Nov 13, 2023 City Council

MAY I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND, I'LL SECOND.

JENNY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. KEELER? YES.

SECOND, READING, PUBLIC HEARING

[Ordinance 44-23]

ON ORDINANCE 44 DASH 23, ADOPTING AND ENACTING A SUPPLEMENT AS 54 TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN, OHIO.

OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING IS FROM OUR ASSISTANT LAW DIRECTOR, YARA.

THANK YOU COUNSEL.

THIS IS A SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 44 23.

THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES SINCE THE FIRST READING.

THIS IS A ANNUAL, UH, ENACTMENT OF A SUPPLEMENT TO OUR CODIFIED ORDINANCES AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? LINDSAY COUNSEL, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT.

HEARING NONE.

JENNY, IF YOU'LL PLEASE CALL ROLL.

MAYOR FOX.

AND FIRST READING ON ORDINANCE 46 DASH 23 AMENDING VARIOUS SECTION OF ORDINANCE 15 DASH 17 COMPENSATION PLAN FOR NON-UNION PERSONNEL.

INTRODUCTION

[Ordinance 46-23]

I'LL REDUCE IT.

OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING IS FROM OUR DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES, JENNIFER TI.

GOOD EVENING, JENNIFER.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ORDINANCE 46 DASH 23 IS A COMPANION ORDINANCE TO THE OPERATING BUDGET.

THERE ARE SEVERAL CHANGES IN THIS DOCUMENT AS OUTLINED IN THE ACCOMPANYING MEMO TO COUNCIL.

MANY OF THE CHANGES REFLECT CLARIFYING LANGUAGE TO MIRROR CURRENT PRACTICES.

IN ADDITION TO THOSE OUTLINED, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A FEW ADDITIONAL CHANGES UNDER SECTION TWO, WAGE AND SALARY STRUCTURE.

IT IS PROPOSED TO INCLUDE AN UPDATED LIST OF JOB CLASSIFICATIONS CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET.

IN THE SAME SECTION, IT IS PROPOSED PER OUR CONSULTANTS' RECOMMENDATION TO UPDATE THE PAY GRADE TABLE AFTER AN EXTENSIVE REVIEW OF MARKET PAY DATA.

UNDER SECTION FOUR, THE INSTANT BONUS PROGRAM, IT IS PROPOSED TO REMOVE THE LANGUAGE REGARDING THE VALUE OF THE AVERAGE INSTANT BONUS UNDER SECTION NINE VACATION LEAVE.

IT IS PROPOSED TO REFERENCE THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 33, THE HUMAN RESOURCES POLICIES TO CLARIFY EMPLOYEES WHO SEPARATE SERVICE AND THE ELIGIBILITY FOR CONVERTING VACATION TO PAY.

ADDITIONALLY, IN SECTION NINE VACATION LEAVE, IT IS PROPOSED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OF THE EMPLOYEES AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL TO SPECIFICALLY REFER TO DIVISIONAL AND DEPARTMENTAL DIRECTORS IN THE 1.2 TO THE 3.2 PAY RANGE.

SUBJECT TO ANY QUESTIONS COUNSEL MAY HAVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS ORDINANCE AT THE SECOND READING ON NOVEMBER 27TH.

THANK YOU, LINDSAY, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? COUNSEL QUESTIONS FOR JENNIFER? I JUST HAVE ONE REQUEST WHEN YOU SEND IT TO US NEXT TIME.

CAN YOU GIVE US A RED LINE VERSION? 'CAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE A RED LINE VERSION IN OUR PACKET HERE.

THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A RED LINE VERSION ATTACHED.

I THINK IT'S UNDER THE ORDINANCES.

GO.

I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.

OH, OKAY.

I WAS, I I LOOKED AT TWO, UM, COMPENSATION PLAN.

DASH 23 AMENDING SECTION NINE 1.12.

ALRIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

OUR SECOND READING IN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS ON NOVEMBER 27TH, 2023.

ORDINANCE 47

[Ordinance 47-23]

FEEDING OF WATERFOWL PROHIBITED OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN HUNTER.

OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING IS FROM MANAGEMENT ANALYST, EMILY GOVER.

EVENING, EMILY.

OF, UH, BLACK BEARS, WILD TURKEYS AND BOBCATS AS THOSE KIND OF MIGRATE THROUGH OHIO UP NORTH.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THE PAST YEAR, CSAC HAS BEEN ADDRESSING THE TOPIC OF DEAR MANAGEMENT.

STAFF HAS HEARD FROM RESIDENTS THIS SUMMER REGARDING CONCERNS OVER DEAR IN THEIR YARD.

AND, UH, BASED ON INFORMATION PROVIDED IN A REPORT CONDUCTED BY STUDENTS AT OHIO STATE.

AND, UH, BASED ON A PUBLIC, UH, SURVEY THAT WAS LAUNCHED THIS SUMMER, UM, STAFF PRESENTED SEVERAL TACTICS FOR DEER MANAGEMENT TO CSAC EARLIER THIS YEAR.

THESE TACTICS INCLUDE LETHAL AND NON-LETHAL OPTIONS.

BASED ON ALL OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE, CSAC WAS SUPPORTIVE OF IMPLEMENTING A NO FEED ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THE DENSITY OF DEER IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

A NO FEED ORDINANCE IS TYPICALLY THE NAME OF LEGISLATION THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO DEER.

BUT UPON, UH, FURTHER REVIEW WITH CSAC STAFF ASKED THE CSAC IF THEY WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF AN OUTDOOR FEED ORDINANCE.

THE NAME CHANGE IS CONSISTENT WITH LEGISLATION, UH, IN BENCHMARKING THAT IS MORE ENCOMPASSING OF NEARLY ALL WILDLIFE AS OPPOSED TO RESTRICTING THE ORDINANCE TO JUST DEER.

THIS IS A PREEMPTIVE MEASURE THAT WE CAN TAKE TO ELIMINATE THE NEED TO PASS LEGISLATION TO ADDRESS ANY FUTURE HIGH DENSITY ANIMALS OR POTENTIAL SIGHTINGS

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SO FOR THE LANGUAGE OF THIS ORDINANCE, ANIMALS RUNNING AT LARGE ARE DEFINED AS AN ANIMAL OFF ITS OWNER'S PREMISES WITHOUT A LEASH OR PERSON AROUND TO CONTROL THE ANIMAL.

AN EXAMPLE OF THIS WOULD BE AN OUTDOOR CAT.

WILD ANIMALS ARE DEFINED AS ANIMALS NOT LEGALLY CONFINED OR PRIVATELY OWNED, ACQUIRED THROUGH LEGAL METHODS.

SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT KEEPING WITH THE CATS WOULD BE A FERAL CAT THERE.

SECTION B OF THIS LANGUAGE CLARIFIES THAT THIS ORDINANCE IS CERTAINLY NOT INTENDED TO PROHIBIT BIRD FEEDERS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY 'CAUSE THESE ARE A WELCOME ADDITION TO ANY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE CITY IS VERY INVOLVED ACTUALLY IN, UH, PRESERVATION AND PROMOTION OF WILD BIRDS THROUGHOUT DUBLIN.

HOWEVER, THE RECKLESS USE OF BIRD FEEDERS WHERE A FEEDER IS OPENLY SPILLING FEED ONTO THE GROUND AND THAT CAN ATTRACT WILD ANIMALS.

AND WHILE THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER MAY NOT MIND BRINGING THE DEER INTO THEIR YARD BECAUSE OF THE GRAZING PATTERNS OF DEER, THIS WILL LEAD THEM INTO THEIR NEIGHBOR'S YARD AND POTENTIALLY CAUSE LANDSCAPE DAMAGE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

THE DEER WILL ALSO RETURN WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT FOOD IS AVAILABLE AT THIS PROPERTY.

AND WHILE IT IS CERTAINLY NOT ANYONE'S INTENTION TO CAUSE THIS HARM, THEY MAY UNKNOWINGLY BE DOING JUST THAT.

SO WITH THAT, BASED ON THE MANY MONTHS OF DISCUSSION AND WORK DONE BY CSAC STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 47 23 AT ITS SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 27TH.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

EMILY.

ANY COMMENTS? NO COUNSEL.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK, I'M SORRY, CHRIS.

I HAVE, UH, ONE QUESTION.

DID THEY, DID CSAC INDICATE WHAT THEY ANTICIPATE THESE ACTIONS, THE IMPACT THAT THEY ANTICIPATE THIS HAVING ON THE, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKED LIKE OUR, UM, DEER HERD WAS TWICE THE RECOMMENDED SIZE PER ACRE OF THE CITY.

SO WITH THESE MEASUREMENTS TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, WHAT IS THE, UH, INTENDED IMPACT ON THE SIZE OF THAT HERD? WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? THERE WAS, AND, AND WE'VE TALKED TO THE, UH, OHIO DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES ABOUT THIS AS WELL.

AND THE IMPACT THAT WE SHOULD SEE IS LESS CONGREGATE CONGREGATION, EXCUSE ME, IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SO SPREADING OUT THE HERD AND THEN THE, UH, REMOVING THEM FROM BEING NEAR ROADWAYS AND NEAR IN YARDS.

SO THAT, THAT'S THE, THE BIG IMPACT THAT THIS WILL HAVE.

AND THIS IS OD AND R'S NUMBER ONE RECOMMENDATION TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS DEER MANAGEMENT.

SO I WAS WALKING DOWN, UM, ADJACENT TO DUBLIN ROAD TO THE NORTHERN END OF THE CITY LAST SATURDAY, AND A CAR STRUCK A DEER RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.

AND SO I, I HOPE THAT WE'RE TRACKING, UM, DEER STRIKES AND I DON'T, I THINK PROBABLY AS MANY OF THEM DON'T GO REPORTED.

UM, CERTAINLY NO, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE WERE NOT CALLED, I SUSPECT MAYBE THEY FOLLOWED UP WITH SOME SORT OF POLICE REPORT FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES.

BUT, UM, IF WE COULD TAKE YEAR OVER YEAR, UH, INFORMATION ON DEER VEHICULAR ACCIDENTS, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT 'CAUSE UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET HURT.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE DO HAVE THAT DATA AVAILABLE AND, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.

UM, WE HAVE THAT WENT WHEN, UH, REPORTED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE ALSO TRACK DEER, UM, CARCASSES THAT ARE PICKED UP THROUGH THE GO DUBLIN APP REQUESTS THAT ARE MADE THERE.

AND A LOT OF THOSE DO TEND TO COINCIDE WITH THE VEHICLE INCIDENTS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I KNOW THIS IS A LOT OF WORK AND THANKS TO CSAC FOR UNDERTAKING THIS STUDY.

IT'S NOT AN EASY ONE.

I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME, UH, OF THE PUBLIC THAT A DEER IS A, IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM AND IT'S WHAT PROMPTED THIS.

BUT, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS ALL, UH, WILDLIFE, IT, UM, PEOPLE WORRY THAT THE ANIMALS AROUND AREN'T GONNA HAVE THE FOOD.

WE'RE A NATIONAL, I BELIEVE WE'RE A NATIONAL WILDLIFE FEDERATION CITY, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF NATURAL FOOD OUT THERE IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

NO LITTLE FURRY CREATURES GONNA SUFFER OR STARVE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FEEDING, HAND FEEDING THEM.

SO I HOPE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS TO PROTECT THE WILDLIFE MORE THAN ANYTHING FROM, UH, FROM IMPACT THAT, THAT WE CAN DO OUTSIDE OF THAT OF NATURE.

SO, UM, OUR SECOND READING ON THIS, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, IS SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 27TH.

I MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE COUNCIL RULES OF ORDER AND READ AN ORDINANCE 48 DASH 23 THROUGH 51 DASH 23 TOGETHER.

IS THERE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.

JENNY, PLEASE CALL ROLL.

MS. AROSE GROOMS. YES.

MAYOR FOX.

ORDINANCE 48 23 APPROPRIATE A TEMPORARY RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENT FROM AG GNL EXERCISE LLC FROM THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 38 25 HARD ROAD IDENTIFIED AS FRANKLIN COUNTY PARCEL NUMBER

MS. CRA? YES.

[Ordinance 48-23 - Ordinance 51-23]

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2 7 3 0 1 2 1 5 3 0 0 FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING AND IMPROVING ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH SHALL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT CHARGE.

ORDINANCE 49 DASH 23 REGARDING TWO PARCELS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF BRIGHT ROAD AND SAWMILL ROAD FROM THE VILLAGE OF INVERNESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.

CONDOMINIUMS ORDINANCE 50 DASH 23 REGARDING THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF BRIGHT ROAD AND SAWMILL ROAD FROM MILLER INVESTMENTS COMPANY AND OHIO GENERAL PARTNERSHIP AND ORDINANCE 51 23 REGARDING THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 7 1 35 SAWMILL ROAD FROM REALTY INCOME CORPORATION, A DELAWARE CORPORATION.

ALRIGHTY, SET.

I MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE COUNSEL RULES OF ORDER AND READ ORDINANCES 52 DASH 23 THROUGH 56 DASH 23 TOGETHER.

OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING IS FROM OUR, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY.

AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE ASSOCIATED, UM, RESOLUTION OF INTENT AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, IMPROVEMENTS ARE PLANNED FOR THE BRIGHT ROAD CORRIDOR, UM, AND A ROUNDABOUT AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF MOUNT CARMEL SITE ALONG MAR ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY AND ARE INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM AS WELL AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AGREEMENT WITH MOUNT CARMEL HEALTH.

THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE 2019 SUN ROAD CORRIDOR STUDY AND THE MOUNT CARMEL TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.

THE BRIGHT ROAD QUARTER IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE, UM, AN EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND THROUGH TRAVEL LANE AROUND ALONG BRIGHT ROAD, A SECOND NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE FROM SAMO TO BRIGHT AND DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE FROM BRIGHT TO SAMO.

AND THE PROJECTS ALSO BOTH INCLUDE PEDESTRIAN BIKE FACILITIES ALONG WITH LANDSCAPING AND STREET LIGHTING.

AND THE PROJECTS REQUIRE AN ACQUISITION FROM A TOTAL OF 11 PARCELS.

AND THE APPRAISAL REPORTS AND ASSOCIATED INFORMATION WERE PROVIDED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.

UM, THE CITY HAS REACHED AGREEMENT WITH THREE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WILL BE PRESENTED A LITTLE LATER THIS EVENING.

AND IN ADDITION, MOUNT CARMEL HEALTH SYSTEMS WILL DONATE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENTS NEEDED FOR THEIR PROJECT ALONG THE SITE FRONTAGES PER THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AGREEMENT.

THE REMAINING PROPERTY INTERESTS ARE FROM FIVE PARCELS WITH FOUR OWNERS.

WHILE STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THESE OWNERS TO REACH MUTUALLY AGREEABLE RESOLUTION TO THE ACQUISITIONS, THIS ORDINANCE, UM, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING, ALLOWS FOR THE APPROPRIATION PROCESS IN ORDER FOR THE PROJECT TO REMAIN ON SCHEDULE AND PROCEED TO CONSTRUCTION.

SO TAKING A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT THESE PARCELS, UH, SAME AS WE SAW AT THE LAST MEETING.

SO I'LL TRY TO GO QUICKLY HERE.

THE PARCEL 28 IS OWNED BY AG GNL EXERCISE, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 38 25 HARD ROAD.

UH, THE NEXT TWO PARCELS ARE OWNED BY THE VILLAGE AT INVERNESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.

CONDOMINIUM ON THE WEST SIDE OF SAWMILL JUST SOUTH OF BRIGHT ROAD PARCEL 17 IS OWNED BY MILLER INVESTMENTS ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BRIGHT AND SAWMILL.

AND PARCEL 24 IS OWNED BY REALTY INCOME CORPORATION AT 71 35 SAWMILL ROAD.

AND AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THESE PROPERTY OWNERS, STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCES AT THE SECOND READING ON NOVEMBER 27TH.

AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL ABOUT THE PROJECT OR THE ORDINANCE.

THANK YOU, TINA.

PUBLIC COMMENT.

HEARING NONE.

COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TINA THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT.

HEARING NONE.

OUR SECOND READING, AS TINA MENTIONED, WILL BE ON NOVEMBER 27TH.

[Ordinance 52-23 - Ordinance 56-23]

IS THERE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.

JENNY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MS. A LUDO.

MS. AROSE GROOMS. YES.

UH, REGARDING A PARCEL LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND BRIGHT ROAD FROM BRC TWO LLC AND BISHOP CAMPBELL FREDERICK OF THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE.

ORDINANCE 52 DASH 23 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AND ACCEPT NECESSARY CONVEYANCE DOCUMENTS AND CONTRACTS TO ACQUIRE CERTAIN PROPERTY INTERESTS FROM SKS BRIGHT ROAD LLC FROM A PARCEL LOCATED AT 4 0 2 5 BRIGHT ROAD IDENTIFIED AS FRANKLY COUNTY PARCEL NUMBER 2 7 3 0 0 8 6 0 9 0 0 FOR THE PUR PUBLIC PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING AND IMPROVING ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH SHALL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT CHARGE.

ORDINANCE 53 DASH 23 REGARDING A PARCEL LOCATED AT 3 9 8 5 BRIGHT ROAD FROM STEVEN T NEWCOMBE, ORDINANCE 54 DASH 23 REGARDING A PARCEL LOCATED AT 3 8 7 0 0 BRIGHT ROAD FROM S AND K REAL PROPERTY LLC ORDINANCE 55 DASH 23 REGARDING A PARCEL LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF BRIGHT ROAD FROM VILLAGE AT INVERNESS CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION AND ORDINANCE 56 DASH 23,

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I'LL THANK YOU.

AND OUR STAFF REPORT IS BACK TO TINA.

THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

UH, THESE ACQUISITIONS ARE FROM THE SAME PROJECT AS WE JUST DISCUSSED.

UM, AND THESE ARE FOLKS THAT HAVE, UM, COME TO AN AGREEABLE SOLUTION WITH THE CITY.

THERE ARE THREE OWNERS, UM, FOR THE FIVE DIFFERENT SITES.

UM, STEVE NEWCOMB IS THE OWNERS OF OF THE SNK PARCEL, THE SKS PARCEL AND STEVE NEWCOMB.

UM, THIS IS A CLOSER LOOK AT THE FIRST TWO OWNED BY STEVEN NEWCOMB, THE SKS PARCEL NUMBER 12 ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF RIGHT ROAD, EAST OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST PRESELL 13, UM, OWNED BY STEVEN NEWCOMBE AND SK S AND K REAL PROPERTY IS ALSO UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF STEVE NEWCOMBE LOCATED AT, UH, 38 700 BRIGHT ROAD.

THE NEXT LOCATION IS THE VILLAGE AT INVERNESS RESIDENTIAL CONDOMINIUM, UM, LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BRIGHT ROAD AND INVERNESS COURT.

AND THE FOR THE ROUNDABOUT PROJECT, UM, THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY WEST OF EMERALD PARKWAY, WHERE THE PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT LANDS IS OWNED BY BRC TWO IN THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE.

UM, AND THAT ALSO HAS PROPERTY INTERESTS THAT HAVE BEEN AGREED TO WITH THIS OWNER.

SO IN ORDER TO PROCEED WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE PROJECT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCES AT THE SECOND READING ON NOVEMBER 27TH.

I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE OR THE PROJECT.

THANK YOU, TINA.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? LINDSAY? NONE.

COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUE ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE? ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL BE HEARING THE SECOND READING ON THIS, AS TINA MENTIONED ON NOVEMBER 27TH.

THANK YOU TINA.

ORDINANCE

[Ordinance 57-23]

57 DASH 23 ESTABLISHING THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CUSTODIAL FUND I'LL, OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING IS FROM OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, MATT STIFFLER.

GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

THIS ORDINANCE CREATES THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CUSTODIAL FUND.

THE CREATION OF THIS FUND FOLLOWS BEST PRACTICES IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FINANCIAL POLICIES, ALLOWING US TO IMMEDIATELY TRANSFER, UH, ANY FUNDS THAT ARE SEIZED FROM THE EVIDENCE ROOM OVER TO A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION FOR SAFEKEEPING.

SO STAFF RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF THIS ORDINANCE AT THE SECOND HEARING ON NOVEMBER 27TH.

PUBLIC COMMENT.

LINDSAY NONE.

COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MATT THIS EVENING CONCERNING THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CUSTODIAL FUND? HEARING NONE.

OUR SECOND READING IS SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 27TH.

UP FOR THE NEXT ORDINANCE.

WELL, YOU'RE

[Ordinance 58-23]

I SEE ORDINANCE 58 DASH 23 AUTHORIZING A MODIFICATION OF THE CITY'S INVESTMENT POLICY.

I'LL REDUCE IT.

ALL RIGHT, MATT, ALL YOURS? GREAT.

ORDINANCE 59 DASH 23, AMENDING CHAPTER 35 OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES AND OTHER APPLICABLE SECTIONS TO REVISE THE SCHEDULE OF FEES AND SERVICE CHARGES FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN SERVICES.

UH, GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

THIS ORDINANCE MODIFIES OUR INVESTMENT POLICY.

UH, THIS INVESTMENT POLICY HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TWICE THIS YEAR, FOLLOWING SEVERAL HEARINGS LAST YEAR.

LAST YEAR, WE MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE POLICY.

THE CHANGES THIS YEAR ARE INTENDED TO BE MORE CLARIFYING IN NATURE AND NOT NECESSARILY SUBSTANTIAL FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE.

IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, WE COVERED SEVERAL THINGS.

UH, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS THE INVESTMENT POLICY MODIFICATIONS.

THOSE MODIFICATIONS ARE UNDER COUNCIL CONSIDERATION HERE TONIGHT THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR STAFF APPRO STAFF ARE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL ON NOVEMBER 27TH.

WE ALSO DISCUSSED A BENCHMARK.

UH, IT WAS DECIDED BY THE FINANCE COMMITTEE NOT TO INCLUDE A BENCHMARK IN THE INVESTMENT POLICY ITSELF, BUT TO INCLUDE BENCHMARKING INFORMATION WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE FINANCIAL RETURNS AT THE ANNUAL MEETINGS.

AND THE EXACT BENCHMARK WASN'T IDENTIFIED, BUT SEVERAL WERE PUT FORWARD BY OUR INVESTMENT CONSULT, UH, UH, CONSULTANT.

SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO REFINE THOSE, UH, AS WE CONTINUE TO MEET ON THIS PROCESS ANNUALLY.

REGARDING INVESTMENT REPORTING, UH, THERE WAS REPORTING BETWEEN THE INVESTMENT MANAGERS AND FINANCE AND ALL REQUIRED INFORMATION IS BEING RECEIVED BY FINANCE.

AND THERE WAS REPORTING BETWEEN, UH, FINANCE STAFF AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.

AND WE ARE HAVING THAT ANNUAL MEETING AS REQUIRED BY THE POLICY WITH OUR INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT SERVICES, WHICH ARE MANNING AND NAPIER AND METER.

AND OUR INVESTMENT CONSULTANT, WHICH IS REDTREE INVESTMENTS, LLC.

WE WERE ALSO REQUESTED TO SOLICIT AN RFP FOR INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT

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SERVICES.

SO WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR TREASURY MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT, THREE PLUS ONE TO CREATE AN R-S-R-F-P FOR INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT SERVICES TO BE ISSUED HOPEFULLY IN EARLY 2024.

IN TERMS OF THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE POLICY, A SUMMARY IS PREPARED BY REDTREE, ADOPT A STANDARD OF CALCULATIONS AND REVISE SOME LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY.

YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT THESE ARE NOT PARTICULARLY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.

THEY'RE INTENDED TO MAKE IT EASIER TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'VE BEEN ADMINISTERING THE POLICY.

IN TERMS OF POLICY MODIFICATIONS, THIS ONE, UH, YOU COULD SEE THAT THEY ADDED NON-AGENCY.

THAT WAS REALLY FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED AGENCY, UH, MORTGAGE BACKED SECURITIES IN SECTION A AND HAD DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS ON AGENCY AND NON-AGENCY.

AND YOU'D WANT TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE WITH NON-AGENCY BACKED SECURITIES, WHICH SECTION K IS MORE RESTRICTIVE.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT LANGUAGE THERE.

ADDED TOTAL PORTFOLIO AVAILABLE FOR INVESTMENT THAT'S ADDED IN SEVERAL OF THESE SECTIONS.

AND THAT'S JUST CLARIFYING WHAT WE ARE GOING TO USE AS THE DENOMINATOR OF THE EQUATION WHEN WE DIVIDE OUR INVESTMENTS AVAILABLE.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT AVAILABLE IN THE TOTAL PORTFOLIO HERE AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WE'RE CHANGING THAT TOTAL PORTFOLIO AVAILABLE FOR INVESTMENT.

THIS HAS BEEN COMMON PRACTICE WITHIN FINANCE FOR SOME TIME.

WE'RE JUST CLARIFYING IT.

MUNICIPAL BONDS, AGAIN, THESE ARE PART OF THE CITY'S TOTAL PORTFOLIO.

THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED INTERIM MONIES.

INTERIM MONIES HAS A SPECIFIC DEFINITION IN ORC, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE INTENDING TO MEAN.

HERE.

AGAIN, THERE'S THE AVAILABLE FOR INVESTMENT AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE LANGUAGE AND AGAIN IN SECTION H.

SO ALL OF THESE CHANGES ARE INTENDED TO CLARIFY.

WHAT WE ARE REALLY INTENDING IS WHETHER WE HAVE ONE INVESTMENT ADVISOR OR MULTIPLE INVESTMENT ADVISORS THAT EVERY INVESTMENT ADVISOR VIEWS THEIR SHARE OF OUR PORTFOLIO AS THOUGH IT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT.

SO WHEN WE SAY DON'T SPEND MORE THAN X PERCENT ON A CERTAIN INVESTMENT PRODUCT, WE MEAN OF THE PART YOU MANAGE, NOT THE WHOLE PIE THAT YOU MIGHT NOT MANAGE.

AND WE'RE CLARIFYING THAT WITH THAT I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU MATT.

ANY STAFF? ANY COMMENT ON THIS? ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT, WE APPRECIATE THAT SO MUCH.

OUR SECOND READING ON THIS ONE IS ALSO SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 27TH,

[Ordinance 59-23]

INTRODUCE IT.

OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING AGAIN IS MATT.

SO MATT, ALL YOURS.

STUDY NEXT YEAR WHERE WE MAY HAVE TO DIAL SOME OF THEM BACK.

