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          [CALL TO ORDER]
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          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          I'LL CALL THE AUGUST 28TH, 2020 THIRD. 
          COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. 
          JENNY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL RO MS. SALUTO? HERE. 
          MS. AROSE GROOM HERE. 
          VICE MAYOR DEROSA? HERE. 
          MAYOR FOX. 
          HERE. 
          MR. KEELER? HERE. 
          MS. CRAM? HERE. 
          MR. REINER? HERE. 
          SOMEONE. 
          REINER, IF YOU WOULD LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. 
          [CITIZEN COMMENTS]
ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          UM, UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO COME FORWARD AND COMMENT ON ANY TOPIC THAT'S NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. 
          AND LINDSEY, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S INTERESTED IN MAKING COMMENTS THIS EVENING? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. 
          WE HAVE TWO CITIZENS WHO HAVE SIGNED IN SO FAR. 
          UH, THE FIRST IS LORI HIGHLAND. 
          IF YOU WOULD JUST COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, WE'D APPRECIATE THAT. 
          MY NAME IS LORI HIGHLAND, AND ADDRESS IS 55 25 OLD DUBLIN WOODS DRIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          UM, BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS. 
          UH, MOST OF THAT TIME I WAS A, UH, TRUSTEE OF LANDSCAPE FOR THE BRANDON SUBDIVISION AND PARTICIPATED IN THE BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT. 
          UH, WENT REAL SMOOTH, UM, DOWNSIZED AND, UH, HEARTH ROAD. 
          DOES ANY, DO, UH, YOU ALL HAVE PICTURES, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE IN DUBLIN WOODS. 
          UH, ANN EXTENDED DUBLIN, I THINK A LONG TIME AGO. 
          AND THE ROUNDABOUT THERE ON HEARTH HAS BEEN, WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT I'VE SEEN FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS. 
          AND FROM WHAT I'VE UNDERSTAND FOR THE NEIGHBORS, IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A VERY LONG, LONG TIME. 
          THE PAST THREE YEARS, I HAVE HAD TO CALL PROBABLY FOUR TO SIX TIMES A YEAR. 
          PLEASE CUT THE GRASS. 
          PLEASE. 
          TRIM. 
          I TALKED TO, I'M NOT SURE WHO IT WAS TO, TO HAVE THESE OLD BUSHES RIPPED OUT BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE WHEN YOU DRIVE UP CARS, KIDS ON BIKES. 
          UM, THEY SAID IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET. 
          UH, YOU'RE TOO LATE. 
          UM, AT ONE POINT SOMEBODY SAID, YES, I THINK WE CAN DO IT. 
          THEN IT WAS, NO, WE CAN'T. 
          I TALKED TO PROBABLY DIFFERENT PEOPLE FOUR TO FIVE TIMES A YEAR. 
          I AM ASKING FOR HELP FOR ONE, ONE ROUNDABOUT TO GET THESE OLD BUSHES AND MAYBE PUT PERENNIALS IN WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COME DOWN EMERALD PARKWAY, IT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL RUSSIAN, ANYTHING THAT NOT TAKE THE TREES OUT, THOSE ARE NICE. 
          AND THEN HELP WITH THE MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, THE, THE BUSHES GROW PAST THESE LARGE ROCKS THAT HAVE OUR NAME ON IT, DUBLIN WOODS. 
          WE'RE READY TO GET THOSE POWER WASHED. 
          WE'RE A, WE DO NOT HAVE AN H O A, SO IT'S REALLY JUST SOMEWHAT HEADING IT, AND NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO DO THAT BUT ME. 
          UM, SO I'M ASKING FOR HELP JUST TO MAKE OUR DEVELOPMENT LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE'S. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A CONVERSATION, I THINK WITH, WITH ROBERT RANK, UH, RANS. 
          UM, THIS IS A PRIVATE ROUNDABOUT. 
          I'M JUST KINDA CURIOUS. 
          THIS IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S THE PRIVATE ROUNDABOUT, OR IS A CITY ROUNDABOUT? MEGAN? IT'S A CITY. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          IT'S A CITY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO LIKE I SAID, I THINK THOSE ROCKS WERE PUT UP YEARS AND YEARS AGO BEFORE WE EVER MOVED IN. 
          SO WHEN I DO CALL, THERE IS A FAST RESPONSE AND PEOPLE ALWAYS GET BACK TO ME. 
          SO I NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          EVERYBODY'S VERY NICE, BUT IT STILL LOOKS LIKE THIS. 
          SO I, I JUST NOT SURE WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. 
          I'M READY TO GO OUT WITH MY WEEDED EATER MYSELF AND DO IT. 
          BUT, UM, , I'M REALLY THE SAFETY FOR THOSE BUSHES THAT ARE JUST OVERGROWN. 
          THEY DON'T FLOWER ANYMORE AND THEY'RE JUST A NUISANCE. 
          AND THEY, I WOULD THINK THERE'D BE MORE OF A MAINTENANCE PROBLEM FOR DUBLIN ANYWAY, BECAUSE YOU CONSTANTLY HAVE TO CUT 'EM DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING HERE THAT YOU WANNA SAY, MEGAN, BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY COMING FORWARD AND MAKING US AWARE AND HELPING US UNDERSTAND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE GOES A LONG WAY TO GETTING THINGS LIKE THAT DONE. 
          SO, UM, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS DO YOU WANT HER TO, ROBERT? SURE. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING. 
          AND I DO UNDERSTAND YOU HAD A NICE CONVERSATION WITH ROBERT THIS AFTERNOON, AND HE'S FOLLOWING UP WITH OUR PUBLIC SERVICE STAFF TO, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ROUNDABOUT AND SEE WHAT MAINTENANCE MIGHT BE NEEDED. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU. 
          SO THE MAINTENANCE PART, WHAT ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING PART? WHO ACTUALLY WOULD MAKE A DECISION ON TAKING THOSE BUSHES OUT? SO THAT WOULD BE OUR PUBLIC SERVICE CREWS AS WELL. 
          THEY WOULD CONDUCT AN ASSESSMENT TO DETERMINE IF IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, CAUSING A SITE ISSUE. 
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UM, TYPICALLY WE DO HAVE STANDARDS ABOUT ROUNDABOUT DESIGN, SO THAT WILL BE ASSESSED AS PART OF THAT, AS WELL AS THE HEALTH OF THE VEGETATION. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING THAT I CAN GET OUR FELLOW NEIGHBORS TO DO TO HELP DUBLIN? SO WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I I BELIEVE THAT, UM, ROBERT MENTIONED TO ME THAT YOU DISCUSSED THE, I YOU, YOU HAD FAMILIARITY WITH THE BEAUTIFY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD GRANT PROCESS IN THE PAST WITH THE PREVIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION AS WELL. 
          AND HE'S HAPPY TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU TOO. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO AN H O A, SO HOW DO WE GET PAST THAT? SO, UH, IT, WELL, ROBERT TOLD ME HE WAS MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? THE MAINTENANCE AS FAR AS I, I THINK MY CONCERN WAS THE LANDSCAPE IN THAT ROUNDABOUT MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IS THAT STILL ROBERT? WOULD HE MAKE YES, YES, IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, HE CAN TAKE CARE OF, UM, DISCUSSING ALL OF THOSE. 
          HE, HE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU AS WELL TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IT MIGHT BE NEEDED FOR THAT ROUNDABOUT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU LINDSEY. 
          DAVID LANKER IS HERE, RIGHT? IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          HI COUNSEL. 
          MY NAME IS DAVID LANKER. 
          I LIVE AT 5 3 5 2 INDIAN HILL ROAD. 
          I'M IN THE RIVER FOREST, UH, SUBDIVISION. 
          I'M SURE WHEN YOU HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW WHY I'M STANDING HERE TODAY. 
          UM, WE HAD A SOBER LIVING HOME OPEN AT 5 2 5 2 ASHFORD, I WOULD SAY A MONTH OR TWO AGO, GIVE OR TAKE. 
          I HAVE A QUITE A FEW NEIGHBORS SITTING HERE WHO ARE ALSO CONCERNED. 
          UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S SOMEWHAT GIVEN ME, UH, THE, THE LEAD ON THIS TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT, UM, HOW WE CAN APPROACH THIS SITUATION IN A WAY THAT, UH, STAYS WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF NOT STEPPING ON ANY LEGAL ISSUES. 
          UH, WE HAD A, A MEETING AS A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          ANDY WAS THERE, STEVEN SMITH WAS THERE, UH, THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND A LIEUTENANT WERE THERE, YOU KNOW, AT THAT MEETING, THE OWNER OF THE HOME WAS PRESENT AND IT WAS PRETTY EMOTIONAL, UNDERSTANDABLY SO. 
          UM, NOT MUCH WAS ACCOMPLISHED. 
          AND I THINK OUR CONCERN IS A, A TWO-PART CONCERN, MAINLY THE SAFETY OF OUR FAMILIES AND, AND OUR CHILDREN MOST IMPORTANTLY. 
          AND THEN FROM ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE, PROPERTY VALUES AND HOW DOES THIS AFFECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES? UM, I'M IN REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          SUE BERG IS ALSO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND, AND SHE'S IN THAT SAME FIELD. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT GROWING UP IN DUBLIN, I HAD A NUMBER OF FRIENDS WHO WOULD ALWAYS REACH OUT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, LET US KNOW WHEN A HOUSE IS COMING IN RIVER FOREST. 
          IT WAS A VERY COVETED NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND OUR CONCERN IS NOW THAT IT'S GONNA DO A 180 AND THERE'LL BE A STIGMA ATTACHED TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THIS IS AT A, A TIME WHEN THE AUDITOR'S GOING AROUND AND INCREASING PROPERTY VALUES AND OUR TAXES. 
          SO THERE'S A VERY REAL CONCERN HERE. 
          UM, WITHIN A MONTH, WE'VE HAD AN OVERDOSE, UH, DRUGS BEING BROUGHT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE HAVE HAD A SLEW OF BREAK-INS. 
          UM, THE OTHER MORNING, UH, I WAS AWOKEN BY MY NEIGHBOR AT 2:00 AM WITH TWO GENTLEMEN IN MASKS AND HOODIES OUTSIDE HIS HOME. 
          AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THEY BROKE INTO MY VAN. 
          SO THE FOLLOWING MORNING WHEN I TOOK MY SONS TO DAYCARE, THEY ASKED WHAT HAPPENED? AND, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE THERE BAD MEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? AND, AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST A, A SITUATION THAT I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO FOCUS MORE ON AND, AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE WORK AS A CITY. 
          SO THESE PLACES ARE PROTECTED WITH FEDERAL FAIR HOUSING AND A D A BECAUSE THEY'RE CLASSIFIED AS DISABLED PEOPLE. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY THAT THAT MAKES IT VERY HARD TO DO ANYTHING. 
          UM, BUT I FEEL AS IF FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, PERHAPS THE CITY CAN LOOK INTO GETTING CREATIVE TO STAY WITHIN THOSE LEGAL BOUNDS AND TRY AND PROTECT THESE TAX PAYING CITIZENS FROM THE POTENTIAL ISSUES THAT WILL ARISE WITH HAVING THESE IN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, SO MY QUESTION TO COUNCIL TONIGHT IS WHAT MORE ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO ENSURE THAT IF THESE ARE GOING TO OPEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT THEY ARE REGULATED? BECAUSE THE STATE THROUGHOUT THE RULE BOOK, APPARENTLY IN 2017, AND THESE MEN, GENTLEMEN CAN COME FROM BOSTON AND OPEN THESE UP AND HAVE NO REGULATION AND NO STANDARDS BY WHICH THEY OPERATE FROM A STATE LEVEL, FROM A COUNTY LEVEL, AND FROM A LOCAL LEVEL. 
          AND TO ME, THAT IS HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE. 
          AND WE MUST DO SOMETHING AS A CITY TO LOOK INTO THIS MATTER. 
          AND PERHAPS DUBLIN CAN LEAD AND BY EXAMPLE, SO THAT OTHER CITIES CAN, WHILE STILL SUPPORTING PEOPLE AND, AND FINDING SOBRIETY THAT MAYBE THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN DO IT TO PROTECT THE SAFETY AND THE PROPERTY VALUES 
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OF EVERYONE ELSE IN THE CITY. 
          THE, UM, AS OUR, OUR ATTORNEY WILL TELL YOU, AND I THINK AT THE MEETING YOU, YOU KNOW THAT THESE HOMES ARE FEDERALLY PROTECTED AND THE ROLE OF THE CITY IS TO BE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS SAFE HOUSING. 
          AND WE APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. 
          UM, THE CITY CANNOT ZONE DIFFERENTLY. 
          UM, AND IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS, STEVEN, UM, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF, IF I MAY. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR AND, AND MR. LANKER AND I, UH, I MET HIM BOTH AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND THEN WE HAD A SEPARATE MEETING, UM, LAST WEEK MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH, LAST WEEK. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH, I'LL RUN TOGETHER IN MY HEAD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS EXTENSIVELY IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY CAN DO. 
          AND, AND FRANKLY, THIS CITY WAS VERY PROACTIVE IN 2014 WHEN WE ENACTED THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE DID AS IT RELATES TO THESE TYPES OF USES UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT. 
          UM, I HAVE ADVISED COUNSEL, AND I'VE TOLD MR. LANKER THIS TOO, FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE PUT IN PLACE THE DISPERSION REQUIREMENTS THAT WE CAN AS A CITY. 
          AND WE'VE ALSO PUT INTO PLACE THE, UM, THE LIMITATION ON SIZE, WHICH HAD COUNCIL NOT DONE THAT IN 2014, FRANKLY COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH LARGER BASED ON WHAT THE BUILDING CODE AND THE FAIR HOUSING ACT WOULD'VE ALLOWED. 
          SO FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE ON THE ZONING STANDPOINT, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE CAN TAKE FURTHER STEPS. 
          NOW, WHEN MR. LANKER AND I MET LAST WEEK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE STATE'S RESPONSIBILITY OR LACK OF NOW IS. 
          UM, AND WE DID TALK ABOUT FROM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I'M SOMEWHAT PERPLEXED AS MR. LANKER, AND I'M SURE THE NEIGHBORS ARE AS TO WHY THE STATE NO LONGER LICENSE AND OR REGULATE THIS. 
          BUT ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FALLS OUTSIDE OF SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COULD CONTROL. 
          BUT CERTAINLY WORTH A FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          MR. LINKER. 
          I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, I DID REACH OUT TO OUR STATE SENATOR STEPHANIE KUNZE TODAY, AND SHE HAD INDICATED THAT SOMEONE FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAD REACHED OUT TO HER OFFICE MM-HMM. 
          , AND THAT THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING OUT A TIME FOR A MEETING, UH, SO THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE WOULD HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN TO HEAR CONCERNS ON THIS AND THEN TAKE UP THAT CONVERSATION AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE WHO HAS, UM, FAR MORE POWER THAN WE DO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO ADDRESS ANY, ANY OF YOUR CONCERNS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, I, I WAS A FRATERNITY BROTHER AT OHIO STATE WITH, UH, SENATOR ROB MCCAULEY, WHO I GOT IN TOUCH WITH. 
          AND HE ALSO, I THINK, IS GOING TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE STATE LEVEL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, THAT IS REASSURING. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I DO FEEL, I UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE CITY, THE CITY USED TO HAVE A ZONING ORDINANCE AGAINST NON-RELATED FAMILY MEMBERS RESIDING IN A, IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, AND I GUESS WAS THAT PART OF WHAT GOT THROWN OUT IN 2014 AND WHY, WHY CAN THE CITY NOT HAVE SOMETHING IN THAT REGARD TO TRY AND LIMIT AND CONTROL THESE WHILE STAYING WITHIN FEDERAL FAIR HOUSING? YEAH, AND, AND I'VE LOOKED AT THAT ISSUE TOO, AND WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE COME UP IN A MULTITUDE OF COMMUNITIES. 
          THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THE UNRELATED HOUSING IS, OR UNRELATED PERSONS LIVING IN ONE HOUSE, EXCUSE ME, IS THOSE ORDINANCES ARE VERY SCRUTINIZED WHEN IT COMES TO FAIR HOUSING ALSO. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU PUT A LIMIT, FOR EXAMPLE, OF FIVE OR SIX UNRELATED INDIVIDUALS IN A HOUSE, AND YET YOUR NEIGHBOR HAS, I MEAN, I HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          ONE HAS SIX KIDS, ONE HAS 10 KIDS. 
          SO WE'RE LIMITING THE UNRELATED FOLKS WHO MAY NOT BE AS, YOU KNOW, AS INTENSIVE IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN A HOUSE VERSUS A NORMAL HOUSE, THAT THEY ARE RELATED. 
          I WILL TELL YOU, THOSE ARE SCRUTINIZED VERY STRONGLY UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT, AND ESPECIALLY NOW TO DO ONE AFTER THE FACT IN ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS A SITUATION THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS WOULD BE EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC. 
          AND FROM A TAX PERSPECTIVE, IF THESE ARE, THIS IS A GENTLEMAN FROM BOSTON WHO BUYS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEN TURNS AROUND AND RENTS IT TO HIS COUSIN WHO OPERATES ONE OF THESE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A BUSINESS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS IN THE ZONING, IN THE CODE ABOUT BUSINESSES AND, AND HOW THOSE SHOULD OPERATE. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THIS FALLS IN LINE WITH THOSE ALSO, BUT ARE THEY TO BE TAXED IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE ARE? OR SHOULD THEY NOT BE TAXED IN A DIFFERENT WAY? WELL, TAXING IS, THAT'S THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S PURVIEW IN TERMS OF HOW THEY ADDRESS THAT FOR COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I WILL TELL YOU FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, BOTH UNDER THE FEDERAL LAW AND THE LOCAL LAW, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL USES REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THIS IS A FOR-PROFIT ENTERPRISE, WHICH CLEARLY WE KNOW THAT IT IS. 
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BUT UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING AND THE DUBLIN CITY CODE, IT IS TREATED AS A RESIDENTIAL, AND THAT'S HOW OUR CODE RECOGNIZES IT. 
          SO IT STILL HAS TO MEET RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS IN TERMS OF IF THERE WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS BROKEN OR SOME TYPE OF NUISANCE ACTIONS, THE GRASS WAS TOO LONG, WE COULD CERTAINLY GO OUT AND TAKE ACTION LIKE WE COULD AGAINST ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. 
          UM, THERE'S RESTRICTIONS ABOUT THEM DOING SIGNAGE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          HOWEVER, OTHER THAN THAT, FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR CODE AND FEDERAL LAW, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE KNOW, THE USE THAT IS OCCURRING IN IT. 
          SO I GUESS WOULD THE, THE CITY BE WILLING ON BEHALF OF ITS CITIZENS DO MORE TO HELP WITH THE STATE LEVEL AND THE COUNTY LEVEL IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THEN WHY DON'T WE JUST OPEN THESE EVERY 600, IS IT 600 FEET, STEVEN? WHAT IS THE LIMITATION CURRENTLY ON THESE, EXCUSE ME, 600 OR 660 OR, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE COULD TURN RIVER FOREST INTO RECOVERY FOREST AND WE COULD LEAD THE CHARGE ON TURNING DUBLIN INTO THE EPICENTER OF RECOVERY. 
          THERE'S A HOME IN, IN THE ESTATES IN MUIRFIELD, IT'S BEEN FOR SALE FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS NOW, ON HOLE NUMBER FIVE. 
          IT'S 25,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, PUT ABOUT 50 GENTLEMEN IN THAT HOUSE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? WE STILL HAVE A CAP OF 12, IF YOU WISH TO OP OPEN A, A USE LIKE THIS. 
          AND, AND THE THING IS, MR. LANKER, AND I, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS THE LAW IN THE STATE OF OHIO. 
          I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAY YOU COULD DUBLIN AND TURN DUBLIN INTO RECOVERY, I MEAN, FRANKLY YOU COULD TURN ANY MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE OF OHIO INTO A RECOVERY HOUSING. 
          I MEAN, THAT IS WHAT THE STATE WITH THE CHANGES IN THE LAW IN 2017 WAS TRYING TO FURTHER WAS ACCESS TO HELP. 
          SO THAT WAS THE STATE'S DECISION. 
          UM, BUT I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT, THE LACK OF STATE REGULATION, I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT, THESE COULD GO ANYWHERE IN THE STATE OF OHIO. 
          SO THE ANSWER IS THE CITY'S NOT WILLING TO DO MORE. 
          I, I THINK FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD ADVISE THE CITY THAT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT IS AS STRONG AS I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IN TERMS OF DEFENDING UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT OF CHALLENGED. 
          I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE CAN BE MORE RESTRICTIVE. 
          IN FACT, EVEN THE, THE 600 AND FEET OR 660 FEET, WHATEVER IT IS, I MEAN, MOST OF THE CASE LAW I LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, SAID 500 FEET. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE ALREADY IN THAT AREA WHERE I STILL FEEL COMFORTABLE DEFENDING IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD TAKE ANY FURTHER ACTION. 
          AND FRANKLY, IF WE'RE, IF COUNCIL WERE TO PASS ANY TYPE OF LEGISLATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR AN ALREADY EXISTING HOME, I MEAN, FRANKLY, WE'D BE CHALLENGED DARN NEAR, IMMEDIATELY UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT. 
          AND I THINK WE WOULD LOSE, AND AND WE CAN'T CREATE A SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR THIS EXACT USE. 
          AND I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN BECAUSE HOW, HOW THIS IS TREATED UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT, AS I SAID, I KNOW THAT YOU AND I WOULD PROBABLY AGREE THAT YES, IT, IT, IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING RESIDENTIAL ABOUT IT. 
          HOWEVER, UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT, THESE TYPES OF USES ARE TREATED AS RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND TO CREATE THEIR OWN ZONING DISTRICT, FRANKLY, WOULD BE SEGREGATING THESE INTO VARIOUS, LET'S SAY SMALL POCKETS. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO CHALLENGE INTO THE FAIR HOUSING ACT. 
          AND, AND FRANKLY I THINK WE WOULD LOOSER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HAVING 12 INDIVIDUALS IN THE HOME DOES THAT, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT FROM A FIRE CODE PERSPECTIVE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY KIND OF SPECIAL SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          I KNOW THEY WENT THROUGH AND THE ONLY VIOLATION WAS A FIRE EXTINGUISHER. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN, UM, OUR, OUR STAFF, OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, ALONG WITH THE TOWNSHIP, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A FIREFIGHTER FIRE INSPECTOR, I DON'T KNOW WHO FROM THE, SOMEONE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WENT, UM, AND THEY DID INSPECT IT AND THE ONLY ITEM THAT WAS RAISED AS AN ISSUE WAS THEY NEEDED ONE ADDITIONAL FIRE EXTINGUISHER. 
          SO, UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY DID COMPLY AND INSTALL THAT OR BRING THAT OTHER FIRE EXTINGUISHER TO THE PROPERTY, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEY DID NOT ENCOUNTER ANY OTHER VIOLATIONS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED EITHER THROUGH THE BUILDING CODE OR THE STATE FIRE CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT SOUNDS AS IF, UH, OUR FIGHT IS MORE AT THE STATE AND COUNTY LEVEL THAN THE CITY LEVEL. 
          I SEE A LOT OF HEADS NODDING. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, I GUESS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          HEY, AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS WITH IN GREAT DEPTH, AND I WAS HOPING TO CUT THE NUMBERS FROM 12 TO FIVE OR ANY OTHER THING. 
          AND WE CANNOT BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL STATUTES 
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IN THIS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET DOWN TO A LESSER NUMBER, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE PROFITABLE. 
          'CAUSE WE REALIZE THIS IS A PROFIT CENTER FOR WHOEVER'S DOING THIS. 
          AND, UH, YOU CAN'T BRING THOSE NUMBERS DOWN. 
          SO WE'RE STUCK AND, BUT THE STATE OF OHIO CAN IS PROBABLY YOUR NEXT BEST CHOICE. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE THE LOOSENESS OF THIS ARRANGEMENT AND THEIR LAWS RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN WITH NO, NO RULES WHATSOEVER. 
