION TO PAY DEBT SERVICE.
THE CITY'S CREDIT IS NOT IMPLICATED IN ANY WAY.
AND, UH, AS YOU LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC AGREEMENT, THE APPLICATION OF THE SERVICE PAYMENTS AND NCA REVENUES ARE AN EXHIBIT E.
IT IS A TYPICAL WHAT IS CALLED WATERFALL, WHERE MOST OF THE MONEY WILL GO TO DEBT SERVICE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES FOR THE BONDS, AND THEN AT LEAST HALF OF THE REVENUE FLOW WILL BE USED FOR THE EARLY RETIREMENT OF THE BONDS.
THE GOAL FOR THAT IS TO SAVE MONEY AND SAVE TIFF AND NC CHARGE REVENUES BY REDEEMING THE BONDS EARLY.
AS HAS BEEN TYPICAL WITH PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF WHAT WE CALL INCENTIVE CONTINGENCIES.
THIS IS BASICALLY THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT THE CITY GOES THROUGH AND WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER GOES THROUGH TO ENSURE IT'S A VIABLE PROJECT BEFORE COMMITTING THE TIF REVENUE AND THE SERVICE PAYMENTS FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, THESE INCLUDE EVERYTHING FROM REVIEWING AND APPROVING THE FINAL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLANS, UH, TO MAKING SURE THAT THE CITY IS SATISFIED WITH THE AGREEMENTS THAT THE DEVELOPER AND THE COLUMBUS FRANKLIN COUNTY FINANCE AUTHORITY ENTER INTO, UH, TO MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS FOR THE SITE.
UM, IN ADDITION, AND IN PARTICULAR FOR THIS, BECAUSE ONE OF THE ASSETS HERE IS A, UH, HIGH-END HOTEL, UH, THIS PROVIDES THAT THE CITY HAS TO BE SATISFIED WITH THE HOTEL BRAND FOR THE SITE, AND THAT THIS PARTICULAR HOTEL BRAND IS EXPECTED TO YIELD AT LEAST $300, UM, PER HOTEL STAY.
SO THAT'S MUCH HIGHER THAN OTHER HOTELS WITHIN THE AREA AND SHOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF THE BRAND FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, IN ADDITION, UH, THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST PARCEL 2 7 3 0 0 8 2 6 9, UM, THERE IS A DESIRE BY THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT THE, UH, POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT, UH, MESHES WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL.
SO THE DEVELOPER IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT, UH, INFORMATION AND A PLAN FOR THAT PARCEL TO MAKE SURE THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE IS NOT BEING HANDCUFFED BY THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL.
UM, THE FINANCIAL BENEFITS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, GIVEN BOTH THE HOTEL USE AND THE OFFICE USE, ARE SIGNIFICANT FOR THE CITY, ESPECIALLY FOR A PARCEL THIS SIZE.
UM, WITH THE OFFICE, IT THERE IS OVER $16 MILLION OF PROJECTED INCOME TAXES OVER THE 30 YEAR TERM OF THE TIF OR ABOUT $540,000 ANNUALLY.
IN ADDITION, UM, BED TAXES ARE EXPECTED TO EXCEED $660,000 ANNUALLY, AND INCOME TAXES FROM THE HOTEL ARE EXPECTED TO BE AROUND $70,000 ANNUALLY.
SO THAT'S $1.3 MILLION FINANCIAL BENEFIT APPROXIMATELY FOR THE CITY EACH YEAR DURING THE 30 YEAR TERM OF THE TIF.
UNLIKE SOME, UH, PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS,
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BUT CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S POLICY FOR BED TAXES, THERE'S NO BED TAX THAT IS BEING REDIRECTED FOR THE PROJECT.SO THIS IS ALL NET BED TAXES TO THE CITY THAT THE CITY WILL RETAIN FOR ITS TYPICAL BED TAX PURPOSES.
AND FINALLY, UH, THE EXCESS TIFF REVENUES ARE CURRENTLY PROJECTED TO BE APPROXIMATELY 8 MILLION.
THIS IS GONNA VARY SUBSTANTIALLY WITH, UH, INCOME WITH, UH, THE INTEREST RATES ON THE BONDS, UH, AS WELL AS THE FINAL PROJECT COSTS, BUT THE CURRENT PROJECTIONS ARE ABOUT $8 MILLION.
THOSE ARE LARGELY BACK LOADED, UH, AT, TOWARDS THE END OF THE TIF.
AND WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 67 23 AT THE SECOND READING, PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 11TH.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK CRAWFORD HOYNE FOR THEIR CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN DUBLIN AND THEIR PARTNERSHIP IN WORKING THROUGH THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT.
AND THEY WILL BE IN ATTENDANCE AT SECOND READING, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNSEL MAY HAVE.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? RIGHT.
QUESTIONS FOR MEGAN OR GREG? GREG, I'VE GOT A COUPLE.
UM, THIS PRESENTATION WASN'T IN OUR, UM, OUR PACKET, SO I, I DON'T, I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT SLIDE TO GO BACK TO, BUT I THINK IT WAS MAYBE LIKE THE FOURTH SLIDE IN OR THEREABOUTS.
SO THE OWNERS OF THE RETAIL AND HOTEL WILL COLLECT THE SAME HALF PERCENT RETAIL AND 1% HO HOTEL CHARGES TO THE, TO THE NCA AS ARE PAID ON OTHER AREA PROJECTS.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT THE HOTEL CHARGE MAXIMUM, I I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE AT THE MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE THAT YOU COULD COLLECT.
UNDER THE PETITION FOR THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY, IT ESTABLISHES A 1% MAXIMUM FOR THE HOTEL CHARGE.
SO THE COLLECTIVE ROOM TAX, I THINK WE WERE AT 16%.
IS THAT, IS THAT NUMBER CORRECT? THAT SOUNDS ABOUT IT MIGHT BE.
IT'S BETWEEN 16 AND 18%, I THINK TOTAL.
AND I THOUGHT THAT, I THOUGHT WE WERE AT THE LIMIT OF WHAT THE STATE WOULD ALLOW US TO COLLECT ON THAT ROOM.
SO I'M, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS HOW DO WE ADD A PERCENT IF WE'RE ALREADY AT THE CEILING? GOT IT.
UH, SO THAT IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THOSE LIMITATIONS THAT THE STATE PRESCRIBES ARE FOR THE TAXES ON THE ROOM.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO VIA NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY IS ADD ADDITIONAL CHARGES WHICH ARE NOT TAXES.
SO THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THAT TAX LIMITATION.
NOW, ONE OF THE REASONS WE CAN DO THAT IS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO AGREE TO IT, UNLIKE A TAX WHICH IS IMPOSED WITHOUT THE PROPERTY OWNER CONSENT.
AND THEN THAT 16, 18%, WHATEVER THAT RIGHT NUMBER, WHATEVER THE CORRECT NUMBER IS, THEN THAT WILL GO INTO THE BED TAX FUND THAT IS TREATED YES, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BED TAXES.
AND HOW MANY I DID NOT SEE THIS.
AND IF IT WAS THERE, FORGIVE ME, I DID NOT SEE A BREAKDOWN IN THE PARKING GARAGES AS THIS NUMBER OF SPACES ASSIGNED TO EACH, UM, USE IN THE AREA, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESERVE UP TO 50% OF THE SPACES OR ROUNDABOUTS, UM, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER PARKING GARAGES WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
SO I GUESS THAT'S, IF THEY NEED IT, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR OFFICE, UH, TENANTS TO HELP INCENTIVIZE THE OFFICE.
I THINK IN OTHER GARAGES, UH, THE DEVELOPER HAS NOT USED THE FULL ALLOCATION OF POTENTIAL RESERVE SPACES, BUT IT'S THERE IF THEY NEED IT.
AND FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THIS WILL BE THE HIGHEST END HOTEL IN THE DISTRICT.
IS THAT, THAT IT ACCURATE THAT IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
THEN I, I WOULD IMAGINE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE REVER RESERVE SPOTS FOR THE TENANTS OR THE, UH, GUESTS IN THE HOTEL AND IF THEY COLLECT A FEE FOR, FOR THOSE, UM, PARTICULAR SPACES, DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE WILL, THERE WILL BE FEE CHARGES FOR A PARKING? THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL IN A VALET SITUATION LIKE THAT? UM, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AT LEAST THAT I'VE BEEN PART OF, THEY HAVE NOT ASKED FOR ANY RESERVE SPACES FOR THE HOTEL WITHIN THE OVERALL ALLOCATION.
LIKE THE OTHER BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT GARAGE IS, IT'S A FREE PUBLIC GARAGE.
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I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION THERE IS IF THERE IS A FEE FOR PARKING IN THAT GARAGE PRIOR TO THE FULFILLMENT OF THE DEBT ON IT, UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE RECIPIENTS OF SOME OF THAT REVENUE.IT, SO THEY DO HAVE TO, UH, GET CITY APPROVAL FOR THAT, AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT TO BE PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT THAT APPROVAL.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY, JENNY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A PARKING PLAN THAT WILL BE VETTED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS AS WELL.
SO THOSE DISCUSSIONS WILL OCCUR THROUGH THERE.
AND TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID, SO WORST CASE SCENARIO, 50% OF THE GARAGE WILL BE CITY OPEN PUBLIC PARKING? CORRECT.
UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
IT'S AN EXCITING PROJECT, SO THANK YOU.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE NCA, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
SO THE CURRENT NCA MEMBERS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO AGREE TO ANY CHANGE OR EXTENSION ON THIS.
THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE IN REPRESENTATION OR NO CHANGE IN TERMS OR ANY OF THAT BY THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT'S A, WHEN YOU EXPAND AN NCA, IT'S JUST A FEATURE OF STATE LAW THAT THE NCA ITSELF DOES NOT HAVE APPROVAL, UH, IS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT APPROVAL.
IT'S ALL THE PROPERTY OWNER AND WHAT IS CALLED THE ORGANIZATIONAL BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, WHICH FOR THIS NCA IS CITY COUNCIL.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO PARTIES REQUIRED TO BE INVOLVED.
