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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE OR ACCESS VIA THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES AT THIS TIME.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR THANK YOU, MS. BEAL.
WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. SNARE? HERE.
MR. WE HERE? THANK YOU, MS. BEAL.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND ALSO APPROVE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 10TH, 2023 MEETING.DO I HAVE A MOTION? SOMO? THANK YOU MR. AK.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATINUM PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM THE APPLICANT FOR CASE 23 DASH 84 WOOD SPRING SUITES INFORMAL REVIEW, HAS REQUESTED TO WITHDRAW THEIR APPLICATION.
THE APPLICATION WILL NO LONGER BE HEARD DURING THE MEETING THIS EVENING.
THERE IS ONE CASE ELIGIBLE TONIGHT FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THAT IS CASE 23 DASH 0 65 TOPIARY PARK AT PARTIAL IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 2 73 DASH 12 9 12 AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
DOES ANYONE FROM THE COMMISSION WISH TO HAVE THESE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES, MR. WE HAS REQUESTED THAT THEY WILL BE REMOVED.
WE WILL REMOVE THEM AND HANDLE THEM.
IN TURN, ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASES, WILL YOU PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU.
[Case #23-065]
WE WILL MOVE ON TO CASE 23 DASH 0 65.THIS IS TOPIARY PARK PARTIAL IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 2 73 DASH 12 9 2 AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE'RE KEEPING MR. ELL ON HIS TOES TODAY.
THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR SITE AND LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AT AN EXISTING OPEN SPACE PARCEL.
THIS APPROXIMATELY 0.4 ACRE SITE IS ZONE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT RESIDENTIAL AND IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTIONS OF DALE DRIVE WITH TOLER RIDGE DRIVE MISSING.
I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR CASE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE SITE IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF DALE DRIVE AND LER RIDGE DRIVE.
THE SITE IS ZONE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT RESIDENTIAL.
THE 0.39 ACRE PARCEL WAS CREATED IN 2015 WITH AN EXTENSION OF LER RIDGE DRIVE TO RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
THERE IS AN EXISTING PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY ALONG THE LER RIDGE DRIVE AND ALONG THE NORTHEAST SIDE CONNECTING TO SMORE RIDGE.
THIS IS THE BRIS STREET DISTRICT PROCESS.
DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE IS GENERALLY A THREE-STEP PROCESS WITH FOUR STEP IF AMENDMENTS TO AN APPROVED F T P ARE REQUIRED.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS A FINAL ROOFING BODY FOR ANY F T P DETERMINATION.
IF THE CASE IS APPROVED TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH STAFF ON CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IF APPLICABLE, AND THEN APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.
THIS IS A QUICK HISTORY OF THE SITE.
IN APRIL, 2021, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BLOCKCHAIN, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN YELLOW.
THE SITE WAS APPROVED AS A DOCK PARK TO MEET THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR BLOCK G.
IT IS SHOWN IN TRIANGLE ON THE TOP LEFT.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVES THE PARK SIZE WAIVER TO, TO DESIGNATE THE 0.39 ACRES SITE AS A PARK WHERE CODE REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF TWO ACRES.
SENIOR ARE THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS LOOKING AT THE NORTH EAST AND THE EAST AND THE WEST, SORRY.
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THE PLAN HERE SHOWS EXISTING UTILITIES AND UTIL UTILITY STRUCTURES ON THE SITE.THERE ARE NUMEROUS UNDERGROUND AND ABOVEGROUND UTILITIES.
UTILITY STRUCTURES INCLUDE AN ELECTRICAL SWITCH CABINET, COMMUNICATION PEDESTALS, AND MANY MORE.
AS LISTED HERE ON THE SCREEN, THERE IS A CATCH BASIN LOCATED NEAR THE CENTER OF THE SITE AND ALONG THE, AND THERE ARE ALONG, THERE ARE TWO SOILS ALONG, ONE ALONG THE DALE DRIVE AND ONE ALONG THE NORTHERN PART OF THE SITE.
THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES INCLUDE ELECTRIC LINES, STORM SEA LINES, SANITARY SEA LINES, AND FEW MORE AS LISTED HERE ON THE SCREEN.
BECAUSE OF THE NUMEROUS CONSTRAINTS ON THE SITE, THE DOCK PARK WITH THE ARTIFICIAL TURF AND OTHER ADDITIONS PROVED UNBUILDABLE.
THE APPLICANT IS THUS REQUESTING A TOPIARY PARK WITH A MINIMAL DISTURBANCE TO THE SITE.
HERE ARE THE UTIL UTILITIES, WHICH ARE ABOVE THE GROUND.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH THREE DISTINCTIVE TOPIARIES, EACH AVOIDING UTILITIES AND OTHER OBSTACLES.
THESE TOPIARIES ARE SURROUNDED BY PLANT BEDS WITH LAWN THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
THE TOPIARIES WILL INSTALLED IN COLLABORATION WITH FRANKLIN CONSERVATORY.
IN ADDITION TO THE TOPIARIES, APPLICANT PROPOSES THREE POCKETS OF SIX FEET PAVER PARTS ALONG WITH BENCHES FOR PUBLIC USE.
A COMPACTED GRAVEL WALKWAY ALONG WITH THE BENCHES IS PROPOSED ALONG THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.
APPLICANT PROPOSES TO USE CANOPY OF TREES ALONG THE SOUTHEAST CORNER ALONG WITH THE BIKE RACK.
IT SHOWS THE TREE AND THE PLANT DIVERSITY THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
THE CREATIVE LANDSCAPING IS PROVIDED ADDING TO THE FOUR SEASONS OF VIRTUAL INTEREST.
LISTED HERE ARE THE BUILDING MATERIALS.
APPLICANT PROPOSES TO USE
THE BENCHES ARE PROPOSED TO BE PIANO KEYING BENCHES ALONG WITH BIG PAVER WALKWAY AND GENERATION 50 BENCH NEAR THE COMPACTED GRAVEL WALKWAY, ARD AND UPLIGHTS ARE PROPOSED TO BE IN BRONZE COLORS.
BOTH THE LIGHTING AND BENCHES ARE FROM LANDSCAPE FORMS. THESE ARE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN CRITERIA.
MOST OF THESE CONDITIONS ARE EITHER MET OR MET WITH CONDITIONS OR THEY'RE NOT APPLICABLE.
PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
APPLICANT TO WIDEN THE BRICK PAPER PATH TO SIX FEET THROUGHOUT AT BUILDING PERMIT APPLICANT TO PROVIDE STREET TREES ALONG DALE DRIVE AND TALL RIDGE DRIVE, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY ENGINEERING APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF OR BIKE REC RECOMMENDATIONS AT BUILDING PERMIT APPLICANT TO PROVIDE TRASH RECEPTACLES ALONG WITH BENCHES TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF AND BUILDING PERMIT AND APPLICANT TO WORK WITH INJURING IF REQUIRED TO DEMONSTRATE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AT BUILDING PERMIT.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
APPLICANT IS IN ATTENDANCE TODAY AND WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED.
THANK YOU MS. UH, LOOKING TO MR. WANG? YES, THANK YOU.
UH, THANKS FOR THAT PRESENTATION AGAIN.
I WOULD, I I I CALLED IT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA 'CAUSE I WAS JUST REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE WENT FROM A DOG PARK TO A TOPIARY PARK AND, UM, I THINK WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS BEAUTIFUL.
UM, AND I, AND I'M NOT AGAINST IT.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW DID WE GET THERE? AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH CONSTRAINTS ON THE SITE THAT PREVENTED A DOG PARK.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PART I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.
IS IT, DO THE UNDERGROUND CONSTRAINTS AND THE ABOVEGROUND CONSTRAINTS PREVENT YOU FROM PUTTING THE FENCE IN? OR WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL EXISTING CONSTRAINTS CAUSING NOT TO BE ABLE TO DO A DOG PARK? YEAH, SO THE ARTIFICIAL TURF WAS MAJOR CONCERN AND ALONG WITH THE PATH.
SO THAT WAS INCREASING THE IMPERVIOUS AREAS AND THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WOULD HAVE TRIGGERED IN THAT CASE, AND THEY WERE NOT, IT WAS NOT SUITABLE FOR THAT SITE TO PROVIDE STORM WATER ALONG WITH THAT CAPACITY OF IMPERVIOUS AREAS AND THE ARTIFICIAL TURF IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE, THE ARTIFICIAL TURF WOULD HAVE CAUSED A LOT OF DISTURBANCE TO THE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND.
SO THAT WAS ONE ANOTHER REASON.
SO, SO, UH, WHEN WE APPROVED THIS AS A DOG PARK, UM, WHENEVER THAT WAS, UH, MANY MONTHS AGO, UM, I THINK EVERYBODY RECOGNIZED THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY A NEED IN THIS AREA FOR A FACILITY LIKE THAT.
SO I, I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION TO STAFF IS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OF REPLACING THE CONCEPT OF A DOG PARK SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THIS VICINITY?
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UM, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.AND I DO RECALL THAT BEING SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED AND MAYBE, I THINK DON IS HERE FROM DON BROGAN WITH CRAWFORD HOING.
THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THEM TO TALK THROUGH.
TO YOUR POINT, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE KNOW WHY THIS IS BEING PROPOSED IN LIEU OF THAT AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THEIR RESIDENTS AS THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST CLOSELY IMPACTED BY THIS.
SO, SO WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK.
YEAH, I CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS TO THE A ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, IF WE CAN INVITE THE APPLICANT UP, WELL, WELCOME
DOM BROGAN, UH, I APOLOGIZE TO YOUR MICROPHONE IF YOU COULD.
UH, DOM BROGAN, CRAWFORD HOY, UH, 66 40 RIVERSIDE DRIVE, DUBLIN.
UM, SO THE, WHEN IT CAME TO THE DOG PARK, UM, WE, WE WERE, WE'VE BEEN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR TWO YEARS.
UM, AND, UH, WITH WORK WITH E M H AND T, AND THE ANSWER IS, COULD WE BUILD THE DOG PARK? WE COULD.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THE, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE THE, THE GRADING CREATES MANY ISSUES.
THE UTILITIES ARE VERY SHALLOW.
UM, WE JUST KEPT, WE JUST KEPT GETTING IT AND JUST RUNNING INTO OBSTACLES ON, UH, WHERE WE COULD PUT CERTAIN THINGS WHERE WE COULD, LIKE, WE COULDN'T EVEN DIG AND PUT PLANTS IN CERTAIN AREAS WHERE WE'D JUST BE DIGGING INTO UTILITIES.
SO IT, IT RE REALLY BECAME, UH, IT'S JUST A NUMBER OF OBSTACLES.
UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON WHERE WE GOT, HOW WE GOT THERE, UM, FROM WHERE WE STARTING WITH THE DOG PARK THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE SERIES OF OBSTACLES, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE CAME IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO AND GOT THIS APPROVED.
UH, A LOT HAS ALSO HAPPENED, UH, OVER THOSE TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT OF, OF THE BAILEY, THE F BLOCK, UH, AND WITH THAT, UM, AS WE KEPT WORKING THROUGH THIS DESIGN AND THESE, THIS DOG PARK, UH, F BLOCK KEPT BEING DEVELOPED AND THINGS STARTED COMING INTO PLAY THERE.
SO WE KIND OF, IT KIND OF GAVE US A CHANCE TO STEP BACK AND SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE.
AND DOES IT MAKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO TIE THE, THIS PARK INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING ON F BLOCK? UH, SO, UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, I, WE HAVE A, UH, AN IMAGE THAT WE CREATED.
SO ON F BLOCK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER ON F BLOCK, BUT ON THE, THE SOUTH, UM, EAST CORNER, THERE IS A PARK A LITTLE, THERE'S A PUBLIC AREA THERE.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A DESIRE TO HAVE ART, UH, THROUGHOUT BRIDGE PARK.
SO WHERE THE A IS THAT, THAT IS, WAS PROPOSED AND APPROVED AS PART OF F BLOCK.
AND, UH, THAT IS A, THAT'S A PUBLIC SPACE WITH ROTATING.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH DUB DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL TO HAVE ROTATING ART IN THERE.
AND THEN AS, AS YOU WALK ALONG DALE, WE'VE GOT THESE LIGHTED BOLLARDS, UM, DIFFERENT COLORS TO JUST KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A NICE EXPERIENCE TO WALK ALONG DALE.
AND THEN AS YOU WALK DOWN FURTHER, DALE, UM, G BLOCK, UH, THE G OFFICE, UM, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, ANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN IT IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A LITTLE GEM OF BRIDGE PARK.
THIS LITTLE POCKET PARK THAT'S, THAT'S TUCKED BACK IN, UH, IN THAT, THAT, THAT LITTLE POCK POCKET PARK.
BUT THERE'S THIS, THIS HUGE, UH, SCRIM ART ON THE GARAGE AND THEN INSIDE THERE AS WELL.
AND THE CONNECTOR IS A, UH, A MURAL THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN AS ALSO IT'S HAPPENED SINCE THE TIME THIS IS APPROVED, UM, THE, UH, THE ART STUDIO, UH, IS NOW IN THE GARAGE.
UM, SO HE DOES A GREAT JOB OF ACTIVATING THAT SPACE.
THE GARAGE DOORS ARE UP, THERE'S ART BEING DISPLAYED.
SO WHAT WHAT WE STARTED THINKING IS, THIS IS REALLY KIND OF TURNING INTO A NICE WALKING EXPERIENCE WITH, WITH ART
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EXPERIENCES ALL DOWN DALE AVENUE.AND DALE RIGHT NOW, UM, IS, IS MORE OF A THOROUGHFARE ROAD, BUT, UM, WHERE A AND B IS SHOWN LIKE JUST ACROSS THE STREET THERE, UM, WE CALL THAT J BLOCK.
UM, BUT WE'VE, WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT J BLOCK AS WELL, SO THAT STREET'S GONNA GET PULLED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S JUST GONNA BECOME A VERY NICE WALKABLE STREET.
AND SO WE THOUGHT, UM, RUSS HUNTER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW RUSS HUNTER, BUT HE'S ON THE BOARD OF FRANKLIN PARK CONSERVATORY.
SO HE WENT ON A RETREAT AS WITH THE BOARD AND JUST WALKED THESE DIFFERENT SPACES IN THESE STREETS AND, UM, CAME BACK WITH THIS IDEA, THIS, THIS THOUGHT.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE'VE GOT THIS PARK THAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH TO MAKE WORK IN MY, THIS WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO TERMINATE AND, AND CREATE MORE ART.
AND, AND YOU JUST HAVE A VERY NICE WALKABLE STREET THAT YOU'VE GOT THESE GREAT EXPERIENCES.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE ENDED UP WITH.
AND SO HE LIKE WORKING WITH FRANKLIN PARK CONSERVATORY, THEY HAVE A, A, UM, A PERSON WHO ACTUALLY LEARNED TO MAKE THESE THINGS.
UH, HE JUST STARTED TAKING PIPE AND BENDING THEM AND, AND HE JUST LEARNED ON HIS OWN.
UM, SO THEY, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DISPLAY.
SO IT'S, IT JUST GOT HIM TO THINKING IT'S LIKE, THIS WOULD BE A PERFECT PLACE TO DO A TOPIARY PARK AND THAT DALE AVENUE WOULD JUST BE A GREAT WALKING ART STREET.
UM, SO, UH, THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE TOPIARY PARK.
SO WE JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO TERMINATE, UH, THAT WALK.