          THAT'S ABOUT AS LOOSE AS IT GETS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOU, YOU BRINGING YOUR CONCERNS FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE CONSENT AGENDA, 
          [CONSENT AGENDA]
IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? LINTY? ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE CONSENT AGENDA, IS THERE A REQUEST TO REMOVE THIS ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? THE MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 14TH, 2023 REGULAR COUNSEL MEETING? HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SECOND, PLEASE. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JENNY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. KEELER? YES. 
          MS. CRAM? YES. 
          MS. A LUDO? YES. 
          MR. REINER? YES. 
          VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES. 
          MAYOR FOX? YES. 
          MS. AROSE GROOMS? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          [Ordinance 30-23]
SECOND, READING, PUBLIC HEARING ORDINANCE 30 DASH 23 AUTHORIZING THE PROVISION OF CERTAIN INCENTIVES TO COMBA FEEDS INC. 
          TO INDUCE IT TO LEASE A FACILITY TO CREATE AN OFFICE IN ITS ASSOCIATED OPERATIONS AND WORKFORCE ALL WITHIN THE CITY AND AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OUR STAFF REPORT IS JENNA GARING THIS EVENING, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATOR. 
          WELCOME THIS EVENING, JENNA. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. 
          AS YOU MAY RECALL, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH COMBA FEEDS ON THE LOCATION OF THEIR COMPANY WITHIN THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          IN CONSIDERATION OF THE COMPANY'S INVESTMENT AND PLANNED WORKFORCE AND THE GROWTH IN DUBLIN, THE PROPOSED INCENTIVE IS A 20% PERFORMANCE INCENTIVE ON WITHHOLDINGS OVER THREE YEARS VALUED AT $16,500. 
          SHOULD THE COMPANY BE WILLING TO COMMIT TO A SEVEN YEAR LEASE TERM, THE PERFORMANCE WITHHOLDING INCENTIVE WILL ADD TWO ADDITIONAL YEARS TO THE PAYROLL INCENTIVE, INCREASING UP TO $32,500 FOR THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT. 
          ALSO, THE CITY IS PROPOSING AN $8,000 LOCATION GRANT TO OFFSET MOVING AND FIT UP COSTS. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS COUNCIL COUNCIL'S APPROVAL. 
          HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. 
          REPRESENTING COMBA FEEDS IS JEFF SKER, VICE PRESIDENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES AND CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          HE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          WELCOME. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND ALSO THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. 
          THANK YOU A LOT. 
          UM, AT COMBA, WE'VE ENJOYED REALLY STRONG GROWTH SINCE OUR FOUNDING 60 YEARS AGO. 
          AND IT'S LARGELY DUE TO OUR STRONG REPUTATION REGARDING INTEGRITY AND QUALITY IN THE ANIMAL NUTRITION INDUSTRY. 
          AND OUR GROWTH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS HAS BEEN LIKE, UNBELIEVABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE VERY BLESSED WITH THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO EXPERIENCE. 
          AND SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE CANNOT RECRUIT THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO SUSTAIN AND FULFILL THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE IN OUR OTHER LOCATIONS. 
          AND SO WE HAVE LOCATIONS LARGELY IN WYANDOT COUNTY, NEAR UPPER SANDUSKY. 
          WE HAVE A LOCATION IN PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN, A NEW ACQUISITION IN MISSISSIPPI. 
          AND WE'VE DECIDED WE NEED TO CAST THE NET INTO COLUMBUS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'VE ALREADY STARTED RECRUITING. 
          WE'VE HAD GREAT RESULTS. 
          OUR FIRST HIRE WAS A VP OF FINANCE, AND WE'RE GONNA BE PRETTY HEAVILY FOCUSED ON IN FINANCE WITH THIS, WITH THIS OPERATION. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT OUR HEADCOUNT, I CAME TO COMBA ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          WE WERE ABOUT 500. 
          WE HAD ABOUT 500 TEAM MEMBERS. 
          WE'RE AT 850 NOW. 
          A LITTLE OVER THAT. 
          AND, UM, AS YOU PROBABLY ALL REALIZE, YOUR REVENUES NEED TO INCREASE FASTER THAN YOUR HEADCOUNT. 
          AND THEY CERTAINLY HAVE. 
          AND SO OF OUR PROFITS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO WE'D BE EXCITED TO, UH, TO COME HERE TO DUBLIN. 
          IT REALLY IS OUR TOP PICK. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, BUT WE HAVE COMMENTS AND THAT'S WELCOME TO DUBLIN. 
          WELL, ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
           , WE'RE VERY HAPPY FOR YOU. 
          THAT'S GREAT NEWS THAT YOU'VE GROWN SO FAST. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT YOU CHOSE DUBLIN, AND WE HOPE THAT WE'LL BE A REALLY GOOD PARTNER FOR YOU, AND THAT YOU'LL DO JUST AS WELL IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS. 
          SO I EXPECT WE WILL, WE HAVE A FABULOUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF. 
          AND ANYTHING YOU NEED, THEY WILL BE AT YOUR SERVICE. 
          SUPER. 
          SO, SO WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          I WILL LIKELY SIGN A LEASE LATER THIS WEEK. 
          I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          APPLAUSE. 
          I THINK THAT DESERVES AN APPLAUSE, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, LINDSAY? ALL RIGHT. 
          COUNSEL. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE WILL VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE. 
          JENNY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MR. REINER? YES. 
          MAYOR FOX. 
          YES. 
          VICE MAYOR DEROSA? YES. 
          MR. KEELER? YES. 
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MS. CRAM? YES. 
          MS. AROSE GROOMS? YES. 
          MS. SALUTO? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , INTRODUCTION FIRST READING 
          [Ordinance 31-23]
ORDINANCE 31 DASH 23, APPROPRIATE A 0.070 ACRE FEE. 
          SIMPLE WARRANTY DEEDED FOR RIGHT OF WAY WITHOUT LIMITATION TO EXISTING ACCESS RIGHTS, AND A 0.225 ACRE FEE SIM FEE. 
          SIMPLE WARRANTY DEEDED FOR RIGHT OF WAY WITHOUT LIMITATION TO EXISTING ACCESS RIGHTS FROM ARTHUR G WESSNER AND ELIZABETH L WESSNER FOR THEIR JOINT LIVES REMAINDER TO THE SURVIVOR OF THEM FROM THE PROPERTY. 
          LOCATED AT 7 4 5 5 HIGHLAND QUA ROAD, AND 7 4 8 5 HIGHLAND CROY ROAD FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT CHARGE. 
          I. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OUR STAFF REPORT IS FROM, UH, BRIAN GABLE, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. 
          HI BRIAN. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THE HIGHLAND CROIX ROAD IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS INCLUDES WIDENING HIGHLAND CROIX CROIX ROAD TO A THREE LANE ROADWAY FROM POST ROAD TO NORTH OF PARK MILL DRIVE. 
          THIS INSTALLS, UH, TURN LANES WHERE HIGHLAND CROIX ROAD INTERSECTS WITH SPRING VIEW, LANE MORLAND DRIVE, HOL BEAN DRIVE AND PARK MILL DRIVE, INSTALLING A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT MORELAND DRIVE. 
          AMONG OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, ACQUISITION BY DUBLIN OF PROPERTY INTEREST FROM FOUR PARCELS OWNED BY TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS IS NECESSARY FOR THE PROJECT. 
          A GOOD FAITH OFFER LETTER, THE APPRAISAL REPORT AND ASSOCIATED INFORMATION WERE PROVIDED THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, ONE PROPERTY OWNER HAS AGREED TO A DONATION, WHILE STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE REMAINING PROPERTY OWNER TO REACH A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE RESOLUTION TO THIS ACQUISITION. 
          THE ORDINANCE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING BEGINS THE APPROPRIATION PROCESS AND ALLOWS THE PROJECT TO REMAIN ON SCHEDULE AND PROCEED TO CONSTRUCTION STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 31 DASH 23 AT THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2023. 
          I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL REGARDING THIS ORDINANCE. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? NONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE SECOND READING, UH, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2023. 
          ORDINANCE 32 DASH 23 
          [Ordinance 32-23]
AMENDMENTS TO ZONING CODE SECTIONS 1 53 0.0 0 2 1 5, 3 0.071, AND 1 5 3 0.074 TO ADDRESS OPEN AND UNCOVERED STRUCTURES. 
          I ALL RIGHT. 
          OUR STAFF REPORT IS FROM OUR PLANNER, ZACH HEL. 
          ZACH, HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? I'M GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          GOOD, GOOD EVENING. 
          MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, BEFORE YOU. 
          TONIGHT IS THE FIRST READING FOR THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO OPEN AND UNCOVERED STRUCTURES IN THE ZONING CODE. 
          IT'S BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2022. 
          THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL, UH, BASED ON A DETERMINATION STAFF HAD MADE REGARDING, UH, OPEN AND UNCOVERED PORCHES. 
          THE CODE SECTION IS ON YOUR SCREEN. 
          I'LL JUST READ IT OUT LOUD. 
          IT IS OPEN AND UNCOVERED. 
          PORCHES MAY PROJECT BEYOND THE FRONT BUILDING SETBACK LINE, OR INTO A REQUIRED REAR YARD, A DISTANCE NOT TO EXCEED FIVE FEET. 
          UH, STAFF MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT A PERGOLA WOULD NOT COUNT AS AN OPEN AND UNCOVERED STRUCTURE, SO IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ENCROACH THAT FIVE FEET. 
          UH, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, UH, UPHELD STAFF'S DETERMINATION, BUT DID TASK STAFF WITH PROVIDING BETTER, UH, EMPHASIS AND, AND PROVIDING MORE DEFINITION TO THE CODE TO ADDRESS, UH, TOPICS SUCH AS OPEN UNCOVERED PERGOLA PATIO, UH, PORCH AND TRELLIS ALL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES BACK IN JULY OF 2023. 
          PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE DEFINITIONS, AS WELL AS A CLARIFICATION FOR, UH, ARTIFICIALLY INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF STRUCTURES. 
          SO STAFF HAS PROVIDED DEFINITIONS TO UNDEFINED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN THE CODE. 
          UH, THE LARGER CHANGES ARE INVOLVED IN THE LOT AND YARD REQUIREMENTS, UH, AS STAFF HAS TAKEN THE APPROACH TO REMOVE ANY REFERENCE TO OPEN OR UNCOVERED STRUCTURES. 
          THIS IS TO ELIMINATE ANY, UH, OPINION OPPORTUNITY FOR OPINION OR SUBJECT, UM, SUBJECTIVE VIEWING OF CERTAIN TERMS, AND MADE IT ALL BASED AROUND SPECIFIC STRUCTURES AND HOW THEY'RE DEFINED IN CODE. 
          UH, THIS IS REALLY, THIS, THE PREMISE OF THIS UPDATE IS LESS ABOUT THE DEFINITION, BUT IT'S MORE ABOUT WHAT CAN AND CAN'T ENCROACH INTO THE REAR YARD OR FRONT YARD SETBACK. 
          WHAT CAN ENCROACH INTO THE REAR YARD IS AN AT GRADE PATIO, AND THE SEATING WALL NOT TO EXCEED 18 INCHES IN HEIGHT AND INTO THE FRONT WOULD BE PORCHES. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE THE DEFINITION IS FOR 30 INCHES IN HEIGHT. 
          NOW, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH HOW STAFF HAS ADMINISTERED THIS REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. 
          UH, BUT THIS IS TO CREATE MORE CLARITY IN THE CODE AND GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TEETH AS WE DO PROVIDE THIS IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO WITH THAT, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS ORDINANCE AT THE SECOND READING, WHICH WOULD BE ON SEPTEMBER 11TH. 
          I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE. 
          THANK YOU. 
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THANKS, LINDY. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? COUNSEL? ANY QUESTIONS FOR ZACH CONCERNING UNCOVERED STRUCTURES IN THE NEW ANDY? SO YOUR MEMO IS VERY CLEAR. 
          UH, OF COURSE, I LOST IT WHEN I START LOOKING AT THE SCREEN. 
          THERE'S A REFERENCE TO AT GRADE PATIO AT GRADE, UM, IN THE, UH, 1 5 3 0.002 B TWO B, WHERE THERE'S A DEFINITION OF PATIO. 
          IT SAYS, ANY OUTDOOR DEVELOPED SURFACE LOCATED ADJACENT TO A BUILDING OR STRUCTURE, I WOULD ADD ANY OUTDOOR DEVELOPED AT GRADE SURFACE. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I JUST HAD SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. 
          I HAD ACTUALLY SENT PREVIOUSLY THAT THE WAY THE CODE READS, YOU CAN'T HAVE A PATIO ON THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE THAT EXTENDS INTO THE WHY, WHY COULDN'T YOU HAVE IT EXTEND FIVE FEET IF IT WAS A PATIO ON THE FRONT? SO I THINK THE INTENT, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO CLARIFY THIS MORE, THE INTENT WITH PATIOS WOULD BE MORE FOR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES THAT THEY WOULD BE TO THE REAR AS REAR AMENITIES. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THE CITY THAT DO HAVE PATIOS OUT FORWARD OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, BUT THE INTENT WAS THAT PORCHES, BASED ON HOW IT WAS CURRENTLY RID, HOW IT'S CURRENTLY RIDDEN, UH, PORCHES THAT ARE UNCOVERED WOULD BE ABLE TO ENCROACH. 
          YOU COULD STILL HAVE PORCHES OR PATIOS FORWARD OF THE BUILDING, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE WITHIN THAT BUILDING SETBACK. 
          SO REALLY TRYING TO ELIMINATE THOSE ENCROACHMENTS, UH, WHERE IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY OR, OR MAYBE HOW WE HAVEN'T ADMINISTERED IT, ADMINISTERED IT IN THE PAST. 
          BECAUSE THE WAY IT READS TOO, YOU CAN'T HAVE A PATIO OR YOU CAN'T HAVE A PORCH ON THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE THAT ENCROACHES. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, AND THE INTENT BEHIND THAT IS, UM, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THAT MORE, BUT THE INTENT IS TO ELIMINATE ANY VERTICAL OR OVERHEAD STRUCTURES THAT MAY CREATE VISUAL IMPACTS, VISUAL IMPACTS INTO SETBACKS. 
          BUT YOU SAY A PORCH ON THE FRONT THAT'S UNCOVERED CAN EXTEND FIVE FEET. 
          SO WHY CAN'T A PORCH ON THE BACK THAT'S UNCOVERED EXTEND FIVE FEET? WE'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. 
          I, I'M JUST, I, I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE MAKING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DISTINCTION, DISTINCTION BETWEEN A PORCH AND A PATIO THAT NEITHER HAVE A ROOF. 
          I, I GUESS THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY THAT WAS DECIDED THAT WAY. 
          I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH IT. 
          MAYBE THROUGH ALL YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT AND ALL THE WORKING THROUGH THERE WAS AN ISSUE. 
          I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. 
          . 
          YEAH, IT'S OKAY. 
          I MEAN, AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE CLARIFYING POINT WAS TYPICALLY A PORCH, ALTHOUGH IT COULD BE LOCATED TO THE SIDE OR REAR, TYPICALLY WE'RE SEEING THAT ENCROACHMENT ON THE FRONT AND THE PA I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALMOST SORT OF SYNONYMOUS TO YOUR POINT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, AND WE APPRECIATED GETTING YOUR QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME 'CAUSE WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS, UM, TO TRY TO SORT THAT OUT AND LOOK AT HOW COULD IT BE CLEARER. 
          UM, AGAIN, AS ZACH SAID, WE CAN LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL CLARIFYING LANGUAGE. 
          AGAIN, THE INTENT IS TO JUST TO NOT HAVE COVERED PIECES OF A PATIO OR A PORCH OR SEATING WALL ENCROACH, ENCROACHED. 
          THAT'S THE ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S THE VISUAL BECAUSE THAT FROM THE NEW DEFINITIONS, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THEN BETWEEN A PATIO AND A PORCH IS A PORCH IS CONNECTED AND A PATIO IS NOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I GUESS THAT MAKES CLARIFYING SENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          OKAY. 
          JENNY, I HAD A QUESTION REAL QUICK ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE AWAY TRELLIS AND PERGOLAS AND, AND ENCROACHMENT, ARE YOU FINDING THAT, THAT WE'RE, OUR SETBACKS ARE JUST CREATING TOO MUCH DENSITY BETWEEN LOTS? UM, I'M THINKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO GET OUTSIDE AND USE THEIR OUTDOOR SPACES, AND YET IF WE'RE LIMITING WHAT THEY CAN USE THEM FOR, BUT WE'LL ALLOW A BIG RED UMBRELLA UP, UH, INSTEAD OF A PERGOLA. 
          YOU STILL HAVE THE VISUAL IMPACT, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, IT SEEMS, WHAT IS THE REAL ISSUE? IS IT THE ENCROACHMENT? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? OR ARE YOU MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE VISUAL IMPACT? I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. 
          AND I THINK THE DISTINCTION WOULD BE THE PERMANENCE OF SOMETHING, RIGHT? AN UMBRELLA WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TEMPORARY. 
          WHEREAS IF YOU HAVE A PERGOLA OR A COVERED PATIO THAT WOULD BE PERMANENT AND THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT VISUAL IMPACT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN OUR STANDARD PRACTICE IS TO KEEP OUR REAR YARDS OPEN AND HAVE LOTS OF OPEN VIEWS AND VISTAS. 
          SO WE'RE, AGAIN, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE SCOPE AS IT WAS AND MAKE IT MORE CLEAR. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE DO WANT PEOPLE TO BE OUTSIDE, BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS AROUND SETBACKS. 
          AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, HAS BEEN IMPORTANT HISTORICALLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO JUST FOR PUBLIC'S 
          [00:35:01]
CLARIFICATION, YOU CAN HAVE THESE THINGS AS LONG AS THEY'RE WITHIN THE SETBACK. 
          RIGHT? EXACTLY. 
          IT'S THIS ENCROACHMENT ISSUE THAT YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO STRUGGLE WITH THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO REMEDY. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I THINK I ASKED YOU THAT, LINDSAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, SECOND READING, PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 11TH, UM, ORDINANCE 33 
          [Ordinance 33-23]
DASH 23, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A REAL ESTATE TRANSFER AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF RIVERVIEW VILLAGE WITH C S D DUBLIN, L L C. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          STAFF REPORT IS FROM CITY MANAGER, MEGAN O. CALLAHAN, MEGAN, GOOD EVENING. 
          MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND JENNY IS GOING TO ASSIST. 
          UM, ORDINANCE 33 23 IS REQUESTING AUTHORIZATION TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH COMMUNITY SPACE DEVELOPMENT, DOING BUSINESS AS CO HATCH ATCH. 
          THE CITY CURRENTLY OWNS THE PROPERTY SHOWN ON THE SLIDE OUTLINED IN ORANGE. 
          THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED ALONG NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, JUST NORTH OF BRIDGE STREET, AND THERE ARE SIX PROPERTIES ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET AND TWO ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          AND THEY TOTAL JUST SHY OF THREE ACRES. 
          SOON AFTER WE ACQUIRED THESE PROPERTIES IN 2021, AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS FORMED THAT WAS TASKED WITH GUIDING A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL PROCESS. 
          THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROPERTIES AND BACKGROUND AND DEVELOPED AN R F P THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR PUBLIC ADVERTISEMENT THAT R F P WAS ADVERTISED. 
          AND WE RECEIVED TWO PROPOSALS AT THE TIME. 
          THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROPOSALS AND RECOMMENDED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY COMMUNITY SPACE DEVELOPMENT TO COUNCIL FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AS THE ATCH CONCEPT BEST ADDRESSED, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, VIBRANCY AND PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY, HISTORIC CHARACTER, AND THE PUBLIC EXPERIENCE GOALS. 
          AS LISTED ON THE SCREEN, THE SEP. 
          IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022, COUNSEL APPROVED THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO SELECT CO HATCH'S PROPOSAL FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DIRECTED STAFF TO EVALUATE AND NEGOTIATE THE PROPOSAL THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          IN FEBRUARY OF 2023, KATCH PRESENTED AN INFORMAL REQUEST TO THE A R B OR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD BASED ON THE R F P CONCEPT. 
          ALL EIGHT OF THE PROPERTIES WERE INCLUDED AT THAT TIME, AND THE BOARD PROVIDED FEEDBACK ON THE POTENTIAL TO REZONE THE AREA TO HISTORIC CORE. 
          THEY PROVIDED FEEDBACK ON DENSITY AS WELL AS THE OVERALL CONCEPT. 
          CO HATCH'S RIVERVIEW VILLAGE CONCEPT PROPOSES A ONE OF A KIND CO-WORKING AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP COMMUNITY, AND REPRESENTS MANY ASPECTS OF THE FUTURE OF WORK. 
          THIS CONCEPT INCLUDES A WALKABLE DISTRICT THAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE WITH AMENITIES AND PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESTORE AND REVITALIZE THE NORTH RIVERVIEW NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AS PART OF THE PROPOSAL, YOU WILL SEE ON THE SCREEN THAT THE THREE SOUTHERNMOST PROPERTIES AS OUTLINED IN RED ON THE SCREEN, WERE IDENTIFIED AS AN OPTION FOR OTHERS TO OWN AND RENOVATE, AND THEREFORE, CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCEPT PROPOSAL. 
          ON JULY 31ST, COUNSEL APPROVED ORDINANCE 24 DASH 23 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO DISPOSE OF THE PROPERTIES. 
          IF YOU COULD CLICK JENNY. 
          CURRENTLY, THE PROPERTIES ARE BEING AUCTIONED AND THAT PROCESS WILL CONCLUDE ON SEPTEMBER 18TH. 
          STAFF ALSO CONTINUED TO EVALUATE AND NEGOTIATE THE PROPOSAL WITH ATCH, WITH A FOCUS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO ASSURE ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES AND ENSURE A SIGNIFICANT RETURN ON THE CITY'S INVESTMENTS. 
          AND THROUGH THESE NEGOTIATION, THE INITIAL DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT HAS EVOLVED TO A FIRST OF A KIND CO-WORKING AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP VILLAGE TO INCLUDE ALSO CO HATCH'S NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS. 
          AND THE MAP OUTLINES, UM, THE MAP ON THE SCREEN OUTLINES THE PROPERTIES HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE AS THE PARCELS FOR DISPOSAL TO THE SOUTH. 
          AND THE PROPERTIES OUTLINED IN YELLOW ARE THE SUBJECT OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED THIS EVENING. 
          SO BEFORE WE REVIEW THE SUBSTANTIVE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, I WILL PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND AND INTRODUCE COMMUNITY SPACE DEVELOPMENT, DOING BUSINESS AS KATCH. 
          THEY WERE FOUNDED IN 2016 AND OFFER A MIX OF PRIVATE OFFICES, COWORKING MEETING AND EVENT SPACES, FOOD AND BEVERAGE CONCEPTS. 
          AND IN SEVEN YEARS, THE COMPANY'S GROWN TO 40 LOCATIONS ACROSS SIX STATES. 
          COMPANIES BECOME AN ACTIVE PARTNER IN THE COMMUNITIES OF EACH OF EACH OF ITS LOCATIONS BY PROVIDING SCHOLARSHIPS FOR NON-PROFITS, OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUSINESS STARTUPS, AND HOSTING COMMUNITY-BASED EVENTS. 
          AND WHILE NOT ALL OF THEIR LOCATIONS ARE LOCATED ON HISTORIC PROPERTIES, THEY DO SPECIALIZE IN RESTORING HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN TOWN CENTERS TO BRING NEW LIFE, UM, AND ENERGY INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND THE COMPANY'S MISSION INCLUDES GIVING BACK TO COMMUNITIES AND OFTEN SUPPORTS LOCAL CHARITIES ENTREPRENEURS THROUGH SCHOLARSHIPS. 
          KATCH HAS AN EXISTING LOCATION IN DUBLIN ON NORTH STREET ADJACENT TO THE SITE THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS AGREEMENT. 
          AND WE HAVE MATT DAVIS, CO-FOUNDER AND C E O OF KATCH. 