THIS IS OUR ANNUAL UPDATE TO THE COST STUDY OR SCHEDULE OF FEES AND SERVICE CHARGES.

A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY IN, UH, 1990 IN ORDINANCE 94 DASH 13 ESTABLISHED A POLICY OF, UH, ADOPTING A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY EVERY OTHER YEAR.

AND IN THAT INTERVENING YEAR, WE'D USE AN INFLATIONARY MEASURE, UM, THAT INFLATIONARY MEASURE.

WE HAD A DISCUSSIONS THIS YEAR WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE INFLATIONARY MEASURE BECAUSE INFLATION HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY BETWEEN 2013 AND 2023.

SO WE HAD A CONVERSATION, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ON A LATER SLIDE.

THIS PRACTICE OF IDENTIFYING FULL COST FOR SERVICES WAS ADOPTED BY THE GFOA AS A BEST PRACTICE IN 20, UH, 21.

THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING THIS SINCE THE EARLY 1990.

SO WE WERE WELL AHEAD OF THE GFOA IN IDENTIFYING THIS AS A BEST PRACTICE.

IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, WE MET WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ON MAY 9TH AND SEPTEMBER 12TH TO DISCUSS VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE COST STUDY WITH THE COMMITTEE, INCLUDING THE INFLATIONARY MEASURE AND THE APPLICATION OF THAT MEASURE TO THE APPROPRIATE FEES.

THE FIRST READING IS TODAY WITH ADOPTION, UH, RECOMMENDED NOVEMBER 27TH SO THAT THE FEES CAN BE IN EFFECT JANUARY 1ST.

IN TERMS OF THE COST STUDY LAST YEAR, 2022 WAS A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE.

WE WILL PERFORM ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE NEXT YEAR WHERE WE SET THE FEES FOR 2025.

UH, THIS YEAR IT WAS AN INFLATIONARY YEAR.

WE CHOSE AN INFLATIONARY MEASURE OF 4.25%.

THIS WAS BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.

UM, PREVIOUS INFLATIONARY MEASURES WERE ACTUALLY UNDER 2% BECAUSE 2013 THROUGH 2022 WAS A PERIOD OF PRETTY LOW INFLATION.

THE INFLATIONARY MEASURE THAT WE WOULD'VE SELECTED HAD WE FOLLOWED THE SAME PATTERN WAS ALMOST 6.8% AND IT DID NOT FEEL APPROPRIATE TO GO THAT HIGH ON AN INFLATIONARY MEASURE WHEN OUR INTERNAL INFLATIONARY MEASURE, WHICH IS REALLY SALARIES AND BENEFITS, IS CLOSER TO THIS FOUR POINT A QUARTER.

SO WE DECIDED TO APPLY A DUBLIN INFLATIONARY MEASURE USING SALARY AND BENEFIT INCREASES AS THE BASE TO DEVELOP AN INFLATIONARY MEASURE SO THAT WE'RE NOT OVER-INFLATING OUR FEES THIS YEAR AND HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE

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THIS WAS AN ATTEMPT TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN SINCE 2013, WHICH IS A PERIOD OF HIGH INFLATION.

IF IT TURNS OUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE NEXT YEAR THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT FEE INCREASES, PERHAPS THIS WASN'T THE RIGHT METHODOLOGY AT ALL.

SO WE'LL FIND THAT OUT WHEN WE DO THE COMPREHENSIVE STUDY.

BUT AS 50% OF OUR COSTS ARE MADE UP OF SALARY AND BENEFITS, THIS FEELS LIKE THE RIGHT MEASURE.

ALL DIVISION'S COSTS WERE, UH, REVIEWED AND FEE ADJUSTMENTS WERE APPLIED TO THE UNITS YOU SEE THERE.

IN ADDITION, THERE WERE A FEW NEW FEES IN TERMS OF, UH, SOME NEW FEES.

WE HAD THE INCREASE IN MAYOR'S COURT, UM, I'M SORRY, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO INCREASE FROM $8 TO $10.

THIS IS THE STATUTORY MAXIMUM AS ALLOWED UNDER ORC.

THIS WILL LIKELY COME CLOSE, BUT NOT QUITE MANAGE OUR 2023 MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH OUR SOFTWARE OF $26,000.

IT WILL ULTIMATELY DEPEND ON THE FUND BALANCE AND THE NUMBER OF CASES, BUT THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE FEE, UH, FOR THE NUMBER OF CASES AND THE COST THAT WE'RE SEEING FOR THIS SERVICE.

THE CEMETERY, WE INCREASE THE LEG, LEGACY TREE AND BENCH FEE BY MORE THAN AN INFLATIONARY ME, UH, MEASURE BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM PARKS THAT THE COSTS TO, UH, SUPPLY THE BENCH AND INSTALL THE BENCH WERE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE ESTIMATE IN THE COST STUDY.

AND WE DIDN'T WANNA SUBSIDIZE THAT EVEN FOR ONE YEAR.

SO BASED ON THEIR NUMBERS IN THEIR ANALYSIS, UH, WE INCREASED THAT TO $2,500 IN TERMS OF ANNUAL, UH, RECREATION AND POOL MEMBERSHIPS.

YOU WILL RECALL THAT IN 2018, COUNCIL INCREASED THESE MEMBERSHIPS, UH, A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE BECAUSE THEY HAD NOT INCREASED IN SEVERAL YEARS.

AT THAT TIME, WE DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT A PLAN WHERE WE WOULD INCREASE THESE FEES 5% EVERY OTHER YEAR.

THAT PLAN WAS EXECUTED IN 2020 AND 2022.

UM, NOW INFLATION HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY IN 2023.

SO WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO WAS FALL BEHIND THAT INFLATIONARY CURVE.

SO WE APPLIED THE 4.25% INFLATIONARY MEASURE FOR ALL FEES TO THESE ME MEMBERSHIP FEES AS WELL, SO THAT WE COULD MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT, UH, INCREASE IN REVENUES TO GO ALONG WITH THE CONSISTENT INCREASE WE'VE SEEN IN COSTS, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO RECREATION.

WE'RE SEEING INCREASE IN PART-TIME, WAGES, AND UTILITY COSTS, SO THAT FOUR AND A QUARTER PERCENT WILL LIKELY HELP MEASURE AND OFFSET SOME OF THOSE INCREASES.

IN TERMS OF COST, UH, CHANGES, YOU CAN SEE THE NEW COSTS HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN YELLOW AND THE OLD COST SINGLED OUT.

THEY REPRESENT A FOUR AND A QUARTER PERCENTAGE INCREASE ROUNDED TO THE NEAREST, UH, $5 OR DOLLAR IN THE CASE OF DAILY PASSES.

IN TERMS OF DCRC PASSES, WE'VE MADE THE SAME CALCULATIONS.

WE ALSO ADDED THE SENIOR VETERAN BASED ON THE VETERAN'S COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS MADE TO COUNCIL AND ADOPTED BY THIS COUNCIL TO CREATE THAT MEMBERSHIP.

IN TERMS OF THEATER RENTALS, WE'VE MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE THEATER RENTAL.

YOU CAN SEE THAT A PREVIOUS STRUCTURE WAS A HALF DAY.

THIS SIMPLIFIES IT TO A THREE HOUR, UH, MINIMUM AND REPRESENTS A 5% INCREASE IN 23 RATES.

AND IT GIVES YOU AN OPTION OF DIFFERENT PACKAGES DEPENDING UPON HOW MANY THEATER TECHNICIANS YOU MAY NEED.

IN TOTAL, THERE ARE A FEW NEW FEES, UH, THE $5 DISCOUNT FOR SENIOR VETERANS, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED.

WE'VE CLEANED UP SOME LANGUAGE ON THE FRANKLIN, UH, COUNTY TOBACCO LICENSE FEE.

THAT FEE WAS LISTED IN OUR CODE.

WE'VE NOW CLEANED THAT UP SO THAT IT WILL, UH, FOLLOW ORC 57 43.

WE ADDED FEES RELATED TO OUR ADOPTION OF THE COLUMBUS WATER AND SEWER AGREEMENT AND THE ANNEXATION FEES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THERE.

COUNSEL CAN WAIVE THOSE FEES SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO DO THAT AT A LATER TIME WHEN AN ANNEXATION, UH, WOULD COME FORWARD.

AND THEN WE ALSO, UH, PURCHASED A A MOBILE WATER REFILL STATION AND WE ADDED A FEE TO ALLOW THAT TO BE RENTED OUT TO OTHER POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS FOR THEIR EVENTS IN TERMS OF COST SAVINGS AND EFFICIENCY EFFORTS.

IN ADDITION TO INCREASING FEES, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE EFFICIENT WITH OUR UTILIZATION OF TAXPAYER RESOURCES.

THESE ARE SOME EVERGREEN ACTIONS THAT I THINK WE TAKE EVERY YEAR, BUT I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO NOTICE.

WE DO.

UH, WE ARE A SERVICE ORGANIZATION.

ABOUT 50% OF OUR COSTS ARE SALARY AND BENEFIT RELATED.

SO WE DO HAVE OUR CONSULTANT REVIEW OUR SALARY AND BENEFIT STRUCTURE EVERY TWO YEARS.

THIS YEAR WE DID A REVIEW IN 22 AND 23 BECAUSE OF THE VOLATILITY.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF AND BENEFITS PACKAGE IS COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET, BUT NOT OVERLY GENEROUS TO BE, UH, A POOR UTILIZATION OF TAXPAYER MONEY.

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AND I THINK WE, I THINK WE DO THAT.

WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFFING LEVELS ARE APPROPRIATE.

SO WHENEVER A VA CAN, UH, POSITION OCCURS, THE DIRECTOR OF THAT DIVISION WILL EVALUATE, UM, WILL EVALUATE THE NEED FOR THAT POSITION AND WHETHER IT COULD BE BETTER UTILIZED, UH, IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT.

AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE VARIOUS STAFFING STRUCTURES, INCLUDING FULL-TIME, PART-TIME, CONTRACTUAL AND SEASONAL.

WE CAN CHANGE SOME OF THOSE LEVERS QUICKER, QUICKER THAN OTHERS, DEPENDING ON THE DEMAND FOR SERVICES.

AND WE DO SO, UH, BOTH IN, IN, UH, ACROSS YEARS AND INTERNALLY TO ANY YEAR WHERE, UH, THE DEMANDS MAY CHANGE.

UH, FINALLY, UH, PURCHASING REQUIREMENTS FOR GOODS AND SERVICES, WE REQUIRE THREE INFORMAL QUOTES FOR PURCHASES OVER 30,000 IN COMPETITIVE BIDDING FOR GOODS AND SERVICES, OVER 75,000 ENSURING THAT WE'RE USING OUR RESOURCES WELL.

AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS ALWAYS HAVE A DEFINED SCOPE AND A COST THAT'S DISCUSSED PRIOR TO EXECUTING THE CONTRACT.

BUT IN ADDITION TO THOSE, I THINK WE CAN SHOW SOME, UH, SPECIFIC EXAMPLES IN 2023 OF HOW WE'VE ADAPTED, INNOVATED, AND USED TECHNOLOGY TO LOWER COSTS.

AND WE LIST SEVERAL OF THOSE HERE.

I WON'T READ THEM ALL, BUT I WILL READ A FEW.

UM, WE UTILIZE FLEXIBLE UTILITY, UH, CONTRACT MAINTENANCE.

AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IN THOSE TWO DOTS THERE, THAT WE ARE LISTENING TO OUR PARTNERS AND FRIENDS IN THE MARKET AND TAKING ACTION IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A GOOD DEAL.

AND WHEN WE'RE CAPABLE, WE LOCK THAT GOOD DEAL UP LONG TERM.

WE ALSO, UH, REDUCE POOL STAFFING WHEN ATTENDANCE IS LOW AND A MINI, UH, TO A MINIMUM TO MINIMIZE STAFFING COSTS.

WE ALSO MODIFIED LEISURE POOL HOURS TO OPEN AT 8:00 AM DUE TO LOW ATTENDANCE BEFOREHAND, UH, HAVING ADDITIONAL STAFF SAVING COSTS THERE.

AND WE'VE REDUCED PRINTING AS MORE PEOPLE MOVE ONLINE.

WE'RE PRINTING LESS BROCHURES.

WE'RE PRINTING LESS OPERATING BUDGETS.

UH, WE ARE TAKING, UH, STANDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MODERATE MODERNIZE OUR DISTRIBUTION.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE INNOVATIVE.

WE HAVE OUR PI WORKS TEAM THAT HOLDS KAIZEN EVENTS, TWO OF WHICH ARE LISTED THERE.

WE REVIEWED AND UPDATED THE SEASONAL HIRING PROCESS.

WE HIRE ABOUT 500 SEASONALS A YEAR.

SO THE MORE EFFICIENT WE CAN MAKE THAT PROCESS, IT'S A MUCH BETTER UTILIZATION OF OUR TIME.

WE'RE ALSO, UH, CONDUCTING A REVIEW WITH HR AND PAYROLL TO REVIEW CURRENT PROCESSES, UH, IN PAYROLL TO SEE IF THERE CAN BE IMPROVEMENTS AND ADDITIONAL COLLABORATION.

AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE A ROBOTIC MOWER THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN HERE AT CITY HALL THAT'S HELPING TO REDUCE STAFF MOWING TIME.

THAT'S A GREAT PILOT PROJECT AND ALLOWS PARKS STAFF TO ADDRESS OTHER ASPECTS OF PARK MAINTENANCE.

WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, WE'RE INCREASING TECHNOLOGY.

THE CITY UPGRADED ALL ITS PRINTERS AT A LOWER RATE FOR CONTRACT SAVINGS AND ADDITIONAL PERFORMANCE.

WE HAVE A NEW RESERVATION SYSTEM THAT REDUCES STAFF HOURS.

WE ARE DIGITIZING REPORTS WHERE POSSIBLE, UH, WHEN THEY NEED PARTIAL REDACTION.

AND WE PARTNERED WITH MOR C TO LOWER THE COST OF THREE D MODELING DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE ARE TAKING ACTIONS IN THOSE AREAS WHEN WE SEE OPPORTUNITY.

WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF COST SAVINGS AS WELL.

PUBLIC COMMENT, LINDSAY.

ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL.

QUESTIONS FOR MATT.

CHRIS, UM, I HAVE ONE.

DIFFERENCE ISN'T VERY MUCH, BUT THE REC CENTER, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.

UM, THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PRESSURE THAT'S BEEN PUT ON OUR RECREATION CENTER AND IN OUR, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BUDGET.

WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS TO BE SPENT THERE, AND I SEE THAT WE STILL HAVE THREE CATEGORIES OF PASSES AVAILABLE.

AND, UM, WHILE MY QUESTION REALLY ISN'T ABOUT THIS BODY OF WORK AND IT'S A GREAT BODY OF WORK, THANKS FOR PUTTING IT TOGETHER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE SEND BACK TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE OR SOME OTHER COMMITTEE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THOSE FORMATS MOVING FORWARD.

KATHY, UM, I WOULD ECHO, UH, THAT COMMENT.

I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY, UM, A HISTORY ABOUT WHAT, WHY WE DECIDED TO HAVE THE THREE PRONG, UM, CATEGORIES.

SO PERHAPS, UM, BEFORE YOU BRING THIS BACK FOR NEXT READING, WE COULD GET SOME DEFINITION OF WHAT IS THAT HISTORY? 'CAUSE I'M SURE THERE WAS ABSOLUTE LOGIC.

MY GUESS IT'S WAS AT A LOWER UTILIZATION, ET CETERA.

NOW, WHEN WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UM, MORE DEMAND THAN WE HAVE CAPABILITY OR CAPACITY, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT IS IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.

SO I WONDERED IF WE COULD, ONE, GET A LITTLE HISTORY AND THEN TWO, IF WE COULD HAVE A SCHEDULE THAT SHOWS FOR EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES, THE NUMBER OF USERS THAT FIT IN THOSE CATEGORIES AND THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT'S GENERATED.

I WOULD SAY IF YOU LOOK AT THE POOL PASSES, THE COST AND THE COST

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UM, AND I THINK THAT THE TAXPAYERS OF THE, THE CITY WOULD, UH, APPRECIATE UNDERSTANDING SORT OF IF, AS WE MAKE THESE, UM, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE, OF THE FEES ARE COMING FROM WHICH CATEGORY.

SO I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD HAVE THAT BEFORE A SECOND READING.

SURE.

WE PREPARED SOME INFORMATION ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT RATE IN, IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS QUESTION.

I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION NOW WHERE YOU'VE REQUESTED SOME INFORMATION IN ADDITION TO THAT.

SO I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THIS AT THE SECOND HEARING.

UM, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE WOULD BE, I'M INDIFFERENT.

I I THINK IT, IT PROBABLY WILL END UP BACK AT A COMMITTEE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA END UP BEFORE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.

SO EITHER WAY IS FINE WITH ME.

YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

AND, AND, AND, UM, TO, UM, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT SENDING IT TO COMMITTEE, I THINK IT'S ALSO, UM, A BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT NOT JUST THESE DOLLARS AND CENTS, BUT ALSO THE USE OF OUR SPORTS FIELD, WHICH WAS UNDER SIGNIFICANT STRESS.

AND I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED HAVING THAT CONVERSATION AT A WORK SESSION, SO IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE JUST TO PUT 'EM ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE MEGAN IS NODDING BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY DOING THAT, UM, BECAUSE USE AND, AND COST AT THE SAME TIME.

SO IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

I I'M GUESSING A WORK SESSION MIGHT BE GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COVER THAT, A BIGGER WATERFRONT.

BUT YEAH, I, I AGREE COMPLETELY.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT BELONGS AS IN A WORK SESSION.

UM, AND SO HAVING THAT HISTORY IN THE WORK THAT YOU JUST ASKED FOR ISN'T GONNA BE USEFUL JUST FOR THIS CONVERSATION.

IT'S ALSO GONNA BE USEFUL FOR THAT CONVERSATION, I THINK.

AND I SUPPORT BRINGING IT BACK TO A WORK SESSION, PARTICULARLY FOR THE FIELDS IS WHERE I'M INTERESTED BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T INCREASED ANY OF OUR PRICES FOR ANY OF OUR FIELD RENTALS AT ALL.

AND AFTER HAVING THE PARK STUDY, WE KNOW THEY'RE EXTREMELY TAXED AND OVERLOADED.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER OUR FEES FOR OUR FIELDS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.

SO IT SEEMS AS IF THERE'S AN AGREEMENT HERE THAT THIS CONVERSATION, THE BROADER CONVERSATION SHOULD COME BACK TO A WORK SESSION.

UH, AND MEGAN, I WOULD ASK YOU, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ACDC WORK SESSION PRIOR TO NOVEMBER 27TH.

I, I MEAN, NOT A WORK.

I DON'T MEAN CDC, I DON'T.

DO WE HAVE TIME FOR A WORK SESSION BEFORE NOVEMBER 27TH? OR WE WILL HAVE THIS WORK SESSION FOLLOWING THE HEARING OR THE, THE FINAL, UM, SECOND READING ON NOVEMBER 27TH, JUST LOOKING AT SCHEDULES AND THE AMOUNT OF PREPARATION THAT'S GONNA BE NEEDED.

I BELIEVE THE WORK SESSION WOULD NEED TO BE SOMETIME IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.

SO WE WILL SCHEDULE THAT, THAT'S THE AGREEMENT HERE ON COUNCIL.

COULD I ASK ONE MORE? CERTAINLY.

KATHY, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION RELATED TO THAT, BECAUSE CERTAINLY, UH, THE COST CHANGES, PRICE CHANGES FOR RESIDENTS WOULD GO INTO EFFECT THE FIRST PART OF NEXT YEAR.

BUT SHOULD WE, THROUGH THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION, WANT TO TALK ABOUT RENTALS? WE HAVE THE OPTION, I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION TO YOU TO UPDATE PRICES MID-YEAR IF WE SO CHOSE.

YEAH, YOU WOULD.

YES, I BELIEVE YOU WOULD.

AND ADDITIONALLY, WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THE ATHLETIC FIELD USAGE FEE, WE SET IT FORWARD TWO YEARS TO GIVE EVERYBODY ADDITIONAL TIME.

SO I THINK THAT IF WE MAKE SOME CHANGES IN THE FIRST HALF OF NEXT YEAR, WE WOULD MEET THE SAME IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE AS IF WE ADOPTED THEM IN THIS ORDINANCE, BECAUSE WE PROBABLY NEED TO GIVE SOME LEAD TIME FOR AT LEAST ONE SEASON TO MAKE CHANGES.

THAT WAS THE POLICY WHEN WE ADOPTED IT.

NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE HAVE TO, BUT I THINK WE COULD MAKE THOSE CHANGES THAT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT AT A SIMILAR TIMEFRAME.

SO TO THAT END, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION TO THAT END.

I, I GUESS WHEN WE BRING IT BACK, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE TIMING OF THOSE POLICIES.

'CAUSE I WAS NOT AWARE OF HOW ALL THAT WORKS.

SO MAYBE JUST A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT ALL OF THAT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD MAKE FOR A VERY INTERESTING WORK SESSION, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND THANKS FOR THE HIGHLIGHTING THE EFFICIENCY.

SO INSTEAD OF A CALLING IT A COST PLUS SYSTEM, I GUESS I WOULD CALL IT A PRUDENT COST PLUS SYSTEM.

HOW'S THAT? SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.

SO AS MATT, AS YOU BRING THAT BACK IN TERMS OF TIMING, YOU, YOU MIGHT WANNA OVERLAY THAT WITH THE TIMING OF THE FULL COST STUDY BECAUSE NEXT YEAR IS A FULL COST STUDY HERE.

WE HAVE THE DIRECTION THAT YOU NEED, I THINK MATT, AND THEN THE SECOND READING, UH, SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 27TH ON THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE.

HEARING, VOTE RESOLUTION 79 DASH 23, ACCEPTING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR PERFORMING ARTS FACILITIES.

INTRODUCTION, PUBLIC

[Resolution 79-23]

CONSOLIDATED FINAL REPORT, HONOR.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

OUR STAFF REPORT IS FROM DEPUTY CITY MANAGER ROBERT RAN EVENING, ROBERT.

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THAT CONVERSATION OCCURRED ON OCTOBER 17TH.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL DUNCAN WEBB FROM WEB MANAGEMENT, PRESIDENT OF WEB MANAGEMENT IS JOINING US VIA WEBEX.

SO, UM, HOPEFULLY WE WILL, UH, BE ABLE TO HAVE HIM CONNECTED.

UM, I'LL INTRODUCE THE, UH, THE TOPIC, HOWEVER, AT THE AUGUST 28TH, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, HEARD FROM DUNCAN WEBB REGARDING THE, UH, DRAFT REPORT FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER FEASIBILITY STUDY.

AT THAT MEETING, THERE WERE CONCERNS REGARDING THE ABILITY OF NONPROFIT USERS TO PAY RENT AT A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

UM, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A MORE DETAILED EXPLANATION OF REVENUE CATEGORIES AND HOW THE PROJECTIONS WERE CALCULATED, SPECIFICALLY RENTAL INCOME.

THERE WAS ALSO A PREFERENCE, UM, EXPRESSED BY COUNCIL TO FIND PRIVATE SECTOR CHAMPIONS, EITHER NON-PROFIT OR FOR-PROFIT TO TAKE THE LEAD ON ADVANCING THE PROJECT.

AND, UM, A QUESTION REGARDING THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO BEGIN IN DESIGN WITHIN THE CRITICAL PATH PLAN.

SO THAT WAS REFERRED BACK TO CDC TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE ITEMS WITHIN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

AND, UH, MR. WEBB IS GOING TO RUN THROUGH, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO CDC, UM, AS LONG AS WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK.

SO, UH, DUNCAN, ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR US? YES, I CAN.

THANK YOU ROBERT.

UH, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME BACK AGAIN.

AND SO THE FIRST ISSUE WAS, UH, LOOKING AT VARIOUS E ELEMENTS OF REVENUE, THE RENTAL BUSINESS, THE PRESENTING BUSINESS WHERE YOU'RE BOOKING ACTS TO PERFORM IN THE VENUE AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS. AND WITHIN THE RENTAL BUSINESS, WE TALKED ABOUT RENTALS TO NONPROFITS AND TO COMMERCIAL GROUPS, BUT COUNCIL RAISED AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, WHICH IS THE NUMBER OF CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS ACTIVE IN DUBLIN, WHO ARE PRESENTERS OF FESTIVALS AND CELEBRATIONS.

SO WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT INTO THE RENTAL COMPONENT.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THIS IS A, THIS IS A SUMMARY OF HOW THAT RENTAL, UH, UH, RENT BREAKS DOWN RESIDENT ORGANIZATIONS IS ABOUT 10% OF THAT RENT.

OTHER NONPROFITS, WHICH INCLUDES THOSE CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS, IS ABOUT 9% OF TOTAL REVENUES.

AND COMMERCIAL GROUPS ARE ABOUT 6%.

SO THE RENTAL INCOME REPRESENTS ABOUT ONE QUARTER OF THE, THE REVENUE SIDE OF THE PROFORMA.

AND I THINK WITHIN THAT, THE, THE SORT OF THE RISKY PART OF THE RESIDENT ORGANIZATIONS IS SORT OF A, I THINK A MANAGEABLE, UH, 10%.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, THIS SHOWS THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE REVENUES.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, SO TICKET SALES ARE, WHEN THE BUILDING BOOKS A TOURING ARTIST OR ENTERTAINER, UH, THE BUILDING COLLECTS THE TICKET SALES, BUT PAYS THE ARTIST FEE AND THE THE COST TO PROMOTE THE EVENT, HOPING TO GENERATE NET REVENUE FROM THAT.

THE RENTAL INCOME, AS I'VE DESCRIBED, IS JUST A FEE PAID BY USERS TO COME.

UH, IN ADDITION, THERE ARE USER FEES THAT THOSE RENTAL GROUPS PAY FOR USE OF THE SERVICES IN THE BUILDING, BASICALLY BILLED AT COST.

BUT THEN THERE'S IMPORTANT OTHER REVENUES FROM FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPERATIONS, INCLUDING BOTH CONCESSIONS AND CATERING.

AND THEN MISCELLANEOUS INCOME, LIKE BOX OFFICE CHARGES, A FACILITY SURCHARGE AND POTENTIALLY MEMBERSHIP INCOME.

SO, UH, THE COUNCIL RAISED IMPORTANT QUESTIONS AND ESSENTIALLY HOPING THAT THERE MIGHT BE A WAY FOR THE PROJECT TO SORT OF SHIFT FROM THE PUBLIC TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, FINDING A CHAMPION IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD.

