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GOOD EVENING AND[CALL TO ORDER]
WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 5 5 5 5 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY OF DUBLIN DUBLIN'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CASES.
PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU, MS. BEAL, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. SNEER? HERE.
AND MR. WE ARE EXCUSED TONIGHT.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS OF THE RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 17TH.[Case #23-082]
WERE TWO AMLIN CROSSING CASES AT 5 2 7 4 CROSS CAUSE GRADE ROAD.THEY WERE POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT.
PRIOR TO THE, PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, THEY'VE BEEN TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA.
UM, WE ARE ANGLING TOWARDS SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THE COMMISSION IS INCORPORATING A NEW ORDER TO THE PRESENTATIONS GIVEN BY APPLICANT AND STAFF.
HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN STAFFED AND APPLICANT.
NOW IT'S GONNA BE APPLICANT AND STAFF.
IT'LL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE FIRST, FOLLOWED BY STAFF'S ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND RESPONSE.
THE COMMISSION WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, BEFORE DELIBERATING ON EACH CASE.
EVERYONE FOLLOW THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATTING OF PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY, ON ANY OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA I AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10 30.
UM, ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY CASES, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? YES, SIR.
WE HAVE TWO CASES ELIGIBLE FOR CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING.
THE COUNTRY CLUB AT MUIRFIELD VILLAGE AT 8 7 1 5 MUIRFIELD DRIVE, AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
PLAN, AND THEN CASE 2 3 0 8 9 RIVIERA SECTION FOUR DASH TWO AT P I D 3 9 0 0 2 2 4 0 3 4 1 1 3 0 AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
DOES ANYONE WISH TO HAVE EITHER OF THESE CASES REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO, WE NEED A MOTION SO YOU COULD DO A MOTION FOR EACH CASE INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, AND WHAT IS THAT MOTION? UM, TO APPROVE AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH ONE CONDITION.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? WE'LL, WE'LL DO CASE NUMBER TWO THREE DASH EIGHT TWO.
THE COUNTRY CLUB AT MUIRFIELD VILLAGE.
UH, AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH ONE CONDITION? SO MOVED.
[Case #23-089]
DASH OH EIGHT NINE RIVIERA SECTION FOUR DASH TWO AT P I D 3 9 0 0 2.4 0 3 4 1 1 3 0 AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH
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NO CONDITIONS? SO MOVE SECOND.[Case #23-046]
UM, CASE NUMBER 2 3 0 4 6, EASE LOGISTICS AT FOUR THOU, UH, EXCUSE ME, 6,000 PERIMETER DRIVE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS TO A BUILDING AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS ON A 13.53 ACRE SITE ZONED PLANNED COMMERCE DISTRICT PERIMETER CENTER SUBAR C.
THE APPLICATION IS, IS AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE COMMISSION'S DETERMINATION.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR A PRESENTATION? THERE'S A, THERE'S A BUTTON TO LIGHT IT UP.
YOU'LL SEE THE GREEN AROUND THE MICROPHONE.
AND THEN, UM, ANYBODY WHO APPROACHES NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? PETER COROLA.
7 4 1 1 BROCK ROAD, LANE CITY, OHIO.
I'M THE C E O OF EASE LOGISTICS.
APPRECIATE THE TIME FROM THE COMMISSION AND STAFF TONIGHT, UH, GOING OVER OUR EXTERIOR PACKAGE FOR OUR NEW GLOBAL HEADQUARTERS THAT WE, UH, PLAN TO BE HERE IN DUBLIN, OHIO.
UH, THE GOAL IS TO EXPLAIN THE PROJECT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I DISCUSS A FEW, UM, POINTS ABOUT EASE LOGISTICS BEFORE WE GET THERE AS A SLIDESHOW EVERYWHERE IN THE ROOM.
UH, SINCE OUR CONCEPTION IN 2014, WE HAVE CREATED OVER 330 JOBS.
WE OWN AND OPERATE OUT OF THREE FACILITIES, AND WE'VE BECOME AN INDUSTRY LEADER IN INNOVATION, UM, AND A NATIONALLY RATE TRANSPORTATION COMPANY FROM AN INNOVATION STANDPOINT.
UH, WE'RE LEADING THE INDUSTRY IN DUBLIN IS HOME TO EASE LOGISTICS, WHO IS THE FIRST TRUCKING COMPANY IN NORTH AMERICA TO OWN AND OPERATE AUTONOMOUS TUNING TRUCKS.
WE'RE PUSHING THE BOUNDARIES BOTH IN OUR INDUSTRY BUT ALSO IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND AS HOPEFULLY MAYBE YOU'VE SEEN THAT WE'RE VERY ACTIVE.
OUR COMMUNITY BOTH WITH TOUCH A TRUCK, THE FOOD PANTRY, AND SEVERAL OTHER, UH, ORGANIZATIONS AROUND TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THAT'S BEEN SO GREAT TO US.
AND WE HAVE A POWERFUL AND DIVERSE WORKFORCE, AND WE ATTRACT THEM IN TO GROW OUR BUSINESS.
AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE WORKFORCE.
AND I BRING THESE POINTS UP TO GO INTO THE EXTERIOR PACKAGE.
SO COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER THAT THE ABILITY TO DO THIS.
AND AS A C E O OF THE COMPANY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT BRAND RECOGNITION IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND BRAND RECOGNITION STARTS THE MOMENT ANYBODY ENTERS OUR FACILITY FROM THE OUTSIDE COMING IN.
SO ALL OF THE EXTERIOR REVISIONS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TODAY ARE ALIGNED WITH OUR BRAND THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO GROW, RIGHT, BE PIONEERS IN THE INNOVATION, BUT ALSO LEAD THE TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY FOR THE ACTUAL AREAS.
I WILL NOW INTRODUCE BRIAN WINKLER, WHO, UH, IS FROM LINCOLN CONSTRUCTION, WHO IS LEADING UP THE PROJECT.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, MENTIONED BRIAN WINKLER, 63 45 WIER CIRCLE HERE IN DUBLIN.
SO, UH, WITH, UH, LINCOLN CONSTRUCTION, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH EASE OVER THE PAST, UH, YEAR TO EXPAND THEIR, UM, FACILITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THREE SMALLER BUILDINGS OFF OF AVERY ROAD RIGHT NOW.