          HE IS HERE IN ATTENDANCE WITH US THIS EVENING, 
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AND HE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE ABOUT THE COMPANY AS WELL AS RIVERVIEW VILLAGE AND THE VISION. 
          UM, SO THIS SLIDE IS TAKEN FROM THE CONCEPT PROPOSAL FROM KATCH, THE RIVERVIEW VILLAGE CONCEPTS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          AND IT'S BASED ON THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF CONNECTIVITY, WHICH SPEAKS TO WALKABILITY AND THE LINKAGE TO DESTINATIONS IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA RESTORATION, WHICH SPEAKS TO RESTORING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF HISTORIC DUBLIN AND ENGAGEMENT, WHICH SPEAKS TO THE VIBRANCY AND ACTIVITY AND INTEREST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE SOME INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES FROM THE RIVERVIEW VILLAGE CONCEPT PROPOSAL THAT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          AND THE CONCEPT USES, UM, INCLUDE CO-WORKING OFFICE COLLABORATION, EVENT SPACES, FOOD AND BEVERAGE EXPERIENCES, INNOVATION SPACES, MEETING SPACES, STARTUP PROGRAMMING AND PITCH COMPETITIONS AND SEASONAL VENDORS. 
          SO NOW I'LL WALK THROUGH THE, UM, PROPOSED SUBSTANTIVE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BEGINNING WITH THE DEVELOPER COMMITMENTS FIRST. 
          SO THE DEVELOPER, THE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DESIGNING RIVERVIEW VILLAGE AND USING BEST EFFORTS TO ACHIEVE ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH WILL INCLUDE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, BOARD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL REVIEW. 
          UM, BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024, DEVELOPERS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSTRUCTING THE PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE REVIEWED THROUGH THE PREVIOUSLY REFERENCED PUBLIC PROCESSES AT AN ESTIMATED COST OF AT LEAST $8 MILLION. 
          THEY MUST USE THEIR BEST EFFORTS TO SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION NO LATER THAN DECEMBER 31ST, 2026. 
          CONSTRUCTION OF THE PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS MUST BEGIN NO LATER THAN 60 DAYS AFTER CLOSING. 
          THE DEVELOPER WILL ASSUME ALL REQUIRED MAINTENANCE FROM THE DATE OF THE, UM, AGREEMENT EXECUTION. 
          AND WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE AGREEMENT, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH CO HATCH'S NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS AT THE EXISTING OFFICE WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THE HEADQUARTERS WILL BE EXPANDED INTO RIVERVIEW VILLAGE AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. 
          THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PUBLIC ACCESS TO CERTAIN PATIOS AND OUTDOOR SPACES LOCATED ON THE EAST PARCELS. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED THROUGH THE PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESSES. 
          DEVELOPER COMMITMENTS CONTINUED. 
          UM, THE HEADQUARTERS, MINIMUM ANNUAL PAYROLL IS ANTICIPATED TO BE $8 MILLION. 
          AND THE PROJECT EXPECTED TO CREATE IS EXPECTED TO CREATE 571 JOBS, AND THAT INCLUDES BOTH HEADQUARTERS AND MEMBERS, MEMBERS JOBS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. 
          KATCH WILL AWARD 40 SCHOLARSHIPS PER YEAR FOR NONPROFITS AND UNDERREPRESENTED UNDERREPRESENTED POPULATIONS. 
          THE CITY WILL RE RECEIVE $57,000 IN KATCH CREDIT PER YEAR FOR CITY USE. 
          THE CITY WILL BE LISTED AS A SPONSOR PARTNER ON ALL MARKETING MATERIALS AFFILIATED WITH RIVERVIEW VILLAGE. 
          THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM WILL BE INCLUDED IN ONBOARDING SESSIONS WITH NEW MEMBERS, AND KATCH WILL PROVIDE MEMBER AGREEMENTS INCLUDING TAX ACCOUNT FORMS AND W NINE FORMS TO THE CITY. 
          KOHAT WILL SUBMIT QUARTERLY REPORTS TO THE CITY, INCLUDING EVENTS AND SPECIAL PROGRAMMING AT RIVERVIEW VILLAGE. 
          AND ALL OF THE COMMITMENTS AND BENEFITS ARE SET FORTH IN SECTION 12 OF THE PROPOSED AGREEMENTS. 
          AS FAR AS CITY COMMITMENTS GO IN RETURN, THE CITY WOULD AGREE TO TRANSFER THE LAND AS IS, AND THAT INCLUDES THREE WEST PARCELS AND ONLY THE PORTIONS OF THE TWO EAST PARCELS THAT ARE NECESSARY OR REQUIRED FOR CONSTRUCTION OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THAT'LL BE DETERMINED THROUGH THOSE PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESSES THAT I MENTIONED. 
          THE CITY WILL THEN SPLIT THE EAST PARCELS TO CREATE THE EAST DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY. 
          UPON APPROVAL OF THE FINAL FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE CITY WOULD PROVIDE AN INCOME TAX INCENTIVE, WHICH IS A SEVEN YEAR PAYROLL PERFORMANCE WITHHOLDING INCENTIVE OF 20% UP TO $1.714 MILLION FOR KATCH EMPLOYEES AND ITS MEMBERS. 
          AND AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT UP TO 195,000 FOR 10 YEARS. 
          AND THAT THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE REDUCED DEPENDING UPON INTEREST RATES. 
          THE CITY ALSO WILL DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT NECESSARY PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IN AND AROUND THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING TO NORTH RIVERVIEW STREET, NORTH STREET, BLACKSMITH LANE, AND WING HILL LANE TO BRING THOSE STREETS UP TO STANDARDS. 
          AND THE CITY HAS THE SOLE AUTHORITY TO DETERMINE THE WORK. 
          AND WE WILL ALSO COORDINATE THE SCOPE OF WORK AS WELL AS THE TIMING OF THE WORK AND SCHEDULING WITH THE KATCH PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS REGARDING CLOSING THE OBLIGATION OF THE CITY TO TRANSFER THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP THE PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS ARE CONTINGENT UPON THE SATISFACTION OF ALL OF THE CONTINGENCIES THAT ARE SPECIFIED IN THE AGREEMENT. 
          AND IT ALSO SPECIFIES THAT EITHER THE CITY OR THE DEVELOPER 
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MAY TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME PRIOR TO CLOSING IF THE CONTINGENCIES HAVE NOT BEEN SATISFIED OR WAIVED BY JUNE 30TH, 2025. 
          AND THERE IS ALSO A PURCHASE OPTION INCLUDED, AND THAT IS IN FAVOR OF THE CITY FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, SHOULD THE DEVELOPER FAIL TO COMPLETE THE PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS PRIOR TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2027 OR CEASE OPERATIONS AT RIVERVIEW VILLAGE, THE CITY HAS THE OPTION TO PURCHASE ALL OR A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND THE PURCHASE PRICE IS DETERMINED AS OUTLINED IN THE AGREEMENT, AS WELL AS THE OPTION TIMEFRAMES ARE PROVIDED IN THE AGREEMENT AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THIS LAST SLIDE IS A SUMMARY OF THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF THE AGREEMENT. 
          THE ESTIMATED PROJECT REVENUES TO THE CITY INCLUDE INCOME TAX REVENUES ESTIMATED AT $8.6 MILLION, AND THAT'S THROUGH 2033. 
          AND THOSE WOULD ANTICIPATE TO CONTINUE INTO THE FUTURE. 
          TIF REVENUES WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $10 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE INDIRECT ECONOMIC IMPACTS SUCH AS THE FUTURE OF WORK, ATTRACTION OF ENTREPRENEURS AND STARTUPS, GROWTH OF COMPANIES, CREATIVE AND VIBRANT ATMOSPHERE, INNOVATIVE PROGRAMMING, ET CETERA. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE ESTIMATED PROJECT EXPENDITURES BY THE CITY, AND THOSE INCLUDE THE TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH I MENTIONED. 
          AND THOSE ARE, UM, NEEDED REGARDLESS OF THE DEVELOPMENT FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES, TO BRING THOSE STANDARDS IN AN IMPORTANT AREA OF THE CITY UP TO, UM, STANDARDS. 
          AND WE'VE TENTATIVELY PLANNED TO PROGRAM DESIGN IN 2024 WITH PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE OF $1.19 MILLION, AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION IN 2025 WITH A PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE OF SEVEN, JUST OVER $7 MILLION. 
          AND THOSE ARE VERY EARLY ESTIMATES, AND THERE'S STILL A LOT OF DETAILS TO WORK THROUGH, UM, INCLUDING COORDINATION WITH UTILITIES, UM, AS WELL AS FINALIZING THE SCOPE AND THE PLANS FOR THAT WORK. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE LAND ACQUISITION COSTS, WHICH THE CITY HAS ALREADY INCURRED. 
          AND WE HAVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT, WHICH I SHARED, UM, PREVIOUSLY, AS WELL AS THAT INCOME TAX INCENTIVE. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE PROJECTED REVENUES AS WELL AS EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AGREEMENT. 
          AND WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 33 23 AT THE SECOND READING, PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A REAL ESTATE TRANSFER AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH C S D DUBLIN. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UM, ATCH FOR THEIR PARTNERSHIP IN WORKING THROUGH THE AGREEMENT. 
          AND AS I MENTIONED, MATT DAVIS IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. 
          WE ALSO HAVE GREG DANIELS WHO ASSISTED US WITH DRAFTING THE AGREEMENT HERE, AS WELL AS MATT STIFFLER AND JENNY RAUSCH WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE NEGOTIATIONS. 
          AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MEGAN, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? LIZZIE? MATT, WOULD YOU, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN COMING UP AND, AND TALKING TO THE COUNCIL? SURE. 
          REAL QUICK. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. 
          I KNOW MANY OF YOU, UM, BUT IT IS REALLY AN HONOR TO BE HERE, UM, SINCE WE LAST WON THE KIND OF R F P FOR THIS PROJECT A YEAR AGO, PLUS JUST A FEW THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE WORLD. 
          UM, LUCKILY WE'VE BEEN BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO GROW THROUGH IT, WHETHER IT BE INFL INFLATION, RISING INTEREST RATES, ET CETERA. 
          UH, CO HAS BEEN ABLE TO GROW. 
          UH, IT DID CONTINUE TO PUT A TON OF PRESSURE ON THIS PROJECT. 
          AND, UH, I JUST WANNA COMPLIMENT THE CITY AND, UH, MS. CALLAGHAN'S WHOLE TEAM. 
          I MEAN, I'M HOW MANY TIMES WE MET SINCE WE'VE DONE THIS, BUT, UH, IT TOOK A LOT OF INGENUITY AND CREATIVITY TO TRY TO MAKE A LOT OF THIS HAPPEN. 
          IT'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. 
          UM, I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GROW MOSTLY BECAUSE OUR TRUE TOTAL COMMITMENT TO WHAT WE STAND FOR, STRENGTHENING COMMUNITIES, IMPROVING LIVES, AND EQUIPPING PEOPLE TO BE GREATER. 
          AND I HOPE THAT SHOWS IN THIS, WE'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT HISTORIC RENOVATION, RESTORATION AND CREATING THESE TOWN HALL TWO POINT OHS AND CITIES. 
          I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT REALLY WELL IN DUBLIN SO FAR. 
          YOU HAVE VERY LONG WAIT LIST AND OUR COMPANY'S GROWING AND WE NEED MORE SPACE. 
          SO LUCKILY THROUGH THIS PROJECT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE AS FAR AS CREATING THAT AS WELL AS HOPEFULLY RESTORING AND CREATING THIS AS WELL. 
          UM, IT TRULY WILL BE INNOVATIVE AS FAR AS I COULD TELL. 
          THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THIS IN THE COUNTRY. 
          UM, AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING AND BEAUTIFUL ABOUT CREATING AN ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND INNOVATION DISTRICT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN A BRAND NEW BUILDING. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE, UM, OTHER TOWNS AROUND HERE DOING IT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE WHERE THE CITY WAS FOUNDED. 
          AND IF YOU CAN'T TELL THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, UM, YOU HAVE, I'VE WILLINGLY GIVEN YOU THE CONTROL. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT EVERY STEP. 
          YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT AGAIN OR CANCEL IT. 
          YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT AGAIN OR CANCEL IT. 
          YOU HAVE TO WRITE TO BUY IT BACK. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 
          SO WE PLAN ON BEING HERE FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME, AND WE WILL DO IT THIS PROJECT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES. 
          AND IT'LL BE, WILL BE BY FAR THE LARGEST PROJECT THAT WE'VE 
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TAKEN ON. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT DOING IT, UM, FROM IMAGINE A PLACE WHERE THAT SAYS 570 EMPLOYEES, BUT REALLY YOU'LL SEE THOUSANDS OF SMALL BUSINESSES, THOUSANDS OF NON-PROFITS, TONS OF DIFFERENT STARTUPS. 
          THE FIRST TIME YOU'LL SEE CORPORATE SUITES IN HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UH, FOR OTHER COMPANIES, WHETHER IT BE THE, UM, UH, VENTURE FUNDS OR OTHER INNOVATIVE COMPANIES AROUND COLUMBUS ALL WORKING TOGETHER, HAVING ACTIVITY ON THE RIVER, UM, OTHER CONCEPTS ON THE RIVER AS WELL, WHICH WILL BE SOMETHING TOTALLY NEW. 
          AND I WILL WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY VIBRANT ACROSS THE LINK BRIDGE SO THAT TRULY YOU CAN SEE HISTORIC DUB IN, IN ALL ITS, UH, GLORY FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS. 
          SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, AND THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US THIS FAR. 
          THANKS, MATT. 
          DOES PEOPLE HAVE, DO COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MATT? ANYTHING OR COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR, UH, KATHY? MATT, THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED WORK ON, LIKE YOU SAID, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON A WHILE. 
          COULD YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE SEEN HAPPEN ABOUT ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND THE FUTURE OF WORK AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS IS DOING UNIQUELY OR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE COMMUNITY? BUT THAT'S A CONTINUED QUESTION WE HAVE AND, AND, UM, I KNOW YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, SO YEAH. 
          UM, I GET THAT ASKED QUITE A BIT. 
          SO DURING C O V I D, EVERYONE KIND OF KNEEJERK INTO THE FUTURE, WORK'S GONNA BE ALL REMOTE. 
          AND, AND I'M A BIG FAN OF HUMAN NATURE. 
          SO HUMAN NATURE IS THAT WE HAVE VERY GREAT SHORT-TERM MEMORY LOSS. 
          SO AS SOON AS THINGS GO BY AND THINGS GET BACK TO NORMAL, PEOPLE START TO WANNA DO WHAT THEY USED TO DO. 
          UM, THE DIFFERENCE THIS TIME IS THAT, UH, LARGE COMPANIES GAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES A TASTE OF FREEDOM, RIGHT? SO ONCE YOU GIVE YOUR REALLY HIGH TALENT PEOPLE FREEDOM, IT'S VERY HARD TO RATCHET IT BACK. 
          BUT YOU'RE SEEING IT IN THE NEWS EVERY SINGLE DAY, HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO PULL THINGS BACK. 
          UM, BUT YOU'RE SEEING MORE OF A HYBRID STRUCTURE, RIGHT? WHERE YOU'RE GIVING SINGLE PARENTS, MOMS, HIGH TOWN PEOPLE, THE ABILITY TO WORK HOW THEY NEED TO. 
          UM, THAT'S WHY ATCH HAS GROWN WHERE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SERVICE LARGER COMPANIES, BUT WE, THEY HAVE EMPLOYEES ALL OVER COLUMBUS, RIGHT? SO THEY WANT TO HAVE A HEADQUARTERS IN DIFFERENT OFFICE LIKE DUBLIN, BUT THEY ALSO WANNA GET THEIR PEOPLE TOGETHER FOR MEETINGS AND COLLABORATION, WHICH NOTHING BEATS FACE TO FACE, BUT THEY ALSO WANT TO GIVE THEM SOME FREEDOM TO DO THAT. 
          UM, WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY IN TENANTS WHO WANT TO COME ON BOARD AND SHED THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE SPACE, 10 YEAR LEASE. 
          UH, WE OFFER MONTH TO MONTH, ONE YEAR AND TWO YEAR OPTIONS, WHICH, UM, IS PEOPLE COULD SEE THEIR BUSINESS ONE OR TWO YEARS OUT. 
          THAT GIVES THEM MORE, UH, ABILITY TO DO THAT. 
          UH, WE ALSO, PEOPLE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF WORK AND REALLY WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A FUTURE OF WORK FOR LARGE COMPANIES. 
          UM, WHEREAS THE D N A AND FABRIC OF OUR ECONOMY IS STILL, THE SMALL BUSINESS IS ALWAYS THE ONE THAT 10 PERSON COMPANY OF WHICH THE FUTURE WORKS STILL THE SAME. 
          I'M GONNA GET UP AND GRIND MY ASS OFF, SORRY, GRIND MY BUTT OFF EVERY SINGLE DAY AND I'M GONNA GO SOMEWHERE. 
          AND I HAVE NO CUSTOMERS IN MY LIVING ROOM. 
          THEY'RE ALL OUT IN PUBLIC IN PLACES LIKE THIS. 
          SO THE BEAUTY WHERE I THINK OUR MEMBERS THRIVE THE MOST IS THAT THEY GET TO WAKE UP, THEY GET TO GO TO WORK FREE FROM DISTRACTIONS. 
          BUT IN KATCH, YOU WILL BUMP INTO THE C E O OF CARDINAL HEALTH. 
          YOU'LL BUMP INTO THE C E O OF A, A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. 
          YOU'LL FIND A FREELANCER, YOU'LL FIND A GRAPHIC ARTIST, YOU WILL FIND ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT SAME LOCATION. 
          AND WHAT YOU FIND IS WHAT PEOPLE HAVE IN COMMON IN DUBLIN IS THEY'RE GREAT PEOPLE, GREAT FAMILY PEOPLE, AND THEY START TO DO BUSINESS TOGETHER. 
          SO I THINK THAT THERE IS NO FUTURE WITHOUT SOME SORT OF HYBRID STRUCTURE. 
          LARGE COMPANIES WITH POWER WILL BEGIN TO YANK SOME OF THEIR PEOPLE BACK, BUT THEY WILL START TO SHED, AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN YOUR TOWN, LARGE FOOTPRINTS. 
          SO YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          MATT, I WANTED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, ATCH HAS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL WITH THE CO-WORKING AND BRINGING IN ENTREPRENEURS AND ALSO TURNING IN, UM, WHAT USED TO BE THE BRAZEN HEAD INTO A GREAT, UH, PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND HAVE SOMETHING TO EAT AND, AND MEET. 
          AND YOU'VE DONE THE ENTERTAINMENT WITH, UM, WITH RESTAURANTS. 
          SO ASIDE FROM WHAT WE SEE THAT'S GREAT ABOUT THE WORKING SPACE MM-HMM. 
          , THERE ARE THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE, THE PART THAT'S THE PEDESTRIAN, FUN, FRIENDLY, HAVING SOMETHING TO EAT ON THE RIVER, AND THE SEASONAL PIECE THAT YOU SAID AS YOU WALKED DOWN THAT KIND OF INVITES YOU THERE. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WHAT YOUR VISION OF THAT LOOKS LIKE SO THAT FOLKS WHO ARE MORE INTERESTED IN JUST THE, THE FUN TOURIST PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE DOWN THERE, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE? YEAH, SURE. 
          UM, WE HAVE TONS OF DIFFERENT CONCEPTS THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING THAT WE'LL BRING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, BUT UM, THERE ARE DEFINITELY, WHAT I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IS THE RED, I CALL IT THE RED CABIN HOUSE. 
          WE'LL, TO US WILL BE, UH, SOME SORT OF COCKTAIL LOUNGE FOOD PLACE AND INSIDE THE NEW CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS OF ATCH AND EXPANSION, THERE WILL ALSO BE 
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SOMETHING ELSE DOWN BELOW ON THE RIVERBANK THAT WE FULLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          BUT I'M JUST FASCINATED WITH THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO OPEN SLIDING GLASS WINDOWS AND SEE THE RIVER'S RIVER WHEN IT SNOWS TWO FEET, RIGHT? SO WHEN IT'S IN THE WINTER OR IN THE SPRING OR IN THE FALL DOWN BY THE RIVER, KIND OF ENJOYING THAT. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL ABOUT, I WAS DOWN, SORRY, MAYBE I WASN'T ALLOWED TO GO DOWN THERE. 
          I WAS DOWN THERE ONCE WHEN I ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO WALK ON YOUR LAND. 
          UH, AND IT WAS VERY PEACEFUL. 
          YOU HEAR BIRDS CHIRPING, ET CETERA, AND YOU REALIZE THAT THE AC MARRIOTT AND BRIDGE PARKS RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY. 
          SO IT'S A VERY UNIQUE EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, SO THAT WILL ALL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CAREFUL WITH THE RESIDENTIAL NOW AND CREATE QUIETER CONCEPTS, UM, IN THE TWO HOUSES AS WELL, UH, WHICH WE PLAN ON DOING. 
          UH, AND THEY WON'T BE AS VIBRANT. 
          BUT I DO THINK ONCE WE BUILD THE STUFF ON THE RIVER, EVERYONE'S GONNA WANT TO BE THERE. 
          AND WE ARE TOYING WITH SOME OTHER OUTDOOR CONCEPTS THAT ALLOWS FOR FULL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL SALE. 
          IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT LESS SPACE TO DO FOR SOME MAKER'S CONCEPTS, BUT WE PLAN ON MAKING UP FOR THAT, WITH USING THE STREETS FOR MAKER'S MARKETS AND FESTIVALS AND CRAFTS AND WORKSHOPS IN A PUBLIC FORUM. 
          SO YOU COULD HAVE A GREAT FARMER'S MARKET IN BRIDGE PARK, BUT YOU COULD ALSO HAVE A MAKER'S MARKET ON THE SAME DAY OR OPPOSITE DAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER WITH LOCAL ARTISTS. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TALK AND EXCITEMENT ABOUT THAT STREET RIGHT NOW, AND SO PEOPLE ARE KIND OF CURIOUS AND I, IT'S REALLY NICE TO HEAR YOU EXPLAIN IT TO US. 
          YEAH. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. 
          UM, OUR SECOND READING, UH, I KNOW I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UH, FOR MEGAN, BUT, UM, UM, ONE OF 'EM IS THE HIT THE ZONING, UM, EVENTUALLY, AND I KNOW A R B AGREED WITH THIS, THAT THIS WILL EVENTUALLY BE ZONED TO HISTORIC CORE. 
          AND UM, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT AS THESE, UH, OTHER HOUSES ARE GOING UP FOR AUCTION, THAT, UM, THEY SUGGESTED ON A R B THAT THE ENTIRE STREET AND NOT, YOU DON'T SEGMENT IT, THAT YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL AT WHAT END AND HIS STORY CORE AT THE OTHER. 
          AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT PLANNING WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT OR WHAT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WAS CONSIDERED. 
          BECAUSE ACTUALLY, UM, IT, HAVING IT HISTORIC CORE OPENS UP SOME USES THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO BE USED AND MAYBE MAKE THE THREE ADDITIONAL AUCTION HOUSES MORE ATTRACTIVE. 
          SO I THINK, AND I'LL LOOK INTO THIS AND WE CAN PROVIDE MORE CLARITY, JUST SO I'M MAKING SURE I'M GIVING YOU THE MOST CORRECT ANSWER, IS THE, UM, HISTORIC CORE, FROM WHAT I RECALL, DOES NOT PERMIT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS A USE. 
          SO WE WOULD NOT WANNA REZONE THOSE THREE SOUTHERN PROPERTIES. 
          'CAUSE THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED TO BE RESIDENTIAL SINCE THEY'VE BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          UM, SO, BUT AGAIN, WE CAN LOOK AT HOW THIS ALL FITS COHESIVELY TOGETHER. 
          I MEAN, AS MATT SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE USES ARE VERY COMPATIBLE. 
          SO LET ME DOUBLE CHECK THAT TO MAKE SURE. 
