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TONIGHT'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
UH, YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON HERE IN OUR OFFICE IS AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE.
IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME PEOPLE INADVERTENTLY WENT TO THE OTHER OFFICE.
SO AGAIN, THAT ADDRESS IS 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ON THE LIVE STREAM, WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES, UH, ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'LL BE INVITED TO THE MICROPHONE HERE AND, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME PROCESS PROCEDURES.
YOU'LL PRESS THE BUTTON, WAIT FOR THE GREEN LIGHT TO APPEAR ON THE MICROPHONE AS YOU SEE ON MINE.
UH, PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES TO EXPEDITE TONIGHT'S MEETING.
UH, AND WE ASK THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL CALL OUT WHEN IT'S TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON EACH ONE OF THE CASES THIS EVENING.
AT THIS TIME, IF YOU WILL ALL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. SNARE? HERE.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
UH, AT THIS TIME I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS AND THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2023 MEETING INTO THE RECORD.DO I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU.
MR. WE, MS. BEAL, MS. HARDER? YES.
[Case #23-083]
AND ZONING IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN PLATTING AND AND ZONING OF PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATIONS.IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE CITY, THE, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THESE IN ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN THE, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM THE APPLICANT, THE ORDER OF THE, THE MEETING THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND OF STAFF, FOLLOWED BY THAT PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THESE CASES THIS EVENING, WILL YOU PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
AND THIS DOES COUNT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL.
SO IF YOU PLAN ON MAKING COMMENT, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE, THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE COMMISSION? THANK YOU.
THERE'S ONE CASE ELIGIBLE TONIGHT FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THIS IS FOR THE I G S PICKLEBALL COURTS AT 6,100 EMERALD PARKWAY.
THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
DOES ANYONE WISH TO HAVE THIS CASE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.
MR. WE, UH, ENSURING THAT WE DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PICKLEBALL COURTS? SEEING NONE.
I HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND A SECOND.
AND IF I G S IS HERE, WE CERTAINLY WELCOME THE, THE ADDITION TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, AS YOU EXIT THE PARKING LOT, I'M SURE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE VERY WELL USED IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
[Case #23-101]
NEXT CASE IS OUR CASE, 23 DASH 1 0 1 AVERY CROSSING AT PARCEL IDS 2 74 0 0 0 23, 21 1 17 AND 17 INFORMAL REVIEW.[00:05:01]
THE SLIDE SHOWING THE SITE LOCATION AND THE REVIEW PROCESS STAGE? THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR INFORMAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK OF A PROPOSED MIXED RESIDENTIAL AND COM COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.THE APPROXIMATELY 114 ACRE SITE IS ZONED R RURAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF AVERY ROAD AND RINGS ROAD.
UH, I UNDERSTAND MR. TUMBLING FROM CASTO IS HERE THIS EVENING FOR OUR APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
AND MR. WAY YOU'LL NOTICE HE WILL GET OUT.
HE'S RECUSING HIMSELF ON THIS CASE, WHICH IS STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR FOR PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
AND JENNY, CAN I HAVE YOU RETRIEVE ONE TIME? THANK YOU.
CHRIS TULIN WITH CASTO SIX 10 EVENING STREET, WORTHINGTON, OHIO, 4 3 0 8 5.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERSHIP GROUP.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS HERE THIS EVENING.
TONY MURRAY OF M B B J, AND JAMES PELTIER FROM EP FAIRS.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF OUR PROJECT THIS EVENING.
PLEASE NOTE THIS, THIS IS THE FIRST ITERATION OF THE SITE PLAN.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION ON FUTURE ITERATIONS OF THIS PLAN THIS EVENING.
WE'RE HOPING TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED USES, DENSITIES, LAYOUTS, AND STREET NETWORK ON OUR PROPOSED PLAN.
IF YOU COULD WAIT ONE SECOND, THE, THERE'S A LAG HAPPENING, SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF WAITING FOR THAT TO CATCH UP.
MR. WILL, I THINK YOU'RE OKAY.
SO UP ON THIS, UP ON THE SCREEN IS AN ARROW OF THE SITE.
UM, THE SITE IS LOCATED AT RINGS ROAD AND AVERY ROAD AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
IT INCLUDES ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND 107 UNIT MOBILE HOME PARK, UH, PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME PARK.
THE BALANCE OF THE GROUND IS UNDEVELOPED FARMLAND.
OUR SITE IS ENTIRELY WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN, BUT IT BORDERS THE CITY OF COLUMBUS ON OUR SOUTHERN BOUNDARY AND SOUTHEASTERN BOUNDARY AS WELL.
OUR SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS A RURAL DISTRICT.
THE AREA TO THE WEST IS UNDEVELOPED AS ZONED AS A RURAL DISTRICT AS WELL.
THE AREA, THE NORTH ACROSS RINGS ROAD INCLUDES MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY LOTS THAT ARE PART OF THE BALANCE TRAY AND KRAMER CROSSING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE AREA OF THE EAST THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN IS PARTIALLY DEVELOPED.
USES INCLUDE A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, CHURCH AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
THE UNDEVELOPED AREA TO THE EAST WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN IS ZONED R ONE.
THE AREA TO THE EAST AND SOUTHEAST OF OUR SITE THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS HAS BEEN DEVELOPED OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS WITH MODERATE DENSITY HOUSING, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY, TOWNHOUSE, DUPLEX, HIGH DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY AND SELF STORAGE.
THERE ARE SOME POCKETS OF OWNED DEVELOP LAND FRONTING AVERY, THAT ARE PLANNED FOR FUTURE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.
THE AREA IMMEDIATELY SOUTH THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS INCLUDES AVERY BROOK APARTMENT COMMUNITY AREA, IMMEDIATELY SOUTH WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN AS PART OF THE AVONDALE P U D AVONDALE INCLUDES A MIX OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES AND DENSITIES.
UP, UP ON THE SCREEN IS THE PLANNED ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, THE AVERY ROAD CORRIDOR SOUTH OF RINGS ROAD HAS SEEN SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS PLANNED IN THE COMING YEARS AS WELL THAT WILL TRANSFORM THIS CORRIDOR AS WELL AS OUR PROJECT SITE.
CURRENTLY PLANNED ROADWAY PROJECTS ARE SHOWING UP ON THE SCREEN.
CITY OF DUBLIN EXPECTS THAT PROJECT TO START CONSTRUCTION IN 2024.
THE CITY OF COLUMBUS IS IN DESIGN AND EXPECTS TO START CONSTRUCTION ON THEIR AVERY WIDENING PROJECT IN LATE 2025.
THAT PROJECT WILL PROVIDE TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC IN EACH DIRECTION WITH A CENTER TURN LANE IN SOME AREAS, AND ALSO INCLUDE A 10 FOOT WIDE SHARED USE PATH ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD AND A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE.
THIS STRETCH COLUMBUS IS IMPROVING, WILL RUN FROM HAYDEN ROAD ON THE SOUTH END TO THE COLUMBUS DUBLIN BORDER IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF OUR PROPERTY.
THE DUBLIN THOROUGH FOOT PLAN SHOWS AVERY EVENTUALLY BEING WIDENED IN A SIMILAR FASHION IMMEDIATELY EAST OF OUR PROPERTY.
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THE PLAN IDENTIFIES AVERY AS A MAJOR ARTERIAL AND CALLS FOR FUTURE RIGHT AWAY BETWEEN 124 AND 160 FEET WIDE, WITH TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC IN EACH DIRECTION.THE TIMELINE FOR THAT DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION HAS NOT BEEN SET AT THIS POINT.
THE MOST NOTABLE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT, THIS AREA IS A TUTTLE BOULEVARD EXTENSION.
THE DUBLIN THOROUGHFARE PLAN SHOWS TUTTLE EXTENDING WEST FROM ITS CURRENT TERMINUS THAT IS LOCATED JUST UNDER A MILE EAST OF OUR PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
THAT EXTENSION WOULD RUN PERPENDICULAR TO AVERY ROAD AND BISECT OUR PROJECT SITE AS PART OF THE TOTAL EXTENSION SANITARY SERVICE WILL BE EXTENDED THE PROJECT SITE AS WELL.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS SOME SANITARY CAPACITY IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF OUR PROPERTY THAT COULD SERVE A SUBSET OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT, BUT THE SANITARY SERVICE THAT WOULD COME WITH THE TUNNEL EXTENSION WOULD SERVE THE UPPER, THE NORTHERN TWO THIRDS OF THE, OF THE PROJECT SITE.
WE FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THESE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY'LL BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE COMING YEARS AS THEY'LL DRAMATICALLY CHANGE THE FEEL OF THIS CORRIDOR AS WE'RE WORKING ON PUTTING OUR SITE PLAN TOGETHER, THESE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR DRIVING FORCES.
WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO TONY MURRAY WITH M B B J TO TALK ABOUT OUR SITE PLAN A LITTLE FURTHER.
AND MR. MURRAY, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UM, TONY MURRAY, TWO 50 SOUTH HIGH STREET, UH, COLUMBUS, OHIO.
UM, JUST WANTED TO, UH, TAKE A MOMENT TO BUILD A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT CHRIS WAS TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THE IMAGES THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN ARE KIND OF AN ANALYSIS OR VALUATION OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AROUND THE SITE.
UH, IMAGE ONE IN THE TOP LEFT, UH, KIND OF SHOWS THE CHARACTER OF THE SITE, UH, AS CHRIS MENTIONED, MOSTLY RURAL, UM, AGRARIAN IN LAND USE.
UM, IMAGES TWO AND THREE, UH, SHOW THE ENTRY POINT TO THE, UH, PONDEROSA DEVELOPMENT.
UH, BOTH KIND OF SOME OF THE SIGNAGE THERE AS YOU'RE ENTERING THE SITE, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, UH, FRONTAGE AVAILABLE FRONTAGE AREA THERE.
IMAGE FOUR IS A SERVICE BUILDING, UH, THAT COULD HAVE SOME LATER, UH, REUSE PURPOSES POTENTIALLY.
WE'LL CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT.
UH, AGAIN, JUST HELP TO SERVE AS KIND OF THE CHARACTER ALONG AVERY ROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, SEEING A LOT OF FARM FIELDS THERE, UH, BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING TO THE SOUTH IN COLUMBUS AND, UH, THE PONDEROSA SITE.
AND THEN, UH, LASTLY, IMAGE SIX THERE JUST SHOWS A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT OF WHAT IT'S LIKE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, CERTAINLY AS WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT THIS PLANNING PROJECT WITH CHRIS AND HIS TEAM, UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE THINKING COMPREHENSIVELY ABOUT ALL OF THE WORK, THAT PLANNING WORK THAT DUBLIN IS DOING ALREADY.
SO, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOOKEND IMAGES, UH, ON THE SCREEN, THE DUBLIN FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AS WELL AS THE DUBLIN SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN, UH, BOTH OF THEM ARE CALLING FOR, UH, SIMILAR USES IN THIS AREA.
UH, COMMERCIAL MIXED USE ALONG AVERY, AND THEN KIND OF GRADATING WEST TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MIXED RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY AND SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY.
UH, SO THE PLANS THAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW TONIGHT, UH, ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT.
AGAIN, CHRIS TOUCHED ON THE, UH, DUBLIN THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THINKING ABOUT ROADS AND THINGS THAT ARE COMING IN THE FUTURE, UH, OR IN SOME ARE PLANNED, UH, AND, AND PROPOSED, AND SOME ARE, UH, DUE TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION SOON.
SO WE'VE TAKEN THOSE INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL.
UH, SIMILARLY, UH, DUBLIN HAS NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
WE HAVE ADHERED TO THOSE IN THE PLAN.
UH, REALLY SHOWING TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
UH, ONE THAT IS 35 BY 50 AND HAS, UH, ZERO, UH, SIDE YARD, UH, SETBACK.
UH, SO THIS IS KIND OF A TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT WITH FRONTAGE STREETS, UH, HOUSES, KIND OF FRONTING THE STREET WITH A ALLEY BEHIND FOR GARAGES AND PARKING.
UH, AND THEN AN 80 BY 100 MANOR LOT, WHICH YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS, UM, KIND OF A MORE TYPICAL SUBURBAN LOT, UH, SITE ANALYSIS.
UH, ACCESS, I KNOW WE'VE TOUCHED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, PRIMARY ACCESS TO THE SITE WE, UH, DEFINITELY SEE IS THE CURRENT ENTRANCE.
UH, THAT'S, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE ALONG RINGS, UH, THAT WHICH CURRENTLY TAKES YOU INTO, UM, THE PONDEROSA SITE.
UH, THERE ARE ALSO OPPORTUNITIES FOR ACCESS AND CONNECTIVITY, AS WE MENTIONED, UH, AT TUTTLE AND AVERY.
WE THINK THAT'S A PRIMARY POINT.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE CONNECTION TO THE SOUTH, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE AVONDALE DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF HERE.
SO, UH, JUST THINKING A LOT ABOUT CONNECTIVITY, TOPOGRAPHY.
UH, THE SITE IS SLOPING FROM WEST TO EAST, LEFT TO RIGHT ON YOUR SCREEN.
UM, SO THAT'LL BE AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION AS WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
AND NATURAL FEATURES, UH, THE, THE SITE IS PRIMARILY FLAT, UM, REALLY GREAT
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SOILS.UH, AND THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME EXISTING TREES ON SITE.
THERE'S A GREAT EXISTING WOODLANDS, UH, JUST OFFSITE TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THIS IMAGE.
UM, AND A LOT OF THE FENCE LINES THERE HAVE, UM, DRAINAGE FEATURES, UH, WATERWAY FEATURES AND ALSO, UM, MATURE TREES HAPPENING WITHIN THEM.
SO, UH, THREE SLIDES LEFT HERE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WHEN WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THE PLAN WITH CHRIS, OUR PLAN WAS REALLY TO START WITH THIS IDEA OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC REALM AND THINKING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY.
SO YOU'LL SEE ON THIS PLAN A LOT OF THE GREEN AREAS, UH, THEY'RE NOT JUST INTENDED TO BE BUFFER SPACE, BUT THEY'RE MORE INTENDED TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIVITY SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE AROUND, UH, PARK SPACE, UH, YOU KNOW, INTENDED TO KIND OF CREATE A, A, A GRACIOUS DESIGN, UH, WITH SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, NICE SEPARATED USES, BUT ALSO STILL CONNECTED USES IN TERMS OF, UM, HAVING AN OVERALL MIXED USE SITE.
THAT SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCESS IS IMPORTANT TO US TO BE THINKING ABOUT FROM THE ROADWAYS, BUT ALSO THINKING ABOUT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, UM, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN GET FROM THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT TO ANY FUTURE COMMERCIAL MIXED USE.
AND EVEN BEYOND THAT, UM, ON FOOT OR ON BIKE TO OTHER AMENITIES THROUGHOUT DUBLIN.
THAT'S CERTAINLY A CONSIDERATION.
UM, FOCUS, GROWTH AROUND, YOU KNOW, JUST THE EXISTING LAND USE THAT'S THERE.
IT'S REALLY, UH, I THINK A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, UM, THAT WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN CREATE A, A MIX OF HOUSING ON THIS SITE, UH, WITH THE HOUSING THAT'S ALREADY THERE, AS WELL AS WHAT IS, UH, PROPOSED.
YOU CAN SEE WE'RE SHOWING APARTMENTS, TOWN HOMES IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY.
SO A MIX OF HOUSES I THINK WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
THE SITE PLAN GETS INTO A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR DETAIL OF WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS ALL CONCEPTUAL AND, UH, WE'RE CONTINUING TO DEVELOP THIS WITH CHRIS AND HIS TEAM.
UM, YOU SEE THE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL SPACE ALONG AVERY.
UM, YOU CAN START TO SEE SOME CONSIDERATION AND EXPRESSION GIVEN TO, UM, SOME OF THE LARGER COMMUNITY SPACES, GREEN SPACES, UM, AND HOW PATHWAYS COULD BE, UM, INTRODUCED IN THOSE IN TERMS OF A WAY TO GET PEOPLE MOVING AROUND THE SITE, MOVING TO THE SITE AND MOVING BEYOND THE SITE.
UM, ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU SEE, UH, A MIX OF THE MANNER LOTS AS WELL AS THE ZERO SETBACK SIDE YARD LOTS AND THE ALLEYS, UM, APARTMENTS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, MANY COMMUNITY CENTER SPACES.
AND THEN AN IMPORTANT NOTE, UH, ADDITIONAL MANNER, LOTS ON THE NORTH, UH, ALONG RINGS ROAD THAT WOULD FACE, UH, FACE RINGS.
UM, JUST THINKING ABOUT VEHICULAR CIRCULATION, UH, I, I'VE TOUCHED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU KNOW, THE STREET GRID, THE STREET NETWORK THAT WE'VE PUT HERE IS REALLY THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPING A CONNECTED, UM, UH, TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TAPPING INTO EXISTING STREETS.
WE'RE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT CONNECTIONS TO FUTURE STREETS, UH, SO THAT THIS OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD CAN BE A, YOU KNOW, A BIGGER PIECE OF THE FABRIC OF DUBLIN AND NOT JUST KIND OF AN ENCLAVE WITH DEAD ENDS.
UM, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED EXISTING PATHWAYS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, CURRENT NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL AS DASHED, UH, PROPOSED FUTURE PATHWAYS, WALKABILITY, BIKE, UM, BIKE TRAILS, YOU NAME IT.
UH, BUT THE IDEA THERE IS JUST TO AGAIN, ENCOURAGE WALKABILITY, I THINK IN LINE WITH, UM, SOME OF DUBLIN'S OVERALL STRATEGIES COMMUNITY WIDE.
UM, WITH THAT, UH, CHRIS, WAS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT I MISSED? SO, I, I JUST WANTED TO, TO REITERATE, I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, I THINK HERE FROM PONDEROSA THIS EVENING.
THE, THE PLAN WOULD PRESERVE THE EXISTING PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME PARK, UH, IN ITS PLACE.
SO, UM, JUST ALSO WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY OF THIS ASSEMBLAGE, UH, OF LAND OFFERS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A DIVERSE, UH, NUMBER OF TYPES OF HOUSES IN THIS, UH, CORRIDOR.
AND, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH COMMISSION ON, ON FUTURE ITERATIONS OF THIS PLAN.
UH, MR. WILL, I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR STAFF PRESENTATION.
AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, THIS APPLICATION IS HERE TONIGHT AS AN INFORMAL REVIEW.
THIS IS AN OPTIONAL STEP AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSION TO PROVIDE NON-BINDING FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE ON DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS.
UM, CONSIDERATIONS ARE FOR LAND USE AND DENSITIES, UH, GENERAL SITE LAYOUT, UH, TRANSPORTATION, OPEN SPACE, AND HOW IT INTEGRATES WITH THE SURROUNDING SITE.
UM, NO DETERMINATION IS PROVIDED AT THIS POINT.
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UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN DUBLIN IS A MULTI-STEP.UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK FOR A CONCEPT PLAN.
THIS IS ALSO INFORMAL REVIEW, BUT WITH REZONING OF LAND OR DEVELOPMENTS OVER 25 ACRES, IT IS REQUIRED.
THEY WOULD THEN GO TO A PRELIMINARY DEVOUT PLAN OF REZONING AT PLANNING AND ZONING CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING FOR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IF THE APPLICANT WOULD TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AS THE APPLICANT NOTED, THIS IS THE SITE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW OF ROUGHLY 114 ACRES.
IT IS PRESENTLY ZONED, UM, RURAL R UM, YOU CAN SEE THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND BALANCE TRAY AND KRAMER'S CROSSING TO THE NORTH.
UM, SOME RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH OHIO, SINUS TO THE EAST, AS WELL AS FARMLAND TO THE WEST.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN MAKES FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY TO GUIDE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS FOR THIS SITE.
THREE, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ARE PROVIDED.
STANDARD OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL LOAD DENSITY AND MIXED RESIDENTIAL LOAD DENSITY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME PARK, UM, HIGHLIGHTED UNDERNEATH THAT MIXED RESIDENTIAL LOAD DENSITY.
THE A APPLICANT AS NOTED IS PROVIDING, UH, A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UH, MIXED USE COMMERCIAL, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
THESE MANNER AND ZERO SIDE LOTS ARE SIDE YARD, LOTS, TOWN HOMES, APARTMENTS, AS WELL AS OPEN SPACES WITH EACH FUTURE LAND USE.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN MAKES DENSITY RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR THE STANDARD OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL ARE 12,500 SQUARE FOOT, UM, OF DEVELOPMENT PER ACRE FOR MIXED RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY.
IT'S THREE UNITS, UM, PER THE ACRE, AND THEN SUBURBAN IS ONE TO TWO.
UM, SO IF YOU WOULD EQUATE THAT OUT ROUGHLY FOR THE SITE, IT'S ABOUT 262,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL AND ROUGHLY 260 RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING WITH THEIR MIX OF USES, UM, A DENSITY OF 10 TO 15, UH, THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF MIXED USE COMMERCIAL, UM, 4.8 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE FOR THEIR SINGLE FAMILY MANNER.
6.2 FOR THEIR ZERO, UM, YARD HOMES, UH, 12, 2 15 DWELLING UNITS FOR TOWN HOMES AND 35 DWELLING UNITS, UM, PER ACRE FOR APARTMENTS.
AND THIS IS ROUGHLY 60 TO 90,000 SQUARE FEET OF MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AND 719 RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS, WHICH INCLUDE THE EXISTING PONDEROSA DWELLINGS AS WELL.
THIS EXCEEDS THE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE FUTURE LAND USE.
AND THE DENSITIES, UM, ARE USED BY THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UM, AS WELL AS FOR UTILITY PLANNING TO PLAN OUT FUTURE TRANSPORTATION AND UTILITY NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT IS ALSO USED BY THE SURROUNDING SCHOOL DISTRICTS AS THEY PROJECT FUTURE ENROLLMENT AND SCHOOL PLANNING AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT NOTED.
OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH IS A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY PLAN, MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUTURE CONNECTIONS NEEDED AND FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY WISS BASED UPON NUMBER OF LANES, UM, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER STREET SCAPE ELEMENTS.
THIS IS IN PART, UM, DERIVED FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE AND DENSITY PROJECTIONS FOR UNDEVELOPED AREAS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THE FUTURE OR THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN DOES RECOMMEND THE EXTENSION OF TOTAL CROSSING BOULEVARD, UM, MAINTAINING RINGS ROAD AS A RURAL COLLECTOR, UM, THE WIDENING OF A AND THE WIDENING OF AVERY IN ADDITION TO THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THOROUGHFARE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND AREAS WHERE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IS, IS EXPECT IS EXPECTED AREA PLAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF DESIGN AND GUIDANCE.
THIS SITE IS WITHIN THE SOUTHWEST AREA.
PLAN BROADLY, THE GOALS FOR THE AREA PLAN ARE TO PROVIDE FOR THE EXTENSION OF TOTAL CROSSING AND INCREASE CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE AREA, UM, AND INCREASE HOUSING VARIETY AND STOCK, PRESERVE NATURAL FEATURES AND CREATE REGIONAL GREENWAYS AND TO CREATE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS TO PROVIDE LOCAL SERVICES AND AMENITIES.
THOUGH THE SPECIAL AREA PLANS ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE APPLIED, LITERALLY, THEY DO PROVIDE KEY DESIGN GUIDANCE, UM, FOR THIS SITE.
KIND OF ZOOMED IN HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL LONG AVERY RECOMMENDATION HIGHLIGHTED IN PINK.
UM, RESIDENTIAL TRANSITIONS EXIST TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH.
UM, THE PRESERVATION OF, UH, THE PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME PARK AS IT DOES PROVIDE A UNIQUE HOUSING OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR RESIDENTS HERE IN DUBLIN.
AND, UH, THE EXTENSION OF TOTAL CROSSING WITH A RURAL CHARACTER, UH, GREENWAYS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS PRESERVING NATURAL FEATURES AND HIGHLIGHTING THE WOODLOT AS AN OPEN SPACE FOCAL POINT.
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UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS AKIN TO OFFICE, BUT UM, IT DOES PROVIDE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.UM, THEY ARE PROVIDING RESIDENTIAL TRANSITIONS TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, TO THE NORTH.
THE FOUR STORY APARTMENTS TO THE SOUTH ARE MORE INTENSE THAN THE SURROUNDING, UM, DEVELOPMENT, SO THAT'S NOT QUITE A TRANSITION.
UM, THEY ARE PRESERVING OR PROPOSING TO PRESERVE THE PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME PARK.
UM, THEY ARE PROVIDING FOR AN EXTENSION, UM, OF TOTAL CROSSING, UH, THOUGH THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 200 FOOT SETBACKS OFF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, KIND OF CURVY LINEAR, MORE LANDSCAPE I DON'T THINK ARE MET.
UM, THEY ARE PROVIDING GREENWAYS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, BUT THEY ARE NOT HIGHLIGHTING THE AVONDALE WOODLOT AS AN OPEN SPACE FOCAL POINT AS IT'S MORE TUCKED BEHIND APARTMENTS AND SURFACE PARKING.
SO STAFF, UM, ASK THE COMMISSION TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, WE HAVE ORGANIZED SOME DISCUSSION QUESTIONS TO HELP FACILITATE THIS, UM, FEEDBACK.
UH, BUT THE, UH, STAFF DOES ASK THE COMMISSION IF THERE ARE OTHER ELEMENTS NOT CAPTURED HERE TO PLEASE OPINE ON THOSE AS WELL.
AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE QUESTIONS FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT AFTER WE ASK QUESTIONS, BUT BEFORE WE DELIBERATE, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL INVITE THE PUBLIC UP TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS.
MR. CHINOOK, I SAW YOU GO FOR THAT BUTTON, SO I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU.
UH, I GUESS THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION MORE FOR THE APPLICANT, AND I THINK OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST FOR THIS PROJECT HERE TONIGHT.