AND ARE, UH, EXPANDING INTO THIS ALMOST 150,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, THE OLD FISERV, WHICH WE CAN SEE FROM HERE, UM, JUST UP THE ROAD.
UM, WHAT THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR TO PRESENT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, IMPROVE ON THE EXTERIOR.
RIGHT NOW IT'S A, UM, OFF WHITE, UM, IFIS WITH A LOT OF, UH, PUNCH WINDOWS AND SOME STOREFRONT WINDOWS CURRENTLY, UM, VIEWED BY THE EXTERIOR.
THERE'S A, UH, CONCRETE PATIO IN THE ENTRANCE AREA AND WHAT I CAN RUN THROUGH, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR EACH OF THOSE SECTIONS.
SO THE, UH, THE HIGHLIGHT IS THIS IS A FOUR STORY BUILDING
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THAT IS, UM, ACCESSED BY TWO SEPARATE FLOORS ON THE, UM, WEST, I'M SORRY, LEMME GET MY BEARINGS.THE WEST SIDE, UM, WHICH IS WHAT I KNOW TAYLOR'S TRYING TO PULL UP THERE.
SORRY, IT'S NOT SHOWING THE, UM, THE IMAGES ON THE SLIDES.
I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT I CAN GO THROUGH WHAT THE IMAGE IS RIGHT THERE.
THAT, THAT IS THE, UH, THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE BUILDING, WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE.
IT'S, UH, ACTUALLY ENTERS ONTO THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE, UH, CUSTOMER ENTRANCE, UM, THE MAIN ENTRANCE OTHER THAN EMPLOYEES.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THAT, THAT AREA IS TO IMPROVE THE ENTRY CAN CONSTRUCT A CANTILEVERED ENTRY CANOPY, UM, WHICH YOU SEE THERE ON THAT TOP LEFT, THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
IT HAS A, UH, THE EASE BRANDED SUNFLOWER YELLOW EYEBROW, UM, TUBE STEEL FINISH.
AND THEN SOME, UM, HAT CLAD WOOD APPEARANCE CLADDING ON THE EXTERIOR FACADE AT THE ENTRANCE.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT AREA, THERE'S A EXTERIOR PATIO ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN QUITE SEE ON THAT SLIDE, BUT I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PACKET THERE.
UM, THERE'S AN EXISTING ONE STORY CONFERENCE ROOM WITH STOREFRONT WINDOWS, AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT A ROOFTOP PATIO OUT THERE FROM ACCESSIBLE FROM THE THIRD FLOOR.
UM, ALL MATERIALS TO MATCH EXISTING IFAS STOREFRONT WINDOWS AND COPING TO, UH, MATCH EXISTING.
I KNOW THAT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL WITH, WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFF TO DEVELOP THOSE PLANS AND SUBMIT, UM, EXACTLY THE MATERIALS TO BE, TO MATCH EXISTING MATERIALS.
UM, THEN NEXT SLIDE WOULD BE THE ENTRYWAY FOR THE EMPLOYEE ENTRANCE, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH ENTERS ON THE, UM, NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, A CANTILEVERED ENTRY CANOPY WITH THE EASE SUNFLOWER YELLOW EYEBROW FINISH, UH, ON TUBE STEEL AND ADDITIONAL CLADDING.
UM, AND THEN THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS IS A, UM, A PAVILION THAT WE WANT TO CONSTRUCT OUT ON THE CONCRETE PATIO THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, LESS THAN 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
IT IS A, UM, STEEL STRUCTURE PAINTED BLACK.
THERE'S FLETCH BEAMS, WHICH, UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, IT'S A, IT'S A T STEEL SECTION WITH WOOD TWO BY FOURS, BASICALLY NAILED TO EACH SIDE TO GIVE THAT WOOD LOOK.
THE, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF NEEDS TO BE STEEL STRUCTURE, UM, BUT THERE'S A WOOD-LIKE APPEARANCE.
THERE'S THE SAME CLADDING THAT WE WANT TO ADD TO THE ENTRANCE CAN ENTRANCE AREAS, UM, WITH THE WOOD FINISH.
UM, AND THEN A STANDING SEA PARTIAL COVERED ROOF, UM, FOR THAT AREA.
THERE'S A COUPLE ADDITIONAL SLIDES.
UM, WE RECEIVED STAFF'S COMMENTS AS FAR AS SOME CONDITIONAL APPROVALS, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THEM TO PROVIDE 'EM WITH MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AS WE DEVELOP.
BUT, UM, AS YOUR ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT HAD DETAILED IN HIS MARK FORS LETTER, UM, HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS LASTING DURABILITY, THE, THE PAINT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A TWO COAT LUXAR SHERWIN WILLIAMS PAINT.
UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH AS THE DESIGN DEVELOPS, BUT, UH, IT CAN BE ASSURED WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY DURABLE MATERIAL.
UM, AS PETER EXPLAINED, BRANDING, THIS IS EASES HEADQUARTERS, UM, AND VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR CLIENT EASE LOGISTICS AND TO DUBLIN COMMUNITY ITSELF.
UM, SO SOME, SOME INSTALLATION, UM, OF THAT PACK CLAD.
I KNOW THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A LARGER MATERIAL.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A SMALL SAMPLE.
UM, UNABLE TO GET THAT FROM THE MANUFACTURER ON SHORT, SUCH SHORT NOTICE, BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING THROUGH THAT AND SEEING IF WE CAN OBTAIN A, A LARGER PIECE OF MATERIAL FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN JUST SOME ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS FOR YOU.
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CONFIRMING WE'LL GO TO STAFF PRESENTATION AT THIS POINT.AND I THINK, I THINK THE WAY WE'LL DO THIS IS STAFF WILL FINISH, WE'LL DO STAFF QUESTIONS, THEN APPLICANT QUESTIONS, DELIBERATION, PUBLIC COMMENT, ET CETERA.
SO, APPROVAL OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS A THREE STEP PROCESS WITH AN ADDITIONAL FOURTH STEP FOR AN EVENT, FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IF AMENDMENTS TO A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN ARE PROPOSED.
THE SITE IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF PERIMETER DRIVE AND DISCOVERY BOULEVARD AND A ZONE PLAN COMMERCE DISTRICT PERIMETER CENTER LOCATED WITHIN SUB AREA C.