'CAUSE AND THERE'S JUST GREAT EXPERIENCES ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THERE.
AND AS FAR AS THE PARK ITSELF, WE CAN, I, I WAS GONNA HAVE, WE CAN HAVE GREG OG, HE'S WITH, UH, EDGE GROUP TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE DESIGN.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE DOG PARK, UM, WE HAVE GIVEN THIS SOME THOUGHT, UH, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE A DOG PARK, BUT WE DON'T HAVE OTHER PARKS IN BRIDGE PARK THAT ARE GREEN SPACES SO MUCH, RIGHT.
SO THAT YOU CAN GO AND WALK WITH GRASS AND THROW A BLANKET DOWN AND, AND SIT.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED THINKING LIKE, IF WE'RE NOT DOING A DOG PARK, LET'S GIVE A NICE KINDA GREEN, GRASSY KIND OF PARK WITH THESE GREAT FEATURES THAT YOU CAN JUST LAY A BLANKET DOWN, TAKE YOUR DOG, WALK HIM THROUGH THE GRASS AND LOOK AT THESE TOPIARIES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE THINKING IN TERMS OF, UM, LIKE WE DID, THERE'S JUST EVERY POCKET PARK WE HAVE, IT'S JUST ALL HARDSCAPE FOR THE MOST PART WITH PLANTERS, UH, WHERE THIS IS, WE'RE THINKING OF IT A A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S GREAT, GREAT EXPLANATION OF HOW YOU GOT THERE.
UM, AND I, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ME IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS TALK ABOUT DALE STREET AND NEEDING TO THINK ABOUT THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
AND I THINK THE IDEA OF ART ALONG THAT AND TYING TOGETHER, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE TOPIARY PARK.
UM, I DO JUST WANT TO PUT OUT THERE THAT I SEE, I THINK THERE STILL IS A NEED FOR A DOG PARK IN THIS AREA.
THE DENSITY OF PEOPLE LIVING HERE, THE NUMBER OF DOGS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU VISIT BRIDGE PARK AND YOU SEE THE NUMBER OF DOGS ROAMING AROUND, NOT ROAMING, BUT YOU KNOW, ON LEASH.
AND I JUST THINK THAT THE DOG PARK WAS A REALLY GOOD, UM, AMENITY OPPORTUNITY IN THIS AREA.
SO I WOULD, I GUESS, ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE A DOG PARK MIGHT GO IN IN THE FUTURE.
YEAH, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT OTHER, LIKE I SAID, FURTHER DEVELOPMENT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE, LIKE IN J BLOCK.
AND THIS COULD BE VERY SOMETHING, BUT YEAH.
BUT I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT MIGHT LIKE, I MEAN, YOU SEE IT ALL THE TIME WHILE WE SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE THEIR DOGS RIGHT ACROSS RIVERSIDE DRIVE TO THE PARK, AND SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT SPACE.
I THINK THAT, UH, ESPECIALLY THE BIGGER DOGS, UM, THEY CAN LET 'EM WALK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON.
UH, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY KEEP THAT IN MIND, UH, WITH, WITH THE NEXT BLOCK AND ALL THAT.
LOOKING TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? MR. SCHNEER? JUST, UH, A QUICK ONE, UM, IS THE APP, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS? UH, YEAH.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
UH, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? NO, WE HAVEN'T.
IS ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON TOPIARY PARK? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
WE WILL TURN THE TIME OVER FOR DELIBERATION.
UH, MR. SCHNEER, YOU WANNA START US OFF? I THINK THAT, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN AND, UH, UM, I AGREE HAVING A BIG DOG ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER, A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THE
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RIVERSIDE PARK, UM, AND IT'S A SORT OF ZERO SUM GAME, CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING.UH, BUT I REALLY THINK THE USE OF THIS LITTLE TRIANGLE FOR A TOPIARY IS, IS A, A GREAT IDEA.
MR. FISHMAN? YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I, I ACTUALLY, UH, UM, THINK THAT IT, IT, IT, THERE CAN BE BETTER LOCATIONS FOR A DOG PARK.
DOG PARKS ARE NOISY AND THEY'RE NOT ATTRACTIVE LIKE A TOP AREA TOPIARY PARK.
SO I'M, I'M IN, I'M FALL FOR IT.
AND AGAIN, JUST PUT OUT THERE THAT I'D LIKE TO FIND ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE AGAIN, A DOG PARK IS A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO AND LET THEIR DOGS OFF A LEASH, LET RUN SAFELY.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST SOMETHING NEEDED IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND ALSO I REALLY LIKED HEARING YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT, UM, THE ARC GOING THROUGH THAT AREA.
UM, AND ALSO THE DOG PARK IS NEEDED AND IT'S A GREAT WAY TO HAVE YOUR DOG OFF LEASH WITH A FENCE AND SO FORTH.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAN ACROSS THE RIVER.
AND, UH, IT'S A GOOD WAY FOR PEOPLE TO CONNECT AND GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER.
AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE, UH, PRESENTATION IN YOUR TIME.
UM, I, THE ONLY COMMENT I'D HAVE IS, WHICH I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IS JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S WELL LIT AND SAFE.
'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF IN A, IT'S KIND OF HIDDEN BACK BEHIND A, A COUPLE BUILDINGS.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
UH, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF, SO OFTEN WE THINK OF ART AS EITHER TWO DIMENSIONAL OR THREE DIMENSIONAL SCULPTURE, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE OUR, UH, CREATIVITY ENDS.
SO I APPRECIATE THE LOOK AT GREENERY.
WE LIVE IN A BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENT.
WE LOVE WHERE WE LIVE, WE LOVE OUR LANDSCAPING.
AND SO TAKING THAT AND COMBINING LANDSCAPING WITH ART IS CREATIVE AND, AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.
ALRIGHT, UH, WE DID REMOVE THIS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, SO I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
UM, AND FOR CLARITY, MR. BOGGS DIDN'T CATCH ME YET, BUT THAT WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH FIVE CONDITIONS.
MR. FISHMAN, DO YOU AGREE? I AGREE.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR PARTNERSHIP AND THIS APPLICATION SPEAKS TO THAT.
[Cases #22-150 & #23-020 ]
REVIEW.THIS IS SHIHAB LAW OFFICE CASES 22 DASH ONE 50 AND 23 DASH 0 2 4.
UH, PARTIAL ID 2 73 0 0 4 5 1.
A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLATT.
THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STORY 10,000 APPROXIMATE SQUARE FOOT LAW OFFICE ON 2.86 ACRE SITE PLAN, ZONED PLANNED COMMERCE DISTRICT, UH, THOMAS CALLER SUB AREA C.
THIS SITE IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF WARNER TEMPLE ROAD WITH EMERALD PARKWAY.
I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR CASE PRESENTATION.
UH, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ARE TWO APPLICATIONS FOR THE LAW OFFICE.
UH, THE FIRST IS A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS IS THE FINAL STEP IN THE PLANNING PROCESS WITHIN A PLANNED COMMERCE DISTRICT.
UH, THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING WERE APPROVED SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITH THE CREATION OF THOMAS KOHLER.
SO ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE IS ABLE TO JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, SO TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, REVIEW THIS PHASE AND ENSURE THAT IT HAS COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AS WELL AS THE PRELIMINARY, UH, OR SORRY, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT FOR THE DISTRICT.
UM, SOME OF THE ITEMS TO CONSIDER ARE LISTED.
AGAIN, THIS IS FINALIZING THE ITEMS FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD TO BUILDING PERMITTING, AND THE DETERMINATION IS REQUIRED TONIGHT.
THE SECOND PART OF THIS APPLICATION IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO STEPS.
DETERMINATION IS USUALLY MADE BY CITY COUNCIL.
SO A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TONIGHT.
THIS IS TO ESTABLISH, UH, TWO LOTS OUT OF ONE THAT ARE CREATED.
UH, IT ALSO LOOKS AT EASEMENT LOCATIONS, CROSS ACCESS IF THERE IS ANY, UH, OPEN SPACE, WHICH THAT'S MORE FOR RESIDENTIAL WHEN IT COMES TO PLATS, LESS FOR COMMERCIAL PRODUCT OR PRODUCTS, UH, AND, AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO THIS SITE IS 2.857 ACRES IN SIZE, END ZONE, P C D.
UH, THIS SITE IS VACANT WITH A SHARED USE PATH AND A TREE CANOPY, UH, TREE STAND THAT IS ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE.
BOTH OF THESE WILL REMAIN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE.
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SO BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THIS WAS BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW.UH, THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IN GENERAL, UH, THE COMMISSION WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED USES, THE USES, OUR OFFICE AND A FITNESS CENTER, BOTH OUR PERMITTED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, UH, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE, BUT DID RECOMMEND THAT THEY PROVIDE FORESIGHT, ARCHITECTURE WITH THE BUILDING.
UH, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE DRIVE AISLES AND PARKING LOCATIONS, SPECIFICALLY FORWARD OF THE BUILDING AT THE INTERSECTION.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVE AISLE AND SEVERAL PARKING SPACES THAT ARE FORWARD OF THE BUILDING.
UH, AND THEN CONCERN ABOUT THE NORTHERN LOT AND THE VIABILITY OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO WITH THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLOT.
SO THEY WOULD BE SPLITTING OFF A PORTION OF THE SITE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED WITH THIS.
UH, SO THE COMMISSION WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER THIS COULD ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED OR WHETHER IT WOULD BE A VACANT LOT FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
SO WITH THAT, THE APPLICANT IS BEFORE YOU FOR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, 10,380 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE STORY BUILDING WITH 42 PARKING SPACES, TWO OF WHICH ARE LOCATED WITHIN A GARAGE, UH, ON THE REAR, I'LL SAY THE INSIDE L PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN THERE ARE TWO USES PROPOSED WITH THIS BUILDING, WHICH ARE THE OFFICE AND FITNESS CENTER, WHICH ARE PERMITTED.
UH, SOME OF THE UPDATES TO HIGHLIGHT SINCE, UH, THE LAST TIME THIS WAS SEEN FROM THE COMMISSION INCLUDE THE BUILDING LOCATION AND THE MODIFICATION TO CIRCULATION.
SO THE BUILDING LOCATION WAS ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION, UH, AND IS RIGHT UP AGAINST THOSE FRONT BUILDING SETBACKS.
UH, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THIS BECAUSE THEY'VE REMOVED THE CIRCULATION DRIVE AS WELL AS PARKING FORWARD OF THE BUILDING AND HAS CONSOLIDATED THOSE FOR THE MOST PART TO THE WEST OF THE BUILDING, UH, SO TO THE REAR.
AND THIS IS TO, UH, ADDRESS THE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP THE LAST TIME.
ADDITIONALLY, ON THIS PLAN, YOU'LL SEE A CONCEPTUAL SITE CAPACITY STUDY FOR THE NORTHERN LOT.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT.
THIS IS JUST TO SHOW THAT IT CAN BE DEVELOPED UNDER CURRENT DEVELOPMENT TECH STANDARDS AS WELL AS CURRENT ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS AND, AND ARE CERTAIN THAT THIS CAN BE DEVELOPED IN THE FOOD IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD THIS, UH, SHOULD A DEVELOPER COME FORWARD TO DEVELOP THAT.
SOME SMALLER CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED WITH THIS INCLUDE MODIFICATIONS TO THE DUMPSTER LOCATION, WHICH IS LOCATED CENTRALLY ON THE SITE, JUST NORTH OF THE PATIO AREA.
UH, THE PATIO AREA WILL BE SCREENED AND PROTECTED BY PLANTERS, WHICH WILL BE PROVIDED IN THE FUTURE WITH A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, OR WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.
AND THEN MODIFICATIONS TO SIGNS THEY'RE PROPOSING TO WALL MOUNTED SIGNS.
I BELIEVE ORIGINALLY THIS WAS SHOWING, UH, SOME GROUND MOUNTED SIGNS, BUT THEY HAVE MOVED ENTIRELY TO, TO WALL MOUNTED AND THEN UPDATES TO BUILDING MATERIALS, UH, TO, FOR THE MOST PART TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY MOSTLY STUCCO.
UH, NOW THEY'RE CONTINUING THEIR, THEIR DESIGN, WHICH YOU WILL SEE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, CARRYING THAT AROUND TO ALL ELEVATIONS.
SO SHOWN IS THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THIS BUILDING.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE INTERSECTION OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND WARNER TEMPLE, UH, THE DESIGN OF THIS BUILDING LARGELY STAYS THE SAME AS WHAT WAS PROVIDED BACK IN SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR.
UH, THE CHANGES FOR THE MOST PART ARE TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHERE A MAJORITY OF THE COMMENTS WERE.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE ROTUNDA FEATURE THAT IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER.
UH, THAT IS A TWO STORY, ONE AND A HALF STORY FEATURE.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT A TRUE STORY.
THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING IS A SINGLE STORY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE PRIMARY MATERIALS INCLUDE THE RED BRICK AND THEN, UM, THE STONE WITH SECONDARY MATERIALS, INCLUDING STUCCO, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE TOP BAND JUST BELOW THAT ROTUNDA.
UM, AND THE BRICK SOLDIER COURSE, AGAIN, THESE MATERIALS ARE LISTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AS PERMITTED.
UH, AND THEY'RE USING THEM ACCORDING TO HOW THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT REQUIRES 'EM TO.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, THEY'RE PROPOSING A STANDING SEAM ROOF IN TWO DIFFERENT SHADES.
ONE IS THE MEDIUM BRONZE AND THE OTHER IS THE MATTE BLACK.
UH, THE RENDERING DOESN'T QUITE DO IT JUSTICE.
THEY ARE CLOSER IN TERMS OF, OF COLOR.
UH, THEY DO APPEAR PRETTY STARK, UH, BUT IT IS, THE MEDIUM BRONZE IS NOT AS BRIGHT AS IT IS SHOWING IT IS MUCH DARKER.
UM, SO THERE WILL STILL BE SOME CONTRAST, BUT NOT AS STARK AS IT IS SHOWING HERE.
AND THEN THE UPDATED CHANGES TO, UH, THE INNER L PORTION, AGAIN, THIS USED TO BE STUCCO.
IT IS NOW CONTINUING THAT BRICK, UH, PRIMARY BRICK MATERIAL AS WELL AS STONE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT ON BOTH OF THESE FACADES, UH, ALL UTILITIES WILL BE IN ALL, UH, UTILITY EQUIPMENT WILL BE
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ROOF MOUNTED.THAT WILL BE SCREENED WITH THE PITCH ROOF, UH, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE A BETTER DETAIL OF THE, UH, THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING AND THE ROTUNDA ROOF FEATURE HERE.
THE SECOND PORTION OF THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLATT.
AGAIN, A FINAL PLATT WOULD FOLLOW IN THE FUTURE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, BUT THIS ESTABLISHES TWO NEW LOTS OUT OF THE CURRENT SINGLE LOT, LOT.
ONE IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED, UH, WHICH IS 1.82 ACRES WITH THE SECOND LOT JUST OVER ONE ACRE.
UH, THIS IDENTIFIES NEW PROPERTY LINES AS WELL AS EASEMENTS AND WHERE ACCESS DRIVES WILL BE LOCATED AS WELL AS STORMWATER, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR BOTH LOTS AND HAS BEEN SIZED APPROPRIATELY FOR BOTH DEVELOPMENTS.