SO THE, SO THE CURRENT MEMBERS OF THE NCA DON'T HAVE A VOTING OR ANY SORT OF APPROVAL, THEY, THEY DO NOT HAVE A FORMAL VOTE OR APPROVAL? THAT'S CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR GREG? ALL RIGHT.
OUR SECOND READING, AS GREG MENTIONED, IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 11TH.
[Resolution 82-23]
INTRODUCTION, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ON RESOLUTION 82 DASH 23, ACCEPTING A PRELIMINARY PLATT FOR TOWNS ON THE PARKWAY, SECTION TWO LOCATED WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.OUR STAFF REPORT IS FROM OUR PLANNER, TAYLOR MULLINAX.
TAYLOR WENT HOME SICK, SO I OKAY, JENNY, THANK YOU.
YES, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE.
SO, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS, UM, A RESOLUTION FOR SECTION TWO, UM, FOR TOWNS ON THE PARKWAY.
AND THEN THERE ARE TWO SUBSEQUENT RESOLUTIONS WHICH I'LL GO THROUGH, UM, IN ORDER, UM, ONCE WE READ THOSE IN AS WELL.
SO THIS EVENING, UM, IT, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT, UM, FOR SECTION TWO.
SO PLATTS, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, REALLY LOOKING AT PROPERTY LINES, EASEMENTS, UM, OPEN SPACE, DEDICATION, RIGHT OF WAY, UM, CREATION AS WELL.
SO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PIECES OF THIS, UM, PROPOSAL FOR TOWNS ON THE PARKWAY WAS REVIEW AND APPROVE BY PLANNING COMMISSION BACK IN 2021.
SO THIS IS, UM, REALLY JUST SETTING UP THOSE LOTS, UM, AND SECTIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT AS THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.
UM, SO SECTION TWO, WHICH IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PRELIMINARY PLAT, IS THIS AREA OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
UM, THE REMAINDER OF THE TOWNS ON THE PARKWAY SITE IS SHOWN HERE THEN IN GREEN, UM, SECTION ONE, WHICH COUNCIL APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR IS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THIS.
UM, AND THEN SECTION THREE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER, UM, IS FURTHER TO THE, UM, TO THE EAST.
SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, PLANNING COMMISSION SAW AND APPROVED, UM, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN 2021.
UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY THE PRELIMINARY PLATT AT THAT TIME, AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT FINAL PLAT THAT WAS REVIEWED BY PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THAT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD, REALLY LOOKED AT THIS HOLISTICALLY AND DID NOT SPLIT THIS UP IN SECTIONS.
UM, SO THE DEVELOPER, AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROP PROPERTY, UM, IDENTIFIED THE NEED TO CONSTRUCT AN OCCUPY BUILDINGS DIFFERENTLY.
UM, WHICH THEN HAS RESULTED IN IT BEING CREATED INTO THREE SEPARATE SECTIONS.
UM, WHICH IS WHY THERE ARE SO MANY PIECES AND PARTS THAT HAVE COME, UM, BEFORE YOU FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE PRELIMINARY PLANT FOR, UM, SECTION TWO THEN IS THE SUBDIVISION OF 3.4 ACRES, UM, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, ACRES FOR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS OPEN SPACE, AND THEN THE DEDICATION TO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, TWO PUBLIC STREETS, WHICH ARE HOLCOMB AND UM, SEVILLE STREET, UM, AS WELL AS, AS I MENTIONED, OPEN SPACE AND EASEMENT DEDICATION.
UM, AND THIS SECTION CONTAINS 49 OF THE TOWN HOMES THAT ARE PART OF THIS PROJECT THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO WITH THAT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS IN APRIL, UM, OF 2023.
UM, AND THERE WERE TWO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WHICH HAVE BEEN MET.
SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING ACCEPTANCE OF THIS RESOLUTION THIS EVENING, UM, WITH NO CONDITIONS.
SORRY, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
I WANNA BE SURE YOU'RE FINISHED.
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WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.
COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JENNY ON THIS? NONE.
UM, JENNY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLE MS. CRA? YES.
[Resolution 83-23]
RESOLUTION 83 DASH 23 ACCEPTING A FINAL PLATT FOR TOWNS ON THE PARKWAY.SECTION TWO LOCATED WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS THEN THE FINAL PLAT PORTION OF THIS SECTION TWO, UM, THAT IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
UM, AGAIN, JUST THE FINAL PIECE OF, OF WHAT WE REVIEWED IN THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION.
UM, SAME SIMILARLY PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS IN APRIL, UM, AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH TWO CONDITIONS WHICH HAVE BEEN MET.
SO WE'RE REQUESTING ACCEPTANCE THIS EVENING.
UH, JENNY, I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
SO THERE'S AN AREA, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 15 BY 19 FEET, THAT IS AN AREA, UM, EXCLUDED FROM PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT, AND IT'S, UM, RIGHT THERE ALONG MCCUNE AVENUE.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE MAYBE EVEN IN THE SIDEWALK OR JUST IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO SIDEWALK.
IT'S RIGHT ALMOST AT THE MIDPOINT BETWEEN SEVILLE AND HOLCOMB.
ON MCCUNE, THERE'S A SMALL BOX THERE AND IT SAYS AREA EXCLUDED FROM PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT, 15 FEET BY 19 FEET.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE OPEN SPACE, BUT IT CAN'T BE OPEN SPACE IF IT'S EXCLUDED FROM PUBLIC ACCESS.
SO THAT'S LOCATED WITHIN THEIR OPEN SPACE? YEAH, I THINK IT'S ALREADY CONSTRUCTED ACTUALLY.
YEAH, BECAUSE I DROVE BY THE OTHER DAY AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE A, IT'S LIKE YES, IT'S THEIR JOINT MAILBOX COVERED MAILBOX.
SO IT'S LIKE GOT A LITTLE KEYED ENTRANCE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU DO INTO YEAH, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET, LIKE THEY HAVE THE JOINT MAILBOXES LIKE YOU DO FOR OTHER SUBDIVISIONS.
SO THAT'S THAT STRUCTURE, THAT'S PART OF THAT.
AND THAT'S CLEARER OF THE SIDEWALK THEN? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JENNY? OKAY.
UM, WE WILL HAVE JENNY CALL THE ROLE.
[Resolution 84-23]
RESOLUTION 84 DASH 23 ACCEPTING A PRELIMINARY PLANT FOR TOWNS ON THE PARKWAY SECTION THREE LOCATED WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.OKAY, SO THIS IS THEN SECTION THREE, WHICH ARE LOTS THREE AND FOUR, UM, WHICH IS THEN THE EASTERN MOST PORTION OF TOWNS ON THE PARKWAY.
SO THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLANT REQUEST, UH, FOR THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, SIMILAR HISTORY FROM BEFORE.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFICS FOR THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, IT'S 4.21 ACRES, UM, DIVIDED THEM BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS WITH THE OPEN SPACE AND THE DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, ALONG THIS, UM, PARTICULAR SECTION AS WELL IN THIS SECTION CONTAINS 66 OF THE TOWN HOME LOTS WITHIN THERE.
UM, SO FOLLOWING APPROVAL OF THIS, THERE WILL BE A FINAL PLAT THAT COMES FORWARD AT A FUTURE DATE, UM, WHEN THE APPLICANT IS READY TO PROCEED WITH THAT.
BUT THIS WAS ALSO REVIEWED AT PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH ONE CONDITION, WHICH HAS BEEN MET AS WELL.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? I, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, HAVE WE CONSIDERED, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA REALIGN THE ROADWAY AT THIS CORNER EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA STRAIGHTEN OUT COLOR AND VILLAGE PARKWAY WHEN WE HAVE A, THE BRIDGE LANDING.
OR DO WE, ARE WE POSITIVE THIS IS ARRANGED SUCH THAT WE WILL NOT BE NEEDING TO BUY RIGHT AWAY FROM THEM FOR ANY REASON OR WE'VE CONSIDERED WHAT THE INTERSECTION IS GONNA LOOK LIKE ONCE THIS ROAD IS STRAIGHTENED OUT? I'M, I'M, AGAIN, WE'VE FULLY AWARE THAT THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE SOME REALIGNMENT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE DONE FULL DESIGN ON THIS YET, BUT I DON'T, I GUESS I WOULD JUST CAUTION US TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE INTERSECTIONS 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MAJOR THROUGH FAIR HERE.
AND IF WE CAN PREVENT HAVING TO PURCHASE RIGHT AWAY OR CHANGE THESE LINES AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
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OF, UH, VILLAGE PARKWAY, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BEND FURTHER TO THE EAST, SO AWAY FROM THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT.SO I DO NOT ANTICIPATE, UM, IMPACTS FROM THAT FUTURE INTER THAT NEW LOCATION OF THE INTERSECTION TO IMPACT THIS.
I ACTUALLY ANTICIPATE A LITTLE MORE ROOM, UM, AROUND THAT LOT FOUR AREA.
AND THEN, BUT WHERE THE MCCUNE AVENUE COMES OUT, WE'RE GOOD THERE.
YOU THINK WHERE IT'S GONNA BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA EXIT ON YES.
IT, BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING IT FURTHER TO THE EAST, I THINK IT'S GOING TO STRAIGHTEN IT OUT AND MAKE THAT ACTUAL SPACING A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
THANK YOU FOR THINKING ABOUT THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I HAVE ONE, JENNY, AND IT, IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE PIGGYBACKS OFF OF WHAT AMY WAS SAYING.
IT'S JUST FUTURE, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TO DO WITH THIS PLATT, BUT, UM, BRIDGE STREET REQUIRES GATEWAY FEATURES AT SIGNIFICANT INTERSECTIONS.
THIS WILL BECOME ONE OF THOSE, I THINK, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT GATEWAY FEATURE AT THE END OF JOHN SHILLS PARKWAY RIGHT NOW OR IN SOME OF THESE OTHER, UM, AREAS.