SO THE PROPOSED SITE AND BUILDING MODIFICATIONS MEET THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND CODE WITH SEVEN RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
OVER THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'M GONNA EXPLAIN, UM, THE CONDITIONS AND JUST SHARE SOME IMPORTANT NOTES ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
SO THE SITE PLAN HERE SHOWS THE CONVERSION OF EXISTING PARKING SPACES INTO A D A SPACES.
THE APPLICANT HAS CONFIRMED THAT PARKING WILL NOT BE MODIFIED WITH THIS REQUEST, SO THIS NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE PLAN THAT'S SHOWN.
ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ENGINEERING AT PERMITTING TO DEMONSTRATE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT COMPLIANCE.
AND AS MENTIONED BY THE APPLICANT STAFF REQUESTED A MATERIAL REVIEW FROM OUR ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT, MARK FORD AT FORD AND ASSOCIATES REGARDING THE WOOD LOOK, METAL CANOPY SOFFIT, AND THE WALL PANELS, WHICH ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN BLUE.
HIS ANALYSIS SUPPORTS THE USE OF THESE MATERIALS FOR THIS PROJECT.
HOWEVER, THE TYPE OF METAL MATERIAL AND THICKNESS OF THE WALL PANEL, UH, NEEDS TO BE CONFIRMED AND PROVIDED TO STAFF.
ADDITIONALLY, THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED THAT INFORMATION REGARDING THE QUALITY AND THE LONGEVITY OF THE BUILDING PAINT COLOR BE PROVIDED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AS WELL.
AND ANY MA MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE ROOFTOP PATIO WALLS AS MENTIONED BY THE APPLICANT, UM, WERE NOT INCLUDED WITH THE SUBMISSION, SO WE WILL NEED TO, UM, REVIEW AND APPROVE THOSE AS WELL.
UM, AND THOSE MATERIALS ARE PROPOSED TO MATCH THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, MATERIALS.
THE BOTTOM IMAGE HERE SHOWS A CLOSEUP OF THE WEST FACING WALL UNDERNEATH THE PAVILION MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE HIGH TOP COUNTER WHERE THE STOOLS ARE LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN THE TWO MAN DOORS ARE NEEDED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
AND FINALLY, FURNITURE SPECIFICATIONS FOR ALL OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS ARE NEEDED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
ALL E F D P CRITERIA IS EITHER MET, MET WITH CONDITIONS OR NOT APPLICABLE, AND WITH THAT PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH SEVEN CONDITIONS.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? TAYLOR, JUST A, A QUICK QUESTION.
ARE WE REQUIRED TO APPROVE THE OUTDOOR FURNITURE BECAUSE THAT BUILDING IS CONSIDERED AN OPEN BUILDING? YES.
SO ALL THE OUTDOOR FURNITURE AREAS, THERE'S A LOT OF OUTDOOR FURNITURE, UM, IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SPACES.
AND TYPICALLY WE DO HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW AND LOOK AT THOSE MATERIALS.
AND THEN IF NOT, IF THEY'RE NOT PROVIDED, UM, YOU KNOW, FOUR YEAR REVIEW, THEN WE TYPICALLY CONDITION THAT, UM, TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF.
AND THIS IS REALLY TO ENSURE THAT HIGH QUALITY FURNITURE AND MATERIALS ARE USED, UM, ON SITE AND THAT THEY ARE UV RESISTANT TO, YOU KNOW, SUNLIGHT AND JUST REALLY, UM, HIGH QUALITY MATERIAL.
BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A COVERED PATIO AND NOT A A, A BUILDING WITH PERMANENT WALLS.
'CAUSE IT'S AN OPEN SPACE THAT'S VISIBLE FROM YEAH, THE PUBLIC GROUND.
UH, JUST QUICKLY ON THAT NOTE, ARE, DO YOU, UM, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT, UH, THE DIFFERENT SEASONS OF, UM, OF IF IT NEEDS TO BE PUT AWAY, UH, DURING WINTER SINCE IT'S AN OPEN AND WHAT THAT LOOK LIKE FROM THE, FROM THE ROAD? THANK YOU.
UM, STEPH HAS NOT HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT 'CAUSE THEY HAVE NOT MADE THEIR FURNITURE SELECTIONS, UM, QUITE YET OR FINALIZED THOSE DETAILS.
UM, BUT AT THE MINIMUM, THEY DID PROVIDE FURNITURE PLANS JUST TO KIND OF SHOW WHAT THAT LAYOUT WILL LOOK LIKE.
UM, IT COULD BE THE EXPECTATION
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THAT IF THE FURNITURE WAS NOT OF A HIGH QUALITY MATERIAL AND YOU KNOW, DURABLE TO ALL SEASONS, THAT THAT WOULD BE PUT AWAY DURING THE WINTER MONTHS.UM, BUT OTHERWISE, IF THE WEATHER COULD OR THE FURNITURE COULD WITHSTAND, UH, WINTER WEATHER, THEY COULD PROBABLY LEAVE IT OUT.
QUESTION ON SPECIFICALLY, I GUESS I'M GOING TOWARDS THE STORM WATER COMPLIANCE.
IS THAT, THIS IS IN LARGE PART, I GUESS I'M GOING TO, IS THE PARKING LOT IS LARGELY AN EXISTING PARKING LOT.
NOTHING IS BEING REALLY ADJUSTED.
THERE ARE, ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PATIO OR WHAT? UH, WALK ME THROUGH THE TRIGGER THERE.
YEAH, SO THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS REALLY A CATCHALL, UM, FOR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE OUTSTANDING WHEN THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FOR BUILDING PERMITS AND IS CONTINUING TO COORDINATE WITH ENGINEERING.
ENGINEERING HAS SHARED WITH PLANNING STAFF THAT THEY HAVE NO CONCERNS, UM, REGARDING ANY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AT THIS TIME.
IS THERE ANYTHING TO ADD ABOUT THE EIGHT A D A, UH, ADDITIONAL SPACES, UH, ANY OTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT? THANK YOU.
UM, NO OTHER CONVERSATIONS OTHER THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO REMOVE ALL INSTANCES WHERE THAT WAS NOTED AND SHOWN ON PLANS.