SO THERE'S A MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION DUE TO THE, UH, SPLITTING OF THE LOT, AND IT IS FOR A ZERO FOOT, UH, WIDE SETBACK FOR BOTH PAVEMENT AND BUILDING ALONG THAT SHARED PROPERTY LINE FOR LOTS ONE AND TWO.
SO THE TEXT MODIFICATION IS SPECIFIC TO THIS LOT THAT IT WOULD BE ZERO FEET, AND IT DOES NOT CREEP INTO ANY OTHER PROPERTY HERE.
AND ADDITIONALLY, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS TO THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA FOR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLATT AND ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ALL THREE.
SO THERE ARE THREE, UH, DETERMINATIONS OR THREE MOTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TONIGHT VERSUS FOR THE MEYER TEXT MODIFICATION, THE SECOND FOR THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THE THIRD FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLOT.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
MR. HEL LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME.
MR. WE, UM, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THE RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN? ARE WE NOT APPROVING A LANDSCAPE PLAN? WE ARE APPROVING A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO, UM, THIS IS MORE, IT'S A PRETTY STANDARD CONDITION THAT THAT WILL APPLY.
AND IT'S JUST DEPENDING ON THE TIMING OF, OF SOMETHING BEING DEVELOPED, SOMETIMES LANDSCAPE CHOICES CHANGE.
UH, SO IT, IT REALLY, FOR THE MOST PART, THE PLANE'S GONNA STAY THE SAME.
IT'S JUST TO ALLOW FOR ANY CHANGES, SMALL CHANGES THAT MAY COME IN THE FUTURE.
SO STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC CONCERNS AT THIS POINT IN TIME? NO, WE DO NOT.
JUST, JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP TO THAT QUESTION.
SO DOES, SO THE, THE MEETS THE MOUNDING REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS IS JUST TO CONFIRM THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? MR. HEEL? CAN YOU DIRECT ME TO THE PORTION OF CODE THAT DEALS WITH GARAGES ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WHERE THIS ZONE WOULD APPLY? SO GARAGE SPACES WOULD BE ABLE TO COUNT TOWARDS REQUIRED PARKING, UH, FOR A COMMERCIAL SITE.
UM, AGAIN, THE, THIS TEXT DOES NOT SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS PARKING.
IT REVERTS TO STANDARD CODE, UM, WHICH STILL WOULD ALLOW FOR, FOR THEM TO HAVE THIS SORT OF PARKING AND COUNT TOWARDS THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY LIKE GARAGE HEIGHTS CAN'T BE TALLER THAN NINE FEET, THAT THE ENTRY TO A GARAGE CAN'T BE HIGHER THAN NINE FEET, THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE WIDTH AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT SUCH AS THIS WHERE WE HAVE, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, CAN YOU, CAN YOU POINT OUT WHAT THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CONCERNING COMMERCIAL GARAGES MIGHT BE? YEAH, GIMME A MOMENT JUST TO PULL THOSE UP AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE.
SO FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, THOSE STANDARDS IN TERMS OF GARAGE DOOR HEIGHTS ARE
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REALLY RELATED TO, I THINK THOSE ARE IN THE APPEARANCE CODE AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES RELATED TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.THAT IS WHERE THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS COME INTO PLAY AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, UNLESS THAT, OR DOES ZACH FIND SOMETHING ELSE? SO THERE WOULD BE A REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR THIS USE.
AND IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE, THERE'S NOTHING PRECLUDING THEM, I GUESS, FROM MAKING THE REQUEST FROM HAVING THEM INTERIOR.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION, I SUPPOSE, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
BUT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE DID NOT SEE ANYTHING IN THE CODE THAT SAID THEY WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO, TO MEET THE CODE THAT WAY.
UH, SO MY, MY QUESTION SPECIFICALLY IN THE RESIDENTIAL CODE, WE TALK ABOUT SCREENED, WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, LOW CONTRAST COLORS.
WE TALK ABOUT NON VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET, WE TALK ABOUT THESE DIFFERENT THINGS TO, UM, ENSURE QUALITY WORKMANSHIP, ENSURE COMPLIMENTARY VISUALS AND ENSURE THAT THERE'S SCREENING FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WHERE THIS IS CONTEMPLATING BOTH A PARCEL SEPARATION, SO PRESUMABLY A SEPARATE TENANT, A DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNER ADJACENT.
THESE GARAGE DOORS ARE POINTING AT THAT ADJACENT PARCEL.
SO LOOKING TO SEE, I COULDN'T FIND IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES THIS SPECIFICS ON GOVERNING COMMERCIAL GARAGES, BUT WE ALSO DON'T HAVE VERY MANY OF THEM IN THE CITY.
AND SO THERE'S NOT A, A STANDARD THAT WE CAN SEE BUILT.
I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE FURTHER TYPICALLY FOR WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER LIKE LOADING, OR I'M THINKING OF OTHER COMMERCIALLY ORIENTED PROPERTIES, WE WOULD WANT THOSE TO BE TO THE SIDE OR REAR.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE'S A SHARED PROPERTY LINE THERE, BUT I MEAN, FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY IS USUALLY OUR BIGGEST CONCERN.
SO THIS WOULD BE SCREENED FROM BOTH OF THOSE RIGHTS OF WAY, IT WOULD JUST POTENTIALLY BE YES, VISUAL IMPACT TO THE FUTURE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, BUT AGAIN, TYPICALLY IT'S, WE'RE MORE MOST CONCERNED WITH WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM THE STREET FACING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR STAFF, MR. CHINOOK? SO REGARDING THE, UM, WATS SPLIT, AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTH A LOT, BUT HAVE, HAS STAFF CONSIDERED, LIKE, I DIDN'T DO THE MATH, BUT THE PARKING COUNTS, LIKE IT IS DEFINITELY IME, IT, IT COULD BE DEVELOPED TO MEET PARKING COUNT CRITERIA AND GREEN SPACE CRITERIA FOR THAT SMALL SANDWICHED LOT IN THERE.
WHAT THEY'VE PROVIDED, WE'VE LOOKED AT TO MAKE SURE FROM WHAT THEY'VE PROVIDED THAT WOULD MEET THOSE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MR. FISHMAN? JUST ONE QUESTION.
I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE GARAGE.
I, I I ASSUMED IT'S A NORMAL CAR GARAGE WITH, WITH LIKE A RESIDENTIAL GARAGE WHERE THE OWNERS ARE, WOULD PARK THEIR CARS.
IS THAT, AM I CORRECT ABOUT THAT? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH, I LOOKED AT IT.
I OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
AND IT'LL BE LANDSCAPED AND ALL THAT.
RIGHT? JUST LIKE A RESIDENTIAL ONE WOULD BE THE THE LANDSCAPING THEY'RE PROVIDING WOULD MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO, BUT IT'S, IT'LL HAVE STANDARDIZED GARAGE DOORS.
IT'S NOT FOR BIG TRUCKS, IT'S JUST, I I ASSUME THAT WHEN IT LOOKED, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IN THE PLAN, SO YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
OKAY, SO IT'S FOR, FOR A COUPLE CARS IS WHAT IT'S CORRECT.
MR. HANSEL, COULD YOU BRING UP THE, I'M THINKING OF THE DRAWING THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THOSE GARAGE DOORS NOW.
THOSE APPEAR TO BE TRANSLUCENT TRANSPARENT GARAGE DOORS, NOT SOLID SURFACE GARAGE DOORS.
SO THE VEHICLES WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, THEORETICALLY.
ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FOR STAFF MS. HARDER? I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE GARAGE DOORS AND THE TRANSLUCENT.
UM, DO WE HAVE INDICATION, IS IT A FROSTED IN FRONT AND THEN THEY MAY SEE THINGS AT NIGHT LIKE A IMAGE OR A SHADOWING OF SOMETHING INSIDE? OR IS IT CLEAR, CLEAR GLASS BOTH WAYS? WE COULD PROBABLY WAIT FOR THE APPLICANT FOR THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT.
IS THE APPLICANT IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING? IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, PRESS THE BUTTON TILL THE GREEN LIGHT GOES ON.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS JEAN MCCUE AND I'M WITH DESIGN COLLECTIVE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A STATEMENT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE OR ARE YOU READY FOR SOME COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? MR. HOUNSELL DID A GREAT JOB, UH, EXPLAINING OUR OVERALL PROJECT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY HERE FOR A YEAR ON, UH, THIS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW.
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SO HE, HE DID AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB.ALRIGHT, SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
MR. CHINOOK, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON THE FITNESS CENTER.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE USE? IS THAT JUST FOR THE EMPLOYEES ONLY OR IS THAT GONNA BE OPEN IN THE HOURS OF THE USE OF THAT CENTER? IT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND, UH, IT'S ENVISIONED AS KIND OF A, UH, BOUTIQUE HOTEL TYPE OF, UM, QUALITY LEVEL IN TERMS OF SERVICES PROVIDED AND EQUIPMENT.
BUT, UH, IT'S A SMALLER FACILITY, SO, UM, I THINK IT'D BE JUST NORMAL DAYTIME TYPE HOURS, UH, EARLY MORNING TO, UH, EARLY EVENING.
AND THEN IS IS PARK, IS THERE, WILL THERE BE SPECIFIC PARKING FOR THAT USE OR IS IT JUST GONNA BE OPEN? WELL, WITH THE L-SHAPE OF THE BUILDING, THE ORIENTATION, UH, PARKING WOULD BE, UH, PRIMARILY ADJACENT TO THE FITNESS CENTER ON ONE SIDE.
AND THE OTHER SIDE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LAW FIRM STAFF AND THEIR CL UH, CLIENTS AS WELL.
MR. SCHNEER, UM, THE GARAGE DOORS, WE WERE
IS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON, UM, WHY YOU, YOU YOU CHOSE THEM TO BE ALL GLASS AS OPPOSED TO NOT GLASS AT ALL, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, GLASS FEATURES? GLASS? I THINK THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO, UH, BE SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING, UH, STOREFRONT WINDOWS, UH, IN THE BUILDING AND HENCE THE CLEAR GLASS AS WELL.
MR. WE, SO I HAVE A DETAILED QUESTION ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE.
SO ON THE, UH, EMERALD PARKWAY SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE WALKWAY THAT RUNS THE, THE, AROUND THE TWO EDGES, BUT ON THE EMERALD PARKWAY SIDE, IT'S A VERY STRAIGHT WALKWAY, BUT ON THE WARNER TEMPLE EDGE, IT'S A VERY CURVE, LINEAR, VERY MORE LANDSCAPE TYPE MM-HMM.
AND I JUST, ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE SOME CONSTRAINTS OR SOMETHING ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY THAT CAUSED YOU TO JUST PUT A STRAIGHT WALKWAY IN THERE? UH, NO, I THINK IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF VARIETY BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES.
UH, LITTLE SOFTER KIND OF EDGE EDGING AGAINST THE, UH, LAW FIRM OFFICE SIDE FOR THE, UH, PLANTER BEDS ALONG THE BUILDING.
SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE GRADING PLAN, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A DEPRESSION, UH, ON THE EMERALD PARKWAY SIDE.
SO THERE'S, THE GRATE IS COMING DOWN INTO A, A CATCH BASIN OF SOME SORT.
SO THERE'S ALREADY THIS KIND OF SCULPTING OF THE EARTH THERE.
I I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE WARNER TEMPLE SIDE, AND I THINK, UM, THE LANDSCAPE ON THAT SIDE TENDS TO START TO RELATE TO THE K LINEARNESS OF THE WALK.
AND ON THE EMERALD PARKWAY IT BECOMES VERY RIGID AND VERY, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, UM, YOU'VE CREATED A VERY ATTRACTIVE EDGE ON ONE SIDE AND ONE THAT'S MORE NOT AS ATTRACTIVE ON THE OTHER.
UM, BOTH VERY VISIBLE FOR MAJOR ROADWAYS.
JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE, UM, COHESIVE IF BOTH EDGES WERE TREATED IN THE SAME WAY.
AND I GUESS IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ENTERTAINING AND WORKING WITH STAFF AS YOU ADVANCE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO MAYBE LOOSEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT? I THINK WE WOULD BE OPEN TO WORKING WITH THE STAFF ON THAT POSSIBILITY.
I THINK THE STRAIGHT PATH WAS ENVISIONED TO BE A LESSER USED PATH BECAUSE THE ENTRY DOORS OF THE FITNESS CENTER ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS KIND OF IN THE FIRE CORNER AND WHEREAS THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO LAW FIRM WAS ALONG THE CURVE OF LINEAR PATH.
BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO WORKING WITH STAFF ON THAT DETAIL.
YEAH, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A FUNCTIONAL PART OF IT AND THEN THERE'S AN AESTHETIC PART.
AND I THINK THE AESTHETICS OF IT BEING COHESIVE ON BOTH SIDES AND, AND EVEN TO THE POINT OF HOW THEN THE LANDSCAPE RE RESPONDS TO IT.
AND WHEN YOU CAN'T REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE YOUR ELEVATIONS DON'T HAVE LANDSCAPE IN IT TO REALLY REFLECT THAT.
SO YEAH, AGAIN, JUST A SENSITIVITY THAT I'M SEEING IN, IN THE PLAN THAT I, I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD CONSIDER.
MR. OTHER, MR. FISHMAN, I THINK MR WAY'S, UM, UM, POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
CAN WE JUST MAKE THAT A CONDITION THAT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE OTHER PATH WILL MATCH THE CURRENT PATH? YEAH.
MR. LAC, THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION, MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR EUGENE.
IT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR US GENERALLY, AND I'M JUST RESPONDING TO, TO THE LOCATION OF THE HANDICAPPED SPACES BOTH CLUSTERED TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE LOT.
WHY THERE AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER?
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UH, I THINK IT WAS JUST THE WAY THE PARKING CONFIGURATION WAS WORKED OUT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE IMPER IMPERMEABLE SURFACE, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, ACCESS RAMPS FROM THE PARKING LOT UP TO THE RAISED, UH, SIDEWALK.IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THEY WORKED BETTER CLUSTERED AT THAT ONE SIDE.
WELL, AND I, I, I'M ONLY, I'M ONLY THE QUESTION RIGHT, IS A LITTLE BIT SENSITIVE TO, ARE YOU, YOU HAVE A VERY FINITE AMOUNT OF SPACES OVER THERE FOR YOUR FITNESS CENTER IF THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT'S GONNA OPERATIONALLY FLOW.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE SOME, UM, FLEXIBILITY AND ALL THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE CALL OUT, SEPARATE, SEPARATE LINE OF QUESTIONING.
SO I, I, UM, TELL ME ABOUT AGAIN, UH, TELL ME ABOUT THE, THE DRUM IN PARTICULAR, THE ROTUNDA AT THE CORNER.
WAS THERE ANY EFFORT TO, OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW IT'S GOT IT'S, YOU KNOW, SORT OF COPLANAR WITH THE ADJACENT WALLS, SO IT WRAPS THE CORNER, KEEPS GOING, BUT ONE IS CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, LENDING ITSELF, THERE'S A DIFFERENT DIFFERENTIATED LENGTH TO EACH OF THE WALLS AND THEREIN IT KIND OF MAKES THE ROTUNDA THIS AWKWARD SHAPE.
WAS THERE ANY EFFORT TO BREAK THAT RHYTHM, TO SEPARATE THE ROTUNDA INTENTIONALLY? SO IT BECAME, YOU KNOW, UH, ROTUNDA WITH TWO FLANKING WALLS, BUT NOT COPLANAR.