          BUT I THINK OUR INTENT WAS TO THOSE, TO RETAIN THAT HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL ZONING. 
          AND THEN THE PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPOSAL WOULD THEN BE REZONED DECOR, BECAUSE THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS THE USES MORE FULLY. 
          I THINK THE REASON I ASK THAT, JENNY, IS BECAUSE ON HISTORIC SOUTH YOU HAVE BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL TOGETHER, AND IT MAKES THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY MUCH MORE FLEXIBLE. 
          SO YOU COULD HAVE SOMEONE LIVE AND WORK IN THERE, LIVE AND MAKE SOMETHING. 
          YOU COULD HAVE, UM, YOU COULD HAVE A VARIETY. 
          I GUESS I WOULD, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, WHEN I SAW HISTORIC CORE, AND I DIDN'T GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE USES FOR HISTORIC CORE, I DIDN'T REALIZE RESIDENTIAL WASN'T ONE OF THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I WOULD BE KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHAT MIGHT BE THE MOST BENEFICIAL ZONING FOR THE REMAINING STREET. 
          YEAH, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT. 
          WE COULD ALSO LOOK TO SEE MAYBE IF HISTORIC SOUTH WOULD BE, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THE, THE GEOGRAPHY OF THAT, BUT LET, LET US LOOK INTO THAT AND WE CAN PROVIDE SOME MORE CLARITY WITH THE SECOND READING. 
          GREAT. 
          AND I WOULD ADD THAT THE SUCCESSFUL BIDDER IN THE FUTURE OWNERS OF THOSE THREE SOUTHERN PARCELS WOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO PURSUE A REZONING PROCESS, UM, JUST AS WE WILL DO WITH THIS PROJECT AS WELL. 
          SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE AFFORDED THAT OPPORTUNITY IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, UM, OUR SECOND READING AND OUR PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, ORDINANCE 34 
          [Ordinance 34-23]
DASH 23, ESTABLISHING THE BRIDGE STREET RIVERSIDE DRIVE BUSINESS DISTRICT. 
          FOR THE PURPOSES OF CREATING SAFER AND MORE COMFORTABLE STREETS, HONOR DO SO STAFF REPORT IS FROM, UM, JEANNIE WILLIS, OUR DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY. 
          HI, JEANNIE. 
          HELLO. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION POPPING UP BEFORE YOU. 
          TONIGHT IS ORDINANCE 34 23 FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          THIS ORDINANCE WOULD ESTABLISH THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, UM, OR BRIDGE STREET, UH, RIVERSIDE DRIVE BUSINESS DISTRICT. 
          UH, THE SPEED MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WAS APPROVED AT 
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THE JULY 31ST, 2023 COUNCIL MEETING. 
          THE PROGRAM'S VISION STRIVES TO CREATE SAFE AND COMFORTABLE STREETS FOR ALL RESIDENTS AND ROAD USERS, INCLUDING THOSE WALKING AND ROLLING. 
          ONE WAY TO SUPPORT THIS SCHOOL IS TO CREATE A BUSINESS DISTRICT FOR THE PURPOSES OF CREATING SAFER AND MORE COMFORTABLE STREETS. 
          CITY COUNCIL WAS SUPPORTIVE OF ESTABLISHING A BUSINESS DISTRICT DURING THE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL PROCESS OF THE SPEED MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, AS IT WOULD DIRECTLY SUPPORT THE VISION OF CREATING THIS, THOSE SAFE AND COMFORTABLE STREETS FOR ALL ROADWAY USERS, INCLUDING THOSE WALKING AND ROLLING. 
          THIS TYPE OF LEGISLATION WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE ACTION ITEMS IDENTIFIED FOR THE THIRD QUARTER OF 2023 IN THE PROJECTED IMPLEMENTATION PLAN OF THE PROGRAM. 
          THE PURPOSE OF DEFINING THE BUSINESS DISTRICT IS TO SUPPORT WALKING, BIKING, AND TRANSIT. 
          IT WILL HELP ESTABLISH AND SUPPORT THE URBAN WALKABLE AREAS THAT MAKE DUBLIN A HEALTHIER AND MORE VIBRANT CITY. 
          IT WILL ALSO SUPPORT THE AMPLE SIDEWALKS, SHARED USE PATHS, TRANSIT STOPS, BIKE RACKS, SHARED MOBILITY DEVICES, AND THE DUBLIN LENGTH PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. 
          THE FORMAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ALSO SERVES ANOTHER, A FEW OTHER, UM, CITYWIDE, UH, KEY TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY INITIATIVES SUCH AS THE SPEED MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND THE SILVER LEVEL BICYCLE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY AWARD. 
          A FORMAL DISTRICT IS PROPOSED TO BE ESTABLISHED, UH, THAT DEFINES THE PURPOSE AND THE BOUNDARY OF THIS BUSINESS DISTRICT. 
          THE PREVIOUS SLIDE HIGHLIGHTED THE PURPOSE OF THE PROPOSED DISTRICT. 
          THIS SLIDE, UH, WORKS TO DEFINE THE BOUNDARY OF THE DISTRICT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO ENCOMPASS THE BRIDGE STREET AND HISTORIC DUBLIN ZONING DISTRICTS, GENERALLY BOUNDED BY SAWMILL ROAD TO THE EAST I TWO 70 TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH AND BRIDGE STREET STATE ROUTE 1 61, UH, TO THE SOUTH. 
          AS SHOWN IN THE YELLOW SHADED AREA ON THIS SLIDE, THESE TWO AREAS WERE SPECIFICALLY SELECTED FOR THIS PROPOSED BOUNDARY AS THEY CONTAIN THE CORE WALKABLE, MULTIMODAL, AND DENSE URBAN AREAS OF DUBLIN STAFF DOES REALIZE THAT THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY, UH, WHICH IS BRIDGE STREET 1 61, DOES NOT PERFECTLY MATCH THE ACTUAL PROPOSED BOUNDARY, WHICH IS WHY THE BRIDGE STREET AND HISTORIC DUBLIN ZONING MAPS ARE SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED IN SECTION ONE OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH ALSO REFERENCES THIS SAME MAP. 
          ONCE THE BRIDGE STREET RIVERSIDE DRIVE BUSINESS DISTRICT IS DEFINED, THE PROCESS TO LOWER A SPEED LIMIT IN THE DEFINED AREA IS RELATIVELY EASY. 
          STAFF WOULD SIMPLY SUBMIT A SPEED, SPEED LIMIT REVISION FORM TO ODOT ALONG WITH THE LIST. 
          THIS LEGISLATION DEFINING THE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THE MAP TO ODOT THIS ACTION WOULD REMOVE ANY OUTSTANDING JOURNALIZED SPEED LIMITS THAT MAY BE IN PLACE. 
          AND RECORDS THE REVISED PRIMA FACIE LIMIT. 
          ONCE COMPLETED BY ODOT ODOT DUBLIN COULD THEN, UH, ERECT THE NEW SPEED LIMIT SIGNS PROVIDE THE DATE THE SIGNS WERE INSTALLED WITH THE SIGNATURE AND RESUBMIT TO ODOT FOR THEIR RECORDS. 
          THE FIRST CORE PEDESTRIAN AREA STAFF PROPOSES TO ADDRESS IS THE RIVERSIDE DRIVE CORRIDOR BETWEEN THE NORTH SIDE OF MARTIN ROAD NORTH TO TOLLER ROAD. 
          OOPS, EXCUSE ME. 
          AT THIS TIME, STAFF IS FOCUSING ON LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE FROM THE CURRENT 40 MILES PER HOUR TO 25 MILES PER HOUR, BECAUSE ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN CHARACTER FROM THE SUBURBAN STYLE SHOPPING CENTER AND DRIVING RANGE ENVIRONMENT TO THE KNOW THE NOW URBAN MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT WITH THE HIGHLY ACTIVE PEDESTRIAN AREA, IT IS THE ROADWAY WITH THE HIGHEST SPEED LIMIT WITHIN THIS VERY SUCCESSFUL MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          U-TURN VIOLATIONS ALONG RIVERSIDE DRIVE HAVE ALSO BEEN ANOTHER COMMON CONCERN STAFF HAS RECEIVED, PARTICULARLY AS THEY RELATE TO THE HIGH PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY IN THE AREA. 
          ESTABLISHING THE BUSINESS DISTRICT WILL SUPPORT POLICE ENFORCEMENT OF THESE TYPES OF VIOLATIONS WITHIN THE DISTRICT AS U-TURNS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN A BUSINESS DISTRICT. 
          UNDER DUBLIN CODE SECTION 72.014, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE URBAN MIXED USE CHARACTER AND DEVELOPMENT FURTHER, AS THE URBAN MIXED USE CHARACTER AND DEVELOPMENT FURTHER EXTENDS THROUGHOUT THE BUSINESS DISTRICT, THE CITY WILL BE ABLE TO EASILY UPDATE THE SPEED LIMIT TO REFLECT THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE. 
          ACCORDINGLY, IT IS NOT THE INTENTION TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT ON OTHER ROADWAYS OUTSIDE THE CORE URBAN AREA, UM, AND ALSO ON ALLEYS IN SCHOOL ZONES. 
          SINCE THOSE SPEED LIMITS ARE ACTUALLY LOWER THAN THE 25 MILES PER HOUR AND OR ON ROADWAYS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE FREEWAY EXIT AND ENTRANCE RAMPS. 
          THE ACTION PLAN DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN WAS DEVELOPED IN COORDINATION 
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WITH C P I AND POLICE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A FOCUS ON EDUCATION FOR DRIVERS, DRIVERS PRIOR TO ENFORCEMENT. 
          ACTUALLY BEGINNING MESSAGE BOARDS AND SPEED TRAILERS WILL BE USED TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OF THE UPCOMING CHANGE INTO HIGHLIGHT DRIVER SPEEDS WHILE THEY ARE IN THE NEWLY REDUCED SPEED ZONE. 
          THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS THE FLYER THAT PD WILL USE DURING THE OCTOBER 13TH THROUGH 29TH TIME PERIOD, WHICH IS A LITTLE LONGER THAN TWO FULL WEEKS. 
          THAT WILL FOCUS ON EDUCATING THE PUBLIC AS REGARDING WHY THE SPEED LUMA SPEED ZONE IS CHANGING. 
          SOCIAL MEDIA WILL BE ANOTHER AVENUE USED TO SHARE, TO SHARE THE CHANGE WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          AND AS NOTED ON THE SCREEN, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 34 23, ESTABLISHING THE BRIDGE STREET RIVERSIDE DRIVE BUSINESS DISTRICT FOR THE PURPOSES OF CREATING SAFER OR MORE AND MORE COMFORTABLE STREETS AT THE SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2023. 
          AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, JEANNIE, LINDSAY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? ALL RIGHT, QUESTIONS FOR JEANNIE COMMENTS. 
          AMY, I JUST HAVE A QUICK COMMENT. 
          I WANTED TO THANKS STAFF FOR MOVING THIS FORWARD SO QUICKLY. 
          I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. 
          UH, CHANGING A SPEED LIMIT ON A STATE ROUTE FOR THOSE WHO'VE NEVER TRIED TO DO IT IS VERY HARD TO DO. 
          SO THIS IS VERY EXCITING THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION. 
          UM, AND FOR THE, THE PUBLIC THAT MIGHT BE LISTENING, THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL OF OUR STREETS ARE GONNA GO TO 25 IN THIS AREA. 
          IT JUST MEANS WE ARE ABLE TO DO IT MORE EASILY. 
          AND DRIVING SOUTH ON RIVERSIDE THIS WEEKEND WITH PEOPLE PARKING, PARALLEL PARKING ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE, I AM LOOKING VERY MUCH FORWARD TO 25 MILES AN HOUR. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          JEANNIE, CAN YOU OUTLINE THE PROCESS FOR, SO THIS IS INITIALLY GOING TO BE ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE. 
          SO CAN YOU OUTLINE, JUST SO EVERYONE IS AWARE OF WHAT THE PROCESS WILL BE, SHOULD WE DESIRE TO CHANGE THE SPEED LIMITS ON OTHER ROADS IN THE BUSINESS DISTRICT? YES. 
          ACTUALLY, I HAVE A SLIDE PREPARED JUST IN CASE THIS QUESTION COME UP, CAME UP IF WE COULD. 
          YEAH, THERE WE GO. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT THE ODOT, UM, SPEED REVISION FORM LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, WE SIMPLY, UM, FILL OUT THIS PARTICULAR FORM. 
          WE DEFINE THE LIMITS OF WHERE WE WANT THE, UM, SPEED LIMIT TO CHANGE. 
          SO WE HAVE TO HAVE LOGICAL TERMINI ON EITHER SIDE. 
          UH, WE SUBMIT THIS TO THE, UM, STATE OF OHIO ODOT, UH, WITH A RECORD OF THIS LEGISLATION AND THE ATTACHED MAP. 
          AND WE SAY THIS IS NOW A FORMALLY DEFINED BUSINESS DISTRICT UNDER OHIO, REVISED CODE 45, 11 0.21. 
          SPEED LIMITS WITHIN A BUSINESS DISTRICT ARE 25 MILES PER HOUR. 
          AND THEREFORE, PRIMA FAIAL LAWFUL IT IS 25. 
          ODOT WOULD REVIEW THIS PARTICULAR FORM. 
          THEY WOULD SEE THE LEGISLATION IN PLACE. 
          THEY WOULD AGREE THAT THIS IS THE PRIMA FAIAL LAWFUL SPEED. 
          THEY WOULD SEND IT BACK TO US WITH THEIR SIGNATURE. 
          WE GO OUT, WE ERECT THE SIGNS, WE SIGN AND DATE WHEN WE INSTALLED THE SIGNS, WE SHIP IT BACK TO ODOT FOR THEIR RECORDS AND WE'RE DONE. 
          AND WHAT WILL OUR PUBLIC PROCESS BE? SO TONIGHT WE'RE HAVING THIS PUBLIC PROCESS THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING THE SPEED LIMITS ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE. 
          SO WHAT WILL BE THE PUBLIC PROCESS? SHOULD WE DETERMINE, WE MIGHT WANT TO DO THIS ON OTHER STREETS IN THE DISTRICT? YES. 
          SO IT WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ACTION PLAN THAT WE HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED, UH, FOR RIVERSIDE DRIVE. 
          WE WOULD CERTAINLY WORK WITH, UM, OUR C P I TEAM AND OUR PD TEAM AT THE TIME, UM, TO DEFINE THE EXACT DETAILS OF WHAT THAT, UM, ACTION PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          BUT OF COURSE, IT WOULD INCLUDE SOME SORT OF PUBLIC EDUCATION. 
          UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IT WOULD ALSO HAVE AN ENCA AN EDUCATION ENFORCEMENT COMPONENT PRIOR TO ACTUALLY WRITING CITATIONS. 
          YEAH, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE US TO HA TO HAVE A PUBLIC CONVERSATION ON IT AS WE GO STREET BY STREET. 
          JUST, JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD SIMILARLY. 
          LIKE THIS IS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT AND ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS OUTLINE WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE, AS DOES THE PRESENTATION THAT'S AVAILABLE TO ANYONE ON THE WEBSITE. 
          AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE US TO CONTINUE WITH THAT KIND OF PROCESS. 
          SHOULD WE CHANGE ANY OTHER SPEED LIMITS IN THE BUSINESS DISTRICT? THANKS FOR DOING IT. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          REALLY SUPPORT IT. 
          THANK YOU, JEANNIE. 
          I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT TOO. 
          I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL, ESPECIALLY IN RIVERSIDE DRIVE. 
          I MEAN THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIANS ACROSS THAT STREET AND BECAUSE THERE'S NOT, UH, AN EASY WAY, IT'S A LONG ROAD TO HAVE TO TRY PEOPLE RUN ACROSS. 
          BUT, UM, YOU MENTIONED, AND MAYBE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE THAT HAD THE ONES THAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE FUTURE OF CHANGING THESE 
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SPEED LIMITS. 
          UM, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE THE, UM, CATALYST THAT YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT BRIDGE STREET OR SOME OF THESE OTHER ROADS? WHAT, WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU THINK THAT IT'S TIME TO DO THAT? SO I WOULD LOOK TO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THE DENSITY AND THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE, UH, ROADWAY IS AS BRIDGE STREET, UM, IN THIS WALKABLE MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT EXPANDS ACROSS THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT. 
          WE WILL EXPERIENCE AN INCREASED NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS AND VULNERABLE ROAD USERS. 
          WE WILL ALSO EXPERIENCE DENSER DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND AS THOSE CONDITIONS EXPAND, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD LOOK TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMITS AT THAT TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          KATHY HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND ALL THE STAFF AND THE CHIEF FOR, FOR DOING THIS. 
          THIS IS A LOT OF WORK AND IT'S, AS AMY SAID, ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS TO DO, BUT YOU DID IT. 
          YES. 
          I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT ENFORCEMENT. 
          ONCE THE TIME PASSES, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT MM-HMM. 
          , UH, SPEED AND SPEED ENFORCEMENT. 
          SO, UM, WHAT IS, WHAT CAN RESIDENTS EXPECT FROM AN ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE? THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. 
          SO I, I THINK TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE WILL START WITH EDUCATION FIRST AND FOREMOST, RIGHT? AND THEN ONCE THE TIME PASSED, AS, AS YOU SAID, UM, WE WILL ADDRESS ENFORCEMENT AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, IN FURTHERANCE OF SPEED MANAGEMENT. 
          SO AS I'VE SAID A FEW TIMES BEFORE, IT DEPENDS ON THE VIOLATION, UM, AS TO IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET A TICKET. 
          BUT WE WILL, WE WILL AGGRESSIVELY ENFORCE THIS AREA. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING IT A SAFER AREA. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS HERE TRYING TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR ALL THE ROADWAY USERS AND THE PEDESTRIANS. 
          DOES THAT HELP WITH WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YEAH. 
          UH, IN TERMS OF STAFFING AND WHAT WE WILL NEED TO DO TO ENFORCEMENT, WE'RE FEELING THAT WE'RE GOOD TO GO ON THAT, AS I SEE WELL AS THE INCREASE THAT WE'VE NOW COMMITTED TO THE RESIDENTS WE'RE GONNA DO ACROSS THE CITY. 
          YEP. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          SORRY. 
          SO FORTUNATELY, WE ARE AT THE POINT NOW THAT OUR TRAFFIC UNIT IS FULLY STAFFED WITH OFFICERS. 
          SO I'M EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE FOUR TRAFFIC OFFICERS AT THIS POINT. 
          WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF FILLING OUR, OUR C I U, OUR COMMUNITY IMPACT UNIT TRAFFIC SERGEANT AS WELL. 
          SO THAT SHOULD BE DONE WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH. 
          SO WE ARE VERY WELL SITUATED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS NOT ONLY THIS AS IT PRESENTS, BUT ALSO ALL OF THE OTHER PIECES OF THE CITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS, SCHOOL ZONES, TWO 70 BRIDGE PARK AREA. 
          WE'RE VERY WELL SITUATED AT THIS POINT, STAFFING WISE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          SO OUR SECOND READING IN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 11TH. 
          JEANNIE, THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          SO MUCH WORK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ORDINANCE 35 DASH 
          [Ordinance 35-23]
23, ADOPTING THE 2024 THROUGH 20 28, 5 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OUR STAFF REPORT IS FROM DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, MATT STIFFLER. 
          EVENING, MATT. 
          GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. 
          SO TONIGHT WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE 2024 THROUGH 2028 C I P WITH THE FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE, THE SCHEDULE. 
          WE HAD A FIRST WORK SESSION IN JUNE. 
          WE HAD A SECOND WORK SESSION LAST MONDAY WHERE SOME OF THE PROJECTS AND SOME CHANGES TO THE C I P, THE PROPOSED C I P WERE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. 
          WE'RE HAVING THE FIRST READING. 
          THE SECOND READING WILL NOT BE IN THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, BUT WE'LL BE ONE MONTH FROM NOW. 
          OUR EXPECTATION IS AT THAT MEETING, WE WILL HAVE A MEMO ADDRESSING MANY OF THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED AT THAT FIRST WORK SESSION. 
          UM, AND WE CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS BEFORE OR AFTER SEPTEMBER 25TH AS WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THIS IF NECESSARY. 
          REGARDING THE C I P, WE, UH, IDENTIFIED 147 PROJECTS TOTALING JUST OVER $240 MILLION ACROSS THE CITY. 
          THE LARGEST YEAR OF C I P EXECUTION WILL BE THE SECOND YEAR, AND THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY DUE TO THE BRIDGE OVER TWO 70 IN THAT SECOND YEAR. 
          IN TERMS OF PROJECTS, PROJECTS ARE WELL-FUNDED AND SUPPORTED ACROSS A VARIETY OF REVENUE SOURCES, THE LARGEST OF WHICH, UH, IS INCOME TAX AND PROPERTY TAX REVENUES FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TAX FUND. 
          WE'RE ALSO UTILIZING, UM, SOME DEBT FINANCING IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS AND SOME GRANT FUNDING FOR FEDERAL AND STATE PROJECTS AND WATER PROJECTS REGARDING MAINTENANCE. 
          THIS C I P, UH, CONTINUES OUR POLICY AND PROCESS OF PRIORITIZING THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR CURRENT ASSETS. 
          WE'RE PROGRAMMING ALMOST 
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100 MILLION IN MAINTENANCE, INCLUDING 44 MILLION FOR STREETS AND PARKING, OR ABOUT HALF OF OUR MAINTENANCE, UH, BUDGET ON OUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, STREETS AND PARKING. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO KEEP THE CITY IN THE SAME CONDITION THAT WE FIND IT TODAY, IF NOT BETTER MOVING FORWARD. 
          IN TERMS OF NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE SPENDING $142.1 MILLION ON NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE LARGEST COMPONENT OF THIS IS, AGAIN, STREETS AND PARKING, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS TO MOBILITY PARKS, UH, CITY FACILITIES, AND OUR, UH, SANITARY SEWER STORM WATER PROGRAMS. SO WE HAVE A WELL-BALANCED C I P THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE COMPETING PRIORITIES OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANKS, MATT. 
          ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NONE. 
          COUNCIL QUESTIONS FOR MATT? NO QUESTIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NO QUESTIONS. 
          MATT. 
          ? IS THAT GOOD? ? THANK YOU. 
          THE SECOND READING AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2023. 
          NEXT IN 
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OTHER BUSINESS, UM, WE HAVE THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER FEASIBILITY STUDY UPDATE, AND ROBERT RZ IS GOING TO GIVE US A STAFF REPORT. 
          ROBERT, THANK YOU. 
          AND GOOD EVENING MEMBERS COUNCIL, UH, DUNCAN WEBB, PRESIDENT OF WEB MANAGEMENT JOINS US AGAIN THIS EVENING TO REVIEW THE, UH, PHASE TWO OF THE FINDINGS OF THE PERFOR PERFORMING ARTS CENTER FEASIBILITY STUDY. 
          UH, PHASE ONE WAS PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL AT THE JUNE 30TH, 2023 COUNCIL MEETING. 
          AT THAT TIME, STAFF DIRECTED OR THE COUNCIL RATHER DIRECTED STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WEB MANAGEMENT. 
          UH, TO MOVE ON TO PHASE TWO OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY STAFF PROVIDED AN UPDATE OF PHASE TWO TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. 
          INCIDENTALLY, AT THAT TIME, THE TOPIC WAS ALSO REFERRED TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, AND IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE MAY 23RD MEETING C D C DIRECTED STAFF TO COMPLETE THE STUDY. 
          UM, AND RETURN TO COUNCIL FOR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK TONIGHT, UH, DUNCAN WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE REGARDING THE, UM, PHASE TWO, THE COMPLETED WORK DONE FOR PHASE TWO, AND THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS AT THE END, WHICH WILL INCLUDE A DISCUSSION OF NEXT STEPS. 
          SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO DUNCAN. 
          THANK YOU, ROBERT. 
          UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO RETURN TO PRESENT THE SECOND HALF OF OUR FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THE NEED AND OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP NEW LIVE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT FACILITIES IN AND FOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN. 