THERE JUST HAPPENED TO BE ONE SITE PLAN THAT WAS MISSED.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT DID CONFIRM THAT NO PARKING IS BEING MODIFIED WITH THIS REQUEST.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE ON THE PATIO.
UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, UH, ABOUT THE THANKS.
ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE MATERIALS.
THE, IT'S A, IT'S A GIANT BUILDING TO BE PAINTED.
AND I, UM, UM, MS. ROUCH AND SHEAN CHARGE OF, UH, ENFORCEMENT ALSO.
UM, IS THERE, UH, IF IT STARTS LOOKING SHABBY, I HAVEN'T SEEN A PAINTED BUILDING THAT AFTER 10 YEARS DOESN'T START LOOKING, UM, UH, SHABBY.
IS THAT, UNLESS THEY'RE USING SOME KIND OF MIRACLE PAIN OR SOMETHING, UM, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, IS THERE ANY ENFORCEMENT OTHER THAN SENDING YOUR GUY OUT AND SAYING IT LOOKS BAD AND, AND CITING THEM TO GET IT REPAINTED? IT'S ALL, IT'S, IT'S, I I ASSUME IT'S, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT.
ALL THE GRAY IS PAINT, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S A LOT OF PAINT.
I MEAN, WE WOULD USE OUR STANDARD PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, UM, CODE TO ENSURE CODE, ENSURE THAT THAT'S MAINTAINED.
AND AGAIN, IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO MAINTAIN THEIR BUILDING BEING THAT THAT'S THEIR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, THE GOAL WOULD BE, THAT'S WHY THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM MARK FORD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PAINT COLOR IS A DURABLE PAINT COLOR, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CAN WITHSTAND THAT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT IT'S A DARKER COLOR.
SO, I MEAN, WE'RE ALL GONNA BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS WELL.
AND I, I READ THE CONSULTANTS REPORT ON THE METAL AND SO ON.
UM, AND SAME THING IF IT'S STARTS FADING, DENTING AND ALL THAT, IT CAN, I, I GUESS WE HAVE THE STANDARD PROCEDURE.
AND, AND, UH, YEAH, HE SEEMED, HIS ANALYSIS WAS THAT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE AND DURABLE FOR ITS USE.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT BEING USED EVERYWHERE ON THE BUILDING.
IT'S, YEAH, I READ THE ENGINEERS VERY SMALL SPOTS.
I GUESS IT'S OUR CONSULTANTS REPORT.
IT'S, YEAH, HE IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT I MM-HMM.
SO, AND THAT WOULD BE SAME THING.
THAT'S WHY I'M ENFORCEMENT WOULD TAKE CARE OF.
SO IF IT FOR SOME REASON IS DISINTEGRATING OR, AGAIN, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING, BUT YES, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT YEAH, THAT SOMETHING IS DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S MAINTAINED.
UH, QUESTION ABOUT PAINTING OF THE BUILDING.
UM, DOES THE, HI, DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY HISTORY OF RESALE VALUE? UH, IF THIS BUILDING WOULD GO UP FOR SALE, UM, WHERE SOMEONE WOULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, THAT IS COST PROHIBITED FOR US TO KEEP UP WITH THAT MAINTENANCE? IS THAT A CONCERN OR A CONVERSATION? NO PROBLEM.
NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BUT I WILL DEFER TO OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR FURTHER COMMENT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, YEAH, OURS IS, OUR ROLE IS REALLY LOOKING AT THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS MAINTAINED.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DON'T, UM, IT'S HARDER.
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NO, YOU'RE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.AND THE, UH, TIME OF, OF GIVING SO MUCH INFORMATION.
WE APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL TOO.
UM, UH, WE HEARD BACK THAT THE, UM, LIKE THE TONGUE AND GROOVE SYSTEM AND SO FORTH, UH, SEEMS ADEQUATE AND THAT'S LIKE A GOOD PRODUCT.
DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU ARE HIRING A TEAM THAT CAN INSTALL IT PROPERLY SO THAT THAT DOES NOT BECOME A PROBLEM? AND SO I GUESS I'M ASKING ABOUT THE NITTY GRITTY OF THINGS TO MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, TODAY IT'S HARD TO GET CREWS AND THINGS, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S THE, THE, THE PEOPLE.
WELL, I HOPE PETER SAYS YOU HIRE THE, UH, TEAM ON LINCOLN'S SIDE TO, TO DO THIS PROPERLY, BUT YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT IS A SYSTEM THAT NEEDS CERTIFIED INSTALLERS IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
AND SO WE WOULD, UM, REQUIRE OUR INSTALLERS TO BE CERTIFIED IN ORDER TO INSTALL THAT TYPE OF SYSTEM.
UM, BRIAN, MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
O OBVIOUSLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S A FAUX WOOD.
UM, DID YOU PERHAPS ENTERTAIN, OR WHY, WHY THE METAL, THE PAINTED METAL FOR THE FAUX WOOD? UM, I, I BELIEVE THE, UH, WE COULD NOT USE ACTUAL WOOD DUE TO THE BUILDING TYPE, UM, AND FIRE TREE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES INTO PLAY WITH THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE LOOKED AT A CLAD MATERIAL, UM, SUCH AS THE PAT CLAD.
UM, I KNOW MARK, MARK FORD WE'VE WORKED WITH PREVIOUSLY IN, IN THE PAST, WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH MARK.
UM, AND I KNOW HE, HE HAS USED AND SEEN THAT PRODUCT PREVIOUSLY.
AND BASED ON HIS RECOMMENDATIONS, HE, HE DOES, UM, HE IS AWARE THAT DURABILITY DOES RECOMMEND THIS AS A PRODUCT ALSO.
BUT BASICALLY IT CAME DOWN TO, WE INITIALLY LOOKED AT CONSTRUCTING THIS AS A WOOD STRUCTURE MM-HMM.
BUT, UH, WE DECIDED TO GO THAT ROUTE.
DID YOU, DID YOU BY CHANCE ENTERTAIN, I GUESS I'M GOING TO COMPOSITE, UH, COMPOSITE MATERIALS, RIGHT? THE, THE RESIN BASED FAUX WOODS? YEAH.
OUR ARCHITECTURAL TEAM LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FINISHES AND FELT THIS WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU.