COULD YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON LIKE, YOUR VISION FOR THE AREA? OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT THE SITE PLAN HERE IS PRESENTED, BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL, THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND JUST KINDA THE OVERALL FEEL OF THE SPACE AND HOW YOU'RE GONNA INTEGRATE THIS, THE, THE PONDEROSA DEVELOPMENT OR THE EXISTING PONDEROSA INTO THE OVERALL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, COULD YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOU, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE SITE PLAN, JUST KIND OF HOW YOU ENVISION THE SPACE KIND OR THIS DEVELOPMENT KIND OF ALL COHESIVELY WORKING TOGETHER? I'LL, SO I'LL RESPOND TO SOME OF THIS.
I'LL LET TONY JUMP IN ON THE MIX.
I THINK MOST LIKELY THAT'LL BE MORE LIKE SUPPORT RETAIL, MEDICAL OFFICE, RESTAURANT TYPE USES.
UM, I THINK THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SHOWN ON THE CHART IS PROBABLY HIGHER THAN WHAT IT'LL BE.
REALISTICALLY, WE'D LIKE TO LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN TO MAKING THAT MORE OF A MIXED USE, BUT REALISTICALLY IT'LL PROBABLY BE, UM, SMALLER LOWER DENSITY TYPE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT, IN THAT AREA.
SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON THAT.
YEAH, FROM A, UM, JUST FROM A A PHYSICAL DESIGN STANDPOINT, I THINK WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD TO CREATE OPEN SPACE AND GREEN SPACE THAT ARE CENTRALLY LOCATED.
UM, NOT JUST FOR, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO PROXIMATE TO, UH, THE EXISTING HOMES THAT ARE THERE.
AND THEN ALSO JUST THE IDEA OF CONNECTIVITY, UH, WITH PATHWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, CHRIS MENTIONED THE SETBACKS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE UNDERSTAND THOSE SETBACKS ARE THERE AND WE THINK THOSE COULD BE REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO, UH, MOVE PEOPLE AROUND THE SITE AND REALLY, UH, ENABLE US TO TREAT THIS OVERALL SITE LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD UNTO ITSELF.
THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK, MS. HARDER ON THAT SAME LINE, IS THE COMMUNITY CENTER HAVE SOME A, A DIFFERENT KIND OF A LOOK OR, UM, AND WHERE YOU PUT IT AND WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE ABOUT THAT? SO I, I THINK THAT'S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW.
CURRENTLY THERE'S, UH, IN THAT AREA, KIND OF AN INDUSTRIAL TYPE BUILDING THAT'S HISTORICALLY BEEN USED FOR STORAGE.
UM, WE'VE THROWN AROUND THE IDEA OF, OF TRYING TO REPURPOSE THAT AND MAKE IT LIKE, LIKE A COMMUNITY ROOM.
UM, IT COULD BE MORE LIKE A TRADITIONAL CLUBHOUSE IN THAT AREA WITH A POOL, MAYBE PLAYGROUND, STUFF LIKE THAT THAT CAN BE UTILIZED, UH, BY THE WHOLE COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA.
BUT WE'RE STILL, UM, WE'RE STILL CONSIDERING DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THAT AREA.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SET IN STONE YET.
ADDITIONAL QUESTION, UM, HAVE YOU, OR DO YOU HAVE PLANS TO MEET WITH NEIGHBORS AND, UH, PEOPLE AT PONDEROSA AND, UH, ANY OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND THE AREA THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT? THANK YOU.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CERTAINLY, UH, HAVE SOME WORK TO DO, UM, TALKING WITH, WITH THE RESIDENTS AT PONDEROSA TO LET 'EM KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING.
UH, WE HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE MEDICAL OFFICE USER ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE STREET, WORKING ON GETTING SOMETHING SET UP WITH THEM.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE, WE PLAN TO DO AS THIS MOVES, MOVES FORWARD WHEN WE GET A BETTER SENSE OF KIND OF WHAT THE, THE SITE PLAN'S GONNA GONNA LOOK LIKE.
MR. SOAK, UH, JUST A CLAR CLARIFICATION, FIRST AND FOREMOST ON THE MIXED USE, COMMERCIAL, MIXED USE OF COURSE SOMETIMES
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IMPLIES, RIGHT, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE WAY I HEARD YOU ARTICULATE IT, IT SOUNDS MIXED COMMERCIAL.YEAH, I THINK IT'S MORE MIXED COMMERCIAL.
UM, IN NATURE, AGAIN, WE WANTED TO LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN TO, TO POTENTIALLY DOING SOME RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THERE.
UM, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S GONNA BE THAT SUPPORT RETAIL RESTAURANT, MEDICAL OFFICE TYPE USE IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN HOW ABOUT, UM, A LINE OF QUESTIONS? TELL US ABOUT THE APARTMENTS AND THE, AND THE THINKING ON THAT SELF EDGE THERE.
SO WE, WE THOUGHT THAT IF YOU LOOK KIND OF ON THE, AS YOU GO SOUTH ON AVERY ROAD, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD, THAT AREA HAS DEVELOPED WITH HIGHER DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE, TWO AND THREE STORY MULTIFAMILY THERE.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT ON THE SOUTH SIDE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE MULTIFAMILY IS KIND OF, AGAIN, STICKING WITH THE THEME OF A VARIETY OF HOUSING, HOUSING IN THIS AREA AT DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS TARGETING DIFFERENT RESIDENTS.
UM, AND SO WE, WE THOUGHT ON THE SOUTH SIDE WAS APPROPRIATE AREA TO, TO ADD THE MULTIFAMILY, AND WE THINK THAT GIVES A A, A NICE HOUSING OPTION, UM, TO THE SIDE.
UH, JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THE, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE POOL AND AMENITY SPACE.
TO WHAT EXTENT WOULD THOSE BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER PRESUMABLY IS OPEN TO ALL RESIDENTS, INCLUDING, UH, THE PONDEROSA FOLKS.
WOULD THAT BE ACCURATE AND CORRECT? IS THE POOL AMENITY SPACE, WOULD THAT BE OPEN AS WELL? OR, OR IS THAT DESIGNED TO BE LIMITED TO THE APARTMENTS? YOU KNOW, I, I THINK AS WE'VE, AS WE LOOKED AT THIS AND STARTED PUTTING IN PAST HERE AND WALKING AREAS, IS, IS WE WANTED THAT COMMUNITY CENTER.
IT JUST HAPPENS TO KIND OF BE CENTRAL TO THAT AREA.
I THINK WE WOULD HAVE IT OPEN TO, UH, THE PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY, BOTH A SINGLE FAMILY AND PONDEROSA AS WELL.
UM, AND, AND HOPEFULLY IT'S SOMETHING THE DEPARTMENTS COULD USE ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL, THAT IT WOULD BE A, AN OPEN AREA TO THE, THE PUBLIC IN THAT, UM, ACROSS THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO I'M, SO THE, WHAT'S TENTATIVELY DESIGNATED AS THE POOL AND AMENITY SPACE, IS THAT DESIGNED JUST FOR THE APARTMENTS OR IS THAT ALSO FOR ON, ON THE SOUTH END ON THE SITE? THAT POOL AMENITY SPACE WOULD BE FOR THE APARTMENTS.
IT, IT, IT'S GETTING REALLY HARD TO LISTEN UP HERE TO THE PERSON AT THE PODIUM.
IF WE COULD STOP THE AUDIENCE CONVERSATION, THAT WOULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
WE WILL ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE GO INTO DELIBERATION.
SO YOU WILL BE HEARD IF YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE A SIDEBAR CONVERSATION.
WE DO INVITE YOU TO USE THE HALLWAY OUT THERE, BUT PLEASE STEP PAST THE KITCHEN AREA BECAUSE THAT IS KIND OF AN ECHO CHAMBER.
I, I COULDN'T FIND MUCH ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
UM, UH, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS IT? IS IT GONNA HAVE A WORKOUT ROOM? IS IT GOING TO BE, WE HAVE NOT DEFINED THAT, THAT SPACE IN DETAIL YET.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE A BETTER SENSE WHEN WE CAME BACK FOR THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN.
SO I THINK THAT COULD BE AN INCREDIBLE AMENITY FOR THE, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THERE.
UM, AND, AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT, WILL YOU SELL OUTSIDE MEMBERSHIPS OR, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER IF WE HAD LIKE A, UM, A FITNESS CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, SO I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE COUNT OF UNITS DIFFERS FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN, FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE, WHAT THE CITY EXPECTED TO SEE IN THIS AREA.
CAN YOU ARTICULATE WHY YOU THINK THAT'S A GOOD FIT FOR THE, FOR THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY AND FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN? YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
UM, I THINK IT, AT THIS POINT, AGAIN, UM, NUMBERS WISE, METRICS WISE, OUR INTENT WAS TO SHOW A VARIETY OF HOUSING, UH, AND A AND A QUANTITY THAT WE THOUGHT FIT THE MARKET.
UM, CERTAINLY OPEN TO FEEDBACK, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, FROM THE COMMITTEE AND EVERYONE HERE, UH, AS WELL ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THAT ON THIS SITE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? MR LAN? ONE FOR STAFF, ACTUALLY.
UM, AND MAYBE I'M, I THINK IT'S FOR STAFF.
I, I'M HUNTING FOR AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE 200 FOOT SETBACK.
SO THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN, AS I MENTIONED, PROVIDES ADDITIONAL DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, UM, ALONG TUTTLE, THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF TUTTLE, UM, CROSSING BOULEVARD, THE IDEA IS TO CREATE A RURAL CHARACTER.
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AS YOU MIGHT SEE ON HIGHLAND CROIX, UM, FOR AN OPEN SPACE, UM, TO PROGRAM WITH OPEN SPACE.UM, BUT TO PUSH DEVELOPMENT AWAY FROM THE ROADWAY TO KIND OF KEEP THAT RURAL CHARACTER, UM, AS PART OF IT.
AND, AND JUST A FOLLOW UP TO THAT GENERALLY, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS PLAN AT PRESENT? SO THE PROPOSED SET APPROXIMATELY? YEP.
SO THE PROPOSED SETBACKS GENERALLY 'CAUSE THEY VARY AND THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, SO THINGS ARE NOT EXACT OR MEASURED, UM, TOO TIGHTLY ARE GENERALLY BETWEEN 50 ARE GENERALLY BETWEEN 50 AND 140 FEET.
UM, SO THAT'S LESS, SUBSTANTIALLY LESS OR LESS THAN THE 200 FEET, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S AT.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS, MR. CHINOOK? I'M SORRY.
THIS, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND THIS MIGHT BE GETTING MAYBE TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS, BUT I THINK IT'S GOTTEN AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.
THE TIMING OF THE AVERY ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND, AND THE, SORRY, THE ROAD TO THE NORTH, UM, SORRY, RINGS ROAD
WOULD THAT, I MEAN, 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING A LOT DENSITY HERE, UM, AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE TIMING OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND I KNOW THAT WE SAID THAT AVERY IS KIND OF T B D AT THIS THIS POINT, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I WILL INVITE MY TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY COLLEAGUE UP TO OPINE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU.
UM, WE'LL DEFINITELY CONTINUE THE TRANSPORTATION CONVERSATION AS THIS, UM, APPLICATION ADVANCES.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO DO A FULL TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, AS WITH ANY REZONING.
SO WE'LL DIVE DEEPER INTO THOSE DETAILS.
BUT AT THE HIGH LEVEL, UM, CITY OF COLUMBUS DOES HAVE A PROJECT TO WIDEN AVE RE ROAD TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE.
UH, CITY OF DUBLIN HAS IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS PLANNED AT THE INTERSECTION OF AVERY AND RINGS CARA, WHICH IS THE SOUTHERN RINGS ADJACENT TO THIS SITE, UM, THAT ARE, UH, ANTICIPATED TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION IN 2024.
UH, JUST ONE PIGGYBACK QUESTION FOR YOU ON THAT.
CAN YOU, UH, DELIBERATE FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, WHAT THE, SO THE, THE WIDENING OF THE STREET, THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AREN'T SPECIFIC JUST TO THE ROADWAY.
UH, THE APPLICANT ALLUDED TO SOME SANITARY SEWER.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT ALL COMES ALONG WITH THAT SET OF IMPROVEMENTS? ONE MORE HANDOFF.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE UTILITIES FOR THIS AREA, SPECIFICALLY THE CITY OF COLUMBUS AND DUBLIN HAVE WORKED TOGETHER ON WATERSHED AREAS, OR SEWER SHEDS I SHOULD SAY, THAT HAVE BEEN PREDEFINED.
AS THIS CONTINUES ON, WE WILL EVALUATE IT.
UM, THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR IS PROPOSED TO GO TO THE TUTTLE CROSSING PHASE ONE EXTENSION.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH AND LOOK AT AS WE CONTINUE ON.
I, AND I DON'T KNOW, DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IT'S FOR, BUT QUESTION ON THE MEANDERING NATURE OF WE'VE SEEN PLANS, COMMUNITY PLANS, MEANDERING, NATURE OF TUTTLE CROSSING EXTENSION.
SO AGAIN, WITH A SPECIAL AREA PLAN, IT PROVIDES GUIDANCE AND DESIGN AND IT'S NOT USED, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE INTERPRETED LITERALLY ALWAYS, BUT KIND OF THE SPIRIT AND THE INTENT BEHIND THAT.
AND THAT'S GOING TO THAT RURAL CHARACTER.
SO HAVING MORE OPEN SPACE AROUND IT SO IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A KIND OF A STRAIGHT SHOT, UM, FROM A CHARACTER'S PER PERSPECTIVE.
THE CITY HAS, UM, DONE SOME PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THE EXTENSION THROUGH THERE IN CONSIDERATION WITH UTILITIES AS WE'D NORMALLY DO WITH JUST PLANNING TO HAVE BETTER FORESIGHT.
UM, BUT THAT'S IN A VERY PRELIMINARY STAGE AND THAT'S NOT PLANNED.
THANK YOU MR. MO, MS. HARDER, UH, FOR CLARIFICATION, IS IT A FOUR STORY, UM, APARTMENTS OR, UH, THAT'S WHAT I JUST NEED SOME.
WE'RE GETTING A NOD FROM THE APPLICANT.
UH, IF YOU COULD TURN THE, YOUR MIC HAS NOT ON.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE TURN SOME TIME OVER TO UH, PUBLIC COMMENT? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.
AT THIS TIME WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANY OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE.
PRESS THE, THE BUTTON TO ENABLE THE MICROPHONE, WAIT FOR THE GREEN LIGHT TO TURN ON AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES SO THAT WE CAN RESPECT EVERYONE'S TIME HERE THIS EVENING AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET TO ALL OF THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I HAD LORI BLOSSER 54, 77 CARTRIGHT LANE.
I DON'T THINK THESE GENTLEMEN UNDERSTAND.
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THIS IS A 55 AND OLDER COMMUNITY.THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A PATH AROUND US.
WE WALK IN THE STREETS NOW IN THE TRAFFIC OF PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THERE IS FLYING THROUGH THERE.
WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT'S 85, 90 YEARS OLD WALKING OUR STREETS.
AND THEN NOW THEY WANNA PUT MORE CARS THROUGH THERE.
HOW, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS? THEY'RE ALREADY STARTING TO RAISE OUR LOT RENTS NOW.
THEY'RE TELLING US $50 ALREADY.
WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE SENIOR CITIZENS, SOCIAL SECURITY, THAT HALF OF THEIR MONEY, IF NOT MORE, GOES TO THE LOT RENT.
AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING KIDS IN AROUND US.
SOME OF US MOVE TO GET AWAY FROM THAT.
I HAVE GRANDCHILDREN, I LOVE THEM, BUT I WANNA SEND THEM HOME.
I DON'T NEED ALL THESE KIDS COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEY KNOW THEY DON'T LIVE THERE.
THEY DON'T LIVE NOWHERE NEAR US.
THEY LIVE IN WORTHINGTON HIGH STREET.
DO YOU WALK OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE EVENING? NO, YOU DON'T.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY OF YOU GUYS.
THEY DON'T COME TO A 55 AND OLDER.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD THERE, THESE AREN'T THE KIND OF PROPERTIES WE HANDLE.
THIS IS WHAT WE GET FROM THEIR OFFICE.
DOES ANYBODY THINK ABOUT WHAT THEIR PARENTS ARE GONNA BE LIKE IF YOUR PARENTS ARE 55 AND OLDER AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO SPEND 300,000 ON A HOME, WE'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL HOME INSIDE, BUT NOW WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THEM.
EVENTUALLY THEY'RE TRYING TO SQUEEZE US OUT.
THEY KEEP RAISING THE RENTS ON US.
THEY'RE GONNA SQUEEZE US ALL OUT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE.
WHERE DO WE GO WHEN WE CAN'T AFFORD THREE, $400,000 HOMES? I CAN TELL YOU EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE IS SCARED TO DEATH.
WE, THEY TALK ABOUT A POOL AND TALK ABOUT A COMMUNITY CENTER.
IT'S A, IT'S A BIG BUILDING RIGHT NOW THAT HAS SOMEONE'S BOAT IN THERE AND OTHER JUNK IN THERE.
AND THEN YOU WANNA BRING COMMUNITIES OVER TO US.
WHAT ABOUT OUR PRIVACY? WE JUST WANNA LIVE PEACEFULLY.
THERE'S NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS FROM US, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE KIDS RUNNING OVER TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHERE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO WHEN WE WANNA WALK OUR DOGS WHERE YOU HAVE NO ANSWER FOR IT OR IN A PATH WE GOTTA WALK TO GET TO THE PATH.
WE JUST, WE, WE LIVE THERE BECAUSE WE ALL CAN'T AFFORD HOMES AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE.
BUT YOU DO, I I DO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.
I KNOW ONCE YOU BRING ALL THE APARTMENTS IN, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN A MANAGER FOR OVER 13 YEARS, THE CRIME COMES.
WHO, WHAT DO THE MOST PEOPLE WANNA PREY ON? THE ELDERLY.
WE'VE GOT A LADY LIVING IN THERE RIGHT NOW THAT'S 98 YEARS OLD.
DO YOU THINK SHE CAN GET OUT OF THE WAY OF A CAR VERY FAST? YOU KNOW, PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND FOR THE SAKE OF EXPEDIENCY WILL HOLD APPLAUSE.
I WILL, AT SOME POINTS IN TIME ASK IF THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT AGREE WITH A FORMER SPEAKER.
IF YOU DO NOT, FEEL FREE ANY ONE OF THE STAFF MEMBERS IF, IF YOU WANNA TALK TO THEM.
IF YOU DON'T WANNA COME UP TO MIC, BUT YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOUR VOICE IS HEARD, FEEL FREE.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT 7,000 INCH CAPE LANE IN DUBLIN AND I AM THE ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE H O A OF THE COTTAGES AT BALLANT TREE WOODS.
AND WE ARE LOCATED WHERE THE ROUNDABOUT FROM RINGS GOES TO CHURCHMEN.
SO WE'RE RELATIVELY CLOSE TO WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND OUR MAIN CONCERNS ARE UTILITIES.
I HAVE LIVED AT THE COTTAGES NOW FOR THREE YEARS AND EVERY YEAR THE WATER PRESSURE GOES DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
AND I THINK THAT COULD BE A BIG PROBLEM IF WE ADD MORE BUILDINGS.
WE ALSO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC.
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IF YOU HAVE BEEN ON RINGS ROAD DURING THE MORNING OR EVENING DRIVE, OR IF YOU'VE BEEN ON AVERY TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN ONTO RINGS, IT'S A DISASTER.SO WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY AND JUST AS OUR PREVIOUS SPEAKERS, UH, SAID, WE, WE REALLY DON'T WANT MORE PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WANT TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS.
AND FOR COMMENTS, IF, IF YOU DO WANNA MAKE, UH, A PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU JUST WANNA WAIT UNTIL THE FORMER SPEAKER HAS FINISHED, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
IF YOU JUST WISH TO SHOW THAT YOU, UH, AGREE, THEN AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT CONCLUDES, THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE SHOW RAISE THAT WE SHOW BY A RAISE OF HANDS.
CAN I HAVE THE SITE MAP PUT UP PLEASE? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, IF, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
6 2 4 4 CARTWRIGHT LANE, NORTH DUBLIN.
ACCORDING TO THE MAP, IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S A ROAD, UH, RINGS ROAD AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ROAD.
IS THAT CORRECT GUYS? IS THAT CORRECT? YOU HAVE ANOTHER ROAD IN THERE PARALLEL TO RINGS.
UH, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE HOUSES THAT YOU SHOW THERE.
WHAT, UH, EXACTLY IS A MANNER LOT AND, AND WE GO AHEAD AND I CAN'T YEAH, AND WE CAN DIRECT.
SO MANNER LOTS ARE DEFINED IN OUR CODE.
SO WE'LL DIRECT QUESTIONS, UM, BASED ON THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT A MANOR LOT IS BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND IT ON GOOGLE.
SO I SEE WHAT A MANOR HOME IS AND THAT IS A HUGE HOME.
UH, I KNOW WHAT THE PROPERTY IS THERE 'CAUSE MY HOME BACKS UP TO IT.
AND I SEE ON ALL SIDES OF, OF PONDEROSA THERE'S GREEN SPACE EXCEPT FOR MY SIDE WHERE IT BACKS UP TO THOSE HOUSES.
I WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S GONNA BE A FENCE.
IS THERE'RE GONNA BE GREEN SPACE? IS THERE GONNA BE SOMETHING TO KEEP THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF MY YARD? THEIR DOGS OUTTA MY YARD? THEIR KIDS? IF YOU, IF THEY HAVE KIDS OUT OF MY YARD SO I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO 'EM, SEE 'EM.
I CAME THERE, IT TOOK ME A YEAR TO FIND A PLACE THERE.
SORRY, I DIDN'T WANT, I CAME FROM A PLACE WHERE WE HAD KIDS IN TRAFFIC AND METH LABS AND THAT I CAME UP HERE, TOOK ME A YEAR.
I LOVE IT BECAUSE IT'S 55 PLUS IT'S QUIET.
I CAN WALK THE STREETS IF I WANT TO RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW I CAN WALK THE STREETS.
I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WILL HAPPEN LATER.
I WANNA KNOW, IS THERE GONNA BE SOME GREEN SPACE BETWEEN MY HOUSE FOR AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
IF YOU COULD PRESS THE BUTTON.
YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY NOT.
HELLO, MY NAME IS MARTIN LYNCH.
I LIVE AT 55 0 9 TAYSIDE CIRCLE IN DUBLIN.
IN RE SO WE MOVED TO RE ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, PRIMARILY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S APARTMENTS.
UM, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TYPE OF CLIENTELE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BRING.
UH, CONCERN ABOUT, UM, THE TYPE OF CHILDREN THAT WILL BE GROWING UP AND GOING THROUGH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT MY KIDS ARE IN, YOU KNOW, FROM WASHINGTON ELEMENTARY ALL THE WAY THROUGH DAVIDSON.
IT'S A VERY, VERY GOOD, UM, STRUCTURED SCHOOL SYSTEM.
IF YOU BRING IN OTHER KIDS WHO DON'T HAVE THE SAME VALUES THAT THE, UH, THE KIDS THAT ARE IN THE BALANCE TRAY AND AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE, IT'S GONNA
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DISTRACT THEM AND IT'S GONNA MAKE IT SO IT'S NOT AS QUALITY OF A SCHOOL SYSTEM.UM, NO, THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, IT ALSO, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, UM, THE MAIN THOROUGHLY TO GET INTO BALANCE RATE IS ON ROYAL DUBLIN.
AND NO, I I LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MORE ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA BE THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO TALK ABOUT EXPANDING RINGS.
RINGS IS BAD RIGHT NOW AS IT IS.
IT'S HARD FOR US TO TURN LEFT OUT OF ROYAL DUBLIN TO GET ONTO RINGS SOMETIMES.
AND, AND I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A CIRCLE PUT IN AT AVERY, BUT IT'S STILL GONNA BE VERY CONGESTED IN THE AREA.
AND THEN THE, THE REALLY, THE THE LAST POINT THAT I WANNA MAKE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS TALK ON NO, THERE'S SURROUNDING OTHER APARTMENTS IN THE AREA.
SO ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE OF AVERY, UNLESS I'M INCORRECT, THAT'S ALL COLUMBUS.
IT DOESN'T GO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT RE GOES TO AND SOME OF THE OTHER NO, UH, SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THIS IS GONNA CAUSE A BIG, UM, DISTRACTION AND UPROAR AND A CHANGE TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND FRANKLY, I'M AFRAID MY HOME VALUE IS GOING TO JUST START TO ERODE BY INTRODUCING APARTMENTS AND OTHER TYPE OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT FRANKLY AREN'T THE SAME QUALITY OF, OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON.
I LIVE IN BALLANT TREE IN THE COTTAGES AND I HAD, UH, SEVERAL QUESTIONS THIS AREA, WHICH POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD COVER THAT AREA.
SO, UH, I'LL HANDLE ALL OF THE, I'M TAKING FURIOUS NOTES HERE, SO I'LL HANDLE ALL OF THE QUESTIONS AT THE END.
UH, AND WE MAY REDIRECT SOME OF THOSE TO STAFF OR THE APPLICANT SO THAT ONE IS TAKEN DOWN.
'CAUSE THAT'S A SAFETY CONCERN FOR ME.
THEY CALL THE COLUMBUS POLICE AND THEY TAKE 45 MINUTES.
SO IF THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF COLUMBUS POLICE, THAT WOULD BE A BIG PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY WITH APARTMENTS.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RURAL AREA.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE TAKE THE APARTMENTS OUT OF THAT AREA AND MAKE THEM MORE LIKE COTTAGE TYPE HOMES THAT PEOPLE WOULD REALLY WANNA SEE AND WANT TO BE THERE.