BUT I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE AS PLANNING AND ZONING TAKES A LOOK AT THESE FUTURE INTERSECTIONS AND IF WITH ENGINEERING AS WELL, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE GATEWAYS BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT AND THEY, THEY CREATE AN ENTRANCE INTO THE AREA THAT I THINK IS KIND OF, UM, HAS GOOD VALUE.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, JENNY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. REINER? YES.
[Resolution 85-23]
RESOLUTION 85 DASH 23.ACCEPTING THE LOWEST AND BEST BID FOR THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL.
HISTORIC CABIN SITE IMPROVEMENTS? I'LL DO THANK YOU.
STAFF REPORT IS FROM MATT ERMAN.
ME, UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL RESOLUTION 85 23 IS IN REFERENCE TO THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL HISTORIC CABIN SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY BUDGETED IN 2022 INTO THE CIP BUDGET.
THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, WAS $311,045 AND 8 CENTS.
WHEN THE BIDS IN 2022, UH, WE RECEIVED ONLY ONE BID THAT WAS 255% OVER THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE.
UH, SO WE, THE PROJECT WAS REBID AGAIN THIS YEAR.
IRON SIGHT INCORPORATED SUBMITTED THE LOWEST AND BEST BID IN THE AMOUNT OF $341,892 AND 35 CENTS.
UM, APPROXIMATELY 11% OVER THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ON THESE SITE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, YOU'LL RECALL WE INITIATED THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE HISTORIC LOG CABIN ON THE SITE.
UH, THE SLIDE HERE ON THE LEFT, UM, IS THE FRONT SIDE OF THE CABIN ON THE LEFT SIDE FACING NORTHWEST.
THE, UH, SLIDE ON THE RIGHT OR THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS THE SAME, UH, SIDE OF THE CABIN, UH, FACING, UH, SOUTHWEST.
AND YOU'LL SEE THE PILLARS ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE CABIN, WHICH WILL, UM, HOLD A PORCH.
UM, AND THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT WILL BE CONNECTING THE PARKING LOT WITH ADA ACCESSIBLE, UH, PATH SYSTEM.
AND, UM, ADDITIONAL ADA PARKING, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN, UH, INDICATION OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE INSIDE.
THESE ARE PICTURES FROM THE EXISTING CONSTRUCTION SITE.
IT'S A RATHER EXCITING PROJECT.
UM, IT IS COMING TOGETHER NICELY.
CERTAINLY IT HAS CHALLENGES WITH SITE AND, AND, UH, WOOD LOGS THAT ARE, ARE THIS OLD.
UH, BUT IT IS COMING ALONG NICELY AND WE EXPECT THIS PROJECT TO BE COMPLETED, UM, IN EARLY 2024.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF IDEA OF THE ENTIRE SITE PLAN OR THE CAMPUS FOR, UH, THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, UH, THE, THE NUMBER ONE, THE NUMERIC NUMBER ONE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN IS RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
THE NUMBER TWO IS THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL BUILDING THAT EXISTS.
UH, NUMBER THREE IS THE HISTORIC CABIN ITSELF.
AND NUMBER FOUR REPRESENTS THE PATHWAY THAT WILL BE CONNECTING THE, UH, PARKING LOT, UM, UH, TO THE CABIN.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE SECTION FIVE, THERE IS ADDITIONAL ADA PARKING TO MEET THE NEEDS AND AND REQUIREMENTS TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, THE SITE.
SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, COUNCIL APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 85 23, ACCEPTING THE LOWEST AND BEST BID RECEIVED FROM IRON SITE, INCORPORATED IN THE AMOUNT OF $341,892 AND 35 CENTS,
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AND AUTHORIZING IN THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH IRONSIDE INCORPORATED FOR THESE SERVICES.I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MATT, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT QUESTIONS FOR MATT? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
I KNOW WE HAD RECEIVED A STATE GRANT, LIKE 200,000 MAYBE.
UM, IS THAT ALL SPENT ALREADY? THAT WAS THE RECONSTRUCTION PART OF IT OR DO WE HAVE MONEY LEFT? WE WILL BE SUBMITTING, UM, THE EXPENSES FOR THE CABINET, WHICH ARE IN EXCESS OF THE $400,000 GRANT THAT WE WERE AWARDED, WE'RE REQUIRED TO MATCH 50% OF THAT.
SO, UM, THOSE, THOSE FUNDS WILL BE, UM, NOT AVAILABLE FOR THIS PROJECT.
MATT, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S A LITTLE UNIQUE.
WAS IT TRUE THAT THIS CABIN HAD A BASEMENT? UM, I THOUGHT, YEAH, I, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A LITTLE UNIQUE CABIN IN THAT, UH, THERE'S SOME TALK FROM TOM HOLTON AND SOME OTHERS THAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A TRADING POST AND THAT'S WHY IT HAD AN UNDERSIDE THAT THEY KEPT ICE IN TO KEEP COOL THE PRODUCTS THAT THEY WERE.
DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? UM, WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS ALL I KNOW.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE, IT'S INTERESTING.
IT'D BE JUST KIND OF INTERESTING.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION AS TO EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS USED FOR, BUT YOU CAN SEE BY THE PICTURES HERE, THERE IS AN ACTUAL BASEMENT MM-HMM.
UM, IT'S A WALKOUT BASEMENT NOW.
IT, IT ORIGINALLY WAS NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE OF THIS TERRAIN.
AND THEN THE MAIN FLOOR WILL HAVE TWO MAIN ROOMS IN IT, AND THEN THERE'LL BE AN UPSTAIRS TO IT THAT WON'T BE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, BUT IT'LL BE TO THE SAME CONFIGURATION AS THE ORIGINAL.
I ONLY BRING IT UP BECAUSE WE HAVE A, A FEW OTHER CABINS AROUND THAT ARE JUST THE TYPICAL PIONEER CABIN, BUT THERE'S SOME THINKING THAT THIS ONE, BECAUSE IT HAD, UM, A BASEMENT THAT ISN'T TRADITIONAL, THAT THEY USED IT AT THE TIME TO PUT ICE IN TO KEEP THE FURS OR WHATEVER, FOOD STUFFS COLD AT THE TIME.
AND SO THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE DISCOVERY, I GUESS I WOULD SAY.
AND THAT'S THE WAY WE UNDERSTAND IT TODAY.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO RESEARCH ON IT BECAUSE THE INTERPRETATION OF THIS CABIN WOULD BE VERY FUN TO, IT WILL BE EXPLORE A LITTLE FURTHER FOR SURE.
UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? JENNY RO PLEASE? MAYOR FOX.
[OTHER BUSINESS]
BUSINESS.THIS EVENING, OUR FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS A RECOMMENDATION CONCERNING AWARDING THE 2024 HOTEL MOTEL TAX GRANTS.
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AS PART OF THE 2024 OPERATING BUDGET ADOPTED THIS EVENING, CITY COUNCIL IS BUDGETING $225,000 FOR HOTEL MOTEL TAX GRANTS TO BE AWARDED TO COMMUNITY GROUPS.
WE RECEIVED 24 APPLICATIONS FOR THE 2024 APPLICATION PERIOD.
SIX OF THESE ARE NEW EVENTS OR PROJECTS IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
ON YOUR SCREEN IS THE PROPOSED ALLOCATION OF FUNDS FOR THE 2024 APPLICANTS.
UH, THIS INFORMATION WAS ALSO IN YOUR PACKET FOR REVIEW AHEAD OF THE MEETING THIS EVENING BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
THE FINANCE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THE PROPOSED FUNDING ALLOCATION BE ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AT THE MEETING THIS EVENING, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? LINDSAY? ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR EMILY THIS EVENING? NO QUESTIONS.
I WANTED TO THANK STAFF AND EMILY IN PARTICULAR.
WE WENT ROUND AND ROUND ON THIS.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF CREATING A RUBRIC FOR OURSELVES TO HELP GUIDE US THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF'S PATIENCE.
UM, IT WAS CERTAINLY A UNIQUE PROCESS IN, UH, COMPARED TO PREVIOUS YEARS.
AND THE REASON THAT WE NEEDED TO CHANGE THE PROCESS WAS BECAUSE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE HAD FAR MORE REQUESTS THAN WE'VE HAD BUDGET FOR IT, WHICH WAS REALLY PREVIOUSLY NOT THE CASE.
UM, SO I REALLY APPRECIATED ALL THE WORK THAT STAFF PUT INTO IT.
UM, AND I'M EXCITED TO, TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO THE BALANCE OF COUNSEL.
UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE? I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS AND AWARD THE 2024 HOTEL MOTEL TAX GRANTS ACCORDINGLY.
JENNY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MS. CRAM? YES.
AND, UH, WEST DUB PASSENGER RAIL STATION STUDY UPDATE IS NEXT, AND OUR STAFF REPORT IS FROM OUR DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY.
GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO, UM, BRING FORWARD THE, AH, THERE
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WE GO.UH, THE PROGRESS OF THE WEST DUBLIN PASSENGER RAIL STATION STUDY.
UH, WE DO HAVE A FEW DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR YOU THIS EVENING THAT WE WOULD LIKE SOME GUIDANCE ON, UM, AS TO THE DIRECTION AND HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE STUDY.
I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY OUR CONSULTANT TEAM, UM, MEHA SINHA, WHO IS OUR PROJECT MANAGER FROM NBBJ, AND ALSO JARED LOVE FROM WSP, WHO, UM, IS WORKING ON THE TRANSPORTATION PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
UM, AND MEGHA, IN ADDITION TO BEING THE, UH, PROJECT MANAGER, IS ALSO WORKING ON THE VISIONING AND THE PLANNING PORTION OF THE STUDY.
AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO MEGHA SO THAT SHE CAN LEAD US THROUGH THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO DATE.
GOOD EVENING, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY IS TO DEVELOP A VISION PLAN FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE WEST DUBLIN PASSENGER RAIL STATION, A STATE-OF-THE-ART MULTIMODAL PASSENGER RAIL STATION, LOCATED ON APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED ACRE OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
AND TO ASSESS LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS AT THE PERIPHERY OF WEST DUBLIN.