UM, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HOW OFTEN YOU WOULD NEED TO REPAINT THE WHOLE ENTIRE BUILDING? AND IF SO, CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A LITTLE, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT THE PAINT THAT YOU WOULD USE? UH, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE CONVERSATION WITH THAT LATER, BUT, UH, JUST HERE TODAY.
SO WE HAVE, UH, DEVELOPED OUR PLAN SINCE OUR INITIAL SUBMITTAL TO THE, UH, AND, UH, REQUIRED DEADLINE FOR THE PACKET THAT IS IN YOUR HANDS RIGHT NOW.
PART OF OUR PRESENTATION IS WE HAVE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SHERWIN WILLIAMS, UM, FOR A HIGH QUALITY PAINT.
IT'S A, IT'S A LUXAR TWO COAT SYSTEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY OTHER, ANY MANUFACTURER, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SAY IT'S GOOD FOR THIS LONG BECAUSE IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SUNLIGHT EXPOSURE AND THE WEATHER EXPOSURE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT IT IS ONE OF THEIR TOP QUALITY, UM, TYPE OF PAINT FINISHES.
UM, COMMERCIAL PAINTER WOULD INSTALL IT.
UM, AGAIN, WE, WE USE HIGH QUALITY, UM, INSTALLERS, HIGH QUALITY SUBCONTRACTORS TO DO THAT, BUT THAT, THAT MATERIAL WILL BE PROVIDED WITH, UM, TWO STAFF.
IT JUST WASN'T READY DEVELOPED BY THE TIME WE WE HAD SUBMITTED.
BUT, UH, YEAH, WE, IT'S A TWO QUOTE, TWO COAT, AS I MENTIONED, LUXAR, IT'S AN ACRYLIC PAINT, UM, WHICH IS HIGH, HIGHER DUR DURABILITY, UM, HIGHER QUALITY THAN, UM, JUST TYPICAL PAINT FINISH.
MR. FORD DID MENTION THAT IF YOU CHOSE A LIGHTER COLOR, THEN UH, IT WOULDN'T FADE, POSSIBLY FADE AS EASILY.
YOU ALL FEEL THAT THAT MAY NOT BE A PROBLEM.
NO, WE, UM, AND I, I APPRECIATE MR. FORD'S COMMENT ON THAT.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE SOME POSITIVE AND NEGATIVES TO A, UM, DARKER VERSUS A LIGHTER FINISH.
AND, UH, I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO BRANDING.
WE LOOKED AT IT, WE, WE LIGHTENED IT A LITTLE BIT THEN, UH, DARK BLACK, WHICH WAS ENTERTAINED INITIALLY, UM, AND WENT WITH THE GRIDDLE GRAY FINISH.
AND, UH, IT JUST PART OF THE EASE BRAND.
LASTLY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, UM,
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WHY THE SUNFLOWER YELLOW WAS CHOSEN.UH, THAT IS OUR, UH, LOGO, COLOR AND, UH, FREE LOGO MAKER.COM SUGGESTED IT WAS THE BEST COLOR AT THE TIME WHEN I DESIGNED IT A DECADE AGO.
UM, AND THEN WE KIND OF STUCK WITH US.
BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE BRAND.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THEY'RE ALL VALID QUESTIONS, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT, UH, LIKE WE MENTIONED, WE OWN AND OPERATE OUR OTHER FACILITIES ON AVERY ROAD, AND WE ALSO, UH, HIRE OUR OWN MAINTENANCE CREWS, FULL-TIME FACILITY MANAGERS, RIGHT? UM, I'M VERY O C D ABOUT HOW OUR THINGS LOOK FROM THE FURNITURE BEING OUTSIDE TO THE PAINT COLORS.
UH, I BROUGHT UP THE, THE PANEL THINNESS AS WELL, AND THE STRUCTURAL MEETINGS, RIGHT? SO I'M VERY, UH, WE ARE ALL VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT HOW OUR BUILDINGS LOOK.
UM, I CAN ASSURE YOU, UH, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE BUILDING, WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE BUILDING.
WE'RE NOT GOING OUTTA STATE, AND IT'LL BE OUTTA SIGHT, OUTTA MIND.
UM, I LIVE HERE, SO MAKING I DRIVE BY IT, YOU ALL DRIVE BY IT EVERY DAY TOO.
UM, ON THE WAY HERE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE EXTERIOR, HOW IT LOOKS, WILL, IS A FOR FOCUS THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE IT IS HERE.
IT'S, TO ME, IT'S A PINNACLE, UM, BUILDING HERE.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS, UH, WITH THE GRAY COLORS AND ALL THAT, WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST.
BUT IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT OTHER BUILDINGS, WE INVEST AND UNDERSTAND WHAT COMES WITH THAT, RIGHT? UH, THE YIELD IS A BRAND THAT ATTRACTS THE WORKFORCE WE WANT, AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY PRESENCE.
SO THEY'RE ALL GREAT QUESTIONS.
THEY'RE ALL QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE ALSO ADDRESSED.
UM, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WHEN WE INVEST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A $30 MILLION PROJECT FOR US THAT WILL CREATE, UH, ALMOST 350 MORE POSITIONS.
I, I CAN ATTEST TO, UH, EASE AS A CLIENT.
ALSO, THEY, THEY DO WANT HIGH QUALITY, UM, HIGH QUALITY, HIGH FINISHES MATERIAL.
SO IT'S, UH, CHALLENGING AT TIMES, BUT IT'S A GOOD, THEY, THEY ARE REALLY RESPECTIVE OF WHAT THEY WANT AND, UH, THE QUALITY OF IT.
MR. FISHMAN, I'M, ARE YOU LEANING, LEANING IN? UM, WELL, I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS.
WE WILL LEAN INTO DELIBERATIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THANK YOU, MR. SNARE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD US OFF? OFF? HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO LEAD US OFF.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, OH, THERE YOU GO.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE BUILDING MATERIALS, I AM, I'M, I'M ABSOLUTELY FINE.
UM, DEFERRING TO OUR CONSULTANT AND STAFF, THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT ON A CONSULTANT FOR, PARTICULARLY FOR BUILDING MATERIALS.
UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT BUILDING.
IT'S A GREAT SITE, AND I AM SURE YOU WILL ENHANCE IT AND MAINTAIN IT.