SO I WENT SEARCHING FOR EXAMPLES FOR THESE PROJECTS.

ONE HAPPENS TO BE A PROJECT I JUST FINISHED, UH, LAST MONTH FOR THE TOWN OF KIOWA ISLAND, SOUTH CAROLINA.

THE TOWN, UH, WAS, WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

WE'VE COMPLETED IT WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.

UH, NOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS TAKING AN ARTS COUNCIL, WHICH WAS UP TO THIS POINT, SORT OF AN INTERNAL FUNCTION WITHIN THE TOWN.

AND THEY'RE SPINNING THE ARTS COUNCIL OUT TO CREATE A PRIVATE, NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT WILL BE FUNDED ESSENTIALLY MOSTLY BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

AND THEN THAT ARTS COUNCIL WILL COMMISSION THE NEXT WORK, THE FUNDRAISING FEASIBILITY STUDY AND EARLY PHYSICAL PLANNING.

THE TOWN WOULD LIKELY STAY INVOLVED IN SORT OF WORKING ON THE SITE OR NEGOTIATING A LEASE OR A DEVELOPMENT DEAL WITH A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PARTNER.

PROJECT, UM, $56 MILLION WAS RAISED FROM COMMUNITY, UH, DONATIONS.

UM, UH, A LITTLE BIT OLDER PROJECT, BUT VERY INTERESTING.

DOWN IN DAYTON, THE CITY WAS LOOKING FOR SOME TIME AS TO HOW TO ADD NEW PERFORMING ARTS FACILITIES.

UM, THEY ULTIMATELY DECIDED TO USE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT MODEL.

SO THEY, UH, WENT OUT AND USED AN RFP PROCESS TO RECRUIT A DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.

AND THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PROJECT THEN SHIFTED INTO THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

AND ULTIMATELY FOR THAT

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THE STATE DONATED 31 MILLION, THE COUNTY 15 FEDERAL SORT OF TRANSPORTATION MONEY, 10 MILLION.

THE CITIES PORTION WAS 7.5 MILLION.

AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY RECEIVED A SHARE OF CONDOMINIUM SALES FOR THE OFFICE TOWER THAT THE PROJECT WAS CONNECTED TO.

NEXT SLIDE, UH, UH, A RECENT PROJECT JUST COMPLETED IN CORNELIUS, NORTH CAROLINA.

UH, IN THIS CASE, THE TOWN STARTED BY DOING A $20 MILLION BOND FOR DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT, AND THEY MADE A DECISION TO ALLOCATE A PORTION OF THAT FOR ARTS AND CULTURAL VENUE, UM, AND ACQUIRED A 1.9 ACRE SITE.

BUT THEN THEY ESSENTIALLY PASSED LEADERSHIP TO NAVIGATE CORNELIUS, WHICH SPAWNED, UH, 5 0 1 C THREE, WHICH LED TO PRIVATE SECTOR CAPITAL CAMPAIGN, WHICH RAISED THE BALANCE OF 25 MILLION, WHICH INCLUDED, UH, 2.5 MILLION FROM THE STATE.

AND THAT NONPROFIT OPERATOR, UH, RUNS THE VENUE AND IT IS ALSO DOING ONGOING FUNDRAISING TO SUSTAIN THE VENUE.

UH, ANOTHER PROJECT I WORKED ON IN KETCHUM, IDAHO, A 25,000 SQUARE FOOT FACI FACILITY, UH, WITH A 450 SEAT THEATER.

IT WAS AN ADAPTIVE REUSE PROJECT IN AN EXISTING BUILDING.

THE CITY INITIATED PLANNING BECAUSE THE BUILDING HAD BEEN VACATED, THAT THEY BASICALLY FOUND PRIVATE SECTOR LEADERSHIP TO DRIVE A PRIVATE SECTOR CAMPAIGN.

THEIR COMPONENT WAS TO WAIVE $3 MILLION IN PARKING FEES AS THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO THE PROJECT VENUE IS OPERATED BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND AS AN ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET OF ABOUT $1.3 MILLION SUSTAINED BY PRIVATE SECTOR FUNDING.

AND THEN FINALLY CLOSER TO HOME, THE MCCOY CENTER IN NEW ALBANY STARTED, UM, AS A NUMBER OF PROJECTS HAVE IN RECENT YEARS WHERE THE CITY RECOGNIZES THE NEED FOR NEW FACILITIES.

THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS IN DISCUSSIONS TO BUILD A NEW, UH, AUDITORIUM AND THE CITY APPROACHES THEM AND SAYS, WELL, WHY DON'T WE JOIN WITH YOU AND, AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO SPEND MORE THAN YOU WOULD SPEND FOR A TYPICAL HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM.

WE WILL FUND THAT SORT OF INCREMENTAL INVESTMENT AND IN RETURN HOPE FOR ACCESS FOR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS.

SO IN THAT FUNDING PACKAGE, THE VILLAGE, UH, DONATED 5 MILLION IN TAX INCREMENT FINANCING, THE TOWNSHIP 3 MILLION, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT 5 MILLION, THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, ABOUT 2 MILLION.

AND THEN THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY, A PRIVATE SECTOR FUNDER, ANOTHER 1.5 MILLION, UH, FOR THE FOUR ACRE SITE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO WHAT'S CLEAR FROM ALL OF THESE PROJECTS IS THAT CITIES CAN START A PROJECT AND THEN SHIFT LEADERSHIP TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, EITHER NON-PROFIT OR FOR-PROFIT.

BUT IT, IT'S STILL CLEAR THAT IN ALL THOSE OTHER PROJECTS, THE CITY DOES REMAIN ENGAGED.

AND THAT MIGHT INCLUDE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CAPITAL PROJECT OR ONGOING OPERATING SUPPORT, THE DONATION OF LAND FOR A SITE, AND THEN SOMETIMES THE IDENTIFICATION OR LEADING THE PROCESS TO BRING PRIVATE SECTOR DEVELOPERS INTO THE DEAL.

AND I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT, THERE ARE NO EXAMPLES IN MY RESEARCH OF THE PROJECTS THAT I'VE WORKED ON OR OTHERS WHERE A CITY STARTED A PROJECT THAT WAS COMPLETED BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR WITHOUT ANY PARTICIPATION BY LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

SO THE TRANSITION CAN OCCUR, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO REASONABLE TO THINK HOW CAN THE CITY REMAIN INVOLVED OVER TIME.

AND THEN FINALLY THE QUESTION WAS HOW TO SORT OF MANAGE THIS CRITICAL PATH PLAN.

I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO RETAIN AN EXPENSIVE, SORT OF BEGIN EXPENSIVE PLANNING AND DESIGN WORK BEFORE YOU'RE CERTAIN THAT THE FUNDING IS IN PLACE, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF PHYSICAL PLANNING BEFORE THE FUNDRAISING FEASIBILITY STUDY IS DONE.

I DON'T THINK THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE ISN'T SPECIFIC ENOUGH.

THE COST ESTIMATE ISN'T QUITE PRECISE ENOUGH.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PHYSICAL PLANNING WORK TO BE DONE.

SO YOU CAN RETAIN THAT DESIGN TEAM, DO WHAT'S CALLED A PROGRAMMING STUDY TO FILL IN THOSE GAPS, THEN UNDERTAKE CAPITAL CAMPAIGN FEASIBILITY, THEN UNDERTAKE THE CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.

AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROGRESS OF THAT, THEN YOU CAN SORT OF REENGAGE THE PLANNING AND DESIGN TEAM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.

TO ACCEPT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER? YEAH, WE WILL HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS CONCERNING ACCEPTING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY? IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO NOT HAVE ANY.

THANK YOU, UH, DUNCAN.

SO CERTAINLY MR. WEBB IS, UH, AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

THERE WAS COMING OUT OF THE CDC, THERE WAS KINDA A TWO-PART RECOMMENDATION.

UH, THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION PERTAINS SPECIFICALLY TO THE, UH, FEASIBILITY STUDY ITSELF.

SO THE INFORMATION THAT MR. WEBB JUST SHARED WAS INCLUDED IN THE BODY OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TO ENSURE THAT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUESTED BY COUNSEL AND REVIEWED BY THE COMMITTEE WAS INCLUDED.

UM, AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW UP TO SOME, UH, OR MOVE ON TO SOME FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.

UM, BUT, BUT TO BEGIN WITH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE COMMITTEE'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION

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BUT I KNOW WE WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT TO COME, BUT PERFECT.

I BELIEVE A MOTION WILL BE TAKEN.

SO WE WILL CALL THE VOTE ON ACCEPTING THE STUDY THEN, RIGHT? LET ME JUST CHECK FOR BEFORE.

NO, RIGHT, LET'S JUST CHECK TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT.

UM, YES, WE DO NEED TO, UM, CALL THE ROLL OR WE NEED A MOTION.

UH, KRISTA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION? NO, WE DON'T.

WE DON'T NEED A MOTION.

OH, WE DO NOT.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE DO NEED A MOTION.

UM, THEN WE WILL CALL THE ROLL.

VICE MAYOR OSA? YES.

MS. SOLUDO? YES.

THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MOVING ON TO THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.

REALLY THESE QUESTIONS ARE INTENDED TO ADDRESS, UH, UM, TWO PRIMARY ISSUES.

THE FIRST IS THE SUBJECT OF IDENTIFYING A PRIVATE SECTOR CHAMPION, AND THE SECOND IS SORT OF WHEN AND HOW TO MOVE THIS, UH, PROJECT FORWARD.

SO, UM, THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS ARE, SHOULD THOSE BE, UH, THOSE TWO ISSUES BE TACKLED TOGETHER, UM, OR SEPARATELY? AND IF SO, IF THIS, IF THE COUNCIL WOULD PREFER A REGULAR, UH, PART OF THE COUNCIL AGENDA IN THE OTHER SECTION, UH, WORK SESSION OR, UH, CERTAINLY, UM, UM, SEND IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.

UM, AND THEN THE FINAL QUESTION REGARDS TIMING.

AT THE, AT THE CDC, THERE WAS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UM, POTENTIAL IN WHETHER IT'S THE METRO PLACE PROJECT OR WHEN IS THE RIGHT TIMING TO, TO MOVE FORWARD OR, YOU KNOW, UM, KINDA LOOK AT THE NEXT STEPS OF THIS PROJECT.

SO DUNCAN AND I ARE CERTAINLY AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND I WOULD, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK.

THANKS, ROBERT.

I KNOW WE WILL HAVE QUESTIONS NOW.

UM, KATHY, DID YOU HAVE SOME, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR DUNCAN IF I COULD.

UM, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE ROBERT, TO THE SLIDE, UM, RELATED TO THE, UM, REVENUE GENERATION? NEXT ONE? NEXT ONE.

I GUESS THIS, YEAH, THIS ONE.

UM, SO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, UPDATING THE DEFINITIONS.

I FOUND THAT REALLY HELPFUL.

I'M JUST, COULD YOU ANSWER THAT AND THEN I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, PLEASE.

SURE.

UM, SO, UH, I THINK THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT, UH, WE ARE ASSUMING THAT THE LARGER THEATER, I THINK IT IS USED ABOUT 200 AND 210.

I THINK IT'S 210 OR MAYBE 220 DAYS A YEAR.

THE COMBINATION OF PERFORMANCES, UH, AND REHEARSALS AND THE SMALLER, THE KIND OF THE MULTIPURPOSE SPACE IS A LITTLE BIT BUSIER THAN THAT.

AGAIN, WE WANTED TO BE FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE ABOUT THAT LEVEL OF UTILIZATION.

UH, REALLY ANYTHING OVER SORT OF 300 DAYS OF USE, YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE TO FULL CAPACITY, BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE SORT OF TURNOVER DAYS AND MAINTENANCE DAYS.

SO I FEEL LIKE THE LEVEL OF, OF UTILIZATION IS HIGH, BUT IT DOES LEAVE SOME ROOM FOR GROWTH, AND IT IS SORT OF SOMEWHAT CONSERVATIVE, JUST SO THE FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS ARE SOMEWHAT CONSERVATIVE.

GREAT.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

AND THEN THE, THE SECOND QUESTION, UM, AND I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH YOUR, UH, REVIEW OF OTHER, UM, UH, FACILITIES, SO GOOD EXAMPLES OF FUNDRAISING, CAPITAL FUNDRAISING.

UM, HOW ABOUT THE ONGOING OPERATIONAL, UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, ON THIS EXAMPLE, THERE'S, IT IS, IT IS NOT SELF-FUNDED AS WE SEE, RIGHT? UM, EVEN AT A FAIRLY HIGH UTILIZATION RATE.

SO, UM, ARE THERE EXAMPLES THAT YOU SAW OF HOW THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE WORKED ON THAT PORTION OF IT? BECAUSE THAT IS AN EQUALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION, SO YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? THANK YOU.

FORWARD, YOU WOULD CHANGE THE MODEL TO HAVE A, AT LEAST A SORT OF A SMALL OPERATING SURPLUS, MEANING HOW, WHERE CAN YOU DRIVE EARN REVENUES, HIGHER OPERATING EXPENSES DOWN, AND WHAT ARE THE OTHER SOURCES OF CONTRIBUTED INCOME THAT WILL SORT OF IMPROVE SUSTAINABILITY? UH, IN SOME CASES WHAT WE FIND IS THAT THE, THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS SORT OF DRIVING, UM, UH, ONGOING SUSTAINABILITY WHILE THE PUBLIC SECTOR PROVIDES A BIT MORE OF THE UPFRONT CAPITAL SUPPORT.

SO THERE ARE EXAMPLES OR, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS PROFORMA, I JUST SET IT UP THIS WAY TO ESSENTIALLY SUGGEST THAT, THAT THAT BOTTOM LINE IS POTENTIALLY THE CITY'S SORT OF POTENTIAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE PROJECT.

I THINK AS THE PLANNING MOVES

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IN OTHER CASES WHERE THE PUBLIC SECTOR IS MORE COMFORTABLE, UH, DOING ONGOING SUPPORT, IT'S SORT OF THE REVERSE OF THAT.

IN THIS CASE, IT'S UP FOR YOU ALL TO SAY WHERE AND HOW YOU ARE COMFORTABLE IN PROVIDING SUPPORT, WHETHER THAT'S CAPITAL SUPPORT, ONGOING OPERATING SUPPORT AND OR SITE AND OR HELPING NEGOTIATE THE DEVELOPMENT DEAL.

AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD TO BUILD A PRO FORMA THAT REFLECTS YOUR NEEDS AND THAT, AND THAT IS LIKELY TO ATTRACT THE OTHER FUNDING NECESSARY.

SO THAT WOULD BE ALSO BE PART OF THE FUNDRAISING FEASIBILITY STUDY, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OTHER FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR, INDIVIDUALS, CORPORATE AND FOUNDATION TO SUSTAIN THE BUILDING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE NOT ON THE HOOK FOR MORE THAN YOU HOPE TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR.

AND, AND VICE MAYOR DE ROSA, BY WAY OF SPECIFIC EXAMPLE, THE NEW ALBANY COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, PART OF THEIR RAISE WAS TO PROVIDE FOR ONGOING OPERATING SUPPORT.

SO IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY BEEN DONE, DONE LOCALLY, BOTH A CAPITAL RAISE AND AN OPERATING, UH, CAPITAL RAISE.

FO ACTIVITY AND, AND, AND, UH, FOLKS VISITING METRO CENTER.

AND ALL THE OTHER ONES I'VE SHOWED, KETCHUM, UH, CORNELIUS AND, UH, DAYTON ARE ALL, UH, AT LEAST 80% PRIVATE SECTOR SUPPORT OF OPERATING FUNDS.

NOT TO PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE HERE, BUT I THINK THE LAST TIME WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT MONEY WITH RESPECT TO THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, I SAID, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS THIS FACILITY, UH, CULTURAL ARTS CENTER WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL THAN WHERE THEY ARE TODAY.

AND WE CURRENTLY GIVE THEM 800 TO $900,000 A YEAR.

SO A PORTION OR ALL OF THAT COULD BE REPURPOSED FROM THAT TO THIS.

SO IN THEORY, YOU TAKE A THIRD OF THAT AND YOU FILL THAT GAP WITH BED TAX MONEY.

UH, WELL, JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS.

SO THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE IN HERE, IS THAT CONSIDERED TO BE FOOD AND BEVERAGE THAT'S DONE IN-HOUSE OR OUTSOURCED? I'VE DONE IT AS A NET REVENUE NUMBER.

MEANING IT COULD BE DONE EITHER WAY.

IT'S EITHER, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE GROSS, IT'S, UM, REVENUE'S LESS DIRECT COST, SO, GOTCHA.

I'M SAYING YOU COULD EITHER DO IT DIRECTLY OR YOU COULD HAVE A SUBCONTRACTED FIRM DOING CONCESSIONS AND CATERING, BUT YOU'RE CAPTURING A SHARE OF THAT REVENUE.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND THIS PROFORMA DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE THE, UH, EITHER DEBT IN KIND CONTRIBUTIONS OR FEDERAL GRANTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

I SEE.

NO, NO DOUBT.

OTHER COMMENTS, YOU HAVE, UH, YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THERE YOU WANT ANSWERED.

UM, SO DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE SURE.

OR DO YOU WANT ABSOLUTELY.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ASPECTS TO ADDRESS THAT.

THE CDC WANTED A DISCUSSION BY THE FULL COUNCIL.

UM, ONE IS IDENTIFYING AND, AND HOW THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO GO ABOUT IDENTIFYING A PRIVATE SECTOR CHAMPION, UM, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL LOCATIONS FOR PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST QUESTION IS, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT TOGETHER.

WE CAN, WE CAN TACKLE IT SEPARATELY.

UM, AND SO I'D, I'D WELCOME SOME FEEDBACK, UM, ON THAT TOPIC.

YEAH, I THINK, UH, THIS MIGHT BEST BE RESOLVED IN A WORK SESSION.

I THINK, UM, WE HAVE TO DECIDE, NUMBER ONE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA GO WITH A PRIVATE SECTOR CHAMPION.

NUMBER TWO, WE'RE NOT SURE OF THE LOCATION.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF IN PLAY RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE LOOKING AT METRO CENTER, AND IT MIGHT BE, THIS MIGHT BE JUST A LITTLE PREMATURE AS FAR AS THE LOCATION AND WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT IT.

SO I'D SAY SOMETIME INTO JANUARY, FEBRUARY, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND SPEND SOME TIME DISCUSSING THIS, SEE WHAT DIRECTION YOU GUYS WANT TO GO TOWARDS.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN REINER, UM, WORK SESSION.

IT'S MEATY, MEATY TOPIC, UM, THAT I THINK ALL OF COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN.

IT WOULD SEEM TO BE A NATURAL FIT FOR METRO CENTER, UM, ESPECIALLY TIMING WISE, GIVEN THE, UM, MASTER PLANNING THAT'S GOING ON THERE NOW.

UM, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A POINT OF INTEREST THAT COULD, UH, GARNER SOME, UM,

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AND THEN, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR CHAMPION, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.

DO WE HIRE A FIRM TO CREATE A FEASIBILITY STUDY? UM, DO WE HIRE A FIRM TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND KNOCK ON DOORS FOR US? UM, DO WE MAKE CONTACT TO, UH, OUR CORP, SOME OF OUR CORPORATE RESIDENTS OURSELVES? I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

I THINK A, UH, ONE OF THE, UM, SLIDES THAT WAS PRESENTED BY MR. WEBB WAS VERY INTERESTING IN THAT THE SCHUSTER CENTER IN DAYTON, HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY REALLY CAME FROM THE STATE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, I'D REALLY LIKE TO INVESTIGATE THAT AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA LOCATE THIS.

AND IT WAS SORT OF CLEVER THE WAY THEY TIED THE, UH, CONDOMINIUM TOWER TO THE ART CENTER.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE OF IN DETAIL, HOW THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED.

UM, UH, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, NOT FAMILIAR HOW MUCH MONEY YOU COULD ACTUALLY DERIVE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR FROM THE STATE GOVERNMENT FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT.

THANK YOU, CHRISTINA.

THANKS.

UM, I, I THINK THAT, UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS TODAY.

UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS, UM, A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT A COUNCIL WORK SESSION LEVEL, NOT A COMMITTEE LEVEL.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF LAYERS THAT WE NEED TO TALK THROUGH.

I I ALSO DON'T THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS AT ONE OR EVEN TWO WORK SESSIONS.

I THINK IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ITERATE THROUGH, UM, DURING MULTIPLE WORK SESSIONS.

UM, AND SO JUST FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE FOR, FOR MEGAN, FOR YOU AND, AND FOR YOUR STAFF, I, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO GET THROUGH SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.

THESE ARE VERY BIG QUESTIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, FINDING A PRIVATE SECTOR CHAMPION, DO YOU MEAN, UM, GOING OUT AND FINDING SOMEONE THAT, THAT WE KNOW? IS IT HIRING A PROFESSIONAL FUNDRAISER? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA COST DOLLARS OUTTA THE BUDGET, AND THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TO ME, IS SOMETHING THAT FULL COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT, WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AGAIN, THAT IS A FULL COUNCIL TOPIC AS WELL AS, UM, INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.

UM, SO I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH THOSE ANSWERS FOR YOU TONIGHT, ROBERT.

UM, OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT I DO VERY STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A COUNCIL DISCUSSION, NOT A COMMITTEE DISCUSSION.

UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

UM, AND I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN BEEN PUT INTO THIS.

THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP, UM, OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS.

UM, AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF LOOKING AT THINGS FROM A CREATIVE FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, WHETHER THAT'S COMBINING THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL WITH IT, OR I DON'T KNOW, ADDING ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE THE, THE, THE, THE DOLLARS WORK.

UM, WE'RE CERTAINLY A LOT CLOSER FROM A DOLLARS AND CENTS PERSPECTIVE THAN WE'VE BEEN IN THE PAST.

UM, BUT AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS NEED TO BE HELD AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY TRULY A BUDGET CONCERN.

UM, WHICH IS OUR PRIMARY, YOU KNOW, FOUNDATIONAL STRATEGIC DOCUMENT.

AMY, I'LL JUST ADD TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS DO WE KEEP THE TOPICS TOGETHER? I THINK THE POINT BEING IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN ONE.

SO WHETHER THEY'RE TOGETHER OR SEPARATE, AND MAYBE THE RETREAT IS ANOTHER WAY RATHER THAN JUST WORK SESSIONS.

I, I AGREE.

I THINK A WORK SESSION, THIS IS, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER BUBBLES UP EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS.

WE KNOW THAT THERE'S, UH, A, A DESIRE FOR IT.

IT'S A LONG-TERM PLAY.

YOU HAVE TO START IMAGINING SOMEWHERE.

UM, I THINK THAT A WORK SESSION IS A GOOD PLACE TO START.

IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE, AS CHRISTINA SAID, WE CAN'T ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS, BUT WE MAY BE ABLE TO, TO NARROW DOWN THE POSSIBILITY OF A DESIRE FOR A LOCATION, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT END UP BEING THE LOCATION.

IF THERE'S A DESIRE AND METRO CENTER WAS MENTIONED, THAT MIGHT BE INCORPORATED AS A POSSIBILITY WITHIN THIS MASTER PLAN.

AND THEN THE MASTER PLAN MIGHT DRIVE INTEREST IF THE LOCATION SEEMS ATTRACTIVE AND THE MASTER PLAN DECIDES THAT'S A PLACEMAKING, UM, AMENITY THAT THEY CAN DESIGN AROUND, UH, AS AN OPTION.

SO, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT A WORK SESSION IS REALLY IMPORTANT, SO WE CAN AT LEAST BEGIN TO START ANSWERING A FEW SIMPLE QUESTIONS, LOCATION, DESIRE, POSSIBILITIES, AND THEN, UM, DISCUSSING.

AND I REALLY LIKE, UM, UH, MR. WEBB'S, UM, EXAMPLES OF WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE.

AND

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I, I AGREE.

I THINK TO BE ABLE TO START TO DISSECT HOW THEY DID IT FUNDING WISE MIGHT GIVE US A LITTLE DIRECTION ON HOW WE MIGHT LOOK AT IT AND WHETHER OR NOT THOSE WERE SUCCESSFUL FUNDING MECHANISMS, ESPECIALLY MAYBE SOME THAT HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR MAYBE FIVE YEARS TO SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING SO THAT WE DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES.

SO I, I WOULD AGREE, I THINK THE WORK SESSION IS THE WAY TO START, AND THEN WE CAN BEGIN TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.

BUT I WOULD ALSO ASK AT THE WORK SESSION TO GET THOSE DETAILS ON FUNDING AND WHO THEY U UTILIZE TO GO OUT INTO THE, UM, PRIVATE SECTOR TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHO THEY UTILIZE TO GET THESE FUNDS IN THE BEGINNING.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY ASK ANDY.

THE LAST QUESTION IS NEAR FUTURE OR A DIFFERENT TIMELINE? UM, I THINK WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS IN 2021 AND THEN HAD OUR RETREAT IN 22, UM, I THINK THE TIMELINE WAS FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS.

AND I'M STILL FEELING THAT WAY.

SOME OF THESE PERFORMING ARTS CENTERS WERE IN THE WORKS FOR EIGHT YEARS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HURRY, AND I THINK WE KIND OF NEED TO LET SOME OF THESE OTHER PLANS FALL INTO PLACE.

SO I'M OKAY, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH RETREAT.

UM, THERE'S NO RUSH.

WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING, I THINK, AT A VERY SENSIBLE PACE.

YOU KNOW, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE A WORK SESSION, BUT THE RETREAT GETS SO HEAVY, IT, IT DESERVES A GOOD CONVERSATION.

SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF THE, IF THE WORK SESSION IS THE CONSENSUS HERE EARLY IN JANUARY, UH, EARLY IN 2020, UH, FOUR, UH, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.

I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, UH, TO, TO AMY'S POINT, IT ALSO COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOMETHING THAT WE BEGIN HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT AT RETREAT AS WELL.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE HELD AT SORT OF MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS, UH, AND I AGREE WITH TAKING OUR TIME WITH IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE SITTING THAT ARE SITTING IN THOSE TOP PRIORITY SPOTS.

AND AS WE ALL KNOW, IF EVERYTHING'S A TOP PRIORITY, NOTHING'S A TOP PRIORITY.

SO DO YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE A GOOD ANSWER TO THE THREE QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE GIVEN? ALL RIGHT.