          UM, SO TONIGHT I'M GONNA REMIND YOU OF THE WORK THAT WE PRESENTED IN JUNE, AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE PHYSICAL PLANNING AND THE BUSINESS PLANNING WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH OUR PARTNERS, HELPING YOU THINK ABOUT HOW NEW FACILITIES MIGHT BE BUILT, WHAT THEY WILL COST, HOW THEY SHOULD BE PROGRAMMED, HOW THEY MIGHT BE OPERATED, AND THEN WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO FINANCIALLY SUSTAIN THEM AND WELL AS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT THEY WILL HAVE ON YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST PHASE OF OUR WORK, UH, ASKED AND ANSWERED FOUR QUESTIONS. 
          UH, IS THERE AN AUDIENCE FOR NEW FACILITIES? YES. 
          DUBLIN IS A GROWING COMMUNITY, UH, WITH THE PROPENSITY AND CAPACITY TO PARTICIPATE IN LIVE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT. 
          UM, IS THERE DEMAND ON THE PART OF USERS? YES, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LOCAL AND REGIONAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANT AND NEED ACCESS TO BETTER FACILITIES THAN ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE. 
          THREE. 
          UH, WHAT'S WRONG WITH CURRENT FACILITIES IN THE, IN THE MARKET? UM, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT GAPS IN TERMS OF CAPACITY, BUT ALSO DEFICIENCIES, UH, ACCESSING SCHOOL FACILITIES, LIMITED STAGE AND BACKSTAGE AREAS, LIMITED FUNCTIONALITY THAT MIGHT BE, UH, UH, MITIGATED WITH NEW AND IMPROVED FACILITIES. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, UH, HOW MIGHT A PROJECT LIKE THIS SUPPORT THE BROADER GOALS THAT YOU'VE SET FOR DUBLIN? UH, THIS IS A VERY STRONG, YES. 
          UH, YOU ARE KEENLY ATTUNED TO PROVIDING A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE TO YOUR RESIDENTS, BUT WE'RE ALSO REALLY EXCITED ABOUT HOW A PROJECT LIKE THIS SUPPORTS YOUR EFFORTS AROUND CREATIVITY AND INNOVATION AND THE, THE ENVIRONMENT YOU'RE CREATING FOR BUSINESSES AND WORKERS AS WELL AS FOR RESIDENTS. 
          SO ON THAT BASIS, WE RECOMMENDED, UH, WHAT WE REFERRED TO AS AN ARTS AND INNOVATION HUB, TYING IN THE SAME SORT OF IDEA OF ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AS LONG AS, AS WELL AS CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          WITHIN THAT, WE RECOMMENDED A MAIN THEATER, WHICH COULD HAVE A CAPACITY OF 4,800 SEATS, A SECOND SMALLER SPACE, UH, CLASSROOMS AND OTHER PROGRAM SPACE. 
          IT'D BE GREAT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING OUTDOORS AROUND IT. 
          AND THEN TO TRY AND INCORPORATE THE FINE AND VISUAL ARTS INTO THE PROJECT WHEREVER AND HOWEVER POSSIBLE. 
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UH, WE KICKED OFF THE SECOND HALF OF WORK IN A SESSION IN THIS ROOM IN APRIL. 
          WE HAD 12, UH, ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AND ARTS EDUCATORS FROM THE COMMUNITY WITH US HERE. 
          AND WE ENGAGED IN SORT OF A SPECULATIVE DISCUSSION. 
          IF THIS CENTER WAS ABOUT TO OPEN, TELL US, UH, HOW YOU MIGHT USE IT. 
          TELL US HOW YOU'D LIKE TO OPERATE FOR YOUR BENEFIT. 
          HOW DO WE DEAL WITH RENT AND, UH, TICKET PRICES AND FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPERATIONS? AND WE GOT INTO VERY SPECIFIC DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW THIS FACILITY MIGHT BE OPERATED AND BUILT TO SERVE THE USERS. 
          UM, UH, KEY PHYSICAL ISSUES THAT CAME OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE REHEARSAL SPACES. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE STORAGE SPACE, AND CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE ACOUSTICALLY EXCELLENT SPACES FOR A RANGE OF PROGRAMS. UH, MOST DEMANDING, REALLY THE LIVE UNAMPLIFIED MUSIC. 
          UH, ON THE OPERATING SIDE, WE HAD GREAT DISCUSSIONS AROUND, UH, THE, THE DEMAND AND OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A SPACE FOR ALL OF THE FESTIVALS THAT YOU SPONSOR AS A COMMUNITY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF STRONG FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPERATIONS. 
          UH, THE HIGHLIGHT OF THAT EVENING WAS WE PUT BLANK CALENDARS DOWN ON THE TABLES AND INVITED GROUPS TO ESSENTIALLY BOOK THEIR FIRST YEAR OF USE IN THE BUILDING. 
          AND WHAT WE SEE IS PRETTY EVENLY SPACED OUT, A UTILIZATION OF A MAIN THEATER AND A SMALL THEATER JUST ON THE PART OF THIS RELATIVELY, UM, UH, KIND OF THE MODERATE, UH, GROUP OF USERS. 
          WE THEN WENT BACK OUT, UH, TO ALL THE OTHERS WHO WEREN'T ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT SESSION, AND ISSUED ANOTHER SURVEY, TESTING THEIR UTILIZATION OF THE EMERGING CONCEPT FOR NEW FACILITIES. 
          AND THAT ALLOWED US TO GAIN A BIT MORE CONFIDENCE THAT WE HAD REASONABLE LEVELS OF UTILIZATION, BOTH FOR A MAIN STAGE THEATER AND FOR A SMALLER, MORE FLEXIBLE SPACE. 
          WITH THAT INFORMATION IN PLACE, WE PUT OUR PARTNERS TO WORK, AND OUR PARTNERS ON THIS PHASE OF WORK IS A COMPANY CALLED SCHULER SHOOK. 
          IT'S A THEATER PLANNING FIRM WITH OFFICES AROUND THE WORLD. 
          UH, THEIR HEAD OFFICE IS IN CHICAGO, AND, UH, JOSH GROSSMAN, WHO WAS WITH ME IN APRIL, TOOK ALL THAT INFORMATION THAT WE COLLECTED, AND FIRST DID A SPACE PROGRAM, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A LISTING OF ALL THE ROOMS YOU WOULD WANNA INCLUDE IN A BUILDING LIKE THIS. 
          AND WE DECIDED WITH JOSS THAT WHAT WE WOULD DO IS TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. 
          ONE IS SORT OF A FULLY DEVELOPED CONCEPT WITH A 700 SEAT THEATER, AS WELL AS THE SECOND THEATER AND LOTS OF SUPPORT SPACES. 
          AND THEN WE SAID, IF WE HAD TO TRIM THAT BACK, HOW FAR COULD WE TRIM THAT BACK AND STILL MEET THE ESSENTIAL NEEDS THAT WE HEARD IN THE COMMUNITY? AND THAT TOOK US DOWN TO ABOUT A 500 SEAT THEATER, THE MAIN STAGE THEATER, UM, WE TOOK OUT, BUT WE KIND OF BEEFED UP THE MULTIPURPOSE SPACE. 
          SO FOR THE FULLY DEVELOPED CONCEPT, IT'S A NET 55,000 FEET. 
          AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE, THE INTERIOR MEASUREMENTS OF EVERY ROOM. 
          TO GROSS THAT UP, WE ADD WALLS AND CORRIDORS AND MECHANICAL SPACES. 
          AND BECAUSE THESE BUILDINGS ARE SO INEFFICIENT, THERE'S NO SQUARES AND EASILY SORT OF STACKABLE SPACES. 
          THE GROSS INTAKE IT FROM 55,000 SQUARE FEET TO 91,000. 
          WHEN WE TOOK IT DOWN TO THE SMALLER VERSION, THE NET WAS 39,000. 
          AND THAT GETS GROSSED UP TO 64,000. 
          SO STILL A BIG BUILDING. 
          IN EITHER CASE, JOSH THEN DEVELOPED A CAPITAL BUDGET BASED ON THREE RANGES, UM, 800, 900 AND A THOUSAND BUCKS A SQUARE FOOT, WHICH A FEW YEARS AGO, I WOULD'VE SAID WOULD, WE'RE ALL VERY MUCH ON THE HIGH SIDE. 
          BUT GIVEN THE VERY RAPID ESCALATION OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS IN RECENT YEARS, NOW GIVES US A GOOD SORT OF LOWER MEDIUM AND HIGHER END. 
          NOW, A THOUSAND DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT STILL DOESN'T BUILD THE TAJ MAHAL AS PEOPLE SAY, BUT IT GETS US FROM SORT OF A, A SORT OF, I WOULD SAY THAT 800 BUCKS A SQUARE FOOT IS KIND OF HIGH SCHOOL QUALITY. 
          UM, 900 BUCKS A SQUARE FOOT IS SORT OF MID-LEVEL PROFESSIONAL, MODERATE PROFESSIONAL. 
          A THOUSAND BUCKS IS SORT OF HIGHER QUALITY PROFESSIONAL LEVEL OF FACILITIES. 
          SO IF WE DO THE FULLY DEVELOPED CONCEPT THAT GIVES US, UH, WE GO CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND AT SOFT COSTS, THAT GIVES US A RANGE FROM 95 MILLION TO $119 MILLION. 
          IF WE TRIM DOWN TO OUR 500 SEAT CONCEPT WITH THE OTHER SORT OF SQUEEZES THAT WE'VE MADE, THE PROJECT COST RANGE GOES FROM 67 MILLION TO 83 MILLION. 
          SO WHILE JOSH WAS DOING THAT WORK, UH, WE DEVELOPED A PRELIMINARY BUSINESS PLAN THAT STARTS WITH THESE GOALS. 
          UH, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS, OR YOU ARE DOING THIS TO ATTRACT AND SUPPORT WONDERFUL PROGRAMS, UM, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF DUBLIN RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. 
          SECONDLY, YOU'RE PROVIDING GREAT FACILITIES FOR DUBLIN AND REGIONAL 
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ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, UH, TO ALLOW THEM TO ADVANCE THEIR WORK. 
          THIRD, YOU'RE TRYING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMIC VITALITY AND VIBRANCY OF DUBLIN, ENHANCING THE QUALITY OF LIFE, ATTRACTING VISITORS, AND DRIVING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THE TRICK IS TO DO ALL OF THAT AND TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THE BUILDING WITH A REASONABLE BALANCE OF EARNED INCOME AND CONTRIBUTING INCOME BASED ON THE VALUE THAT THE BUILDING PROVIDES TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE REGION. 
          SO IN WRITING A BUSINESS PLAN, WE CONSIDERED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE CENTER MIGHT BE OPERATED. 
          IT COULD BE OPERATED BY GOVERNMENT. 
          UH, THERE ARE ALSO LOTS OF PRESIDENTS FOR THE NONPROFIT SECTOR, OPERATING BUILDINGS LIKE THIS. 
          THERE ARE ALSO COMPANIES THAT YOU CAN HIRE TO RUN THESE BUILDINGS ON YOUR BEHALF, OR YOU CAN ENGAGE IN EDUCATIONAL SECTOR PARTNER TO DO THAT AS AND WHEN IT'S TIME TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          UH, WE'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH SOME INSIGHTS IN OUR REPORT ON HOW TO APPROACH THAT. 
          BUT THE THINGS THAT REALLY MATTER TO US ARE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE MAKING THE CHOICE THAT MANAGES THE LEVEL OF FINANCIAL RISK TO THE CITY TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXTERNAL ONGOING FUNDRAISING TO SUSTAIN OPERATIONS SO THAT THE BUILDING ISN'T JUST RELYING ON GOVERNMENT, BUT ALSO TO ENSURE THAT LOCAL ARTISTS AND ARTS ORGANIZATIONS ARE ABLE TO ACCESS FACILITIES. 
          THAT OFTEN BECOMES A CHALLENGE WHEN YOU HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL SECTOR PARTNER AS AN OPERATOR OF FACILITIES. 
          UM, ALSO IN OUR BUSINESS PLAN, FAIRLY EXTENSIVE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO APPROACH ALL OF THE COMPLICATED PARTS OF RUNNING THESE BUILDINGS. 
          UH, BUILDING THE RENTAL BUSINESS BOTH FOR NON-PROFIT USERS, BUT ALSO THE FOR-PROFIT RENTAL ACTIVITY THAT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO DRIVE SUSTAINABILITY, FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPERATIONS, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT AS AN AMENITY FOR THESE BUILDINGS, BUT THAT CAN ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY EVENT TICKETING, UH, AS AN EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE, BUT ALSO AS A CRITICAL MEANS TO GATHER DATA TO HELP THE MARKETING OF EVENTS AND PROGRAMS IN THE BUILDING. 
          ALSO, IN BUILDINGS LIKE THIS, AND IN COMMUNITIES LIKE THIS, VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, UH, TO BUILD KIND OF THAT LABOR FORCE AND THOSE SORT OF GORILLA MARKETERS WHO WERE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW AT YOUR CENTER, AND THEN THE NEED TO ADDRESS ISSUES SUCH AS SAFETY AND SECURITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY. 
          OUR BUSINESS PLAN ALSO INCLUDES RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW THE BUILDING SHOULD BE STAFFED. 
          UH, THE, THE, THESE BUILDINGS ARE VERY LABOR INTENSIVE, AND WE HAVE A COMBINATION OF FULL-TIME STAFF, THE GREEN BOXES, UH, PART-TIME STAFF, THE ORANGE BOXES, AND THEN EVENT-BASED STAFF, MEANING FOLKS WHO ARE BROUGHT IN ON FOUR SPECIFIC EVENTS, UH, AS WELL. 
          SO IT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING A LOT OF HOURS AND VERY DIFFERENT SKILLED POSITIONS TO SUSTAIN THESE BUILDINGS. 
          THE KEY DELIVERABLE FOR ME WAS WRITING A PRO FORMA OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH WE'VE DONE BOTH FOR THESE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. 
          THE, OUR THEORY ABOUT THESE BUDGETS IS THAT ACTIVITY DRIVES EARNED REVENUE, WHICH IN TURN DRIVES STAFFING AND OPERATING EXPENSES, WHICH IN TURN THEN DICTATES THE AMOUNT OF CONTRIBUTED INCOME THAT IS REQUIRED TO SUSTAIN THE BUILDING. 
          SO THEN WE CIRCLE BACK AND SAY, IS THAT CONTRIBUTED INCOME REQUIREMENT, UH, VIABLE AND POSSIBLE IN A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS? AND WE TRY AND FIND THAT APPROPRIATE BALANCE BETWEEN EARNED AND CONTRIBUTED. 
          IN SOME COMMUNITIES, BUILDINGS, UH, COVER, UH, 20% OF THEIR BUDGET WITH EARNED REVENUE AND 80% EARNED INCOME. 
          AND IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IT CAN BE THE OPPOSITE. 
          IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH OF THE ACTIVITY IS MORE COMMERCIALLY ORIENTED PRESENTING. 
          IT DEPENDS HOW MANY NON-PROFIT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS YOU'RE SUPPORTING, WHICH MEANS DISCOUNTED RENTAL RATES. 
          AND IT DEPENDS HOW AGGRESSIVELY YOU WANT TO STAFF AND PROGRAM THE BUILDING. 
          SOME BUILDINGS HAVE VERY SMALL STAFF THAT ESSENTIALLY ARE THERE TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND HELP PEOPLE COME IN AND USE IT. 
          OTHER BUILDINGS ARE MUCH MORE HEAVILY STAFFED TO ESSENTIALLY DRIVE THE DEVELOPMENT OF PROGRAMS AND ARE PROACTIVELY SENDING WORK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THE INTENTION IN BUILDING THIS BUDGET IS TO CREATE A FINANCIAL MODEL THAT YOU CAN USE MOVING FORWARD AS THIS PROJECT DEVELOPS. 
          SO I'M DELIVERING TO YOU AN MICROSOFT EXCEL VERSION OF THIS AND TEACHING ROBERT AND OTHERS HOW TO USE IT SO THAT AS THE PROJECT ADVANCES, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TEST THESE VARIOUS IDEAS, OPTIONS, AND SCENARIOS AS YOU MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, I WON'T DWELL ON ON THESE TWO SMALL PRINT SLIDES, BUT SO THIS, THESE ARE FIVE YEAR SUMMARIES OF THE PROFORMAS. 
          THIS, FOR THE LARGE CONCEPT, ALWAYS FOR THESE BUILDINGS, YOU HAVE TO SPEND OPERATING MONEY THE YEAR BEFORE THE BUILDING OPENS. 
          YOU'VE GOT A HIGHER STAFF BEFORE THE BUILDING STARTS. 
          THEN YEAR ONE IS THE HONEYMOON. 
          YEAR TWO IS OFTEN A LITTLE BIT OF A HANGOVER ONCE THINGS SORT OF SETTLE DOWN A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND YEAR THREE IS REALLY THE BASE YEAR OF 
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OPERATIONS WHEN THINGS STABILIZE. 
          SO I'VE DONE A FIVE YEAR VERSION, BOTH FOR THE LARGE CONCEPT AND THEN FOR THE SMALL CONCEPT. 
          UM, AND THEN I'M GONNA STOP ON THIS SLIDE AND SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME BECAUSE THIS COMPARES THE THIRD YEAR BUDGET FOR THE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. 
          SO THE, THE 700 SEAT CONCEPT, YOU SEE THE SEATING CAPACITIES THERE. 
          SO WE'VE GOT 700 SEATS IN OUR MAIN THEATER AND OUR 91,000 GROSS SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, AND THEN OUR 64,000 GROSS IN THE 500 SEAT CONCEPT. 
          SO IN TERMS OF ACTIVITY AND THE LARGER CONCEPT, YOU'VE GOT A FEWER USE OF DAYS IN THE MAIN THEATER. 
          UM, BUT YOU'VE GOT THE SECOND THEATER GOING 153 DAYS A YEAR, PLUS THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOMS IN THE CLASSROOMS. SO IN THE SMALLER VERSION, WE SORT OF PUSH MORE ACTIVITY UP INTO THE MAIN THEATER AND DOWN INTO THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM. 
          UM, OVERALL, THE, THE ANNUAL ATTENDANCE IS 60,000, 61,000 IN THE LARGER VERSION, UH, BUT ONLY 52,000, ONLY 8,000 LESS IN THE SLIGHTLY SMALLER VERSION. 
          UM, ON THE, ON THE BUDGET SIDE, EARNED REVENUE IS HIGHER FOR THE LARGER CONCEPT, MORE TICKET SALES, SLIGHTLY HIGHER RENTAL INCOME, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, STAFFING IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER AND OCCUPANCY COSTS ARE HIGHER. 
          SO WE'VE LEFT THE CONTRIBUTED INCOME COMPONENT, THAT COMBINATION OF INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS, CORPORATE CONTRIBUTIONS, GOVERNMENT GRANTS IN THIS CASE POTENTIALLY FROM THE STATE FOUNDATION GRANTS, UH, AT 500,000. 
          AND WE'VE LEFT THAT THE SAME FOR THE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS JUST TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          AND IN THAT CASE, THEN THE OPERATING DEFICIT OR THAT ADDITIONAL ANNUAL FUNDING REQUIREMENT FOR THE 700 THEATER IS ABOUT 862,000 FOR THE REDUCED CONCEPT, THAT ADDITIONAL ANNUAL FUNDING REQUIREMENT, UH, WOULD BE 283,000. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING TO SAY IS THAT IN THE LARGER SCENARIO, WE'RE COVERING 62% OF OPERATING EXPENSES WITH EARNED REVENUE. 
          AND IN THE SMALLER SCENARIO, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT. 
          IT'S 68% OF OPERATING EXPENSES WITH EARNED REVENUE. 
          SO THE MOST IMPORTANT, UH, UH, UH, CHALLENGE IS REALLY THINKING ABOUT THAT ANNUAL CONTRIBUTED INCOME. 
          AND AS I SAID, IN THAT THIRD YEAR, IT'S ABOUT 500,000. 
          IT DOESN'T REALLY, IT JUST CHANGES WITH SORT OF ESCALATION A LITTLE BIT OVER THOSE FIRST FIVE YEARS. 
          BUT THE DECISION FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE IS, UH, IS IT REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT WE CAN RAISE $500,000 A YEAR IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOT INCLUDING THE CITY OF DUBLIN CONTRIBUTION OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE FROM INDIVIDUALS, CORPORATIONS, OTHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND FOUNDATIONS TO SUSTAIN A BUILDING. 
          SO WE'VE BENCHMARKED THIS BUILDING AGAINST OTHER PROJECTS, UH, AROUND THE COUNTRY AND INCLUDING SOME OTHER BUILDINGS IN OHIO, AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY FUNDRAISE AND WE FEEL, GIVEN OUR EXPERIENCE THAT THIS IS A REASONABLE TARGET FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. 
          SO THE NEXT PIECE OF WORK WAS ESTIMATING THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE PROJECT. 
          AND THIS WE DO BY BUYING MULTIPLIERS FROM THE BUREAU OF LABOR, UH, AND THE, I'M SORRY, THE, THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, AND ALSO COLLECT INFORMATION FROM AMERICANS FOR THE ARTS BECAUSE THESE BUILDINGS HAVE VERY SIGNIFICANT ONGOING ECONOMIC IMPACTS. 
          THERE IS THE IMPACT OF THIS BUILDING, SPENDING MONEY IN YOUR COMMUNITY EVERY DAY, BUT THEN THERE'S THE IMPACT OF AUDIENCES COMING TO YOUR COMMUNITY, SPENDING MONEY, EATING OUT, STAYING OVER BABYSITTERS, WHATEVER THAT, AND THAT ADDS UP TO SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC IMPACT BEYOND WHAT PEOPLE SPEND ON THE TICKET PRICE. 
          SO WE'VE DONE THE SAME EXERCISE BOTH FOR THE 700 SEAT CONCEPT AND THE 500 SEAT CONCEPT. 
          THE TOTAL ANNUAL OPERATING IMPACTS IS SORT OF THE THIRD BOX DOWN FROM THE TOP ON BOTH. 
          AND WHAT THAT'S SAYING IS THE COMBINATION OF THE OPERATING ENTITY PLUS THE IMPACT OF AUDIENCES FOR THE LARGER CONCEPT IS $3.9 MILLION OF NEW SALES, UH, IN FRANKLIN COUNTY. 
          UH, $950,000 IN NEW EARNINGS, AND 24 NEW JOBS CREATED IN ADDITION TO THE PEOPLE WORKING IN THE CENTER. 
          THAT THAT IS, THE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY DRIVES NEW JOB CREATION. 
          AND THEN THAT DROPS BY ESSENTIALLY A MILLION DOLLARS IN OUR SMALLER VERSION. 
          SO 2.9 MILLION IN NEW SALES, 700,000 IN EARNINGS AND 18 NEW JOBS. 
          UM, THE LIMITATION OF THIS ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS I CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO IT DOWN TO THE CITY LEVEL. 
          WE CAN ONLY GET IT DOWN TO THE COUNTY LEVEL BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THE, THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC ANALYSIS GATHERS THESE MULTIPLIERS. 
          SO THESE ARE COUNTY 
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LEVEL ECONOMIC IMPACT MULTIPLIERS. 
          UM, ANOTHER PIECE OF WORK THAT WE DID WAS TO HELP YOU START TO THINK ABOUT SITES. 
          IT'S TOO EARLY TO GO OUT AND BUY A SITE OR CHOOSE A SITE OR OPTION A SITE. 
          IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE BEFORE ALL THE OTHER PIECES COME TOGETHER. 
          SO WE FELT IT WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL IF WE DID SOME WORK HELPING YOU THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF SITES AND WHICH TYPES OF SITES MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS IN YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT THE IDEA OF A DOWNTOWN LOCATION. 
          WE LOOKED AT THE IDEA OF A SITE ON A CIVIC CAMPUS, LIKE BEING LOCATED, CO-LOCATED WITH CITY HALL. 
          AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE IDEA OF A CORPORATE CAMPUS BEING LOCATED WITH EITHER NEW OR REDEVELOPED, UH, CORPORATE ENTITIES. 