SO, UM, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
MR. FISHMAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS AT ALL.
I, I JUST HEARD YOUR ASSURANCES THAT YOU WOULD KEEP THE BUILDING LOOKING GREAT, AND, UM, UM, I, I THINK IT LOOKS FINE.
THANK YOU, MS. HERDING, THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND ALSO, UH, FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I AGREE WITH MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I AM REALLY HAPPY TO SEE HOW YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT YOUR EMPLOYEES, UM, WHAT IT'S LIKE TO WALK IN THERE, WHAT IT'S LIKE TO WORK THERE.
UM, AND I THINK YOU'VE BROUGHT A VERY NICE PROJECT.
WELL, I'M STILL WRITING MY NOTES.
UM, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY ARE PRIVY TO AND ALERT TO AND AWARE OF, UM, EASE AND, UH, YOUR GROWTH HERE IN DUBLIN.
UM, THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO MAKE THIS HOME, UH, THIS BUILDING, THIS FIVE SERER FIVE FORMER FIVE SERVE BUILDING.
DEFINITELY NEEDS HELP, NEEDS SOME LOVE YOU.
YOUR, YOUR BRAND PALETTE IS, UH, ALWAYS STRIKING WHEN IT GETS INTO THE MIX, RIGHT? UM, GOOD BLEND OF, GOOD BLEND OF STUFF.
YELLOW IS USED IN APPROPRIATE DOSES, UH, THAT MAKES IT TASTEFUL AND, AND NOT PROBLEMATIC.
UH, THE ADDED EXTERIOR SPACES ARE DELIGHTFUL, RIGHT? FOR ANY,
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ANY, UH, WORKING ENVIRONMENT.MY TWO, UH, MY TWO CONCERNS IN ALL THIS, AND HAPPY TO HAVE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UM, GIVE ME MORE COLOR COMMENTARY ON THIS.
ONE IS THE, MAYBE THE LANGUAGE IN NUMBER SIX IN PARTICULAR, CONDITION NUMBER SIX, WHICH, WHICH I THINK IS AFTER AN UNDERSTANDING OF COATS AND SPECS, BUT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT JUST ASKS FOR UN UH, UNDERSTANDING OF THE PAINT COLOR, WHICH THE COLOR IS ONE ASPECT OF THE PAINT, BUT EVERYTHING, AND THEY'RE ON IT IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE NAILING WHAT IT'S, WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING FROM THEM.
SO I COULD, COULD PROVE PROBLEMATIC.
I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A PAINT SPECK AND COATS AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
SO I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME LANGUAGE ADJUSTMENT THERE.
THE OTHER CONCERN IS THE FAUX WOOD.
UM, FAUX WOODS CAN BE WONDERFUL.
UM, THEY ALSO CAN BE SUSPECT IS, IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MINI MITIGATE THAT QUITE AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? UM, PART OF IT IS, PART OF IT IS, UH, MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT COLLECTIVE DISCOMFORT.
EVERYONE ARTICULATED SOMETHING ABOUT THE THINNESS, AND IS THAT RIGHT IN THE LOCATION WHERE RIGHT, YOUR LAWNMOWERS MIGHT ACTUALLY HIT THIS.
UM, THERE COULD BE, THERE COULD BE, UH, SNOW SHOVELS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
IS THAT A CONCERN IN OF ITSELF? MY BROADER CONCERN IS FAUX WOODS HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK LIKE WOOD.
THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, AT SOME, AT SOME POINT, LOOK LIKE, LOOK LIKE A FAKE WOOD, RIGHT? AND THAT COMES IN PART WHEN THE, WHEN THE PATTERNS SCALES AND HOW DOES IT REPEAT AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE MATERIAL SWATCHES ARE ADEQUATE, UH, IN A CERTAIN REGARD, BUT I, BUT I THINK THERE'S A NEED TO SEE IT, AND MAYBE IT'S ALSO IN YOUR COURT TO SEE A FEW PIECES AT SCALE BEFORE WE FULLY COMMIT THIS WAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO SEE IT AGAIN, ASKING AS MUCH AS ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? BUT DO WE, DO WE ADD THAT CONDITION TO AT LEAST, UM, OR ADJUST THE LANGUAGE TO AT LEAST WORK WITH STAFF ON, ON THE FAUX WOODS IN PARTICULAR, PROVIDING SAMPLES AT SCALE AGREEABLE? I WOULD SUPPORT MODIFYING THE CONDITIONS FOR THAT.
SORRY, I MEANT, I MEANT TO ASK.
I WOULD ALSO, IF I COULD MAYBE CLARIFY FOR THE, RELATED TO THE FAUX WOOD PANEL, WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING YOUR EXPECTATIONS.
SO THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE THIS AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT.
WHAT IS, WHAT ARE YOU WANTING US TO JUDGE IT BASED ON? SO, I MEAN, THE PAINT, I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE MAKES SENSE.
I THINK WE COULD ADD SOMETHING ABOUT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S A HIGHLY DURABLE RIGHT? AND LONG LASTING.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, MAYBE FOR NUMBER SIX, THAT, THAT THEY NOT JUST PROVIDE IT, BUT WE MAKE SURE THAT THE SAMPLE THAT'S PROVIDED MEETS THAT LONGEVITY AND DURABILITY.
SO THEN WHAT I GUESS IS THE OBJECTIVE THAT YOU WANT US TO MAKE SURE IS BEING MET FOR THE WOOD PANEL, IF YOU CAN ARTICULATE THAT
COULD YOU, COULD YOU PULL UP THE CONDITION AS IT READS NOW? RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW IT, UM, READS AS THOUGH IT'S CONFIRMATION OF THE MATERIAL AND THICKNESS OF ONE OF THE TWO PANELS.
SO IT REFERS TO THICKNESS IN PARTICULAR.
THE, UM, CONCERN ABOUT SEEING IT AT SCALE IS ABOUT, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT THE BELIEVABILITY OF THE FAUX WOOD, WHICH YES.
UM, SO SIX TALKS ABOUT THE QUALITY AND LONGEVITY OF THE PAINT.
SO F FIVE JUST SAYS, OKAY, THAT'S THE MATERIAL AND THAT'S THE THICKNESS.