BECAUSE WE DO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF AVERY, HAVE THOSE CUTE LITTLE COTTAGES THAT ARE THERE, BUILD SOME LIKE THAT.
UM, IN BALLANT TREE WOODS, WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH WATER PRESSURE TO PUT SPRINKLER SYSTEMS IN.
SO THE WATER PRESSURE IS A BIG ISSUE.
SEWER IS A BIG ISSUE AND I HAD THE ROAD SYSTEM, UH, THEY ALREADY SPEED DOWN CHURCHMEN AND WE HAVE KIDS ON THAT ROAD.
THEY SPEED LIKE DEMONS DOWN THAT ROAD AND RINGS ROAD IS TERRIBLE.
AND I WOULD EMPLOY THE DUBLIN TO LOOK AT MAKING AVERY FOUR LANES.
IT'S EXTREMELY BUSY ALL THE TIME AND RINGS ROAD IS BUSY.
IT WILL BACK UP HALF A MILE DURING RUSH HOUR.
I GO, I DON'T EVEN TOUCH THAT ROAD.
SO IF, IF THEY THINK ABOUT LOOKING OR EVEN TRYING TO GO IN RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC, IT IS A MESS.
PUT 713 MORE PLACES TO LIVE THERE IS GONNA BE A DISASTER.
I KNEW IF I PERSEVERED LONG ENOUGH I'D GET UP HERE.
MY NAME IS GLORIA POWER AND UH, SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO KNOW.
MY FAMILY HAS BEEN LIVING IN POND ROSA MOBILE HOME ESTATES FOR 50 YEARS.
I KNOW THAT BECAUSE MY SON'S GONNA BE 50 AND WHEN HE WAS SIX MONTHS OLD, HE WENT TO VISIT HIS GRANDPARENTS AT THEIR FIRST HOME THAT THEY'D EVER OWNED.
AND IT WAS THERE IN THE MOBILE HOME PARK.
NOW THAT I'M DONE WITH THAT, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND HOPEFULLY I CAN GIVE YOU ALL SOME HOMEWORK.
UH, IF YOU WOULD GO DOWN AVERY ROAD TO HAY AND RUN, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED RIGGIN ROAD, WHERE THE UNITED DAIRY FARMER IS.
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THEY'RE STILL BUILDING THEM.WE HAVE GOT MANY MEGA MEGA APARTMENTS.
YOU NEED TO GO DOWN THERE AND JUST LOOK JUST FOR A LITTLE HOMEWORK.
UH, ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THE CENTER THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HAPPENS TO BE OUR MAIL ROOM.
WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR MAIL ROOM? THAT'S WHERE WE GET OUR MAIL HAS BEEN FOR 50 YEARS.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT? THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER.
WE HAVE OUR OWN SYSTEM AT PONDEROSA, OKLAHOMA STATES.
ARE WE GOING TO BE FORCED TO GO INTO DUBLIN'S WATER? AND IF WE ARE AT WHAT COST? WE AREN'T MILLIONAIRES IN THAT PARK.
THAT'S WHY WE LIVE IN THAT PARK.
UM, IF, UH, THIS PROJECT IS GONNA TAKE PLACE, I REALLY HOPE THAT THEY BROADEN AVERY ROAD BEFORE THEY GET STARTED.
I HAVE TO GO OUT TO RINGS AND THEN OUT TO AVERY.
YOU CANNOT AT TIMES GET OUT FROM RINGS ONTO AVERY WITHOUT WAITING FOR PROBABLY FOUR TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
YOU ALL KNOW WHAT TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE AND YOU KNOW HOW YOU FEEL WHEN YOU GET STUCK BEHIND THEM.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN BUILDING AND BUILDING AROUND.
MAIL ROOM, AVERY TO RINGS APARTMENTS.
LOOK AND SEE THAT'S YOUR HOMEWORK.
NOW, UM, WIDEN, AVERY, THAT SHOULD BE DONE PRIOR TO ANY BUILDING.
UH, DID I GIVE YOU MY NAME? I'M GLORIA.
OKAY, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
YOU HIT THE, YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON.
I LIVE AT 54 90 CARTRIGHT LANE IN, UH, PONDEROSA COMPLEX.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES AND UH, THAT'S COMING UP ABOUT THE AREA AND EVERYTHING, BUT I WANT TO ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY PONDEROSA BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION SINCE I WAS 19 YEARS OLD, 70 YEARS OLD NOW.
AND I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T GO INTO THESE INVESTMENTS WITH NO VISIONS AND WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH PONDEROSA IS VERY VAGUE AND I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A VISION.
I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT THEIR LONG RANGE PLANS ARE.
YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GOING TO UPGRADE THESE LOTS? ARE THEY GOING TO LEAVE THEM JUST LIKE THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THESE NEW HOUSES? AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THESE OTHER THINGS.
YOU KNOW, THE, UH, DISPLACING PEOPLE IS ONE THING AND IT'S A HUGE THING, BUT WE WANNA KNOW ABOUT LONG RANGE PLANS BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE PLANS.
WE NEED AN IDEA WHAT THEIR IDEAS ARE, THEIR VISION IS FOR THAT PART PARTICULARLY.
I, I'M SORRY WE DIDN'T QUITE CATCH YOUR NAME.
DONNA CARTER, 54 75 CARTRIGHT LANE EAST.
AND I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID SO FAR THAT THEY TOOK A LOT OF THINGS OFF MY LIST.
UM, AND, BUT THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE AGAIN, IS THE LONGEVITY OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE PARK.
AND EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, WE ALL, WE MIGHT, SOME OF US MIGHT HAVE OPTIONS, BUT MOST OF US DON'T.
AND UM, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN CONSIDER GETTING SOME SORT OF LONGEVITY COMMITMENT FROM CASTO AND SO THAT WE ALL CAN, CAN KNOW WHAT OUR FUTURE'S GOING TO BE, UH, WHETHER WE'RE 55 OR WE'RE 95.
CAN YOU TURN UP THE MICROPHONES NOW?
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I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT WILL HELP IF EVERYONE CAN CAN NOT HAVE SIDE DISCUSSIONS.IT'S EVEN HARD FOR US TO HEAR AND WE'RE WELL RIGHT UNDER THE SPEAKERS.
FRED, STILL 6 2 5 0 CARTWRIGHT LANE, NORTH DUBLIN MADAM CHAIR AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
UH, I'M GOING TO QUOTE SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE OCTOBER 5TH DISPATCH IN THE BUSINESS SECTION.
A CASTRO REPRESENTATIVE SAID THE COMPANY DID NOT HAVE MORE DETAILS ON ITS PROPOSAL NOW, BUT IT DID SAY THE PROJECT WILL MAINTAIN THE EXISTING PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME PARK, A 107 SPACE COMMUNITY THAT OFFERS A UNIQUE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTION FOR THE AREA.
EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD SO FAR IS TRYING TO DO AWAY WITH THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SENIOR CITIZENS.
THEY WANT THROUGH STREETS TO GO THROUGH THE PARK, WHICH ARE GONNA DESTROY THAT AS A AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SENIORS.
THEY WANNA DO AWAY WITH THE MAIL ROOM AND PUT A COMMUNITY CENTER THERE, WHICH I AM QUITE SURE MOST OF THE RESIDENTS WOULD RATHER KEEP THE MAIL ROOM AND HAVE THE COMMUNITY CENTER SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE NEWER DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE WELL FIELDS THAT SUPPLY OUR WATER WITH A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THE CENTRAL SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT TAKES CARE OF OUR SEWERS IN THE PONDEROSA, UM, EXCUSE ME.
SOME OF THE AREAS CASTOR WANTS TO DEVELOP ARE SIMILAR TO RETENTION PONDS DURING PERIODS OF LARGE AMOUNTS OF RAIN.
YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO, UH, HANDLE THAT? I GUESS WITH STORM SEWERS, ANOTHER ADDED COST, WHICH IS GOING TO I'M SURE RESULT IN HIGHER LOT RENTS.
UM, AS I SAID, THERE'S CURRENTLY ONLY ONE MAIN ENTRANCE OFF OF RINGS ROAD AND THERE ARE NO THROUGH STREETS, THROUGH THE PONDEROSA TWO AREAS THAT CASTOR WANTS TO DEVELOP.
BUT THEY DO WANT TO HAVE THREE STREETS, WHICH WOULD RUIN THE PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME PARK AS IT IS NOW.
I THINK THE DENSITY THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO APARTMENTS, 458 APARTMENTS IS QUITE A BIT FOR THE AREA WITH ALL THE OTHER CONGESTION GOING ON.
AND I JUST WISH THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION.
I KNOW THIS IS AN INFORMAL HEARING, BUT WE, UH, JUST TRYING TO GET SOME SUPPORT HERE TO KEEP THE POND ROSA AS IS.
THE MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY OFF.
IF YOU COULD TOUCH THE BUTTON AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
THIS IS PRETTY FUN AND EXCITING.
LOOKS LIKE WE HAD A GREAT TURNOUT.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE, MY HOUSE IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF WHAT COULD BE LIKE A SIDEWALK OR A ROAD FACING IT.
IN BETWEEN THAT, UM, I ECHO THE SENTIMENTS FROM THE PONDEROUS PONDEROSA COMMUNITY.
UM, I HAVE A THREE YEAR OLD, A 10 YEAR OLD, THEY GO TO THE SCHOOL NEARBY.
I, MY BACKGROUND IS A PHD IN EDUCATION, SO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE CROWD THAT WILL BE, I MEAN THE SCHOOLS ARE ALREADY CROWDED AT WASHINGTON ALREADY, SO EVEN THE CLASS SIZE IN ITSELF IS, UM, NOT SUFFICIENT FOR LEARNING.
JUST INTRODUCING MORE TO THAT WITHOUT A PLAN TO CONSIDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
I SIT THERE AROUND THREE O'CLOCK JUST LOOKING AT THE ROADS.
I TRAVEL HERE AND THERE, BUT I SPECIFICALLY PICK THAT LOT BECAUSE I HAVE RETIRING PARENTS BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS OLDER.
I CALL ME CRAZY, BUT I GREW UP IN FRONT OF THE CORN FIELDS AND THAT IS VERY SERENE FOR ME NOW, UNDERSTANDING LOGICALLY THAT THERE'LL BE COMMERCIAL SPACE EVENTUALLY DOWN THE FUTURE BEFORE DEVELOPMENTS HOMING, UH, BUILD MORE HOMES, UM, CONSIDERATIONS IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ACROSS THE STREET.
DO I WANT RETAIL MIXED USE SPACE THAT I DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION TO DEFINE OR COMMITMENT OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN FRONT OF ME.
NOT IN PARTICULAR DO I WANT TO SEE INTRODUCED TO ME AND MY FAMILY.
OPPORTUNIST CRIMES RELATED TO THOSE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL SPACE
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IN THE COMMUNITY? NOT REALLY EITHER.I MEAN, I AM THE KIND OF PERSON THAT CHECKS THE COMMUNITY APPS, LOOKING AT THE SAFETY AROUND THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE YOU DO HEAR ABOUT THE CRIME RATES INCREASING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, APARTMENTS THAT WERE BUILT TWO MILES AWAY FROM US.
AND THIS IS JUST MY PARTICULAR SECURITY APP.
IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER TYPES OF APPS, I'M SURE THAT WILL INCREASE AS WELL IF YOU ADD THE NUMBERS UP.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE SURROUNDING AREAS, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE CRIME.
I MEAN, I THINK I SAW A COYOTE, WHERE'S MY COYOTE?
SO THAT'S WHAT I TYPICALLY SEE ON MY CRIME MAPS.
UM, THE CONSTRUCTION IN ITSELF, THAT'S A FIVE, PROBABLY SEVEN YEAR PROJECT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE RATE OF THE CONSTRUCTIONS WITHIN THE DUBLIN CITY, THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ADD INTO THE, INTO THAT SPACE.
SO A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER.
UM, I MEAN, AGAIN, I ECHO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, SO, HI.
I MEAN, THEY, I MEAN, YOU GUYS SAID PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.
SO, UM, AND MY GOAL WAS TO HAVE MY PARENTS LIVE AT THAT HOME FOR ME TO TRANSITION OUT OF IT EVENTUALLY, BECAUSE IT'S A ONE STORY HOME.
HOW OFTEN ARE YOU GONNA FIND AN AFFORDABLE HOME AT THAT PRICE? FIVE YEARS AGO FOR ONE STORY HOME, THEY ALREADY HAVE A NICE, BEAUTIFUL GARDEN THERE.
UM, THEY COME AND WATCH MY KIDS.
SO THAT TRANSITION I WAS LOOKING TO DO IN ONE TO TWO YEARS.
SO BECAUSE OF THE QUIET OLDER COMMUNITY.
UM, AND I SPOKE TO THE NEIGHBORS.
I HAVEN'T REACHED THE PONDEROSA COMMUNITY YET, OR, UM, THE BALANCE TRAY YET, BUT I SPOKE TO PRETTY MUCH ALL THE NEIGHBORS, JUST TRYING TO GET A SENTIMENT OF WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTING, WHAT DO THEY WANNA SEE, AND WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ON THE SAME PAGE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO CLARITY, THERE'S NO OPTION INTO THIS PROPOSAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OPTIONS OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT ALSO TO SEE A REDUCED AMOUNT OF DWELLINGS.
BECAUSE IDEALLY, IF YOU LOOK BACK 10, 12 YEARS AGO, THAT WASN'T WHAT THE VISION WAS LIKE.
AND SO I BOUGHT INTO THE, THE VISION FROM 10, 12 YEARS AGO.
UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
HI, I'M LAURA BONAI, 6 3 0 6 CARTRIGHT LANE IN THE PONDEROSA.
I'LL TRY TO TALK LOUD SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR AND CLEARLY I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND I'M, THEY'VE BEEN BRIEFLY MENTIONED, BUT I ALSO LIVE, UM, ON THE, I LIVE IN THE VERY FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I LIVE IN THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE FRONT NEIGHBORHOOD, SO MY HOUSE IS GONNA BACK UP TO THE MANOR HOMES.
AND I TOO AM CONCERNED, I DON'T SEE ANY BUFFER BETWEEN US AND THEM.
I'M CONCERNED WITH THE AMOUNT OF, UH, IF THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER ROAD THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S A BIG SPACE, BUT IS IT THAT BIG OF A SPACE UP FRONT BETWEEN US AND THE ROAD? I MEAN, I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE A ROAD AND THEN HOUSES AND THEN US.
UM, THE OTHER PROBLEM IS I'M, THOSE ARE LIKE RETENTION PONDS.
SO WHEN IT RAINS BAD OR JUST RAINS LONG, THOSE FILL UP.
THERE ARE DUCKS OUT THERE SWIMMING, SO I'M WONDERING WHERE IS THAT WATER WHEN THEY GO, IF HOUSES ARE BUILT THERE.
ALSO, UM, ON RINGS ROAD, THAT FIELD, IT FLOODS.
SOMETIMES IT FLOODS SO BAD, IT GOES OVER RINGS ROAD.
RINGS ROAD IS FROZEN IN THE WINTER, SOMETIMES THE SNOW BLOWS RIGHT OVER IT.
SO, UM, RAIN WATER RETENTION, THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME.
OUR SEWERS ALREADY DON'T HANDLE, UM, A LOT OF RAINFALL.
MY CORNER, A LOT OF THE OTHER CORNERS ARE ALL BACKED UP BECAUSE OF THE RAINFALL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S REALLY GOTTA BE ADDRESSED, WE DON'T NEED OUR HOUSES ALL FLOODED.
UM, I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE OUR ROADS IMPROVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR ROADS ARE REALLY BAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MIGHT HAVE FAITH THAT WE'RE GONNA STAY THERE IF OUR ROADS GOT FIXED.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE MAIL ROOM, THE MAIL ROOM AND THE BUILDING BEHIND IT, I'M NOT SURE.
I ONLY SEE ONE BUILDING IN THE PLANS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE MAIL ROOM'S LEAVING.
I SUPPOSE IF THE MAIL ROOM LEAVES AND THEY'LL EITHER HAVE TO PROVIDE OTHER ACCESS FOR THE MAIL OR THE MAILMAN'S GONNA HAVE TO DELIVER TO US, WHICH I'M SURE THEY DO NOT WANNA DO.
UM, I DON'T REALLY CARE IF WE HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER OR NOT.
I, I REALLY WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE
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ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT BUILDING IS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.SO I KIND OF ECHO SOME OF EVERYONE ELSE.
I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO NOT SEE THE MAIN STREET BE A THOROUGHFARE.
I MEAN, THAT'LL JUST BRING PEOPLE RIGHT THROUGH.
AND YOU GOTTA ADMIT PEOPLE, MORE PEOPLE, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE CRIME.
THE APARTMENTS THAT THEY'RE BUILDING RIGHT NOW OVER ON AVERY ROAD ARE UNBELIEVABLE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST GOING UP BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, NO SIGN OF THAT ENDING.
AND SO THEN WE'RE GONNA PUT HOWEVER MANY MORE THREE, FOUR STORIES.
I MEAN, I JUST BRING IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, LESS HOUSING, JUST LESS, LESS OF EVERYTHING.
I KNOW THAT AREA'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
I I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE OWN IT.
THEY WANNA MAKE MONEY FROM IT.
I DON'T BLAME 'EM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LESS, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, MORE MANAGEABLE.
WE'RE IN THAT GRAY SECTION THATS THAT, UH, OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE WHOLE PLANT.
BUT, UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC IS DEFINITELY A PROBLEM.
MOST RECENTLY, I SAW A BUS STOP TO DROP OFF A KID REAL CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF RINGS AND AVERY, AND THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A COUPLE CARS STOPPED ON AVERY BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T TURN INTO RINGS.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CLOSE TO RUSH SHOWER TRAFFIC WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON.
AND IT WAS, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN REAL BAD, BUT FORTUNATELY NOTHING HAPPENED AS FAR AS I KNOW.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SORT OF THING, EVEN WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, THE HOUSES ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THIS INTERSECTION SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF A BUS HAD TO STOP AND GLIT OFF AND, UH, OR EVEN A, OR EVEN A GARBAGE TRUCK
AND SO IT'S IN, IN THE LATE AT NIGHT, IT'S MORE LIKE THE INDY 500 SOMETIMES.
AND THEY, THEY'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TWO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE FLYING AT A HUNDRED, SOMEONE BEHIND THEM OR SOMEONE IN FRONT OF 'EM CHECKING IT OUT.
SO, UH, WHICH, WHICH REQUIRES MORE POLICE, YOU KNOW, IF HELP AS FAR IN THOSE SITUATIONS.
BUT IT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOES HAPPEN.
AND, UM, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS.
THEN FOR OUR LOCATION, UH, WE'RE LIKE FOUR FEET BELOW THE GRADE OF, OF THE STREET.
AND IN THE WINTERTIME, UH, IF IT, IF IT THAWS ALL THAT SNOW DRIVES THE, UH, WELL, WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THE GAS LINE AND WE HAVE TWO, UH, UH, DRAINS THAT GO INTO THE WATERWAY TO GET IT DOWN TO, TO AVERY.
AND BOTH OF THOSE WILL GET, COLLECT THE, THE, UH, THE CORN STUFF AND IT'LL FLOOD BOTH.
AND IT FLOODED THE WHOLE YARD
UM, AND THAT'S, AND THAT JUST HAPPENS IN A BIG RAIN TOO SOMETIMES WITH THIS.
UH, AND, UH, SO THAT, AND, AND EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BIG AND THEY'RE BIG, UH, DRAINS, AND THEY'RE RIGHT IN OUR, BASICALLY RIGHT IN OUR, OUR YARD, UH, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO GET, I TRY TO CLEAR 'EM OUT.
THERE'S ONE IN THE FIELD TOO, AND I CLEAR THAT OUT TOO.
'CAUSE THE OTHER, THE OWNER DOESN'T, DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF IT THAT WELL,
UM, SO THOSE, SO ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE SEE IN OUR PLACE.
AND, AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO RUN OUR BUSINESS A LANDSCAPING BUSINESS.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN OUR GARAGE, BUT WE DO HAVE OUR TRAILERS OUTSIDE THE GARAGE.
AND THEN WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, WORRIED ABOUT, UH, WITH MORE PEOPLE AROUND THERE.
AND WE'D BE MORE, YOU KNOW, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO BUILD A BETTER FENCE, YOU KNOW, MORE SECURE FENCE TO, UH, TO SAFETY AND NOT HAVE KIDS OR ANYBODY RUNNING AROUND ON, ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, JUST 'CAUSE WE HAVE ALL, YOU KNOW, MOWERS AND ALL LOT OF STUFF IN THERE FROM PLANTS.
BUT, UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, YEAH, YEAH, WE'RE JUST CONCERNED.
WE HAVE OUR OWN, WE'RE IN A SEPTIC SYSTEM, SO WE'RE NOT SURE HOW THIS WHOLE PLANT WORKS OUT WITH US HAVING OUR SEPTIC SYSTEM AS WELL, UM, TAKING.
SO WITH THAT, UM, THE, UH, AND, UH, AND WITH EVERYTHING AROUND THERE NOT BEING CONNECTED TO IT, IS THERE A PLAN, I GUESS, TO, TO GET US INTO THAT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, IN THE FUTURE? AND, UH, IF SO, WE WE'D, UH, APPRECIATE A CALL OR A LETTER
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AND JUST BY SHOW OF HANDS, IF YOU DID NOT SPEAK, SO SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU DID NOT SPEAK FOR THE VIS VISIBILITY TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, IF YOU AGREE WITH THE VA, VAST MAJORITY OF THE SENTIMENTS EXPRESSED THIS EVENING BY YOUR NEIGHBORS, COULD YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? THANK YOU.ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME WE WILL CONCLUDE OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE SOME ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
UH, WAS THERE ANY SUBMITTED DURING THE COURSE OF THE MEETING? I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS RECEIVED DURING THE MEETING.
WE DID HAVE THREE THAT WERE PROVIDED AHEAD OF THE MEETING, UM, THAT I'M HAPPY TO READ INTO THE RECORD.
UM, SO THE FIRST IS FROM, UM, EDWARD OSTROWSKI.
HE IS A RESIDENT IN THE VILLAGE OF BALLEN BELL GRIFFIN CONDOMINIUM.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE VILLAGE OF BELL GRIFFIN CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION, LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UH, NORTH RINGS ROAD AND AVERY ROADS, I WRITE AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
OUR BOARD HAS NOT TAKEN ANY POSITION REGARDING THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
OUR HOMES WILL CERTAINLY BE IMPACTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE PARCELS.
THE EXTENSION OF TUTTLE CROSSING FROM WILCOX TO AVERY SHOULD BE COMPLETED BEFORE THIS PROJECT IS COMMENCED.
AVERY CROSSING PROJECT NOTES DECLARE THAT ACCESS TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL BE FROM TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD AND RINGS ROAD.
HOWEVER, ACCESS IN DUBLIN FROM THE EAST I E FROM TWO 70 AS OF NOW, WILL NECESSARILY REQUIRE THE USE OF WARNER TEMPLE AND RINGS ROAD NEIGHBORHOODS ADJOINING THESE TWO STREETS WILL BE CALLED ON TO EXCLUSIVELY CARRY ANY INCREASED EAST WEST TRAFFIC IN DUBLIN TO AND FROM I TWO 70 TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND POINTS SOUTH AND WEST RINGS ROAD IS A TWO-LANE RESIDENTIAL ROAD IN NO WAY EQUIPPED TO HANDLE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I NOTE THAT THE GENERAL LAND USE PROJECT DRAWING HAS LARGE ARROWS SHOWING PROJECT TRAFFIC TO BE DIRECTED EAST ON KARA ROAD, EAST OF AVERY AND EAST ON TUTTLE CROSSING.
THIS DRAWING IS AT BEST DECEPTIVE SINCE TUTTLE CROSSING DOES NOT CURRENTLY EXIST BETWEEN AVERY AND WILCOX.
AND CARA ROAD EAST IS A 400 FOOT DEAD END INTO DUBLIN'S COLTON BACK PARK.
THE PROJECT DRAWINGS SUBMITTED DO NOT SHOW RINGS ROAD JUST NORTH OF CARA, WHICH WINDS FROM AVERY TO EMERALD PARKWAY AND TO I TWO 70.
THE SECTION OF RINGS HAS ABOUT 20 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH CURB CUT DRIVEWAYS, TWO LARGE CITY PARKS AND MULTIPLE CROSSWALKS TO ACCOMMODATE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS.
WITHOUT THE TOTAL EXTENSION IN PLACE AS THE SHORTEST ROUTE TO TWO 70 TRAFFIC FROM THE PROJECT, WILL WILL NECESSARILY USE RINGS ROAD.
I WILL RESERVE FOR NOW ANY COMMENT ON THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING AND WORKING WITH YOU AS THIS PROJECT PROCEEDS.
THEN I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM FRED, STILL AT 62 50 CARTRIGHT LANE IN DUBLIN, OHIO.
CASTO STATES THEY PLAN TO LEAVE PONDEROSA MOBILE HOME ESTATE AS IT IS IN THEIR REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE ON VACANT PROPERTY ON FOUR SIDES OF THE PONDEROSA OKLAHOMA ESTATES.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP CASTO OFFERS, YOU CAN SEE THEIR INTENTIONS ARE FAR DIFFERENT FROM LEAVING THE PONDEROSA ESTATES AS IS THEIR MAP SHOWS THROUGH STREETS WITHIN THE PONDEROSA, WHICH WOULD ALLOW DRIVERS TO SPEED THROUGH THE QUIET SENIOR CITIZEN PONDEROSA.
I FIRMLY BELIEVE THERE WILL BE AN UPTICK IN CRIME BY ALLOWING THE TH THE THROUGH STREETS.
ALSO, ANOTHER NEGATIVE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD BE AN IMPACT ON THE WELL FIELDS, WHICH SUPPLY WATER TO THE PONDEROSA AND HOW THE CENTRAL SEPTIC SYSTEM MIGHT BE AFFECTED.