TO RESOLUTION 80 DASH 23, ACCEPTING A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF 5 6 6 0 RINGS ROAD, SHIHAB LAW OFFICE INTRODUCE.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK AND, AND THANK YOU MR. WEBB FOR, UM, COMING AND GIVING US SOME INFORMATION THIS EVENING.

[Resolution 80-23]

SO OUR STAFF REPORT THIS EVENING IS FROM OUR PLANNER, ZACH SHAW.

EVENING.

ZACH.

UH, THIS RESOLUTION IS TO ACCOMPANY A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE SHIHA LAW OFFICE.

THIS PRELIMINARY, UH, PLATT IS THE FIRST, THE FINAL PLATT WILL COME IN THE FUTURE AS THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE PLANNING PROCESS, BUT THIS PRELIMINARY PLATT ESTABLISHES TWO LOTS OUT OF ONE CURRENT LOT, UH, LOT ONE IS 1.82 ACRES IN SIZE, AND THIS THE SOUTHERN LOT.

THIS IS WHERE THE SHIHA LAW OFFICE WILL DEVELOP, UH, THEIR PROPERTY AND LOT TWO IS JUST OVER ONE ACRE IN SIZE.

AND THAT WILL REMAIN VACANT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, AS STATED, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, SO THIS IS TO ACCOMPANY THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

BOTH OF THESE LOTS WILL SHARE ACCESS OFF OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND WARNER TEMPLE ROAD, AS WELL AS SHARING UTILITIES SUCH AS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, OF THIS PRELIMINARY PLATT BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023.

SO ACCEPTANCE OF THE RESOLUTION IS, UH, REQUESTED TONIGHT.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNCILOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THIS? UM, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

UM, IT LOOKS AS IF, UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ACCESS.

SO BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S LOT ONE AND LOT TWO, UH, ONE DRIVEWAY OR ONE ACCESS FOR LOT ONE IS COMING OFF OF EMERALD PARKWAY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND BOTH, BOTH ACCESS POINTS WILL BE SHARED WITH LOT ONE AND LOT TWO HERE.

AND IS THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ALSO AN ACCESS POINT ON WARNER TEMPLE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THAT ONE IS ALSO SHARED? YES.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, UM, A BIKE PATH THAT REMAINS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND THAT'S EXISTING AND THERE'S A SEPARATION BETWEEN HEATHER GLEN AND A, A NICE SEPARATION WITH A BIKE PATH, AND THEN ALSO IT LOOKS AS IF THERE'S A RETENTION POND? THAT IS CORRECT.

I MEAN, THE, I KNOW IT'S NOT PLANNED YET, BUT THERE'S NO, I GUESS THERE'S NO SIDEWALK TO EMERALD PARKWAY.

SO THAT GIVES A GOOD BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO, THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY, GREAT.

THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS.

I ACTUALLY HAD ONE QUESTION.

UH, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK CONNECTING LOT TOO AT ALL.

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THERE'S NO, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT COMES AROUND THE EAST AND, OR I'M SORRY, YEAH.

THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING, AND IT COMES OUT ONTO WARNER TEMPLE, BUT NOWHERE ON THE PARCEL IS THERE A CONNECTION TO EMERALD PARKWAY.

AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

AND YOU'RE SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY WITH LOT TWO, EITHER OF 'EM.

I MEAN, WE'RE BUILDING THE ROAD FIRST, RIGHT? I, RIGHT.

I MEAN, WE'RE APPROVING THE PLAT OF LOT ONE, RIGHT.

AND ON THE PLATT, AS I'M LOOKING AT IT, THERE'S STILL NO CONNECTION TO EMERALD PARKWAY AT ALL.

SO YOU ARE CORRECT.

THEY, THEIR EXISTING SHARED USE PATHS ALONG BOTH EMERALD PARKWAY AND WARREN TEMPLE ROAD, SO THOSE WOULD BE PRIVATE CONNECTIONS THAT WERE APPROVED AS PART OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, CONNECTING THE BUILDING AND THE SITE TO THAT .

SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA WANT PEOPLE TO WALK OVER THE MOUND OR WALK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVE AISLE.

I'M SAYING THERE'S NO SIDEWALK IS WHAT I'M WONDERING.

THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTS DOWN AT THE, TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION OF WARREN TEMPLE ROAD AND EMERALD PARKWAY.

UM, AND THAT WAS TO MINIMIZE THE CONNECTIONS AND DISTURBANCES ALONG THAT BUFFERING THAT YOU HAVE THERE BETWEEN EMERALD PARKWAY AND WARREN TEMPLE AND THE SITE.

UM, ZACH, IS IT, UH, UH, TO AMY'S QUESTION IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THOSE CONNECTIONS COME LATER ON, DON'T THEY? AS THE, UH, PLANNING ZONING TAKES A LOOK AT THOSE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS.

SO THOSE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS WERE APPROVED WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, SP SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS WHAT'S EXISTING, TOWARDS WHAT'S DEVELOPED.

UM, SO THOSE WOULD NOT BE SHOWN WITH THE FINAL APPLY.

WHAT'S SHOWN TODAY IS MOSTLY JUST THE EASEMENTS AND ANY EXISTING, UH, SHARED ACCESS, ANY EXISTING, UH, PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENTS.

AND THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS, HAS BEEN APPROVED, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT.

SO THOSE CONNECTIONS ARE ALREADY MADE? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND TO AMY'S POINT, I AGREE, I THINK THAT'S A LONG DISTANCE FOR NOT HAVING A SIDEWALK CONNECTING TO EMERALD PARKWAY.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S NO CHANGES AT THIS POINT, BUT, UM, BUT WITH ALL OF THE BIKE PATHS AND TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THIS, UM, PARTICULAR LOT, IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA.

AND JUST REINFORCE THAT SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS TO THE BIKE PASS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.

ALRIGHT.

THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY IT IS ALL UP AND DOWN EMERALD PARKWAY AT ALL OF THOSE.

UH, ALL OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS ARE AT THE DRIVE ISLES.

UM, SO BECAUSE OF THE SETBACKS THERE ARE, ARE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER, SO THE MOUNDING IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET, UM, CONNECTIVITY FROM YOU.

YOU'D BE IN A PARKING SPOT, RIGHT? LIKE THERE'S NO, UM, THERE'S NO CENTRAL PLACE TO GO.

SO THE ACCESS ALL ALONG THAT ROADWAY ARE AT THE DRIVE ISLES BECAUSE OF THE MOUNDING AND BECAUSE OF THE SHORTER SETBACKS, THERE'S ALSO AN OPACITY REQUIREMENT ALONG THE TOP OF THOSE MOUNDING, WHICH REQUIRE THE PLANTING TO BE CONSTANT IN THE ENTIRE LEVEL.

SO THIS, UM, IS REALLY, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE ENTIRE ROADWAY TREATMENT AND, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING WAS STAYING IN THEME AND REPETITION WITH THE ENTIRETY OF EMERALD PARKWAY.

UM, WE WILL, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, JENNY, YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MS. AROSE GROOMS? YES.

RESOLUTION 81 DASH 23 AMENDING CHAPTER 33, HUMAN RESOURCES POLICIES OF THE DUBLIN CODIFIED ORDINANCES I REDUCE.

[Resolution 81-23]

OUR STAFF REPORT IS FROM JENNIFER TI.

AND ONCE AGAIN, IN YOUR PACKET, YOU WILL FIND AN AMENDED CHAPTER 33 HUMAN RESOURCES POLICIES OF THE CITY, CODE OF ORDINANCES, THE AMENDMENT CITED IN THIS REPORT TO COUNCIL UPDATES THE LIST OF POSITIONS CONSIDERED TO BE IN THE UNCLASSIFIED SERVICE, AND BRINGS CHAPTER 33 IN LINE WITH ORDINANCE 46 23, THE NON-UNION COMPENSATION PLAN.

AS WAS PRESENTED EARLIER THIS EVENING, THE ATTACHED MEMO OUTLINES THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES AND THE UPDATES.

SUBJECT TO ANY QUESTIONS COUNSEL MAY HAVE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS RESOLUTION.

THANK YOU, JENNIFER.

PUBLIC COMMENT, LINDSAY.

COUNSEL, QUESTIONS FOR JENNIFER? NONE.

UM, JENNY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLAND VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES.

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ALL

[OTHER BUSINESS]

RIGHT.

UH, NEXT WE MOVE TO OTHER BUSINESS AND, UH, IT WILL BE CITY ENTRYWAY AND MONUMENT SIGNS.

UPDATE A REFERRAL REQUEST.

AND OUR STAFF REPORT IS DIRECTOR PLANNING.

JENNY ROUSE.

HI, JENNY.

HI.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A REQUEST REGARDING THE CITY ENTRY FEATURE, ENTRYWAYS AND MONUMENT SIGNS.

UM, THE CITY INITIALLY INTRODUCED THIS TOPIC TO COUNCIL IN OCTOBER OF 21, UM, WITH THE GOAL OF ADDRESSING OUR ENTRYWAY AESTHETICS AND ENSURING CONSISTENCY WITH OUR BRANDING.

UM, AT THAT POINT, COUNCIL HAD REFERRED THE DISCUSSION TO THE CDC TO REVIEW DESIGN CONCEPTS, UM, WHICH THE CDC THEN UNDERTOOK IN EARLY 2022, UM, WITH A FINAL RECOMMENDATION THEN BRING BEING BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL IN MARCH OF 22.

UM, COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AT THAT POINT INCLUDED, UM, 25 SMALL SCALE SIGNS AND SIX LARGER MONUMENT SIGNS AT KEY ENTRYWAY POINTS, UM, WITH FUNDING OF BOTH OF THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS INCLUDED WITHIN THE CIP IN 23, BUT THEN SUBSEQUENTLY UPDATED, UM, TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE 2024 CIP AS WELL.

UM, SO FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AT THAT POINT, UM, THERE HAD BEEN ADDITIONAL REVIEW BY STAFF REGARDING THE DIFFERENCE IN CONTEXT FOR ALL THESE SIGNS, PARTICULARLY THE MONUMENT SIGNS, AND A NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE FIT IN EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS.

SO THIS, IN ADDITION TO COUNCIL'S, UM, COMMITMENT TO INCLUDE ACCOLADES SPECIFICALLY TO THE PURPLE HEART CITY DESIGNATION, TREE CITY USA AND OUR BICYCLE FRIENDLY DESIGNATION, WHICH WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY INCORPORATED IN THE DESIGN.

SO THIS, UM, PROMPTED STAFF THEN TO LOOK AT THIS DESIGN, UM, OVERALL FOR BOTH OF THOSE SETS OF SIGNS, AND ENGAGE A CONSULTANT TEAM TO HELP US REVISIT THOSE DESIGNS TO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT ALL THESE GOALS ARE BEING MET.

SO OUR REQUEST TONIGHT IS TO REFER THEM THESE REVISED DRAWINGS, WHICH WE'RE STILL DEVELOPING BACK TO THE CDC FOR THEM TO REVIEW AND THEN BRING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

UM, SO AGAIN, WE JUST WANNA HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING ALL THE GOALS.

SO, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION, BUT OUR, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION OR REQUEST IS FOR THIS TO BE REFERRED BACK TO CDC.

THANK YOU, JENNY.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? LINDSAY? ALRIGHT.

COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR THING.

ON THIS A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RETURN THE MONUMENT AND SEND CITY ENTRYWAY, UH, SIGNED BACK TO THE CDC.

I'LL SECOND.

GREAT .

JENNY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

WE'RE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC GROUP UP HERE.

AFTER THE UTILITY BURIAL PROJECT ENHANCED THE PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED AND RESURFACED FRANKLIN STREET AS PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED.

UH, NEXT, THE SOUTH FRANKLIN STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, SIDEWALK MATERIAL.

AND OUR STAFF REPORT IS FROM OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, BRIAN GABLE.

BRIAN, GOOD EVENING.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL GIVE THE, UH, PRESENTATION A MINUTE, MINUTE TO LOAD.

HERE WE ARE.

EXCELLENT.

UM, AS COUNCIL REQUESTED AT THE OCTOBER 23RD, 2023 COUNCIL MEETING, WE WILL DISCUSS TONIGHT THE SIDEWALK MATERIAL COMPOSITION ON THE FRANKLIN STREET IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT.

TOPICS WE'LL BE COVERING THIS EVENING BRIEFLY ARE THE PROJECT OVERVIEW, THE COMMUNITY INPUT, CURRENT ROADWAY LAYOUT, SIDEWALK COMPARISON, AND THEN HAVE COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION.

PROJECT OVERVIEW, UM, OBVIOUSLY IS ON FRANKLIN STREET, UH, SOUTH OF BRIDGE STREET.

IT BEGINS AT SELLS ALLEY, UH, WHICH IS THE FIRST ALLEY JUST SOUTH OF BRIDGE STREET ON FRANKLIN, AND CONTINUES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WATERFORD DRIVE.

THE PROJECT AREA IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE HERE IN THIS PICTURE.

THE SECOND THING TO DISCUSS ABOUT EXISTING CONDITIONS IS THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE AREA.

UM, ABOUT HALF THE PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL.

UH, THE OTHER HALF OF THE PROJECT, UM, APPROXIMATELY FROM JOHN WRIGHT TO THE SOUTH IS IN R FOUR AND R TWO, UH, ZONING, RESIDENTIAL, UM, NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO THAT WOULD BE THE ORANGE AND THE YELLOW ON YOUR SCREEN.

BRIEF PROJECT OVERVIEW.

UM, THE PROJECT INVOLVES THE RECONSTRUCTION OF FRANKLIN STREET FROM SALES ALLEY TO WATERFORD DRIVE.

INCLUDES THE, UH, COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADWAY, UM, NEW SIDEWALKS AND ADA RAMPS AND, UH, INCLUDES STREET TREES WHERE, UH, APPROPRIATE BASED ON, UH, EXISTING MATURE TREES IN THE AREA.

UH, THIS WILL ALSO FOLLOW THE CURRENTLY ONGOING UTILITY BURIAL PROJECT, UH, WHICH IS A SEPARATE PROJECT, BUT OBVIOUSLY RELATED TO THIS PROJECT.

AND OVERALL, THE PROJECT RATIONALE IS TO PROVIDE RECONSTRUCTION

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SO OVERALL, UH, WANTED TO GO OVER BRIEF PROJECT HISTORY, WHICH STARTS WITH A, UH, PUBLIC MEETING THAT OCCURRED ON DECEMBER 1ST, 2021.

UM, 25 ADDRESSES, RECEIVED COMMENT FORMS AFTER THAT MEETING, AND 20 COMMENT FORMS WERE RETURNED.

UM, WE WILL DISCUSS THOSE SURVEY, UH, COMMENTS HERE IN A MOMENT.

THERE WAS A CON COUNCIL PRESENTATION ON FEBRUARY 14TH, 2022.

UM, AND COUNSEL REQUESTED ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL FEEDBACK AFTER THAT MEETING.

THERE WAS A SECOND PUBLIC MEETING HELD ON APRIL 20TH, 2022.

AGAIN, 25 ADDRESSES, RECEIVED COMMENT FORMS AND 21 COMMENT FORMS WERE RETURNED.

UH, AGAIN, WE'LL DISCUSS THOSE SURVEY RE UH, RESPONSES IN A MOMENT.

AND THEN THAT WAS FOLLOWED BY THE COUNCIL PRESENTATION ON JUNE 13TH, 2022, UH, WITH A MOTION THAT MADE, UH, WELL, THAT WAS MADE TO DECIDE THE ROADWAY LAYOUT.

AND FINALLY, WE HAD A PUBLIC BID ON JUNE 6TH, 2023.

WE DID RECEIVE ONE BID AT THAT TIME, WHICH WAS 65% OVER THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, AND 89% OVER THE PROJECT BUDGET.

THAT BID WAS REJECTED AND, UM, ROUGHLY TAKES US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.

SO, AS I MENTIONED, I WANTED TO GO OVER THE, UH, TWO SURVEYS THAT WE HAD, THE SEPARATE SURVEYS, UM, THAT OCCURRED, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS APART FROM EACH OTHER.

SO THE FIRST SURVEY, UM, TWO QUESTIONS ON THAT SURVEY INVOLVED SIDEWALKS.

THE FIRST QUESTION, AND ACTUALLY THE VERY FIRST QUESTION ON THE SURVEY WAS WHETHER OR NOT, UM, SIDEWALKS SHOULD BE ADDED AT ALL.

UM, SO 10 OF THE COMMENT FORMS RETURNED, VOTED FOR ADDING SIDEWALK EIGHT RETURNED TO NOT ADD SIDEWALK, AND TWO HAD NO PREFERENCE.

THE SECOND QUESTION WAS, UH, REGARDING WHERE THE SIDEWALK SHOULD BE LOCATED.

UM, AND IT WAS EIGHT RESPONSES FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, TWO FOR THE EAST SIDE ONLY, AND ZERO FOR THE WEST SIDE.

UM, THE 10 RESPONSES THERE ARE FOR THE 10 THAT VOTED TO ADD SIDEWALK, SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A, A DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMBERS THERE.

UM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE AT THE TIME OF THE SURVEY THAT ONLY CONCRETE SIDEWALKS WERE CONTEMPLATED ON THE PROJECT.

SECOND, THE SURVEY NUMBER TWO, UH, ALSO HAD TWO QUESTIONS REGARDING SIDEWALK MATERIAL.

QUESTION TWO ON THAT, ON THAT SURVEY INVOLVED THE SIDEWALK MATERIAL ITSELF, WHICH WAS BRICK OR CONCRETE, OR NO PREFERENCE.

UM, OF THE RESPONSES THAT WE RECEIVED, WE HAD 14 FOUR BRICK, SEVEN FOR CONCRETE AND ZERO WITH NO PREFERENCE.

UH, THE SECOND QUESTION ON THAT SURVEY THAT INVOLVED THE SIDEWALK WAS IN REGARDS TO WIDTH, UM, WHICH WAS FOUR FEET, FIVE FEET, OR NO PREFERENCE.

UH, 13 WANTED FOUR FEET, SEVEN WANTED FIVE, AND ONE WITH NO PREFERENCE THE MATERIAL.

UM, LAST THING ON THIS, THE MATERIAL WAS DISCUSSED, UM, WITH THE RESIDENTS AFTER THE FEBRUARY 14TH, 2022 COUNCIL MEETING.

UM, THAT WAS A TOPIC THAT WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THAT MEETING.

SO LET'S DISCUSS THE CURRENT ROADWAY LAYOUT, UH, AS IT LIES TODAY AND AFTER THE COUNCIL MOTION, THAT INVOLVES A 20 FOOT WIDE ASPHALT PAVED ROADWAY.

INCLUDES ON STREET PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY, CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET WITH EIGHT FOOT WIDE TREE LAWNS AND STREET TREES.

THIS ALSO INCLUDED THEN SIDEWALKS, WHICH WERE FOUR FOOT WIDE BRICK SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREETS.

THAT ALSO OBVIOUSLY INCLUDED ADA COMPLIANT RAMPS.

UM, AND THIS WAS TAKEN FROM THE, UH, PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING THAT WAS ON JUNE 13TH, 22.

UM, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN.

IT'S COMMU CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC DISTRICT TAX TASK FORCE AND WITH CITY STANDARDS AND PAST PRACTICES.

THIS IS JUST A, UH, TYPICAL SECTION OR VISUALIZATION OF WHAT I JUST DISCUSSED.

UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT WIDE ASPHALT ROADWAY CURB AND GUTTER, EIGHT FOOT TREE LAWN, FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK, AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY AT BOTH SIDES, UH, OF THE EDGE THERE.

SO, UM, THE REASON PARKING WAS ON THE EAST SIDE WAS THE, UH, FIRE HYDRANTS ARE ACTUALLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SO IT'S PREFERRED TO NOT HAVE PARKING ON THAT SIDE.

OKAY, SO LET'S DISCUSS OVERALL SIDEWALK COMPARISON.

UM, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SIDEWALK MATERIAL, REALLY KIND OF HAVE TWO OPTIONS AND, AND THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT IN THEIR APPROACH.

SO THE FIRST IS AT THE TOP THERE, WHICH IS, UM, KIND OF YOUR MORE STANDARD CONCRETE SIDEWALK THAT INCLUDES A FOUR INCH THICK CONCRETE BASE

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WITH A FOUR INCH AGGREGATE BASE BELOW IT.

SO THERE'S KIND OF EIGHT INCHES THERE.

UH, FOR A CONCRETE SIDEWALK STANDARD.

A BRICK SIDEWALK HAS, UH, SIMILAR COMPOSITION, BUT IT'S MUCH THICKER, UH, WITH A VARIETY OF MATERIAL.

SO IT STARTS FIRST AND FOREMOST WITH A TWO AND THREEQUARTER INCH BRICK PAVER, THEN WITH ASPHALT ADHESIVE AND A BEUM MINUTE SETTING BED, A FOUR INCH CONCRETE BASE AND A FOUR INCH AGGREGATE BASE.

SO THE, UH, CONCRETE AND AGGREGATE BASES ARE ESSENTIALLY REPEATED.

AND THEN, UH, PROJECT QUANTITIES ON THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 11,403 SQUARE FEET OF SIDEWALK.

SO ESTIMATED COSTS, THAT BRINGS US TO APPROXIMATELY $235,000 ADDITIONAL FOR THE BRICK IN THIS ITEM.

UM, THE COST DIFFERENCE PROVIDED HERE COMPARES BRICK AND CONCRETE SIDEWALK UTILIZING CURRENT TO DATE BID PRICES OF COMPARABLE PROJECTS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE TWO DIFFERENCES COME UP THERE.

UM, WE BELIEVE THIS NUMBER TO BE PROBABLY MORE ACCURATE IN A MORE COMPETITIVE MARKET.

SO HERE YOU CAN SEE TWO RENDERINGS, UH, OF THE STREET.

IF YOU UTILIZE TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT WOULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE WITH A CONCRETE SIDEWALK.

AND ON THE LEFT IS, UH, THE SAME RENDERING, SAME LOCATION, UH, SHOWING POTENTIALLY A A, I'M SORRY, ON THE RIGHT IS BRICK ON THE LEFT IS CONCRETE, CORRECT.

SORRY.

ALRIGHT, SORRY, THOUGHT I SKIPPED A SLIDE THERE.

FRANKLIN STREET.

UH, SO FOR THE PROJECT TIMELINES RIGHT NOW WE ARE AWAITING REVISED BID DOCUMENTS.

YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS MEETING WE WILL FINALIZE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHAT OUR, OUR PLANS ARE AND WHAT OUR DETAILS ARE.

WE'LL MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED, AND THEN THAT'LL DETERMINE OUR SPECIFIC PROJECT ADVERTISEMENT AND BID DATES.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ADVERTISEMENT PROBABLY SOMETIME MID TO LATE DECEMBER, UM, CONTINUING THROUGH FEBRUARY, UM, WITH A COUNCIL ACCEPTANCE, UH, LIKELY IN MARCH.

AND HOPEFULLY IT'D BE ABLE TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN LATE MARCH OF 24.

UH, THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD, UH, MORE THAN LIKELY BE COMPLETE BY OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER OF 24.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, LARGE LEAD TIME ITEMS ON THIS PROJECT, SO NO SIGNAL WORK AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD, UH, NORMALLY GIVE US CONCERNS THERE.

SO LASTLY, UM, WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PASS ON TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.

SO FIRST DISCUSSION WILL BE, YOU KNOW, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SIDEWALK MATERIAL COMPOSITION.

AND THEN, THEN THE SECOND THING AND, AND THE IMPORTANT ITEM WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE DIRECTION OF WHAT IS COUNCIL'S DIRECTION REGARDING THE PREFERRED SIDEWALK MATERIAL COMPOSITION ON FRANKLIN STREET BETWEEN SELLS ALLEY AND WATERFORD DRIVE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT LINDSEY.

I THINK WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS.

WE SURE DO.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL RE WE RECEIVED 14 COMMENTS THROUGH THE CITY WEBSITE ON THIS TOPIC OF THE 1412 EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR BRICK SIDEWALKS WITH MANY INDICATING THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE CITY SHOULD BE HELD TO THE SAME HIGH STANDARDS AS RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES IN THE DISTRICT.

ONE COMMENT EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR CONCRETE SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF FRANKLIN STREET AND ONE EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR SIDEWALKS, BUT INDIFFERENCE REGARDING THE MATERIAL.

SEVERAL OF THE COMMENTS REFLECTED THAT THEY DID NOT INITIALLY WANT SIDEWALKS AT ALL, BUT IF THERE ARE SIDEWALKS, THEY WANT THEM TO BE BRICK.

MANY OF THE COMMENTERS EXPRESSED APPRECIATION FOR COUNCIL, ALLOWING THEM TO WEIGH IN BEFORE MAKING THIS DECISION.

10 OF THOSE 14 COMMENTS CAME IN AHEAD OF TODAY'S MEETING AND WERE PROVIDED TO THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IN YOUR PACKETS.

FOUR COMMENTS CAME IN TODAY, AND WERE NOT PROVIDED TO COUNCIL AHEAD OF TIME.

SO I WILL RE-READ THOSE FOR YOU HERE TONIGHT.

COMMENT NUMBER ONE IS FROM GERALD AND DIANA TOUT AT 1 7 2 FRANKLIN STREET.

PER A RECENT LETTER RECEIVED FROM THE CITY, WE WERE INFORMED THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL BE REVISITING THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL FOR THE PROPOSED SIDEWALKS ALONG FRANKLIN STREET.

DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION BID PREVIOUSLY RECEIVING, EXCEEDING THE ESTIMATED COST BY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, THE CITY IS CONSIDERING ONE ITEM OUT OF MANY OPTIONS TO TRY TO REDUCE THE COST OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS TO REPLACE THE BRICK WITH CONCRETE FOR THE SIDEWALKS.

WHILE WE CAN ALL APPRECIATE THE CITY TRYING TO SAVE MONEY, THE BRICK SIDEWALKS ARE AN INVESTMENT LIKE ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENT MADE IN THE CITY WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS, THE HOMEOWNERS ALONG FRANKLIN STREET HAVE AND CONTINUE TO MAKE SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENTS IN THEIR PROPERTIES.

IF CITY COUNCIL MADE DECISIONS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, ET CETERA, BASED SOLELY ON COSTS, DUBLIN WOULD NOT BE THE GREAT CITY THAT IT IS TODAY.

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FRANKLIN STREET IS A BEAUTIFUL STREET WITH ITS MATURE TREES OF VARIOUS SPECIES AND SIZES, LARGE, LOTS AND UNIQUE HOMES.