AND THEN REALLY, I THINK TO, UH, AS WE LOOKED AT ROOFING STUDIES, IT REALLY SEEMED LIKE THAT CONICAL SHAPE, UH, WAS A WAY TO TIE THAT CURVED CORNER TOGETHER, UH, GIVEN IT WASN'T ASYMMETRICAL LEGS ON EACH OF THE L-SHAPED BUILDINGS.
SO I THINK IT REALLY WAS REALLY INTERNALLY PROGRAM DRIVEN IN TERMS OF THE FOOTPRINT.
AND THEN HOW DO WE MAKE THAT, UH, UH, UH, DISTINCTIVE STATEMENT ON THE OUTSIDE THAT WORKING WITH THAT OVERALL SHAPE IS THE, REMIND ME THAT THAT'S JUST A SINGLE, IT'S A DOUBLE HEIGHT SPACE, BUT IT'S JUST A SINGLE FLOOR.
THANK YOU, MR. LAC, MS. HARDER.
UH, YES, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UH, ONE IS ABOUT, UH, IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE GARAGE AGAIN.
I WAS WONDERING WHY, UH, ANY REASON WHY LIGHTING DOESN'T FLANK THE WAY IT DOES AROUND THE REST OF THE BUILDING? SO YOU AROUND LIKE DOOR, THERE'S TWO SIDELIGHTS AND YOU KINDA GET TO THIS CORNER AND THERE'S ONE ON ONE SIDE, AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING AROUND THE GARAGES.
UH, I THINK IN TERMS OF THE GARAGE, WE SOMEWHAT WANTED TO DOWNPLAY, UH, THEIR PRESENCE AND, UH, I THINK IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE ASYMMETRICAL, UH, LIGHTING SOLUTION FOR THOSE SECONDARY, UH, EGRESS, UH, TO THE BUILDING ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE FROM THE RENDERINGS HERE OF, UH, COLORS AND, UH, CHOICES OF THAT IS, DOES THE STUCCO HAVE LIKE A YELLOW TENT TO IT, OR IS IT MORE OF A A, A, A A MORE OF A A WHITE OR TRYING TO FIGURE THAT IT, IT, IT'S MORE OF AN OFF WHITE, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE JUST A LITTLE HINT OF A TAN IN IT.
AND THEN CAN YOU GIVE YOUR DESCRIPTION OF THE ROOF AND THE DIFFERENT, UM, WHAT COLORS ARE, ARE IMPLEMENTED IN THERE AND THE STARKNESS, HOW YOU WOULD DESCRIBE THAT? MM-HMM.
I, I THINK MR. HOUNSELL MADE A GOOD DISTINCTION THAT THE RENDERINGS AS THEY, YOU KNOW, PRINT IN COLOR WERE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE ACTUAL MATERIAL SAMPLES THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED.
AND, UH, IT WAS THE MEDIUM BRONZE FOR THE PRIMARY ROOF.
AND THEN AGAIN, JUST TO SOMEWHAT, UH, DISTINGUISH, YOU KNOW, THAT CONICAL CORNER ELEMENT, UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE BLACK, BUT UH, IT WAS TO BE CLOSE, BUT, BUT SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE COMMISSION? DID YOU CONTEMPLATE ANY OTHER MATERIAL ON THOSE GARAGE DOORS OTHER THAN A TRANSLUCENT TRANSPARENT MATERIAL? UM, OF COURSE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF TRANSLUCENT, UH, UH, FILM, YOU KNOW, COULD WORK FOR, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT, UH, LESS, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENT.
BUT I THINK, UH, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF THE APPROACH TO MARRY UP WITH THE MIN, UH, WINDOWS AT THE, UH, OF THE REST OF THE BUILDING AT THIS TIME AND RATHER NOT DRAW MORE ATTENTION TO THOSE BEING DIFFERENT WITH SOME TYPE OF A TRANSLUCENT FILM ON THOSE.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.UH, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE INTERIM? WE HAVE NOT.
IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO DELIBERATIONS.
UH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, DIRECT THE COMMISSION AGAIN.
WE ARE LOOKING AT A MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH TWO CONDITIONS AND THE PRELIMINARY PLAN WITH A SINGLE CONDITION.
THERE HAS BEEN A REQUEST AND AN ACCEPTANCE.
IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF THAT'S NOT, UH, THAT, UH, A CONDITION BE MODIFIED.
THE FIRST CONDITION OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT WORK WAS STAFFED TO FINALIZE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO BE, UH, AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE CURBING OF THE PATH ALONG EMERALD PARKWAY, LOOKING TO THE APPLICANT TO ENSURE THAT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE, HEARING AN AFFIRMATIVE, UH, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR DELIBERATION.
MR. CHINOOK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START US OFF? SURE.
UM, I, AGAIN, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A NICE JOB WITH THE, UH, THE BUILDING DESIGN.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, IT PUSHING FORWARD.
I'M OKAY WITH THE, UH, THE LOT SPLIT AND THE, AND THE ZERO SETBACK THERE, THAT CHANGE.
UM, AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOU SCREENING THE, THE RTUS.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S COSTLY TO BUILD UP THE MAN LIKE YOU DID.
IT'S GONNA HELP THAT FROM THE STREET LEVEL.
AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, REALLY, IF WE COULD WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HITTING ALL THE LANDSCAPING.
'CAUSE I THINK TO MR. WADE'S POINT EARLIER, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT, THAT SIDEWALK THERE.
UM, AND ACCESS, UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, MR. SUPER BLACK, THE, THE, THE ROTUNDA.
I HATE TO DWELL ON THE ROTUNDA, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT ARCHITECTURALLY LOOKS THAT GREAT.
UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO DENY THE, THE DESIGN BASED ON THAT OR THE, THE APPROVAL BASED ON THAT, BUT, UM, I GUESS I'D JUST ASK IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECONSIDER THE DESIGN OF THAT ROTUNDA AND THE ROOF SPECIFICALLY.
I JUST THINK IT, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY ROTUNDA, ROTUNDA IS AS, AS MENTIONED, ARE MORE SYMMETRICAL AND, UH, JUST ARCHITECTURE DOESN'T, DOESN'T FEEL QUITE RIGHT TO ME.
BUT AGAIN, EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'VE DONE IN THE BUILDING IS GREAT.
IT'S DEFINITELY AN UPGRADED BUILDING.
IT LOOKS NICE, THE MATERIALS AND JUST THAT, THAT KIND OF STICKS OUT TO ME AS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE'D LIKE TO CONSIDER, UH, IMPROVING.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOOD AND GREAT.
UM, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, UH, A GREAT DESIGN.
I THINK THE, UH, CHANGES YOU MADE ARE, ARE POSITIVE AND, AND ENHANCE, ENHANCE IT.
I GO BACK AND FORTH ON THE GARAGE DOOR, UM, HAVING A CLEAR GLASS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT ON ONE HAND.
AND ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S LIKE FOUR HANDS IN HERE HAVING CLEAR GLASS.
IT SORT OF COMES ACROSS AS, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA USE ANY PARTICULAR NAME, BUT AN OIL CHANGE SERVICE.
LIKE, YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT'S IN THERE, COUNTER THAT WITH THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT REALLY SEEN FROM EITHER OF THE FRONTAGE STREETS.
YOU COULD MAKE A CHANGE BY MAKING IT, YOU KNOW, TRANSLUCENT MORE OPAQUE.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, THAT MAY CALL MORE ATTENTION TO IT BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS, IS CLEAR GLASS.
AND I THINK I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
I'M A BIG FAN OF CLEAR GLASS, BIG FAN OF GLASS AS AS A MATERIAL.
UM, SO I WEIGHING ALL THOSE, I COME OUT AND SAY, OKAY, IN MY OPINION, IT'S A BIT SUBOPTIMAL, BUT PROBABLY THE APPROPRIATE SOLUTION FOR THAT ISSUE.
UM, AND GIVEN THAT, UM, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE REST OF IT.
I, YOU KNOW, I'LL SHARE A COMMENT, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, AGREE THAT, THAT ROTUNDA JUST DOESN'T, WE ALL SAY IT, IT DOESN'T QUITE, IT SORT OF DOESN'T LOOK QUITE RIGHT TO THE EYE, BUT I KNOW YOU WORKED HARD ON TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYTHING.
SO IN THAT VEIN, UM, I'M STILL SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION.
MR. FISHMAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MICRO.
I, I, I'VE SEEN CLEAR GARAGE DOORS ON MULTIMILLION DOLLAR HOUSES, AND, UH, I ASSUME THERE'S JUST GONNA BE TWO CARS IN THERE AND, AND, UM, UM, IF YOU DIDN'T SEE 'EM IN THERE, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE GARAGES, THEY'D BE SITTING IN THE PARKING LOT.
SO I, I I, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK YOU, YOU LISTENED TO US IN THE LAST MEETING AND, AND I THINK YOU, YOU'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF, UM, MAKING THE CHANGES.
UH, I HATED THE BACK BEFORE AND NOW IT'S GREAT.
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I'M IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, PROJECT.UM, AND, UM, BUT I, I DO HAVE, UM, CONCERNS, UH, ALSO ABOUT THE CLEAR GLASS, UM, THINKING IF THERE'S SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO THAT.
UM, AND BECAUSE OF OTHERS SEEING IT AS WELL AS, UM, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GONNA BE IN IT AND SO FORTH, UM, KEEPING THAT KIND OF TIDY IS IMPORTANT.
UM, KEEPING THE LANDSCAPING IDEAS THAT WERE, UH, CONSIDERED TONIGHT, UM, ON A, ON AN IMPORTANT, UM, UH, THAT, THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AND THEN ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE, UM, THE STUCCO AND THE COLOR, UM, AND KEEPING IT UPDATED, UH, IS IMPORTANT.
SO WE'VE ALREADY HIT ON THE, THE LANDSCAPE MODIFICATIONS, AND I GUESS I WOULD, THERE'S A LITTLE SUBTLE ADD TO THAT IS THAT IF YOU LET THE WALKWAY BE THE DIVISION BETWEEN A PLANTING BED AND THE LAWN, JUST LET IT BE THAT, AS OPPOSED TO BRINGING LAWN INTO THE PLANTING BED AGAIN AS, AS STAFF LOOKS AT THAT REVISION, I THINK JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SUBTLETY OF DESIGN.
UM, THE, THE POINT ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE HANDICAP SPACES IS A GOOD ONE.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE LA A PRE PREVIOUS MEETING, BUT I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH, AND I, AND THIS IS, THERE'S A CODE REQUIREMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR YOU HAVE TO GO TO AN ENTRANCE.
AND SO I GUESS IT'S THE QUESTION OF, UM, YOU HAVE PE YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK HERE, SO THEIR LOCA THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO A HANDICAP SPACE.
YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING THE HEALTH CLUB, THEIR PROXIMITY TO A DOOR.
BUT, UM, IS THE CORNER ENTRANCE, IS THAT MEANT FOR CUSTOMERS? AND ARE THE HANDICAP SPACES IN THE RIGHT PLACE TO SERVE THAT ENTRANCE FOR CUSTOMERS? I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD ALL WORK, BUT I JUST THINK THERE SHOULD BE A SENSITIVITY THAT IF CUSTOMERS ARE PARKING IN THE LOT TO THE REAR, SHOULD THERE BE SOME HANDICAP SPACES THERE SO THEY CAN MAKE THEIR WAY TO THAT CORNER DOOR AT THE INTERSECTION.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT THERE'S A VALID, UH, MR. AK BROUGHT UP A, A VALID CONCERN THERE.
THE GARAGE DOORS, I, I ACTUALLY SUPPORT THEM BEING LIKE THE WINDOWS.
I THINK THEY SHOULD JUST BLEND IN.
I THINK IF YOU TRY TO INTRODUCE MORE STUFF, IT'S GONNA LOOK STRANGER.
SO I SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL THE WAY IT IS.
AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE, THE ROTUNDA ROOF, UM, AGAIN, YOU'RE GETTING A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT'S PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? BUT, UM, IT HAS KIND OF MORPHED NOT INTO A ROTUNDA ANYMORE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY A CORNER CONDITION.
AND I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S ALMOST A, A BETTER DIRECTION THAN TRYING TO CREATE A ROTUNDA.
YOU'RE CREATING SOMETHING UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT, AND I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT ENOUGH THAT IT'S UNIQUE AND I KIND OF SUPPORT THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, MR. SUE BLACK, AND I WILL CAVEAT, HE'S BEEN OVER HERE KIND OF DOODLING AND SKETCHING ON HIS DRAWINGS THIS WHOLE TIME.
SO THE NEXT ARCHITECT I GUILTY AS CHARGED, UM, IT'S SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF NICE, NICE STUFF IN HERE.
THE, THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING IN PARTICULAR WAS KIND OF, UM, DRY AND BARREN PREVIOUSLY, AND IT'S, UH, UH, UH, UPDATED REALLY NICELY.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME SENSITIVITY.
WE HAD A LOT OF, UH, DISCOMFORT WITH THE REMNANT LOT THAT'S, UM, UH, THAT'S ADDRESSED HERE.
I DON'T HAVE ISSUE WITH THE, THE GARAGE DOORS AS WELL AT, AT ALL.
UM, RELATIVE TO THIS CONVERSATION, I, I HATE TO SAY IT, THE DUMPSTER IS CLOSER TO THE ADJACENT LOTS THAN THE, THE GARAGE DOORS.
SO IF THEY'RE GONNA SEE ANYTHING AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BE MADE UNCOMFORTABLE, IT'LL BE THE, THE, UM, THE DUMPSTER.
I CONTINUE TO, UM, WORRY ABOUT THE ROTUNDA.
I'M GONNA FLY IN THE FACE OF MR. WADE'S MOST RECENT COMMENTS AND A LITTLE MORE IN LINE WITH MR. CHINO'S COMMENTS.
I JUST WORRY, THERE'S ALWAYS RIGHT IN ARCHITECTURE, THERE'S ALWAYS WHAT'S WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE NEAR MISS, AND IT IS VERY JARRING, RIGHT? WHEN THINGS THAT WE EXPECT TO LINE UP DON'T AND THINGS THAT, RIGHT.
UM, SO IT, TO ME, THIS IS, THIS IS OF THAT ILK.
IT, IT FEELS LIKE IT, IT, IT IS A CORNER CONDITION.
IT FEELS LIKE IT WANTS TO BE A ROTUNDA.
IT IS TRYING TO BE A ROTUNDA, BUT IT'S GOT THIS GOOFY ONE-ARMED KIND OF ACTION GOING ON.
AND I THINK THE SOLVE IS A LOT EASIER.
IT'S, IT'S WITH FAR MORE WITHIN REACH THAN WE REALIZE.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT, IT TAKES AWAY FROM NEAR, AS I CAN TELL, THE, THE FLOOR PLAN I SEE, I DON'T THINK IT TAKES AWAY FROM IT.
I THINK IT'S ALL IT IS, IS AN ADJUSTMENT WHERE THE CURVED GLASS RECESSES BACK 18 INCHES, RIGHT? UM, MEANING THOSE TWO SIDEWALLS JUST, THEY RECESS BACK 18 INCHES AND THAT CURVED GLASS STEPS IN, AND YOU JUST HAVE THAT BREAK.