MANY AREAS WHERE CASTO WANT TO BUILD ON THE VACANT LAND ARE NOW SIMILAR TO RETENTION PONDS DURING INCIDENTS OF HEAVY RAINFALL.
I'M SURE THERE'S A REMEDY FOR THE STORMWATER, BUT I FEAR AN ADDED COST OF WATER AND SEWER BECAUSE OF THE ZONING ZONING CHANGE IF APPROVED.
I ALSO FEEL THE END GAME FOR CASTO IS TO PRICE THE SENIOR CITIZENS OUT OF THEIR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THIS IS EVIDENT DUE TO THE RECENT $50 INCREASE TO LOT RENT PAID MONTHLY.
PLEASE STAND UP FOR YOUR SENIOR CITIZENS AND DE DENY THE ZONING CHANGE.
AND THEN THE LAST, UM, COMMENT IS FROM JIM BLOOM AT 6 1 6 7 TURVY LOOP WEST IN DUBLIN, OHIO.
AS SOMEONE LOCALLY IMPACTED BY THIS, I WANTED TO REACH OUT AND SHARE MY THOUGHTS REGARDING CAO'S AVERY CROSSING APPLICATION.
I WILL ALSO BE SUBMITTING A SIMILAR LETTER THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION FOR THIS REVIEW.
MY ISSUES SIMPLY REVOLVE AROUND THE DENSITY AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE PROPOSED APPLICATION AND NOT PASSING JUDGMENT ON A POTENTIAL APPLICATION FOR A LAND USE CHANGE.
REGARDING THE AVERY CROSSING DENSITY, 484 APARTMENTS AND 154 HOMES SLASH TOWNHOMES WILL STRAIN AN ALREADY STRETCHED THIN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR BOTH ROADS AND SCHOOLS IN THIS AREA.
THIS IS ALSO IN ADDITION TO THE PROPOSED AMLIN CROSSING PROJECT APPLICATION, WHICH INCLUDES 425 UNITS CURRENTLY IN FRONT OF PLANNING AND ZONING.
THESE TWO PROJECTS TO ADD ALMOST 1500 NEW HOUSING UNITS IN THIS STENTS AREA OF LAND.
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WELL AWARE, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS HAS PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED NUMEROUS APARTMENT COMPLEXES TO BE BUILT BETWEEN HAYDEN RUN AND THE RINGS ROAD INTERSECTION.THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DUBLIN OBVIOUSLY HAS NO CONTROL OVER, BUT IT HAS IMPACTED THE TRANSPORTATION AND SERVICES INFRASTRUCTURE OF DUBLIN AND WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP.
FROM A TRANSPORTATION STANDPOINT, IT HAS DIRECTLY IMPACTED THE VEHICLE COUNT INCREASE ON AVERY.
IT HAS RESULTED IN AN INCREASE OF ACCIDENTS AT INTERSECTIONS IN THIS CORRIDOR ALONG WITH A PEDESTRIAN DEATH IN THE APPLICATION.
CASTO ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE ONLY TRANSPORTATION PROJECT CURRENTLY ON A TIMETABLE IS THE ROUNDABOUT AT RINGS.
AND AVERY, I DO NOT BELIEVE THE CURRENT ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE CAN SAFELY SUPPORT ANY MORE GROWTH AS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED REGARDING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
IT HAS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED THE VOLUME OF STUDENTS IN WASHINGTON ELEMENTARY AND OTHER FEEDER SCHOOLS.
THE FACT IS THAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN DOES HAVE CONTROL OVER THIS PROPOSED GROWTH, BOTH FOR THE SAKE OF THE EXISTING SCHOOLS AND THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
THESE ITEMS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED CONCURRENTLY OR PRIOR TO THE INCREASE IN THE AREA'S POPULATION.
UH, I DO WANNA ADDRESS JUST A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'LL ALLOW STAFF TO, UH, CORRECT OR TO CLARIFY WHERE I AM NEGLECTFUL.
UM, SHOULD THIS APPLICATION GO FORWARD.
SO WE ARE AT AN INFORMAL REVIEW TONIGHT.
NEXT WOULD BE THE COMMUNITY PLAN, OR EXCUSE ME, THE CONCEPT PLAN.
AND THEN IT WOULD PROCEED ALONG A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ALL OF WHICH ARE PART OF THE PUBLIC PROCESS.
AND YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO PARTICIPATE SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD.
THE ITEMS OF CONCERN THAT WERE ADDRESSED IN MY NOTES FROM, FROM THE AUDIENCE THIS EVENING, OUR TRAFFIC, A TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS APPLICATION MANNER.
LOTS ARE AN ACCEPTED PROPERTY TYPE WITHIN DIFFERENT AREAS, AND THEY'RE DEFINED WITHIN THE CITY CODE.
AND TO PUT YOUR MINDS AT EASE, THEY'RE NOT LIKE WHAT YOU THINK THEY'RE LIKE BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT THE, AT THE MICROPHONE FENCES IN GREEN SPACE FENCES NOT QUITE SO MUCH AT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT CERTAINLY GREEN SPACE WOULD BE AT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
FENCES WOULD BE AT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THEIR CITYWIDE CODE THAT ADDRESSES THAT ROADWAYS WOULD ALSO BE CONCEPTED.
WE'RE LOOKING AT FEEL THIS EVENING, BUT THOSE WOULD BE PART OF THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND THEN STAFF WOULD, OH, EXCUSE ME, PUBLIC SERVICES AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ARE ALL REQUIRED AT THAT PRE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH DISCUSSIONS HAPPENING EVEN BEFORE THAT.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF WOULD LOOK INTO POLICE DEPARTMENT COVERAGE, WATER PRESSURE, WATER SYSTEMS, WHAT THEY WOULD NOT BE, WHAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN WOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EXISTENCE OF THE PARK IN PERPETUITY, UH, THE SCHOOLS THAT WOULD BE AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND ASSOCIATED COSTS TO THE RESIDENTS.
SO LOOKING TO STAFF TO SEE IF I MISSED ANYTHING TO LEGAL, IF I MISSED ANYTHING IN DEFINITIONS OR, AND OR MISSED ANYTHING.
SO MR. WILL, IF I COULD HAVE YOU PUT UP THIS EVENING, WE ARE LOOKING AT AN INFORMAL REVIEW, NON-BINDING FEEDBACK FOR THE APPLICANT OF THIS BASED ON THE, THE APPLICATION THAT THEY SUBMITTED TO US, THE STAFF PROVIDES SOME VERY HELPFUL QUESTIONS, UM, TONIGHT FOR UM, SAKE OF BREVITY FOR EVERYONE'S TIME AND TO, TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE CLEAR WITH OUR INSTRUCTIONS.
UH, WE'RE GONNA START JUST GOING QUESTION BY QUESTION, COMMISSIONER BY COMMISSIONER.
SO, MR. SOUP, LACK, IF I COULD HAVE YOU START US OFF THIS EVENING, WE WILL START WITH QUESTION NUMBER ONE.
AND, AND, UM, I HOPE, I HOPE, UH, FORSAKE FOR ALL THE, OUR SAKES, I AM BRIEF AND WILL ABIDE BY THIS WELL, BUT I DO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT REALLY QUICKLY AND I HOPE I GET EVERYBODY.
AND I, I GET YOUR NAME RIGHT, LORI, BARB, BARB MARTIN, PATTY, LORI AGAIN, UH, GREGORY, DONNA, FRED, MOLLY, LAURA, JOHN, UH, CHRIS, TONY AND JAMES.
AND FORGIVE ME FOR BEING ALL FIRST NAMES, BUT THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR SHARING WITH US TONIGHT.
AND, UM, COMING TO THE MICROPHONE, IF NOT SENDING A NOTE IN RELATIVE TO THESE QUESTIONS, UM, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF, OF DISCOMFORT AROUND A NUMBER OF THINGS.
I'M, I'M GONNA TRY AND STICK TO THESE QUESTIONS IN PARTICULAR USES, UM, I'M GONNA SAY RESIDENTIAL USE IN THIS AREA GENERALLY, YES.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN RESIDENTIAL, UH, WILL, WILL ULTIMATELY MAKE SENSE LARGELY IN THIS AREA.
UM, THERE IS, UH, A BIG VARIATION IN THE DENSITY, HOWEVER, FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN TO, TO WHAT IS PROPOSED AT PRESENT, UM, GENERAL, GENERAL LAYOUT AND ARRANGEMENT OF THOSE USES.
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IN LARGE PART, THEY ARE IN LINE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN.THEY ARE, THERE ARE ATTEMPTS TO HAVE SENSITIVE, SENSITIVE TRANSITIONS, UM, TO CERTAIN AREAS.
THERE IS NUANCE TO DEBATE, RIGHT? THE THROUGH ROUTES, THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A TRADE OF INSTITUTIONAL, I'M SORRY, COMMERCIAL FOR, FOR OFFICE, RIGHT? WHICH COULD BE DEBATABLE IF IN THE LOCATIONS.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY SOME OF THOSE USES ARE STILL RESIDENTIAL AND THEY GET TO BE REALLY BIG TO THE POINT OF THE DENSITY PROBLEM IS, IS ONE ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT IN LARGE PART, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, HEAVIEST AT THE APARTMENTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH ARE PROBLEMATIC, UM, SUPPORTIVE.
AM I SUPPORTIVE OF THE PLANS FOR THE EXISTING PONDEROSA? UM, THERE IS SOME NICE TREATMENT IN THERE.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UH, GENEROUS BUFFERS AROUND THE COMMUNITY.
THERE IS, UM, RIGHT HOW THOSE THINGS WEAVE TOGETHER.
THERE IS OBVIOUSLY DISCOMFORT FOR HOW THOSE SPECIFIC CONNECTIONS THE CIRCULATION ARE CURRENTLY WORKING AND THE RAMIFICATIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK THERE IS A, A WEALTH OF WORK TO DO THERE TO UNDERSTAND IF AND HOW IT WOULD WORK, UH, FOR EVERYBODY IN A, IN A GOOD WIN-WIN SITUATION.
UM, BUT GENERALLY, I'LL SAY THE, THE BUFFERS IN PARTICULAR, THE SPACE, UM, IN, THERE'S SEVERAL SIDES THAT ARE AGREEABLE.
THERE IS ONE SIDE THAT, UH, CLEARLY IS DISAGREEABLE.
UM, THEY JUST NEED TO BE WELL THOUGHT AND WELL COORDINATED WITH THE COMMUNITY, SUPPORTIVE OF THE OPEN, THE PROPOSED OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK GENERALLY TYPES, LOCATION SIZES, UM, TREATMENT OF THE SITE.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S TOUCHING ON CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THE BUFFER THAT'S IN PLACE, UM, STARTING TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME OF THE NICE CITIES THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE.
AGAIN, THERE ARE, THERE ARE RAMIFICATIONS TO THOSE AND HOW THEY ARE, UM, POTENTIALLY BEING, UH, USURPED AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY AND, AND USED IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
UM, BUT I I WILL SAY FUNDAMENTALLY THERE IS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO LACE THEM THROUGH THE SITE IN AN EFFECTIVE MANNER.
UM, THAT IS NOT ENTIRELY DISAGREEABLE.
UH, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S STILL WORK TO DO WITH THE COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT ALL EBBS AND FLOWS EFFECTIVELY.
STREET NETWORK AND CIRCULATION IN PARTICULAR.
THIS ONE, THIS ONE ALSO GIVES ME MAJOR, MAJOR PAUSE.
UM, ULTIMATELY I THINK YOU LEVERAGED TUTTLE CROSSING AS THE BARRIER TO WHAT IS TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS, AS EVERYONE POINTED OUT, APARTMENTS, RIGHT? SO YOU TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TAKE OUT THE, THE, THE NATURE THAT IS DESIRED, WHICH IS THE MEANDERING, UH, BUCOLIC, UM, UH, AGRARIAN KIND OF VIBE.
AND MAYBE, MAYBE IN PRINCE PR UH, PRESS DOWN THE, THE BUFFERS ON EACH SIDE.
AND OF COURSE THEN CREATE SOME SPACE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHERE YOU COULD EFFECTIVELY LAND THE APARTMENTS RIGHT ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BUFFER.
UM, AND IN WHAT IT IS, I UNFORTUNATELY THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE.
I THINK TOTAL CROSSING SHOULD ABIDE SOMETHING TO SOMETHING CLOSER TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
AND ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD START TO ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE DISCOMFORT THAT EVERYBODY IS HAVING WITH DENSITY, WITH CIRCULATION, UH, ASPECTS AROUND ALL OF THIS.
UM, AND MAYBE I JUST COUPLED THE LAST TWO IN, IN TOGETHER AROUND THAT COMMENTARY ON TOTAL CROSSING, AS FOR THE REST OF THE STREET GRID, O OBVIOUSLY THERE IS, THERE IS AN EXISTING COMMUNITY, UH, TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND HONOR IN REALLY ROBUST WAYS.
UM, THERE'S CLEARLY IS SOME DISCOMFORT WITH HOW THE STREET NETWORK LACES INTO OR OUT OF THEM.
UM, I, I SPECIFICALLY, SPECIFICALLY THE, YOU HAVE THREE EXTRA CONNECTION POINTS ON THE TAIL, ON THE BACKSIDE.
YOU HAVE, UM, BONANZA LANE SUDDENLY BECOMING THE CENTERPIECE OF THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY, WHICH WILL BY DEFAULT INVITE A WEALTH OF TRAFFIC TO IT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT HAS TO BE, THOSE, THOSE THOUGHTS HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT, UH, IN REALLY ROBUST WAYS.
I THINK ONCE YOU SORT OF RENEGOTIATE THE DENSITY, THE STREET GRID WILL CLEARLY BY DEFAULT ALSO TAKE ON A VERY DIFFERENT, A VERY DIFFERENT NATURE.
UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
I AM GENERALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE TONIGHT.
I TEND TO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE.
I, I THINK THAT THE DENSITY COULD BE CLOSER TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK RESIDENTIAL IS PROBABLY A PERFECT USE AND I THINK THE COMMERCIAL, UM, MIXED USE COMMERCIAL WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CURRENT RESIDENTS WILL REALLY APPRECIATE EVENTUALLY.
UM, UH, NO, NO, UH, I GUESS NO.
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UH, BUT, BUT I, IF I LIVED THERE, I GUESS I WOULD APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO RUN TO THE STORE AND HAVE, HAVE, UH, HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL USE.UM, THE, THE APARTMENTS AT THE SOUTH END BOTHER ME.
IT CREATES A LOT OF, UH, MORE DENSITY THAN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, UH, FORECASTED.
SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THEY DID A GREAT JOB WITH THE LAYOUT AND THE GREEN SPACE AND, AND, UH, ACTUALLY PROTECTING THE PONDEROSA.
I, I WOULD WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, UH, MAIN DRAG COMING THROUGH THE POND ROSE ELIMINATED.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S JUST A QUESTION OF FINE TUNING THE, THE SITE.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT SAID, I, I'M, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT COME A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE LAYOUT AND THE DENSITY AND, UM, UH, THE, UM, MAIN DRAG ELIMINATED THROUGH THE PONDEROSA AND, UM, UH, SOME FINE TUNING.
BUT, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THAT RESIDENTIALS THE THING TO BE THERE.
AND I THINK THAT THE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL, I THINK WOULD, PEOPLE WOULD GROW TO LOVE IT WITH BEING ABLE TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND, AND THAT CLOSE TO DISTANCE AND SO ON.
UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, GENERALLY WITH MY COLLEAGUES.
I THINK THE LAND USES, UM, ARE APPROPRIATE, UH, IF RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE.
AND I ALSO WOULD AGREE THAT, UH, THAT COMMERCIAL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE TO SUPPORT THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE DENSITY ISSUE IS, IS SORT OF A, A BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
THERE WAS ONE SLIDE, AND I THINK OF THINGS AS WHAT WE CALL SOMETIMES IN BUSINESS, THE BID ASKS SPREAD THE DELTA.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN SUGGESTS AND WHAT THE APPLICANT'S FIRST VOLLEY IS, IS THAT THAT'S A BRIDGE TOO FAR AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
SO I DO THINK I, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF INCREASED DENSITY GENERALLY, AND I THINK THIS IS, UH, A GOOD PLACE FOR INCREASED DENSITY, GIVEN THE COMPLIMENTARY NATURE OF WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED THERE.
UH, BUT THAT'S JUST, UH, JUST TOO MUCH.
UM, SO I TOUCHED ON THE, THE LAYOUT AND AND ARRANGEMENT OF THE USES, UM, THE COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO PLANS FOR, FOR THE EXISTING, UH, PONDEROSA.
UH, WE, WE ARE LIMITED IN WHAT IMPACT WE HAVE.
I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU ARE, WOULD BE CONCERNED, UH, YOU MENTIONED RENTS AND, AND OTHER THINGS.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S A PRIVATE MATTER, UH, THAT THIS, THAT WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN.
WE'RE SENSITIVE TO YOUR CONCERNS, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN COMMENT ON.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT I REALLY DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PLANS, UH, AT THIS LEVEL TO, TO COMMENT.
OTHER THAN THAT, UM, THE OPEN SPACE, I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF THAT.
THE STREET NETWORK AND CIRCULATION.
I MEAN, THE, IT, THE CHARACTER OF HAVING WHAT WOULD APPEAR TO BE, WHAT WOULD BE THE MAIN ACCESS FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, UH, ON PONDEROSA, WOULD J JUST, UH, CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THAT, UM, OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
AND I THINK WE'RE ALL SAYING, OR I'M SAYING THERE NEED, THERE NEEDS TO BE ANOTHER WAY THAN RUNNING THE, RUNNING THE MAIN DRAG TRAFFIC THROUGH, UH, THROUGH THERE.
UM, AND I WOULD ALSO AGREE, UM, THAT THE CHARACTER THAT, THAT TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD EXTENSION, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER MODELS, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT HIGHLAND CROIX, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, IT JUST BIGGER A, A WIDER BUFFER I THINK WOULD BE, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE THERE.
AND IT'S, IT'S CIRCULAR BECAUSE AS, AS, UH, MR. SUPAK POINTED OUT, THE APARTMENTS SORT OF GET IN THE WAY OF THAT, BUT THE APARTMENTS ALSO IMPACT THE DENSITY A LOT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE TAKEAWAY WORD OF THE, I THINK IS, IS, IS, IS DENSITY.
I MEAN,
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OR, OR ARE MINIMIZED.BUT I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A, A LOT OF GREAT PLANNING WENT INTO THIS.
AND I WILL SAY I'M WITH FINE TUNING OR A LOT OF TUNING, UH, I'M TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AT THIS POINT.
MR. CHINOOK, I, I WANT TO, AGAIN, THANK THE PUBLIC FOR SHOWING UP.
AND JUST BRIEFLY HOW WE WORK IS WE, WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AHEAD OF, AHEAD OF THESE MEETINGS.
WE GET ALL THE, THE INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME FROM STAFF, AND WE LOOK AT THE PLANS, WE REVIEW THE PLANS IN DEPTH SO WE CAN HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
AND WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THESE PLANS PRIOR TO COMING TONIGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS FANTASTIC HOW THEY'VE INTEGRATED THE, YOUR COMMUNITY, PONDERS COMMUNITY INTO THE PLANS AND THEY'VE GOT THESE COMMUNITY SPACES.
BUT MAYBE THAT DOESN'T, YOU'VE CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT IT THAT YOU GUYS CAME TONIGHT AND BROUGHT FORWARD YOUR OPINION.
SO MAYBE IN THIS CASE, YOU NEED TO BE MORE INSULATED FROM THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING, A CLEAR MESSAGE TO THE APPLICANT TO SAY, I REALLY THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TALK TO 'EM, FIGURE OUT REALLY WHAT THEY WANT.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD HELP THAT THEM A LOT.
AND, AND, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
I APPRECIATE THE SHOW OF SUPPORT.
UH, HOWEVER, WE, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER VERY LONG APPLICATION AFTER THIS ONE THIS EVENING, AND YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE DON'T GET RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.
SO WHEN YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT A COMMISSIONER IS SAYING, WE CERTAINLY WELCOME, WELCOME YOU TO REACH OUT TO US OR TO REACH OUT TO STAFF TO, TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THAT TAKEAWAY.
SO THE, THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I AM GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
I THINK YOU'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF CREATING JUST THE, WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING MIXED USE AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, USES HERE.
WE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY SIDE.
I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO KIND OF RETHINK THAT.
AND THEN I, AND I JUST ADD THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE, ESPECIALLY THE TOTAL ROAD CONNECTION WE SAW, THERE'S JUST AN ORGANIC NATURE TO KIND OF THE FLOW OF THAT ROAD.
AND I THINK AS YOU LOOK AT THE AUTO AUTOMOTIVE ACCESS AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGH THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, WE USE LIKE ORGANIC OR MAYBE JUST, IT'S NOT QUITE AS SO MANY THROUGH STREETS, OR MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING IT CAN DO TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE PEDESTRIAN SAFE, MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, MITIGATE TRAFFIC A BIT THROUGH HERE.
UM, SO I, I THINK AGAIN, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT, BUT, UM, SOME, SOME REFINEMENT NECESSARY TO, TO KIND OF GET, GET WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
THANK YOU, MR. CHINOOK, MS. HARDER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND GIVING THE PRESENTATION.
WE APPRE I APPRECIATE THE, THIS SO MUCH.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IN GENERALLY IT, IT'S, UH, I AGREE WITH MANY OF, OF THE COMMISSIONERS AS WELL TOO.
UM, AND SEEING YOUR PLAN TONIGHT, I PROBABLY DRIVE PAST PONDEROSA PROBABLY A HUNDRED AND THOUSAND DIFFERENT TIMES AND SO FORTH, BUT I DID TAKE A MOMENT TO DRIVE THROUGH THERE AND IT IS A LOVELY COMMUNITY AND I CAN, I, YOU DEFINITELY CAN SEE HOW YOU CAN MAKE A 55 PLUS, UM, INTEGRATE INTO THIS OPPORTUNITY AND WHERE EVERYONE CAN BE VERY PROUD OF IT.
UM, TO DO THAT, THOUGH, I LOOK AT THAT WITH THE LAND USE, IT IS APPROPRIATE, BUT THE DENSITY IS HIGH.
I, UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME, UM, TALL BUILDINGS, FOUR STORY APARTMENTS, I'M CONCERNED HOW THAT LOOKS.
THEN WHEN YOU'RE BRINGING IN, UM, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES IN THERE TOO, WHERE IT LOOKS HIGH AND LOW AND YOU ALSO HAVE LIKE, BALANCE TRAY ACROSS THE STREET.
I DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THAT.
THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING AND ALL THEY CAN SEE IS A FOUR STORY, UM, APARTMENTS AND, AND THAT, UM, LOOK AS WELL TOO, UM, AND INTEGRATE ALSO ART, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AROUND THAT AREA TOO, THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BALANCE TRAY AND THEY REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THEIR STONES AND, AND WHAT, AND, AND INCORPORATING ALL OF THAT.
AND TO ME, THAT'S BRINGING IN THAT, THAT EXTRA LITTLE TOUCHES AND THERE'S WAYS OF THE TREES AND, AND INTEGRATING, TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO REALLY THINK ABOUT ALL THAT.
SO IT'S REALLY SPECTACULAR AND SURPRISES FOR EVERYBODY.
SO EVERYBODY CAN KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, MOVE TOGETHER ON THAT.
UM, SORRY, I'M GOING OFF ON MY OLD TANGENT HERE.
SO, UM, I, I SAID YES ON THAT.
THE APARTMENTS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, THE BUFFER IS, IS IMPORTANT.
THE STREETS HAVE TO BE RE-LOOKED AT THERE.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU SIT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TALK WITH THEM.
IT WOULDN'T HURT TO BRING IN, UM, THE DUBLIN POLICE AND TALK TO THEM AND WHAT KIND OF SAFETY COULD HAPPEN WITH THAT TOO.
UM, LEMME SEE IF I HAD ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU, UH, COMING.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING TO BE TALKING ABOUT.
AND, UM, THE NEXT TIME YOU COME, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, ALL OF US LOOKING, UH, DEEPER AND REALLY, REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS AND
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HOW THAT'S INVOLVED WITHIN, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT.UM, I, I WILL CONCLUDE OUR COMMISSION DELIBERATION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM THIS EVENING.
UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE WERE NO DEVELOPMENT, THERE WOULDN'T NEED TO BE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
SO WHILE SOME OF US KIND OF WISH WE COULD PUSH THE PAUSE BUTTON ON EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING AROUND US, IT, IT IS THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN.
HOWEVER, WE ARE GIVEN SPECIFIC TOOLS, UH, AS A COMMUNITY AND AS A COMMISSION.
AND THOSE INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE THOROUGH FAIR PLAN, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, ALL OF WHICH, UM, HAVE A VISION FOR THIS AREA TO BE A RURAL COMMUNITY.
UH, THE NUMBER OF THE, THE LAND USES AND DENSITIES, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF THE LINCHPIN.
IF, IF THE DENSITY GOES AWAY, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM A LOT OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, THEN THE LAYOUT GOES AWAY.
THAT CHANGES THE PLANS FOR PONDEROSA.
THOSE, THE PLANS FOR THE SURROUNDING AREAS TO PONDEROSA THOSE CHANGE.
THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK NOW CHANGES.
UH, THE DENSITY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS TWO TO THREE RESIDENTIAL UNITS PER ACRE.
AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IN THE LEAST DENSE AREA IS 4.8.
THE MOST DENSE IS 35, AND THAT IS JUST A BIG FAT NO FROM ME.
SO, UM, I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WANT TO COME TO DUBLIN.
DUBLIN IS A GREAT PLACE, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE COLUMBUS.
SO BUFFERING APARTMENTS ON THE END OF THE CITY BECAUSE IT COMPLEMENT SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE.