THAT'S IT IS WHAT YOU SAID IT IS, BUT IT DOESN'T GO TO THE QUALITATIVE ASPECTS OF IT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT IT'S, IT IS, IT'S
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IN STAFFS, IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE INTENDED USE.SOMETHING IS THAT, IS THAT, YEAH, WE COULD MAYBE ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
THEY PROVIDE, UM, THESE SAMPLES AT SCALE TO DETERMINE APPROPRIATE PATTERNING AND DESIGN OF THE WOOD.
YEAH, THE WOOD DESIGN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S YES THERE AND THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, JUST SAYING IT OPENLY, THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, IF, IF THEY GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE AND THEY SEE THAT IT'S PROBLEMATIC, THEY'LL WORK THROUGH, THEY DON'T WANT THAT EITHER, RIGHT? SO I JUST THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP HERE RELATIVE TO THE FOE WOODS THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF WE'RE, IF WE OR THE APPLICANT DETERMINED THAT IT'S NOT SATISFACTORY, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE AN ALTERNATIVE, OR YOU WANT TO SEE THAT BACK? OKAY.
I, I'M OKAY WITH AN ALTERNATIVE, YEAH.
AND THE, AND THE QUESTION JENNY ASKED WAS AN OR QUESTION.
SO ARE YOU HAPPY WITH STAFF, UH, DETERMINING THE ALTERNATIVE? OKAY.
DO WHAT? JEOPARDY MUSIC RIGHT NOW.
AND AT THE END OF THIS, WE WILL STILL END UP WITH SEVEN CONDITIONS, CORRECT.
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THANK YOU, TAYLOR.I'LL JUMP IN BEFORE LANCE
ALL RIGHT, DAD, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO DOWN THAT PATH,
UM, IT SHOULD BE AND PROVIDES SAMPLES 'CAUSE IT'S, APPLICANT PROVIDES SAMPLES.
TAKE THAT
I IMAGINE THEY ARE STILL AGREEABLE.
UM, DEFINITELY HERE ON THE CLAD, I CAN ASSURE YOU.
IF IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, I'LL GET TO IT FOR YOU ALL.
UM, JUST ON THE CLARITY OF THE PAINT, UM, WHEN IT SAYS, I'M JUST TRYING TO AVOID ADDITIONAL, AN ABUNDANCE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN OUR TEAM AND STAFF, UM, AND NOW THAT WE GOT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, UH, I'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT, I KNOW A LOT ABOUT SHARON WILLIAMS PAINT, UH, RECENTLY.
UM, THERE'S NO, THERE, IT'S HARD TO FIND.
I GUESS COULD WE GET BETTER EXPLANATION ON WHAT WOULD SATISFY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUALITY AND LONGEVITY? UH, I CAN ASSURE YOU, RIGHT? UH, UM, IT'S TO THE POINT OF IT FADING AND ALL THAT, WE'RE AWARE THAT WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAVE IN, YOU KNOW, FROM AN UPKEEP STANDPOINT IN NINE, 10 YEARS, WHAT DO YOU KNOW? I GUESS I, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
WHAT WOULD SATISFY THAT? SO WE, SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UH, EFFICIENTLY GO THROUGH THIS.
WE'RE GONNA PUT TWO COATS ON THERE.
WE CAN SHOW YOU THE DURABILITY, WE CAN GIVE EXAMPLES.
SHERWIN WILLIAMS ACTUALLY HARDLY ANY, NOWHERE DO THEY TALK ABOUT LONGEVITY OF PAINT ON A COMMERCIAL SCALE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SATISFYING THIS AND, UM, WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, BE THE ABILITY TO SATISFY IT WITH A CLEAR OBJECTIVE.
AND THAT, THAT'D BE MY ONLY ASK.
WE COULD GET BETTER CLARIFICATION ON WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM THAT.
I I, I'LL ASK A QUESTION THIS WAY AND, AND MAYBE IT'S, SO QUALITY IS A, QUALITY IS POTENTIALLY A RELATIVE SCALE.
UM, QUALITY IS A RELATIVE SCALE RELATIVE TO THE OPTIONS OF, OF THE SPEC, RIGHT? THERE'S LOW QUALITY UP TO HIGH QUALITY.
UM, BUT TO HIS POINT, THERE MIGHT NOT BE A NUMERIC LONGEVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THEM AS MUCH AS I FEEL LIKE WE'VE ALL SEEN, RIGHT? AND AT LEAST IN THE RESIDENTIAL STORES, THE, YOU KNOW, FIVE STARS FOR LONGEVITY.
BUT THAT'S NOT INDICATIVE OF A PERFORMANCE SPEC AS MUCH AS IT IS A RELATIVE SCALE OF THIS IS OUR BEST PERFORMING IN THAT CATEGORY.
SO IS IS THE PROBLEMATIC WORD HERE, UH, LONGEVITY IN PARTICULAR? I THINK I, I THINK THE APPLICANT MAKES A GOOD POINT BECAUSE IT IS SUBJECTIVE.
THE, THE, THERE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN I, THERE'S, THERE'S A METRIC, BUT IT'S NOT ONE THAT IS EASILY ASCERTAINABLE WITH THAT.
LAB TESTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO QUALITY, I'M, I'M FINE WITH STRIKING LONGEVITY AND JUST KEEPING QUALITY IF THE STAFF, IF, IF THAT'S, IF STAFF, DOES THAT GET US THERE, PETER? YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
JUST BECAUSE IT IS SUBJECTIVE AND, UM, YES, THE QUALITY FOR SURE.
AND I, AND I THINK ULTIMATELY THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE, AND TO, TO THE POINT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, A PROFESSIONAL, A PROFESSIONAL WILL SPEC IT WELL FOR THAT BUILDING THERE, YOU HEARD, YOU HEARD CONCERN ABOUT THAT BUILDING AND THE PAINT COAT GOING ON IT.
AND, UM, IF IT'S DONE POORLY, IT'LL BE PROBLEMATIC, WHICH NOTHING YOU WANT EITHER.
BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER WITH THAT ASSURANCE, IS THAT THE SPEC IS APPROPRIATE
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AND, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, AN AGREEABLE QUALITY, WHICH BY DEFAULT LEADS TOWARDS LONGEVITY.BUT YEAH, REGARDING THE QUALITY IS SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY DELIVER ON AND APPLICATION AND HOW WE WILL APPLY TO THE BUILDING BASED ON ITS RECOMMENDED SPECS OF THE NUMBER OF COATS AND THE CONDITIONS.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEFINITELY SPEAK ON, I'M JUST, UH, TO THE, THE LONGEVITY IS SOMETHING THAT'S, I'M JUST THINK THAT WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH WITH AN UNCLEAR DELIVERABLE.
I THINK, I THINK YOUR POINT'S WELL TAKEN.
I THINK WHAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE IS THAT 10, 20 YEARS FROM NOW DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BUILDING.
I CAN TAKE YOU TO JUST SOUTH OF US THAT SHABBY LOOKING AND, AND THE PAINT IS FADED AND THE PAINT IS PEELING AND THE, THE, THE METAL PANELS OR UH, UH, UH, DIFFERENT COLORS DEPENDING ON HOW THE SUN HIT 'EM.
SO IF YOU, I, I THINK IF YOU, YOU PUT IN THE, UH, RECORD THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THE BUILDING LOOKS SHARP AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S A GREAT EFFORT.
SO, AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT WOULD BUMP INTO THE MAINTENANCE CURVE.
AND, AND SO YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE PAY, THEY, THEY TELL YOU IT'S 40 YEARS, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT.
AND SO, UM, WHATEVER IT TAKES IT.
ALL WE'RE ASKING IS THE BUILDING'S MAINTAINED.
IT LOOKS AS SHARP 10 YEARS FROM NOW AS IT WILL AFTER YOU'VE PAINTED AND THE, THE, THE ALUMINUM WON'T BE FALLING OFF OR FADED OR, YOU KNOW, SO I, I GUESS IT IS, IT IS A BIG BUILDING.
AND I, UM, WE KNOW THAT, AGAIN, THE CHALLENGE IS GOING IN WHEN WE DO THIS, AND OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, THE ASSURANCE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE IMPORTANCE OF HOW WE LOOK.
I HAVE A TWO YEAR OLD THAT I ALSO WANT TO GRADUATE FROM DUBLIN SCHOOLS, SO I PLAN ON BEING HERE FOR A WHILE.
SO, UM, WE'LL BE HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE ON THIS BUILDING TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS GOOD.
UM, WE HAD, AGAIN, NO CONFIRMING, NO ADDITIONAL PR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN, AND WITH THAT, I THINK WE, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH SEVEN CONDITIONS AS SHOWN? SO MOVED.
THANK YOU KINDLY FOR ALL YOUR ATTENTION AND ENERGY INTO THE COMMUNITY AND IN THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
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UH, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE.UM, SO WE HAVE, WE DID OUR, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT OUR TOUR IN DETAIL, UM, TONIGHT, BUT WE DECIDED SINCE WE'RE MISSING THREE MEMBERS, THREE OF WHICH WERE ON, WENT ON THE TOUR LAST THURSDAY, UM, THAT WE WOULD WAIT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT THEN THAT ALSO AFFORDS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE WALKING TOUR PART, UM, WHICH IS SCHEDULED IN LIEU OF OUR NEXT MEETING ON OCTOBER THE FIFTH.
UM, SO THAT'S ON, IF YOU HAVE THE CHAIR AGENDA IN FRONT OF YOU, IT SHOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON THERE UNDER THE DISCUSSION PIECE OF THIS.
SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE THAT FROM FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30, AND WE'RE GONNA MEET AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY CALENDAR, AND DALE DRIVE NEAR TALLER FLATS.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE DATE AGAIN? I'M SORRY.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE? OCTOBER 5TH WHAT? OCTOBER THE FIFTH.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A MEETING HERE, WE WILL HAVE OUR MEETING, SHOULD I SCHEDULE DOWN THERE, UM, FIFTH, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION WALKING TOUR OF BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS. THEN AT OUR NOVEMBER MEETING, OCTOBER 5TH, 2023.
AND THEN MY ONLY OTHER TWO COMMUNICATIONS ARE, WHICH I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, UM, HERE NEXT WEEK, AT THE END OF THE WEEK IS THIS, UM, OUR STATE PLANNING CONFERENCE OPPORTUNITY.
SO JUDY HAS ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, UM, IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN ATTENDING, AND I KNOW A COUPLE PEOPLE ALREADY SIGNED UP, SO THAT'S GOOD.
UM, AND THEN OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING WILL BE OCTOBER THE 12TH.
I THOUGHT THIS WENT WELL WITH THE PRESENTATION, SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
DO WE HAVE TO, WELL, WE CAN KEEP TRYING.
SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE DISCUSS THAT AT ALL OR? YEAH, I MEAN, WAIT, WAIT FOR MORE OF A, A LARGER GROUP TO YEAH, MAYBE TRY IT A COUPLE TIMES AND THEN SEE WE TALKED ABOUT, OR ZACH AND I WERE TEXTING ABOUT GETTING A CLICKER SO THE APPLICANT CAN CONTROL THEIR PRESENTATION AT THEIR SPEED FOR THE NEXT TIME.
SO AGAIN, WE'LL WORK OUT SOME KINKS HERE, BUT I THINK THAT ACTUALLY WORKS NICELY TO LET THEM SHARE THEIR PROJECT AND THEN WE GIVE OUR ANALYSIS.
YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT WORKED OUT NICELY.
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ALSO, UM, I THOUGHT THE APPROPRIATELY ABBREVIATED STAFF PRESENTATION FOR THE CIRCUMSTANCES.I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO USE THE SAME AS, YOU KNOW, SAME BLUEPRINT, SAME TEMPLATE FOR EVERY MM-HMM.
AND SOME ARE GONNA BE MORE DETAILED THAN OTHERS.
THESE ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD TONIGHT.
SO ON OUR UPCOMING AGENDAS, WE HAVE SOME BIGGER PROJECTS, SO WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE MORE STAFF COMMENTS AND ANALYSIS BECAUSE THEY'RE LARGER SCALE PROJECTS, SO MM-HMM.
BEFORE REDIRECTING BACK TO APPLICANT WORKS REALLY NICELY TOO.
AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF, I'M GONNA SAY CODE OR PERFORMATIVE.
THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE GO TO THEM, SO.
UH, WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.