UM, THIS STUDY WILL SUPPORT POSITIONING DUBLIN AS A POTENTIAL AND FEASIBLE STATION LOCATION WITHIN THE CONVERSATION AROUND DEVELOPING NEW INTERCITY PASSENGER RAIL STATION FOR CENTRAL OHIO.
THE PLANNING PROCESS BEGAN IN FEBRUARY OF 2023.
UH, THE FIRST PHASE OF THE PLANNING STUDY HAS FOCUSED ON SITE ANALYSIS, DEVELOPING SITE AREA PLAN SCENARIOS FOR FUTURE LAND USERS, TRANSPORTATION AND STATION LOCATIONS, AND SEEKING STAKEHOLDER AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK.
THE SECOND AND CONCLUDING PHASE OF THE STUDY WILL FOCUS ON REFINING SITE DEVELOPMENT, STATION DESIGN, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE PROJECT GOALS SET OUT TO, UM, AT THE BEGINNING WERE TO EVALUATE THE A HUNDRED ACRE SITE FOR AN AMTRAK PASSENGER RAIL STATION, ANALYZE THE LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS IN THE STUDY AREA, DEVELOP A LAND USE FRAMEWORK, UNIFIED WITH THE ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE WHILE PRESERVING AND EXPLORING FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE AREA.
DEVELOPING A CONSENSUS FOR A FUTURE FORWARD PASSENGER RA UH, PASSENGER RAIL AREA PLAN VISION BY ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY AND KEY STAKEHOLDERS FOR THEIR FEEDBACK, CONCEPTUALIZING THE LOOK FEE LOOK AND FEEL AND SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE PASSENGER RAIL STATION.
AND TO IDENTIFY KEY INFRASTRUCTURE ELEMENTS NEEDED TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, THREE SITES WERE IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIAL LOCATIONS, UM, FOR STATIONS IN DUBLIN.
THE SITES WERE COMPARED BASED ON OWNERSHIP COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING LAND USERS AND BEST ALIGNMENT WITH AMTRAK PRO UH, PRACTICES.
SITE A ON SONYA LEFT OF THE SCREEN, A SITE A IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
THIS SITE PROVIDES THE BEST STATION SPACING AS IT IS LOCATED FARTHEST AWAY FROM THE DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS STATION, AND WILL CAPTURE MORE OF AN OUTER NORTHWEST CORRIDOR SURROUNDING UNDEVELOPED LAND PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNED INDUSTRIAL AND INNOVATION DISTRICT LAND USERS PROVIDE ACCESS TO A FUTURE WORKFORCE THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH ABSTRACT STATION CRITERIA.
PART OF THE SITE, HOWEVER, IS OUTSIDE DUBLIN'S CURRENT EXPANSION AND PUBLIC SERVICE AREA.
WHILE THIS IS A LARGER SITE AND IS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCES TO WELL-DEVELOPED COMMUNITIES, THE CITY OF DUBLIN OWNS A VERY LIMITED FRONTAGE, UM, AT THE RAIL LINE AT THIS LOCATION, MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO FIT THE NEEDED STATION.
UM, ELEMENTS HERE, UM, SURROUNDING LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USERS ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT NEEDED TO SUPPORT AMTRAK.
FURTHER, WE BELIEVE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS ARE UNLIKELY TO SUPPORT MIXED USE AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, SITE C, THIS SITE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CATALYZE MIXED USE VILLAGE CENTER DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE LAD IS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
IT IS CLOSES TO THE DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS STATION, WHICH DOES NOT SUPPORT AMTRAK STATION BECAUSE THEY REQUIRE, UM, LARGER SPACING.
DOD OR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT FITS WELL WITH EXISTING SPECIAL AREA PLAN, BUT NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS ARE UNLIKELY TO SUPPORT MIXED USE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THIS LOCATION.
SO SITE A, WHICH IS THE FIRST ONE I TALKED ABOUT, UM, ON THE LEFT OF YOUR SCREEN, THE APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED ACRES CITY ON SITE, UM, AT, UH, 1 61 AND WEST HOCHER ROAD, UM, WAS MEANT TO BE THE PREFERRED SITE TO LOCATE, UM, STATE-OF-THE-ART MULTIMODAL PASSENGER RAIL STATION.
SO, UM, WHEN WE HONE ON THE SITE, UM, THIS STUDY AREA IN, IN, UH, INCLUDES A ONE MILE RADIUS AROUND THE SITE.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SITE AND THE ONE MILE AREA AROUND IT.
IT REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT AND THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT OF THE COMMUNITY PLANT STUDY AREA.
THE PLANNING STUDY FOR THE WEST PASSENGER RAIL STATION WILL INFORM THIS AREA OF DUBLIN AND ADJOINING JURISDICTIONS, UNION COUNTY, MADISON COUNTY, FRANKLIN COUNTY, AND JEROME TOWNSHIP DERBY, AND WASHINGTON TOWNSHIPS
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IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LARGER ENVISION DUBLIN PROCESS.FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE SITE IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT COMMUTED PLAN AND IS ANTICIPATED TO BE AN OUTCOME OF THIS STUDY.
THIS WORK WILL BE AN INPUT INTO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR WESTERN EDGE OF DUBLIN.
SO A PASSENGER RAIL STATION IN THIS, IN THIS SITE HIGHLIGHTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP A BROADER MOBILITY STRATEGY BEYOND RAIL STATION.
THE LINKAS NORTHWEST CORRIDOR IS PLANNED TO EXTEND TO THE OHIO UNIVERSITY CAMPUS ON STATE ROUTE 1 61.
THE LINKAS LINE COULD EXTEND ANOTHER MILE WEST TO CONNECT TO THE PASSENGER RAIL STATION COMBINED WITH THE DUBLIN CONNECTED SERVICE.
THIS SITE ESTABLISHES A MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION HUB IN THE CENTER OF A GROWING AREA AND ON A MAJOR REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR.
UH, BOTH STATE ROUTE 1 61 AND HUARD ROAD HAVE AT GREAT RAIL CROSSINGS THAT APPROXIMATE THE PROJECT SITE.
AS PART OF THE LONG-TERM GROWTH OF THIS AREA, GREAT SEPARATED CROSSINGS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO ACCOMMODATE A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE ON THE RAIL LINE ROADWAYS.
AND TO PROMOTE SAFETY IN THE CURRENT
GENERALLY FOLLOWING THE HOCHER ROAD ALIGNMENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE RAIL STATION SITE, THE PLACEMENT OF THE, UM, CROSSING, UH, FOR TUNNEL CROSSING BOULEVARD SHOULD BE REEXAMINED TO DETERMINE THE BEST LOCATION FOR CONTINUITY THROUGH PLAIN CITY, MADISON COUNTY AND BEYOND.
SO OUR TEAM HAS DEVELOPED A RANGE OF SLIDE PLAN SCENARIOS THAT CONSIDER SHORT AND LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND EXISTING AND FU KEEPING EXISTING AND FUTURE CONTEXT IN MIND.
FOUR CONCEPTUAL LAND USE OPTIONS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED TO EXPLORE THIS POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES.
OPTION A, UM, FLEX SPACE, LOW MEDIUM DENSITY IS THE OPTION THAT IS AN EXPANSION OF LAND USE PATTERNS THAT ARE TO THE EAST OF THE SITES CROSBY COURT AND, UM, THE VA DATA AREA, WHICH COULD INCLUDE LARGER FORMAT FLEX BUILDINGS, ACCOMMODATING OFFICE WAREHOUSE LOGISTICS AND ADVANCED MANUFACTURING SPACES.
OPTION B FLEX R AND D MEDIUM DENSITY.
THIS OPTION ALSO CONSIDERS FLEX SPACE, BUT AT A VARIETY OF BUILDING SCALES.
THIS OPTION COULD BE, COULD LEVERAGE THE VISIBILITY FROM STATE ROUTE 1 61.
UM, MIXED USE MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY.
THIS OPTION ACCOMMODATES A MIX OF USERS INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL AT A MEDIUM TO HIGH INTENSITY.
IT SHOWS A MIX OF USERS WITH DIFFERENT LAND USERS ACROSS THE SITE SUPPORTED BY SURFACE PARKING LOTS.
SO MORE OF A HORIZONTAL MIXED USE OPTION D, WHICH IS MIXED USE, HIGH DENSITY.
THIS OPTION ALSO ACCOMMODATES MIXED USE AND RESIDENTIAL, BUT A HIGH DENSITY WHICH COULD REFLECT THAT OF BRIDGE PARK.
THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE STRUCTURED PARKING INPUT HAS BEEN RECEIVED ON THESE SCENARIOS, UM, THROUGH THE ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN PROCESS, AS WELL AS ENGAGING EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS SUCH AS THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, OHIO RAIL DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, THE MID-OHIO REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE FEEDBACK INDICATED OVERALL SUPPORT FOR THE PASSENGER RAIL.
UM, THE FEEDBACK ALSO SAYS, UH, THAT, UH, THAT CONSTITUENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS AREA FIT INTO THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT AND BE INCLUSIVE OF AMENITIES.
AND THERE'S A PREFERENCE FOR THE SITE TO SERVE AS THE CENTER OF THE NORTHWEST AREA.
UM, IN THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED, OPTION B WAS, UM, UH, OFTEN CITED AS A PREFERRED OPTION.
SO, UM, IN ALL THE LAND USE OPTIONS, THE ROADWAY AND OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK ARE FAIRLY CONSISTENT.
THE OPEN SPACE PROPOSED AT THE CENTER OF THE SITE IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE THE PLACEMAKING ELEMENT THAT CREATES A SETTING FOR THE PASSENGER RAIL STATION, SUPPORTS HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND SERVES AS AN AMENITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROJECT ON THE SCREEN IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN AMTRAK TRAIN STATION IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT INCLUDES MULTIPLE MODES LIKE LOCAL REGIONAL BUS SERVICES, PAT TRANSIT SERVICES, COMMUTER RAIL SERVICES, PROPOSED BRT, UM, RIDESHARE BIKE SHARE, AS WELL AS TRANSIT, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, AIR TRAVEL COULD ALSO BE ACCOMMODATED IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THE NEXT PHASE OF THE STUDY WILL INCORPORATE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS INTO THE LARGER ENVISION DUBLIN FRAMEWORK, AS WELL AS INFORM DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND FUTURE LAND USE IN THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY NETWORKS WILL BE INTEGRATED INTO THE
STATION DETAILS AND THE PREFERRED SITE LAYOUT WILL BE DEVELOPED.