IT IS WHY WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHY WE HAVE THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN LAID OUT THE WAY THAT WE DO.
UH, I THINK THAT YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THIS.
YOU CAN SEE THE DRAWINGS, YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU WANT A, A GOOD PARCEL.
YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU WANT, UM, UH, AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT WE STILL HAVE A, A VISION OF OUR OWN.
AND WE HAVE A VISION AS A CITY, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA.
AND, UM, I DON'T SEE THAT ANY OF THESE ITEMS FIT, UH, WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSAL.
NOW, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT, THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU AS PARTNERS IN DUBLIN.
WE WANT YOU TO BE OUR PARTNERS, BUT WE DO WANT YOU TO EMBRACE THE VISION.
AND IF OUR VISION IS WRONG, IF YOU SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, WE, WE SEE VALUE IN OR COME HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH US, STAFF IS FANTASTIC AND THEY CAN HELP YOU NAVIGATE THE PROCESS AGAIN.
BUT AS FAR AS WHAT, WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING, THIS IS NOT AN APPLICATION THAT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF.
UM, FOR CLARITY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE CLARITY ON THIS EVENING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE FROM THE COMMISSION? NO, I THINK I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR, YOUR INPUT.
UH, WE ALWAYS HAVE SOME THINGS TO WORK ON.
SO WE WILL, UH, WE'LL GET TO WORK AND WE WILL HOPEFULLY SEE YOU ALL, UH, HERE IN THE FUTURE WITH, UH, WITH REVISED PLAN.
ALRIGHT, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE JUST A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSION MEMBERS, THEN, THEN, UH, WE WILL BE AROUND.
BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
[Case #23-066 & Case #23-064]
UM, WE ARE MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT CASE.UH, SO WE HAVE TWO CASES BEING HEARD TOGETHER.
AMLIN CROSSING AT 52 74 COS GRAY ROAD, REZONING PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND AMLIN CROSSING, SAME ADDRESS, PRELIMINARY PLATT.
CAN WE PUT UP THE SLIDE SHOWING THE SITE LOCATION AND THE REVIEW PROCESS STAGE PLEASE.
UH, CASE 23 DASH 0 66 IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING OF AN APPROXIMATELY 105 ACRES FROM RURAL TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF 101 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND 270 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS.
THE SITE IS LOCATED EAST OF CO COS GRAY ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 1300 FEET SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION WITH RINGS ROAD CASE 23 DASH 60 ZERO, EXCUSE ME, DASH 64 IS A REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY PLATT APPROVAL FOR THE SAME PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE WILL TURN TIME OVER TO MR. CHILLO FOR OUR APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
AARON UNDERHILL WITH UNDERHILL AND HODGE AT 8,000 WALTON PARKWAY, UH, IN NEW ALBANY
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HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.UM, MY PRESENTATION THIS EVENING IS THE ANTITHESIS OF WHAT MY NORMAL APPROACH IS.
IT'S GOING TO BE UNORTHODOX AND IT'S GOING TO BE BLUNT.
IT MAY MAKE ME PERSONA NON GRATA IN DUBLIN FOR SOME TIME TO COME.
BUT I HOPE, AND AFTER 20 YEARS HERE, THAT I'VE EARNED ENOUGH CREDIBILITY TO GIVE YOU MY OPINION ON WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE AND THE WRONGS THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED UPON SCHOTTENSTEIN HOMES WITH HIS STAFF REPORT.
THE GOAL HERE IS NOT TO PROVIDE A 10 MINUTE B***H SESSION.
IT IS TO ADVOCATE FOR MY CLIENT AS MY OATH AS AN ATTORNEY REQUIRES ME TO DO THAT.
BUT I CAN'T SIT IDLY BY AND NOT POINT OUT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED AND ALL THE WRONGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ALONG THE WAY HERE.
AND WHAT HAS BEEN OVER A TWO YEAR PROCESS.
IT, THE STAFF REPORT REFLECTS ALL SORTS OF NEGATIVE COMMENTS.
IT DOES NOT, UH, MAKE, UH, REFERENCE TO THE HISTORY OF THE CASE OR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE IN COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED FROM YOU PREVIOUSLY.
SO MY HOPE IS THAT AFTER CONSIDERING MY THOUGHTS, THIS COMMISSION CONSIDERS OUR PLIGHT AND PROVIDES US DIRECTION TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, WITH A CLEAR DIRECTION TO STAFF TO WORK WITH US.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I'M GONNA GET A VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS TONIGHT.
UH, I THINK THERE'S MORE OF A LIKELIHOOD THAT TOM BRADY'S EX-WIFE WALKS THROUGH THIS DOOR RIGHT NOW AND ASK ME OUT FOR A DATE.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR TONIGHT.
I WE WOULD LIKE SOME DIRECTION.
WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO IDENTIFY THE POSITIVES OF THIS.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE WORK TO DO.
THESE SORTS OF THINGS ARE COMPLICATED.
UH, BUT WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GET IN MY PRESENTATION.
SO I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE FOR 20 YEARS AND I'VE NEVER HAD A PERFECT STAFF REPORT, BUT THERE'S A FIRST FOR EVERYTHING.
IT'S NOT TONIGHT, BUT IT WAS CLOSE 15 OF 16 CRITERIA NOT MET ON WITH OUR PLAN.
WHY WOULD THIS BE? IS IT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN UNPROVEN AND INEXPERIENCED TEAM? WELL, NO SCHOTTENSTEIN HOLMES PRINCIPALS, STEVE SCHOTTENSTEIN AND PAUL KOPPEL HAVE OVER 60 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE BUSINESS.
I'VE BEEN COMING HERE FOR TWO DECADES, ALONG WITH GREG ELLO, OUR LAND PLANNER, UH, KIMLEY HORNE AND MIKE REEVES.
OUR CIVIL ENGINEER IS WELL RESPECTED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND, AND, UH, IS INVOLVED IN MANY SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS THROUGHOUT CENTRAL OHIO.
AND OUR ARCHITECT, MITCH C**K AND HIS GROUP, THEIR SECOND TO NONE, AND THEIR REPUTATION PRECEDES 'EM.
ARE WE UNWILLING TO LISTEN OR REACT TO PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS? WELL, AS YOU SEE HERE, I'VE TAKEN A COUPLE SNIPPETS FROM THE, THE MINUTES AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD HERE, THE SECOND CONCEPT PLAN WE PRESENTED IN AUGUST OF 2022, AND WE WERE COMMENDED FOR THE EFFORTS WE WERE MAKING TO TRY TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS.
NOW, ADMITTEDLY, UH, THERE WAS WORK TO DO AND THAT WAS LOUD AND CLEAR TO US, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN UP TO.
AND, UM, YOU'LL SEE FOR THE VARIOUS REASONS THAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU, THAT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT WITH, UH, THE MOVING TARGETS IN FRONT OF US.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE.
WE ALL LOVE MY FOOTBALL ANALOGY FROM WAY BACK WHEN THE PULTE HOMES.
WELL, THESE, UH, FIVE, UH, AND FROM THE PROJECT IN, IN BRIDGE STREET, THESE FIVE, UH, YELLOW BOXES HERE REPRESENT THE FIVE TIMES THE FOOTBALL HAS BEEN PULLED OUT FROM UNDERNEATH OF THIS PEANUTS GANG THAT I'M IN.
UH, THE FIRST, THE FIRST TIME WAS WHEN, YOU KNOW, I, I HEARD REFERENCE AT THE END OF THE LAST PRESENTATION, MISSED CALL TO, YOU KNOW, THE AREA PLAN AND WANTING TO ADHERE TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
WELL, OUR STARTING POINT WAS TO DO THAT, AND WE PUT A PLAN TOGETHER THAT DID THAT, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE STREET WAS, WAS NO LONGER, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR THAT LOCATION.
SO WE HAD TO REDRAW OUR PLAN BEFORE WE EVEN GOT HERE AND BEFORE WE COULD PRESENT OUR FIRST CONCEPT PLAN.
THAT FIRST CONCEPT PLAN CONSISTED OF US OVERCOMING, UH, UH, SOME OF THE, THE DIFFERENCES IN A PLAN FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE THAT RESULT FROM MOVING A ROAD.
IT IS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE PROJECT.
SO THAT WAS IN DECEMBER, 2021.
UH, WE, IN FEBRUARY, 2022, WE HEARD THAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS GOING TO BE UPDATED IN, IN, I'M SORRY, IN 23.
THESE SHOULD SAY, THAT SHOULD SAY 23.
AND IN AUGUST OF 2023, WE CAME BACK WITH ANOTHER CONCEPT PLAN.
AND THIS IS WHERE SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, UH, WERE, UH, WERE SET FORTH THAT THAT COMMENDED US FOR OUR EFFORTS.
UM, SO WE WERE ENCOURAGED AT THAT POINT, AND WE KNEW WE STILL HAD A LOT OF WORK TO DO, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN HERE WE COME WITH THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
MAYBE MY DATES ARE RIGHT, I GUESS THEY ARE 22, AUGUST 22, IN LATE MARCH OF 23, THOSE WERE ADOPTED AND THEY APPLIED TO RESIDENTIAL PUDS, AND OF WHICH WE WERE ONE.
NOW WE HEARD LOUDLY AND CLEARLY FROM THIS GROUP THAT EVERYONE WANTED TO SEE A UNIQUE PRODUCT AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND A MIX OF USES.
WELL, WE'VE TRIED OUR DARNEDEST IN THE LAST YEAR, ALMOST YEAR NOW, TO, UM, TRY TO INCORPORATE WHAT WE, THE COMMENTS WE HEARD PREVIOUSLY, BUT THEN WE HAVE THESE TO DEAL WITH NOW.
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MATTER IS, IF THE EXPECTATION IS WE'RE GONNA MEET ALL OF THEM, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.IT JUST CAN'T BECAUSE OF ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, WE CAN'T SCRAP THIS.
AGAIN, THE INTERIOR LAND USE PRINCIPLES, WHICH ARE MY FAVORITE, UM, AND UH, BE DISTINCTLY DUBLIN BEING MY SPECIAL, SPECIAL FAVORITE, IS ANOTHER ONE WE HAVE TO CONTEND WITH.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS INTRODUCED HERE IN JUNE.
AND, UH, HERE WE FIND OURSELVES IN OCTOBER.
UH, AFTER HAVING DEALT WITH ALL OF THIS ALONG THE WAY, WHILE THESE PLANS WERE IN PROCESS, PAGE FOUR OF THE STAFF REPORT, UH, SAYS STAFF RECOMMENDED THE APPLICANT SUBMIT AN ADDITIONAL CONCEPT PLAN, AND WE CHOSE INSTEAD TO FILE A REZONING AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WHY WOULD THEY SUGGEST THIS? WELL, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, IT IS REPLETE WITH REFERENCES TO THINGS WILL BE DONE AT THE CONCEPT PLAN STAGE.
UH, WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE CONCEPT PLAN STAGE ANYMORE.
IT'S TIME TO START MOVING THIS IN A DIRECTION WHERE IT CAN GET SOME LEGS.
AND SO, UM, CONVENIENTLY MISSING FROM THE STATEMENT OF, OF WHERE IT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE NOW DO CONSERVATION DESIGN AND WHICH FRANKLY BLEW THE WHOLE REPORT OUT OF THE WATER AND, AND, AND MADE IT SO IT WAS GONNA BE NEGATIVE THROUGHOUT, UH, IS THE REFERENCE IN SECTION TWO B OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT THEY WILL, WE WILL PROVIDE A SITE LAYOUT BASED ON CONSERVATION DESIGN PRACTICES AT THE CONCEPT PLAN STAGE.
AND, UH, WE, AND, AND BY THE WAY, THIS, THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES DID NOT EXIST WHEN WE HAD OUR CONCEPT PLAN.
THERE ARE OTHER REFERENCES THROUGHOUT, UH, ABOUT, AS PART OF A CONCEPT PLAN APPLICATION AND OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK PLAN, UH, SHALL BE PROVIDED.
AND THE FOLLOWING OF AN EVALUATION OF THAT, UH, THERE WILL BE A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER THE PROPOSAL SHOULD ADHERE TO THE CONSERVATION DESIGN DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.
I, I WAS SURPRISED TO EVEN SEE REFERENCE TO THE CONSERVATION DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
I'D NEVER HEARD THAT UNTIL RECENTLY HERE.
BUT THIS WAS ALL THINGS THAT IF WE WOULD'VE STARTED AND HAD NOTICE OF THIS AT THE BEGINNING, WE CERTAINLY WOULD'VE TRIED TO, UH, PLAN TOWARDS STAFF REPORT ON PAGE 13 SAYS, WHILE THE USE THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF VAGUENESS, UH, IN, IN YOUR CODE OR MAYBE, UH, THINGS THAT ARE BEING IGNORED, UH, IN THIS STAFF REPORT, WHILE THE USE OF DRY BASINS ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE CITY, THE NUMBER PROPOSED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY STAFF DUE TO DESIGN, MAINTENANCE AND AESTHETICS.
WELL, IF THE BASINS ARE PERMITTED BY CODE, HOW CAN THAT BE OVERRIDDEN? THEY'RE PERMITTED.
NOWHERE IN THE CITY CODE DOES IT TALK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF BUILDING MATERIALS ARE ALLOWED IN A, IN A RESIDENTIAL P U D, THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT APPLY THE RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE STANDARDS TO STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICTS.
BUT FOR US, WE'RE LEFT TO GUESS.
AND, AND, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO GUIDANCE.
SO WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? UM, HERE AGAIN, THIS GOES TO THE VAGUENESS OF THAT THAT MY FAVORITE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLE BE DISTINCTLY DUBLIN.
NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO SAY TO ME OR US NOR WILL THEY EVER BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHAT THIS MEANS.
AND I THINK THE REAL TEST HERE IS WHAT THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE PO POTTER STEWART SAID WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT MEANT TO HAVE OBSCENE COMMENT THAT WAS NOT PROTECTED BY FREE SPEECH.
WELL, FROM OUR SIDE OF THE DAAS, THAT'S A DIFFICULT STANDARD TO MEET AND WE'RE LEFT TO CONTINUALLY GUESS WHAT'S THE POINT WE NEED TO BE EVALUATED IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ALONG THE WAY.
AND WE COME HERE WITH A STAFF REPORT THAT BASICALLY SAYS, WE MEET NOTHING IN YOUR CODE OR IN YOUR GOVERNING DOCUMENTS FOR PLANNING.
OVER $400,000 HAVE BEEN SPENT TO DATE TO GET TO THIS POINT.
AS I, MY POINT IN SAYING THAT WE HAVE ALL THIS EXPERIENCE ON THIS TEAM IS WE, WE ARE PAID AS CONSULTANTS AND I AM ESPECIALLY TO READ THE TEA LEAVES AND TRY TO DECIPHER, UH, WHAT IS SAID AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS IN EARNEST.
UH, I FRANKLY FEEL LIKE A THIEF AND I'VE STEAL, BEEN STEALING MY CLIENT'S MONEY 'CAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN NOWHERE.
THIS PROPOSAL SEEMED TO HAVE SOME MERIT PREVIOUSLY UNTIL WE GOT INTO THIS EVER-CHANGING LANDSCAPE OF, OF DOCUMENTS THAT CHANGE AND, UH, NEW PRINCIPLES THAT ARE TO BE APPLIED.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK THIS CAN BE VIEWED IN A BACK IN A VACUUM.
AND IF THERE WAS SOME MERIT TO THE PROPOSAL BEFORE, THERE SHOULD STILL BE SOME MERIT TO IT.
AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TONIGHT IS TO, TO TELL US WHERE WE STAND IN THAT LIGHT.
SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WE CAN PUT THIS DOG DOWN AND OUT OF ITS MISERY.
UH, WE'RE HAPPY FOR YOU TO TELL US TO GET LOST IF THAT'S WHAT IS, IS REALLY THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF REPORT WOULD, WOULD TELL US TO DO.
THE OTHER OPTION IS TO RECOGNIZE THE HISTORY HERE, THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING IT, THE MYRIAD, UH, THINGS THAT HAVE AFFECTED THIS PLAN FROM THE CHANGING OF THE LOCATION OF TUTTLE, UH, EXTENSION, UH, TO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS SUCH AS, UH, HAVING
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TO, TO LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES NOW AND TRY TO DESIGN TO THAT ALL WHILE TRYING TO BRING A UNIQUE PRODUCT TYPE TO YOU.THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TIME, MONEY, AND EFFORT UNDER THE BRIDGE, UH, TO GET TO THIS POINT.
AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOWHERE.
SO, UM, I'M FRANKLY EMBARRASSED TO BE BEFORE YOU WITH A STAFF REPORT LIKE THIS.
AND MAYBE THE RIGHT THING WOULD'VE BEEN TO THE RIGHT THING TO DO, WOULD'VE BEEN TO TABLE THIS AGAIN.
AND MAYBE WE BROUGHT ANOTHER CONCEPT PLAN BACK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE REAL DOLLARS REAL BUSINESS DECISIONS BEING MADE AND WE FEEL LIKE WHAT WE BROUGHT IS A QUALITY PRODUCT.
WE'RE WILLING TO CONTINUE TO LISTEN, BUT UH, TO GET THIS FAR AND GET THAT RESULT IS EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU INDULGING ME IN THAT.
I KNOW STAFF'S GONNA BE UPSET WITH ME NOW.
I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR THE REPORT, UH, UH, ORALLY, BUT, UM, IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL.
AND FRANKLY, I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE BEEN COMING HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
THIS IS THE BEST COMMISSION THAT I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
IT IS WHEN YOU DISAGREE, IT'S IN A FRIENDLY MANNER.
UH, I ALWAYS FELT LIKE IN PREVIOUS, UH, ITERATIONS OF THIS COMMISSION, PEOPLE CAME AND LOOKED AT US WHEN WE CAME IN HERE, THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LOOK AT US AND SAY, WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE? WHY ARE YOU BOTHERING US WITH THIS? YOU DON'T GIVE ME THAT IMPRESSION AT ALL.
YOU WERE EARNEST IN YOUR REMARKS.
YOU ARE, UH, COURTEOUS AND YOU ARE REASONED AND UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M APPEALING TO THIS EVENING.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE SWITCH OVER TO A STAFF PRESENTATION? OKAY, MS. HOLTON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, MADAM CHAIR.
WHILE THEY'RE GETTING TOGETHER THE, THE PRESENTATION MATERIALS ON THE MERITS OF THE, UM, PROPOSAL, I THINK I I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS A FEW OF THE POINTS MADE ABOUT PROCESS IN MR. UNDERHILL'S PRESENTATION, CERTAINLY MR. FOX.
SO, UH, JUST TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE CLEAR FOR THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS FOR ANYBODY WHO IS WATCHING, UM, THE CONCEPT PLAN STAGE OF THE P U D PROCESS IS HERE TO GET, YOU KNOW, PLANNING COMMISSION FEEDBACK BASED ON WHAT'S PUT IN FRONT OF YOU.
BUT IT IS VERY CLEAR AND EXPLICITLY STATED IN DUBLIN'S CODE THAT, YOU KNOW, NO DISCUSSIONS IN THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ARE BINDING ON EITHER THE APPLICANT OR THE COMMISSION OR SHOULD BE TAKEN AS A INDICATOR OF SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.
SO WHILE CONCEPT PLAN, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING AND THEN FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OCCURS SEQUENTIALLY, UM, THE FIRST CHANCE TO GET A REAL BINDING ANSWER FROM THE COMMISSION ON A PARTICULAR PLAN IS THAT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING STAGE IN THIS, IN THE CASE OF THIS APPLICATION, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE, THE TIMELINE THAT WAS PRESENTED, THIS WAS LAST FOR A, UM,
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A, A CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW IN AUGUST OF 22.THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, AS AS THE APPLICANT STATED WERE, UH, THEY WERE MADE AWARE OF THEM IN DECEMBER OF 2022 THAT FOLLOWED A PUBLIC PROCESS UNTIL THEY WERE FINALLY ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.
UM, SO THAT, THAT THAT INTERIM PERIOD, UM, WAS A TIME WHEN ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC OR COMMUNITY COULD COME AND PRESENT, UH, COMMENTARY ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN DESIGN GUIDELINES EITHER IN THEIR SUBSTANCE OR IN WHETHER THEY'RE A GOOD IDEA OR A BAD IDEA OR NOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE POINT ABOUT VAGUENESS OR, OR, UM, BEING LEFT TO GUESS ABOUT WHAT IS PERMITTED IN A P U D, UM, THE WHOLE POINT OF A P U D IS TO CREATE A ZONING CODE FOR A PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
SO IF ANYTHING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE THERE AND WERE PUT IN PLACE PRIOR TO THIS APPLICATION BEING FILED, UH, TO PROVIDE MORE OF A FRAMEWORK FOR APPLICANTS TO WORK WITH.
UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE NOT LEFT TO GUESS, THEY'RE LEFT TO MAKE A CASE TO THE COMMISSION AS TO WHY A PARTICULAR REZONING SHOULD BE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO MAKE THAT CASE TO COUNSEL AS TO WHY THEY SHOULD GRANT IT.
SO I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THOSE PROCESS POINTS, UM, BEFORE GETTING INTO THE, THE ACTUAL SUBSTANCE OF THE APPLICATION, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE WHATEVER FEEDBACK YOU NEED TO ON THAT TO THE APPLICANT KNOWING WHERE WE STAND IN THIS PROCESS.
MS. HOLTA, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND THANK YOU MR. BOGGS.
UH, TO START OUT WITH, WE HAVE SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS, PHOTOS, AND BOTH OF THESE ARE TAKEN FROM COSS GRAY ROAD, THE LEFT SHOWS FACING NORTHEAST AND THE RIGHT SHOWS FACING EAST AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SITE IS CURRENTLY FARMLAND.
AS, UM, BEFORE I GET INTO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS MAP, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THIS DISCRETIONARY REZONING PROCESS.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, STAFF IN THE COMMISSION ALWAYS RECOMMEND A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
WE HAD A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD INTEREST AT THE VARIOUS CONCEPT PLANS.
SO THIS RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE AND HAS NOT OCCURRED TO STAFF'S KNOWLEDGE.
SO WE'RE GONNA START BY LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ON THIS 105 ACRE SITE.
THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT TREE STANDS AND ROWS AS SHOWN HERE.
THERE ARE TWO LANDMARK TREES SHOWN HERE AND WETLANDS ON THE SITE ARE LOCATED APPROXIMATELY HERE.
THIS IS THE GENERAL SITE AREA SUPERIMPOSED ON THE SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN AVERY WEST DETAIL.
IT SHOWS THE OLD ALIGNMENT OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD AND AT THE LAST CONCEPT PLAN HEARING THE COMMISSION AGREED THAT SOME OF THESE IDEAS WERE NOT APPLICABLE AND OTHERS ARE, AND THAT'S DUE TO THE AGE OF THE DOCUMENT AND CHANGING CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO SOME IMPORTANT ITEMS TO POINT OUT HERE.
UH, THE RED AREA IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER IS INTENDED TO BE A GATEWAY AND A MIXED USE AREA FOR THE VILLAGE OF AMLIN.
SOME COMMISSIONERS SUPPORTED THIS CONCEPT.
THE RAILROAD AND TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD BUFFERS WERE ACCEPTABLE TO REDUCE BASED ON COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
THE LIGHT GREEN AREA ORIGINALLY, UH, SHOWN FOR LOW DENSITY AT THE SOUTH END ACCORDING TO THE COMMISSION, WAS ACCEPTABLE TO INCREASE IN DENSITY.
YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS, UM, GRAPHIC FROM AUGUST OF 22 AND THIS IS THE PREFERRED ALIGNMENT FOR TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD THROUGH THIS SITE.
UH, SUPERIMPOSED ARE THE GENERAL SHARED USE PATH ROUTES IN THE BLUE DASHES.
THE EAST SIDE IS MEANT TO CONNECT THE NORTH SOUTH
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PROPERTY LINES ALONG THE RAILROAD AND THE WEST SIDE IS MEANT TO TRAVEL THE LENGTH OF COSS GRAY AND INCOMPLETE TRAFFIC, UH, T I S WAS UM, PROVIDED SO STAFF WAS UNABLE TO REVIEW TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.NEXT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN THE REPORT.
UH, WE JUST EXAMINED THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITY PLAN AND ITS VISION FOR THE SITE AND THESE PRINCIPLES ARE MEANT TO BE ADDITIONAL HIGH LEVEL VISION AS WE UPDATE THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, YOU'LL SEE CRITERIA MET IN GREEN, NOT MET IN RED, YELLOW INDICATES WHERE MORE WORK IS NEEDED.
NOW LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY SEEN CONCEPT PLAN VERSUS TONIGHT'S REQUEST.
AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT SOME IMPORTANT DIFFERENCES.
THE ACREAGE IN THE CENTER IS NOW ADDED BACK IN WETLANDS ARE INDEED CONFIRMED ALONG THE RAILROAD ON THE EAST SIDE.
THE SETBACKS ALONG COS GRAY HAVE BEEN REDUCED.
THE NUMBER OF HOMES HAVE BEEN LESSENED FROM 425 TO 371.
THE NUMBER OF GREENS AND OPEN SPACE QUALITY AND SIZE HAS BEEN REDUCED.
THE EAST SIDE TRAIL CONNECTIVITY IS NOT NOW PER THE BIKEWAY PLAN AND MOST STORM BASINS ARE NOW DRY.
UM, SEVEN ARE DRY BASINS TWO ARE WET AS SHOWN IN THE BLUE.
TAKING A LOOK AT THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, AGAIN, WE HAVE 371 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS WITH FOUR DIFFERENT LOT TYPES INCLUDING BOTH ATTACHED AND DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS.
THERE ARE FIVE SUB AREAS PROPOSED.
UH, A IS IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND FEATURES AND ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY.