          AND WE DID RESEARCH ON OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE DONE SIMILAR PROJECTS. 
          SO FOR THE DOWNTOWN LOCATION, UH, MANY CITIES BUILD ARTS FACILITIES IN DOWNTOWNS, EITHER FOR REVITALIZATION PURPOSES OR TO DRIVE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW DOWNTOWN. 
          THE SANDLER CENTER, WHICH IS A PROJECT WE WORKED ON YEARS AGO IN VIRGINIA BEACH, WAS DESIGNED TO CREATE A NEW CENTER TO THAT CITY, WHICH HAD NO CIVIC, HAD NO SORT OF CORPORATE DOWNTOWN HOLE BEFORE. 
          UH, AND I BELIEVE YOU WENT TO TOUR IN CARMEL, AND YOU SAW THE BOOTH TARKENTON CENTER. 
          SO YOU SAW THAT BUILDING AND THE IMPACT THAT IT'S HAD ON DOWNTOWN CARMEL. 
          SO, UM, THEY'RE GOOD TO DO WHEN THEY DRIVE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY NEARBY. 
          UM, THERE ARE GOOD DESTINATIONS FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. 
          THE DOWNSIDE GENERALLY RELATES TO ACCESS AND PARKING. 
          UH, LOTS OF ARTS FACILITIES ARE ALSO BUILT ON CIVIC CAMPUSES, UH, WHERE YOU'RE WANTING TO SHOWCASE THE ASSETS OF THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER, A CITY HALL, A LIBRARY, AN ART CENTER, MUSEUMS, UM, THEY GENERALLY HAVE, UH, BETTER ACCESS, BETTER ACCESS AND BETTER PARKING, AND THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO LARGE EVENTS AND FESTIVALS. 
          UM, THE, THE DOWNSIDE IS OFTEN THE LACK OF OTHER SORT OF EVENING EVENTS AND AMENITIES AROUND THEM NEARBY. 
          SO THE MCCOY CENTER NEARBY, I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN TO IN NEW ALBANY. 
          AND I ALSO THINK YOU, YOU WENT TO SEE THE, UH, WILLIAMSON, UH, CENTER IN FRANKLIN, TENNESSEE ON ONE OF YOUR TOURS. 
          SO I, I THINK WE DID THE ORIGINAL FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THAT ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S TURNED OUT VERY WELL. 
          UH, AND THEN FINALLY, UH, CORPORATE LOCATIONS. 
          SO WE ARE SEEING MORE OF THESE NOW WHERE, UH, THERE ARE MAJOR NEW CORPORATE PARKS AND THEY'RE WANTING TO ADD AMENITIES THAT SORT OF ADD VIBRANCY AND VITALITY AND CREATE KIND OF AFTER HOURS ACTIVITIES FOR WORKERS. 
          UM, THE DOWNSIDE, AGAIN, IS THE LACK OF OTHER EVENING ACTIVITIES AND AMENITIES AROUND THEM. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT NOW IN OSCEOLA COUNTY, FLORIDA, UH, WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP A 300 ACRE BIOTECH INTERNATIONAL HUB AND WANTING TO PUT ARTS FACILITIES IN THE MIDDLE OF IT TO CREATE SORT OF VITALITY AND EVENING ACTIVITY. 
          UH, THAT ALSO REINFORCES THE IDEA INNOVATION AND CREATIVITY AROUND IT. 
          SO IN YOUR COMMUNITY, YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO ANY ONE OF THOSE THREE TYPES, WHETHER IT'S A DOWNTOWN PROJECT, A CIVIC PROJECT, OR A CORPORATE CAMPUS. 
          AND WE THINK THAT THERE ARE GOOD REASONS TO APPROACH EACH OF THOSE OPTIONS, AS IN WHEN IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO START LOOKING AT SITES. 
          SO THE FINAL PIECE OF WORK WE DID WAS TO HELP YOU THINK ABOUT A CRITICAL PATH PLAN TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. 
          AND THAT REQUIRES YOU TO MOVE DOWN THREE PARALLEL TRACKS TOGETHER. 
          THE FIRST ONE IN THE, AND THE NEXT WORK IS REALLY AROUND FUNDRAISING, UH, FORMING SOME KIND OF A FINANCE COMMITTEE, UH, WITHIN THE CITY OR WORKING WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO DO THAT, EMBARKING UPON A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN STUDY TO TEST FUNDRAISING FEASIBILITY, AND THEN EMBARKING UPON A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN AND LOOKING AT NAMING RIGHTS. 
          NOW, YOU MIGHT DECIDE YOU FEEL CONFIDENT ENOUGH THAT THE FUNDING IS OUT THERE, THAT YOU CAN GO RIGHT INTO A CAMPAIGN. 
          UH, MORE OF OUR CLIENTS TEND TO WANNA DO A FUNDRAISING FEASIBILITY BEFORE LAUNCHING INTO THAT CAMPAIGN. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'VE SORT OF STRETCHED IT OUT, UH, UH, OVER THAT, UH, PERIOD. 
          THE SECOND TRACK IS PLANNING, DESIGN, AND CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO WHEN YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU'RE FEELING CONFIDENT ENOUGH THAT THERE IS A FINANCING PLAN COMING TOGETHER FOR THE PROJECT, YOU ENGAGE A DESIGN TEAM, UM, YOU PROBABLY NEED FAIRLY SOON TO GET A BETTER HANDLE ON COSTS. 
          THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN THIS STUDY ARE RANGES AND JUST GIVEN THE WAY THE WORLD IS WORKING, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO GET MORE PRECISE NUMBERS, UH, FAIRLY SOON. 
          THEN YOU WILL EMBARK ON, UH, FULL PLANNING AND DESIGN, SCHEMATIC DESIGN, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, CONTRACTING, 
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CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IN THIS CASE TAKES ABOUT A YEAR. 
          AND THEN COMMISSIONING. 
          UH, AND IN THAT SCENARIO, STARTING REALLY, UH, STARTING YOUR PHYSICAL PLANNING IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF THIS FIRST YEAR, YOU, THE BUILDING THEN OPENS AT THE END OF FOUR YEARS. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, THE THIRD TRACK IS PLANNING FOR OPERATIONS. 
          SO THAT MEANS FORMING AN OPERATIONS COMMITTEE, UH, SELECTING AN OPERATING MODEL, AND THEN WORKING ON THESE VARIOUS ASPECTS OF OPERATING POLICY AND PLANNING, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU HAVE TO BE, HAVE STAFF IN PLACE, STAFF TRAINED USERS READY, UH, AND A LOT OF WORK DONE IN ORDER TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL OPENING NIGHT. 
          UH, AND WITH THAT, UH, I'LL SUMMARIZE BY SAYING THE FIRST HALF OF OUR WORK SUGGESTED AS WE DID IN 2015 WHEN WE FIRST WORKED HERE, THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO ADD NEW, UH, LIVE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT FACILITIES IN DUBLIN. 
          THE MARKET IS STRONG. 
          THERE IS USER DEMAND, THERE ARE GAPS IN THE MARKET. 
          THERE IS A CASE THAT CAN BE MADE FOR 700 SEATS PLUS THESE OTHER FACILITIES. 
          BUT, UH, IF PUSH COMES TO SHOVE AND RESOURCES ARE SCARCE, WE THINK THERE'S A VERSION OF THIS THAT SCALES THAT MAIN BUILDING DOWN TO 500 SEATS AND SQUEEZES A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          IT ALLOWS YOU TO ACHIEVE MOST OF THE THINGS WE THINK THE COMMUNITY WANTS, UM, UH, AT A REASONABLE COST. 
          UM, WE ALSO WOULD STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF DESIGNING AN OPERATING MODEL THAT CAN SUSTAIN OPERATIONS WITH A REASONABLE BALANCE OF EARNED AND CONTRIBUTED INCOME. 
          AND THEN THE KEY THING WILL, OF COURSE, BEING IDENTIFYING BOTH THE ONE TIME AND THE ONGOING FUNDING TO SUSTAIN THESE FACILITIES IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS PROJECT A REALITY. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          I THINK ROBERT, THANK YOU DUNCAN. 
          WE HAVE SEVERAL DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, AND OF COURSE DUNCAN IS HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT, UH, YOU MAY HAVE. 
          SO, UM, CERTAINLY WE ARE, ARE LOOKING, UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, FOR DIRECTION, UH, REGARDING ANY OF THE FACILITY PLANNING, INCLUDING THE CAPITAL COST ESTIMATE, UM, FOR BOTH THE 700 AND 500 C CONCEPTS. 
          IF THERE'S ANY FEEDBACK OR QUESTIONS, UH, WE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE AT THIS TIME. 
          HAVE SOME FEEDBACK ON FACILITY PLANNING, , THEY'RE FIGHTING OVER, WHO'S GONNA ASK FIRST? UM, ANDY, DO YOU, SO I'M GONNA TRY NOT TO RAMBLE. 
          UM, SIZE-WISE, I CAN MAKE A CASE FOR, FOR EITHER. 
          UM, THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER AT KAUFMAN HIGH SCHOOL WAS ALREADY OVER 700 SEATS. 
          UM, A RESIDENT THAT I SPOKE WITH SAID THE MCCOY CENTER IN NEW ALBANY IS 7 86. 
          WE'RE BETTER THAN NEW ALBANY, SO WE SHOULD GO FOR 700. 
          UM, THE, BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, A LOT OF THE GROUPS THAT WE INTERVIEWED THAT USE THOSE SCHOOL FACILITIES DON'T NEED 700 SEATS. 
          THEY NEED 400 TO 500. 
          UM, THAT SAID, UM, IS IT MORE PROFITABLE TO HAVE THE ABBEY THEATER HAVE A PERFORMANCE, 10 OR 15 NIGHTS, 200 PEOPLE A POP, OR FOUR NIGHTS AT 500 OR 700 A POP? I WOULD ARGUE IT'S MORE PROFITABLE TO DO FEWER PERFORMANCES, BUT HAVE A HIGHER CRITICAL MASS. 
          UM, I VIEW, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE QUESTION IS WHAT CAN WE PAY FOR? UM, YOU KNOW, IF I ASK FOLKS, SHOULD WE HAVE A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER? OF COURSE WE SHOULD. 
          DO YOU WANT A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER? YES, I WANT A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, BUT HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR IT? UM, I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSOLIDATE. 
          THERE WAS A NUMBER THROWN OUT THAT WE NEED TO RAISE $500,000 A YEAR IN OUR COMMUNITY TO, TO OPERATE THIS THING. 
          AND IS THAT POSSIBLE? I WOULD THINK IT IS. 
          UM, 500 RAISED IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM. 
          BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WE GIVE OVER $800,000 A YEAR TO THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL. 
          AND THIS IS NOT A THEATER. 
          IT'S NOT THE, THE ABBEY THEATER OR THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL. 
          IT'S A CULTURAL ARTS CENTER THAT BRINGS BOTH OF THOSE TOGETHER. 
          AND THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES IN TO REHEARSE FOR A PERFORMANCE ORMANS OR HAVE HAVE A, A PLAY OR A BROADWAY SHOW. 
          THEY'RE ALSO BENEFITING FROM THE ART THAT THE ARTS COUNCIL HAS ON DISPLAY. 
          UM, THERE ARE NINE OFFICES IN 
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EITHER OF THESE FACILITIES, I THINK, THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD FROM ATCH EARLIER TODAY, THE OFFICE ENVIRONMENT IS DIFFERENT TODAY THAN IT WAS. 
          SO NINE OFFICES MAY LOOK, THERE MAY BE AN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OPEN SPACES WHERE THE FOLKS FROM THE ARTS COUNCIL CAN COLLABORATE WITH OTHERS. 
          UM, AGAIN, I COULD GO ON AND ON, BUT, UM, IT APPEARED THAT THE, THE FACILITY WOULD GENERATE AROUND $1.6 MILLION, THE, THE SMALLER ONE $1.6 MILLION. 
          UM, IN YEAR TWO OR THREE, YOU ADD 800,000 TO THAT, AND WE'VE GOT 2.4 MILLION, WHICH ESSENTIALLY COVERS IT. 
          UM, BUT I DO HAVE FAITH THAT THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES IN DUBLIN CAN COME UP WITH MORE THAN $500,000 A YEAR. 
          I'M WILLING TO PUT MY FOOT FORWARD AND, AND OFFER SEED MONEY TO DO THAT AND, AND LEAD BY EXAMPLE. 
          UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THE REC CENTER IS, IT'S AN AMENITY. 
          IT'S NOT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL. 
          THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IS BOTH, UM, THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT A PERFORMING ARTS FACILITY CAN BRING TO THE COMMUNITY IS VERY WIDE AND BROAD. 
          UM, AND YET WE SUBSIDIZE THE REC CENTER 50%, UM, FOR SOMETHING THAT'S USED BY, I DON'T KNOW, 20 OR 30% OF OUR RESIDENTS. 
          I THINK THE ARGUMENT BACK IN 2015 AGAINST A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER WAS THERE JUST WASN'T THAT MUCH OF A DEMAND, UM, OR A PERCEIVED DEMAND. 
          AND, UM, IT SEEMED LIKE RAISING $30 MILLION WAS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE, PER THE, UM, PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN, WE, IF YOU ADDED UP THE, THE PERCENTAGES OF FOLKS THAT WERE INTERESTED IN THE PERFORMING ARTS, ART CAMPS, UM, THE VISUAL ARTS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, I THINK THE NUMBER WAS 25 TO 30%. 
          SO IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S A, IT'S A MULTI-PURPOSE FACILITY. 
          UM, WITH FLEXIBLE PERFORMANCE SPACES, I, I HAVE, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME ANSWERING THE 500 OR 700. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU SET A GOAL, YOU COULD SET A GOAL THAT YOU WANT A BOAT AND YOU COULD LEAVE IT AT THAT. 
          I JUST KNOW I WANT A BOAT. 
          AND YOU COULD START SAVING MONEY WITH THE IDEA THAT AT SOME POINT YOU'D HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY A BOAT, OR YOU COULD SET THE GOAL TO BUY A FERRETTI LUXURY YACHT AND HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT UP ON YOUR WALL, LOOK AT IT EVERY DAY, AND EVERYTHING YOU DO IS DRIVING TOWARDS REACHING THAT GOAL. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST WE SHOOT FOR THE MOON AND AIM FOR THE LARGER ONE. 
          AND THE CRITICAL, UM, THE CRITICAL, UM, PATH PLAN, I'M GOOD WITH. 
          YOU'RE THE CONSULTANT. 
          THIS ISN'T YOUR FIRST RODEO. 
          THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK FOR IS A, IS A LONGER CAPITAL CAMPAIGN PERIOD, UM, 12 MONTHS TO RAISE BY THE TIME WE BUILD THIS THING, $95 MILLION. 
          UM, FOR THE SMALLER ONE, THE LARGER ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE 15, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT LONGER RUNWAY, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE START NOW AND FORM A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANKS, ANDY. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? I HAD A QUESTION, KATHY. 
          UM, UM, I, I AGREE THAT YOU, YOU ASKED PEOPLE IF THEY WANT IT. 
          I THINK PEOPLE WOULD REALLY, REALLY ENJOY IT. 
          AND ANDY ASKED THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION AND THE, OF COURSE, ABOUT FUNDING. 
          SO I HAD A QUESTION. 
          IN YOUR MODEL, THE TWO LARGEST REVENUE GENERATING UNDER THE EARNED WERE RENTAL INCOME AND THEATER USE. 
          SO WHO DO YOU SEE AS THE CUSTOMERS FOR THE RENTAL INCOME AND THE THEATER USE? 'CAUSE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE PERFORMANCE I UNDERSTOOD, SORT OF, I THINK I DO. 
          MAYBE YOU COULD EXPLAIN THEM THE TOP THREE, SORT OF THE TICKET SALES. 
          YEAH, MAYBE I COULD JUST UNDERSTAND. 
          GOOD. 
          AND DID YOU ASK FOLKS WOULD THEY BE WILLING TO PAY SO THAT, THAT'S, IF YOU COULD HELP EXPLAIN THAT, THAT'D BE USEFUL. 
          'CAUSE THOSE ARE REALLY SORT OF THE BIGGEST NUMBERS ON THERE. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          UH, GREAT QUESTION. 
          UM, SO TICKET SALES ARE, WHEN THE BUILDING ITSELF BOOKS A TOURING ARTIST, THAT MEANS THE BUILDING IS AT RISK. 
          YOU PAY THE ARTIST FEE. 
          YOU, YOU 
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ADVERTISE AND MARKET THE EVENT, BUT YOU COLLECT THE TICKET SALES AND YOU HOPE THAT THE TICKET SALES THAT YOU COLLECT EXCEED THE, UH, PROGRAMMING COSTS THAT GO OUT FOR RENTALS. 
          IT'S DIFFERENT. 
          ALL YOU DO IS YOU, YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE PAYING, CHARGING SOMEBODY RENT TO COME IN AND YOU CHARGE THEM A BASE RENT JUST TO COME IN THE ROOM, AND THEN YOU CHARGE THEM THOSE USER FEES IN ADDITION. 
          SO THE USE OF YOUR TECHNICAL LABOR, USE OF YOUR TICKETING OFFICE, USE OF HOUSE USHERS, USE OF EXTRA EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WOULD RENT. 
          SO THE RENTAL IS KIND OF THE BASE RENT, AND THEN THE USER FEES ARE THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CHARGE THEM. 
          SO IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FELT CONFIDENT IN THOSE NUMBERS, WHEN WE HAD THAT SESSION HERE IN APRIL, WE SAID, HERE'S ROUGHLY WHERE WE START IN TALKING ABOUT RENT, IT'S PROBABLY THREE BUCKS A SEAT FOR A BASE RENT FOR A NONPROFIT USER. 
          AND THAT TRANSLATES INTO, IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, 2100 BUCKS A DAY FOR, UH, A, A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION AS A RENTER. 
          SO WE TESTED THOSE RATES WITH THE LOCAL GROUPS. 
          OF COURSE, THE SCHOOL GROUPS AREN'T USED TO PAYING ANYTHING, BUT THE PROFESSIONAL GROUPS THAT USE OTHER FACILITIES IN THE GREATER COLUMBUS REGION FELT THAT THOSE RENTAL RATES WERE COMPARABLE TO WHAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT LEVEL OF QUALITY. 
          SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE BENCHMARKED THOSE RATES AGAINST OTHER FACILITIES IN THE REGION. 
          SO THE USERS, THE SCHOOLS WERE A BIG LIST OF USERS, SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THOSE NUMBERS. 
          THEY WOULD ASSUME USE FOR FREE BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID HERE. 
          NO, NO. 
          SO NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT USED TO THE IDEA OF PAYING RENT. 
          BUT WE WERE, WE WERE NOT MAKING THEM ANY PROMISES ABOUT FREE RENT. 
          SO WE, THIS WOULD ASSUME THAT THE SCHOOLS WOULD HAVE TO, TO, TO MEET THESE NUMBERS. 
          THE SCHOOLS WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO FIND THE FUNDS TO RIGHT TO PAY THESE. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE MATH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT, IT'S, IT'S TRICKY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOLS, THEY, THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS SUPPORTING THEIR OWN PROGRAMS WITH THE FACILITIES THAT THEY'VE GOT. 
          AND IT ISN'T REALLY THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S JOB TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM FOR THEM. 
          UH, AND THEY DO NOT HAVE SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES TO COME AND PAY A LOT OF RENT IN THESE OTHER FACILITIES. 
          SO WE MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT SOME SCHOOL UTILIZATION, BUT WE DIDN'T FACTOR IN ALL OF THE DEMAND THAT THEY REPRESENT BECAUSE THEY'VE GOTTA SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS THEMSELVES. 
          SO WHO WOULD BE THE BIG CUSTOMERS, JUST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WHO'S GOING TO GENERATE THE MILLION DOLLARS IN RENTAL AND USE FEES? SO THERE'S A, THERE'S ABOUT 15 ORGANIZATIONS. 
          UH, WHERE DID I HAVE THAT WHILE, WHILE HE'S PULLING THAT UP? UM, IN, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, IT'S SIMILAR I THINK TO THE SPORTS FIELDS CONCEPT AND GRAND PARK. 
          IT'S BUILT REALLY FOR TOURNAMENTS AND GENERATING ECONOMIC VITALITY. 
          HOWEVER, THERE MAY BE A NIGHT A WEEK THAT IS OPEN TO RESIDENTS TO USE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WE TALKED TO WERE AFFILIATED WITH THE SCHOOLS OR WERE PERFORMING IN THE SCHOOLS. 
          THEY WEREN'T SCHOOL GROUPS, BUT THEY WERE USING THE SCHOOLS. 
          AND IT WAS REALLY MORE, I THINK FOR ME, HEARING WHAT THOSE GROUPS WANTED OR NEEDED, WHY THEY HAD TO PERFORM IN A SCHOOL, UM, AS OPPOSED TO A MORE PUBLIC FORUM. 
          UM, IF YOU TOTAL UP THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT THOSE GROUPS COULD USE, IT'S 450 DAYS. 
          SO CLEARLY YOU HAVE TO PARSE IT OUT AND PAY THE BILLS FIRST. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE REC CENTER, IT'S AN AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTS AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE WAS ABOUT A, A DOZEN A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, UH, FROM DUBLIN AND THE AREA THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIAL USERS THAT WERE NOT SCHOOLS. 
          SO THAT, THAT BECAME SORT OF OUR CORE GROUP OF RESIDENT USERS. 
          AND I WOULD SAY TOO, ONE OF THE IMPORTANT PARTICIPANTS IN THE SCHEDULING CHARETTE WAS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM CLASS ACTS ENTERTAINMENT, WHICH IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HELPS US BOOK SOME OF OUR, UH, LARGE AND, AND MORE WELL-KNOWN BANDS FOR INDEPENDENCE DAY AND, AND OTHER, UM, EVENTS LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO HIS FEEDBACK WAS, WAS VERY HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING THE BROADER MARKET IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL USERS AT DIFFERENT LEVELS, UH, WHETHER IT'S 500, 700, BUT IN HELPING UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ATTRACT IN TERMS OF ACTS FROM THAT, THAT THAT 
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WOULD BE KNOWN. 
          YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. 
          I JUST LOOK AT THIS LIST AND WONDER WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO PAY THAT THAT ISN'T ALREADY ASKED. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION. 
          AND I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ASSUMPTIONS, BECAUSE IT COMES BACK TO YOUR POINT, ANDY, COULD WE RAISE A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE COMMUNITY? WHAT IF IT HAD TO BE A MILLION IN THE COMMUNITY? SO THAT'S, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I, I THINK, UM, MAYBE FOR THOSE OF US WHO'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE, IT, IT FEELS VERY SIMILAR. 
          I THINK TO THE LAST ONE, THERE'S VERY CLEARLY A DESIRE, UM, FOR A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING HOW THE PRO FORMA IS IMPACTED IF WE DO SOME OF WHAT ANDY WAS TALKING ABOUT AND THINK THROUGH WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL TO BE THE, UH, THE NONPROFIT THAT WOULD RUN IT. 
          UM, I, I THINK THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL, UM, ECONOMIES OF SCALE THAT YOU COULD GAIN FROM SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ONE WHO'S FABULOUS, RIGHT? THEY HAVE A BOARD. 
          WHAT, WHAT COULD THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK THE CITY WANTS TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OF ACTUALLY RUNNING THE THING. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, WHILE YES, IT IS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S ALSO, AS WE'VE STATED, A A BROADER, BROADER, LARGER REGIONAL IMPACT. 
          AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING AND HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT FUNDING, SO TO SPEAK, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATIONS OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD TAKE. 
          UH, SO I WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED IN EXPLORING THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME OTHER POTENTIAL FINANCIAL, UM, MECHANISMS THAT WE COULD USE. 
          UH, SO FOR ME, THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE MEAT OF THIS DISCUSSION SITS, BECAUSE I THINK IT COULD REALLY FURTHER OFFSET THE, THE COST RELATIVE TO THE PERFORMER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, BUT WHICH IN MY MIND IS GONNA MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE GONNA BE SUPPORTING THIS. 
          SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT I'M STRUGGLING TO SAY TODAY, 500 FOR SURE, OR 700 FOR SURE. 
          UM, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT I HAVE ALL THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT I WOULD NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          I AM VERY MUCH FOR EXPLORING SOME FURTHER DETAILS AS TO HOW WE WOULD SET UP THE OPERATIONS RELATIVE TO THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU COULD START TO MAKE UP A BIT OF THAT GAP AND START TO MAKE THIS FEEL QUITE A BIT MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I REALLY LOVE THE CONCEPT OF HAVING, IT'S, IT'S NOT A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. 
          I THINK, AS ANDY HAD SAID, IT'S REALLY ABOUT A CULTURAL ART CENTER. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT'S HOW WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY ASPECTS OF IT THAT COULD OCCUR RELATIVE TO HOW WE DESIGN THE THING. 
          UM, AND, AND HONESTLY, YOU COULD DO A 500 SEAT, AND FRANKLY, IF YOU WANTED TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT IS SCALABLE FOR LATER ON, IF YOU'RE REAL SMART AND REAL SAVVY, I THINK YOU COULD, UH, SO, AND THAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN TALKED ABOUT. 
          UM, SO YEAH, I, I AM INTERESTED IN SOME FURTHER EXPLORATION. 
          I'M NOT SURE OF QUITE ALL THE INFORMATION FOR ME TO BE LIKE, YEP, LET'S, LET'S HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. 
          BUT I, I THINK WE'RE DEFINITELY GETTING CLOSER THAN WHERE WE WERE BEFORE. 
          AND I KNOW THIS WAS A LOT OF WORK, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME AND EFFORT, AND I KNOW THAT DAVID HAS BEEN VERY INVOLVED WITH IT AS WELL. 
          UM, AND, AND HE'S A PHENOMENAL COMMUNITY MEMBER. 
          UM, AND, AND SO I THINK FOR ME, THAT'S WHERE I'M GONNA HAVE SOME, SOME REAL INTEREST IN, LET'S GET THAT GAP NUMBER DOWN BECAUSE IT'S, AND, AND I, AND I DON'T WANNA DO IT IN A WAY WHERE THE CITY IS ALWAYS HAVING TO FOOT THAT BELT OR RUN THE THING. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MISTAKE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH IT. 
          UM, I'LL SAY THAT YES, EVERYONE WOULD WANT THIS IF WE HAD IT. 
          UM, AND I THINK THE REPORT SAYS, YES, THERE'S DEMAND. 
          I JUST DON'T FEEL THE CITY SHOULD BE BUILDING AND OPERATING THIS. 
          I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING TO, OR FUNDRAISING FOR IT, FOR THAT MATTER. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THIS AND OUR STAFF SHOULD USE IT, NOT DON'T LIMIT IT TO THE ARTS COUNCIL OR WHOEVER. 
          JUST OPEN IT UP. 
          LIKE WHAT NONPROFIT OR OR FOR-PROFIT COMPANY WANTS TO STEP FORWARD AND TAKE THIS WONDERFUL IDEA THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AS WE ENVISION THE REDEVELOPMENT OF METRO CENTER AND, AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE, AND AS DEVELOPERS START APPROACHING US OF WHO WANTS TO DO WHAT, WHERE IN IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, HEY, LOOK AT ALL OF THIS WORK WE'VE PUT IN, LOOK AT ALL THESE NUMBERS. 
          UH, I'M JUST NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. 
          I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE SPENDING THIS MONEY ON YET ANOTHER AMENITY WHEN WE'RE NICKEL AND DIMMING OUR C I P AND CUTTING OUT SEWER SERVICES TO PEOPLE. 
          YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST DON'T THINK, UM, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO YEAH, HAVE THIS HUGE GAP OF TAKING ON YET ANOTHER EXPENSE WHERE WE'RE GONNA PAY 40, 50% OF SOMETHING FOR 
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YEARS AND YEARS TO COME. 
          SO, AGAIN, GREAT IDEA. 
          I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE HANDED OFF TO SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I'M INTERESTED IN FURTHER EXPLORATION OF THIS IDEA, ACTUALLY, AND, AND THE IDEA OF, UM, THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL. 
          I'D LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM, UM, THE, THE DOCTOR AND THE BOARD OVER THERE ON, YOU KNOW, THEIR INVOLVEMENT, WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO RELATED TO THIS, AND, UH, HOW THEY VISION THIS. 
          I REALLY DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, I HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL WOULD RUN THIS AND MANAGE THIS. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE PROBABLY A BIG PART OF THIS. 
          SO, I, YOU KNOW, RESERVATION WISE, I'M, YOU KNOW, I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THE MONEY THAT'S GONNA TAKE TO BUILD IT AND, UH, ALL THE MONEY'S GONNA TAKE TO MAINTAIN IT. 
          BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE ARTS COUNCIL ON HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS AND HOW THEY'D LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN IT. 
          THANK YOU, CHRIS. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS LIST OF THE FOLKS THAT WE TALKED TO ABOUT IF THEY WANTED THIS TYPE OF FACILITY OR IF THEY HAD NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF THEM CAN BE PAYING USERS. 
          UM, SO THAT IS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING TO ME. 
          UM, IF YOU GAVE THEM HALF OF THE NIGHTS THAT THEY WANT, YOU ARE AT TWO HUN. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU CUT EVERYBODY'S NUMBER IN HALF, UM, YOU'RE AT TWO 30 SOMETHING. 
          UM, SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 120 HUN OR SO, 130 NIGHTS LEFT IN THE YEAR TO MAKE UP, UM, THE BALANCE OF THAT REVENUE. 
          SO I, I, I'M OPEN TO HAVING A, UM, FUNDRAISING FEASIBILITY STUDY. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN SHOULD GO OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY OUR CORPORATE RESIDENTS, AND ASK THEM FOR MONEY. 
          I THINK THAT SHOULD PROBABLY HAPPEN FROM A SEPARATE BODY, UH, BE IT THE ARTS COUNCIL OR, OR SOMEONE, WHOEVER WE WOULD DEEM WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO GO OUT AND ASK OUR RESIDENTS FOR MONEY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT, I THINK OF WHEN OHIO HEALTH BUILT DUBLIN METHODIST, RIGHT? THEY HAD A FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN THAT WAS NOT OHIO HEALTH, RIGHT. 
          THEY HAD CHAMPIONS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WENT AND ASKED, HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, SIMILARLY WITH MOUNT CARMEL, WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW, THEY HAVE CHAMPIONS AND THERE IS A, A, A LIST OF THOSE CHAMPIONS THAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO GO OUT AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. 
          SO EVEN THE NONPROFITS THEMSELVES BEING THE HOSPITAL SYSTEMS AREN'T ASKING FOR THE MONEY. 
          THEIR CHAMPIONS AREN'T ASKING FOR THE MONEY. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO IDENTIFY, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, TO IDENTIFY SOME CHAMPIONS VERY EARLY ON THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO, UM, HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. 
          I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE THREE PARALLEL TRACKS, UM, BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT WE CONTRACT THE DESIGN TEAM, UM, BEFORE WE START OUR CAPITAL CAMPAIGN. 
          AND SO I, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT WE WANT TO EMBARK ON DESIGNING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE FUNDED. 
          AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY AND THE TIMELINE, AND I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT, BUT THERE'S ALSO A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD. 
          SO, UM, I, I WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF, OF REWORK TO THE CRITICAL PATH PLAN, UM, JUST SO THAT WE DON'T MAKE PROMISES WE CAN'T DELIVER ON AND, AND THINGS OF THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IT, I THINK TO TRY TO IDENTIFY THE CHAMPIONS AND TO TRY TO IDENTIFY HOW THIS MONEY WOULD BE RAISED, UM, IS THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT CONVERSA OR, UH, QUESTION FOR US TO ANSWER IN THE VERY NEAR TERM. 
          UM, AND THEN I THINK THAT'S GOING TO ANSWER A LOT OF THE SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE. 
          UH, BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT THAT SHOULD BE THE CITY. 
          NO, NO ENTITY GOES OUT AND, YOU KNOW, MAKES THAT REQUEST ON THEIR OWN BEHALF. 
          THAT NORMALLY IS DONE BY A CHAMPION, UM, COMMITTEE OR SOMEBODY THAT IS NOT APPOINTED BY US, OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK PROBABLY THE ARTS COUNCIL IS IN THE BEST POSITION TO UNDERSTAND THAT FOLKS THAT ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE ARTS AND THE COMMUNITY, AND SO I THINK THEY MIGHT BE A GREAT PLACE TO START IN WITH THAT ENDEAVOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO SECOND THAT, I THINK, I MEAN, EVEN WHEN WE THINK BACK TO THE LIBRARY, WHEN THEY DID THEIR FUND, THEIR CAPITAL CAMPAIGN, THEY HAD A, A COMMITTEE OF CHA CHAMPIONS. 
          I THINK THAT IS A POINT VERY, VERY WELL TAKEN. 
          AND TO, TO CIRCLE BACK TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, I, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE, I THINK THAT THE DESIGN PIECE IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT TOO PREMATURE. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE STILL DON'T, WITHOUT HAVING A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THINGS LOOK LIKE RELATIVE TO DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL OR FUNDRAISING, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO WANNA 
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MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGN. 
          SO I THINK I'D PROBABLY HAVE TO JUDGE THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, BUT I, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE IDEA OF OF, OF IDENTIFYING CHAMPIONS AND, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CITY SHOULD NOT DO. 
          I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          COULD YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE MCCOY CENTER DID THEIR FUNDRAISING AND HOW IT'S FUNDED, OR A LITTLE BIT, COULD YOU SHARE? OH, I GOSH. 
          I HAVE, IF YOU DON'T, SOMEWHERE, I DON'T HAVE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          HANDY. 
          BUT I, I'M JUST LOOKING AT VARIOUS MODELS OF BOTH FUNDRAISING ENDOWMENTS, BECAUSE ANOTHER APPROACH IS TO BUILD THE ENDOWMENT FIRST AND THEN THE PROCESS SECOND. 
          AND I, I JUST THINK ONE OF THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD HAVE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, HOW TO GET FROM HERE TO THERE AND, AND DO YOU DO AN ENDOWMENT FIRST? DO YOU DO A BUILDING FIRST OR SORT OF A SEQUENCE? AND I'M, I WAS CURIOUS, WE POINT TO THEM A LOT AND I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHAT APPROACH. 
          I DO KNOW THE, THEY HAVE USED AT THE MCCOY CENTER, THEY HIRED, UH, THE FELLOW, HE RAN THE OVERTURE CENTER IN MADISON TO COME AND ESSENTIALLY FINISH THE FUNDRAISING, WHICH WAS REALLY DRIVEN, MOSTLY PRIVATE SECTOR, UH, TO GET THAT BUILDING OPEN. 
          AND THERE'RE SIGNIFICANT PRIVATE SECTOR SUPPORT OF OPERATIONS. 
          UM, THE CURRENT, UH, PRACTICE AROUND ENDOWMENTS IS TO ADD A COMPONENT TO THE CAPITAL CAMPAIGN, GENERALLY A MINIMUM OF ABOUT 20% MORE TO START AN ENDOWMENT AND AN OPERATING RESERVE. 
          UH, SOME BUILDINGS WILL GO UP TO 50%, BUT, BUT 20 TO 25% IS THE MORE STANDARD PRACTICE GIVEN THE PARTICIPANTS AND THEIR STRUGGLE, THEY'RE REAL STRUGGLE TO PAY, RIGHT? THEY'RE NONPROFITS, THEY'RE REAL STRUGGLE TO PAY. 
          THEY ADDING A, AN ENDOWMENT COMPONENT TO FUNDRAISING SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE A LOGICAL, I MEAN, IT MAKES THAT NUMBER PRETTY DARN BIG, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOGICAL APPROACH. 
          IF, IF A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THIS FUNDING IS GONNA HAVE TO BE FROM NON TICKET SALES, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD MAKE SOME GOOD SENSE TO ME. 
          AND THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES FROM ENDOWMENT BUILDING TO, TO ACTUALLY ACTUATE, YOU KNOW, ACTUATING THAT ENDOWMENT. 
          BUT YOU, I MEAN, EXPERTS CERTAINLY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          ANDY, ONE MORE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FAILED TO MENTION EARLIER REGARDING OPERATIONS, WHO'S RUNNING IT? I THINK KAPPA IS BEST SUITED FOR THIS, AND IT'S, THERE ARE A, A COUPLE REASONS. 
          NUMBER ONE, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. 
          THEY RUN THEATERS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE CONNECTIONS TO A VERY LARGE DONOR POPULATION. 
          UM, FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO THE PALACE THEATER, THEY'RE GOING TO THE OHIO THEATER, AND THEY'RE GIVING MONEY EVERY YEAR TO KAPPA. 
          UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD OWN THIS EITHER. 
          UM, FOR ME IT'S THE CITY, UM, MORE OR LESS BEING THE CATALYST AND, AND HELPING IT ALONG. 
          I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO FORM A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE, AND TO ME, THAT'S THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP, UM, WITH FOLKS IN OUR, UM, IN OUR CITY THAT ARE CONNECTED AND KNOW PEOPLE. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE, THE, UM, STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND MAYBE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. 
          UM, WHETHER IT'S THE DUBLIN ARTS COUNCIL OR A NEW NONPROFIT THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS THEIR OWN BOARD AND THEIR OWN BODY AND THEIR OWN ABILITY TO GO FUNDRAISING, I AGREE WITH, WITH YOU. 
          UM, IT'S, FOR ME, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE CITY NEEDS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, TO ME, I VIEW IT NOT AS ONLY SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT. 
          UM, PEOPLE WANT SPORTS FIELDS TOO, BUT SPORTS FIELDS ADD TO ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE COMING FROM THE SHORT NORTH TO SEE A SHOW HERE AND EATING IN OUR RESTAURANTS, SPENDING THE NIGHT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S SO MUCH BIGGER. 
          UM, SO IT'S, I I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE THE NEXT STEP, UH, WORK ON FORMING A CAPITAL CAN CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE, KEEPING GROUPS LIKE KAPPA IN OUR BACK POCKET AND, AND CERTAINLY LEANING ON THEM FOR ADVICE. 
          'CAUSE THIS ISN'T THEIR FIRST RODEO EITHER. 
          AND THEY CAN HOLD OUR HAND. 
          I'VE SPOKEN WITH THEM. 
          THEY, THEY WANT THIS AS MUCH, UH, OR MORE THAN WE DO. 
          UM, SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO JUST SEE US MOVE AHEAD, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M GONNA ADD TO THIS. 
          I, I AGREE. 
          I THINK, UM, I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES, THIS CITY NEEDS A, A PERFORMING AND CULTURAL ARTS CENTER. 
          IT DOES, TO BALANCE IT OUT, TO MAKE IT A FULL, FULL, UM, CITY THAT 
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HAS THE AMENITIES THAT PEOPLE REALLY ENJOY AND CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, BRING ARTS TO THE FOREFRONT. 
          I THINK IT'S, YES. 
          HOW WE GET THERE IS ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I SAW THAT WAS MISSING HERE THAT I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO ANDY IN THE GROUPS, AND KATHY BROUGHT THIS UP IN THE GROUPS, UM, THAT YOU INTERVIEWED. 
          MANY OF THEM CAN'T PAY, BUT THIS IS A CULTURAL ART CENTER, AND WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE THAT PUT ON AND HAVE RESOURCES TO REALLY ELEVATE THEIR CULTURAL TRADITIONS, THEIR CULTURAL ARTS AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND I, AND I, AND THEY'RE MISSING HERE FROM THE CONVERSATION. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT IF WE, AS WE GO FORWARD IN THIS CAPITAL CAMPAIGN. 
          I THINK THAT'S A HUGE MISSING ELEMENT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE BEAUTY OF HAVING SUCH A DIVERSE CULTURE. 
          AND I SEE THESE FESTIVALS AND TRADITIONS ALL THE TIME, AND LOTS OF MONEY IS SPENT ON LOTS OF INTEREST, AND A LOT OF TICKET SALES COULD COME FROM THOSE. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT I WONDER ABOUT THE SPACE, WE TALK ABOUT A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED IN ONE OF THE, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEES. 
          I THINK KATHY, YOU BROUGHT IT UP, THAT IN EUROPE, THEY HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT KIND OF A IMAGE. 
          UM, THIS FLEXIBLE SPACE. 
          WE HAVE A MAIN, UH, THEATER, WE HAVE A STUDIO THEATER, WE HAVE CLASSROOM SPACES. 
          BUT TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS GO, UM, AND YOU USE RENTALS, DOES IT HAVE A KITCHEN? CAN YOU RENT IT OUT FOR, FOR, UM, FOR SPACES THAT MAYBE AREN'T NECESSARILY ARTISTIC, BUT CAN SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT HAS ENOUGH SEATING, IT HAS ENOUGH OPEN SPACE THAT IT COULD BECOME SPACE THAT'S RENTED BY, WE DON'T HAVE EVENT SPACE IN THE CITY THAT YOU CAN, THAT YOU CAN REALLY RENT. 
          UM, UM, THE STUDIO THEATER, I HATED TO SEE THAT BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THE 500, BECAUSE I THINK OF CARMEL, INDIANA HAD THIS WONDERFUL DINNER THEATER THAT WAS A PACKED HOUSE EVERY DAY THAT THEY HAD IT. 
          AND, AND WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THOSE SMALL, INTIMATE STUDIO THEATERS OR THOSE PLACES WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE A DINNER THEATER, YOU COULD LOSE A LOT OF WHAT I CALL THE POPULAR TICKET. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK THE, UM, ARTIST IN RESIDENCE IS ANOTHER IDEA THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN WE WERE IN IRELAND, THE CITY, THE GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED ARTISTS AND RESIDENCE AND PAID FOR THEIR RENTAL SPACE FOR THEM TO MAKE ART WITHIN THE SPACE. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER FUNDING OPTION. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THESE, THE IDEA TO BREAK AWAY FROM A TYPICAL PERFORMING ARTS CENTER AND LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT SPACE CAN BE UTILIZED TO MAKE MONEY, TO CREATE INTEREST, TO, UM, BE FLEXIBLE, UM, TO, UM, TO BE ATTRACTIVE TO A VERY LARGE POPULATION OF PEOPLE INSTEAD OF JUST THE ART COMMUNITY MIGHT GIVE THIS THE LEG UP THAT IT NEEDS. 
          UM, I THINK ALSO THAT, UM, PARTNERSHIPS, WE LOOK AT THE SCHOOLS WHO NEED THESE SPACES, YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN THEY GO TO DO THEIR FACILITIES FUNDING AND THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WORKSPACE, MAYBE THAT'S A PARTNERSHIP THAT THE, THE SCHOOLS COULD PARTICIPATE IN OWNING A PIECE. 
          JUST LIKE, LIKE KOHE SAYS, YOU, YOU OWN A PIECE OF THE SPACE BECAUSE YOU FUNDED A PIECE OF THE SPACE SO YOU CAN USE A PIECE OF THE SPACE. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS, AND I, I WOULD BE, UH, FOR MAKING A MOTION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ROBERT ABOUT GOING AHEAD WITH MAYBE AN R F P AND JUST LOOKING AT THE FEASIBILITY OF THE, OF THAT CAPITAL CAMPAIGN. 
          AND ALSO THE POSSIBILITY OF NOT DESIGNING, IT'S TOO EARLY TO DESIGN, BUT MAYBE TO START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE OTHER ASPECTS WE CAN DO TO MAKE THE FUNDING OF THIS MORE REASONABLE, MORE PRACTICAL, MORE SELF-SUSTAINABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ROBERT, UM, WE NEED TO GIVE YOU SOME ANSWERS ON, UM, THE NEXT STEP. 
          AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION ON HOW THAT MIGHT BE? SURE, YEAH. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE IF, IF THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UM, UH, ON ANY OF THE, THE, UH, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, UM, WEB MANAGEMENT HAS, HAS COMPLETED THIS, THE DRAFT CONSOLIDATED REPORT. 
          UH, ONE THING I DID HEAR WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CRITICAL PATH PLAN, AND, AND IF THERE'S WANTING TO SEE ANYTHING DIFFERENT AND THE, THE CRITICAL PATH PLAN, WE COULD CERTAINLY BRING THAT BACK FOR, FOR ACCEPTANCE AND, AND MOVE FORWARD IN THAT WAY. 
          UM, ONE THING THAT CERTAINLY WE WOULD WANT DIRECTION ON, AND PERHAPS WHAT WE COULD RETURN BACK WITH THE ACCEPTANCE IS WHAT THE CAPITAL, WHAT, WHAT A, WHAT THE MODEL FOR A CAPITAL COMMITTEE COULD LOOK LIKE. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, ARTS 
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COUNCILS COME UP, CAPA'S COME UP, AND THAT'S MORE ON THE OPERATION SIDE. 
          UM, BUT THE QUESTION REALLY BECOMES IS WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD, UM, COVER THOSE EXPENSES AND LEAD THAT, THAT EFFORT WHEN IT COMES TO A FUNDRAISING STRATEGY AND A, A, UM, UM, FIRMER DESIGN TO GET, TO GET BETTER NUMBERS ON COST. 
          AND SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL ON, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD TAKE THE LEAD ON, OR IF THE NEXT STEP IS TO GO AND, AND GET A MODEL AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE MODEL AND THE GO AND HAND THAT OFF TO THEM. 
          I'LL GO ON RECORD. 
          I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE CITY BEING THE, THE PERSON THAT IS DOING THE FEASIBILITY STUDIES, THE CAPITAL CAMPAIGNS, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER DOES THAT HAS TO OWN IT. 
          AND SO WHOEVER'S GONNA RAISE THE MONEY HAS TO DO THOSE STUDIES BECAUSE THEN WHEN THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD AND SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK, AND THEY SAY, WELL, YOUR STUDY PROVED OUT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, AND YOU KNOW, YOU SAID X WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND Y IS HAPPENING. 
          AND SO WHOEVER IS THE RECIPIENT OF THAT STUDY HAS GOT TO OWN, OWN THE FUNDRAISING, OTHERWISE THEY'RE JUST TAKING UP SOMEBODY ELSE'S TORCH. 
          AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO, TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE TRYING TO RAISE THE FUNDS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, FOR, FOR ME, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 500 AND 700 SEATS, YOU KNOW, THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, KAUFMAN SEAT 700. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GO LESS THAN WHAT THE THREE FACILITIES, WE ALREADY HAVE SEAT. 
          UM, NOT WE THE SCHOOLS HAVE, BUT THE COMMUNITY HAS. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK THAT WHOEVER, UM, EXAMINES THESE NEXT STEPS NEEDS TO BE THE BODY THAT'S GOING TO OWN THEM. 
          AND IF THAT'S, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORTIVE OF THE CITY BEING THE OWNER OF THAT. 
          MAYBE THERE ARE FOUR PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE, AND THAT'S HOW IT GOES. 
          BUT, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, DO ALL OF THESE FEASIBILITY STUDIES AND TELL THEM OF WHAT THE OUTCOME SHOULD BE, THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S FAIR. 
          SO IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, ROBERT, SOME INSTRUCTION ON WHO THAT BODY WOULD BE RELATIVE TO NEXT STEPS TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS? BECAUSE AGAIN, I, I ALSO FEEL SOME KIND OF WAY ABOUT THE CITY BEING THE LEAD ON IT. 
          I'M, I'M HAPPY FOR THE CITY TO BE A FACILITATOR OF THAT CONVERSATION, BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE THE CITY'S CONVERSATION. 
          SO IF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS A RECOMMENDATION AS TO SORT OF WHO NEEDS TO OWN THOSE NEXT STEPS, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, OR MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES TO A COMMITTEE AND COMES BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, HAPPY TO ASSIST, DON'T REALLY WANT THE CITY TO TAKE THE LEAD ON IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'D BE FINE TO SEND IT TO A COMMITTEE AND SAY, HEY, HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT LEADING BODY SHOULD BE FOR THIS THING. 