CAPITAL INVESTMENTS WILL BE IDENTIFIED AND ADDITIONAL DETAILS REGARDING TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY NETWORKS, WHICH WILL ALL CONCLUDE WITH SITE DESIGN AND RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE SUMMER OF 2024.
SO WITH THAT, UM, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
THE PROJECT TEAM AND STAFF ARE SEEKING FEEDBACK ON THE FOLLOWING DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.
UM, LINDSAY, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, THIS IS, UH, TIME TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS HERE AND, UH, SEE IF WE CAN'T GIVE SOME ANSWERS.
SO, UM, WHY DON'T WE START OUT WITH, UH, THE LAND USE OPTIONS, UM, TO TALK ABOUT WHICH ONES WE PREFER FOR THE SITE, WHETHER
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THEY'RE FLEX, INNOVATION, HOTEL, RETAIL AND OR RESIDENTIAL.SO WE'LL START WITH ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED.
SO, UM, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF A HOTEL NEXT TO A RAIL LINE.
UM, THIS AREA IS PRIME FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, LIGHT MANUFACTURING FLEX OFFICE.
SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT I WOULD LEAN.
AMY, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I ACTUALLY FAVOR A HOTEL BECAUSE THIS IS PASSENGER A, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS TO CHICAGO OR COME IN TOWN AND, AND THEY'RE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE TRAIN SCHEDULE IS, THEY'RE GONNA NEED A PLACE TO STAY FOR THE NIGHT AND THEY MIGHT COME EARLY AND STAY FOR THE NIGHT AND TAKE THE TRAIN IN THE MORNING.
UM, SO I THINK, UH, A HOTEL IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS NEEDS.
I DO NOT THINK THERE SHOULD BE PERMANENT HOUSING NEXT TO THE RAIL STATION.
UM, BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THIS VERY CONVENIENT FOR TRAVEL.
JUST LIKE THERE'S ALWAYS A HOTEL AT AN AIRPORT.
UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE A PLACE FOR SOMEONE TO STAY NEXT TO IT.
YEAH, I THINK, UH, THIS SITE SORT OF MISSING THE OFF RAIL WHERE YOU GET INTO, UM, SORT OF COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE DESIGNED THIS JUST SO IT'S SORT OF A RESIDENTIAL, UH, THING.
BUT I THINK PART OF THIS WOULD END UP WITH, UH, SIDE, UH, RAILS.
SO YOU COULD DROP CARS OFF TO HAVE 'EM UNLOADED SO YOU'RE MORE, UH, AND YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT'S A BIG PART OF THE FUTURE.
NEXT THING I WAS THINKING IS, UM, THIS SITE PROBABLY SHOULD INCLUDE THE NEW, UM, IF, IF YOU ARE DREAMING AND WE ARE RIGHT NOW, UH, PROBABLY THIS ELECTRIC, UH, AIR HELICOPTER THING, IT'S COMING IN.
SO THERE SHOULD BE AN AREA THERE.
SO IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN FROM CHICAGO AND YOU HAVE TO GO OVER TO INTEL OR SOME OTHER PART OF THE CITY OR DOWNTOWN, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE, UH, MAKEUP OF THIS.
SO, AND THEN ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SIGHTINGS WHERE THE RAILS COME IN AND THEY DROP CARS THAT HAVE, UH, MANUFACTURED GOODS IN 'EM FROM CHICAGO OR OTHER PLACES AND THEY'RE UNLOADED AND OFFLOADED.
SO I THINK THAT'S SORT OF GONNA BE PART OF THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON KATHY? UM, I GUESS I WOULD BE, UM, SORT OF OPTION B OR MAYBE CI, I THINK TWO THINGS.
WE'D WANT IT TO BE UNIQUE, SO WHATEVER CONFIGURATION ALLOWS US TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT THE OTHER RAIL THE RAIL RAIL STOPS DON'T HAVE, UM, WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I THINK ABOUT, UM, I LIKE TO TRAVEL BY TRAIN.
ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK ABOUT, UM, IN MY EXPERIENCES IN A LOT OF THAT IS MORE EUROPEAN THAN IN THE US JUST I'VE, I LIVED IN BOSTON, SO I WOULD GO UP AND DOWN THE COAST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IS THAT YOU WANNA HAVE RESTAURANTS, YOU WANNA HAVE PLACES TO, TO GATHER SORT OF LIKE THE SLEEPING YOU, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA BE WAITING THERE.
SO YOU, YOU WANT IT TO FEEL GOOD.
SO WHAT WHATEVER CONFIGURATION WOULD SATISFY BOTH THE, THE, THE PASSENGER, IF YOU WILL, AND REALLY THINK HARD ABOUT THAT AND BE UNIQUE.
I MEAN, UH, THIS'LL BE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET OFF THE TRAIN, THIS IS YOUR FIRST FOR SOME PEOPLE EXPERIENCE.
AND SO SOME THINGS THAT ARE UNUSUAL I THINK WOULD BE INCREDIBLY INTERESTING.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO NOT NECESSARILY STAY IN A BOX OF MIXED USE, NOT MIXED USE, BUT UNIQUE, CONVENIENT, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST INTERESTING FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.
YEAH, I, I AGREE, KATHY, WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK UNIQUE AND INTERESTING IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF A HOTEL SOMEPLACE FOR FOLKS TO STAY.
I'M NOT SUPER IN LOVE WITH THE IDEA OF RESIDENTIAL, ESPECIALLY SUPER CLOSE.
UM, PUSHING THAT FURTHER BACK MIGHT BE OKAY.
I'D REALLY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER.
BUT I THINK FOR ME, ONE OF THE REALLY CRITICAL PIECES IS BEING ABLE TO SUPPORT MULTIMODAL FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND IT COULD BE DRONES, IT COULD BE WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
BUT I THINK SUPPORTING MULTIMODAL FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION IS GONNA BE SUPER CRITICAL.
AND I, I DO THINK THAT POTENTIALLY HAVING SOME KIND OF OPEN SPACE OR, UM, SOME KIND OF VERY FEEL GOOD PLACEMAKING KIND OF A THING IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN WALKING INTO ANY KIND OF A TRANSPORTATION HUB THAT FEELS EITHER VERY STERILE OR VERY GRUNGY.
SO, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY WELCOMING AND OPEN.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, TO KATHY'S POINT IS REALLY UNIQUE, I THINK WOULD BE, UM, WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THIS.
UM, I WOULD SUPPORT REEVALUATING THE ALIGNMENT OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD.
'CAUSE I WOULDN'T WANNA DO IT TWICE.
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I GUESS THAT ABOUT DOES IT, SHOULD THE SITE INCORPORATE PARK PROGRAM SPACE? YEAH, I ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.I I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A, A REALLY GREAT EXERCISE AND THIS IS A REALLY GOOD WORK DONE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD PICK ANY OF THEM.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DEMONSTRATE OUR OPENNESS TO ALL OF THEM AND, AND, AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESPOND.
YOU KNOW, AND I I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS THAT COMES OUT OF THIS IS THAT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.
AND SO WE'VE ALREADY PUT IT OUT THERE THAT WE ARE PREPARED TO DO THIS AND THAT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF IT, AND WE ARE TRYING TO ENTER INTO THIS SPACE WITH ALL, ALL OF OUR WEAR, ALL OF OUR WARES, LIKE WE'RE ALL IN WE.
AND SO, UM, IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING A RAIL STOP HERE, AND IF LINK US IS SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THEIR BRT DONE, IT WILL PROFOUNDLY CHANGE THIS PORTION OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THE QUESTION THAT WE POSED THE RESIDENTS AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS, IT SHOULD FIT INTO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THAT AREA IS GOING TO BE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT JUST BECAUSE IT HAPPENED.
AND SO IT'S A GREAT THING THAT WE ASKED THEM THE QUESTION, UM, BUT IT, WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO FIT, IT FIT INTO THE AREA AS IT STANDS NOW.
WE REALLY ARE ASKING THEM TO FIT INTO THE AREA THAT IT HOPEFULLY WILL BE.
AND SO, AGAIN, I THIS IS GREAT WORK.
I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE US TO MAKE NO DECISIONS, UM, BECAUSE THAT WILL GIVE US A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE OR ANYTHING THAT, BUT I, I JUST THINK IT'S TO, TO REMAIN NIMBLE AND TO REMAIN ABLE TO RESPOND.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WERE TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE CORRIDOR ID THING, AND IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU, MAYBE IT WOULD BE AMTRAK, BUT MAYBE IT WOULD BE BRIGHT LINE, MAYBE IT WOULD BE SOME OTHER PROVIDER.
AND SO, UM, AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO COMPETE FOR THE STOP.
AND IF WE'VE ALREADY SET A STAKE IN THE GROUND AND THEY DON'T LIKE IT, THEN THAT IS A STRIKE AGAINST US.
BUT IF WE HAVE JUST SAID, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE OPEN TO, LET'S HAVE THE CONVERSATION, THEN I THINK THAT PUTS US IN A DIFFERENT SPACE.
SO, UM, YES IS MY ANSWER AND NO AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT, UM, SO FOR THE SECOND QUESTION ABOUT INCORPORATING A PARK PROGRAM SPACE, YES.
LOTS OF RE RESIDENTIAL YES TO NO HOTEL.
IT, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR WHATEVER THE DEMAND MIGHT BE.
UM, THE REALIGNMENT OF TOTAL CROSSING.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK THAT MIGHT MAKE US MORE COMPETITIVE.