UH, RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT B IS IN THE NORTH CENTRAL AREA WITH A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
PRODUCT C IS THE OPEN SPACE AND TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD D IS IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
UH, IT'S A DETACHED EMPTY NESTER.
PRODUCT E IS IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER AND FEATURES ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOMES WITH THREE TO SIX UNITS PER BUILDING.
TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD IS SHOWN PER THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THE LATEST STUDY BIKE LANES WILL BE PROVIDED AND SHARED USE PATHS ARE IN YELLOW COSS GRAY ROAD WOULD BE WIDENED ALONG THE SOUTH PORTION AND A SHARED USE PATH PROVIDED AS SHOWN AND AN ADDITIONAL ROAD CONNECTION TO THE NORTH HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED AS REQUESTED.
TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL SUB AREA AREA A IS APPROXIMATELY 18 ACRES WITH 90 ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT A DENSITY OF FIVE DU PER ACRE.
AS PREVIOUSLY POINTED OUT, THE SETBACK ALONG COSS GRAY HAS BEEN DIMINISHED IN THE NORTHERN HALF.
UH, STAFF PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED TWO ROAD CONNECTIONS TO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND ONE IS PROVIDED.
DRY BASINS ARE PROPOSED ALONG COSS GRAY AND THESE DO NOT ALLOW FOR THE ANTICIPATED BI AND LANDSCAPING, THUS NOT ALLOWING THE INTENDED ROAD CHARACTER TO BE ACHIEVED.
HALF A TREE ROW IS REMOVED IN THIS LOCATION.
WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT A CONCERN THAT THE PROPOSED SERVICE STREETS MAY NOT PROVIDE THE STREET CHARACTER SOUGHT BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
DESIGNED GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY WITH UM, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE FRONT DOOR PROVISION OF STREET TREES, NARROWER SETBACKS AT ENTRIES TO CONTAIN VIEWS AND THE PROVISION OF CHARACTER MAKING ELEMENTS.
FINALLY, THE SERVICE STREET CROSS SECTIONS ARE NOT AS DISCUSSED
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AND AGREED TO WITH THE APPLICANT.AND THE 90 DEGREE PARKING IS NOT PERMITTED ON PUBLIC ROADS.
SUB AREA B IS APPROXIMATELY 20 AND A HALF ACRES.
IT FEATURES 58 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT 2.81 DS PER ACRE.
STAFF IS CONCERNED HERE THAT WETLANDS ENCROACH UPON INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND THE CUL-DE-SAC ONE LOT IS HALF WITHIN THE ALREADY REDUCED RAILROAD SETBACK.
TREES ARE NOT PROTECTED ON THE SOUTH EDGE, AND HALF A TREE ROW IS REMOVED AND GARAGES ARE NOT MITIGATED ON THE ELEVATIONS SUB AREA C IS FOR OPEN SPACE AND TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD.
A FUNDAMENTAL CONCERN HERE IS THAT OPEN SPACE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT IS NOT IN A SEPARATE PLANNING AREA.
DOING THAT WOULD DESCRIBE THE PERMITTED USES, THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES AND ENSURE PROTECTION FOR ALL OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE PROJECT.
IT WOULD ALSO DESCRIBE THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED IN OPEN SPACE.
ALSO BY INCLUDING THE FUTURE BOULEVARD AS PART OF OPEN SPACE THAT GIVES ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS PERHAPS THE WRONG IMPRESSION ABOUT FUTURE IMPACTS THE ROAD, THE SHARED USE PATHS, THOSE EASEMENTS AND SLOPE EASEMENTS SHOULD BE A SEPARATE PLANNING AREA AS WELL.
THE LARGE DRY BASIN NORTH OF TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD IS SHOWN HERE.
IT'S CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF THE TREES, WHICH COULD IMPACT ROOTS AND DRIP LINES.
POSSIBLY IT WILL LOOK UNNATURAL WITH THE WOODS PERCHED ON TOP OF THE BASIN.
AND WE SEE ANOTHER DRY BASIN ALONG THE INTERNAL NORTH SOUTH ROAD SUB AREA D IS SLIGHTLY OVER 12 AND A HALF ACRES.
IT INCLUDES 43 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL EMPTY NESTER PRODUCTS, UH, AT 3.39 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THIS DRY BASIN SHOWN HERE, WHICH IS OVER A THOUSAND FEET LONG WRAPS BOTH COSS GRAY ROAD AND TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD.
AGAIN, THIS DOES NOT PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LANDSCAPING OR BI AS ANTICIPATED.
THE HOMES PERCHED ON TOP OF THE BASIN DOES NOT ALLOW PROPER RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN BUILDINGS AND THE LAND.
PER THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN CRITERIA.
SOME LOTS INFRINGE UPON THE DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT DURING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT DISCUSSION.
THE WET BASIN IN THE CENTER ISN'T PROGRAMMED TO ALLOW IT TO COUNT TOWARDS OPEN SPACE AND THE 90 DEGREE PARKING, AGAIN, IS NOT PERMITTED ON PUBLIC ROADS.
UH, THE EXTRA PARKING SHOWN ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT IS, UM, PROVIDED WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT NEED AND IT COULD POTENTIALLY NEGATIVELY IMPACTS STORMWATER STREET CHARACTER AND PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AVAILABILITY.
SUB AREA E IS SLIGHTLY UNDER 28 AND A HALF ACRES AND IT HAS 180 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS AT 6.33 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
EACH BUILDING CONTAINS THREE TO SIX UNITS.
THE MAJOR CONCERNS HERE INCLUDE THE TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD DRY BASIN WITH THE SAME DESIGN IMPACTS THAT WE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY.
THIS IS THE MOST DENSE AREA AND IT HAS THE LEAST OPEN SPACE OPPORTUNITIES.
THERE IS A DRY BASIN CENTRAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO HOMES.
THERE ARE SIGN SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS WITH GARAGE IMPACTS TO STREET CHARACTER.
THOSE HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE APPLICANT AND WE FIND THAT THE ELEVATIONS DON'T MATCH THE LAYOUTS DEPICTED.
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THERE ARE SOME TRANSPORTATION CONCERNS, INCLUDING THE THROAT BETWEEN TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD AND THE PARALLEL ENTRY ROAD IS TOO SHORT.THERE IS NOT A CONTINUOUS CONNECTION FROM COLUMBUS TO TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD PROVIDED AS PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED.
AND THE WET BASIN ALONG THE RAILROAD ISN'T DESIGNED IN A WAY TO ALLOW IT TO COUNT TOWARDS OPEN SPACE.
PER THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES DIRECTION, STAFF DETERMINE THAT THIS SITE IS APPROPRIATE FOR A CONSERVATION DESIGN RESOLUTION.
THE COMMISSION IS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED TO CONCUR WITH THIS FINDING IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
KEY TENETS OF THAT A APPLY AND ARE LISTED HERE AND IN THE STAFF REPORT ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IS THE EDGE OF DUBLIN AND THE AVOIDANCE OF THE APPEARANCE OF CONTINUOUS DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN CITIES.
ALSO IMPORTANT IS PROTECTION OF THE RURAL CHARACTER IN OUTLYING AREAS AND PRESERVATION OF NATURAL FEATURES AND OPEN SPACE AS DESCRIBED IN THE REPORT, THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONSERVATION DESIGN RESOLUTION.
THE REPORT DESCRIBES HOW THESE ARE MET OR NOT MET, AND HERE THEY'RE BOILED DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND COLOR CODED AGAIN.
UM, OF IMPORTANT NOTE IS WE HAVE LESS THAN 50% OPEN SPACE, LESS THAN 75% OF THE LOTS ADJACENT TO THE OPEN SPACE.
THE SETBACKS ALONG COS GRAY ROAD HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED.
NO INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED ON PROGRAMMING OF OPEN SPACES.
THE OPEN SPACES ARE GENERALLY LESS THAN THE REQUIRED SIZE MINIMUMS AND DON'T MEET THE THE RATIOS PROVIDED.
NO GATEWAY INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED EITHER FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF OR FOR THE VILLAGE OF AMLIN.
SPECIAL CORRIDOR BUFFERING IS INADEQUATE DUE TO THE DRY BASINS AND THE MASTER BIKEWAY PLAN IS NOT MET.
HONING IN ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINE ELEMENTS.
THE FIRST STEP OF THAT PROCESS IS TO CREATE AN OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK PLAN, AND THIS IS MEANT TO SHOW DEVELOPABLE VERSUS UNDEVELOPABLE SPACE AND IT'S KEY TO START WITH THE EXISTING NATURAL FEATURES PRIOR TO DETERMINING THE DEVELOPABLE AREAS.
ONE OF STAFF'S BIGGEST CONCERNS HERE IS THAT THIS EXHIBIT SIMPLY MIRRORS THE SITE PLAN PATTERN.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY STARTED WITH THE SITE PLAN AND THEN BACKFILL THE ENVIRONMENTAL INFORMATION.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE SEE MISSING TWO HALVES OF THE TREE ROWS AND THEN THE CUL-DE-SAC IS IN THE WETLANDS.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER ASPECTS OF THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE MISSING AS DESCRIBED IN THE REPORT, BUT TO SUMMARIZE, COMMUNITY THEME AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT SERVICE STREET CHARACTER STORMWATER BASINS IS ACTIVE, SUPERIOR INTEGRATED COMMUNITY FEATURES MITIGATION OF GARAGE DOORS, AVOIDANCE OF LOT AND PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AND ENCROACHMENT AND EASEMENTS AND LOT LAYOUTS TO ENSURE ADEQUATE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
THE NEXT TWO SLIDES WILL SHOW THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING CRITERIA FROM CODE SECTION 1 53 0.055.
A STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT MOST CRITERIA ARE NOT MET.
AND TO SUMMARIZE, NUMBER ONE IS FOUND TO BE LACKING IN RESPECT FOR NATURAL FEATURES, PROPER RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN BUILDINGS AND THE LAND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND RESPONSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
NUMBER TWO, THE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES ARE NOT MET.
THE BIKEWAY PLAN IS NOT ADDRESSED.
KEY CONSERVATION DESIGN RESOLUTION CRITERIA ARE MISSING AS WITH NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINE ELEMENTS AND THE MIXED USE GATEWAY COMPONENT IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROJECT SITE IS ALSO MISSING.
FOR NUMBER THREE, WE FIND THAT THE T I S IS INCOMPLETE, THEREFORE DOESN'T DETERMINE
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IMPACTS AND MITIGATION FOR THE PROJECT.FOUR IS MET BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL IS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLANS AND VISION DENSITY.
THE UH, CONSERVATION DESIGN RESOLUTION CRITERIA ARE NOT MET AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES CRITERIA ARE NOT MET, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DRY BASINS.
UH, THE SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACE BETWEEN COLUMBUS AND DUBLIN HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED AND WE FIND THAT NUMEROUS LOTS ENCROACH ON OPEN SPACE AND BUFFER AREAS.
FOR NUMBER SIX, HALF OF EACH OF THE TWO TREE ROWS ARE REMOVED.
THE TREE STAND ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBOR IS NOT PROTECTED AND A REDUCTION OF TREE REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS IS REQUESTED BUT HAS NOT BEEN EARNED.
NUMBER SEVEN, A REQUESTED ADDITIONAL ROAD STUB TO THE NORTH HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED AND UTILITY AND STORMWATER INFORMATION IS NOT COMPLETE.
NUMBER EIGHT, A CONTINUOUS ROAD FROM COLUMBUS TO TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN REQUESTED AND NOT PROVIDED 90 DEGREE PARKING ON SERVICE STREETS IS NOT PERMITTED.
THE EASTERN, UH, SHARED USE PATH IS NOT PER THE BIKEWAY PLAN.
THE COSS GRAY SHARED USE, UH, SHARED USE PATH IS SHOWN DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE ROAD.
MOVING ON WITH NUMBER NINE, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE BETTER DESIGN COORDINATION BETWEEN THIS PROJECT AND THE VILLAGE OF AMLIN, INCLUDING SOME KIND OF GATEWAY AND MIXED USE COMPONENT.
THE USE OF DRY BASINS DOESN'T MAINTAIN DUBLIN STREET SCAPE IMAGE AND THE PREDOMINANCE OF GARAGE DOORS IN PARTICULAR SUB AREAS IS A LARGE CONCERN.
ITEM 10 LOT TYPES AND BLOCK LAYOUTS DON'T DEMONSTRATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN.
LI UH, GUIDELINES GOALS, ADEQUATE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE IS NOT DEMONSTRATED.
THE CHARACTER OF THE SERVICE STREETS IS NOT DEMONSTRATED.
THERE IS ENCROACHMENT OF YARDS AND PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AND EASEMENTS AND COMMUNITY OPEN SPACE IN NUMEROUS LOCATIONS.
NUMBER 11, THE STORMWATER INFORMATION IS FOUND TO BE INADEQUATE TO EVALUATE.
NUMBER 12, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED DEVIATION FROM THE TREE REPLACEMENT CRITERIA AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT WARRANTED THROUGH ANY KIND OF MITIGATING DESIGN.
NUMBER 13, SUB AREAS E AND F ARE NOT OF THE EXPECTED QUALITY PER THE REPORT AND ALL SUB AREAS REFER TO THE RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE STANDARDS, WHICH NO LONGER APPLY TO PUDS.
NUMBER 14 IS NOT APPLICABLE AS NO PHASING INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED.
NUMBER 15, THIS PROJECT DRIVES NECESSARY PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND NO INFORMATION IS PROVIDED ON THE EXISTING WATER SYSTEM TO THE SOUTH AND HOW THAT WILL CONNECT ALONG COSS GRAY.
FINALLY, UH, NUMBER 16, THE T I S IS INCOMPLETE, SO THIS ANALYSIS COULD NOT BE MADE.
SO WITH ALL OF THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DISAPPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON 11 FINDINGS SHOWN HERE AND IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND I WILL JUST SUMMARIZE BRIEFLY, UH, NUMBER ONE, THERE IS A LACK OF, UH, AMLIN GATEWAY FEATURE AND A LACK OF THE MIXED USE VILLAGE CENTER IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
NUMBER TWO, HERE WE ARE REQUESTING THE COMMISSION'S CONCURRENCE TO USE THE CONSERVATION DESIGN RESOLUTION APPROACH FOR THE PROJECT.
AND WE NOTE THAT THE PROJECT DOESN'T MEET THE CONSERVATION DESIGN RESOLUTION NOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES REGARDING OPEN SPACE QUANTITY AND QUALITY.
NUMBER THREE, THE OPEN SPACE FRAMEWORK ANALYSIS MIRRORS PREDETERMINED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN RATHER THAN DEMONSTRATING HOW NATURAL FEATURES WERE GIVEN.
PRIORITY NUMBER FOUR, THE NUMEROUS FUNDAMENTAL SECTIONS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE NOT MET, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO COMMUNITY THEME, STREET SCAPE HIERARCHY AND GARAGE DOOR MITIGATION.
NUMBER FIVE, THE T I S IS INCOMPLETE AND PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED, ROAD CONNECTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDED.
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NUMBER SIX, THE NUMBER OF DRY BASINS IS NOT SUPPORTED BASED ON DESIGN, MAINTENANCE AND AESTHETICS.NUMBER SEVEN, UTILITY INFORMATION IS NOT COMPLETE AND THE WATER MAIN EXTENSION NEEDS TO BE FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF COS.
NUMBER EIGHT, SETBACKS ALONG COSS GRAY ROAD HAVE SHRUNK SINCE THE LAST CONCEPT PLAN AND WHEN COMBINED WITH THE DRY BASINS BUFFERING TO HOMES IS INADEQUATE.
THE SAME CONDITION APPLIES ALONG TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD.
NUMBER NINE, THE SHARED USE PATH NETWORK IS NOT PER THE BIKEWAY PLAN ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE COSS GRAY ROAD PATH HAS DIMINISHED IN QUALITY SINCE CONCEPT PLAN.
NUMBER 10, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS INADEQUATE IN A NUMBER OF AREAS INCLUDING OPEN SPACE, VARIOUS OMISSIONS AND INCLUSIONS UNVIABLE PROVISIONS, INCLUDING THE USE OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ON SUCH SMALL LOTS AND NOT MEETING THE VISION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND FINALLY, NUMBER 11, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT CONDUCTED A PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING.
TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS THE START OF CREATING INDIVIDUAL LOTS ROAD RIGHTS OF WAY EASEMENTS AND OTHER TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS.
AND IT'S THE NEXT LEVEL OF DETAIL BEYOND REZONING AND THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE SEE HERE THAT THE ACREAGE AND THE NUMBER OF OF DWELLING UNITS REMAINS THE SAME.
THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 50 OPEN SPACE AREAS PROPOSED WITHIN THE PROJECT FOR A TOTAL OF 51.2 ACRES.
THE ACREAGE VARIES BETWEEN THE PLAT AND THE P D P DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
THESE RANGE IN SIZE FROM 2,560 SQUARE FEET TO OVER 205,000 SQUARE FEET AND INCLUDES ALL STORMWATER BASINS AND THE 25 FOOT REQUIRED PERIMETER BUFFERS.
MANY HAVE BEEN DETERMINED TO BE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR COUNTING TOWARDS OPEN SPACE AS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED.
THIS ALSO INCLUDES THE TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD RIGHT OF WAY AND WE'VE NOTED PREVIOUS CONCERNS WITH THIS APPROACH FOR CLARITY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC DISCIPLINARY AREAS OF CONCERN FOR THE PLATT AND THEN I'M GONNA WRAP THIS UP WITH A GRAPHIC, UM, ACTUALLY SHOWING THESE AREAS ON THE PLATT.
SO REGARDING TRANSPORTATION ISSUES AND RIGHTS OF WAY, THERE ARE SOME FUNDAMENTAL CONCERNS HERE.
VARIOUS CURVE AND TURN RADII ARE NOT MET.
UH, THE REQUIRED AUTO TURN EXHIBIT HASN'T BEEN PROVIDED.
THE 90 DEGREE PARKING ON PUBLIC ROADS IS NOT PERMITTED AS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED.
AND AGAIN, WE WE NEED SEPARATE DEDICATION FOR TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD AND COS GRAY RIGHT OF WAY.
REGARDING SIDEWALKS AND SHARED USE PATHS.
THERE ARE AGAIN, FUNDAMENTAL CONCERNS.
WE'VE SEEN HOW THE BIKEWAY PLAN IS NOT MET.
THE SHARED USE PATHS NEED SEPARATE EASEMENTS, AS DO THE SIDEWALKS AND MAINTENANCE OF THESE FACILITIES SHOULD BE DESCRIBED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AS REQUIRED.
THE SAME ISSUE APPLIES TO UTILITIES.
SANITARY AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT NEED GREATER DETAIL IN ORDER TO ANALYZE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE AESTHETIC AND THE OPEN SPACE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE DRY PONDS.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE WATER MAIN NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE PROJECT ALONG COSS GRAY ROAD.
DURING THE P D P PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION, WE TALKED IN DETAIL ABOUT HOW THE CONSERVATION DESIGN RESOLUTION HAS NOT BEEN MET, AND WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE BROADER PRINCIPLES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES NOT BEING MET.
THE PRELIMINARY PLATT IS MORE SPECIFIC AND GETS MORE DOWN TO INDIVIDUAL LOCKS.
SO, UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE EXPECTATIONS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.
SOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL LOT AND BLOCK LAYOUTS ARE MISSING AND ALL DETAIL IS MISSING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE LOTS WOULD FUNCTION, ESPECIALLY REGARDING THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
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NUMEROUS LOTS ENCROACH INTO VARIOUS SETBACKS.AND AGAIN, I'LL SHOW THAT NEXT SLIDE.
THE WAY FINDING ELEMENTS OR GATEWAY ELEMENTS ARE NOT PROVIDED OR SUPPORTED WITH EASEMENTS, WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THOSE KINDS OF EASEMENT SHOW UP ON THIS PRELIMINARY PLOT.
LIKEWISE, MAILBOX LOCATIONS AND THEIR EASEMENTS ARE NOT PROVIDED AND THIS IS A GREAT PLACEMAKING OPPORTUNITY THAT SEEMS TO BE MISSED IN THE AREA OF TREE PRESERVATION.
THOSE TREES ON THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE, UM, PREVIOUSLY POINTED OUT ARE NOT WITHIN AN EASEMENT AND SHOULD BE, UH, MANY OF THE PROPOSED UTILITY EASEMENTS WILL NEGATIVELY AFFECT EITHER EXISTING ROOTS OR DRIP LINES OR HINDER TREES FROM BEING PLANTED IN THOSE OPEN SPACES.
SO TAKING A CLOSER LOOK, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA LOOK FIRST AT THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE 90 DEGREE PARKING RELATIVE TO THE THE PLATT.
THIS IS SHOWN PARTIALLY OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT NOT WITHIN AN EASEMENT.
SO IN SOME INSTANCES MAY ACTUALLY BE PART OF THE OPEN SPACE.
THIS IS WHERE WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE OPEN SPACE IS A SEPARATE PLANNING AREA BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT.
IT'S UNCLEAR WHO MAINTAINS THIS OR HOW THESE BOXES INDICATE LOTS WITHOUT ACCESS TO PUBLIC ROADS.
UM, IT'S NOT CLEAR IN THESE HOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING ACCESS.
UM, EASEMENTS WITHIN OPEN SPACE AREAS MAY PREVENT TREES OR IMPACT EXISTING TREES IN THESE LOCATIONS.
EASEMENTS AT REAR YARDS WILL PREVENT PRIVATE OPEN SPACE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE WETLANDS AND WE'VE ALSO MENTIONED THE, UM, ENCROACHMENT ON THE ALREADY REDUCED RAILROAD SETBACK IN THIS LOCATION.
LOOKING MORE CLOSELY AT THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, NO AGAIN, NO PRO PROVISION OF A SEPARATE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY OR EASEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OVERPASS HAS BEEN PROVIDED THESE LOTS ENCROACH INTO THE REQUIRED BUFFER AREA.
THESE LOTS ENCROACH INTO THE OPEN SPACE.
THIS LOT IS WITHOUT ACCESS TO A PUBLIC ROAD.
THESE PROPOSED ROADS DON'T LINE UP WITH THE EXISTING ROADS TO THE SOUTH.
THE REQUESTED DIRECT CONNECTION FROM COLUMBUS TO TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD IS NOT PROVIDED.
AND AS WE'VE SEEN PREVIOUSLY, MANY UTILITY EASEMENTS WILL PREVENT TREES FROM BEING PLANTED IN THE OPEN SPACE AREAS PER SECTION 1 52 OF THE GENERAL CODE.
THESE ARE THE APPROVAL CRITERIA FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT STAFF NOTES THAT NONE OF THESE ARE MET.
AND TO SUMMARIZE, THE MINIMUM OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT MET AS SEEN IN THE REZONING AND P D P REQUEST LOT AND SETBACK AND LOT AND EASEMENT CONFLICTS ARE PRESENT.
OPEN SPACE OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE IS NOT DESCRIBED AND FIRE DISTRICT COMMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
NUMBER TWO, THE T I SS IS INCOMPLETE.
THE, UM, ADDITIONAL STREET STUB TO THE NORTH HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED.
THE NORTH SOUTH DIRECT CONNECTION FROM COLUMBUS TO TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD, UH, HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED.
THE SHARED USE PATH ON THE EAST SIDE IS NOT PER THE BIKEWAY PLAN AND ADEQUATE SPACE FOR THE COSS GRAY SHARED USE PATH IS NOT PROVIDED.
AND FINALLY, NUMBER THREE, THE DRY BASE AND APPROACH DOESN'T MEET THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THERE'S INADEQUATE PROVISION OF STORMWATER AND UTILITY INFORMATION.
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THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DISAPPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS.NUMBER ONE, IF THE REZONING AND P D P IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, THIS REQUEST IS SOMEWHAT MOOT, ALTHOUGH MAYBE OVERRIDDEN BY CITY COUNCIL.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
NUMBER TWO, THE LOT AND SETBACK AND LOT AND EASEMENT CONFLICTS EXIST IN NUMEROUS LOCATIONS AND NO INFORMATION IS PROVIDED ON HOW THESE LOTS COULD REALISTICALLY FUNCTION.
NUMBER THREE, REQUESTED STREET CONNECTIONS ARE NOT PROVIDED AND THE SHARED USE PATH, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE BIKEWAY PLAN.
NUMBER FOUR, STORMWATER OWNER OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT IS NOT DESCRIBED AS REQUIRED AND ALSO DOESN'T MEET THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND NUMBER FIVE, CRITICAL WATER AND SANITARY SEWER INFORMATION IS NOT PROVIDED AND THE WATERLINE EXTENSION ALONG COSS GRAY ROAD IS NOT PROVIDED.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AT THIS TIME WE WILL DO, UH, QUESTIONS FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND FOR STAFF.
SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, MR. SCHNEER, FOR THE APPLICANT.
ONE, PERHAPS EASIER THAN THE OTHER.
UM, IN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TEXT, THERE'S SEVERAL INDICATIONS OF EXTERIOR MATERIALS INCLUDING URETHANE FOAM, UH, VINYL, UM, UH, WHAT ELSE IS IN HERE, STUCCO, ET CETERA.
BUT IN THE PROPOSED MATERIALS IN THE BOOK, I DON'T SEE ANY REFERENCE TO THOSE.
AM AM I MISSING SOMETHING? I MEAN, YOU GOOD EVENING, GREG ELLO.
GREG ELLO, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND LAND LAND PLANNER WITH THE EDGE GROUP THREE 30 WEST SPRING STREET, SUITE THREE 50, COLUMBUS, OHIO 4 3 2 1 5.