          I WOULD, I COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR SOME OTHER STRUCTURE OF THAT MANNER, JUST NOT BEING THE ONES THAT ARE LEADING IT OURSELVES. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT, IT DOES. 
          YES. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, I AGREE. 
          I, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD FIND SOMEONE TO TAKE THIS, LIKE BASICALLY FIND THAT NONPROFIT, WHETHER IT'S THE ARTS COUNCIL OR WHOEVER THE STAFF FINDS SOMEONE TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THE NEXT STEPS. 
          SO MAYBE A LOGICAL NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO HAVE, UM, UH, A BODY RATHER THAT'S THE ARTS COUNSELOR, WHATEVER, UM, SEE IF THERE'S SOMEONE WILLING TO TAKE A LEAD ON A CAMPAIGN, THAT'S USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS. 
          AND BE RESPONSIBLE. 
          I WOULD AGAIN, UM, REQUEST THAT THE CAPITAL CAMPAIGN HAVE SOME ENDOWMENT CAPABILITY BECAUSE I, I JUST DON'T THINK WE WANT THESE FOLKS TO USE THE SPACE. 
          AND IF WE SAY YOU CAN'T, IF YOU CAN'T PAY, YOU CAN'T PLAY. 
          I THINK WE WOULD LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO DO WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN. 
          SO I WOULD REALLY WANNA SEE WHOEVER RIDE, WHOEVER WOULD LEAD A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD BE LARGE ENOUGH TO HAVE AN ONGOING ENDOWMENT SO THAT YOU REALLY COULD HIT THE MISSIONS THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO. 
          SO YOU'D HAVE TO ASK SOMEBODY, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD LIKE TO CARRY BOTH OF THOSE TORCHES AND THEN OWN THEM, UM, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          AND THAT SEEMS LIKE A VERY GOOD NEXT STEP, UM, ROBERT, UM, TO GO STRAIGHT TO A FEASIBILITY STUDY. 
          I'M UNDERSTAND, I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE REALLY NEEDING IS TO BE ABLE TO, I THINK THE CITY HAS TO BE THE CATALYST. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OTHERWISE. 
          IF WE DON'T BE THE CATALYST, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET THIS EVER OFF THE GROUND. 
          NO ONE IS GONNA PICK THIS BALL UP AND RUN WITH IT. 
          SO I THINK THE CITY HAS A BIG PART TO PLAY IN IT. 
          UM, AND MAYBE SOME SEED MONEY IN ORDER TO DO THAT. 
          I ALSO BELIEVE THAT, UM, 
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THAT MAYBE IT SHOULD, AS CHRISTINA SAID, GO TO A COMMITTEE TO BEGIN TO LOOK TO SEE WHO TO IDENTIFY, WHO MAY BE ABLE TO BE THAT INTERESTED IN HELPING US DO THAT. 
          BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED THAT CHAMPION. 
          WE NEED THAT PERSON. 
          AND AS I SAID BEFORE, THERE ARE MANY GROUPS HERE WE HAVEN'T EVEN APPROACHED THAT, UM, THAT I THINK MIGHT HAVE GREAT INTEREST IN THIS. 
          SO, UM, ANDY, YOUR THOUGHTS? SO THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS, AS I RECALL, THERE WAS A FUNDRAISING STUDY AS PART OF THAT PACKAGE. 
          SO THE CITY COMMISSIONED THAT STUDY, DID THEY NOT? SO I GUESS I'M CURIOUS, UH, WHERE THE CH WHY THERE'S A CHANGE OF HEART. 
          WE COMMISSIONED A STUDY AND HOW DO WE DO THIS? YOU KNOW, ALL, WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS HERE. 
          SO WHERE DO WE START? UH, DO WE PICK DAVID AND SAY, TAG YOUR IT, YOU'RE UP AND YOU HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER THIS, THIS GROUP WITHOUT ANY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FEEDBACK OR INPUT VERSUS US WORKING TOGETHER VERSUS US CREATING A SEPARATE NEW ENTITY, ONE THAT DOESN'T EXIST NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE, THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, UM, THAT LACKS PURPOSE. 
          I'VE TALKED WITH THEM AND THEY, IF YOU GIVE THEM A MISSION, THEY WILL, THEY WILL DELIVER IT. 
          THERE'S THE COLUMBUS FOUNDATION, SAME THING. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE, BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE A TEAM OF 10 TO 20 CONNECTED INDIVIDUALS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IS IT, UH, UNETHICAL FOR ME TO GO TO ONE OF OUR FORMER, UM, SAY, UH, PARADE, UM, MARSHALS, OR I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY WELL RESPECTED AND CONNECTED IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          IS IT INAPPROPRIATE FOR ME TO GO TO THEM AND SAY, I THINK YOU WOULD BE A GREAT PERSON TO HEAD THIS COMMITTEE. 
          UM, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          UH, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE IF WE DON'T, WE'RE SORT OF SAYING, WE THINK YOU NEED TO BUILD A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. 
          WE'VE DONE THE STUDY, THERE'S A DEMAND FOR IT, SO GO BUILD IT. 
          SO, ANDY, I, I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS NOT FAR FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT, I'M OKAY WITH US WORKING TO IDENTIFY SOME PEOPLE TO GET THIS TRAIN GOING. 
          WHAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE IS, IS THE CITY ACTUALLY LEADING THAT AND DRIVING THAT TRAIN? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO I AM VERY HAPPY IF YOU, IF IF THE BALANCE OF COUNCIL WANTS TO SEND IT TO A COMMITTEE TO TALK THROUGH, WHO ARE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO ENGAGE, LET'S GET IT DOWN AND LET'S GET STAFF OUT THERE TO TALK WITH THESE FOLKS AND, AND DO A LITTLE BIT OF RECRUITING. 
          I WOULD BE VERY, VERY FINE WITH THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND WE NEVER MADE IT TO THAT STEP THE LAST TIME. 
          UM, WE DIDN'T MAKE IT NEAR THAT FAR LAST TIME, BUT I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO DO THAT AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN A SMALLER GROUP, MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AND THEN, YOU KNOW, REACH, HAVE STAFF, REACH OUT TO THOSE FOLKS AND START GETTING THAT GROUP TOGETHER. 
          YOU KNOW, JUST TO FRAME THIS AS WELL, WHEN WE WENT TO THE C D C AND WE PRESENTED WHAT, WHAT WE CAME BACK HERE THAT THE, SOME OF THE NEW INFORMATION INCLUDED THE ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, SOME OF THE FUNDRAISING QUESTIONS. 
          SO THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF NEW INFORMATION. 
          WHAT THE C D C CHARGE STAFF TO DO WAS TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL TO RECEIVE YOUR FEEDBACK BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT THIS WAS A, AND, AND, AND, AND CERTAINLY I'D ASK ANY OF THE C D C MEMBERS TO CORRECT ME IF I'M MISCHARACTERIZING THIS, BUT COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A LARGE CONVERSATION AND GET CITY COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK. 
          I THINK WE CERTAINLY HAVE RECEIVED CITY'S COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK. 
          THE NEXT STEPS WITH REGARDS TO WHAT COMES NEXT, IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO PUT TOGETHER A, A FUNDRAISING STRATEGY FOR YOUR CAPITAL CAMPAIGN, AND YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO GET BETTER COSTS. 
          WHAT I'M HEARING IS WHETHER THAT'S THE CITY OR WHETHER THAT IS SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE CITY, CERTAINLY IT SEEMS TO ME THE, WHAT SEEMS TO BE CONGEALING IS THAT WE CAN REFER THIS TO A COMMITTEE AND, AND, AND FACILITATE THAT AND TALK ABOUT WHO WE WOULD WANT TO APPROACH AND, AND GO IN THAT DIRECTION TO TAKE THOSE NEXT STEPS. 
          BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE NEXT STEPS ARE CLEAR. 
          IT'S NEEDING TO PUT TOGETHER A FUNDRAISING STRATEGY AND, AND GETTING YOUR FINAL NUMBERS IS THE QUESTION OF WHO IS IS GONNA TAKE THAT ON, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY OR WHETHER IT'S, IT'S A, SOME KIND OF PARTY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. 
          YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. 
          AND, AND I THINK BECAUSE IT'S STILL SITTING WITH C D C, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, WE, WE JUST SEND IT BACK ANYWHERE. 
          I THINK C D C CAN CONTINUE AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND IDENTIFY THAT GROUP OF FOLKS. 
          YEAH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A MOTION TO GO BACK 'CAUSE IT'S STILL SITTING IN COMMITTEE. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THAT THOSE 
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TWO NEXT STEPS OF HOW TO FUNDRAISE AND HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST, I THINK THE GROUP IDENTIFIED TO DO THE FUNDRAISING NEEDS TO BE DE NEEDS TO BE THE GROUP TO DECIDE HOW TO DO, DO THE FUNDRAISING. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, NO, THE CITY SHOULD NOT DO EITHER OF THOSE NEXT TWO STEPS. 
          WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE PEOPLE WHO WILL DO THE FUNDRAISING, THEY WILL FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WANNA DO IT AND THE NEXT STEPS OF COST AS MIKE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK C D C CAN BE THAT BODY THAT HAS THAT CONVERSATION. 
          ONE THING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TOO, TO, TO COMPLETE THIS PHASE, THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY, WE DID NOT WANNA COME FORWARD AND AND NECESSARILY ASK THE KNIGHT FOR ACCEPTANCE. 
          WE WANTED TO GIVE THE COUNCIL A CHANCE TO GIVE US FEEDBACK IN CASE WE NEEDED TO GO BACK. 
          BUT IF COUNCIL'S READY TO ACCEPT, UH, THE STUDY, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, DO THAT AS WELL, UM, AT, AT AT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. 
          BUT UNLESS THERE'S SOME WORK THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE, OTHERWISE, UH, THE, THE SCOPE OF THE STUDY HAS, HAS BEEN COMPLETED IN THE DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU, YEAH, THAT WAS STAFF'S MAIN OBJECTIVE WAS TO SHARE THE DRAFT STUDY AND DETERMINE IF THERE IS FEEDBACK THAT WOULD BE, UM, IMPACTFUL TO FINALIZING THE STUDY. 
          AND PART OF THAT WAS TO GET THE FEEDBACK ON THE DIFFERENT SIZES. 
          BUT I'M HEARING THAT MORE INFORMATION IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE STUDY AS IS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          AND I THINK ON THE, I THINK THE PARALLEL PATH THAT THE FACT THAT DESIGN WAS SO CLOSE WAS, IS, IS SORT OF BACKED UP UNTIL WE GET SOME MORE INFORMATION. 
          PLUS, I ALSO THINK THE CULTURAL, I MENTIONED THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THING I SEE MISSING IN THE STUDY. 
          BUT CERTAINLY NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE FEEDBACK, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT CAN GO BACK TO COMMITTEE AND BE DISCUSSED. 
          CAN I MAKE ONE RECOMMENDATION AS WE FINALIZE THE REPORT, PERHAPS A LITTLE LANGUAGE EXPLAINING HOW YOU ARRIVED AT, UM, WELL, TO KATHY'S QUESTION OF THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT THOSE CATEGORIES OF TICKETING, WHAT TICKETING MEANT, WHAT THOSE TERMS MEANT, JUST LIKE A SENTENCE AND THEN ALSO TO THE POINT OF HOW YOU CALCULATED THAT RENTAL, HOW YOU KIND OF CAME UP WITH THAT PRICE. 
          'CAUSE YOU SAID YOU USED ABOUT HALF OF THE OCCUPANCY, SO MAYBE JUST A LITTLE DEFINITION SENTENCE OR TWO OF HOW YOU GOT THOSE. 
          SO IF SOMEONE PICKS UP THAT REPORT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THEY'LL UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. 
          CERTAINLY, WE WILL ALSO ADJUST THE CRITICAL PATH BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING AS WELL BEFORE FINALIZING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S GOING BACK TO COMMITTEE. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE DIRECTION THAT YOU NEED THEN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE EXPLANATION AND ALL THE WORK. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, NEXT 
          [STAFF COMMENTS]
IS STAFF COMMENTS. 
          MEGAN. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I'M PROUD TO ANNOUNCE THAT DUBLIN HAS RECEIVED THE GOLD LEVEL AWARD AS PART OF THE OHIO EPAS ENCOURAGING ENVIRONMENTAL EXCELLENCE IN COMMUNITIES PROGRAM. 
          THIS RECOGNITION SPEAKS TO THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO BEING THE MOST SUSTAINABLE GLOBAL CITY OF CHOICE. 
          THE APPLICATION REQUIRED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESEARCH AND COLLABORATION AMONGST STAFF FROM DIFFERENT AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          AND OUR MANAGEMENT INTERNS, MASON ALTHOUSE, AND HALEY GRIGGS WERE INTEGRAL IN COMPILING OVER 400 PAGES OF DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, DUBLIN IS ONE OF, IF NOT THE FIRST COMMUNITY IN OHIO TO ACHIEVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL AWARD IN THIS STATE PROGRAM. 
          SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT ACHIEVEMENT. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE STAFF THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COM. 
          UM, COUNCIL 
          [COUNCIL REPORTS]
COMMITTEE REPORTS, COUNCILMAN REER, C D C. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT A, UH, DIFFERENCE, UH, TWO WEEKS HAVE MADE IN, UH, THE PROJECT ON THE, UM, FREEWAY INTERCHANGE. 
          SO I WANNA COMPLIMENT MATT AND THE TEAM, UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH, WHAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH IS A WHOLE NEW IDEA AND A LAYERED LOOK, ALMOST A THEATRICAL BACKDROP. 
          UH, THEY WERE SORT OF STUCK WITH A, UH, GRID PATTERN THAT THEY INHERITED, AND I THINK THEY CAME UP WITH SOME REALLY GOOD IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS TOMORROW AT, UH, 5:00 PM THANK YOU. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ALITO DUBLIN BOARD OF EDUCATION. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, VICE MAYOR DEROSA DUBLIN BRIDGES COURT, US 33 QUARTER GROUP AND ENVISION DUBLIN STEERING COMMITTEE. 
          UM, THE ENVISION DUBLIN STEERING COMMITTEE IS GONNA MEET LATER THIS WEEK. 
          UM, AND I'LL JUST, THE, THE ROUTE 33 MEETING, IT WAS LIGHTLY ATTENDED. 
          THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON VACATION THIS LAST TIME. 
          UM, CONTINUED CONVERSATION ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT DOESN'T SLOW DOWN. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD SAY CONTINUED CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WE ALL PLAY IN, IN, IN MUTUAL COLLABORATION. 
          UM, SUPERINTENDENTS FOR SCHOOLS WERE INVITED, UM, AND I, I THINK THE UPTAKE 
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OF THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE FALL. 
          SO, UM, LIGHTLY, LIGHTLY ATTENDED MEETING, BUT CONTINUED ACCELERATION AND COMMITMENT TO, UM, CONVERSATIONS. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY REPORT ON THAT. 
          AND NOTHING ON DUBLIN BRIDGES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN KEELER, LOGAN COUNTY, UM, UNION, LOGAN UNION IN CHAMPAIGN COUNTY. 
          AND, UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON CORRIDOR? NOTHING ON THAT. 
          JUST A LITTLE BIT TO ADD ON THE 33 CORRIDOR. 
          UM, MOST OF YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE VISIT DUBLIN DIGEST IN THE MAIL. 
          YOU'RE PROBABLY WONDERING WHY I AM TALKING ABOUT THIS WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE 33 CORRIDOR NATIONAL B M X EVENT, UH, THAT OCCURRED. 
          IT WAS A JOINT EVENT WITH UNION COUNTY AND DUBLIN. 
          UM, THEY, THEY'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON UP THERE IN MARYSVILLE. 
          THEY HAD A BALLOON FESTIVAL THE WEEKEND BEFORE, AND THEN THE B M X EVENT THIS PAST WEEKEND. 
          UM, THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ANNEXING 1800 ACRES TO THE EAST OF THE CITY. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING IT IN 300 ACRE CHUNKS. 
          HIRED ONE PRIMARY DEVELOPMENT COMPANY TO DO THAT. 
          AND WHILE THEY'VE TALKED WITH AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT TWO SUPPLIERS TO INTEL, HONESTLY, I SEE THE BIGGER OPPORTUNITY IN THE 33 CORRIDOR BEING HONDAS, UM, CHANGE OVER TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES BY 2040. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE. 
          UH, ANOTHER REASON THAT I THINK THERE, THEY WERE SENDING FOLKS OR ARE SENDING FOLKS TO JAPAN TO REPRESENT, UH, MARYSVILLE AND UNION COUNTY, UM, HAD, OH, THE, UH, AVALON THEATER HAS A SPEAKER SERIES. 
          IMAGINE THAT. 
          THAT'S, ADD THAT TO THE LIST OF THE THINGS YOU COULD DO IN A CULTURAL ART CENTER. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT, THAT WOULD BE A, A FUNDRAISING OPPORTUNITY THERE. 
          UM, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH THE TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR OF, UM, DRUM TOWNSHIP, BRANDON STANLEY. 
          UM, REAL GOOD GUY. 
          UM, GOOD FIND, AND I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE HIS CONTRIBUTION TO THE AREA. 
          UM, PLAIN CITY'S GOT A LOT GOING ON. 
          UM, THEY, UH, HAVE TWO NEW PARKS UNDERWAY. 
          IMAGINE THAT BATTING PARKS OUT THERE ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          GOOD FOR THEM FOR DOING THAT. 
          UM, ALSO, UH, SOME PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO US 42. 
          SO WALKABILITY IS ON THEIR RADAR. 
          I GIVE 'EM A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN IN UNION COUNTY, UH, WE'VE ALL, WE'VE ALL PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT PLAN AT MITCHELL DEWITT, BUT THEY TOO ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH BIDS. 
          THEIR BID, IF THEY HAD RECEIVED IT, WOULD'VE BEEN $400,000 OVER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS ANDY. 
          UH, JOHN DOUBLE ON ARTS COUNCIL AND VETERANS COMMITTEE. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          WE'VE GOT ELISE SANCHEZ WITH A, UM, BEHOLD THE SURFACE. 
          AND THIS, THIS IS REALLY A GREAT ART SHOW. 
          IT'S, UM, BOLD, EXCITING PATTERNS. 
          UM, REALLY SOMETHING WE, YOU SHOULD TAKE THE EFFORT TO GO SEE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE RUNNING UNTIL SEPTEMBER THE EIGHTH. 
          THERE IS AN ARTIST TALK WITH ELISE, UM, ON SEPTEMBER THE FIFTH AT 6:00 PM AND, UH, VERY ENGAGING AND INTERESTING, UH, LADY. 
          UH, SUNDAYS AT THE IOTA IS STARTED ON THE 27TH, AND WE'LL RUN TO OCTOBER THE EIGHTH, AND THOSE PERFORMANCES ARE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOTHING FOR THE VETERANS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AMY. 
          WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP AND A R B I WILL REMIND COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN EMAIL FROM WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME STAKEHOLDERS TO, YOU CAN IDENTIFY ONE OR UP TO TWO PEOPLE THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE KEY STAKEHOLDERS. 
          THEY'RE HAVING A STAKEHOLDER MEETING OC ON OCTOBER 11TH. 
          I'LL BE ATTENDING AS THE COUNCIL LIAISON, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR COMMUNITY RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, YOU CAN REPLY TO THAT EMAIL AND LET THEM KNOW. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, CHRIS. 
          MID OHIO REGIONAL PLANNING, PLANNING AND ZONING AND ENVISION DOUBLE, UH, YEAH. 
          UM, THROUGH MORS E THERE IS A, A NEW BODY THAT'S BEING FORMED. 
          UM, IT IS THE STATEWIDE OHIO PASSENGER RAIL COALITION. 
          UM, I'M SCHEDULED TO ATTEND THEIR INAUGURAL MEETING, AND SO LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT HAPPENS RELATIVE TO THAT CONVERSATION, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          UH, WE, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE HAVE SOME ENVISIONED DUBLIN MEETINGS TOMORROW NIGHT AND WEDNESDAY NIGHT FOR, UM, THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO THAT WILL BE A, A HUGE CONTINUATION OF THE PLANNING. 
          UM, AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE FOR OUR ENVISION DUBLIN STEERING COMMITTEE. 
          SO, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE MEETINGS AND WE'LL HAVE SOME GOOD THINGS TO REPORT BACK NEXT TIME. 
          THANKS, CHRIS. 
          COUNCILOR ROUNDTABLE. 
          [COUNCIL ROUNDTABLE]
AMY, DO YOU WANNA START? UM, I WILL JUST REMIND PEOPLE THAT ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, SINCE WE'RE NOT MEETING BEFORE THEN, IS A CANDIDATE NIGHT THAT THE CHAMBER'S OFFERING AT THE B M I CREDIT UNION. 
          I BELIEVE IT STARTS AT SIX 30. 
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WHO'S GOING TO THE CANDIDATE NIGHT? UH, GREAT TURNOUT FOR THE BOAT IN THE FIELD. 
          UH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, IT WAS VERY COOL TO SEE THE STEEL AND STONE. 
          UH, IT WAS A LITTLE WARM, BUT, UM, THE ARTS COUNCIL FIXED US UP WITH POPSICLES. 
          UM, THERE WERE MEMBERS OF RED TRIBUNE'S FAMILY THERE, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY TOUCHING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, DITTO WITH THE, UH, ARTS IN THE FIELD, IT WAS, IT'S REALLY AN AWESOME PIECE OF ART WHEN YOU SEE THAT MUCH STONE SUSPENDED UP IN THE AIR, PRETTY COMPLEX, UH, PIECE OF ART, UH, UM, CORTEN STEEL COLUMNS ARE HOLDING THIS THING UP. 
          AND, UH, A MIGHTY PIECE OF ART. 
          I THINK IT'S GONNA BRING A STRONG REPUTATION TO DUBLIN. 
          AND AGAIN, THANKS FOR, UH, IT WAS A GREAT OPENING AND A LOT OF FUN. 
          IT WAS HOT, BUT, UH, AGAIN, THANKS FOR THE POPSICLES. 
          IT WASN'T REGULAR POPSICLES, IT WAS UNIQUE POPSICLES. 
          SO I, I'D SAY, DR. 
          DAVE, THAT WAS YOURS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOTHING TONIGHT. 
          THANKS. 
          I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER, SO I'LL ADD, I I PEDALED BY THE BOAT IN THE FIELD TODAY. 
          IT'S STILL THERE, DAVIS, SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD NEWS. 
          REALLY GOOD NEWS. 
          BUT, UM, PEOPLE WERE STOPPED TO HAVE CONVERSATION AROUND IT, AND THAT IT IS EXACTLY THE INTENT, AND THEY WERE BUSY. 
          I, I WAS TEMPTED TO STOP AND CHAT, BUT MY HUSBAND SAID, KEEP PEDALING. 
          SO, UM, IT, IT WAS GREAT. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, AND CONGRATULATIONS ON A, ANOTHER TERRIFIC CONTRIBUTION TO A, A WONDERFUL COLLECTION. 
          SO, THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST QUICKLY, I JUST WANNA GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OHIO HEALTH. 
          UM, UM, SHERRY SMITH, WHO IS THE CHIEF, UH, NURSING OFFICER AT DUBLIN METHODIST IN AND, UH, O'GRADY. 
          UM, GRADY MEMORIAL HOSPITAL IS A 20 YEAR AIR FORCE VETERAN, AND OHIO HEALTH IS SPONSORING HER, UH, ACCOMPANYING ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, THE HONOR FLIGHT TO WASHINGTON D C. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S, UM, THAT'S COMMENDABLE AND I THINK, UH, ONE OF OUR WONDERFUL HOSPITAL PARTNERS HERE IN THE CITY IS, UM, HONORING OUR VETERANS AND, UH, SENDING THEIR CHIEF OPERATING NURSE TO, UM, TO ACCOMPANY THEM. 
          SO I, WE THANK THEM FOR THAT. 
          AND, UM, IF THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE, THEN THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
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