UM, I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT MEETINGS IN, IN A MINUTE, BUT, UM, I THINK THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE IN THE AREA AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CONTRIBUTING INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO THE DECISION MAKERS THAT WILL ULTIMATELY, UM, EITHER BLESS OR NOT BLESS THAT.
UM, AND OTHER ASPECTS FOR US TO CONSIDER.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO KEEP CONSIDERING.
I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP BEING CURIOUS AND WE NEED TO KEEP LEARNING.
UM, MY THOUGHTS ARE, UM, IT'S EXCITING TO THINK THAT THIS NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR MOBILITY COULD BE PART OF THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY.
SO TO ME, I THINK, OKAY, WHO'S GONNA USE IT? UM, WE'VE GOT OU OUT THERE, STUDENTS, FAMILIES COMING IN, UM, PEOPLE COMING IN FROM LARGE CITIES.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, THAT WE DO KEEP A, A WIDE OPEN IDEA ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT WHO WILL USE IT.
WHAT'S THE OBJECTIVES OF THIS? THE LAST MILE TO ME IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, I AGREE WITH, UM, JOHN, ABOUT THE PERSONAL AIR VEHICLES.
THEY'RE ALREADY HAPPENING IN TEXAS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO, IF YOU, IF YOU EVEN GOOGLE TRAIN STATIONS OF THE FUTURE, YOU'LL FIND THAT THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE ANYTHING LIKE THE TRAIN STATIONS IN THE PAST.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE A A VIBRANT, FUN PLACE TO GO FROM AND TO COME BACK TO.
AND ONCE YOU GET OFF THE OFF THE TRAIN, YOU REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE A PLACE TO EITHER SHOP, TO EAT, TO REST, TO VISIT, TO RELAX.
UM, I THINK THE PLACEMAKING OF IT, AS CHRIS SAID, IT HAS TO BE UNIQUE AND IT HAS TO BE COMFORTABLE.
IT WILL FIT IN TO THE SURROUNDINGS BECAUSE IT WILL BE THAT ATTRACTIVE AND IT WON'T BE AN OLD TRAIN STATION THAT'S NOISY.
UM, I THINK, UM, LIKE ONCE AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHO WOULD USE IT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE T CROSSING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
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I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY, UM, ESSENTIAL THAT THE AESTHETICS OF IT ARE ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE IT WILL, UM, IN THE END INVITE PEOPLE FROM LARGER REGIONS TO COME AND FIND OUT WHAT DUBLIN IS ABOUT AND TO UTILIZE ALL OF THE SERVICES AND ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL AND THE COMMERCE.AND I THINK IT'LL GROW THE ECONOMY HERE, BUT IT HAS TO BE A SPECIAL PLACE.
CAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US THAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN, YOU DID NOT RECEIVE ANSWERS TO ON YOUR QUESTIONS? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
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IS, UH, STAFF COMMENTS FROM MEGAN.I HOPE EVERYONE HAD A NICE THANKSGIVING.
WE'D LIKE TO INVITE EVERYONE TO THE CITY'S ANNUAL TREE LIGHTING EVENT THIS YEAR.
THE EVENT MOVES BACK TO KAUFMAN PARK.
THE FREE EVENT WILL TAKE PLACE THIS THURSDAY FROM FIVE TO SEVEN NEAR THE KAUFMAN PARK PAVILION.
SANTA AND MRS. CLAUS WILL MAKE AN APPEARANCE TO OFFICIALLY LIGHT THE TREE AT 6:40 PM AND THE OFFICIAL TREE THIS YEAR IS A REAL TREE THAT IS FONDLY KNOWN AS THE HEADLEY TREE.
AND THAT TREE WAS NAMED YEARS AGO AFTER FORMER MAYOR CATHERINE HEADLEY.
WE ARE THRILLED TO SHARE THAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN HAS SECURED A PERFECT SCORE OF 100 FOR THE SECOND CONSECUTIVE YEAR ON THE 2023 MUNICIPAL EQUALITY INDEX, OR MEI BY THE HUMAN RIGHTS CAMPAIGN.
THIS ACCOLADE UNDERSCORES OUR COMMITMENT TO INCLUSIVITY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AS REFLECTED IN OUR LAWS, OUR POLICIES AND SERVICES.
AND DUBLIN STANDS OUT AS ONE OF ONLY EIGHT OHIO'S CITIES EVALUATED, EMPHASIZING HOW THE CITY FOSTERS A SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENT.
THE EVALUATION ENCOMPASSES KEY CATEGORIES SUCH AS NON-DISCRIMINATION LAWS, THE MUNICIPALITY AS AN EMPLOYER, MUNICIPAL SERVICES, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND LEADERSHIP ON EQUALITY.
AND OUT OF THE 506 CITIES EVALUATED NATIONWIDE, ONLY 129 CITIES ACHIEVED A PERFECT SCORE OF 100.
AS WE CONTINUE OUR FOCUS ON DEI INITIATIVES, WE ASPIRE TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE ALL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS FEEL WELCOME IN OUR CITY AND RESPECTED.
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL FOR YOUR ONGOING SUPPORT OF THESE PIVOTAL EFFORTS.
SASAKI ASSOCIATES IS MEETING WITH METRO CENTER STAKEHOLDERS DECEMBER 5TH AND SIXTH TO DISCUSS THE FUTURE OF THE OFFICE DISTRICT.
IN ADDITION TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDE PROPERTY AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATIVES IN THE AREA.
THE CONSULTANT WILL PROVIDE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION AND OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT, INCLUDING BACKGROUND OF THE SASAKI CONSULTANT TEAM, A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT OBJECTIVES AND THE PROJECT PROCESS AND SCHEDULE, WHICH WILL HIGHLIGHT KEY MILESTONES.
THE FOCUS OF EACH MEETING WILL BE TO LISTEN AND DISCUSS EACH STAKEHOLDER, THEIR STRATEGY, UM, FOR THEIR OWN PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THEIR ASPIRATIONS FOR THE ENTIRE METRO CENTER DISTRICT.
THE STAKEHOLDER INPUT WILL PROVIDE IMPORTANT INSIGHT INTO OPPORTUNITIES AND CONSULTANTS AND HELP INFORM SUBSEQUENT STEPS OF THE PROJECT.
ADDITIONAL COUNSEL AND STAKEHOLDER INPUT IS TO BE SCHEDULED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT PROCESS.
THE DCRC REFRESH MASTER PLAN PROJECT IS ENTERING PHASE TWO, WHICH TAKES THE FEEDBACK FROM ALL PUBLIC COMMENT AND STAFF INPUT EFFORTS AND TRANSLATES THAT FEEDBACK INTO FLOOR PLAN STUDIES AND INITIAL SCOPES OF WORK BASED ON THE DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED.
THESE STUDIES WILL BE PRESENTED AT THE NEXT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING.
TO DATE, ONE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING HAS BEEN CONDUCTED AND WE'VE RECEIVED 127 PUBLIC COMMENTS VIA THE TELL DUBLIN LINK.
THIS WEEK STAFF WILL CONDUCT ADDITIONAL FOCUS GROUPS TO COLLECT SPECIFIC USER GROUP FEEDBACK.
ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN A COUNCIL FOCUS GROUP SHOULD CONTACT TRACY G, DIRECTOR OF RECREATIONAL SERVICES.
THE NEXT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING IS DECEMBER 6TH AT 6:00 PM IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
AND ADDITIONALLY, THE TELL DUBLIN LINK FOR PUBLIC FEEDBACK REMAINS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE DCRC WEBSITE.
AFTER SUCCESSFULLY PILOTING AN AUTONOMOUS MOWER NAMED LIGHTNING MO QUEEN AT CITY HALL, STAFF HAS PURCHASED TWO ADDITIONAL LARGER ROBOTIC MOWERS TO ASSIST WITH MAINTENANCE AT AVERY PARK.
STAFF ARE WORKING TO FINE TUNE THE MOWERS AND ESTABLISH THE BOUNDARIES WITHIN THE PARK FOR A FULL DEPLOYMENT THAT'S SET FOR THE SPRING.
AND THESE NEW AUTONOMOUS MOWERS WILL HELP US ON OUR PATH TOWARDS CARBON NEUTRALITY AND WILL ALSO REDUCE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH CONTRACT WORK IN THE FUTURE.
AND FINALLY, TONIGHT IS ROBERT RANCH'S LAST EVENING.
UM, IT'S HIS LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND ROBERT HAS
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ACCEPTED A POSITION AS CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF SALINA, TEXAS, WHICH HAS BEEN HIS LONG-TERM GOAL.HIS LAST DAY WITH US IS DECEMBER 1ST.
ROBERT HAS CERTAINLY MADE A STRONG IMPACT ON THE CITY AND HAS ACCOMPLISHED A GREAT DEAL IN HIS OVER TWO YEARS WITH THE CITY.
WE'RE VERY PROUD OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
WE WISH HIM WELL AS HE EMBARKS ON HIS NEW JOURNEY.
HE HAS BEEN A VERY DEDICATED, VERY STRONG LEADER, AND HAS LED SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS SUCH AS THE PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN AND PERFORMING ARTS CENTER STUDY.
WE'RE HOSTING A FAREWELL, UM, GATHERING THIS WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AT THE SERVICE CENTER.
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK ROBERT FOR ALL OF HIS WORK DURING HIS TIME AT DUBLIN, AND HE WILL CERTAINLY BE MISSED.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE THIS EVENING.
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NEXT IS OUR LIAISON REPORTS FROM COUNCIL, AND I BELIEVE VICE MAYOR ROOSA MIGHT HAVE AN ENVISIONED DUBLIN REPORT.UM, CHRIS AND I AS MEMBERS OF THE, UM, STEERING COMMITTEE, HAD A MEETING WEEK BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
IT WAS A GREAT MEETING, ACTUALLY, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, RAIL STOPS.
EACH OF THESE SPECIAL AREA PLANS WAS REVIEWED BY THE GROUP, AND THESE ARE GROUPS, AS YOU KNOW, OF, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS, SCHOOLS, RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, DEVELOPERS, ET CETERA, AND PROVIDED FEEDBACK.