UM, SIMPLY PUT, WHAT WE THINK THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT IS DOING IS GIVING US A PALLET OF MATERIALS, WHEREAS OUR CONCEPTUAL MATERIALS THAT WE'RE SHOWING FOR THE BUILDING ARE SIMPLY THOSE THAT ARE CHOSEN FROM THAT PALLET AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
AND THAT THAT'S WHAT BEING IS BEING CONSIDERED AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR THOSE, UM, NOT PROHIBITING THE USE OF ANY OF THOSE OTHER MATERIALS IN, IN THE FUTURE ON OTHER PRODUCTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, MR. UNDERHILL, I'M GONNA RESERVE AND COMMENT ON YOUR COMMENTS, UM, IN OUR DISCUSSION, BUT FOR PURPOSES OF, OF CLARIFICATION, YOU SPOKE A LOT TO THE PROCESS, UM, BUT NOT TO THE SUBSTANCE.
AND IT WOULD APPEAR THAT MANY OF THE STAFF'S COMMENTS ARE BINARY, OBJECTIVE, WHATEVER.
SO IS IT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT SAYING, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT OF THE POSITION THAT'S SAYING, OKAY, IF THE IF THE TARGET DOESN'T MOVE ANYMORE, WE CAN ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS.
YOU'RE SAYING, I'M SORRY, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.
SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING RELATIVE TO THIS? WELL, TO THE STAFF SPECIFICS, I GUESS THE, AN THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING ME IS WHY THIS PLAN? UM, AND, AND I THINK THERE'S A SIMPLE, SIMPLE ANSWER FOR THAT.
UM, I, IT'S A, IT'S A MATH PROBLEM
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE CONSIDER ALL OF THE, WHEN OF THE, UH, THE, THE, I'LL SAY DIRECTIVES FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE LARGE SETBACKS TO PRESERVE ALL THE TREES, TO PRESERVE ALL OF THE WETLANDS TO STAY OUT OF THE EASEMENTS.
UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ARE SOME OF SOME OF THE OTHER HERE? UH, TREE PRESERVATION, WETLAND PRESERVATION, THE RAILROAD SETBACK, TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD RIGHT OF WAY.
TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD SETBACKS AT 200 FEET.
COSS GRAY ROAD SETBACKS AT 200 FEET STORMWATER WET PONDS.
WHEN WE CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE ON 105 ACRES SITE, WHAT WE'RE LEFT WITH, IF WE RESPECTED ALL OF THOSE, IS 35 ACRES TO DEVELOP ON.
SO LET'S, LET'S DO A LITTLE MATH AT THE LOW END OF THE RECOMMENDED DENSITY AT THREE TO THE ACRE, THAT WOULD GIVE US 315 UNITS ON THE SITE.
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BUT WHAT DOES 315 UNITS LOOK LIKE ON 35 ACRES? IT'S NINE AND A HALF DUS TO THE ACRE, AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S ALL TOWN HOMES.LET'S USE THE, LET'S USE THE HIGH END OF THE RECOMMENDED DENSITY FOR THE SITE FIVE D USE TO THE ACRE.
THAT'S 525 UNITS ON 35 ACRES OF DEVELOPABLE GROUND.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? IT MEANS A FOUR RENT PRODUCT, PROBABLY APARTMENTS, TWO TO THREE STORIES TO GET THAT, TO GET THAT YIELD.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN CONSTANTLY BRINGING FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN IS A REQUEST FOR 20 ADDITIONAL DEVELOPABLE ACRES, THE IMPACTS TO WETLANDS.
WERE STILL WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF A, A NATIONWIDE PERMIT.
WE'RE UNDER HALF AN ACRE OF, OF IMPACTS.
WE, AS THE PLANNERS HAVE MADE, DECIS HAVE MADE, UH, DECISIONS ON WHAT WE COULD SACRIFICE.
TREES, CAN WE SAVE ALL THE TREES ON THE SITE? WE CAN, BUT IT GOES BACK TO THOSE TWO OTHER OPTIONS THAT I PRESENTED TO YOU.
SO USING THOSE, THOSE MATH PROBLEMS, WHAT WE THINK THAT YIELDS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT.
YOU TOLD US YOU WANT SOMETHING UNIQUE, YOU WANT DIVERSE PRODUCTS, YOU WANT A VILLAGE SCALE.
AND WHAT OUR PLAN IS BRINGING FORWARD TO YOU AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO PRESENT TO YOU IS WE NEED SOME RELIEF FROM THESE OTHER IMPACTS OF THE SITE, THE LARGE SETBACKS.
WE NEED TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS TO MAKE THIS PLAN BETTER.
UM, WE THINK WE'RE GIVING A LOT, A LOT, A LOT UP ON THE SITE.
UM, EVEN, EVEN, UH, ON OUR DEVELOPABLE AREAS, WE'RE SHOWING IT, IT, IT'S AT 50 ACRES, 50 OUT OF 105 ACRES IS WHAT WE'RE LEFT TO BUILD ON.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE KIND OF COMING FROM.
I, I THINK THAT'S STARTING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AS TO WHY, WHY WE'RE HERE AT THIS POINT.
AND AT SOME POINT IN THE PROCESS, GIVEN STAFF FEEDBACK AND IN OUR WORKING WITH THE STAFF, WE, WE MET WITH STAFF ON ARCHITECTURE.
WE MET WITH STAFF TWO OR THREE TIMES ON PULTE TOWN HOMES.
WE MET WITH STAFF TWO OR THREE TIMES ON SCHOTTENSTEIN TOWN HOMES ON SCHOTTENSTEIN SINGLE FAMILY.
WE WORKED THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT AT SOME POINT WE CAME TO THE REALIZATION THAT NO MATTER WE WEREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO GET STAFF SUPPORT.
HOWEVER, WE THOUGHT WE HAD SOME TRACTION WITH YOU THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, UM, TO TRY TO PRESENT WHY THIS PLAN WORKS AND MAKES SENSE FOR US.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF AARON'S QUESTION IS IF IT DOESN'T JUST TELL US AND WE'LL GO AWAY BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO.
WE DON'T WANNA BRING A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT TO YOU.
WE KNOW WHAT THE, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR THERE AND WE DON'T WANNA BRING A PROJECT THAT'S ALL TOWN HOMES.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY NOT MARKETABLE AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOOD.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE LANDED WITH A DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM THAT WE THINK MAKES SENSE, BALANCES SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN INCORPORATES A LOT OF THE, THE PRINCIPLES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
CAN WE MEET ALL THOSE? NO, WE CAN'T.
THIS IS, THIS IS, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR THAT COMMON GROUND HERE.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR EITHER STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. WE, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD AND THE PROVISION FOR THE OVERPASS AND THE EMBANKMENTS THAT ARE, I GUESS IT COULD BE WALLS THAT TRANSITION DOWN TO THE TOWNHOUSES ON THE SOUTH PART OF THE SITE.
UM, AND MAYBE THIS IS PARTLY A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT IS, UM, THAT ROAD HAS NOT BEEN ENGINEERED YET AND YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE.
SO HOW MUCH, I GUESS IT'S BACK TO THE BUFFERS OF TOTAL CROSSING BOULEVARD.
IT'S MORE ABOUT WHERE'S THE ROOM FOR, UM, AIR FOR DEALING WITH ERROR IN THE FUTURE THAT, UM, THE GETTING THAT ROAD THROUGH IS GONNA BE A REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, EAST WEST CONNECTOR, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
AND, AND, AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS.
AND, AND IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH ROOM LEFT TO ABSORB ANY ERROR.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO ANSWER THAT, BUT IS THERE A COMFORT LEVEL FROM THE CITY THAT THIS PLAN ADDRESSES THAT LEVEL OF WE WERE FUTURE THINKING OR HAVE YOU, OR THAT, THAT CAME UP, UH, A WHILE AGO AND WE WERE GIVEN A, A, A LOCATION FOR TOTAL CROSSING BOULEVARD THAT THE CITY SEE SAID THIS IS THE FINAL
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LOCATION FOR THAT.UM, AND EVEN WITH, WITH THAT GIVEN TO US, WE KNOW IT'S STILL, WE'RE STILL AT A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN LEVEL.
UM, WE, WE HAVE THOUGHT AHEAD AS FAR AS EMBANKMENTS AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE USING CROSSINGS FURTHER SOUTH.
UM, OUR ENGINEER HAS LOOKED AT THAT AND UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN WHAT THAT IS GONNA BE, BUT WE'RE, WE ARE PROBABLY 90% CERTAIN WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE.
AND THE, JUST TO ADD FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
OBVIOUSLY WE'VE UM, UM, MOVED FROM THE VERY CONCEPTUAL ALIGNMENT IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO A MORE PRELIMINARY ALIGNMENT.
IT'S STILL PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING ONLY.
UM, LOTS OF DETAILS TO BE YET TO WORKED OUT, WORKED OUT, UM, IN COLLABORATION WITH THIS APPLICANT.
AND, AND AGAIN, I I DIDN'T GO BACK TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, BUT IT'S, IS THAT A 50 FOOT, UM, SETBACK BETWEEN WHAT THEIR, RIGHT NOW, BETWEEN THEIR STREET, THEIR RESIDENTIAL STREET AND THE IT'S IN HERE SOMEWHERE? I JUST DUNNO WHICH PAGE, SOMEBODY TELL ME THE SETBACK IN A ALONG TUTTLE CROSSING BOULEVARD VARIES, BUT IT GOES DOWN TO 50 FEET.
I JUST, AGAIN, THAT SEEMS TO BE LIKE NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR ERROR.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT'S JUST A, A CONCERN.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, MS. HARDER.
I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, DID THINGS JUST START TO BREAK DOWN THAT, UM, WHEN YOU COULDN'T, UM, DO A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING? I THINK THAT WAS REQUESTED AND GETTING BACK WITH THEM AND JUST TO, UH, UH, IT SEEMED LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS I WOULD HEAR WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LIKE, AH, THAT'S A QUICK CHECK.
UM, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITHOUT THE, THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE GOT, WE NEVER, I NEVER EXPECTED TO GET A VOTE IN ONE MEETING HERE.
AND SO HERE AGAIN, THIS ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN, WE WANT TO GO AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME VARIABLES SOLVED FOR, AND WHEN WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO THIRDS OF THE MAJOR ITEMS THAT WOULD AFFECT THOSE INDIVIDUALS, UM, WORKED OUT AND SORT OF SOLIDIFIED THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO IT.
WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE STILL TOO EARLY.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A MOVING TARGET, AS I SAID, SO WE INTEND TO DO THAT.
BUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE POINT WHEN WE, WE KNEW WE DIDN'T HAVE STAFF.
WE NEED TO COME HERE FIRST AND FIGURE OUT IF, IF WE HAD ANY TRACTION HERE BEFORE WE WENT AND WE DO THAT.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OTHER STAFF? FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
UM, WE WILL TURN SOME TIME OVER FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WAS ANY PRE COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
NO, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY EITHER.
LOOKING TO THE AUDIENCE NOW IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON STATE.
YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
ONE LIVES ON MYRICK, WHICH WILL UP GOES AGAINST WHERE YOU'RE STARTING ONE LIVES ON SPRING RIVER.
UM, I HAD, UM, COMMENT ABOUT MY DAUGHTER ON MYRICK SAID THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH SEWER AND WATER ALREADY.
UH, THERE'S SMELL FROM THE SEWER.
SO IF THE TUTTLE CROSSING WILL HANDLE WITH THE NEW SEWER SYSTEM GOING IN THERE, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
THEY CALL THE COLUMBUS POLICE THERE.
THEY DON'T COME, THEY'LL, AND DUBLIN DOESN'T COME THERE.
SO IF MYRICK IS THE CUTOFF FOR DUBLIN, BUT THEY HAVE A DUBLIN ZIP CODE AND THEY'RE CALLED DUBLIN, HOW IS THAT GONNA WORK AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE.
AND AGAIN, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE YOU GUYS PROVIDED LIKE A DOG PARK.
THOSE ARE YOUNG PEOPLE THERE, OKAY? THEY ALL HAVE DOGS.
THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO WALK THEIR DOGS SAFELY.
THEY NEED TO RIDE THEIR BIKES.
YOU DO NOT WANT TO PUT A BIKE PATH ALONG COSWAY, YOU WILL BE DEAD.
THAT'S A BIG THING THAT THEY NEED.
UM, THERE THEY HAVE BEAUTIFUL LAKES THERE.
THOSE, THOSE LAKES AND THOSE TREES THERE, THEY NEED TO STAY THERE.
THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL WETLANDS BACK THERE.
I'VE WALKED BACK THERE MANY TIMES.
THAT'S PART OF THE LOOK BACK THERE.
AND THOSE HOUSES ARE VERY NICE IN SPRING.
BOTH OF THOSE ALLOTMENTS ARE VERY NICE AND VERY WELL KEPT.
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GOTTA CONSIDER, I WANNA LIVE IN DUBLIN, SO I'LL PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GO TO DUBLIN SCHOOLS AND LIVE IN DUBLIN SO YOU CAN GET A LITTLE MORE MONEY FOR THOSE HOUSES.INSTEAD OF SAYING, I NEED TO BUILD MORE HOUSES AND PUT MORE HOUSES HERE, MAYBE YOU NEED TO THINK I CAN GET MORE MONEY FOR THE HOUSES I PUT IN HERE.
I KNOW YOU WANNA PUT MORE IN THERE SO YOU GET MORE MONEY, BUT THINK OF IT THE OTHER WAY.
UM, ALSO THE TRAFFIC COSGRAVE IS TERRIBLE TRAFFIC AND VERY MUCH SPEEDING.
THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH RINGS ROAD AND THAT INTERSECTION BETWEEN RINGS AND COSS GRAY.
I HOPE THERE'S A PLAN FOR THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE? YEAH, AND WE CAN ADDRESS QUESTIONS OKAY.
AT THE VERY END, BUT IT'S, SO I HOPE THAT'LL BE, UM, AND THEN DRAG RACING IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
THERE WILL BE ANOTHER HUGE PROBLEM WITH IF TUTTLE OPENS.
IT'S NOT, YOU CALL THE POLICEMEN, THEY DON'T COME TO TAKE CARE OF THE DRAG RACERS.
THEY WILL WAKE YOU UP AT THREE IN THE MORNING.
SO SAFETY AGAIN WILL BE FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT MOVE INTO THOSE ALLOTMENTS.
THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO CALL WHEN SOMEBODY'S MISBEHAVING.
I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND MY GIRLS LOVE IT THERE, BUT THEY ARE YOUNG PEOPLE AND THEY WILL WANT CERTAIN THINGS TO BE IN THERE.
NOT NECESSARILY POOLS AND STUFF, BUT PLACES TO WALK AND PLACES TO TAKE THEIR DOGS.
ANY OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO COMMENT? MAD CHAIR? YES.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, I DO WANT TO JUST NOTE THE, 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT POLICE COVERAGE.
UM, ONE ISSUE AND, AND IT'S SORT OF A NECESSARY ISSUE ANYTIME YOU HAVE BOUNDARIES, UM, ALL OF THE LOTS ALONG MYRICK ROAD ARE IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS.
UM, THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THOSE LOTS BORDERS THIS PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS THE CORPORATE BOUNDARY LINE FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
SO ANYTHING THAT IS DEVELOPED ON THIS PROPERTY WILL BE, UM, SERVED BY CITY OF DUBLIN POLICE AND OTHER CITY SERVICES.
BUT EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THAT, YOU KNOW, MYRICK DRIVE, UM, HAYDEN RUN ROAD, THAT'S ALL CITY OF COLUMBUS.
AND SO AS A GENERAL RULE, THE CITY OF DUBLIN WOULD NOT RESPOND UNLESS THERE WAS SOME KIND OF MUTUAL AID SITUATION.
MUTUAL AGREE, AID AGREEMENTS, RECIPROCAL AGREEMENTS.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THOSE GENERALITY? CERTAINLY, YES.
WHERE THERE'S A, AN EMERGENCY, UM, WHERE ONE AGENCY IN A CERTAIN JURISDICTION CAN GET THERE, UH, TO ASSIST THE AGENCY IN THE HOME JURISDICTION.
SO, UM, IF THERE WERE A, A SIGNIFICANT ACCIDENT OR, UM, YOU KNOW, E EMERGENCY TYPE OF SITUATION, DUBLIN CAN COME INTO THE CITY OF COLUMBUS TO HELP OUT THE CITY OF COLUMBUS POLICE OR FIRE OR WHOMEVER CAN COME INTO THE CITY OF DUBLIN TO HELP OUT.
AND ALSO, AND SO, SO YOUR COMMENTS WOULDN'T BE ON THE RECORD BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CAPTURED BY MICROPHONES.
UM, SO THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT NEIGHBORING AREAS, NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES, WHETHER THEY'RE INCORPORATED OR NOT, WE, WE CAN ADDRESS IF YOU WANNA TALK TO STAFF IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE MEETING.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A JUST A FEW COMMENTS UNDER MY WHY, MY, MY RESPONSE TO THE WHY THIS PLAN.
UM, IF I MAY, UM, ONE THING I LEFT OUT AND, AND I'M GLAD OUR NEIGHBOR TALKED ABOUT THE, THE WONDERFUL WETLANDS THAT ARE ON THIS SITE.
'CAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY USING THAT, THOSE AS INSPIRATION FOR OUR DRY BASINS ON THE SITE.
AND OUR THOUGHT THERE WAS TO DO TWO THINGS.
UM, IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT WET BASINS ACROSS OUR SITE, IT WOULD AGAIN HAVE A HUGE IMPACT TO THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPABLE LAND THAT WE HAVE.
ONE IS STORAGE VOLUME, THE OTHER IS SETBACKS FROM RIGHT OF WAYS.
IT EATS INTO THE, THE AREA THAT WE CAN BUILD ON.
UM, WHAT WE CAN DO BY STARTING TO INCORPORATE SOME DRY RETENTION INTO THE AREAS, WE CAN START TO RECREATE OR EXTEND THAT CHARACTER THAT'S ESTABLISHED ALREADY ON SITE WITH THE EXISTING WETLANDS.
AND WE CAN DRAG THAT CHARACTER OUT TO COS GREATER ROAD.
UM, THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS TO MAKE TO THESE AND, AND DETAILS CAN BE WORKED OUT.
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UH, THE, THE, THE MOVE TO DRY RETENTION REALLY ALLOWS US TO GET TO THREE AND A HALF TO USE TO THE ACRE.UM, IF, IF THEY WERE ALL WET, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE BACK DOWN TO ABOUT, UM, MAYBE UNDER THREE TO USE TO THE ACRE ON THE SITE, JUST GIVEN THE ADDITIONAL AREA THAT WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT WET BASINS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT INTO MY WHY.
UM, AS ANOTHER ELEMENT ON WHY THE PLAN IS THE WAY IT IS AND WHY YOU'VE SEEN SO MUCH COMMENT ON DRY BASINS AND WHY THEY'RE STILL ON OUR PLAN.
UM, IT IT ALLOWS US TO ACHIEVE THAT DIVERSITY OF PRODUCT, UM, AND BRING THE FOUR UNIQUE PRODUCTS BACK TO DUBLIN.
UM, AT THIS TIME, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER TAKERS, WE WILL CLOSE OUR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD INTO THE COMMISSION DELIBERATION.
UM, MS. HOLT, COULD I HAVE YOU PUT THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS BACK UP? WE WILL TAKE THESE IN TURN.
WE WILL DO FIRST THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN CONSIDERATION SET THOSE WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME ON MY TOES.
ALL RIGHT, ONCE THOSE ARE UP, MR. CHINOOK, CAN WE START WITH YOU THIS EVENING? SURE.
I I, I GUESS I'M HAVING A HARD, I THINK OBVIOUSLY IT'S A VERY, AS YOU STATED, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY TOUGH SCENARIO.
YOU'VE, YOU'VE TAKEN A DEVELOP DEVELOPABLE SPACE HERE IN ESSENTIALLY MAXED IT OUT AS YOU COULD FOR, FOR, UM, FINANCIALLY DRIVEN REASONS.
I, I THINK WE JUST, UH, FOR, FOR ME, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY OUTSTANDING, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY HARD TO HAVE A LITTLE A DISCUSSION 'CAUSE IT'S, THERE'S SO MANY, UM, ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THIS, AS STAFF, UH, SHARE WITH US.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH, WITH WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
AND THE CHALLENGE I'M HAVING HONESTLY, IS THERE'S, THERE'S SOME SMALL THINGS HERE LIKE THE BIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE BIKE PATHS AND THE, AND THE, AND THE 90 DEGREE PARKING AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT SEEM TO SEEMINGLY HAVE BEEN IGNORED.
SO WE'RE KIND OF AT THIS, I KNOW, I KNOW I TOTALLY APPRECIATE YOUR FRUSTRATION WITH THE LONGEVITY OF THIS PROCESS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE'RE NOT, SOME, SOME OF THESE COMMENTS AREN'T, AREN'T BEING HEARD.
SO FOR ME PERSONALLY, I COULD COME, YOU KNOW, COME TO THAT HAPPY MEDIUM A LITTLE BIT EASIER IF I FELT THAT YOU WERE DOING SOME OF THE SMALL STUFF.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY YES, THERE'S A BIGGER ISSUE HERE.
YOU'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UM, MAXIMIZE THE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THERE, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF, OF THOSE THINGS THAT I SEEMINGLY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AREN'T, ARE ALMOST BEING IGNORED.
UM, AND I THINK I'D BE MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO KIND OF MEET IN THE MIDDLE IF, IF SOME OF THAT STUFF WAS HAPPENING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UNIQUELY DOUBLING AND, AND HOW WE CAN LAY OUT, AGAIN, THIS JUST FEELS LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN THE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPABLE AREA, MAXED IT OUT, AND KIND OF IGNORED A LOT OF THE STUFF WE'VE BEEN, UH, I GUESS MAYBE NOT IGNORED, THAT'S HARSH.
MAYBE JUST
AND THEN I ALSO, I MEAN, WITHOUT A TRAFFIC, I KNOW THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IS COMING.
UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S ALSO HARD TO REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS WITHOUT HAVING THAT KNOWLEDGE WHAT, WHAT THAT IMPACT'S GONNA HAVE ON THE, ON THE AREA HERE.
THANK YOU MR. CHINOOK, MS. HARDER, I'M, I'M SORRY WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS, UM, SITUATION.
'CAUSE I THINK, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE, UH, SPENT TIME ON SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE ABOUT WHAT, UM, THIS, THIS COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE STAFF WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND SO, UM, I AGREE THAT THERE WERE THINGS ON THE LIST THAT I THOUGHT SHOULD BE A QUICK CHECKOFF JUST TO, JUST TO BE A PART OF THE SYSTEM AND, UM, AND THOSE THINGS, UM, ARE IMPORTANT.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS HERE TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND I THINK THAT IS, UH, UNDERSTANDABLE.
AND, UM, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU'VE SPENT WITH US AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH US STAFF.
UM, BUT THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU ALMOST CAN'T GET YOUR HEAD WRAPPED AROUND THEM.
AND THEN I, I LOOK AT THE LIST OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I MADE OF, OF, OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DID DO, UM, THAT ARE KIND OF MOVE US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR LIKE, THE SECOND PART OF IT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY THESE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT ARE NITTY GRITTY ARE JUST OFF.
AND, UM, FOR THAT, I'M, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WHERE WE, WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
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UH, THANK YOU.THANKS FOR COMING BACK IN AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OUTSTANDING ISSUES.
UM, I WAS ACTUALLY STRUCK BY THAT ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES THAT WERE SHOWN, THAT WAS THE, WHERE THE LAST PROPOSAL WAS VERSUS WHERE YOU ARE NOW.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE PUT THAT BACK UP, THERE WAS A CHANGE IN DIRECTION, I FEEL WHEN I OPENED UP THE PACKET.
UM, AND SAW WHERE YOU ARE NOW FROM WHERE WE WERE AND, AND WE GAVE YOU COMMENTS THAT YOU WERE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I WAS A LITTLE WORRIED THAT WE WERE NOT HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ANYMORE.
AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PROCESS, WHICH IS ALL IN THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND AS WE WERE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THIS PROJECT EARLY ON, AND YOU'RE INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING UNIQUE AND MORE ON THE NEW URBANIST KIND OF STYLE WITH, UM, UNITS, FRONTING STREETS AND PAR YOU KNOW, PARKING AND ACCESS BEHIND SO THAT YOU DON'T SEE IT WAS, WAS REALLY EXCITING TO ME.
BUT WE WERE HAVING A HARD TIME KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IT 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GUIDE US.
AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, RIGHT, UM, REALLY STARTED TO GIVE A PICTURE OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
AND I WAS HOPING THAT THOSE, I WOULD SEE THOSE INCORPORATED IN THIS.
UM, AND I, AND I DON'T, SO I'M SEEING THE IDEA OF, OF UNITS FACING OUTWARD AND PARKING ON THE INSIDE, BUT THEN THEY'RE ON A, A STREET THAT'S PUBLIC, BUT IT HAS PARKING GARAGE, IT'S, IT HAS GARAGES ON IT.
AND SO ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE DEFEATED THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT NEW ORBITED APPROACH, RIGHT? WHICH IS TO HAVE A VERY CLEAN STREET SCAPE WITHOUT GARAGES.
AND THEN THE PARKING'S HIDDEN BEHIND, UM, THE, THE SECTIONS THAT ARE ALL ON COSS GRAY, NORTH AND SOUTH BOTH DON'T REALLY ACCOMPLISH THAT.
AND SO THAT WAS, THAT'S ONE OF MY DISAPPOINTMENTS.
AND THAT PERMEATES THEN, YOU KNOW, THROUGH ALL THESE OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS THAT, UH, PEOPLE HAVE HAD.
BUT THERE'S SOME REALLY INTERESTING FEATURES IN HERE.
I THINK YOU'VE, YOU STARTED TO INTEGRATE SOME THINGS LIKE THE FEATURE TREES AND ALL THAT I THOUGHT WAS, WAS REALLY POSITIVE.