WE LIKE TO CALL IT OUR LITTLE PIECE OF THE COUNTRY IN THE CITY DUE TO THE WELL KEPT BUT LESS REFINED NATURE OF THE OVERALL LANDSCAPE.

IT IS A RARE GEM AND IT IS THE HEART OF DUBLIN.

WHILE WE WOULD PERSONALLY PREFER TO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS, NOT HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT TREE LAWN WITH THE SAME SPECIES OF TREES PLANTED ALONG THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR AND NOT LOSE SO MANY MATURE TREES TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK, WE DO APPRECIATE THAT CITY COUNCIL AGREED TO INSTALL BRICK SIDEWALKS TO ATTEMPT TO SALVAGE SOME OF THE EXISTING CHARM AND CHARACTER OF THE STREET.

THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THE ENGINEERING STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL WORKED TOGETHER DURING THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS FOR THE STREET AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS ALONG FRANKLIN STREET.

NONE OF THE DECISIONS WERE MADE QUICKLY AND WITHOUT GREAT CONSIDERATION.

ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG FRANKLIN STREET AGREED TO DONATE USE BY THE CITY WITHOUT COMPENSATION THEIR LAND TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALKS.

THESE AGREEMENTS WERE SIGNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE BUILT AS SPECIFIED IN THE PLANS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO EACH PROPERTY OWNER.

BASED ON THE SURVEY QUESTION OF BRICK VERSUS CONCRETE, THE REPLIES WERE OVERWHELMINGLY IN FAVOR OF BRICK.

THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST BRICK ARE THE SAME AS THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST SIDEWALKS.

IN GENERAL, SIDEWALKS ARE INCREASING THE COST OF THE PROJECT.

THEY MUST BE SHOVELED, THEY WILL REQUIRE FUTURE MAINTENANCE, AND THEY DO NOT MATCH THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF FRANKLIN STREET AS A WALKABLE STREET WITHOUT SIDEWALKS.

THE SIDEWALKS AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED, ARE BEING RETROFITTED INTO A VERY MATURE AREA WITH THE SAME STANDARDS AS IF THEY'RE BEING INSTALLED INTO A NEW SUBDIVISION.

THE ONE AND ONLY DESIGN FEATURE OF THE SIDEWALKS IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED THAT FITS WITH THE EXISTING SURROUNDINGS, IS THAT THEY WILL BE BRICK IF SIDEWALKS ARE TO BE INSTALLED.

THE INCREASED COST OF THE BRICK FOR THE SIDEWALK SHOULD BE VIEWED AS AN INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT MERELY AS A HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COST.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME TO CONSIDER THIS IMPORTANT MATTER THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTS OUR PROPERTY.

WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT CITY COUNCIL HONOR ITS COMMITMENT TO US AS RESIDENTS TO UTILIZE BRICK IF SIDEWALKS ARE INSTALLED ALONG FRANKLIN STREET.

COMMENT NUMBER TWO, FROM ALANIA FRANK AT 85 FRANKLIN STREET, PRESERVING HISTORICAL CHARACTER, THE STABLE BRICK SIDEWALKS ARE A VITAL PART OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT'S CHARACTER.

THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHARM AND AUTHENTICITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY MAINTAINING THESE SIDEWALKS.

WE ARE NOT JUST PRESERVING A PIECE OF THE PAST, BUT CREATING A LIVING CONNECTION TO OUR COMMUNITY'S HISTORY.

CONSISTENCY IN HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

AS RESIDENTS, WE ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW STRICT HISTORIC PRESERVATION RULES TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF OUR HOMES.

IT ONLY SEEMS FAIR THAT THIS CITY, TOO SHOULD ADHERE TO THESE GUIDELINES.

CONSISTENCY IN THE USE OF STABLE BRICK SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT IS ESSENTIAL FOR UPHOLDING THE SHARE HISTORIC AESTHETIC COMMUNITY DIALOGUE.

A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF RESIDENTS IN THE SOUTH FRANKLIN STREET COMMUNITIES SUPPORT THE CONTINUATION OF STABLE BRICK SIDEWALKS.

THE CITY SHOULD KEEP ITS COMMITMENT TO BRICK SIDEWALKS.

COMMENT THREE FROM MELANIE STRANG AT 75 FRANKLIN STREET.

AT THE START OF THIS PROJECT, THE CITY ALLOWED THE RESIDENTS TO WEIGH IN BEFORE DECISIONS ON THE SIDEWALKS WERE MADE.

AT THAT TIME, WE VOTED FOR NO SIDEWALKS, BUT ONCE SIDEWALKS WERE DECIDED, WE VOTED ON BRICK.

TO KEEP THE AESTHETIC OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE HOUSES WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ARE HELD TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF EXPECTATION, OFTEN AT AN EXORBITANT COST TO THE HOMEOWNERS.

IT SEEMS ONLY APPROPRIATE TO EXPECT THAT THE SAME STANDARDS OF ANY UPDATES MADE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE SIDEWALKS.

AND QUESTION F OR COMMENT FOUR FROM CHRISTIAN BAILEY AT 1 7 1 FRANKLIN STREET.

HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRIS BAILEY AND I LIVE AT 1 7 1 FRANKLIN STREET.

I AM STRONGLY AGAINST THE CITY INSTALLING CEMENT SIDEWALKS ON FRANKLIN STREET.

MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT OUR HOUSE IN 1995 BECAUSE OF FRANKLIN STREET'S HISTORICAL CHARM OF BIG TREES, WIDE STREETS, AND PROXIMITY TO DOWNTOWN THAT WASN'T IN VOGUE BACK THEN, BUT IS NOW.

INSTALLING CEMENT SIDEWALKS ON FRANKLIN WILL PERMANENTLY DEGRADE THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THIS HISTORICAL STREET.

MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL IS TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROMISED AND INSTALL THE BRICK SIDEWALKS.

IF NOT, I WOULD SUGGEST INSTALLING ANY SIDEWALKS, WHICH IS WHAT MOST OF THE RESIDENTS ON FRANKLIN STREET WANTED ANYWAY.

ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO INSTALL A BRICK SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF INSTEAD OF BOTH SIDES, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE COST BY HALF AND PROVIDE A SAFE WALKWAY ALONG THE STREET.

ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS SIGN IN TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.

AARON FRANK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND PROVIDE YOUR COMMENTS FOR THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL? AARON, IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE AND MAKE SURE YOUR GREEN LIGHT IS ON.

A NEW SIGN OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR PRODUCT IN FRONT OF THEIR STORE, THEY HAVE TO GO FOR BEFORE, UH, ARB TO GET APPROVAL TO DO THAT.

AM I ON? OKAY,

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GREAT.

COUNCIL, UH, MAYOR FOX, VICE MAYOR DEROSA, DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

UH, I'M AARON FRANK.

I LIVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I'M, UH, AT 85 FRANKLIN STREET, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN, UH, TO SHARE RE-EXPRESS MY, UM, FEELINGS ON, UH, ON, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, TO OUR STREET HERE IN, UH, ON FRANKLIN STREET.

AND SO I THINK AS, UH, UH, MR. GABLE SAID, UM, I FIRST SHARED MY OPINIONS BACK ON, UH, DECEMBER, 2021, AND THOSE OPINIONS ARE UNCHANGED FROM THAT POINT TO TODAY.

BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST SORT OF RE-SHARE WHAT THAT IS.

AND SO MY POSITION IS UNCHANGED, AND I WOULD STILL STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO CONTINUE SUPPORT OF THE APPROVAL FOR BRICK SIDEWALKS INSTALLED USING, UH, BEST PRACTICES THAT ARE MINIMALLY, MINIMALLY INSTALLED WITHIN THE HISTORIC CORE OF FRANKLIN STREET.

UM, AND AS WE SAW EARLIER, THERE ARE PORTIONS OF OF FRANKLIN STREET BETWEEN BRIDGE STREET AND JOHN WRIGHT THAT ARE WITHIN THE, UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

IF WE LOOK AT THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THE CITY, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR WITHIN THE HISTORIC CORE.

THERE'S THE, UH, THE HISTORIC CORE.

THERE'S THE, UH, HISTORIC SOUTH, UH, DISTRICT, THERE'S THE HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL, UH, THERE'S A PUBLIC DISTRICT, AND THEN THERE'S THE OUTLYING PROPERTIES.

THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE MAIN CORRIDORS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

FRANKLIN STREET RESIDES WITHIN THERE.

AND AS, BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE ARE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD, UM, THAT THE REST OF THE CITY ISN'T, QUITE FRANKLY.

SO, UH, IF I WANT TO IMPROVE MY PRO MY PROPERTY, UM, NOT ONLY DO I HAVE TO GO BEFORE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BUT THEN THERE'S AN ADDED LEVEL OF, OF, UM, OVERVIEW THAT IS APPLIED TO, TO ANY PROJECT THAT I MAY IN, IN, UH, ENCOUNTER.

AND AS PART OF THAT, JUST READING FROM, UM, THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, BRICK AND MASON AREA AND WOOD SETTING APPEAR EXTENSIVELY THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

BRICK IS USED AS A BUILDING MATERIAL AS WELL AS A PAVING MATERIAL.

SO THERE'S PRECEDENT THAT BRICK IS USED AS A PAVING MATERIAL IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

MAKING A CHANGE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS NOT, THERE'S AN ADDED EXPENSE FOR ALL THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND, UM, THAT IS, THAT IS IMPOSED TO HELP MAINTAIN THIS CHARM, THIS CHARACTER, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT.

AND IT'S, IT'S AN ADDED COST.

IT EXTENDS PROLONGS, UH, UH, SCHEDULES FOR BUILDING, AND IT ALSO ADDS A BURDEN OR AN INCREASE ON MAINTENANCE OF THESE, UH, THESE, UM, FOR THE MATERIALS THAT ARE APPROVED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT IS OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT, UH, INSTALLED A, UH, ADDED A NICE ADDITION TO THEIR HOME AND ADDED VINYL SIDING.

ME AS A RESIDENT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, I COULD NOT USE A VINYL SIDING PRODUCT, EVEN THOUGH MY HOUSE ORIGINALLY I HAD ALUMINUM SIDING ON IT.

WHEN I WENT TO INSTALL, FOLLOWING THE SUPER DRACO STORM WINDSTORM ABOUT A DECADE AGO, UH, BLEW A SILVER MAPLE TREE INTO THE HOUSE, INTO THE ROOF, INTO THE FRONT YARD.

UM, WHEN I WANTED TO UPGRADE THE SIDING MATERIAL ON THAT, I HAD TO GO, UH, HIRE AN ARCHITECT, GET FULL RENDERINGS OF THE PROPERTY, SELECT THE MATERIAL, GO BEFORE ARB GO BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING, JUST TO BE ABLE TO SAY, I WANT TO AUGMENT MY HOUSE WITH A BUILDING MATERIAL THAT IS CONSISTENTLY USED THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT BLENDS WITHIN THERE.

IT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT FUNDAMENTALLY, MY WIFE AND I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTHWHILE, UH, TO JUST SORT OF GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND, AND PROVIDE THAT ENHANCEMENT.

SO WHAT I THINK WE'RE REALLY SEEING HERE IS NOT REALLY A SELECTION OF BRICK VERSUS CONCRETE OR FOR THAT MATTER, IS IT ASPHALT OR IS IT WOOD CHIPS OVER A DIRT PATH, OR IS IT PEA STONE OR IS IT COBBLESTONE, OR IS IT, UH, ASPHALT WITH, UH, WITH CHIP AND SEAL? ANY OF THOSE, UH, DIFFERENT MATERIALS.

WHAT WE'RE REALLY ASKING HERE IS A UNIFORM APPLICATION OF THE STANDARD THAT IS BEING IMPOSED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT'S BEING IMPOSED ON THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.

WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT A,

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BUT IT'S A UNIFORM APPLICATION OF THAT STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD.

UH, IF I DO THAT, THERE ARE LEGAL REMEDIES THAT THE CITY CAN TAKE AGAINST ME IF I DON'T COMPLY WITH ARB.

AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT I THINK WE'RE ENGAGED HERE IS SORT OF A COM A COMMUNITY, UH, LED ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OF THE CITY'S PROPOSED BUILDING.

UH, IT'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION ON FRANKLIN STREET, AND WHAT WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING IS CONFORMED TO THE STANDARD THAT HAS BEEN SET LONG AGO WITHIN THE CITY TO USE BRICK THROUGHOUT.

UM, CITY HAS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILES OF, OF BRICK.

I MAJORED IT TWICE, UH, A FEW WEEKS AGO ON GOOGLE MAP.

AND, UH, IT'S NOT QUITE TWO AND A HALF, BUT ALMOST TWO AND A HALF MILE ABOUT A FOOTBALL FIELD.

SHORT OF THAT.

AND YES, THERE ARE PORTIONS THAT ARE CONCRETE, BUT THOSE, IF YOU LOOK BACK THROUGH HISTORICAL PHOTOS, THOSE ARE PORTIONS THAT WERE GRAND THAT WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN, THAT WERE, UH, CONCRETE BACK IN THE SIXTIES AND, AND, AND EVEN BEFORE THEN.

AND SO, UM, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE COUNCIL IS TRYING TO BRING TO THIS DISCUSSION.

UM, WE LOOK NORTH TO FRANKLIN STREET, UM, ACROSS 1 61.

IT'S THE NEW BUILD.

WHAT, AND I WANNA MAKE A DISTINCTION WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR.

WE'RE ASKING FOR A VERY, UM, AM I RUNNING OUTTA TIME HERE, MAYOR? FINE.

SO I'LL WRAP IT UP QUICKLY, JUST KIND OF WRAP IT UP SO THAT WE GET A CHANCE TO HEAR SOME FROM SOME OF THE OTHERS.

SURE.

APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY ASKING FOR IS A VERY SIMPLE, UH, BRICK PATHWAY.

SO UN UNLIKE WHAT WE SAW BEING INSTALLED ON NORTH FRANKLIN STREET, THE NEW BUILD, UH, UP EAST OF INDIAN RUN, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SOLID GRANITE CURBS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR, UH, BRICK LINED, UH, DRIVEWAY APRONS.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR BRICK LINED CROSSWALKS.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR 21 FOOT, IT'S 21 FOOT.

I WENT AND MEASURED IT LAST WEEKEND, 21 FOOT PAVED BRICK, UM, SIDEWALKS UP THROUGH THERE WITH CUTOUT, UH, PAVED BRICK, UH, ON STREET PARKING.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ELECTRICAL OUTLETS AT THE BASE OF EACH CITY AND STONE TREE.

NONE OF THOSE ARE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.

IT'S JUST THE BRICK THAT IS USED TO TIE AND DEFINE THE HISTORIC CORE AND LINK THAT IN WITH THE REST OF THE HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WITH THAT ANSWER, ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, BUT I, AGAIN, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, LINDSEY, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE? CHRIS BAILEY ALSO SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.

CHRIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND OFFER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THIS EVENING? I SUBMITTED MYSELF ONLINE.

IT'S ALL GOOD.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS? IS THERE ANY OTHER, ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR THING THIS EVENING THAT SIGNED IN? IF YOU'LL JUST COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

CHOICE BETWEEN THE SIGNATURE MATERIAL OF, UH, HISTORIC DUBLIN, WHICH WE ARE VERY, VERY PROUD TO BE A PART OF.

AND MAKE SURE THE LIGHTS JENNY'S GOT IT.

YEAH, I MEAN, THANK YOU.

UM, I, MY NAME'S ANDER WAGES.

I LIVE AT 86 FRANKLIN STREET.

UM, AND I'M, MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND REMODELED AND WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE ARB PROCESS TO BRING OUR HOME, WHICH WAS INCREDIBLY DILAPIDATED UP TO UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE SAME THING THAT, THAT AARON WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER.

WE HAVE TO LIVE BY A CERTAIN, UM, STANDARD IN THE, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, AND THEN FROM OUR VANTAGE POINT, AND I'LL JUST READ A LITTLE SEGMENT OF WHAT I WROTE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUE WITH BRICK, IT'S REALLY ABOUT, UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC STANDARD.

UM, THERE'S A CLEAR AND DISTINCT DIFFERENCE WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THERE'S BRICK EVERYWHERE, THE EXTENSION BETWEEN FRANKLIN STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BRIDGE, GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH, JUST MAINTAINING A SENSE OF, UM, CONSISTENCY AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH, UM, ISSUES WHERE WE HAVE PRESCRIBED LOOKS AND FEEL.

UM, AND WHEN WE'RE IMPROVING OUR HOMES, WE'RE ABIDING BY A VERY SPECIFIC CODE.

UM, AND IT OBVIOUSLY COMES AT A HIGHER COST FOR MATERIALS THAT EXPRESSLY WEAVES US DIRECTLY INTO THE FABRIC OF THE HOOD, UM, SURROUNDING HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AESTHETIC.

SO FOR US, THE DECISION BETWEEN BRICK AND CONCRETE WAS NOT REALLY A MORE EXPENSIVE MATERIAL, BUT REALLY THE

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SO, UM, WITH THAT SAID, I JUST WANNA REINFORCE OUR, UM, UH, DESIRE TO HAVE BRICKS, UH, ESPECIALLY WITHIN WHERE WE ARE, WHICH IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ME? ALL RIGHT.

YOU'LL COME FORWARD AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

ALAN SUTER, A FRANKLIN STREET.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

MAYOR FOX, VICE MAYOR OSA, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, ONE QUICK COMMENT.

UH, THE, UH, MY NEIGHBORS HAVE, UH, SO ELOQUENTLY, UH, UH, LAID OUT THE ADDITIONAL BURDEN THAT WE ARE UNDER AS A, AS A PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

JUST WANNA REMIND THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL.

UH, SOME COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WE DON'T DO THIS FOR ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, THESE BURDENS THAT WE HAVE BEEN LIVING WITH FOR ALL THESE YEARS WERE PUT IN PLACE, NOT PRIMARILY FOR OUR BENEFIT.

THEY WERE PUT IN PLACE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE REST OF THE CITY AND ANY VISITORS TO THE CITY.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT THIS, THE REQUEST FOR BRICK SIDEWALKS IS NOT BEING DONE PRIMARILY, IT WILL BENEFIT US ABSOLUTELY.

BUT ALL OF THE EXTRA COSTS THAT WE'VE HAD, THE BURDEN WE'VE HAD TO BEAR HAS BEEN FOR OTHERS OUTSIDE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT.

THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE HAVE DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.

UH, COUNSEL, UM, AND LINDSAY, YOU HAVE NO OTHERS ONLINE.

ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT.

CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF FIRST BEFORE WE START DISCUSSING? CAN YOU CONFIRM, UH, I CAN'T RECALL.

I KNOW WE OVERLAPPED THIS WITH THE BURIAL OF THE UTILITIES, SO I KNOW WE PURCHASED RIGHT OF WAY.

UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT DONATING RIGHT OF WAY.

DID WE PURCHASE RIGHT OF WAY TO COVER THE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET? CAN YOU CONFIRM THERE WAS NO PURCHASE OF RIGHT OF WAY FOR THIS PROJECT? UH, AND IN FACT, THE UTILITY BURIAL ONLY REQUIRED, UH, PURCHASING OF EASEMENTS FOR THE LOCATION WHERE THE PERMANENT, UH, BOXES AND UTILITY BOXES WERE GOING.

SO, SO THE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN EXPENSE OUT THERE FOR THE PURCHASE OF RIGHT OF WAY.

CORRECT.

UH, WHAT WAS REFERENCED IS A, UH, RIGHT OF ENTRY DOCUMENT, UM, SIMPLY MEANT TO BLEND THE PROJECT INTO THE, UH, OWNER'S PROPERTY, BUT WE'LL NOT HAVE A PERMANENT EASEMENT OR RIGHT OF WAY ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

STAFF COULD HAVE ENDED THE PROJECT RIGHT AT THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WE FELT A LITTLE BETTER TO KIND OF BLEND IN SOME OF THE GRADING, UH, TO THE ADJACENT LAND.

THEY WOULD'VE ALWAYS HAD CONCRETE, IF SIDEWALKS WOULD'VE BEEN THERE, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN CONCRETE CONCRETE'S AN EXTREMELY, UH, ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL AND THE PROPER MATERIAL FOR THAT AGE OF NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANKS.

ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL HERE? QUESTION.

OH, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, CERTAINLY THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK.

NO, I WAS, I DONE QUESTION.

I I, I CAN GO AHEAD AND START.

UH, WHEN WE HAD THIS INFORMATION PRESENTED TO US BEFORE, AND WE CHOSE TO DO SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES, BASED ON THE SURVEY, AS BRIAN NOTED THAT THAT ORIGINAL SURVEY, BOTH SIDES, IT WAS GOING TO BE CONCRETE TO BEGIN WITH.

UH, WE WENT AHEAD, WE MADE THAT DECISION THEY WERE GONNA BE ON BOTH SIDES.

WE'VE ENGINEER IT.

WE ARE PAST THAT DECISION, I THINK.

SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S JUST WHAT IS THE MATERIAL? AND I WOULD SAY, IN MY OPINION, IT SHOULD STAY, IT SHOULD BE CONCRETE BECAUSE OF MULTIPLE FACTORS.

ONE OBVIOUSLY COST THE INITIAL COST OF INSTALL.

I THINK THE OVERALL COST OF MAINTENANCE IN THE LONG TERM FOR THE, UH, CONCRETE WILL BE CHEAPER.

THE OTHER THING IS WE DO NOT HAVE BRICK SIDEWALKS ALL THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

OUR BRICK SIDEWALKS ARE IN COMMERCIAL AREAS ALONG HIGH STREET AND ONE BLOCK OF TWO BLOCKS OF 1 61.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY BRICK SIDEWALKS IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, OFF OF HIGH STREET.

UM, I MEAN, I, I GET, THERE ARE SOME ON HIGH STREET, LIKE I SAID, BUT NOT ON THE SIDE STREETS.

AND THEY WERE NEVER HISTORIC TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ANYWAY.

I MEAN, WE HAD DIRT SIDEWALKS AND THEN WE WENT TO CONCRETE SIDEWALKS.

SO THE BRICK SIDEWALKS THAT EXIST NOW, WERE A DECISION THAT COUNCIL MADE SOME 20 YEARS AGO TO PUT IN BRICK SIDEWALKS.

UH, BEING THAT THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS BUILT IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES,

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SO I DON'T, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S OUT OF THE REALM TO STICK WITH CONCRETE SIDEWALKS AND WITH, AGAIN, I THINK JUST THE, UH, COST DIFFERENCE INITIALLY, BUT ALSO OUR BRICK SIDEWALKS ARE, THERE'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE WE DO ANNUALLY ON THEM.

UH, THEY ARE TOUGHER IF YOU TRY TO DO YOUR STROLLERS AND YOUR WALKERS OR YOUR HIGH HEELS ON THOSE SIDEWALKS ON SOUTH HIGH STREET, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT SHOVELING THE BRICK SIDEWALKS.

UH, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO CONCRETE.

I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER LIGHTS ON.

UM, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE THAT THERE ARE NOT BRICK SIDEWALKS IN RESIDENTIAL.

UM, THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, WHICH INCLUDES THE HISTORIC CORE, HAS A CITY POLICY, AND IT'S CALLED THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT STREET SCAPE CHARACTER GUIDELINES.

AND, UM, THIS HAS BEEN THE GUIDELINES SINCE THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT IT HAS A PARTICULAR STREET SCAPE CHARACTER.

IT DOCUMENTS A VARIETY OF OBJECTIVES, UM, CONCERNING THE CHARACTER OF THE STREETSCAPE, AND IT ALSO SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATES THE KINDS OF MATERIALS THAT THE STREETSCAPE SHOULD EMPLOY ON OBJECTIVE TWO, THE ON GREAT STREETS.

THIS GUIDELINE STATES, AND THIS IS A, THIS IS AN ADOPTED GUIDELINE THAT THE CITY HAS USED EVER SINCE BRIDGE STREET HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN THE HISTORIC AREA.

THAT STREET SCAPE ELEMENTS AND MATERIALS, WHEN THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED AND INSTALLED, CAN BE USED TO CREATE A VISUAL SIGNATURE THAT REPRESENTS A PLACE.

THE USE OF CONSISTENT AND COORDINATED PALETTES OF MATERIALS, COLORS, TEXTURES, AND PATTERNS WILL CREATE A COHESIVE VISUAL IDENTITY FOR THE DISTRICT.

OBJECTIVE.

THREE GREAT PLACES THE DESIGNS OF PUBLIC STREETS SHOULD INCORPORATE CONSISTENT AND COORDINATED ELEMENTS WHILE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROVIDE THE VISUAL VARIETY ALONG THE STREET.

OBJECTIVE FOUR, HIGH QUALITY, QUALITY MATERIAL LIKE BRICK AND STONE ADD VALUE TO THE PUBLIC REALM.

TRANSITIONS BETWEEN DIFFERENT MATERIALS SHOULD BE SEAMLESS AND NO ASPECT OF THE STREET DESIGN SHOULD APPEAR AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

ON PAGE 14 OF THIS GUIDELINE, IT DESCRIBES THE HISTORIC DISTRICT STREET SCAPE MATERIALS SPECIFICALLY AND THE DESIGNATED AREAS THAT THEY SHOULD BE USED THROUGHOUT BOTH THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.

IT'S NOT DEPENDENT ON ARCHITECTURAL STYLES.

AS THE CONTEMPORARY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ON NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, LIKE THE Z BUILDING HAVE BRICK SIDEWALKS.

THE NEW SIDEWALKS ON THE WEST SIDE OF HIGH STREET IN FRONT OF THOSE RESIDENTS ARE BRICK.

AND THE RIVERVIEW VILLAGE CONCEPT ON NORTH RIVERVIEW, WHICH INCLUDES THREE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, CALLS FOR NOT ONLY BRICK SIDEWALKS, BUT THE CONCEPT CALLS FOR BRICK, UH, STREET SCAPES AS WELL AS GRANITE CURBING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE KNEW, UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS CONSIDERED NOT ALL OF FRANKLIN STREET IS CONSIDERED A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, IT ACTUALLY ENDS AT, UH, JOHN WRIGHT, OR YES, JOHN WRIGHT.

AND I DO, UM, BELIEVE THAT THE COHESIVENESS OF BEING ABLE TO WALK THE DISTRICT AND KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT WHEN YOU WALK ON THE BRICK SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PARAMETERS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ARE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, UM, CONCERNING THIS COST, WHICH IS A $235,000 DIFFERENCE.