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YOU KNOW, THE, THE CURVED WALL IS NOT COMING COPLANAR WITH THE ADJACENT BRICK WALLS.UM, THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FREE THE ROOF LINES TO START TO BEHAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
I'VE, I'VE DONE THIS VERBATIM WHERE THERE IS THE, UM, THE STRUCTURAL ROOF AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME LIGHT GAUGE FRAMING ABOVE IT TO CREATE THE ROTUNDA ELEMENT AND IT SITS THERE AND IT'S LOVELY.
AND THAT WOULD FREE THE, THE GEOMETRIES HERE TO START TO BE WHAT THEY WANT TO BE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NOT ADVOCATING FOR THAT VERBATIM, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD, UM, JUST SEPARATE THE TWO THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AND ALLOW THE ROTUNDA TO BE A ROTUNDA.
I, I WORRY THAT, UM, YOU, WE, ALL OF US WOULD BE, UM, WOULD SEE IT AND BE WORRIED THAT IT'S JARRING WHEN WE, WHEN WE SEE IT BUILT IS ALL.
UM, I'LL ECHO SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMPLIMENTS SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE.
THE FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT BELONGS IN DUBLIN.
YOU HAVE THE PARKING BEHIND THE BUILDING, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE STRIVE FOR IN ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE A SEA OF PARKING FROM THE ADJACENT STREETS.
ADDITIONALLY, I APPRECIATE YOUR FLEXIBILITY ON THE PATHS MR. WAY, AS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAS AN EYE FOR THE CURVE, LINEAR, AND MAKING SURE THAT THINGS ARE COMPLIMENTARY, THAT THE JUXTAPOSITION IS ENGAGING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME COMPLIMENTARY AND NOT TO USE MR. AKS WORD JARRING.
AND THE, THE, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU PROVIDED THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THIS, THIS EVENING, THAT RESIDUAL PARCEL AND A, A USE CASE FOR IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SEE THAT VISION OF IT BEING NOT A SPIKE STRIP, NOT A RESIDUAL THAT IS COMPLETELY UN PROGRAMMABLE.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DO ECHO MY, MY COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ACCESSIBILITY SPACES.
YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS EQUITABLE ACCESS TO ESPECIALLY PUBLIC SPACES.
AND AS YOU HIGHLIGHTED THESE, UH, THE, THE WORKOUT CENTER WILL BE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.
SO ENSURING THAT WE'RE NOT PROHIBITING OR PREVENTING, UH, EQUAL ACCESS, UH, I, I, I GET STUCK ON THE GARAGE.
WHEN YOU WERE HERE LAST TIME BEFORE US, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT, THE GARAGE WOULD NOT JUST BE USED FOR PARKING, THAT IT WOULD ALSO BE USED FOR STORAGE.
AND WHILE I AGREE THAT GLASS IS A, A GREAT USE PRODUCT, WE DO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD GREAT VISIONS OF OUR OWN GARAGES HAVING NO STORAGE IN THEM.
AND I THINK EVERYONE LIVES IN REALITY WHERE THERE'S STORAGE AND IF THE GLASS WERE THE ONLY THING THAT YOU SAW, THEN I COULD SEE A, A USE AND I COULD SEE US CS EMBRACING THAT TYPE OF, UH, OF MATERIAL.
HOWEVER, SINCE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IT IS DOES HAVE LIMITED PROGRAMMING, THAT'S A 1.03 ACRE PARCEL, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT THAT'S A LITTLE PARCEL LIMITED PROGRAMMING AND DIRECT VISUAL TO THIS ADJACENT PROPERTY WHERE WE BELIEVE, BASED ON, ON YOUR STATEMENTS, THAT IT WOULD BE USED FOR POTENTIAL STORAGE.
I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE GLASS.
UH, SO I WILL, UM, LEAVE MY COMMENTS THERE.
WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON ACCESSIBILITY THAT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE SOLVED YET.
UH, WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE CODE, THAT IF THERE ARE ANY RESTRICTIONS, UM, A D A STANDARDS THAT WE NEED TO INCORPORATE THAT HAVE NOT ALREADY BEEN INCORPORATED, THAT WE CAN DO SO WITH THE APPLICATION.
SO LOOKING TO STAFF FOR ANY DIRECTION THERE.
SO FOR THE ACCESSIBILITY, WE HAVE SOMEONE IN OUR BUILDING STANDARDS DEPARTMENT THAT WE COULD WORK WITH, UM, AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT TO IDENTIFY BEST LOCATIONS FOR THOSE TO BE ON THE SITE.
UH, AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE F D P, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
WOULD IT ALSO APPLY TO THE PRELIMINARY PLATT OR JUST THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN? JUST THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
COULD I HAVE YOU START TO WORK ON LANGUAGE THERE FOR A CONDITION THREE? UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE LOOKED AND CONDITION ONE WITH, BECAUSE THAT ADDRESSES THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WAS ACCEPTING, WE CAN DO THE KLINE WORK WITH STAFF TO ENSURE ALIGNMENT BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING FOR THAT PATH ALONG EMERALD.
LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER CONCERNS, CONDITIONS, ANYTHING.
YES, MR. FISHMAN? I, I, I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT STORAGE.
I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.
IF THERE'S GONNA BE STORAGE, I WOULD BE AGAINST, UH, GLASS DOORS.
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WE GET A COMMITMENT THAT THEY'LL STRICTLY BE FOR TWO CARS.THAT, LET'S PUT THAT IN THE NO STORAGE IN THOSE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, I DON'T THINK CAN, SO LOOKING TO MR. BOGGS, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A, AN AVENUE FOR US TO PROHIBIT STORAGE IN A GARAGE OUTSIDE OF VEHICULAR STORAGE.
I I THINK THAT THE ROUTE TO THAT WOULD BE THAT ANY STORAGE OTHER THAN VEHICULAR STORAGE NOT BE VISIBLE TO THE EXTERIOR.
THAT'D BE AGREEABLE TO THE PETITIONER OR SOMETHING IN THE GARAGE.
SO IF THAT LANGUAGE IS AGREEABLE TO US, WE CAN DIRECT THAT TO THE APPLICANT.
AND, AND FOR THE RECORD, I WAS REFERRING TO A QUOTE FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING.
MR. SHIHAB RESPONDED THAT THE GARAGE SPACE IS PROPOSED BOTH AS A PARKING CONVENIENCE AND A STORAGE SPACE.
THAT WAS THE COMMENT THAT I WAS HIGHLIGHTING FROM LUNCH TIME.
I APPRECIATE YOU REMEMBERING THAT.
SO LOOKING TO THE APPLICANT, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE ACCEPTING OF THE GARAGES NOT HAVING, UH, VISIBLE STORAGE OUTSIDE OF VEHICULAR STORAGE? SO AGAIN, VISUAL IS THE KEY WORD THERE.
SO IF, IF I COULD HAVE YOU COME OR IF IT'S, UH, THE INTENT IS FOR VEHICLES, UH, PARKING, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN OBJECTION AGAINST STORAGE IF WE WERE TO CLARIFY IT AS MAYBE BANKER'S BOXES OR LEGAL FILES.
BUT, UH, THERE MIGHT BE A, A SNOW SHOVEL OR SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, INSTRUMENTS TO, UM, DO SOME MINOR THINGS ON THE PROPERTY IF NECESSARY.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY SOME, BUT NOT ALL.
AND SO IF IT'S NON-VISIBLE, I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE OBJECTS TO A, A SNOW SHOVEL BEING KEPT IN THE GARAGE SO LONG AS YOU CAN'T SEE A SNOW SHOVEL AND YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THROUGH THE GLASS DOORS.
YEAH, I, I THINK IN TERMS OF, UH, LARGE PAPER STORAGE OR FURNITURE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO, UH, PROHIBITING THAT.
I, I THINK A SOLUTION TO THAT IS THEY HAVE TO BE ENCLOSED IN THE GARAGE.
UH, I'VE SEEN MANY HOUSES WHERE THAT BACK WALL IS A CABINET AND YOU CAN PUT THE SNOW SHOVEL AND ALL THAT STUFF IN THERE.
I, I WOULD OBJECT IF, IF, UH, BECAUSE I, I THINK THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH SEEING TWO CARS IN THERE.
BUT THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG IF, IF IT'S ABUSED AND THERE'RE DUMPING BLOT BOXES IN THERE, OR TOOLS OR SNOW PLOW.
SO CAN I ASK A QUICK, CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING? 'CAUSE THIS, THIS WHOLE BUILDING HAS VERY NICE LARGE WINDOWS THROUGHOUT IT.
SO ARE WE MAKING A PROVISION THAT WE CAN'T PUT ANY STORAGE IN FRONT OF ANY WINDOWS IN THIS BUILDING? THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S THE SAME THING AS THE GARAGE, CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY COULD PUT BOXES IN FRONT OF THE, THESE WINDOWS ALL OVER THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING PROVISION FOR THAT.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, AM I ASKING? YEAH.
GARAGES ARE NOT TYPICAL IN A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE STICKING TO.
OFFICE ENVIRONMENTS HAVE HAVE WINDOWS AND OFFICES PRODUCED, BUT THERE'S STILL THE GLAZING, THERE'S STILL THE SAME AMOUNT OF GLAZING THOUGH.
IT'S JUST THE DIFFERENCE OF A GARAGE DOOR VERSUS A WINDOW WHICH HAS THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF GLAZING.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN, TO BE FAIR, I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONSTRICT TO SAY THEY CAN'T PUT ANY BOXES IN FRONT OF ANY WINDOWS.
'CAUSE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
UNDER THE OHIO BUILDING CODE, UH, THE USE GROUP OF THAT, UH, PARTICULAR AREA IS, UH, CLASSIFIED AS STORAGE.
IT'S, IT WOULD BE AUTOMOBILE STORAGE IN A GARAGE TYPE SETTING, BUT, UH, THE OFFICIAL OHIO BUILDING CODE CLASSIFICATION OF THAT AREA IS STORAGE.
SO THEN, UH, I GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION ON HOW THE CODE ADDRESSES GARAGES AND AMEND THAT TO HOW THE CODE ADDRESSES STORAGE.
IF WE CAN FIND THE PARTICULARS IN OUR CODE FOR HOW WE ADDRESS STORAGE AREAS IN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS? NO, I MEAN THE, THE ONLY STORAGE THAT DEFINITIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE ARE ABOUT MINI STORAGE, WHICH WOULD BE STORAGE UNITS.
UM, GARAGE ITSELF WOULD HAVE A SEPARATE DEFINITION OUTSIDE OF STORAGE, BUT ESSENTIALLY
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IS FOR VEHICULAR STORAGE.UM, WE CAN, WE CAN WRITE A CONDITION THAT SPEAKS SPECIFIC TO THE GARAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE STORAGE OTHER THAN VEHICULAR STORAGE VIS VISIBLE FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT WOULD MAKE THE COMMISSION MORE COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT GARAGE, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE ME MORE COMFORTABLE.
THE ALTERNATIVE TO THAT IS THAT THEY'RE OPAQUE.
UM, THAT'S SPEAKING FROM ONE COMMISSIONER'S PERSPECTIVE, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE COMM, THE CONDITION.
I'VE MADE COMMENTS THIS EVENING ABOUT IT, AND I, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS WELL.
CAN YOU REPEAT THAT MR. HANSEL? COULD YOU REPEAT THE CONDITION? YES.
SO THE CONDITION THAT I HAVE WRITTEN IS THE PROPOSED GARAGE, NOT HAVE STORAGE OTHER THAN VEHICULAR STORAGE VISIBLE FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND AGAIN, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO ADMINISTER THAT, AND IF IT BECAME AN ISSUE, THEN CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH THAT.
SO THAT IS FOUR COMMISSIONERS.
DOES THE APPLICANT AGREE TO THE TERM? YES, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
LOOKING UP TO OUR SCREENS, WE NOW HAVE THE, THE, UM, ITEM FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINOR TEXT DEVELOPMENT.
MR. PIMAN, I ASSUME THAT YOU, YOU OWN THE, WELL, THE OWN, THE OWNERS OF THE OTHER LOT ALSO CORRECT? THE, THE SECOND LOT OR THE FIRST LOT OR WHATEVER.
IT'S THE ONE THAT'S NOT BEING BUILT ON.
THE QUESTION WAS, ARE YOU ALSO THE OWNER OF THE ADJACENT PARCEL, THE ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE SUBDIVIDED INTO THAT 1.03 ACRE SITE? NO.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT OWNER? WELL, I, IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN PUT A CONDITION THAT LOT WILL BE MAINTAINED WITH GRASS AND AND SO ON UNTIL IT'S, IT'S DEVELOPED? SO WE DO THAT WOULD BE, WE DO HAVE CODE.
I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT WOULD BE AN EXISTING, YOU KNOW, BASELINE TYPE OF PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARD FOR THAT VACANT LOT UNTIL IT'S DEVELOPED.
WE DON'T NEED TO INCLUDE THAT AS A CONDITION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
COULD I SEE THE CONDITIONS AGAIN? OF COURSE.
IS THERE A COMMA MISSING? OH, THERE'S TWO.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, MR. SCHNEER KEEPS US ON OUR TOES.
I THINK IT'S JUST FOR CLARITY.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THE, UH, CONDITION, SO, UH, THE VEHICULAR, SO NUMBER FOUR, THE PROPOSED GARAGE NOT HAVE STORAGE COMMA OTHER THAN VEHICULAR STORAGE, COMMA VISIBLE F FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
I THINK THAT I READ THAT AS SORT OF, ANYHOW, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, COMES TWO COMMAS.
WHERE WERE OUR BRAINS? I'M DONE.
DO WE WANT TO CONDITION SOMETHING THERE? SO I, I DID HEAR YOUR COMMENT.
I HEARD MR. CHINOOK'S COMMENT ABOUT IT WASN'T HIS FAVORITE, HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT GOING TO START STOP HIM FROM MOVING FORWARD.
AND SO I I AGREE IT WOULD BE A TEMPERATURE CHECK TO SEE IF WE, IF WE'RE INCLINED TO GO THERE OR NOT.
I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ADDING IT.
UH, COULD YOU REPEAT THE, YOUR SUGGESTION? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, IS THAT WHAT, WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH MOVING? UH, ULTIMATE ULTIMATELY, I, I, I THINK WE WOULD WRITE IT AS, AND JENNY KEEP US HONEST HERE.
I THINK WE WOULD WRITE IT AS REFINE THAT GEOMETRY WITH STAFF.
AND SO IF THE END RESULT WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY, THAT WOULD STILL BE ACCEPTABLE.
UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING, BUT IF THEY GOT TO THE SAME THING WHERE THE INNER PROGRAMMING DOES NOT LEND ITSELF TO A ROOF OR A ROTUNDA CHANGE, THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
I, I THINK THERE HA YEAH, I THINK THERE, THERE'S AN EXPLORATION EXERCISE TO DO.
SO THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD WRITE IT.
NOT, NOT PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT THAT IN LARGE PART.
SO LOOKING TO THE APPLICANT, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REQUEST FROM AT LEAST SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION IS TO WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON THE GEOMETRY OF THAT ROTUNDA THAT COULD BE DONE TO MAKE IT MORE GEOMETRICALLY SIMILAR.
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YES.YEAH, I THINK HE'S STILL WORKING ON THEM.
MR. SCHNEER, UH, I'M GONNA LOOK TO YOU ONCE THEY'RE UP THERE.
SO AS LONG AS WE ALL UNDERSTAND, TO YOUR POINT, HENCE THE, IF ANY, IF NOTHING CHANGES, WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
AS LONG AS WE ALL KNOW THAT AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
UH, I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO REVIEW THE CONDITIONS TO ENSURE THAT AS DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, THAT THOSE ARE ACCEPTABLE PRIOR TO ASKING THE COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DELIBERATION.