BUT THIS, I THINK WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT GIVES YOU THAT NEW URBANNESS FEEL, UM, AND THAT YOU'RE NOT DRIVING THROUGH A SEA OF PARKING TO GET TO SOMEBODY'S UNIT OR, YOU KNOW, A VISITOR OR WHATEVER THAT'S YOUR STREET ADDRESS, RIGHT? AND, AND IT, AND EVEN THOUGH THE UNIT'S FACING, YOU KNOW, OUT ONTO AN OPEN SPACE OR SOMETHING, YOU'RE STILL EXPERIENCE OF IT IS THIS KIND OF AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED PLACE.
SO, UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK I THOUGHT IN THE LAST PLAN THAT YOU WERE STARTING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
I THOUGHT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES STARTED TO REALLY GIVE SOME MEAT ABOUT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR AND THEN THE, THE CONSERVATION, UM, UM, IDEAS.
UM, I THINK ARE WE, AGAIN, WE WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE EFFORT OF REALLY TRYING TO DEFINE HOW YOU REALLY LOOK AT A SITE LIKE THIS AND ALL OF THE FEATURES THAT ARE NATURAL AND NEED TO BE PRESERVED THAT THEY'RE REALLY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKEN OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT EQUATION.
YOU COME UP WITH A DEVELOPMENT LAND LIKE, LIKE THIS HAPPENED HERE.
BUT, UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I REALLY SUPPORT THAT WHOLE APPROACH.
SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES AND THE, THE CONSERVATION, UM, ASPECT TO IT AGAIN, I THINK ARE SOMETHING THAT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CONTINUE TO BE EXPLORED.
SO, UM, I, I WENT THROUGH THE, THE LIST AND, UM, I, ALL THE OTHER THINGS TO ME ARE, ARE MORE TECHNICAL RELATED TO, I MEAN, OBVIOUS THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO SOLVE WATER, SEWER, TRANSPORTATION, ALL THAT THAT HAS TO BE FIGURED OUT.
UM, I DO WANT TO COMMENT ON THE, UM, THE AMLIN, UH, PART OF IT, THE IDEA OF THIS KIND OF, UH, MIXED USE VILLAGE.
I, I, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WAY EARLY ON, ABOUT HOW YOU COULD REALLY START TO INTEGRATE SOMETHING THAT REALLY PLAYED UP ON THE AMLIN VILLAGE STUFF.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN LOST IN THE, IN THE PROCESS.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ONE OF THE TOP THINGS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER HERE.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE WET BASINS VERSUS DRY BASINS, TO ME IT'S, THERE'S A AESTHETIC TO THAT.
AND IF, IF, IF YOU HAVE A STRATEGY, UH, WITH DRY BASINS BEING A SOLUTION TO CREATING SOMETHING NEW AND DIFFERENT, UM, AND THAT TIES THINGS TOGETHER WITHIN DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT'S WORTH CONSIDERING.
BUT I DON'T SEE THAT, THAT NARRATIVE RIGHT NOW THAT REALLY TALKS ABOUT THAT AND CONNECTING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT TO CAUSE GRAY AND ALL THAT STUFF.
I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S, WHAT'S LACKING IS THAT REAL STRATEGY OF, OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
AND YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST PLAN YOU HAD A LOT, A LOT OF WET BASINS, AND WHEN YOU COLOR THOSE BLUE ON A PLANET LOOKS VERY ATTRACTIVE.
AND, BUT NOW WE WENT THE OTHER WAY AND WITHOUT A STRATEGY OF IT'S STILL GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL AND ATTRACTIVE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE WET.
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I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WOULD RESPOND TO IN THIS, IN OUR LIST OF CONSIDERATIONS.THANK YOU, MR. WE, MR. SCHNEER, UH, UM, MR. UNDERHILL, UH, WENT OFF SCRIPT, SO I'M GONNA GO OFF SCRIPT AS WELL FOR A BIT.
UM, I'M, I'M SYMPATHETIC AND EMPATHETIC TO THIS BECAUSE, UM, FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
I'VE BEEN AN APPLICANT BEFORE ONE OF OUR, UM, OUTSTANDING BOARDS HERE AND RECOGNIZE THAT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS GO THE WAY YOU WANT TO GO.
HOWEVER, UM, YOU OF ALL PEOPLE, IF YOU WILL AT, WITH YOUR LEGAL EXPERIENCE, SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A QUASI-JUDICIAL.
WE'RE ACTING IN, IN A LEGISLATIVE CAPACITY HERE TONIGHT AND NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE CAPACITY.
AND THERE IS AN INHERENT SUBJECTIVITY TO THIS PROCESS.
I CAN TELL YOU FIRSTHAND, I KNOW IT CAN BE FRUSTRATING.
I KNOW IT CAN BE FRUSTRATING FROM BOTH SIDES OF THIS.
IT'S SORT OF BEEN THE LAW OF THE LAND FOR, YOU KNOW, SINCE VILLAGE OF EUCLID NEARLY A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
UM, YOU LOOK AT THE CRITERIA FOR PLAN APPROVAL, THERE IS SUBJECTIVITY JUST WRIT LARGE IN EVERY ONE OF THESE.
THE STANDARD IS, ARE WE BEING ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS? I DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMISSION.
I THINK YOU, YOU, WE'VE EVIDENCED THAT.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THESE DELIBERATIONS OR WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM THE STAFF IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT, TO USE YOUR ANALOGY, THE GOALPOSTS HAVE BEEN MOVED AT ALL WITH RESPECT TO CHANGES IN YOUR, YOU KNOW, IN THE TIMELINE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT HAS OCCURRED.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU PLAY IT AS IT LIES.
I MEAN THIS, NONE OF THIS IS EX POST FACTO.
THESE ARE THE GUIDELINES ON DAY, ON DAY T MINUS ONE, THERE ARE NO GUIDELINES.
AND THEN ON T PLUS ONE, THERE ARE GUIDELINES AND A PENDING APPLICATION IS SUBJECT TO THE GUIDELINES.
UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES TIMING SUCKS.
I, I DON'T THINK IS, IS, IS FAIR TO THE COMMISSION OR STAFF WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
PUTTING ALL THAT ASIDE, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL OPINION WITH RESPECT TO THIS.
THE FACTS OF THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT, IT, IT, THERE, THERE ARE ENOUGH WHAT I WOULD CALL BINARY OR OBJECTIVE, UH, ELEMENTS IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT YOU, UH, HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO CONCUR WITH, WHICH IS YOUR PROVINCE.
IT'S AS, UH, AS YOU'VE INDICATED, IT'S YOU'RE MAKING A VALUE, YOU, YOU'RE MAKING A JUDGMENT WITH RESPECT TO LAND USE.
WE CAN AGREE THAT THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE JUDGMENT OR NOT APPROPRIATE JUDGMENT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE BEING ARBITRARY IN DOING SO.
SO SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, UM, AND, AND I'LL TAKE SLIGHT ISSUE, THE DI MINIMUS STUFF, YOU KNOW, I'LL, WHETHER YOU HAD A A COMMUNITY MEETING PRIOR TO THIS OR AFTER THIS MEETING, DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
I MEAN, YOU'D GET THERE, BUT THERE ARE ENOUGH OTHERS OF, OF SUBSTANCE THAT ARE POINTED OUT.
I MEAN, BELABOR THE FACT TO JUST GO DOWN THROUGH THEM AGAIN, BECAUSE I DO CONCUR WITH THE STAFF, UM, ON THOSE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THERE CAN BE SOME MEETING OF THE MINDS.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO YOU.
MR. FISHMAN, I THINK IT'S ALL BEEN PRETTY MUCH SAID, I, I, ESPECIALLY YOUR LAST TWO SENTENCES I CONCUR WITH, UH, I THINK STAFF HAS DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB AND I THINK, UM, THAT, UH, MAYBE WE
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HAVE TOO MUCH DEVELOPMENT ON TOO SMALL A SITE.UM, BUT I THINK THE STANDARDS SHOULD BE MET.
UH, UH, THEY'RE MET FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND I THINK THAT I CONCUR WITH MR. SCHIER AND MY OTHER COLLEAGUE.
MR. AK, UM, UH, PATTY, AARON, GREG, THANK YOU.
UH, AS ALWAYS, UH, THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF POTENTIAL GOOD HERE.
UM, I THINK GENERALLY RIGHT TO STEP BACK INDEPENDENT OF THE NUANCE IN THE CURRENT DESIGN, WE CAN ALL AGREE, AGREE ON THAT.
THERE'S THIS, THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE A REALLY LOVELY ANCHOR OUT THERE IN AMLIN.
UM, PUDS ARE UNIQUE, UNIQUE CUSTOM RULES, RIGHT? UM, WE WORK TOGETHER TO RELAX SOME THINGS AND FIND DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING, DOING, DOING OUR CODE, BASICALLY.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A NEGOTIATION.
UH, IT IS, IT IS AN ITERATIVE PROCESS.
THERE IS CLEARLY A WEALTH OF WORK HERE TO EVERYBODY'S COMMENTARY AND, AND AGAIN, TO EVEN YOUR, UH, YOUR COMMENTARY, AARON, WE, THERE'S CLEARLY A WEALTH OF WORK HERE IF WE'RE JUST WAITING, MEASURING BY THE WEIGHT OF THE PAPER, RIGHT? THERE'S A, THERE'S A NUMBER OF SHEETS HERE, UH, APPLAUD ACROSS THE BOARD ON THAT.
BUT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR WORK TOWARDS A DESIGN THAT IS NOT READY, DOESN'T MAKE IT NECESSARILY AGREEABLE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE ARE, RIGHT? THERE'S A WEALTH OF SORT OF DISAGREEABLE MOMENTS, STREWN THROUGHOUT THIS, BE IT INCOMPLETE INFORMATION ABOUT STRATEGIES, BE IT INCOMPLETE INFORMATION ON A NUMBER OF SMALL NUANCES THAT ARE, YES, THEY'RE TACTICAL, BUT THEY STILL, UM, THEY STILL BETRAY AND SORT OF INCOMPLETENESS, RIGHT? SMALL LIBERTIES TAKEN THAT, UH, THAT ARE LESS THAN MAYBE WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO, TO ABIDE BY.
UM, THERE'S JUST A NUMBER OF THOSE, THOSE THINGS.
AND MAYBE THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S ME FUNDAMENTALLY SAYING WITH REGARD TO A BINDING VOTE.
I AM UNSUPPORTIVE WITH REGARD TO THE PROJECT.
IT'S A BIG PROJECT, UNFORTUNATELY, RIGHT? YOU'RE BUMPING UP UP AGAINST TIME AND EFFORT AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
BIG PROJECTS HAVE A LOT OF MOMENTS.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF, UM, RIGHT.
YOU HAVE TO OSCILLATE DOWN INTO SOME OF THE SMALL NUANCE TO COME BACK OUT AND REVISIT THE, THE OVERALL STRATEGY AND LAYOUT AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
DOES THIS LOT WORK THIS ONE LOT RELATIVE TO THE 300 I HAVE HERE, RIGHT? UM, THAT IS, THAT IS THE CRUX OF THE DESIGN PROCESS.
THAT IS THE CRUX OF THE NEGOTIATION.
THAT IS THE CRUX OF THE, THE COOPERATION THAT IS THE, THE ITERATIONS, UM, THAT THIS WOULD TAKE TO GET ACROSS THE END, ACROSS THE, INTO THE END ZONE, RIGHT? UM, IF I WAS BEING SPECIFIC IN THAT REGARD, A LITTLE MORE OF AN INFORMAL REVIEW, I AM STILL GENERALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, AND I'M EVEN TETHERING BACK TO PREVIOUS COMMENTS, AWKWARD MOMENTS WHERE THE MONOPOLY BUILDINGS, RIGHT, THEY MAKE FOR THESE AWKWARD CORNERS AND TRANSITIONS, UM, RELATIVE TO SOME OF THE AR ARCHITECTURE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THOSE.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF PLACES, AND I, I THINK MS. HOLT TOUCHED ON 'EM IN SPECIFICALLY THE SOUTH AREA WHERE THE GREEN SPACE AND THE RELATIONSHIPS TO THE UNITS IS NOT WELL DEVELOPED OR WELL THOUGHT THROUGH, RIGHT? UM, IT, ONE OF MY COMMENTS VERBATIM WAS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PLACES WHERE THE GREEN SPACE, TWO UNITS RELATIONSHIPS NEED TO BE RECONSIDERED.
UM, THERE ARE, YOU ARE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
IT IS AT TIMES INTERESTING, VERY, VERY INTERESTING.
UM, THERE ARE SOME REALLY SUCCESSFUL MOMENTS WHERE UNITS, UH, THE FRONT DOOR ABUTS A A GENEROUS SCREEN SPACE.
THERE ARE OTHER PLACES WHERE IT IS STILL NOT VERY MATURE AND IT'S DESIGN, IT IS STILL VERY, VERY AWKWARD.
AND, UH, NOBODY IS GOING TO GO TO THE FRONT DOOR, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCERN.
SO, UM, AND, AND, AND THAT HAS BEEN A COMMENTARY THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS BY, I AT LEAST, I CAN'T SPEAK TO STAFF, BUT AT LEAST THIS COMMISSION.
SO THAT'S ME CONTINUING TO ARTICULATE.
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IT'S MOVING IN A GOOD DIRECTION.THERE ARE A WEALTH OF SMALL, SMALL MOMENTS, NUANCE THAT NEED TO GET ADJUSTED.
THERE ARE STRATEGIES THAT NEED TO BE, BE WELL VETTED THAT OVERLAY RELATIVE TO THESE THINGS, UM, UH, AKIN TO, UM, MR WAY'S COMMENTARY, BUT IT HAS POTENTIAL.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD POTENTIAL HERE.
AND, UM, I HOPE THAT'S FRUITFUL.
ERIN, I'M GONNA USE FOOTBALL AGAIN.
SO YOU'RE PLAYING ON A FIELD THAT HAS AN ALASKA WINTER IN ONE END AND HAS AN ARIZONA SUMMER IN THE OTHER END.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER PARCEL IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN WHERE IT'S A MAJOR GATEWAY, HAS A COUPLE OF MAJOR CORRIDORS, HAS A RAILROAD CROSSING, HAS AN OVERPASS, HAS TREE STANDS, HAS WETLANDS TO THE DEGREE THAT YOU HAVE WETLANDS.
AND SO THE, THE PROCESS HAS BEEN LONG BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT COACHING STRATEGIES.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, HOW WE'RE GONNA STAFF THE OFFENSE AND THE DEFENSE.
AND MEANWHILE THE LEAGUE PASSES NEW RULES AND, AND THAT'S REALITY.
AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS FOR, FOR LACK OF WORK.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS FOR LACK OF COLLABORATION OR COMMUNICATION OR LISTENING.
I THINK WE HAVE AN ARIZONA SUMMER ON ONE END AND AN ALASKA WINTER ON THE OTHER END.
AND WE HAVE A VISION FOR THAT AREA THAT, THAT SAYS BASED ON HOW THOSE REGULATIONS ARE, ARE IMPLEMENTED.
WE ONLY HAVE, WHAT WAS IT, 35 ACRES? THAT'S BUILDABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE A RAILROAD.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE, BECAUSE, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THAT'S THE FIELD.
AND SO THERE ARE OTHER FIELDS THAT DON'T HAVE ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SOME OF THEM ARE EVEN IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
AND SO I, IF WE WERE TALKING, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE HAVE THIS ONE ROADWAY AND WE CAN'T GET THE BIKE PATH THAT WE NEED, WE CAN'T GET THE UNDULATION, RIGHT? IF WE WERE HAVING THOSE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS, I THINK IT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR EXCEPTION TWO.
I, I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF YOU EVER GOT A REPORT CARD THAT LOOKED LIKE THIS, BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF WHO YOU ARE, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE LAND WE'RE DEALING WITH.
AND SO I AM ALSO NOT SUPPORTIVE OF EITHER OF THE APPLICATIONS BEFORE US THIS EVENING.
I DO SUPPORT ALL OF THE, THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS, BOTH ON YOUR SIDE AND STAFF SIDE.
I'M SURE THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE WRITING THIS REPORT CARD.
BUT, UH, I THINK THE, WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMISSION TONIGHT IS, IS PRETTY CLEAR.
SO I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU IF YOU'D LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TWO MOTIONS THIS EVENING.
UM, AND, UM, YOU ARE ALL VERY WELL SPOKEN AND VERY WELL REASONED.
AND I, I, AND, AND I'M GONNA START WITH MR. BOGGS HERE.
HE AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING A LOT TOGETHER IN OTHER PLACES TOO.
AND, UM, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID.
UH, AND I, MR. SCHNEER, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID, AND MY POINT AND MY COMMENTS EARLIER WERE TO RESET THIS, TO TRY TO TRY TO GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF THERE IS GONNA BE GIVE AND TAKE HERE.
AND I WANT THE STAFF TO BE FREE TO GIVE US, HAVE, HAVE SOME LEEWAY TO DO THAT AND NOT HAVE TO BE SO, AND, AND LOOK, THAT'S TOUCHY FEELY, RIGHT? BUT TO, TO JUST SAY, WELL, YOU DON'T MEET OR YOU DO THERE.
IF WE CAN DO THIS IN A WAY THAT'S COLLABORATIVE, WE'RE WORKING HERE A LONG TIME.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND NEVER DID I INTEND TO INDICATE LEGAL ACTION.
I, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY WAS, THIS IS, BOY, IS THIS A UNIQUE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES WITH RULES THAT ARE CHANGING.
WE DON'T LIKE THAT THEY'VE CHANGED, BUT THEY HAVE CHANGED.
AND WE ADMIT, WE ADMIT THAT IT'S JUST, IT'S FRUSTRATING.
BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE IS GONNA BE GIVE AND TAKE AND WE JUST NEED THE STAFF TO FEEL EMPOWERED THAT THEY CAN HELP US ALONG WITH THAT AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THE GIVE AND TAKE CAN BE AND SUPPORT US.
AND I HATE COMING HERE WITHOUT STAFF SUPPORT, BUT I FELT THE NEED TO COME AND SAY MY PEACE.
AND I APPRECIATE AGAIN, YOU INDULGING ME AND, AND I RESPECT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
AND I THINK WE'RE ALL WALKING AWAY FRIENDS HERE, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT I HAD TO GET MY POINT ACROSS, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, DO WE NEED A MOTION TO TABLE, UH, INDIVIDUAL? THERE COULD BE A SINGLE MOTION TO TABLE, BOTH CASES.
I WILL, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE, UM, BY REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE PRELIMINARY
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PLAT.DO I? THANK YOU MR. SUE BLACK.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? MR. FISHMAN? YEAH, HE SECOND.
UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR MR. CHILLO.
UH, THANK YOU FOR COMING BEFORE US THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU FOR BE WILLING, BEING WILLING TO CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY, TO, UH, HOPEFULLY INCORPORATE SOMETHING THAT WE ALL CAN BE PROUD OF AND, AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN.
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WE HAVE TWO FINAL ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING UNDER COMMUNICATIONS.SO MS. ROUSH, I'LL TURN SOME TIME OVER TO YOU.
UM, SINCE IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT.
SO IN YOUR PACKET, UM, WE INCLUDED PROPOSED MEETING DATES FOR NEXT YEAR, UM, WITH EVERY YEAR WE APPROVE THE FIRST TWO MONTHS OF THE SUBSEQUENT YEAR TO SORT OF GIVE US SOME GRACE.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME TIME, UM, BUT DEFINITELY WANT YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
IF YOU KNOW TONIGHT OF ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICTS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE DATE, I'D LOVE TO HEAR THAT.
UM, OR YOU CAN EMAIL ME AFTERWARDS.
SO, AND AGAIN, THE REASON WE'RE BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND GIVING YOU EXTRA TIME IS TO HELP, UM, ADHERE TO COUNCIL'S GUIDELINES ABOUT ATTENDANCE, UM, AND THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT ABILITY TO BE AT MEETINGS CONSISTENTLY SO THAT IF WE NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE SOMEONE CAN'T BE HERE, UM, THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING TO SHARE AT THIS POINT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT.
I MEAN, WITH OUR DATES, WE ALWAYS INCLUDE HOLIDAYS, CITY EVENTS, STATE OF THE CITY COUNCIL RETREAT, JOINT WORK SESSIONS, SO ALL THOSE THINGS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR.
SPOOKTACULAR, YOU NAME IT, IT'S ON THERE.
SO, UM, JUST SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING AS MUCH LEEWAY AND, AND ACCOUNTING FOR THINGS THAT MIGHT CONFLICT.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ON THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS A COMMISSION, UH, I BELIEVE SEMI-ANNUALLY IS WHAT WE DECIDED ON THOSE PARTICULAR DATES.
WE'LL BRING THEM BACK IN SIX MONTHS.
SO IF YOUR SCHEDULE CHANGES FOR, FOR INSTANCE, NEXT AUGUST, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE, THE BALANCE OF THE YEAR IN THE EVENT THAT YOU DO HAVE SOME SCHEDULING EVENTS THAT COME UP.
SO IF NOBODY, YEAH, LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES.
SORRY,
SO I WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, I, I DID SEND A NOTE TO CITY COUNCIL AND HAS BROUGHT UP MY ATTENDANCE HAS BEEN NOT GOOD OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
I DID, UH, MAKE A CHANGE IN MY WORK SCHEDULE 'CAUSE I WOULD, I TRAVEL A TON FOR WORK, BUT I'VE CHANGED THAT NOW, SO I'M MORE COMMITTED.
I TALKED TO MY OFFICE ABOUT IT.
SO I, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR MISSING MEETINGS.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I'VE ADDRESSED IT, I'M TAKEN CARE OF IT AND I'VE FULLY COMMITTED AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY INTEREST IN THIS.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS A, JAMIE, YOU SHOULD CHECK THE MINUTES OF THE MEETINGS YOU MISSED.
WHAT'S THAT? WE, WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE TALKED POORLY ABOUT YOU.
I'M SURE
I WOULD'VE BEEN FRUSTRATED IF I WAS ON YOUR SIDE, BUT NEVER ON THE RECORD.
THE BIG DOLLAR AMOUNT, THE BIG BUCKS THAT WE MAKE 'CAUSE STIPEND HERE.
UM, UH, QUICK QUESTION, AND MAYBE THIS IS, MAYBE THIS IS, UH, JUST ADVOCACY ON ALL OF OUR PARTS, UH, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER.
SEVEN MEETINGS IN THOSE TWO MONTHS.
IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN RELIEVE THAT AND SPACE THAT, AND ESPECIALLY, I'M GONNA SAY FOR US, YOU KNOW, PLENTY OF US WITH KIDS IN SCHOOL, THOSE ARE REALLY HARD TO BEGIN WITH.
MAYBE WE MOVE OUR PROJECT TOUR TO THE SPRINGTIME BECAUSE SINCE, UM, APPOINTMENTS NOW HAVE BEEN EXTENDED UNTIL THE END OF MAY, THEN SOME OF OUR TRAINING THAT WE USED TO DO EARLIER, UM, IS HAPPENING LATER.
SO LET ME, YES, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
LET ME LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
I MEAN, THE JOINT WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL THAT HAS, THEY HAVE APPROVED THAT DATE, SO THAT IS THE DATE FOR THAT.
BUT THE OTHER ITEMS, UM, IN TERMS OF BOARD AND COMMISSION TRAINING AND THE TOUR, I CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AND SEE IF THOSE CAN BE SPREAD OUT FURTHER.
AND, AND I THINK WE HAVE A FIFTH WEEK SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
SO WE HAVE THE, RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSED IS A, A TUESDAY AND THEN THREE SUBSEQUENT THURSDAYS.
AND SO THOSE CHUNKS WHERE THEY'RE, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A BREAK.
SO IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS TRIP, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT IT.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, TRAINING ATTENDANCE.
YEAH, SO I, AGAIN, THE ATTENDANCE PIECE OF THAT.
SO THE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL, UM, WHO'S IN CHARGE OF ALL BOARD APPOINTMENTS, AGAIN, BROUGHT THIS TOPIC UP AND TALKED THAT
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THROUGH, THEY ARE, UM, RECOMMENDING SOME CHANGES TO, UM, BOARD AND COMMISSIONS AND NOT JUST PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ABOUT ATTENDANCE NUMBERS, AND IT BEING 20% OF YOUR TOTAL NUMBER OF MEETINGS.SO I THINK THAT'S ESSENTIALLY FOR PLANNING COMMISSION ENDS UP BEING FOUR MEETINGS THAT YOU CAN MISS.
UM, SO THAT IT WILL GO INTO EFFECT HERE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND THE TRAINING PART, UM, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL ABOUT OUTSTANDING TRAINING.
UM, AND SO CHECK YOUR CITY EMAILS.
I DO HAVE A LIST HERE TOO, SO IF YOU WANNA COME TALK TO ME AFTERWARDS AND, AND WE CAN PROVIDE, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU NEED TO COME TO OUR OFFICE AND DO IT.
AND THEN THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AND I NEED TO GET SOME CLARITY ON IF YOU GET SOME OF THESE REQUIRED TRAININGS THROUGH YOUR PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATION, WILL THOSE COUNT? SO LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE IN THAT PREDICAMENT.
SO, AND THEN JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE COMMISSION, THE, THE, THE RULE ABOUT THE FOUR MEETINGS MISSED, IS THAT WITHIN THE LAST CALENDAR YEAR, IS THAT PER CALENDAR YEAR? IS THAT WITHIN THE LAST 12 MONTHS? COULD YOU SOME CLARIFICATION? THAT'S GREAT POINT.
I CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON YES.
SORRY, I SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I DON'T.
IS IT LIKE JUNE REVOLVING TO JUNE, MAY, YOU KNOW, MAY 31ST.
IS IT YOUR TERM APPOINTMENT? YEAH, I'LL CHECK INTO THAT.
WELL LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMUNICATION, THANK YOU FOR SPENDING A VERY BUSY, PRODUCTIVE THURSDAY NIGHT WITH US.