SO IT WAS A VERY ROBUST, UM, DISCUSSION AND LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT STEPS FOR THAT.
UH, COUNCILMAN KEELER, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT? ALL RIGHT.
UM, COUNCILMAN REER, VETERANS END.
YEAH, WE'VE GOT, UH, TWO ART SHOWS.
UM, FINISHING UP ON DECEMBER 15TH.
WE HAVE, UH, CHAPTER, SORRY, THE STORY OF COTTON.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL, TEXTILE WORKS AND THE EMERGING, UH, STUDENT ART SHOW.
UH, WE'LL BE FINISHING ALSO ON THE 15TH.
UM, COUNCILMAN AROSE GROOMS, YOU HAVE A MORSE PLANNING AND ZONING, AND IF YOU HAVE OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT ENVISION DOUBLING.
UM, WE HAD, UH, OUR MORSE UM, MEETING A WEEK, UH, IT'LL BE TWO WEEKS AGO THIS COMING THURSDAY.
WE HAD A SPEAKER COME IN TO TALK ABOUT, UM, KIND OF FUTURE OF HOUSING.
AND IT WAS JUST, IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE.
IT WAS A, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, I HAVE SOME OF THE LITERATURE THAT SHE LEFT.
UM, AND IT WAS A GREAT LUNCHEON, GOOD THINGS.
UM, AND THEN IN IN COMMISSION MEETING, WE'VE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT, UH, LINK US AND HOW THAT THE FUNDING FLOW THROUGH IS GOING TO HAPPEN FOR THE FIRST PHASES OF, OF TAKING IT TO THE BALLOT.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN, UM, CODA, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS AND MOR PC, AND THEN THE, THE DESTINATION, UM, DISTRICTS OF WHICH DUBLIN IS ONE.
SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THAT PATH IS GONNA GO, UM, TO, TO TAKING IT TO THE ELECTORATE TO SEE IF THE FUNDS CAN BE SECURED TO, UM, TO PUT IT INTO PRACTICE.
UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
UH, WE HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING THIS COMING THURSDAY, I BELIEVE.
UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'M ENCOURAGED ABOUT IS THE OUTCOMES FROM OUR MOBILE TOURS.
AND I, I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS TIME REALLY WELL SPENT.
I KNOW IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR THE PLANNING STAFF TO LINE THAT ALL UP AND HAVE IT BE A PUBLIC MEETING AND KEEP THE MINUTES AND ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT IS A, IS A BIG EFFORT, BUT I REALLY THINK THERE'S SO MUCH VALUE IN IT.
AND I, I THINK WE'RE ALREADY SEEING SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THAT PAYOFF IN DIVIDENDS IN THE MEETINGS.
AND KATHY DID A GREAT JOB, UM, ON ENVISION DUBLIN.
I I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER.
AND COUNCILMAN KRAMM, WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
UM, THE ONLY, UM, THING I HAVE TO REPORT ON IS, UM, THERE WAS A COMMA MEETING AND WE, I DID HAVE THE PLEASURE.
WE HAD THE PLEASURE OF LISTENING TO SENATOR, SENATOR MICHELLE REYNOLDS, WHO IS TRAVELING THE STATE, UM, QUERYING, UM, MANY, MANY PARTNERS IN THE, UM, DESIRE TO INCREASE HOUSING ACROSS THE STATE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE HAD MENTIONED, UM, SHE ENCOURAGES OUR TESTIMONY AND OUR INPUT.
SHE SAYS, THE STATE DOES NOT WANT TO MANDATE, BUT WANTS TO WORK TOGETHER TO PUT A TOOLKIT TOGETHER FOR GRANTS AND PARTNERSHIPS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, AND TO HAVE OHIO HEALTH PROVIDE RESOURCES.
UM, THERE IS, UM, UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT JUVENILE CRIME.
UM, COMMA IS, IS VERY ACTIVE IN TALKING TO LOCAL JUDGES, UM, CONCERNING, UM, THE INCREASE IN CAR THEFTS, UM, INITIATIVES THAT THEY MIGHT NEED TO PUT IN PLACE TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE JUVENILE OFFENDERS THAT DO NOT REQUIRE INCARCERATION.
THEY'RE INVITING PARTNERS TO COME TO THE TABLE, UH, SCHOOLS, VICTIMS, SOCIAL SERVICES, UH, LOOKING AT PRETRIAL PROGRAMS, UH, DOMESTIC
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STABILIZATION PROGRAMS, AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS LIKE THAT.SO, COMMA, HAD SOME VERY INTERESTING SPEAKERS, AND I JUST WANTED TO FILL YOU IN ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE ALL WISH ROBERT A WONDERFUL FUTURE IN TEXAS, AND WE'LL MISS YOU AND APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THIS CITY WHILE YOU HAVE BEEN HERE.
OH, DID WE NOT DO ROUND? OH, I'M THINKING THAT WE DID ROUND TABLE, SO, NO, WE CAN'T QUIT YET, BUT, BUT HEARTFELT.
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TABLESO, UH, WE WERE WELL REPRESENTED IN PHILADELPHIA AT THE THANKSGIVING DAY PARADE BY ALL THREE HIGH SCHOOLS.
UM, AND IT WAS TELEVISED, BY THE WAY, AND, AND, UH, YOU CAN CATCH THAT ON YOUTUBE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.
BUT I GOTTA IMAGINE NINE CHARTER BUSES, UH, CONVOY, CONVOY OF BUSES GOING FROM, UM, DUBLIN TO NEW YORK TO PHILADELPHIA, AND THEN HOME, ALL EATING AT THE SAME HOTEL AT THE SAME TIME.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THESE, YOU KNOW, POWDERED EGGS AND POTATOES OR WHATEVER.
THEY HAVE LIKE 300 KIDS, BAND KIDS ALL HAVING BREAKFAST AT THE SAME TIME.
I'M GLAD I WASN'T STAYING IN THAT HOTEL.
UM, AND ROBERT, UH, IT'S BEEN REAL BUDDY.
UM, YOU KNOW, JEREMIAH LEFT AND HE CAME TO HIS SENSES, SO MAYBE IN A COUPLE YEARS WE WILL SEE YOU BACK.
HEY, I WANNA INVITE EVERYONE TO REESE ACROSS, UM, AMERICA.
IT'LL BE ON DECEMBER 16TH WHEN WE PUT REESE OUT FOR OUR WAR.
VETERANS AND THE BOY SCOUTS ARE REALLY A GOOD GROUP.
AND, UH, TO YOU AGAIN, ROBERT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.
UH, YOU'RE GONNA BE A GREAT GAME FOR TEXAS AND, UH, WISH YOU WELL IN YOUR FUTURE CAREER.
UH, SPECIAL THANKS TO KENDALL BLAKE FOR EVERYTHING SHE'S DOING WITH THE DEVIL VETERANS AND THE VETERANS, UM, COMMUNITY OR, UH, UH, TICKET, WHICH IS JUST AWESOME.
IT'S THE, THE SERVICE ON PRODUCING THOSE FOR THE VETERANS WAS JUST AMAZING.
LIKE WITHIN THREE DAYS, THEY HAD THEIR, UH, THEIR, UH, TICKET.
THAT'LL TEACH ME TO HIRE YOU AGAIN.
I WAS ON YOUR HIRING COMMITTEE, IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL TO GET TO KNOW YOU, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
UM, AND JUST ANOTHER ONE OF MY ANNUAL REMINDERS AS THE KIDDO, AS THE WEATHER GETS COLD AND THE ROADS ICE AT NIGHT, AND THEN THE KIDDOS GO ON, YOU KNOW, WINTER BREAK, JUST TAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT SLOWER AND WATCH OUT FOR THOSE KIDDOS OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY AT THE BUS STOPS.
IT'S DARK IN THE MORNING AND IT'S A LITTLE DARKER IN THE AFTERNOONS, AND WE JUST WANNA KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE.
OTHERWISE, THANKS TO EVERYBODY.
HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A GREAT THANKSGIVING.
UM, YOU HAVE BEEN A, A VERY STEADY HAND.
YOU HAVE BEEN A GUY WHO GETS THINGS DONE, WHO LISTENS.
UM, AND HE ASKS THOUGHTFUL, THOUGHT PROVOKING, CRITICAL, CRITICAL THINKING QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, I THINK AS A COUNCIL, THAT'S THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN ASK A STAFF PERSON IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY TO HIRE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST PEOPLE OUT THERE COLLECTIVELY AS A COMMUNITY, AND THEN WE WANT THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE YOU BRING A LOT OF VALUE.
AND, AND YOU HAVE ALWAYS DONE THAT VERY FAITHFULLY.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO, UM, TO LEAN IN AND TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
SO, UH, WE WILL, YOU WILL BE SORELY MISSED FOR CERTAIN.
UM, SORRY, I'M GONNA MAKE A LATE NIGHT A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE THINGS THAT ARE WORTH REPORTING ON.
I I'M HOPEFUL THAT EMILY'S GOING TO BRING UP A FEW PICTURES.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, I ATTENDED THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING IN ATLANTA.
ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, THAT WE HAD THERE WAS TO TAKE A MOBILE WORKSHOP.
AND I TOOK THE MOBILE WORKSHOP ON THE, UM, THE WATER DISTRICT IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO I HAVE SOME IMAGES OF, IN ATLANTA, THEY HAVE, UM, CONVERTED WHAT IS, WHAT WAS A, UM, QUARRY, SOME OF THIS MIGHT SOUND FAMILIAR TO.
THEY CONVERTED WHAT IS A QUARRY, UM, TO A RESERVOIR.
AND THAT RESERVOIR HOLDS 2.4 BILLION GALLONS OF WATER.
IT IS ENOUGH WATER TO SERVICE IN, UM, CONSERVATION METHOD, THE CITY OF ATLANTA FOR 90 DAYS.
UM, YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD ABOUT WHAT THE CITY OF COLUMBUS IS INTENDING TO DO AT OUR QUARRY, UM, JUST NORTH OF THE ZOO THERE ALONG DUBLIN ROAD, SOUTH OF HOME ROAD.