I WOULD WONDER IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY IN ORDER TO SAVE THE MONEY, UM, TO BE ABLE TO LAY BRICK SIDEWALKS SIMPLY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT THE, THE STREETS SCAPE CHARACTER GUIDELINES DO CALL FOR AND POSSIBLY DO CONCRETE ON THE PART THAT IS NOT HISTORIC.

THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 753 FOOT DISTANCE FROM DUB DISCOVERY IN ITS APPROXIMATE FROM SELL'S ALLEY BEHIND LEIA LANE TO JOHN WRIGHT, UM, WHICH IS THE TERMINUS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND THEN THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 609 FEET FROM JOHN WRIGHT TO WATER FOR DRIVE, WHICH WOULD MEET UP TO CONCRETE SIDEWALKS.

THAT'S ABOUT 144 FOOT DIFFERENCE, OR 45% OF THE TOTAL SIDEWALK LENGTH.

AND THAT WOULD BE A SAVINGS POSSIBLY, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE BIDS COME IN AT, WHICH WE CAN'T PREDICT THAT BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S HIGH RIGHT NOW

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OF ABOUT $105,750 SAVINGS.

UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT THE ENGAGEMENT WITH, I BELIEVE THAT THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN INTENSIVE.

I THINK THAT THEY'VE COME TO THE TABLE WITH GOOD INTENTIONS, THEY'VE BEEN COMPROMISING.

THEY DO HAVE TO SPEND EXTRA MONEY ON, UM, THEIR PROPERTIES, AND THEY DO IT WITHOUT HESITATION BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT IT'S A REQUIREMENT.

SO I WOULD ASK COUNSEL TO POSSIBLY CONSIDER THE COMPROMISE IF, IF WE CANNOT DO, UH, BRICK SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE, BUT WE COULD AT LEAST MAKE A COMPROMISE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS THE CONSISTENCY, UM, OF A PARTICULAR VISUAL STYLE THAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF BRIDGE STREET DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, POSSIBLY MAKE THAT A POSSIBLE OPTION.

UM, I, I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SO ALL OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT GUIDELINES DON'T APPLY TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO THAT THAT DOCUMENT DOESN'T GOVERN THIS AREA.

IT IS NOT IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.

SO I THINK WITH THAT IN MIND, SO I WENT AND DROVE UP AND DOWN THE STREET THERE A COUPLE TIMES TODAY, AND I WAS LOOKING AT, AT THE, UM, DRIVEWAYS AND THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS.

MOST OF THE FOLKS ON THE, PARTICULARLY ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, HAVE WALKWAYS THAT COME DOWN TO THE STREET.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE WALKWAYS WERE CONCRETE.

ONE OF THEM I THINK WAS, I DIDN'T GET OUT AND, AND WALK ON ANYONE'S PROPERTY.

I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS A FLAGSTONE WALKWAY, BUT BY AND LARGE, THE MOST OF THEM WERE CONCRETE, UM, WALKWAYS THAT CAME DOWN TO THE STREET.

THEY TRANSITION TO BRICK WHEN THEY GET INTO THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

AND THEN THERE ARE ON THE WEST SIDE OF HIGH STREET, THERE ARE A FEW SPRINKLED IN RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

AND THERE IS ONE SIDEWALK THAT COMES, UM, ACROSS THE LENGTH.

SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY AND FOR THE, UM, THE SAKE OF NOT HAVING TOO MANY MATERIALS INTERMINGLED TOGETHER WITH ASPHALT, CONCRETE AND BRICK, UM, THAT THE CONCRETE SIDEWALK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THAT AREA.

UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I, UH, I SPENT A, A BIT OF TIME ON GOOGLE EARTH TAKING A LOOK AT THINGS.

IT'S A LITTLE EASY TO SEE FROM SPACE, IF YOU WILL.

AND IF YOU LOOK IN TO CHRIS'S POINT, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE, THE PURELY RESIDENTIAL AREAS ON HIGH STREET, THERE'S NO BRICK SIDEWALKS THERE.

THEY ARE CONCRETE.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND THINGS GET EXTENDED FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, OR THEY'RE INTERMIXED WITH SOME BUSINESSES, AND SO THEREFORE THEY'RE GONNA SORT OF FALL INTO THAT.

I'M NOT SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF JUST STOPPING THE BRICK WHERE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ENDS.

I THINK THAT ACTUALLY SENDS AN EVEN WORSE MESSAGE.

UM, IT'S LIKE, OH, HERE, YOU'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE'RE GONNA SPEND MORE MONEY ON YOUR SIDEWALK.

YOU'RE NOT, SO YOU'RE OUT.

THAT DOESN'T FEEL GREAT TO ME EITHER.

UM, AND I ABSOLUTELY HEAR WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

THEIR HOMES ARE HELD TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, THAT'S THE PROPERTY THAT THEY BOUGHT INTO.

THOSE ARE THEIR PRIVATE DOLLARS PUT INTO THAT PROPERTY.

THESE ARE PUBLIC DOLLARS AND THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE BUSINESSES, TRULY PEOPLE FREQUENT THERE, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SORT OF REITERATE, IF YOU GO UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD, ALL THOSE WALKWAYS ARE CONCRETE.

IT, IT HAS A, A DIFFERENT FEEL TO IT JUST NATURALLY.

UM, AS YOU'RE GOING SOUTH OF LA CHATAL LANE, UM, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE THE PAVEMENT ACTUALLY CHANGES.

UM, I THINK CONCRETE IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO START PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, BRICK PRY SIDEWALKS OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, HONESTLY, THAT PUTS US IN A SLIPPERY SLOPE.

IT PUTS US IN A REALLY DIFFICULT SITUATION DOWN THE ROAD RELATIVE TO, WELL, WHERE DOES THAT STOP? YOU KNOW, I, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IF I WANTED BRICK SIDEWALKS, I'D BE TOLD TO POUND SAND.

UM, I MEAN, WE HAVE PASTS.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY SIDEWALKS.

SO I I, I DON'T WANNA CREATE A SITUATION WHEREBY FUTURE COUNCILS ARE THEN HELD BOUND TO A STANDARD THAT WAS IMPOSED.

UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAPPEN TO CHANGE DISTRICTS IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROAD.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME EITHER.

I GUESS I WOULD, I GUESS, AND JUST IN RESPONSE TO THAT, CHRISTINA, IS THAT, UM, WHEN NEW CONSTRUCTION HAS HAPPENED, AND THERE ARE BRICK SIDEWALKS ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF HIGH STREET, BUT THEY AREN'T ON THE EAST, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED

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IN THAT, THE REASON I HAD SUGGESTED THAT IS BECAUSE IF WE WENT WITH THE POLICY OF THE CITY BRICK SIDEWALKS, WHENEVER THERE WAS ANYTHING NEW CONSTRUCTED WAS USUALLY PUT IN, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, EVEN THOUGH WE TOOK THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OUT OF THE OVERALL BRIDGE STREET CODE, IT STILL REMAINS EMBEDDED INSIDE THE SPECIAL AREA PLANS OF THE BRIDGE STREET CODE.

AND SO IT'S STILL CONSIDERED PART OF THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, BUT WITH ITS OWN SPECIAL DESIGNATION.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THEY CONTINUE TO USE THIS.

I WAS GONNA SAY, JANE, IT'S NOT, IT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.

NONE OF THE BRIDGE STREET GUIDANCE APPLIES TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ANYMORE.

WE'VE WROTE, REWROTE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

WE'VE REMOVED IT FROM THE, HIS, THE BRIDGE STREET, SO THE BRICK SIDEWALKS AND THE GRANITE CURBS AND ALL THAT STUFF.

AND BRIDGE STREET DOES NOT APPLY TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

WE, WE TOOK IT OUT.

THAT'S A QUESTION I GUESS I WOULD ASK TO, TO BE, UM, CLARIFIED, BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO THE CODE, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SPECIAL AREA PLAN IS EMBEDDED INSIDE THE, INSIDE THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, EVEN THOUGH, UM, IT DOES HAVE ITS OWN SET OF GUIDELINES AND ITS OWN SET OF RULES.

SO JENNY, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT? GOOD EVENING.

SO WE DID REMOVE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FROM THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT IN TERMS OF THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINES.

SO THOSE ARE OWN SEPARATE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS.

UM, FOR THAT DISTRICT.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, WHICH CURRENTLY SHOWS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE HISTORICALLY APPLIED THE BRIDGE STREET, STREET STATE STREET SCAPE STANDARDS, UM, WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO AGAIN, IT'S THESE PIECES THAT ARE, SOME ARE CATCHING UP WITH OTHERS.

UM, THE INTENT THOUGH WAS FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO COME OUT OF THE BRIDGE STREET.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT THESE ARE APPLIED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN YOU DO STREETS SCAPE, UH, WORK, THE, UM, I MEAN, THE RECENT MATERIAL, FRANKLIN STREET EXTENSION PROJECT INCORPORATES THOSE STANDARDS.

CHANGES ALL OF THE TIME AND LOTS OF PROJECTS.

SO A NUMBER OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE MADE POINTS THAT I'VE MADE IN THE PAST.

I'VE BEEN QUITE VOCAL ABOUT MY OPPOSITION TO BRICK SIDEWALKS IN THIS AREA.

AND BEFORE YOU JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS, LET ME FINISH.

UM, WE USE BRICK IN COMMERCIAL AREAS.

THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL AREA.

THOSE HOMES WERE BUILT IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES.

IF AS, UH, MS. CRA INDICATED IF WE HAD SIDEWALKS, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN CONCRETE, NOT BRICK.

UM, IF YOU GO AROUND THE COUNTRY TO DIFFERENT HISTORIC AREAS, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO FIND DIFFERENT, UH, SAY AN ARTS DISTRICT WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND A HISTORIC CORE WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO TO SAY THAT A RESIDENTIAL AREA NEEDS TO CONFORM TO THE COMMERCIAL AREAS, I JUST DISAGREE WITH.

UM, MY HOME IS UNDER ARB PURVIEW, SO I SHARE YOUR PAIN.

UM, IT'S EXPENSIVE.

UH, IT TAKES TIME, IT DELAYS, BUT THERE IS NO QUID PRO QUO.

JUST BECAUSE IT'S MORE COMPLICATED FOR ME TO GET SOMETHING DONE ON MY HOUSE DOESN'T MEAN I SHOULD EXPECT SOMETHING IN RETURN FROM THE CITY.

IN FACT, I HAVE CONCRETE SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF MY BRICK HOUSE, UH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN BRICK, UM, WHEN MY HOUSE WAS BUILT.

AND I CAN TELL YOU, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO SHOVEL SNOW, IT'S A HELL OF A LOT EASIER TO SHOVEL SNOW OFF OF CONCRETE THAN IT IS OFF A BRICK.

UM, I WILL SAY THIS, IN JUNE, I WAS ABSENT AT THE MEETING WHERE THIS VOTE WAS MADE.

AND HAD I BEEN HERE, I WOULD'VE VOTED AGAINST IT, BUT SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTED FOR BRICK.

SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMPROMISE.

WE COMMITTED TO YOU TO GIVE YOU BRICK.

AGAIN, I WOULDN'T HAVE AGREED WITH THAT.

I WOULD'VE BEEN THE LONE DISSENTING BOAT.

UM, BUT NOW THAT WE'VE MADE OUR BED, I THINK WE HAVE TO LIE IN IT.

IF THERE'S SOME COMPROMISE DOING ONE SIDE OF THE STREET OR THE OTHER, DOING HALF OF THE STREET AND NOT THE OTHER, I'M OPEN TO IT.

UM, AGAIN, I NEVER WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED BRICK IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE COUNSEL AGREED TO DO SO.

I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THOUGH, THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE COSTS WHEN THE DECISION OF MATERIALS WERE MADE, AND, AND WE MAKE MATERIAL

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SO THE, WE DID NOT KNOW THE COST DIFFERENCE WHEN THAT DECISION WAS MADE.

NO DISRESPECT.

BUT IF I'M SITTING OUT THERE, I WOULD SAY YOU MADE A DECISION ON SOMETHING AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE COST.

COMPROMISE BECAUSE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHEN YOU GET TO WATERFORD AT THE CORNER OF WATERFORD AND SOUTH HIGH STREET, THERE'S BRICK SIDEWALKS ON SOUTH HIGH STREET, BUT THEN IT'S CONCRETE ON WATERFORD.

I'LL MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

UM, UH, FROM THE COMPROMISE THAT WAS PUT FORWARD, UM, TWO FOLKS RAISED THEIR HAND TONIGHT, ONE, OR CALLED, UM, SENT A COMMENTS, UM, 1 71 FRANKLIN STREET AND 1 72 FRANKLIN STREET.

UM, I THINK, UM, THEY WERE READ IN, UM, THIS EVENING.

I, I THINK IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT COMPROMISE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THEM.

SO I, I DON'T FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE A CONSISTENT APPLIED.

SO I, I WOULD NOT TAKE THAT COMPROMISE.

UM, WE, WE, WHEN WE VOTED AND WE AGREED, WE, WE HAD A BUDGET AND THE PRICES CAME IN AT ALMOST DOUBLED THE BUDGET.

SO I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL TO BE, UM, PRAGMATIC AND TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH THEIR MONEY.

SO IF IT, I, I DON'T BUY INTO, REGARDLESS OF THE PRICE, WE SHOULD DO IT.

I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UM, GOOD STEWARDSHIP.

UM, WE TALKED ABOUT UNIFORM APPLICATION.

UM, ALL RESIDENTIALS HAVE CONCRETE IN THIS CITY, AND, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS BRICK ALONG THE COMMERCIAL, AND I THINK THAT'S FINE AND TERRIFIC, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BEGIN AS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER LUDO SAID, TO BEGIN TO START TO DO THAT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

SO, UM, FOR FISCAL PRUDENT STEWARDSHIPS, UM, AND FOR JUST FAIRNESS TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALONG THE REST OF THE FRANKLIN STREET, I, I WOULDN'T AGREE TO THAT COMPROMISE.

I, I THINK CONCRETE MAKES SENSE.

IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN THAT WAY.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S, UM, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD USE OF DOLLARS, NOT ONLY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION, BUT AS WE KNOW FOR THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE, WE SPEND, UM, A QUARTER, UH, 250,000 FOR MAINTENANCE OF BRICK SIDEWALKS IN A QUARTER OF THE ENTIRE CITY EACH YEAR.

AND WE SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND ON THE BRICK SIDEWALKS ALONE.

AND SO WE KNOW THE COUGH DI DIFFERENTIAL IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE ON THESE IS ALSO INCREDIBLY HIGH.

SO I WOULD BE FOR, UM, THE CONCRETE, MAY YOU ALL MAKE, UH, VERY GOOD ARGUMENTS.

UM, THE MID-CENTURY HOUSES DID HAVE CONCRETE, BUT I, I WAS WONDERING IF THERE COULD BE A COMPROMISE WHERE THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET IS DUN AND BRICK.

WE DO NOT PUT A SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET, IF THAT HAS ANY APPEAL TO ANY OF YOU, AND THAT MEETS OUR REQUIREMENT OR COMMITMENT TO THESE PEOPLE OUT THERE.

AND I THINK, UM, I MEAN, YOU ONLY NEED REALLY ONE SIDEWALK IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I WOULD SAY, JOHN, THEN WHEN WE SAID WE WERE GONNA PUT IT ON BOTH SIDES, WE'RE, WE'RE N*****G ON THE BOTH SIDES OF THE, I MEAN, THAT CAUSES US THE CHALLENGE.

AND I DON'T THINK CONCRETE ON ONE SIDE AND BRICKWOOD ON THE OTHER WOULD MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.

SO THAT COMPROMISE GOES BACK TO IF YOU, IF YOU WILL, THE FOLKS THAT SAY WE WANT 'EM ON BOTH SIDES.

SO I, I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A MATERIALS CONVERSATION, UM, VERSUS A RECONFIGURING CONVERSATION.

YEAH, IF YOU READ THE, UH, THE REPORT, THERE WAS ZERO INTEREST ORIGINALLY ON THE EAST SIDE ON ANY SIDE.

SO YEAH, I THINK WE'VE, WE, WE'VE ALREADY HAD COMMENTS, SO WE WE'RE JUST GONNA GO TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION NOW.

UM, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT.

UM, IF I COULD SPEAK TO THE CONFIGURATION QUESTION FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, THERE IS CLEAR STANDARD GUIDANCE THAT APPLIES CITYWIDE THAT WOULD REQUIRE SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

SO WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION ON THAT AND THAT PROMOTES WALKABILITY IN AREAS.

ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I BROUGHT UP THE COMPROMISE IS THAT IF WE WERE GOING PURELY BY POLICY, UM, AND IN PRACTICE AND PRECEDENT, AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET, BRICK SIDEWALKS ALONG RESIDENTIAL, UM, THERE'S ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE END OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, NOT ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT ON SOUTH HIGH STREET, THERE ARE ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL, I MEAN, UH, AND THE Z BUILDING ALL OF NORTH RIVERVIEW.

AND WHEN WE GO TO DO, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION, I WOULD IMAGINE DOWN ON, UM, NORTH RIVERVIEW WITH THE ATCH, UH, RIVERVIEW VILLAGE, THOSE WILL BE BRICK SIDEWALKS.

AND THERE'S THREE RESIDENTIALS DOWN THERE THAT'S AT LEAST THE CONCEPT PLAN.

BUT I'M, I SUGGESTED THEY, THE, UH,

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THAT'S NOT HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE A COMPROMISE HERE TO STAY WITH THE PRECEDENT OF WHERE THE BRICK SIDEWALKS DESIGNATE AND DELINEATE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WHERE THE CONCRETE, EXCUSE ME, CONCRETE SIDEWALKS THEN DESIGNATE OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UM, THE RESIDENTS HERE ARE SAYING.

SO I, I WON'T, UM, CONTINUE THIS.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY POSITION ON IT, BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO, UM, SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ANY OTHER POSSIBILITY OF A COMPROMISE.

THEN IF SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, WE WILL, UM, DIRECT STAFF IF THERE'S A MOTION TO BE MADE, IF I'LL DIRECT STAFF TO DO THE CONCRETE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

MR. KEELER? NO.

MS. ALITO? YES.

UM, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE ENVISION DUBLIN UPDATE.

STAFF REPORT IS FROM JENNY ROUSH.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

GET THIS STARTED BACK AT THE BEGINNING.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JOHN AND LET HIM TALK THROUGH, UM, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE BUSINESS AS USUAL SCENARIO AND HOW THAT FITS TOGETHER WITH OUR MODELING.

SO I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE, UM, TO HELP GIVE AN UPDATE TO THE ENVISION DUBLIN COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.

UM, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE COUNSEL WITH A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, WHAT THE STEERING COMMITTEE IS LOOKING AT, AT THEIR MEETING TOMORROW.

UM, AND THEN TALK THROUGH BRIEFLY ABOUT HOW WE'RE COORDINATING ALL THE EFFORTS WITH ALL OF THE OTHER PLANS AND POLICIES, UM, THAT ARE EITHER RECENTLY ADOPTED OR CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, AND HOW ALL THOSE FIT TOGETHER.

UM, SO I'M GONNA GO OVER THAT BRIEFLY AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JOHN HAE, UM, WHO IS OUR, UM, CONSULTANT OR WITH OUR CONSULTANT TEAM, HAE LEVINE, THAT'S HELPING US MANAGE, UM, THE UPDATE PROCESS.

AND HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT, UM, THE LAND USE SCENARIO MODELING AND OUR SPECIAL AREA PLAN UPDATES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.

AND THEN FROM THERE, HE'S GONNA TURN IT OVER TO PERRY MORGAN WITH KIMLEY HORNE, WHO IS HANDLING, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY PLAN.

AND THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE, UM, FOR COUNCIL.

UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.

AND WE'VE SEEN THIS GRAPHIC BEFORE A COUPLE TIMES, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH, UM, HIGHLIGHTING AGAIN, JUST THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR COMMUNITY PLAN AND HOW THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS HELP US TO INFORM OURSELVES AND MAKING GOOD LONG-TERM, UM, DECISIONS ABOUT LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY, AND HOW ALL THOSE PIECES FIT TOGETHER.

UM, WHICH HELPS COME INTO PLAY WHEN I WAS MENTIONING, UM, THE NUMBER OF PLANS AND STUDIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, UM, OR ONES THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY ADOPTED, AND HOW ALL THOSE ULTIMATELY FIT TOGETHER AS PART OF THIS LARGER COMMUNITY PLAN.

SO, UM, I DEFINITELY WANNA HIGHLIGHT PARKS REC MASTER PLAN, UM, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, OUR SUSTAINABILITY FRAMEWORK, UM, THAT ARE, AND THE METRO CENTER IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY HAD OUR HOUSING STUDY UPDATED RECENTLY.

SO ALL THOSE PIECES, UM, AS PART OF THESE LARGER PLANNING EFFORTS REALLY PLAY A BIG PART IN, UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND HOW THAT HELP INFORM OUR DECISION MAKING.

UM, AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY PLANT UPDATE ITSELF, WE HAVE, AS I MENTIONED, UM, KIMLEY HORNE IS HELPING US WITH MOBILITY AND THOROUGHFARE PLANNING, SO THAT'S UNDERWAY, UM, AND REALLY INTEGRATED IN THIS PROCESS AS WELL AS THEN WE HAVE CONSULTANT SUPPORT FOR UTILITY MODELING AND FISCAL MODELING.

SO AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO OBVIOUSLY MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE PIECES WORK TOGETHER, UM, AS WE LOOK AT LAND USE DECISIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO IN TERMS OF OUR TIMEFRAME, UM, WE OBVIOUSLY STARTED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, UM, WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH THE GOAL OF BEING DONE BY MID 2024.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN THIS SORT OF MIDDLE, MIDDLE END PHASE HERE OF LAND USE SCENARIO AND SPECIAL AREA PLAN UPDATE.

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A TA A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ZONE.

UH, MAYOR FOX AND, UH, VICE MAYOR DEROSA AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, IT'S NICE TO BE BACK, UH, THIS EVENING TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE.

NO ACTION, NO RECOMMENDATIONS, NO VOTES, JUST AN UPDATE.

SO, UM, UH, THIS IS A CRITICAL TIME IN THE PROCESS.

UH, YOU AS A COMMUNITY HAVE A LOT OF IRONS IN THE FIRE, IF YOU WILL.

THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, MOVING PARTS RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS CRUCIAL.

AND, UH, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THE IMPORTANCE AND YOU KNOW, OF A COMMUNITY PLAN TO HELP ALIGN ALL OF THOSE INITIATIVES SO THEY WORK IN HARMONY INCREMENTALLY OVER TIME TO ACHIEVE A MYRIAD OF COMMUNITY OBJECTIVES.

UH, AND SO THIS IS TO BEGIN TO EXPLAIN, UM, WHAT WE'RE WORKING OFF NOW AND WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THIS TO MOVE FORWARD TOWARD A COMMUNITY PLAN IN A LAND USE PLAN, UH, FOR DUBLIN IN THE GREATER DUBLIN AREA.

SO, REAL QUICKLY, UM, UH, WE MENTIONED A BUSINESS AS USUAL LAND USE MODEL.

UM, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN SORT OF BUSINESS AS USUAL RESTING ON YOUR LAURELS, BUT IT MEANS, UH, THE BUSINESS AS USUAL HERE IS SOUND PLANNING AND YOU HAVE A STRONG HISTORY OF PAST AND CURRENT SOUND PLANNING.

SO OUR BUSINESS AS USUAL MODEL IS THE BUSINESS OF SOUND PLANNING AND BUILDING OFF THE PLANNING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE.

AND WE'RE USING THAT TO CREATE A SCENARIO PLANNING, UH, APPROACH SO THAT YOU HAVE INFORMED DECISION MAKING OR DATA-DRIVEN DECISION MAKING.

UH, AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, ESPECIALLY FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS OUR POLICY AND THIS IS THE DATA AND INFORMATION UPON WHICH WE HAVE CHOSEN THIS POLICY DIRECTION.

SO, UH, BUSINESS AS USUAL, LAND USE MODEL, I'LL GO INTO THAT THIS EVENING AS TO WHAT IT IS.

SO, YOU KNOW, UH, TOMORROW WE REALLY ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND START WORKING WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE ON REALLY GETTING INTO THE WEEDS OF THIS MODELING, UH, TO BEGIN THAT DIALOGUE WITH THEM.

EVEN THOUGH STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT TEAM HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE, IT'S OUR FIRST FORAY INTO IT WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE.

UH, WE WILL USE THAT TO DRAFT A LAND USE PLAN AND THEN TO FINALIZE THE LAND USE PLAN IN THE MONTHS TO COME.

SO RIGHT NOW I'M SORT OF TALKING ABOUT STEPS ONE AND TWO, YOU SEE UP HERE ON OUR PATH TO THE LAND USE PLAN CREATION.

SO SCENARIO PLANNING HELPS DOCUMENT IMPACTS OF CURRENT LAND USE TRENDS AND EVALUATES THE WHAT IF SCENARIO PLANNING HAS TO SORT OF PUT ON THAT.

WHAT IF HAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE WAY THINGS ARE.

WHAT IF THIS REDEVELOPS, WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO REDEVELOP AS? WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT OF THAT? IS THE IMPACT WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE? IF NOT, SHOULD WE HAVE A DIFFERENT LAND USE CATEGORY? UH, AS FOR CONSIDERATION.

UH, AND SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF THE LAND USE PLAN, UH, BUSINESS AS USUAL MODEL IS WE LOOKED AT YOUR CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE IS 2013.

AND WE LOOKED AT ALL OF YOUR SPECIAL AREA PLANS AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM DEVELOPED IN BETWEEN 20 10, 20 13, 20 15, 16, 17, 18, 20 20, AND 2022.

THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE EITHER WORKED ON AMENDED AND OR ADOPTED AS THEY CURRENTLY EXIST RIGHT NOW.

UH, SO WE LOOKED AT THOSE SPECIAL AREA PLANS IN YOUR EXISTING PLAN TO LOOK AT HOUSEHOLDS, POPULATION AND EMPLOYMENT AS IF WE WERE GOING BY THOSE PLANS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED BY THE CITY, SPECIAL AREA AND LAND USE PLAN.

THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THAT, THAT SORT OF THAT BASELINE BUSINESS AS USUAL PLAN.

SO THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UH, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, I KNOW YOU KNOW ALREADY, BUT THE LIGHTER GREEN IS THE CITY OF DUBLIN.