ALRIGHT, WE WILL HANDLE THESE ONE AT A TIME.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, FOR THE MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION TO MODIFY THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT UNDER THE THOMAS KOHLER P C D SECTION.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT GONNA READ OFF THE SECTION BECAUSE I SCRIBBLED OVER IT.
THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU MR. WAY.
ALRIGHT, NOW, UH, THE NEXT ONE IS FOR OUR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE FIVE CONDITIONS NOW.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE FIVE CONDITIONS AS DISCUSSED THIS EVENING.
FINALLY THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH THE SINGLE CONDITION, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION HERE THIS EVENING ON THE LAW OFFICE.
WE CERTAINLY ANTICIPATE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEPS AND STARTING TO SEE THE, THE, THE EARTH MOVE.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON THIS EVENING.
[Case #23-057]
OUR NEXT CASE IS THE OHIO HEALTH REHABILITATION HOSPITAL, UM, DUBLIN, LOCATED AT 38 0 5 EMERALD PARKWAY.THIS IS AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STORY APPROXIMATELY OF 11,000 SQUARE FOOT EDITION AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS TO AN EXISTING REHABILITATION HOSPITAL.
THE APPROXIMATELY FIVE AND THREEQUARTER ACRE SITE IS ZONE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NORTHEAST QUAD, AND IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF THE EMERALD PARKWAY AND SUMMER DRIVE.
MS. MULLINAX, I WILL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR CASE PRESENTATION.
THIS CASE IS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE OHIO HEALTH REHABILITATION HOSPITAL.
APPROVAL OF A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS GENERALLY A THREE STEP PROCESS WITH AN ADDITIONAL FOUR STEP FOR AN AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IF AMENDMENTS ARE REQUIRED, IF APPROVED, THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF ON ANY CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND THEN PROCEED TO BUILDING PERMITTING.
THE 5.76 ACRE SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AND LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF EMERALD PARKWAY AND SOMER DRIVE.
THE SITE IS ZONED P U D NORTHEAST QUAD AND IS WITHIN SUB AREA FIVE B.
THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2019, AND AS MENTIONED, THE COMMISSION WILL BE REVIEWING A REQUEST FOR AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THIS EVENING.
EXISTING CONDITIONS, IMAGES SHOW KEY AREAS OF THE SITE THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, WHICH INCLUDE THE LARGE GREEN OPEN SPACE, UH, WHERE THE ADDITION IS PROPOSED, PATIO AMENITY SPACES,
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AND THEN THE POND AREA, UM, WITH BENCH SEATING.THE PROPOSED BUILDING ADDITION IS 10,936 SQUARE FEET AND WE'LL ACCOMMODATE 20 ADDITIONAL BEDS.
SITE MODIFICATIONS INCLUDE RELOCATING TWO PATIO AMENITY SPACES, TREES, AND LIGHT POLES TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITION AND ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING PER THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT.
PERMITTED DENSITY OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE IS ALLOWED, UH, FOR A 5.676 ACRE SITE.
THAT'S A MAXIMUM OF 57,600 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE PROPOSED DENSITY IS MET.
ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ARE MET EXCEPT FOR A PROPOSED PATIO AMENITY SPACE, WHICH IS OUTLINED HERE IN RED, AND THAT ENCROACHES IN THE SUMMER DRIVE BUILDING LINE SETBACK, WHICH WILL BE FURTHER DESCRIBED LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION WAS APPROVED TO DECREASE THE HOSPITAL PARKING REQUIREMENT TO TWO PARKING SPACES PER 1000 SQUARE FOOT OF BUILDING WITH THIS MODIFICATION, 114 PARKING SPACES AND FIVE 80 D A ACCESSIBLE SPACES ARE REQUIRED.
EXISTING CONDITIONS PROVIDE 103 SPACES, WHICH INCLUDES 11 A D A SPACES.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 22 SPACES, INCLUDING TWO A D A SPACES THAT ARE OUTLINED IN RED.
ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING, UM, MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE OF PAST PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSIONS AND THE REDUCTION IN PARKING AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE STAFF IS REQUESTING THE COMMISSION'S OPINION ON THE PARKING REQUEST.
LASTLY, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 12 BY PARKING SPACES TO LINE WITH FUTURE GOALS OF THE CITY.
SO THE PROPOSED ADDITION REFLECTS THE CHARACTER AND BASIC BUILDING MATERIALS OF THE EXISTING HOSPITAL BUILDING.
BOTH BUILDINGS ARE CONNECTED BY A GLASS PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY.
THE WEST ELEVATION IS FINISHED WITH FULL DEPTH BRICK WITH BAYS INSET FROM THE PRIMARY PLANE ACCENTED BY STONE VENEER COLUMNS.
THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS CONTAIN A GLASS ENTRY, WHICH IS COVERED BY AN EXTRUDED ALUMINUM CANOPY.
AND LASTLY, THE HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION, AS WELL AS THE R T U SCREENING IS 28 FEET, WHICH MEETS THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED BUILDING HEIGHT OF 60 FEET.
THE PROPOSED BUILDING MATERIALS ARE AN APPROVED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, MATERIAL FOR THE MAIN BUILDING OR ARE PROPOSED TO MATCH THE APPROVED MATERIAL USING A DIFFERENT MANUFACTURER.
SEVERAL OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING MATERIALS ARE EITHER NO LONGER AVAILABLE OR THAT MANUFACTURER HAS SINCE CHANGED.
APPLICABLE MATERIALS ARE MARKED BY AN ASTERISK ON THIS SLIDE.
AND THE NEXT, THESE ARE THE REST OF THE BUILDING MATERIALS.
THE ADDITION WILL CONTAIN THREE WALL LIGHT FIXTURES THAT MATCH THE APPROVED WALL SCONCES ON THE MAIN BUILDING.
THERE ARE NO OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, HOWEVER, THE SITE IS SUBJECT TO DENSITY REQUIREMENTS WHICH DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE.
THE TWO EXISTING PATIO AMENITY SPACES WILL BE RELOCATED TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH OF THE ADDITION, REUSING ALL EXISTING MATERIALS.
A THIRD PATIO AMENITY SPACE IS PROPOSED NEAR THE POND ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING BENCH AND SIDEWALK.
AND STAFF IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ADDITIONAL SPACE BECAUSE IT ENCROACHES INTO THE BUILDING LINE SETBACK.
UM, AND SPACE IS VERY LIMITED IN THE AREA.
AND IF THE PATIO WERE TO BE REDESIGNED, IT WOULD BE ENCROACHING, UM, ON ANY GRADING CONFLICTS WITH THE POND.
A PROPOSED CONDITION OF APPROVAL RECOMMENDS THE REMOVAL OF THIS PATIO AMENITY SPACE.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE'S LANDSCAPING DOES EXIST.
THE BUILDING ADDITION AND ADDITIONAL PARKING TRIGGERS, LANDSCAPE MODIFICATIONS INCLUDING RELOCATING 21 TREES AND ADDING TWO NEW TREES TO MEET GROUND COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS AND ADDING VEHICULAR USE AREA HEDGE SCREENING FOR NEW PARKING SPACES EAST OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, BUILDING FOUNDATION.
PLANTINGS AND LANDSCAPE BEDS AROUND PATIO AMENITY SPACES ARE ALSO PROVIDED ALL LANDSCAPING MEETS CODE REQUIREMENTS, OH, SORRY,
UM, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A COUPLE OF PERSPECTIVES FOR THE PROPOSED, UH, BUILDING ADDITION.
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ALL A F D P CRITERIA IS EITHER MET, MET WITH CONDITIONS OR NOT APPLICABLE, AND PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH TWO CONDITIONS.WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT'S IN ATTENDANCE.
I I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT MR. WAY TO SEE IF HE HAS QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS ON SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT HE MIGHT MR. WAY.
SO I, I WAS CAUGHT BY THIS, UH, COMMENTS FROM STAFF THAT THIS THIRD SPACE DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING SETBACK LINE.
AND SO THERE'S AN EXISTING BENCH THERE, EXISTING WALK, IT'S ALREADY AN EXISTING THING AND THEY WERE EXPANDING ONTO IT.
UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, YOU CAN LITERALLY PUSH THE SPACE, UM, SO THAT IT'S BEHIND THE BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE AND STILL ACCOMMODATE A SPACE THERE.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO D A SWORD FOR THE SPACE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE AND THERE'S THE POND AND THERE'S A FOUNTAIN AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, I'M IN A REHAB HOSPITAL AND I'D LIKE TO GET OUT AWAY FROM THE BUILDING AND OVERLOOK SOMETHING THAT'S PLEASANT AND HEAR THE SOUND OF WATER.
AND TO ME IN A HEALTHCARE SITUATION, WATER AND GREENERY ARE, ARE A GREAT HEALING ENVIRONMENT.
SO I WAS LIKE, THAT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN, MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING THAT YOU, THAT YOU ALL HAVE LOOKED AT THAT ARE CAUSING YOU TO SAY THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING TO DO MR. WAY YOU DID NOT DISAPPOINT
HAPPY TO EXPAND FURTHER UPON THAT.
SO, UM, CODE ONLY ALLOWS A FIVE FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO A FRONT BUILDING LINE SETBACK.
UM, IN STAFF'S REVIEW, IT WAS OUR IMPRESSION THAT IF THIS WAS TO BE RECONFIGURED IN ANY WAY, THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME POSSIBLE, UM, GRADING CONFLICTS WITH THE POND.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONALLY, THIS IS A SPACE THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE, ALTHOUGH VERY NICE TO YOUR POINT.
UM, THEY ARE RELOCATING AND PROVIDING THOSE EXISTING PROPOSED, UM, PATIO AMENITY SPACES.
SO THIS IS REALLY AN EXTRA SPACE.
UM, AND FOR THOSE REASONS WE JUST RECOMMENDED TO AVOID IT ALL TOGETHER OR LEAVE IT AS AN EXISTING CONDITION.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY OPEN TO THE COMMISSION'S, UH, COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK.
I, I JUST, AGAIN, I, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A DESIGN SOLUTION TO IT THAT WOULD MEET EVERYBODY'S REQUIREMENTS.
AND AGAIN, I, I'D LOVE TO HEAR THE APPLICANT'S COMMENTS ON THIS AT SOME POINT BECAUSE MAYBE I'M MAKING A BIGGER DEAL.
BUT, YOU KNOW, DOING A LOT OF WORK IN HEALTHCARE ENVIRONMENTS, KNOWING THE THINGS THAT ARE HELPFUL IN, IN A, IN A HEALING WAY.
IT'S, IT'S AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT TUCKED IN A BUILDING, NOT IN A LITTLE COURTYARD, BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN GET AWAY.
AND, AND AGAIN, I I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT SITE, YOU GO DOWN TO STREET LEVEL AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S A, IT'S AN INTERESTING ENVIRONMENT.
SO I, I PERSONALLY WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD FIND A SOLUTION TO MAKE SOMETHING MORE OUT OF THAT THAN JUST A SINGLE BENCH.
AND IF YOU ACTUALLY, AGAIN, I DIDN'T DO A DETAILED ANALYSIS, BUT IF I'M IN A WHEELCHAIR, 'CAUSE I'M IN A REHAB HOSPITAL, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY ROOM FOR A WHEELCHAIR TO GET DOWN TO THAT BENCH AND MAYBE MOVE AROUND.
AND SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS CREATING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN ENVIRONMENT FOR MOBILITY AND FOR CIRCULATION.
THANK YOU, MR. WE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME, MR. CHINOOK? SO REGARDING THE LANDSCAPING, UM, NOT TO, UM, PLAY MR WAY, BUT I'M GOING TO FOR A SECOND.
THE, UM, DOES IT MEET THE, BECAUSE I THINK THE RENDERING'S A LITTLE DECEIVING 'CAUSE THE RENDERING MAKES IT LOOK, IT'S LIKE IT'S VERY, UM, FLAT AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, ON THE GRADING LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME MOUNDING AND A LOT MORE LANDSCAPING.
AND I GUESS WITH THE ADDITION OF THOSE PARKING SPACES, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO, UH, KEEP THOSE CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND HIDING THOSE PARKING SPACES.
SO IS THAT, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY, THE, THE RENDERINGS MAYBE NOT QUITE ACCURATELY SHOWING AND WE ARE MEETING ALL LANDSCAPING AND, AND MOUNTING REQUIREMENTS? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
ALL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.
UM, MOST OF ANY LIKE MOUNDING OR LANDSCAPING THAT YOU'RE SEEING AT THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY IS EXISTING AND NOT CHANGING.
UM, YOU KNOW, SIMPLY THE, A LOT OF THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE TREES THAT ARE BEING RELOCATED ARE DUE TO WHERE THE ADDITION IS PROPOSED AND ARE STILL BEING PROVIDED AND RELOCATED ON SITE.
AND THEN THE APPLICANT'S ACTUALLY ADDING MORE
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TREES, UM, ON TOP OF THAT AS WELL.MS. HARDER, I JUST, I JUST TO ADD TO THAT, HOW MANY MORE TREES 'CAUSE IS IT THEY'RE ADDING TWO, TWO ADDITIONAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
IS THE APPLICANT IN ATTENDANCE? I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU UP IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND WAITING FOR THE GREEN LIGHT ON THE MICROPHONE AFTER PRESSING THE BUTTON AND STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, BELFER SELECT MEDICAL.
UM, JUST WANT TO COMMENT BACK TO THE, UH, THIRD PATIO JUST TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.
BEING IT'S A REHAB HOSPITAL, UM, COMMISSIONER WAY YOU ARE CORRECT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HEALING ENVIRONMENT, BUT JUST FROM THE DISTANCE OF HOW IT FAR IT IS FROM THE BUILDING, JUST TO KNOW HOW THE STAFF, MEANING THE, THE NURSING AND A THERAPY STAFF OPERATES, CHANCES ARE THEY WILL RARELY TAKE THE PATIENT THAT FAR AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
NOW IT'S A PERFECT ENVIRONMENT FOR VISITORS, UM, UH, EVEN STAFF TO KIND OF, TO GET AWAY FROM A BUILDING.
BUT AS FAR AS FROM THE PATIENT CARE, CHANCES ARE THEY WON'T TAKE THE PATIENT THAT FAR.
IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK, UH, AT THE BUILDING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL UP A FLOOR PLAN JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF AN, AN IDEA ABOUT THE ACTUAL PATIENT, UH, MOVE.
SO IF YOU SEE THE TWO PRONGS WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING HOSPITAL RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THE U-SHAPE, THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE PATIO THAT'S AN IATION COURSE.
THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME WHERE THE PATIENTS ARE ACTUALLY TAKEN OUTSIDE FOR ANY KIND OF A THERAPY AND AN OUTSIDE ENVIRONMENT.
AND EVEN IF THEY DO TAKE 'EM TO THE FRONT DOOR, IF IT'S FAMILY THAT'S THERE, THAT'S USUALLY HOW FAR THEY WILL STEP AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
SO AGAIN, JUST LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE PERFECTLY FINE KEEPING IT OR TRYING TO WORK, WORK WITH THE STAFF OR REMOVING IT.
I JUST WANT TO BE KIND OF, UH, TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE, THE ACTUAL USE BY, UH, PATIENTS WHILE THEY'RE STAYING AT THE HOSPITAL.