UM, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS HAS ACQUIRED THAT QUARRY, AND THEY HAVE THE INTENTION OF USING IT AS A RESERVOIR.
UM, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND THEM FOR, FOR THAT FORESIGHT ON, ON THE HEELS OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IN EAST PALESTINE AND THINGS.
UM, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A RESERVOIR THAT IS SEPARATED FROM CON ANY
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CONTAMINANTS THAT MIGHT BE ANY IN ANY BODY OF WATER THAT'S FLOWING TO SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME IS REALLY FORWARD THINKING.SO I DUNNO IF EMILY, IF WE CAN.
SO THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE SIZE OF THEIR RESERVOIR.
UM, SO YOU CANNOT INTERACT WITH THE RESERVOIR AT ALL.
YOU CANNOT GET WITHIN 150 FEET, BUT THERE IS EXCELLENT PUBLIC RECREATIONAL SPACE ADJACENT TO IT.
IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, THEY, THEY DID IT, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
THEY USE HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS.
IT IS REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT.
UM, IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.
UH, THERE ARE PAVED TRAILS AND, AND BIKE PADS.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A MAP OF THE, OF THE TRAILS WHERE YOU CAN, UM, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN FOUR MILES OF TRAILS THAT YOU CAN DO.
THEIR, THEIR, THEIR NEXT PHASE WILL BE COMPLETELY AROUND THE RESERVOIR.
AND THERE'S ONE MORE I THINK SHOWING, UM, TH THIS IS THE, AN IMAGE OF WHAT THE KIND OF FEATURES THEY PUT THERE.
IT'S ALL REAL STONE THAT WAS QUARRIED FROM THAT QUARRY.
AND THEN I THINK THIS ONE IS, THIS DEMONSTRATES OF HOW THE, THE TRAILS ARE MULTIMODAL, THEY'RE LIT, UM, AND THEY'RE, THERE'S AREAS FOR KIDS TO PLAY AND THERE'S JUST, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF GREAT SPACES.
SO THANK YOU FOR ON A MOMENT'S NOTICE, BEING ABLE TO PUT 'EM UP.
BUT THE, THIS JUST SHOWS YOU THE, THE QUALITY OF IT.
UM, I DID SEND THESE IMAGES AND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH KRISTIN ATHA, WHO, UM, WILL OVERSEE THIS FOR THE CITY OF COLUMBUS AND REALLY URGING THEM TO DO, TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE THINGS AS THEY, UM, CREATE THAT RESERVOIR ON THE NORTH SIDE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO WORK WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO CONNECT A BIKE TRAIL, UM, UP TO THAT SPACE.
SO I'M, I'M HOPEFUL THAT THAT WOULD COME, THAT BUILDING THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE LEFT, THOUGH, THAT'S THE PUMP HOUSE.
THEY, AND THAT WATER COMING OUT OF THERE, IT PULLS WATER FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE RESERVOIR AND THEN IT PUTS IT TO THE TOP.
SO IT'S, IT'S WELL AERATED SO THAT, THAT THE WATER STAYS REALLY HEALTHY.
UM, SO THANK YOU, UH, MEGAN AND EMILY FOR INDULGING ME ON MY SLIDESHOW.
THEN I WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE RAIL MEETINGS AND CONVERSATIONS AND LET YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED.
SO, UM, WITH CSX, I MET WITH, UH, CRAIG COMISO AND RUSTY ORBIN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE.
YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR, YOU HEAR THE TERM RAILROADING, RIGHT? AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM FOR THAT BECAUSE, UM, THOSE ARE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE.
UM, I DID PRESENT TO THEM, AND, AND YOU SAW IN THE PACKET TODAY ABOUT OUR APPLICATION FOR GRADE SEPARATION.
THAT'S KIND OF THE LANGUAGE THAT THAT RAILROADS SPEAK IS GRADE SEPARATION.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR PLACES TO PARK, TRAINS AND, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO TO COVER, UH, AN EXISTING ROADWAY THAT IS, THAT IS ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THEM.
SO YOU TRY TO COME AT IT WITH, THERE'S SOMETHING IN THIS FOR EVERYBODY.
SO, HAD A REALLY GREAT MEETING WITH THE CSX FOLKS.
UM, AND THEN WITH THE, UH, FEDERAL RAIL ADMINISTRATION WITH DR. SANTIAGO CRUZ VEDA, UM, HE WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL IN OUTLINING OF WHAT THE PATH IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE FROM HERE FORWARD IN THE MILESTONES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ACHIEVED.
AND IF WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING TO BE SELECTED AS A CORRIDOR ID, UM, THE STEPS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE TO, UH, TO BRING THAT TO FRUITION AND HAVE SUCCESS FROM THERE.
UM, WITH, AT AMTRAK, I MET WITH ROBERT EATON AND MARIAH MORALES AND, UM, I, I LEARNED SOME INFORMATION THERE THAT AMTRAK WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE THE PROVIDER IF THIS CORRIDOR ID WAS SELECTED, THAT IT COULD BE BRIGHT LINE, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH DIFFERENT PROVIDERS TO SELECT WHO WOULD, UM, SERVICE THE CORRIDOR.
BRIGHTLINE IS A VERY INTERESTING ENTITY.
UH, THEY ARE BUILDING A TRAIN FROM LAS VEGAS TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA RIGHT NOW, AND IT IS EQUIVALENT TO EUROPEAN RAIL.
IT WILL TRAVEL IN EXCESS OF 190 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, IT, IT WILL BE A TRUE EUROPEAN RAIL EXPERIENCE.
AND, UM, THEY, THAT IS THE BUSINESS THAT THEY WANT TO BE THAT IN.
IT IS A PRIVATE COMPANY, UH, AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY BUY EASEMENTS ADJACENT TO EXISTING RAIL LINES, AND THEY BUILD THEIR OWN RAILROAD ADJACENT TO IT SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO INTERFERE WITH THE CSX S OF THE WORLD OR THE NORFOLK SOUTHERNS OR WHOEVER ELSE ON SCHEDULING THE RAIL LINES.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING, UM, TO HEAR FROM THEM.
AND THEN, UH, EMMETT BOWS, THE FRA ADMINISTRATOR, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'D EVER SEEN HIM.
UM, AND I WAS REALLY GLAD THAT HE WAS THERE.
AND HE, HE SAID, AND HE WAS MAKING THE COMMITMENT THAT THE FRA CORRIDOR IDS WILL BE ANNOUNCED PRIOR TO THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND SO, COMING OUT OF HIS MOUTH, I, I AM INCLINED TO BELIEVE IT BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, IT WAS GONNA BE AUGUST AND THEN IT WAS GONNA BE SEPTEMBER, AND THEN IT WAS GONNA BE OCTOBER, AND THEN IT WAS GONNA BE NOVEMBER.
BUT, BUT HE'S THE FRA ADMINISTRATOR.
AND IF HE SAYS THAT, I'M INCLINED TO THINK THAT THAT IS IN FACT THE
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CASE.AND IF THAT'S IN FACT THE CASE, IT PROBABLY WILL HAPPEN PERHAPS NEXT WEEK.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, THERE WERE FOUR CORRIDOR IDS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY VARIOUS ENTITIES.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT, UH, THE FRA MET WITH MAYOR BIBB, UH, OF CLEVELAND THIS WEEK.
SO THAT, I THINK, INDICATES TO ME THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING IN THE CLEVELAND MARKET.
UM, HOWEVER, THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT LINES THAT GO IN CLEVELAND.
ONE OF THEM IS THE ONE UP TO DETROIT, ONE OF THEM IS THE THREE C AND D.
AND THEN THERE IS, UH, AN ADDITIONAL ONE CALLED THE, UM, THE NOAC.
SO I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THERE ARE THREE OF THEM THAT COME THROUGH THERE.
THE ELBOWS ARE CERTAINLY GETTING SHARPER AS THE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT AND IT'S GONNA BE A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE PROCESS.
BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY AFTER THAT MEETING, WE LEFT IT ALL ON THE FIELD.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD GOOD INFORMATION, WE GAVE IT ALL TO THEM.
UM, WHATEVER DECISION COMES DOWN NOW, I THINK WE CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE EFFORT THAT WE PUT FORWARD INTO TRYING TO POSITION OURSELVES TO IN THE BEST PLACE POSSIBLE.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO GO AND SUPPORTING THAT.
AND I, I REALLY, IT WAS AN ENCOURAGING, ENCOURAGING TIME, BUT STILL A LONG WAY TO GO.
THANK YOU, CHRIS, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.
UM, VERY IMPORTANT AND, UH, SO APPRECIATIVE.
SO ROBERT, YOU HEAR ALL THIS, YOU CAN'T GO MAN, RIGHT? YOU GOTTA STAY RIGHT? BUT, UM, I, I WANNA ECHO MY COLLEAGUES.
IT WHAT A DELIGHT, WHAT A PLEASURE TO GET TO WORK WITH YOU.
AND I'VE GOT TO WORK WITH YOU ON FUN THINGS LIKE ROAD PAVEMENT, FUN ACTIVITIES AND, UM, PARKS AND FESTIVALS AND EVERYTHING.
AND EVERY TIME IT'S BEEN FANTASTIC.
SO, UM, OUR LOSS IS CERTAINLY TEXAS'S GAIN.
SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WISHED ALL THE VERY BEST FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM ME BECAUSE I WAS SO EXCITED.
I JUMPED THE, I JUMPED THE ROPE TOO SOON.
BUT, UM, THANK YOU AGAIN AND THANK EVERYONE TOWARDS THE END OF THIS YEAR, ESPECIALLY AFTER THANKSGIVING, EVERYTHING THAT THE STAFF DOES TO HELP US GET THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND TO STAY SO LATE TILL 10 O'CLOCK.
WE TRIED TO GET THROUGH IT FASTER, BUT WE DIDN'T DO IT.
BUT IT'S BEEN A GOOD MEETING AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL DO TO HELP US OUT.
AND WITH THAT GOOD EVENING, AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.