AND YOU ALL KNOW WHEN YOU DO COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING OR COMMUNITY PLAN, YOU HAVE THE ENABLING, UH, ABILITY TO PLAN BEYOND YOUR MUNICIPAL LIMITS INTO YOUR PLANNING JURISDICTION.

THAT DARKER GREEN, PRIMARILY ON THE WESTERN EDGE, BUT ALSO IN SMALLER POCKETS AND ISLANDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY PROPER.

THIS IS YOUR PLANNING AREA.

THE COMMUNITY PLAN WILL GOVERN THIS, UH, POLICY FOR THIS ENTIRE AREA, BOTH THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND THIS EXTRATERRITORIAL PLANNING AREA.

OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

LET'S GO BACK.

UH, SO WHEN WE TAKE THE EXISTING COMMUNITY PLAN AND ALL OF YOUR SPECIAL AREA PLANS AND WE COMPOSITE THE LAND USE PLANS FROM ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS INTO A LAND USE PLAN FOR THE PLANNING AREA, THIS IS WHAT THAT FUTURE LAND USE PLAN LOOKS LIKE.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS A COMPOSITE NOT FROM ONE DOCUMENT, BUT FROM SEVERAL ADOPTED PLANS.

THIS IS OUR APPROACH, SORT OF SNAPPING THAT CHALK LINE OF BUSINESS.

AS USUAL.

THIS IS WHAT WE BEGAN TO TEST THINGS WITH, IS IF YOUR CURRENT PLANS THAT WERE ADOPTED AND PROVIDING POLICY DIRECTION FOR THE CITY WERE ENACTED AND DEVELOPED, UH, LAND USE PER THIS POLICY, YOU CAN SEE THAT UH, SUBSET MAP IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER SHOWS THE SIX DIFFERENT SPECIAL AREAS IN COLOR AND HOW THEY APPLY TO THE LARGER CITY AREA.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, WE HAD TO HAVE ESTABLISHED A BASIC UNIT OF GEOGRAPHY.

SO YOU ALL KNOW THE CENSUS USES CENSUS BLOCKS, UH, AND FOR THIS LAND USE MODELING, WE USE

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THIS IS WHAT MORSA USES AND THIS IS WHAT YOUR PREVIOUS, UH, TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS LOOKS AT.

AND BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH KIMLEY HORN'S TEAM AND STAFF'S TEAM TO BEGIN TO ANALYZE TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND MODELING RELATIVE TO AND DOVETAILING WITH THE LAND USE SCENARIO MODELING, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THIS WORKS.

THAT TRANSPORTATION MODELING IS SET UP ON TSS.

SO THE LAND USE PLAN IS BROKEN DOWN INTO THESE TS GEOGRAPHIES.

SO WHEN WE RUN ANALYSIS, THAT'S SORT OF THE GEOGRAPHY OF THE AREA WE LOOK AT, UH, AS WE BREAK OUT THE CITY, A TAZ CAN HAVE MULTIPLE CENSUS BLOCKS IN IT, AND A TAZ GEOGRAPHY CAN HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAND USE IN IT.

THAT'S JUST THE GEOGRAPHY WE USE.

SO WE CAN DOVETAIL THE DIFFERENT LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS, SO THEY WORK HARMONIOUSLY WITH ONE ANOTHER.

UH, SO TO PROVIDE AN ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OF THE IMPACTS OF FUTURE LAND USE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EXISTING CONDITIONS.

WE'RE NOT PLANNING IN A VACUUM.

YOU'VE GOT, UH, A TREMENDOUS COMMUNITY.

A LOT OF AREAS ARE VERY FIRMLY ESTABLISHED.

OTHER AREAS ARE NOT FIRMLY ESTABLISHED AND WILL LIKELY SEE A LOT OF CHANGE.

SO SOME AREAS YOU'RE GONNA SEE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, LIKE AN AREA RIGHT NOW THAT IS UNDEVELOPED AN AGRICULTURAL AREA, IF IT, IT GETS DEVELOPED, HUGE CHANGE.

YOUR EXISTING ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'LL LIKELY SEE VERY LITTLE IF ANY CHANGE.

SO SOME AREAS ARE GONNA CHANGE A LOT, SOME AREAS ARE NOT.

THAT'S THE CONTEXT IN WHICH WE HAVE TO PLAN.

SO WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY FROM HOUSEHOLDS, FROM EMPLOYMENT, FROM POPULATIONS TO TRY TO IDENTIFY THE AREAS MOST LIKELY TO CHANGE OVER THE DURATION OF THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN WE'RE CREATING RIGHT NOW.

SO THIS IS A MAP OF AREAS OF CHANGE FOR HOUSEHOLDS.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE VERY LIGHT, SORT OF A YELLOW COLOR.

THAT'S WHERE HOUSEHOLDS ARE LIKELY TO DECLINE A LITTLE BIT IN THOSE AREAS.

EITHER NO CHANGE OR A LITTLE BIT OF DECLINE.

AND THEN THE LIGHT GREEN, ROYAL GREEN, NAVY BLUE.

AS THOSE COLORS GET DARKER, IT INDICATES A MORE INTENSE CHANGE IN THOSE GEOGRAPHIC AREAS AND THOSE AREAS THAT YOU BEGIN TO SEE OUTLINED BY THOSE TAN LINES, THOSE TAN LINES ARE THOSE TAZ BOUNDARIES I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THOSE ARE THOSE GEOGRAPHIES WE USE FOR MODELING PURPOSES.

THAT'S SORT OF THE HOW THE CITY IS BROKEN OUT FOR MODELING PURPOSES.

AND WITHIN EACH ONE OF THOSE GEOGRAPHIES, YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE LAND USES AND MULTIPLE CENSUS UH, TRACKS.

BUT AGAIN, THE LIGHTER COLORS LESS CHANGE, THE DARKER COLORS, LARGER CHANGE, THIS MAPS LIKELY CHANGE IN HOUSEHOLDS, WE DID THE SAME THING FOR EMPLOYMENT.

LIGHTER COLORS INDICATE, UH, VERY LITTLE CHANGE IN THE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYMENT GENERATED BY THESE GEOGRAPHIES.

THE DARKER COLORS INDICATE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES OF EMPLOYMENT CHARACTERISTICS OVER THESE AREAS.

UH, AGAIN, BROKEN OUT BY THE CITY AND THE PLANNING AREA.

SO FOR AREAS THAT ARE NOT GONNA SEE ANY CHANGE OR VIRTUALLY ANY CHANGE, THE BASE FOR THE MODELING PURPOSES IS THE US CENSUS, THE 2020 CENSUS.

FOR AREAS THAT ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT CHANGE, WE'LL USE OUR LAND USE MODELING GOVERNED BY YOUR ADOPTED PLANS, ALRIGHT? 'CAUSE THAT'S RIGHT NOW WHERE POLICY IS SET, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS.

LET'S SAY THERE'S A GEOGRAPHY AND 20% OF THE AREA WILL LIKELY CHANGE AND 80% OF THE AREA IS NOT GONNA CHANGE AT ALL, RIGHT? SO FOR THE 80% OF THE AREA, SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT 20%, 20% WILL CHANGE A LOT, 80% WON'T CHANGE.

AND THAT AREA.

SO WE TAKE THAT 20% AND WE APPLY IT AGAINST THE MODELING NUMBER.

SO YOU DON'T GET THE FULL IMPACT OF THE WHOLE AREA REDEVELOPING.

YOU JUST GET A FRACTION OF THAT DEVELOPMENT IMPACT.

'CAUSE A 80% OF THAT AREA HYPOTHETICALLY, WILL NOT CHANGE.

SO WE APPLY THE PROPORTIONAL PERCENTAGE OF CHANGE TO THAT GEOGRAPHY WHEN WE RUN OUR MODELING SO IT'S ACCURATE.

UM, SO AGAIN, WE CALCULATE THE PERCENT IMPACTED BY CHANGE.

WE MULTIPLY THE PROJECTED FUTURE HOUSEHOLD AND EMPLOYMENT BY THAT PERCENT AREA OF CHANGE.

IF IT'S THE WHOLE AREA CHANGING, NONE OF THE AREA CHANGING OR ANY PERCENTAGE IN BETWEEN, NOTHING AND EVERYTHING.

UH, AND THEN WE ADD THOSE COMPONENTS TOGETHER.

SO OUR FIRST FLUSH OF MODELING THAT WE DID, WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT TEAM COMING UP WITH THE ASSUMPTIONS FROM MODELING BASED OFF THE LAND USE, PRESCRIBED BY YOUR EXISTING ADOPTED PLANS.

I'LL RUN YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE REAL QUICKLY.

SO TOTAL POPULATION, EXISTING BASELINE IS THE CENSUS INFORMATION.

UH, HL IS HOUSE OF LEVINE 2050.

THAT'S THE MODELING WE DEVELOPED WITH STAFF.

LOOKING AT YOUR EXISTING ADOPTED PLANS, I LOOK AT THE DELTA, THAT'S THAT DIFFERENCE IN THE THIRD COLUMN OVER TOTAL POPULATION, BASELINE VERSUS, UH, YOUR, UH, UM, BUSINESS, UH, AS USUAL, PER USUAL PLAN, A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT 80,000 MORE IN POPULATION.

80,000 INCREASE IN POPULATION, A 30,000, 27,000 INCREASE IN HOUSEHOLDS AND ABOUT A HUNDRED AND, UH, ABOUT 87,000, ALMOST 90,000 IN INCREASE IN POP IN EMPLOYMENT.

SO POPULATION 80,000 UPTICK HOUSEHOLDS, 27,000 UPTICK,

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TOTAL EMPLOYMENT, 87,000 UPTICK BASED OFF OF CURRENT CENSUS.

AND WHAT YOUR PLANS WOULD ALLOW IF IT WAS BUILT TO YOUR RECURRENT ADOPTED PLANS, IF EVERYTHING WAS BUILT TO THAT LEVEL THAT YOU PLAN FOR.

AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT 2040 DUBLIN, THAT COMMUNITY PLAN VERSUS OURS, UH, 2040, AGAIN, THE CURRENT MODELING SHOWS ABOUT 22,000 MORE IN POPULATION, ABOUT 4,600 MORE IN HOUSEHOLDS.

AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANOMALY.

YOUR DUBLIN 2040 PLAN HAD A MUCH HIGHER PROJECTION FOR EMPLOYMENT THAN CURRENTLY MODELING BEARS OUT, UH, BY THE TUNE OF ABOUT 40,000.

UM, YOU HAD LARGE AREAS WITH CERTAIN LAND USE AND BASED OFF THE ASSUMPTIONS OF EMPLOYMENT BASED OFF OF ACREAGE.

AND THOSE LAND USES YIELDED A LOT MORE EMPLOYMENT THAN OUR CURRENT MODELING IS SHOWING.

SO SOMEWHAT WE'RE GONNA ROLL OUR SLEEVES UP IN TO SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS ABOUT AND WHY THOSE NUMBERS ARE, UH, THAT FAR OFF.

UM, AND THEN DOWN BELOW YOU'LL SEE SORT OF THE, UH, NUMBER OF JOBS BY CATEGORY AND IF YOU WILL, SO YOU CAN SEE THERE, I'LL LOOK AT THAT LAST COLUMN OF SHARE.

UH, OFFICE ABOUT 86 UH, PERCENT RETAIL GOODS AND SERVICES, ABOUT 11%.

THE DIFFERENCE IS SORT OF PUBLIC AND OPEN SPACE.

UH, SO ACROSS THE ENTIRE PLANNING AREA, THE CITY AND YOUR EXTRA EXTRATERRITORIAL OR UNINCORPORATED PLANNING AREA, THAT'S TO THE SORT OF THAT WESTERN EDGE AND SUM UNINCORPORATED POCKETS.

UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THE CURRENT SCENARIO THAT WE HAVE.

THE, UM, UM, CURRENT PRACTICE SCENARIO, UH, NEARLY 50,000 HOUSEHOLDS.

UPTICK OF ABOUT 27,000, UH, 137,000 POPULATION UP ABOUT 80,000 AND 140,000 JOBS UP ABOUT 87,000.

SO THIS IS OVER THE ENTIRE PLANNING AREA, UH, USING CURRENT VERSUS OUR MODELING BASED OFF OF YOUR ADOPTED PLANS RIGHT NOW.

UH, SO COMPARED TO THE 2040 TRANSPORTATION MODEL, UH, RIGHT NOW WE ACCOMMODATE APPROXIMATELY 20% MORE HOUSING.

UH, BUT ABOUT 22% FEWER JOBS IN TERMS OF THE MODELING OF WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE ADOPTED.

UM, AND WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO WITH THIS, UH, BUSINESS AS USUAL THOUGH, IS TO MAINTAIN THAT ONE-TO-ONE POPULATION TO EMPLOYMENT RATIO THAT DUBLIN HAS SORT OF HISTORICALLY MAINTAINED.

SO A REAL QUICK LOOK, AND I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THESE IN DETAIL, THESE SPECIAL AREAS.

SO THERE ARE SIX OF THESE SPECIAL AREAS.

UH, THREE OF THEM HAVE BEEN COMBINED INTO ONE.

AND THAT'S THE EMERALD CORRIDOR.

SO FOR EACH ONE OF THESE, UH, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH VERY QUICKLY, PRIMARILY TO LOOK AT LAND USE DISBURSEMENT.

SO WE POSTED HERE, UH, ON THIS SLIDESHOW, UH, THE GOALS FROM THESE DOCUMENTS.

AND THERE ARE SEVERAL DOCUMENTS FOR EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS.

AND THE GOALS DON'T ALWAYS PERTAIN.

IN FACT, MOST OF 'EM DON'T PERTAIN DIRECTLY TO LAND USE.

THEY TALK ABOUT PRESERVING OPEN SPACE OR BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERISTICS, INCREASING PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY AND ACCESS, IMPROVING CIRCULATION.

SO A LOT OF THINGS GO HAND IN HAND WITH THE LAND USE FOR EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS.

UH, FOR THIS DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA, YOU CAN SEE HERE BY THE LAND USE MIX, THE TWO BIGGEST LAND USE MIXES IN THIS ADOPTED PLAN IS SUBURBAN OFFICE, THE BLUE AREA, UH, AND MIXED USE CENTER.

THAT'S THE DARK BROWN AREA.

SO REALLY THERE'S A SMATTERING OF OTHER USES, BUT THOSE TWO DISPROPORTIONATELY, UM, UH, MONOPOLIZE THIS AREA.

SO OFFICE AND MIXED USE.

IF WE GO TO THE WEST INNOVATION DISTRICT, AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE THINGS TALK ABOUT, UH, REGULATORY FRAMEWORK UPDATES, KEY PROJECTS, DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENTS, UH, INCENTIVES TO CONSIDER NEW TOOLS FOR DEVELOPERS, NOT LAND USE SPECIFIC.

IF YOU LOOK AT LAND USE FOR THIS AREA, FOR THE WID, A PRETTY GOOD DISTRIBUTION OF LOTS OF DIS DIFFERENT USES.

IT'S NOT LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER SPECIAL AREAS.

THIS HAS A PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY UNIFORM MIX OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT LAND USE TYPES THAT WENT INTO, UH, CHANGING, UH, THE MODEL COMPARED TO THE 2013 COMMUNITY PLAN.

WE DID THE SAME THING FOR THE EMERALD UH, PERIMETER NOW CALLED THE EMERALD CORRIDOR.

THIS IS THREE DIFFERENT, UH, SPECIAL AREAS FOLDED INTO THIS ONE NEW AREA.

SO THIS MAKES UP THREE HISTORICALLY, AND I'LL SORT OF GO THROUGH THESE THREE.

A LOT OF THESE GO TO RESIDENTIAL BUFFERING, PEDESTRIAN UH, AMENITIES, UH, PRESERVING OPEN SPACE AND NATURAL FEATURES.

THERE ARE A LOT OF SITE PLAN OR DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, CONCEPTS WITHIN THESE DOCUMENTS.

TALKING ABOUT HOW TO DO THIS CONSERVATION DEVELOPMENT TECHNIQUE, INCORPORATING NEW MIXED DEVELOPMENT AND MIXED NEAR DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH OPEN SPACE AND RESIDENTIAL BUFFERING.

UH, THE LAND USE MIX FOR THIS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS THREE COMBINED INTO ONE.

AND WHILE THERE ARE NINE OR 10 DIFFERENT LAND USES IN THIS AREA, THE PREDOMINANT ONE BY FAR IS SUBURBAN OFFICE IN TERMS OF THE LAND USE DISTRIBUTION.

SO AGAIN, THESE ARE THE LAND USE PLANS THAT WENT INTO THE MODELING THAT, THAT FED THE MODELING.

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THEN THE SOUTHWEST AREA IS THE NEXT ONE.

IT REALLY PRIORITIZES A MIX OF DEVELOPMENT THAT SERVICE PEDESTRIAN CONDUCTIVITY AND MAINTAINS SORT OF THAT EXISTING CHARACTER.

HERE'S WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE COMPARED TO THE OTHER ONES THAT WERE PRETTY INTENSELY DEVELOPMENT HEAVY.

THIS IS VERY DEVELOPMENT LESS INTENSIVE WITH, UH, AGRICULTURAL AND LOW INTENSITY AND MIDDEN RESIDENTIAL PRIMARILY MAKING UP THIS CATEGORY.

AND YOU CAN SEE BY THE SPECTRUM OF LAND USES, IT REALLY SKEWS OVER TO THAT LEFT HAND SIDE OF RESIDENTIAL USES AND NOT THE COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE.

UH, AND THEN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS NEXT.

UH, AND THIS IS CREATING THAT NEW FOCAL POINT IN THIS DISTRICT, CREATING MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CIVIC AND MIXED USE DISTRICTS OR USES WITHIN THIS DISTRICT.

UH, WITH REALLY KEY LANDSCAPING STREETSCAPE AND PEDESTRIAN AND HISTORIC AMENITIES.

YOU CAN BEGIN TO SEE HERE TO ACCOMMODATE A MIX OF USES.

THAT'S EASY WHEN YOUR LAND USE CATEGORY IS MIXED USE BY DEFINITION, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS LAND USE DISTRIBUTION AND THE BIGGEST ONE HERE IS MIXED USE VILLAGE, RESIDENTIAL, SUBURBAN AND PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.

SO REALLY THREE USES SIMPLY MAKE UP THIS WHOLE AREA.

AND IT'S PRETTY DELINEATED, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE COMMERCIAL ALONG THE WATER, A LITTLE COMMERCIAL ON THE WEST.

YOU'VE GOT MIXED USE TO THE NORTH AND YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH.

BUT THIS IS THE LAND USE MAKEUP.

AND AGAIN, THESE ARE THE LAND USE PLANS THAT WE USE TO FEED THAT INITIAL MODEL FOR TESTING PURPOSES AS THAT BASELINE.

AND THEN LASTLY IS THE BRIDGE IS THE BRIDGE DISTRICT.

AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.

THIS IS EVEN CONCEIVED TO BE A VERY DENSELY AND INTENSELY DEVELOPED AREA, RIGHT? AND THIS IS WHAT I THINK REALLY DROVE A LOT OF THOSE FAR, THE LOT COVERAGE NUMBERS, THE EMPLOYMENT NUMBER PROJECTIONS THAT CAME OUTTA THE MODEL THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT DISPARAGING OVER WHAT WE INITIALLY HAD PUT IN FOR OUR NUMBERS.

AND WE'LL BEGIN TO GET INTO THIS TOMORROW WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE.

UH, BUT A LOT OF THIS WAS TO ENHANCE ECONOMIC VITALITY, EXPAND THE MIX OF USES ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, CREATE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENTS.

AND THE JOKE I MADE ABOUT MIXED USE BEFORE, EVEN MORE SO ON THIS ONE, THIS IS ALMOST ALL ENTIRELY MIXED USE, BUT IT HAS A SMATTERING OF OTHER USES AROUND AND WITHIN THIS LARGE INTENSE MIXED USE DISTRICT.

BUT THIS, THESE BEGAN TO REALLY DRIVE SOME OF THE NUMBERS, UH, FOR EMPLOYMENT AND OTHER THINGS IN THE MODELING BECAUSE WE USE THIS PLAN TO FEED THAT INITIAL MODEL.

'CAUSE THESE WERE ADOPTED PLANS.

UH, SO AGAIN, THAT SHOWS YOU SORT OF THE MODELING APPROACH WE'RE TAKING.

UH, I HAVE WITH ME THIS EVENING, UH, BRANDON NOLAN FROM OUR OFFICE WHO'S THE PROJECT MANAGER.

IF YOU GET ANY NUMBERS QUESTIONS, HE CAN GET UP AND ANSWER THOSE PROBABLY BETTER THAN I CAN.

IF YOU GET ANY, ANY MODELING QUESTIONS.

AND I HOPE YOU DON'T THIS EVENING 'CAUSE THAT CAN GET PRETTY TRICKY AND NUANCED.

WE HAVE SUE JOHN FROM OUR OFFICE WHO IS IN ARC, GIS WIZARD, AND HE'S DOING A LOT OF THE MODELING FOR US AND HERE FOR OUR WORKSHOP TOMORROW.

BUT WE GOT A WORKSHOP ALL DAY TOMORROW OR TOMORROW WITH STEERING COMMITTEE AND STAFF.

UH, IN JANUARY WE HAVE ANOTHER STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING TO COME BACK TO GO THROUGH THAT DETAILED LAND USE PLAN DISCUSSION THAT WILL COME OUT OF THE MODELING EXERCISE.

WE'RE GONNA START TOMORROW.

UH, AND THEN THE END GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT DRAFT AND FINAL COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, APRIL, JUNE TIMEFRAME.

SO THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA HOW WE'RE BEGINNING TO APPROACH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LAND USE PLAN.

WE DON'T HAVE A LAND USE PLAN GOING FORWARD FOR THIS COMMUNITY PLAN.

OUR STARTING POINT IS TO USE ALL YOUR ADOPTED PLANS AND SEE HOW THOSE FARED OUT IN THE MODEL THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, UM, I THINK BEFORE YOU ANSWER QUESTIONS AS A WHOLE, UM, I CAN TURN IT OVER NOW TO PERRY FROM KIMLEY HORN.

UH, IT'S NICE WORKING WITH KIMLEY HORN'S TEAM ON THIS AS WELL.

WE WORK WITH KIMLEY HORN AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SO IT'S SORT OF LIKE, UH, HOOKING UP WITH FAMILY AT A REUNION.

YOU SEE THE SAME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE RELATIONSHIPS AND WE WORK PRETTY SEAMLESSLY.

SO IT'S NICE TO HAVE HIM INVOLVED HERE AS WELL.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO PERRY.

THANK YOU JOHN.

UH, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

UH, IT'S, UH, NICE TO BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND WHAT THAT MEANS WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.

UH, THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS REALLY THAT GUIDE THAT HELPS US IDENTIFY WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE FUTURE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AND WHAT ROADWAY CLASSIFICATIONS ARE, AS WELL AS THE NUMBER OF LANES AND RIGHT OF WAY WITTS.

IT ALSO SETS UP SOME, UH, FROM OUR CURRENT TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

IT SETS UP SOME BASIC STANDARDS.

UM, AND WE START TALKING ABOUT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF LOS AND WE SET UP, UM, HIGH STANDARDS FOR, UM, PUBLIC, UH, PROJECTS AND, UM, AND GOOD STANDARDS FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

AND THIS IS REALLY, UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A SHIFT IN PARADIGMS. 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY A PARADIGM THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE THAT PRIORITIZES VEHICLE

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THROUGHPUT AND A GOOD VEHICLE LEVELS OF SERVICE, BUT DOESN'T PAY AS MUCH ATTENTION TO, UH, THOSE VULNERABLE ROAD USERS THAT ARE BICYCLISTS OR PEDESTRIANS.

SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS WE MOVE IN THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS A SAFE SYSTEMS APPROACH.

UM, THERE ARE ABOUT FIVE THINGS ON THAT SLIDE THAT, UM, CAN HELP TO MAKE THE ROADWAY SYSTEM SAFER.

UM, THE THINGS ON THE TOP LINE ARE REALLY THE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL AND MANAGE, AND WE HAVE THE MOST IMPACT, AND THEY HAVE THE MOST IMPACT ON MAKING THE ROAD SAFER.

AND THAT'S OUR ABILITY TO DESIGN, UH, FOR SAFETY AND TO, UH, MANAGE SPEEDS.

AND SPEEDS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE KNOW FOR THE VULNERABLE ROAD USERS THAT TRAFFIC CRASHES THAT INVOLVE HIGHER SPEEDS HAVE A GREATER IMPACT AND, UH, REALLY DISASTROUS RESULTS, UH, FOR THOSE VULNERABLE ROAD USERS.

AND PART OF IT IS THAT WE NEED TO START TALKING ABOUT STREET DESIGNS THAT, UM, UH, INVOLVE WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT STREET IS AND WHAT THE CONTEXT AND DESIGN TO THE CONTEXT SO THAT, UM, STREETS THAT PROVIDE ACCESS TO HOMES OR BUSINESSES, UM, ARE DESIGNED FOR LOWER SPEED TRAFFICS.

UH, AND THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET US THROUGH THE CITY, UH, WOULD HAVE HIGHER DESIGN SPEEDS AND SEPARATE THE USERS MORE.

SO, SO THAT PARADIGM WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, WE'VE JUST SIMPLY TAKEN THIS GRAPHIC AND TURNED IT UPSIDE DOWN TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GIVE PRIORITY TOWARDS, UM, THE SAFETY OF THOSE VULNERABLE ROAD USERS.

UM, AND TO CREATE A MORE BALANCED ROAD SYSTEM.

AND IT MIGHT LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE ALLOCATION OF SPACE.

UM, AND WE USE SAFETY AND MODE SHIFT, UM, TO HELP WITH THAT SO THAT WE HAVE A MORE EQUITABLE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, ONE THAT HELPS TO MAKE US A MORE HEALTHY COMMUNITY, UM, AND ONE THAT IS BETTER FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT AND ALSO IMPROVES OUR ECONOMY.

AND WE'RE GONNA START TO TALK ABOUT, UM, DIFFERENT LEVELS OR DIFFERENT KPIS, UH, THOSE PERFORMANCE INDICES.

IN THE PAST WE'VE HISTORICALLY MEASURED THINGS ON A 15 MINUTE OR A ONE HOUR INTERVAL, AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE EVALUATED OUR ROAD SYSTEM.

INSTEAD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW FLIPPING THAT TO WHERE WE LOOK AT THIS ACROSS THE ENTIRE DAY AND WE LOOK AT, UM, MAYBE HOW MUCH WE'RE OVER CAPACITY OR UNDER CAPACITY AND WHAT THOSE THRESHOLDS MIGHT BE.