MR. WE, SO JUST, JUST TO BUILD ON THAT, SO THERE, THAT THIRD SPACE IS IN THE PLAN.
SOMEBODY AS THEY WERE WORKING THROUGH THIS, UM, WANTED THAT AS PART OF THE PROGRAM.
SO, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S GONNA BE USED.
I JUST WONDER HOW DID, HOW DID THAT WHOLE IDEA COME OUT TO BEGIN WITH? NOT, NOT BY PATIENTS PER SE.
I THINK THE, THE INTENT WAS BECAUSE WHERE THE EMPTY LOT IS NOW, THERE'S LIKE A GARDEN THERE NOW AND I BELIEVE FROM PREVIOUS DEVELOPER THEY PUT THE GARDEN THERE BECAUSE, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A VACANT GRASS LOT NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
BUT BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING A NEW BUILDING OVER IT, WE WANTED TO SPREAD OUT AND ADD MORE FEATURES JUST TO SATISFY ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT MIGHT COME FROM THE CITY.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S A GREAT FEATURE NEXT TO THE POND FOR STAFF.
I JUST WANTED TO CLAR CLARIFY ABOUT THE PATIENT CARE SPACE.
THOUGHT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD SPEAK TO, ANSWER THAT ONE.
IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, TODD FERRIS WITH FERRIS PINING AND DESIGN 4 8 7 6 CEMETERY ROAD.
UM, ALL THE PERIMETER EXTERIOR LANDSCAPING IS GONNA STAY THE WAY IT IS TODAY.
WE'RE REALLY NOT TOUCHING THAT.
THERE IS ONE CORNER, SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE WHERE WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER HEDGE FOR VEHICULAR SCREENING, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WILL STAY THE SAME, UH, ESPECIALLY IF THAT, THAT ONE LITTLE SEATING AREA DOES GO AWAY.
SO WE'LL DEFINITELY ALL STAY THE SAME, BUT YEAH, THAT ALL THE IMPACT IS INTERNAL TO THE SITE.
TO ADD TO THAT, WHEN YOU ARE, UM, COMING DOWN W DOT WOODS BOULEVARD AND YOU'RE FACED, UM, STRAIGHT AHEAD ONTO THE PROPERTY, WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT, UH, WITH THE MOUNDING UP.
UM, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ANY ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S A, A NICE DRIVE THERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE STOPPING AND THEY REALLY LOOK AT THAT, WHAT YOUR PROPERTY IS AND MAKING SURE TOO IS IT LOOKS NICE AND SECOND THAT THEY'RE NOT SEEING CARS.
WELL, CURRENTLY ALL THE MOUNTING AND LANDSCAPING THAT IS THERE MEETS CODE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT FOR SCREENING.
SO TECHNICALLY THERE IS NO, NO ADDITIONAL NEED, UH, FOR THAT TO MEET A CODE REQUIREMENT.
UH, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL NEED FROM LIKE WHAT YOU SAY FROM THAT, THEN THAT WOULD BE ABOVE AND BEYOND AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE'VE ALREADY FULFILLED ALL THE OTHER ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
WHEN YOU WERE, UH, THINKING AND WORKING ON LANDSCAPING,
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UM, DID YOU CONSIDER WHAT, UM, LIKE OVER AT, UH, KROGER'S AND THE CLUSTERING OF DIFFERENT TREES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT JUST SO THAT IT KIND OF CONNECTS, UM, THOSE ADJOINING LANDSCAPINGS THOSE LOOKS THINKING? RIGHT, RIGHT.UM, AGAIN, THAT MOST OF THAT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE AT THE, UH, THE FIRST BUILDING.
AND, AND WE DID INCORPORATE A LOT OF THOSE MATERIALS, THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIALS WE'D ACTUALLY DONE PART OF THE EXPANSION FOR KROGER THEMSELVES.
UH, WHICH IS IRONIC, WE HAD TO REPLACE SOME REPLACEMENT TREES THAT WERE PUT THERE BY KROGER BECAUSE BRIAN MARTIN LET 'EM DO IT
SO, SO THERE, THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAD GONE ON IT AND WE DID PICK THAT UP BETWEEN THE, THE TWO DIFFERENT, UH, PROPERTIES.
DOES THIS PROPERTY HAVE ANY, UM, LIKE PINE TREES AND SO FORTH? UH, I DON'T THINK IT HAS A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE, UM, WE HAD A LOT OF, UH, REPLACEMENT TREES TO PUT ON BACK ON THIS SITE AND, UH, PINE TREES DON'T RE, UH, COUNT AS REPLACEMENT TREES.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT OF EVERGREEN ON THIS.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME ALONG, UH, EMERALD PARKWAY, BUT, UH, NOT A WHOLE LOT INTERNAL ESTRO.
CHINOOK, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE.
THE FIRST IS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION WHERE YOU HAVE THE MECHANICAL SCREENING, IT BREAKS THERE.
IS THERE A REASON WHY, AGAIN, IN THIS COLOR ELEVATION I'M REFERENCING, THERE'S A, THERE'S A BREAK IN THE SCREENING.
IS THERE A WAY THAT CAN BE CONTINUED OR DOES IT HAVE TO BREAK RIGHT THERE? CAN YOU, UH, DAVID COLLINS, 67 30 AVALON AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS, UM, WITH PERKINS OF WILLIE ARCHITECT.
COULD YOU PUT THAT ELEVATION ON THE SCREEN PLEASE? YOU TALKING ABOUT ON THE RIGHT SIDE THE YEAH, CORRECT.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THAT IS, BUT YES.
UM, THAT, THAT IS THE ENTRY DOOR INTO THE ACTUAL SCREENING.
SO THAT IS JUST WOULD BE THE SAME PAINTED COLOR AS THE, UM, OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
AS LONG AS I THINK THAT SCREENING JUST NEEDS TO CONTINUE THERE.
BECAUSE I HATE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IN THERE, IT'S SUCH A
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD ON THE ARCHITECTURE, IF YOU WANNA LEAVE THAT UP FOR A MINUTE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THE SOUTH ELEVATION, SORRY, NOT THE SOUTH, THE EAST ELEVATION.
I'M SORRY, THE EAST ELEVATION, WHICH ISN'T HERE,
UM, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT A LOT.
I MEAN, WITH, WITH THAT BEING SO CLOSE TO THE EXISTING BUILDING, UM, AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE GREAT VIEWS OUT TO THAT EXPANSION, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL ARTICULATION ON THAT ELEVATION.
IS THERE A REASON F I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT AGAIN WITH THE, THE UH, PATIENTS, THEY'RE LOOKING RIGHT OUT TO THAT AND YOU'VE GOT A NICE, BEAUTIFUL BUILDING EVERYWHERE ELSE, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THAT AREA MIGHT OR THAT ELEVATION LACKS A LITTLE BIT.
IS THERE, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? UH, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE REST OF THE BUILDING IN ITSELF, EVEN THE FRONT ELEVATION, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF STONE ON SEVERAL ELEVATIONS.
SO IT WAS A, IT WAS A COST ISSUE.
I GUESS AGAIN, WITH THAT THERE'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S A PRIMARY, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A NICE VIEW OUT THOSE, THOSE WINDOWS OF THE, IT'S EXISTING BUILDING, IT'S, AND LOOKING OUT TO THAT IT IS, BUT IT'S MATCHING THE REST OF THE ARCHITECTURE FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, UM, COMMENT BY MR. CHINOOK, LOOKING AT THAT EAST ELEVATION THAT, UH, THERE IS A LACK OF ARTICULATION AND THOUGH IT IS, DOES HAVE WINDOWS ALONG THERE, WE HAVE PRETTY HIGH PERCENTAGES ON, UM, PERCENTAGE OF PRIMARY USE, SECONDARY USE MATERIALS, THAT SORT OF THING.
DOES THAT MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CODE FOR FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURE? SO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT DOES NOT CONTAIN PERCENTAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR A PRIMARY SECONDARY, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS.
UM, IT JUST REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIALS, BRICKS, STONE, UM, THAT, THAT'S CARRIED THROUGHOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE FACADES AND, UM, MATCHING ANY EXISTING BUILDINGS AS WELL AS SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT, IT MEETS ALL THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT REQUIREMENTS CONCERNING MATERIALS AND ARCHITECTURE FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
MR. AK, UM, I'M GONNA GO SORT OF TO THE SAME SPOT, UH, IN, IN THE LAYOUT RIGHT? THAT LONG NARROW THROAT THAT, UM, IS BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS GOING TOWARDS THE NORTH SIDE IN PARTICULAR, I GUESS I'M, I'M MASKING AND NOT ADVOCATING.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, NOTHING TO, NOTHING TO TRIP YOU UP ON.
UM, DID YOU CONSIDER AT ALL SOMEHOW MAKING THAT ACCESSIBLE? WHICH SECTION? I'M SORRY, THE COURTYARD?
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YEAH, BASIC.BASICALLY THE, YOU, YOU HAVE A SEC, A SECOND OPPORTUNITY FOR A COURTYARD.
MIND YOU, IT'S LONG AND NARROW.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.
AGAIN, IT'S REALLY NEITHER HERE NOR THERE FOR US, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE Y'ALL COULD BENEFIT FROM IT IN A REALLY RICH WAY.
CAN YOU ACTUALLY PUT UP THE FLOOR PLAN OR THE SITE PLAN AGAIN PLEASE? I JUST WONDER IF YOU GAVE THAT ANY, ANY CONSIDERATION FOR YOURSELVES.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT WAS DESCRIBED EARLIER IS THE ORIGINAL BUILDING IS KIND OF A U-SHAPE.
WELL IT'S, IT'S WHERE THE LETTER LETTER G IS, THAT'S OUTDOOR AREA RIGHT THERE FOR ALL THE STAFF AND, AND FOR THE THEM TO TAKE THE PATIENTS OUT.
AND, AND, AND IN THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S REALLY CONTROLLED AREA BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE GYM.
IT'S NOT AN UNCONTROLLED AREA, A NEW COURTYARD, WHICH IS REALLY JUST A VIEW CORRIDOR FOR MORE, MORE CREATES PROBLEMS FOR YOU.
JUST TO ADD TO THAT, DUE TO JUST THE, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, EVEN IF WE WERE TO MAKE A WALKWAY AND TO BRING PATIENTS THROUGH THERE, NOW YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY WALK PATIENTS AND POSSIBLY EVEN FAMILY CLOSE TO WINDOWS OF ACTUAL PATIENT ROOMS. YEAH.
DO WE KNOW JUST THE PRIVACY STANDPOINT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT IN THERE AND IT'S AWAY FROM THAT AREA.
ALRIGHT, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR DELIBERATION.
THIS IS OHIO HEALTH REHABILITATION HOSPITAL, AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, IF YOU COULD PRESENT MS. MULLINAX THE TWO CONDITIONS UP THERE.
MR. CHINNOCK, YOU WANNA START US OFF? YEAH.
O O OVERALL, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A NICE JOB MATCHING THE EXISTING, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE EXISTING BUILDING IS A VERY NICE DESIGN.
I THINK YOU'VE DONE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THAT.
UM, I, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING THE PATIO THERE.
I DON'T FEEL A NEED TO REMOVE IT TO THE, THE CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER.
UM, SO I, I THINK IT'S FINE, FINE TO LEAVE IT.
I THINK IT'S A NICE AMENITY TO HAVE, EVEN IF IT MIGHT NOT BE USED AS MUCH.
WHY, WHY, WHY REMOVE IT? UM, AGAIN, BACK TO THE ARCHITECTURE FOR A MOMENT.
I DO THINK TO MS. SUPLEX POINT, WE HAVE AN AREA IN THERE THAT COULD BE LANDSCAPED OR SOMETHING.
I HATE TO CREATE THESE LITTLE STRANGE COURTYARDS THAT BECOME, YOU KNOW, DEAD GRASS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
SO I WOULD JUST CALL SOME ATTENTION.
AGAIN, NOT, NOT THAT WE NEED PAINT CONDITIONS THERE, BUT I WOULD JUST, IF THERE'S SOME LANDSCAPING OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE IN THOSE, THOSE VOIDS, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A NICE THING TO DO.
BUT OVERALL, I'M, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE, THE ADDITION.
MS. HARDER, UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, PRESENTING THIS EVENING AND, UH, US LOOKING OVER THE PLANS AND SO FORTH AND CLEARING ABOUT SOME THINGS, CLARIFYING SOME THINGS.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME MISSED OPPORTUNITIES THOUGH WITH LANDSCAPING.
THERE'S, THIS IS A NEW AREA THAT MEANING A A A MORE OF A, A WALKABLE AREA.
PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN THAT AREA.
UM, AND, UM, AND WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING OUT, UM, AND KIND OF SEEING YOUR PLACE, THERE IS THAT OPPORTUNITY THAT I THINK IS BEING MISSED OF, UM, OF DIFFERENT LANDSCAPING THAT COULD BE A BENEFIT, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO WHERE YOU ARE TODAY.
AND THEN CONNECTING WHAT I, I, I DON'T SEE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN YOU AND THE OTHER AREAS AROUND.
UM, AND IF IT'S GOING BEYOND A BIT AND THINKING OF THAT, I THINK THAT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU.
I AM FINE ABOUT, UM, THE PATIOS AND THINKING ABOUT THE WATER AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN BY, UH, MOVING FORWARD, I THINK, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
BUT THANK YOU FOR LISTENING MY THOUGHTS.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I NEGLECTED TO ASK IF THERE WERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WANTED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS CASES PRIOR TO THE COMMISSION ENTERING DELIBERATION.
I THINK, UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.
I I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THE REASONS YOU'RE DOING CERTAIN THINGS.
I THINK THE COURTYARDS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE PATIENT ROOMS AND KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF THERE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, PATIENT SAFETY AND, UH, PRIVACY'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO I THINK IF THOSE ARE JUST, JUST NICE SPACES, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS LANDSCAPING IN THERE THAT'S PROPOSED AND I THINK THAT'S FINE.
AND YOU'VE GOT THE LITTLE SPACE ONE AND TWO NORTH AND SOUTH, THAT OBVIOUSLY PROVIDES SOME OUTDOOR KIND OF GATHERING AREAS.
UM, I, I THINK AS I UNDERSTAND SPACE THREE, IT'S THERE BECAUSE IT WAS A CODE REQUIREMENT AND STAFF IS SAYING WE'RE GONNA BACK OFF OF THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES OF THE SITE, I WOULD, AGAIN, AND I TAKE IT THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT GO OUT THERE, BUT MAYBE THEY DON'T GO OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO I WOULD ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE THIRD SPACE, UH, AND TO BE DESIGNED TO FIT WITH
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WHATEVER CHALLENGES THERE ARE FOR THAT AREA.AND, AND I GOTTA BELIEVE ON A NICE DAY, A LOVED ONE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUSH THEIR, THEIR, YOU KNOW, PERSON THAT'S IN, IN FOR CARE OUT THERE.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE THIRD LOCATION IS NOT A CODE REQUIREMENT.
AND SO BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CODE REQUIREMENT STAFF AND, AND BECAUSE OF ITS PLACEMENT.
YEAH, I WAS JUST READING THAT INTO IT, THAT THERE WAS SOMEBODY TRYING TO DO SOMETHING TO, BUT I GET IT.
THANK YOU MR. MAY IF I CAN, MRS CAN I CLARIFY REAL QUICK? SORRY.
IT'S NOT THAT THERE IS THE THIRD AREA.