THIS IS JUST SIMPLY A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THAT GRAY, UM, UH, AREA IS THE TRAFFIC VOLUME THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT PEAKS, UH, IN THE MORNING WHEN WE'RE GOING TO WORK OR TO SCHOOL.

AND THEN IN THE EVENING WHEN WE RETURN HOME AND THERE'S A SMALLER PEAK THAT OCCURS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.

AND IF WE'RE DESIGNING IMPROVEMENTS AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, UM, THE LINES ACROSS THERE REPRESENT, UM, THE CAPACITY THAT, THE OPPORTUNITY THAT'S OUT THERE FOR EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF IMPROVEMENTS.

AND SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE THREE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE ACTUALLY, UM, PROVIDE MORE CAPACITY THAN THE GREEN LINE, WHICH, WHICH MIGHT BE WHAT WE CHOOSE TO, DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS ACROSS THE SPECTRUM OF A 24 HOUR PERIOD.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, LEVEL OF SERVICE BEFORE, UM, WANTED TO PROVIDE THESE COUPLE OF PICTURES AND THE THOUGHT THAT, UM, THE PICTURE IN THE TOP LEFT MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT STREET MIGHT NOT HAVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE LIKE THE ONE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT DOES.

UM, BUT IT'S MORE VIBRANT.

UM, THERE'S MORE ACTIVITY AND THERE'S PROBABLY MORE ECONOMY GOING ON, UM, IN THAT PICTURE THAN THE ONE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT THAT HAS THE GOOD LEVEL OF SERVICE WHERE THERE ARE VERY FEW VEHICLES ON THE STREET.

SO WHAT'S NEXT? UM, JOHN MENTIONED WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER, UH, UH, WITH THEM GOING THROUGH A COLLABORATIVE AND ITERATIVE APPROACH TO LOOKING AT THE LAND USE AND THE RESULT OF WHAT THAT MEANS FROM A MODELING STANDPOINT, UM, FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, BUT ALSO FOR THOSE SPECIAL AREAS THAT HE OUTLINED.

UM, AND WE'RE STARTING SOME OF THAT PROCESS TOMORROW, UH, IN MORE IN DEPTH, UH, SITUATION.

UM, PART OF WHAT WE WANNA DO IS TO MAKE A WHOLE MORE HOLISTIC LOOK AT WHAT, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY NETWORKS MIGHT BE FOR DUBLIN, UM, AND WHAT THOSE PERFORMANCE MEASURES MIGHT BE THAT WOULD HELP US DECIDE WHAT

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THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

UM, AND WE'RE GONNA MEET WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED PLANS AS WE WORK WITH THE LAND USE COMPONENT OF THIS.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU THIS EVENING.

UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I THINK THE TEAM WOULD BE OPEN TO HELPING YOU ANSWER THOSE.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, WE'LL ASK QUICKLY IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR.

I DIDN'T THINK THERE WOULD BE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, THIS EVENING? GREAT INFORMATION.

LOTS OF INFORMATION ACTUALLY.

ANY QUESTIONS, JOHN? YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, SUGGEST THAT ANY, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE FUTURE THAT WE HAVE OPEN STILL POSSIBLE AREAS THAT WE LOOK AT, UH, CONSERVATION DESIGN.

I KNOW WE WANTED TO IMPLEMENT THAT YEARS AGO AND, UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY, JUST BECAUSE IT'S UNIQUE AND THE ADVANTAGES OF THAT, UH, NOT ONLY TO THE CITY, BUT TO THE RESIDENTS, THE WAY THE, UH, DIFFERENT HOUSING PATTERNS ARE LAID OUT.

SO, UH, I'M HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR FUTURE PLANS.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S AN, AN OUTSTANDING RECOMMENDATION.

MORE AND MORE COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY WERE HISTORICALLY, UH, DEVELOPED, ARE LEANING REALLY HEAVY INTO THAT.

AND IT IS INCREDIBLY EFFECTIVE AT BEGINNING TO PRESERVE REALLY VALUED ENVIRONMENTAL ASSETS AND ECOSYSTEMS AND FEATURES, UH, AND STILL MEETING THE HOUSING NEEDS, THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AS IT GROWS AND EXPANDS AND EVOLVES.

SO, UH, I THINK ABSOLUTELY, UH, I THINK IT'S TO DO SO NOW WOULD SORT OF BE NEGLIGENT AS OPPOSED TO JUST SCRAPING AND PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, COOKIE GUTTER SUBDIVISIONS.

I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON.

AND THERE ARE CORE VALUES THAT DO NOT CHANGE.

I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION TO ASK YOU AS, AS YOU'RE GOING FORWARD, I KNOW OVER THE PAST AS WE'VE DEVELOPED PLANS THAT, UM, WE'VE INCORPORATED AND THEN WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK AND WE'VE MADE ADJUSTMENTS AND ADAPTED OUR PLANS BASED ON COMMUNITY INPUT, BASED ON SUCCESS, BASED ON MAYBE MISTAKES, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

DO YOU GO BACK AND AND REVIEW COMMUNITY INPUT IN RETROSPECT OF PLANS THAT WE'VE MADE? BECAUSE I KNOW NOW IN ENVISION DUBLIN YOU HAVE A GROUP OF COMMUNITY RESIDENTS WHO ARE GIVING YOU SOME IDEAS, BUT IN THE PAST WE'VE ALSO HAD LARGE GROUPS OF COMMUNITY RESIDENTS AND BASICALLY THEMES DON'T CHANGE, RIGHT? UH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? A HUNDRED PERCENT? JUST TO KIND OF SEE IF WE'RE STAYING ON A PATH OF STRONG DESIRE THEME, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE EVERYONE IN DUBLIN LOVES THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? TO MAKE, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY SHIFTS IN THOSE DESIRES, SHIFTS IN CHANGE OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS.

OR IF THERE'S A THEME THAT MAINTAINS A STRENGTH THAT YOU, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T LOSE TRACK OF.

YEAH, NO, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

UM, THERE ARE FUNDAMENTAL, I WOULD SAY CORE COMMUNITY VALUES OR PRINCIPLES OR THEMES THAT ARE GENERALLY CONSENSUS AND CONSISTENT ACROSS DECADES OF TIME.

UM, UH, THE VALUE OF INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? AND, AND THE NEED TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE THOSE AS A CORE DNA COMPONENT OF A COMMUNITY, RIGHT? UM, THE NEED FOR EFFECTIVE, SAFE AND RELIABLE TRANSPORTATION, WHAT THAT MEANS CHANGES AS TECHNOLOGY AND DEMAND AND POPULATIONS CHANGES, BUT THE CORE VALUE OR TENANT OF WHAT IS IMPORTANT DOES NOT CHANGE, RIGHT? UH, SOUND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT MEANS SOMETHING NOW DIFFERENT THAN IT DID 50 YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AGO, 30 YEARS AGO.

AND IF WE'RE GONNA BEGIN TO INCORPORATE EFFECTIVELY CONSERVATION DESIGN PRINCIPLES TO BALANCE THE RELATIVELY NEW DEMAND, UM, AND TECHNIQUES FOR SUSTAINABILITY, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING, STEWARDSHIP, RESPONSIBILITY.

SO THESE THEMES DON'T DEVIATE A LOT OVER TIME.

THE TECHNIQUES WITH WHICH THEY ARE UNDERTAKEN CAN CHANGE PRETTY DRAMATICALLY.

AND HOUSING, I GUESS IS ONE THAT WE'RE SEEING REALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, MAYBE MORE THAN MOST RIGHT NOW, IS BECAUSE THE DEMAND FOR HOUSING IS DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY EXPECTED OUT OF HOUSING STOCK IS DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS SOMEONE 20 YEARS AGO WHO WAS ADVOCATING FOR THE PROTECTION AND SOLE ZONING FOR ONLY SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND NOTHING ELSE IS NOW THE ONE SAYING WE NEED SOME MORE AFFORDABLE ALTERNATIVES TO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED SUBS BECAUSE MY WHOLE FAMILY IS HERE, I'VE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE, MY KIDS ARE NOT COMING BACK HERE.

I DON'T WANNA MAINTAIN A BIG SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

WHAT OPTIONS DO I HAVE TO STAY IN THE COMMUNITY I LOVE? THEY DON'T EXIST.

SO THAT, THAT TENANT OR THAT STAPLE OF RESIDENTIAL INTEGRITY, WHAT THAT MEANS NOW IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

BUT THE IMPORTANCE OF IT IS AS IMPORTANT AS EVER.

SO THERE ARE THEMES THAT DO NOT CHANGE

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UH, HOW YOU BEGIN TO DELIVER THEM HAS TO CHANGE OR YOU FAIL TO DELIVER THEM.

SO THAT'S WHAT AN UPDATED COMMUNITY PLAN HAS TO DO.

YOU'RE NOT REINVENTING WHO YOU ARE, YOU'RE BEING A BETTER VERSION OF YOURSELF AND TRUER TO THE VALUES THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN THERE, BUT DELIVERING IT WHEN EVERYTHING AROUND YOU IS BEGINNING TO CHANGE.

SO I, I GUESS THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO ANSWER THAT.

THAT WAS A VERY GOOD ANSWER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THIS EVENING? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL THE INFORMATION, YOUR STAFF AND STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, YOU ARE THE ENVY OF OTHER COMMUNITIES 'CAUSE WE WORK WITH A BUNCH AND, UH, GRADE A JUST FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH.

SO THEY ARE, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT COMPLIMENT.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPOINTMENT OF JEREMIAH GRACIA AS CITY REPRESENTATIVE TO THE MID OHIO REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION OR MORSEY.

AND OUR STAFF REPORT IS FROM OUR CITY MANAGER, MEGAN OOC CALLAHAN.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL BASED ON POPULATION.

DUBLIN HAS THREE REPRESENTATIVE POSITIONS ON THE MID-OHIO REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION PRESENT.

PRESENTLY, COUNCIL MEMBER AMAROS GROOMS AND I SERVE ON THE COMMISSION, AND WE NEED TO DESIGNATE THE THIRD REPRESENTATIVE AND I RECOMMEND THAT, UM, JEREMIAH GRACIA BE APPOINTED TO SERVE ON THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU, MEGAN.

PUBLIC COMMENT? NO.

COUNSEL, ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

NUMBER ONE, DRAFT PICK.

CHRIS SAYS, ALL RIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT JEREMIAH GRACIA AS CITY REPRESENTATIVE TO MORRISSEY.

MAY I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.

JENNY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

AND THEN FINALLY AT THE NOVEMBER 9TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SOLAR ENERGY EQUIPMENT UNDER THE NEW CODE AND THE CHALLENGES STAFF AND SOME RESIDENTS ARE EXPERIENCING WITH THE NEW CODE.

NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS

[STAFF COMMENTS]

OUR STAFF COMMENTS.

MEGAN, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT? GOOD EVENING.

I APOLOGIZE.

I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT I DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS THAT ARE TIMELY.

UM, FIRST I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED THE HIGHEST CREDIT RATING FROM ALL THREE RATING AGENCIES, S AND P GLOBAL RATINGS ASSIGNED.

ITS AA LONG-TERM RATING, RECOGNIZING DUBLIN STATUS AS A DESIRABLE SUBURB WITH A DYNAMIC GROWING LOCAL ECONOMY.

FITCH RATINGS ASSIGNED US A TRIPLE A AND COMMENTED THEY EXPECT CONTINUED SOLID REVENUE PERFORMANCE FROM THE CITY AND MOODY'S INVESTOR SERVICE ASSIGNED DUBLIN A TRIPLE A STABLE RATING, COMMENDING OUR SOLID FUND BALANCE, AND ROBUST LIQUIDITY ACROSS ALL FUNDS.

THIS IS A TREMENDOUS HONOR AND A LOT OF WORK FOR OUR FINANCE TEAM AS WELL AS OUR ENTIRE TEAM.

AND IT'S ALSO A TESTAMENT TO COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBLE STEWARDSHIP OF FUNDS.

THE AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION REPORTED THAT OVER 326,000 SUDDEN CARDIAC ARRESTS OCCUR IN THE UNITED STATES EACH YEAR.

WHEN A VICTIM IS TREATED WITH BOTH CPR AND AN AUTOMATED EXTERNAL DEFI DEFIBRILLATOR OR AED, THE CHANCES FOR SURVIVAL ARE DOUBLED IN CLOSE PARTNERSHIP.

THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP RECENTLY PURCHASED SEVEN AEDS THAT WILL SOON BE INSTALLED IN SIX CITY OF DUBLIN PARKS.

ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT WAS PROVIDED VIA A GENEROUS GRANT FROM THE ALADDIN SHRINERS HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION FOR CHILDREN IN THE AMOUNT OF $4,000 $225, WHICH WILL PAY FOR TWO OF THE AED UNITS.

THESE AED UNITS WILL BE INSTALLED NEAR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND AT RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

AND THE REMAINING LIFE-SAVING DEVICES WILL BE INSTALLED IN KAUFMAN PARK, AVERY PARK, DRIE FIELDS, AND EMERALD FIELDS IN EARLY 2024 IN TIME FOR THE SPRING SPORTS SEASONS TO BEGIN.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF AND WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP FOR THE COLLABORATION ON ACCOMPLISHING THAT ON THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 16TH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING DIVISIONS WILL HOST THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN ROLLOUT AND ENVISION DUBLIN PUBLIC MEETING.

AT THE EXCHANGE AT BRIDGE PARK.

TO DATE, WE HAVE JUST UNDER 200 RSVPS, WHICH REPRESENT BUSINESSES, REAL ESTATE BROKERS, DEVELOPERS, AND COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE ENERGY AND EXCITEMENT OF THIS EVENT AS WE EMBARK ON THE NEXT BIG PLANS FOR THE CITY AND KICK OFF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.

THE DOWNTOWN DUBLIN STRATEGIC ALLIANCE, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM VISIT DUBLIN CRAWFORD HO, THE HISTORIC DUBLIN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION.

DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND CITY STAFF HAS COORDINATED FOR A UNIFIED NIGHT TO LIGHT UP OUR DOWNTOWN DUBLIN HISTORIC DUBLIN RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK, AND BRIDGE PARK WILL ALL BE TURNING ON THEIR HOLIDAY LIGHTS ON NOVEMBER 16TH TO MARK THE UNOFFICIAL START OF THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

I'D LIKE TO THANK THE TEAM FOR LEADING THE CONVERSATION WITH THE STRATEGIC ALLIANCE AND ALL OF OUR PARTNERS FOR WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS PLAN AS IT'S THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'VE HAD A COORDINATED PLAN FOR LIGHTING OUR DOWNTOWN, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR BUSINESSES, UM, IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREAS.

THE ICE RINK AT RIVERSIDE CROSSING PARK WILL ALSO BE OPENING THIS WEEKEND TO BEGIN ITS THIRD SEASON.

THE REMAINDER OF THE CITY'S HOLIDAY LIGHTS WILL BE LIT WITH THE TREE LIGHTING EVENT ON NOVEMBER 30TH, INCLUDING KAUFMAN PARK CITY HALL AND THE DEVELOPMENT BUILDING.

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THE COMMISSION PROVIDED FEEDBACK ON THE AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS AND EXPRESSED INTEREST IN A CODE AMENDMENT THAT DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN HOW THE SHAPE AND COLOR RESTRICTIONS ARE APPLIED TO THE REAR SIDE OF HOMES VERSUS THE FRONT.

THE COMMISSION GENERALLY SUPPORTED LESS RESTRICTIVE STANDARDS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PENDING AND CANNOT BE APPROVED UNDER THE CURRENT CURRENT ORDINANCE.

THE CONSENSUS FROM THE PCC DISCUSSION ON NOVEMBER 9TH WAS TO REVISE THE CODE TO PERMIT INSTALLATION ON REAR ELEVATIONS REGARDLESS OF COLOR AND CONFIGURATION, AND TO RETAIN MODIFIED COLOR AND CONFIGURATION RESTRICTIONS FOR ELEVATIONS VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY TO DATE.

WE HAVE EIGHT PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED UNDER THE NEW CODE.

THREE MORE WILL LIKELY BE APPROVED SHORTLY.

AND WE HAVE CURRENTLY, THERE ARE 14 ADDITIONAL PERMITS THAT ARE PENDING WITH NINE OF THOSE PERMITS PROPOSING PANELS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.

SO STAFF WOULD WELCOME ANY THOUGHTS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE ON THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK TO AMEND THE CODE.

AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR THIS EVENING.

DO YOU WANT, UM, DO YOU WANT STAFF, UM, DO YOU WANT COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THIS PARTICULAR THING RIGHT NOW? IF THERE ARE ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME, UM, THAT'D BE GREAT.

OTHERWISE, FEEL FREE TO LET ME KNOW.

ANDY? I SUPPORT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.

LISTEN, I I ALSO SUPPORT, I, I, INITIALLY, MY INTENTION WAS THAT THE STRICTER RESTRICTIONS WERE FOR THE FRONT.

UH, I, I DIDN'T INTEND AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS GOING TO IMPACT AND CHANGE ALL THE ONES ON THE REAR.

SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF LOOKING AT A CHANGE.

I WOULD AGREE.

I THOUGHT THEY HAD GOOD CONVERSATION WITH A GOOD OUTCOME.

I AGREE.

SAME HERE.

I DO TOO.

THERE.

THAT'S AN EASY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MM-HMM, .

FINANCE COMMITTEE REPORT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER ALU, UM, LUDO.

NEXT WE HAVE A COUNCIL REPORT AND WE HAVE A

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THANKS.

I'LL MAKE THIS SUPER SHORT AND SWEET.

WE MET, UM, ON OCTOBER 24TH.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE HOTEL, UH, BED TAX GRANTS.

UH, WE HAD STAFF PRESENTERS WITH TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR ADJUDICATING THOSE.

UM, THEY BROUGHT LOTS OF DATA AND INFORMATION.

IT'S BEEN A REAL SLOG.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF'S PATIENCE.

UH, IT'S BEEN A VERY DIFFERENT PROCESS THIS YEAR THAN IT'S BEEN, UM, EVER BEFORE.

THIS IS MY EIGHTH YEAR DOING THE BED TAX GRANTS.

AND, UM, IT, IT ACTUALLY I THINK WORKED OUT VERY WELL.

WE MET THIS EVENING.

SO THERE WILL BE A REPORT THAT HAS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BED TAX GRANTS THAT WILL COME OUT ON THE NOVEMBER 27TH COUNCIL MEETING THAT I WILL BRING TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

AND THEN I'LL WRAP THAT UP.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO START WITH

[COUNCIL ROUNDTABLE]

COUNCIL ROUNDTABLE? I'D BE HAPPY TO.

SO, THANKSGIVING IS UPON US.

UM, I'M GRATEFUL FOR MY FAMILY AND ALSO VERY GRATEFUL FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

WE SAW TONIGHT THAT NOT EVERY DECISION IS POPULAR OR PERFECT, BUT THIS IS OUR DEMOCRACY.

AND EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, DOZEN FOLKS OUT THERE WHO MAYBE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH ME OR UPSET WITH ME TONIGHT, I'M STILL GRATEFUL TO BE A PART OF OUR LOCAL DEMOCRACY.

AND ITS IMPERFECTIONS AND ITS GLORIES SUCH AS THEY ARE.

I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A VERY HAPPY, HEALTHY AND SAFE HOLIDAY.

MAY YOU FIND PEACE AND GRATITUDE IN YOUR HEART AND IN YOUR LIFE.

THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER OF, UH, OF DEMOCRACY.

UH, YOU KNOW, AND A HAPPY VETERAN'S DAY, UH, DELAYED FOR, UM, ALL THOSE WHO FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT TO HAVE A DEMOCRACY AND THE THE RIGHT TO, UM, HAVE SOCIAL DISCORD IN CONVERSATION.

SO, UM, HAPPY VETERANS DAY AND THANK YOU TO THOSE MANY OF OUR STAFF WHO HAS HAVE SERVED AND, UH, CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, ALSO, I WANTED TO, IT'S ON THE CALENDAR, BUT I DID WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, I WILL BE TRAVELING TO ATLANTA ON WEDNESDAY AND WE'LL HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE, UM, FFR, THE FEDERAL RAIL ADMINISTRATION, CSX, AND, UM, ALSO THE, UM, WHAT'S MY, OH, UH, NORFOLK SOUTHERN ON FRIDAY.

SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT HAVING THOSE RAIL CONVERSATIONS AND HOPE TO BRING BACK GOOD NEWS.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

WE, WE'LL MOVE ON DOWN TO, UM, AMY, SAY, SAY, HAPPY VETERANS DAY AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING, BUT I WON'T EXTEND IT 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE MORE TO GO.

WELL SAID, LADIES.

HEY, THANK YOU ALL FOR, UM, SHOWING UP FOR VETERANS DAY, AND, UM, SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR STAFF FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER WITH,

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UH, COLONEL NOBLE.

IT WAS JUST A REALLY BEAUTIFUL DAY.

THE WESLEY DAVIS, UH, VETERANS GROUP.

AND THEN, UH, GOTTA SAY AGAIN, COMPLI, MR. JEANETTE PARISH, I ALWAYS ENJOY RIDING NEXT TO HER HOUSE TO SEE WHAT THAT PUMPKIN'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, , AND THAT THAT MEDIA HAS SPREAD ALL OVER.

SHE HAD PEOPLE ONE TIME HERE FROM KOREA FILMING THAT THING.

SO ONE OF HER KIDS WAS IN CHINA AND THAT THING APPEARED IN A, UM, ONE OF HER FRIENDS OF HER CHILDREN WAS IN CHINA, AND THAT PUMPKIN APPEARED IN CHINA AND TALKING ABOUT DUBLIN AND WHAT SHE WAS DOING.

SO, UNBELIEVABLE INTERNATIONAL INFORMATION FLOWING OUT ABOUT DUBLIN OVER A GORD.

IT'S PRETTY AMAZING.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE EVERYONE ON THEIR ELECTIONS.

I WOULD LIKE TO PARTICULARLY CONGRATULATE, UM, MY COLLEAGUES, COUNCIL MEMBER ULTO, COUNCIL MEMBER AROS, SC GROOMS, COUNCIL MEMBER KEELER.

UH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE, BUT YOU GUYS REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU ADD SO MUCH AND YOU MAKE US BETTER.

AND I'M PROUD TO GET TO SERVE WITH YOU, AND I'M DELIGHTED THAT AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS WE'LL GET TO SERVE TOGETHER.

SO, UM, CONGRATULATIONS AND, UM, HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE.

TO MOVE TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSIDERING THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES.

DITTO ON THAT.

CONGRATULATIONS ALL, UM, QUICKLY, UM, UH, I WANTED TO SAY AS A COUNCIL REP AND I KNOW, UH, COUNCILMAN O LUDO IS ALSO ON THIS.

WE, UH, ATTENDED THE LAST SESSION OF DUBLIN'S CULTURE PLAYBOOK.

AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I AM SO PROUD OF THE DOCUMENT THAT'S BEEN CREATED BY THE STAFF THAT DESCRIBES THE CULTURE THAT THEY FEEL WILL SUPPORT THE WORKING ENVIRONMENT HERE IN THE CITY AND HELP TO GUARANTEE A CULTURE OF RESPECT, POSITIVITY, AND EXCELLENCE.

SO COUNSEL AND ALL STAFF WILL BE SEEING THIS DOCUMENT AND LEARNING ABOUT THIS IN THE UPCOMING WEEKS, AND I THINK YOU'LL BE EXCITED TO SEE IT.

UM, ON NOVEMBER 9TH, I ATTENDED A, UH, EVENT THAT WAS HOSTED BY SHUT FUNERAL HOME AT THE DUBLIN RETIREMENT CENTER IN APPRECIATION OF THE VETERANS THERE.

AND THERE PROBABLY WERE OVER 40 VETERANS FROM OVER OF, OF ALL THE ARMED FORCES.

AND THEY WERE GIVEN A PEN, A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION, AND YOU CAN JUST TELL THIS IS THE GREATEST GENERATION THAT WAS THERE.

AND IT WAS A, A REALLY MOVING EXPERIENCE.

MANY OF THE FAMILIES ATTENDED AND WE THANK SHED NURSE FOR HOSTING THAT.

UH, I AGREE THE THE VETERAN CEREMONY WAS WONDERFUL ON FRIDAY.

AND THANK YOU, JOHN, FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION THIS FRIDAY EVENING, AN INVITATION WAS EXTENDED TO, UM, UM, THE CITY BY MARK OWENS TO ATTEND THE OPENING OF THE HONORARY CONSUL GENERAL OF IRELAND OFFICE IN CLEVELAND.

UM, MEGAN AND I AND A STAFF MEMBER, JIM, UH, FROM EVENTS ATTENDED AND ALSO HAD THE HONOR TO MEET THE AMBASSADOR OF IRELAND TO THE US AND AMBASSADOR GERALDINE MASON BURNS.

AND WE HAD THE CHANCE TO DISCUSS DUBLIN, OUR PROMOTION OF OUR, OF IRISH CULTURE HERE, OUR FRIENDSHIP CITY RELATIONSHIPS.

AND I HOPEFULLY THINK, I HOPE, AND I BELIEVE THAT SHE WAS SOMEWHAT IMPRESSED AND HAD HEARD ABOUT DUBLIN AND SHE PROMISED THAT SHE WILL ATTEND NEXT YEAR'S DUBLIN IRISH FESTIVAL.

SO I THINK THAT WILL BE GREAT.

AND IF SHE DOES ATTEND, AND I'M HOPING THAT THE PROMISE BY THE DUBLIN IRELAND MAYOR WILL ALSO ATTEND THE FESTIVAL, WILL HAVE QUITE AN INTERNATIONAL GROUP.

AND THIS MORNING, MOUNT CARMEL DUBLIN HELD THEIR TOPPING OFF CEREMONY WHERE THE, THE LAST HIGHEST BEAM WAS SET ON TOP OF THE HOSPITAL AS A SYMBOL OF THE WORK AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE BUILDERS.

AND WE ARE SO HAPPY TO SEE THE HOSPITAL'S PROGRESS AND WE THANK THE SKILLED WORKERS WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THAT CONSTRUCTION.

UM, WE DID HAVE A COMMA MEETING.

I'LL FILL YOU IN ON THAT LATER, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A LATE EVENING.

AND THAT IS THE, THAT IS MY REPORT FOR ROUNDTABLE.

UM, WE, UM, I AM GOING

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MAY I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.

JENNY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.