IT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING DOESN'T MEET THE SETBACK.
SO IF THE COMMISSION THINKS THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT TO BE THERE AND ENCROACH IN THAT SETBACK, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
UM, YOUR FIRST PASS, UH, YIELDED A LOVELY BUILDING.
UH, THE SECOND PASS HERE IS ALSO YIELDING A LOVELY BUILDING.
I'M SUPPORTIVE ACROSS THE BOARD YOUR, UH, UH, LAND LANDSCAPING.
WELL, I, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE THIRD LITTLE COURTYARD AS WELL.
THANK YOU, MR. LAC, MR. FISHMAN.
I, I DEFINITELY, UH, WOULD SUPPORT THE THIRD, UH, SPACE.
I, I, I, I THINK THAT'S YOUR REQUIRED AND WHATEVER MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, I'M, I'M IN.
UM, I DROVE TO THE SITE FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF DRIVING PAST THE SITE FOR THE 5000TH TIME.
IT'S A, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE THAT WE HOPE WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO.
I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB ON YOU JUST, YOU DON'T SEE IT UNTIL YOU'RE THERE.
UM, SO THE FACT THERE'S A KROGER ACROSS THE STREET, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW THAT.
SO, UH, I, I, I THINK, UM, YOU SHOULD BE CONGRATULATED ON THE EFFORTS THUS FAR.
AND I SEE THIS AS COMPLIMENTARY TO THAT.
UH, I ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
I THINK THAT ALL YOU'RE DOING IS ENHANCING THE BUILDING.
WE LOVE THAT YOU SEE A NEED TO GROW IN DUBLIN AND SO THAT, THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES NOT JUST TO YOUR BUSINESS, BUT ALSO TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING A GOOD CITY PARTNER.
UM, I ALSO WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF WORKING WITH STAFF ON THE PLACEMENT OF THAT THIRD PATIO.
MAYBE IT DOESN'T ENCROACH QUITE SO MUCH.
I DO THINK IT'S A LOVELY AMENITY TO THE SITE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT FOR PATIENTS, EVEN IT'S FOR IF IT'S FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES TO GO OUT AND EAT LUNCH AWAY FROM WHERE THE PATIENTS ARE TO TAKE A BREAK.
UH, SO MY ONE COMMISSIONER VIEW, AND I'D LIKE TO LOOK TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONER IS THAT CONDITION THAT CURRENTLY SAYS, UH, THE APPLICANT REMOVES.
I WOULD, UH, PROPOSE THAT IT SAY THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF ON THE PROPOSED PATIO AMENITY SPACE WEST OF THE EXISTING SIDEWALK.
THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.
IF, IF STAFF SEES THAT IT NEEDS TO COMPLETELY DISAPPEAR OR IF THE APPLICANT IS ACCEPTING OF ITS MOVEMENT WHERE IT DOESN'T ENCROACH AND DOESN'T AFFECT THE, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.
SO LOOKING AT COMMISSIONERS, MAKING SURE I GET FOUR NODS AND I GOT MORE THAN FOUR NODS, MS. AND I WOULD, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT SIMILAR TO THE COMMISSION'S LAST CASE, IF, IF AFTER WORKING WITH STAFF IT TURNS OUT THAT THE SAME PATIO, UM, REMAINS, THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE AN ACCEPTABLE OUTCOME FOR THE COMMISSION AS WELL.
I'M SEEING AT LEAST THREE MORE, SO THANK YOU MR. BOX.
ALRIGHT, SO MS. MULLINAX, COULD I HAVE YOU PRESENT THE CONDITIONS AND MAKE THAT MODIFICATION? UH, ESSENTIALLY I'M JUST CHANGING THE WORD REMOVES TO WORK WITH STAFF ON.
AND MR. CHIN, CAN WE, CAN WE ADD, OR HOW DO WE WANNA HANDLE THE, UH, ROOFTOP SCREENING ON THE, UH, NORTH ELEVATION? CAN WE, I I BELIEVE THEY CLARIFIED THAT.
LOOKING TO THE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
YES, THAT IS, IT WILL BE SOLID.
ALRIGHT, SO MR. BOGGS, UNLESS YOU OBJECT, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A THIRD CONDITION ON THIS.
IT'S A REQUIREMENT AND THE APPLICANT SAID THAT.
ALRIGHT, UH, LOOKING TO THE APPLICANT TO ENSURE THAT THE WORDS ON THE SCREEN MEET, UH, THE MODIFICATIONS TO THAT CONDITION MEET PERFECT.
GETTING HEAD NODS LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION.
ALRIGHT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
OF COURSE HE KEEPS US ON OUR TOES.
I'M TELLING YOU, YOU, YOU JUST HAVE TO TALK A LITTLE FASTER AND THEN YOU CAN GET PAST ME.
I'M NOT SURE THAT IT SAYS WHAT WE WANT TO SAY IS, SO TAKE, TAKE THE MIDDLE, THE APPLICANT, WORK WITH STAFF ON DESIGN THE THIRD PATIO AMENITY SPACE, SKIP THE REST, WHICH IS EXPLANATORY AND THEN REVIEWED
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AND APPROVED.I GUESS WHAT, WHAT IS, IS THERE A WORD MISSING OR? WELL, PER, I THINK IT WOULD BE ONE OF EITHER OF TWO THINGS.
EITHER TWO AFTER THAT, COMMA, CAN WE GET THAT TEXT BACK UP ON THE UH, SCREEN EITHER FOLLOWING THE COMMA AFTER POND SAY TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY STAFF AT PERMITTING OR REALLY THAT FINAL CLAUSE IS REDUNDANT BECAUSE WE ALREADY SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WORK WITH STAFF.
WHICH IS NECESSARILY PRIOR TO, YOU KNOW, PERMITTING.
SO STRIKING AFTER THE FIRST SEMICOLON, WE COULD STRIKE THE LAST CLAUSE PROBABLY RIGHT.
STRIKING REVIEWED, ALL LOOKING AT MR. BOGGS.
IS THE TEXT ACCEPTABLE LOOKING TO THE APPLICANT? YES.
IS UNDERSTANDING ALL HEAD NODS.
ALRIGHT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND LET ME GET MY HANDY DANDY NOTES OUT HERE.
UM, UH, TO APPROVE THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE MODIFIED TWO CONDITIONS AS SEEN ON THE SCREEN.
IT WAS CERTAINLY A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH HUGH TONIGHT.
AND AGAIN, WE LOVE TO SEE YOU GROW IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING NEXT IMPROVEMENTS.
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COMMUNICATIONS.WE HAVE A FEW ITEMS, MS. ROUSH ON THE, ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMMISSION TOUR, THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING AND THE STATE PLANNING CONFERENCE.
SO I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU ON THOSE ITEMS. GREAT.
UH, I'M GONNA HAVE BASSAM TALK THROUGH THE TOUR DETAILS THAT ARE FOR NEXT THURSDAY'S MEETING.
SO WE INCLUDED A QUICK UPDATE IN YOUR PACKET AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TOMORROW, UM, WITH THE SORT OF NORMAL PACKET SCHEDULE.
BUT I WANT HIM TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THAT, JUST LOGISTICS AND WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
UH, SO WE DO HAVE THE, UH, UH, TOUR PLANNED FOR NEXT THURSDAY AT SIX O'CLOCK.
UH, WE'LL HAVE A SHUTTLE BUS, UH, THAT, UH, WILL ACCOMMODATE 14 PASSENGERS, UH, READY AT THE PARKING LOT OUT HERE.
UH, WE WILL ALSO HAVE A BACKUP VAN WITH AN 11 PASSENGER CAPACITY, UH, SINCE WE HAVE ADVERTISED THIS AS A PUBLIC MEETING.
AND SO IF WE HAVE OVERFLOW, WE DON'T KNOW YET UNTIL, UNTIL WE GET HERE ON THURSDAY.
UH, BUT IF WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL, UH, FOLKS THAT WANNA JOIN US, WE'LL HAVE UH, HOPEFULLY ENOUGH CAPACITY TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY.
AND, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE, UH, MAP THAT WE PROVIDED TO YOU IN YOUR PACKETS ON THE, UH, UH, TOUR SITES THAT WE INCLUDED IN THERE.
UH, BUT WE'VE CONCLUDED THAT IT WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH VERY DIFFICULT TO DO ALL OF THOSE SITES WITHIN TWO HOURS, ESPECIALLY AS THE, UH, SUNSETS A LITTLE EARLIER, UH, THIS TIME OF YEAR.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT DEVELOPMENTS BE POSTPONED UNTIL AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OCTOBER 5TH, WHICH IS A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING, TYPICALLY FOR THE COMMISSION TO BE A SECOND TOUR DATE.
AND THAT WE WOULD DO THAT AS A WALKING TOUR.
AND UH, IF THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REMOTE, UH, PARCELS THERE WITHIN BRIDGE STREET THAT PERHAPS THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
AND THEN WE GATHER AT BRIDGE PARK AND DISCUSS THOSE AND WALK AROUND SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT SITES.
UH, WE WILL BE PROVIDING AN UPDATED MEMO WITH TOMORROW'S PACKET THAT WILL INCLUDE SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT THE DIFFERENT SITES AND WE COULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS WE GO THROUGH THE TOUR ITSELF.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? WE CER WE MEET HERE, I ASSUME.
AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL THE HOMEWORK THAT WENT INTO PREPARING FOR THIS TOUR.
WE KNOW THAT IT DIDN'T MATERIALIZE OUT OF THIN AIR AND A LOT OF DILIGENCE WAS PUT INTO PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
YEAH, I APPRECIATE BASSAM HELPING WITH THAT SIGNIFICANTLY, SO THAT'S GOOD.
IT'S GOOD FOR HIM TO LEARN THE CITY TOO AND HAVE TO GO ON SOME PRE PRE TOURS TO, UM, TO LAY UP THE MAP.
SO THAT SHOULD BE REALLY GOOD AND, AND HAS, AS YOU MENTIONED, IF THERE'S THINGS THAT COME UP AS WE TOUR, WE
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CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AHEAD OF THE DISCUSSION, UM, THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 21ST, JUST AS A FOLLOW UP.YEAH, WHAT WAS THE OCTOBER DATE? IT'S THAT OCTOBER 5TH.
IT'S YOUR REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
WE PROBABLY WOULD START EARLIER GIVEN THAT IT WILL BE GETTING DARKER, BUT UM, IT SEEMED LIKE INSTEAD OF YEAH, RIGHT.
UM, WHAT'S THE NEXT MEETING AFTER SEPTEMBER? SO WE HAVE SEPTEMBER 14TH, SEPTEMBER 21ST.
THE FOLLOW UP IS OCTOBER, OCTOBER 5TH.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT FIRST ONE WOULD BE, WHAT TIME IS THAT? WHAT, WHAT TIME ON OCTOBER 5TH? WHAT TIME, WHAT, WHAT TIME WE LEAVE? SO WE HAVEN'T PLANNED A TIME.
THERE WAS MENTION THAT WE MIGHT MEET EARLIER THAN OUR NORMAL SIX 30, MAYBE FIVE 30.
YEAH, THAT MIGHT BE, I WOULD TENTATIVELY SAY FIVE 30.
THAT'S PROBABLY JUST TO GIVE US ENOUGH TIME.
SO WILL THE OCTOBER 5TH MEETING BE ANOTHER TOUR STRICTLY? AND, AND THEN THE 12TH WOULD BE ANOTHER WOULD BE A A STANDARD MEETING? YES.
THE, SO THE FIFTH, IF THAT'S, IF WE'RE ALL AGREED TO THAT WE WOULD MEET IN BRIDGE PARK, WE CAN, WE WILL PROVIDE MORE DETAILS IF THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DECIDE.
BUT WE WOULD MEET IN BRIDGE OR BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT IN SOME LOCATION SO WE CAN SEE ALL THOSE SITES.
WHAT ELSE CAN I ANSWER ON THAT? VASSO? WHAT WE CAN MEET AT VASSO AFTER.
SO YES, THOSE ARE OUR MEETINGS.
THEN I THINK, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED AT ONE OF YOUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT THERE'S A STATE PLANNING CONFERENCE AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
UM, SO THE DATES OF THAT ARE THE 27TH THROUGH THE 29TH.
SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, THAT'S HERE IN COLUMBUS.
SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, THE CLERK'S OFFICE HANDLES THAT, BUT THAT REGISTRATION IS AVAILABLE FOR THAT.
YOU CAN PICK ONE OF THE DAYS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO ALL THREE DAYS.
UM, SO IT'S GOOD VARIETY OF TOPICS.
THERE'S SOME MOBILE WORKSHOPS FOR THAT AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN JUST LOGISTICALLY, 'CAUSE THAT SEEMED TO HAPPEN A COUPLE TIMES TONIGHT, SO OUR NEW STREAMING SERVICE, THEY ARE CONTROLLING WHAT IS PROJECTED.
SO IF YOU WANNA SEE SOMETHING AND IF, AND WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT GETS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN AT WHAT TIME.
SO IF THERE'S A LITTLE LAG SOMETIMES, THAT'S WHY.
BUT THEN ALSO IF YOU WANNA SEE THE CONDITIONS OR SEE SOMETHING, WE MAY HAVE IT AT THE READY.
THEY JUST SORT OF NEED TO BE PROMPTED TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA SEE.
SO, UM, SO IT'S BEEN HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT SERVICE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S NOT CONTROLLED BY US ANYMORE, SO WE'RE NOT IGNORING YOUR REQUEST TO SEE IT.
UM, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE OTHERWISE, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME.
SO, UH, JUST A THANK YOU ON THE JOINT MEETING THAT WAS HELD ON THE 30TH, UM, I WAS ABSENT AS EVERYONE KNOWS, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT WAS WONDERFUL AND I'LL AGAIN, A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THAT ONE.
CALL OUT FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IF YOU WERE IN THE SAME CASE THAT I WAS.
OUR UM, WHAT IS THE TRAINING PORTAL AT GUIDE, WHATEVER, CORNERSTONE.
SO CORNERSTONE, IF YOU'RE ONE OF LIKE ME, IT SAYS ALL OF YOUR TRAINING IS COMPLETE.
YOU HAVE NO OUTSTANDING TRAINING.
IT EVEN GIVES THE HISTORY OF TRAINING AND YET YOU COULD STILL HAVE TRAINING THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO.
SO I LEARNED THAT THE SEAT AT THE TABLE DOESN'T APPEAR IN OUR REQUIRED TRAINING.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT ALREADY, THAT IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT DOESN'T APPEAR IN THE REQUIRED TRAINING.
SO I WANTED TO PASS THAT ALONG SINCE I FELL INTO THAT TRAP.
THOUGHT I DID ALL MY TRAINING WAY BACK IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY.
AND, WELL, SOMETHING ELSE, TANYA, WE JUST WAIT FOR JENNY TO YELL AT US.
SO LET ME SEE WHO ALSO HAS OUTSTANDING TRAINING AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW.
AND WE CAN, AND AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ISSUES OR YOU NEED TO COME TO OUR OFFICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN SORT THAT OUT, SO, OKAY.
AND ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS MR. WEY? I, I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THE MEETING ON THE 21ST.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR SPENDING ANOTHER THURSDAY EVENING WITH US AND I WILL CALL IT MEETING ADJOURN MR WAY.
DO YOU WANNA DO THE HONORS SINCE I'M FOUR YEARS IN AND STILL HAVEN'T DONE THAT?