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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD MEETING.
UM, THIS IS MEETING IS CURRENTLY BEING LIVE STREAMED.
SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE HERE, IF YOU WANT TO ACCESS VIDEO OF THIS OR FUTURE MEETINGS, YOU CAN GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE FOR ANYBODY WEB STREAMING.
THIS MEETING CURRENTLY IT'S BEING HELD AT 5 5 5 5 PERIMETER PERIMETER DRIVE IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
THE PROCEDURE FOR EACH CASE THIS EVENING WILL BEGIN WITH, UH, STAFF PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT.
THE BOARD WILL THEN ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FIRST TO THE STAFF AND THEN OF THE APPLICANT.
WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
THAT PUBLIC COMMENT CAN BE HERE IN PERSON OR IT COULD BE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE.
IF YOU DO WANNA MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO, ONE, NEED TO BE SWORN IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
AND THEN TWO, WHEN YOU COME UP, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS.
THE, UM, AFTER WE HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN THE BOARD WILL DELIBERATE ON, ON EACH CASE AND WHEN APPROPRIATE, UM, ANNOUNCE OUR FINDINGS.
UH, JUDY, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. JEWEL? HERE.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ALRIGHT.IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS IN RECORD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR JULY 26TH MEETING? I KNOW I'VE GOT, LET'S DO THIS, THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
NOW WE'LL HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
SO IF YOU'D ALL STAND AND FACE THE FLAG, ALLEGIANCE, FLAG, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WHICH STANDS ONE NATION.
[Case #23-071]
ALL RIGHT.OUR BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION AND MODIFICATIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO ANY SITE THAT IS SUBJECT TO ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING CODE SECTION 1 5 3 0.170.
UM, WE ARE THE DECISION MAKING.
WE HAVE THE DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE CASES.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON CASES THIS EVENING MUST BE SWORN IN.
SO I'M GOING TO DIRECT THIS TO THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY BE ADDRESSING THE BOARD.
UH, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? OKAY, THANK YOU.
THIS EVENING IS CASE 2 3 0 7 1.
THIS IS THE FERRIS WRIGHT HISTORICAL GARDEN.
UM, THIS IS A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW.
UM, IT'S A REQUEST FOR AN INSTALLATION OF A FENCE AT AN EXISTING PARK TO PRESERVE A HISTORIC GARDEN ON A 13.39 ACRE SITE.
THIS ZONED R ONE RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THE SITE IS LOCATED NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF RIGHT WAY WITH EMERALD PARKWAY.
MS. MULNICKS WILL BE OUR PRESENTER.
SO, TAYLOR, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR PROJECT REVIEW FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A FENCE TO PRESERVE A HISTORIC GARDEN AT FERRIS WRIGHT PARK.
THE 13.39 ACRE SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AND LOCATED NORTH OF RIGHT WAY AND THE EMERALD PARKWAY INTERSECTION.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE RESTRICTED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT LISTED AS AN APPENDIX G PROPERTY.
THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST, AND VACANT LAND TO THE WEST, UM, WILL BE PART OF A FUTURE PHASE OF THE PARK.
THE PROJECT AREA IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.
SO AS WE UPDATE THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN, CITY COUNCIL REQUESTED WE USE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES TO GUIDE DEVELOPMENT.
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, CODE AND GUIDELINES APPLY.
THE HIGHLIGHTED GOALS IN GREEN HERE ARE APPLICABLE TO THIS PROJECT AND AS DESCRIBED AS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
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HISTORY DATING BACK TO THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THE HOPEWELL ERA, MODERN NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES AND FAMILIES WHO LATER OCCUPIED THE FARMHOUSE AND FARMED THE LAND.AND TWENTIES, 10 THE CITY ACQUIRED THE LAND TO ESTABLISH A PARK.
SUBSEQUENTLY, THE HOLDER WRIGHT FARM AND EARTHWORKS MASTER PLAN WAS CREATED.
EARLY PHASES OF THE PARK WERE IMPLEMENTED AND THEN THE PARK WAS LATER RENAMED.
SO THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE HISTORICAL GARDENS FACING WEST AND FACING NORTH TOWARDS THE FARMHOUSE.
THE CITY'S PARKS AND RECREATION DIVISION IS PARTNERING WITH AN EAGLE SCOUT, UH, TO CONSTRUCT A PROTECTIVE FENCING AROUND THREE HISTORIC GARDENS WITH THE INTENT TO ADD ADDITIONAL GARDEN BEDS WITHIN THE ENCLOSURE SOUTH OF THE FARMHOUSE.
THE YTT NATION CULTURAL CENTER GIFTED THE CITY RARE HEIRLOOM SEED, UM, WHICH IS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE GARDENS.
FURTHER HISTORIC DISTRICT CODE FENCES, UM, SHOULD NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT OR BE MORE THAN 50% OPAQUE UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED FIVE FOOT FENCE, UM, HEIGHT DUE TO THE VALUE OF THE SEEDS WITHIN THE GARDENS, AND ALSO TO PROTECT, UM, THE CONTENTS FROM DEER, UM, INTRUDING ON THE ENCLOSURE.
SO THE FENCE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH CEDAR POSTS, UH, BLACK WELDED WIRE, SELF-CLOSING HINGES, AND A FLIP GATE LATCH TO LOCK THE GATE.
THIS SITE AS MENTIONED, UM, IS AN APPENDIX G PROPERTY, UM, WHICH STANDS ALONE, WHERE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT CONTEXT AND KAYER ARE NON-APPLICABLE, APPLICABLE.
UM, THEREFORE A HIGH STYLE PAINTED FENCE, UM, AS THE GUIDELINES SUGGEST IS NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE IN THIS INSTANCE.
THE MATERIALS ARE RUSTIC AND TRADITIONAL FOR A HISTORIC HOMESTEAD.
THE FENCE STYLE IS UTILITARIAN AND SIMILAR TO THE CHARACTER OF VERNACULAR FENCES.
AND FINALLY, IT'S THE LEAST INTRUSIVE, UM, FENCE STYLE TYPE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THE VALUABLE SEED.
THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW CRITERIA IS MET OR NOT APPLICABLE.
AND FINALLY, PLANNING RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MINOR PROJECT REVIEW WITH CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT APPLIES FOR AND OBTAINS A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING PLAN APPROVAL.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS IN ATTENDANCE.
ANYONE HAVE ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS? TAYLOR? YEAH.
UM, DO WE NEED A WAIVER ON THE FENCE AND ALSO WE'RE NOT PAINTING THE SEED OR WE'RE JUST GONNA LET IT AGE NATURALLY, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S IN THE GUIDELINES AS WELL.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD? UH, SEAN KSKY FROM THE PARKS AND RECTOR DEPARTMENT, CITY OF DUBLIN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION? NO, I THINK, UH, TAYLOR PRETTY WELL SUMMED IT UP.
UM, WE HAVE NOT PLANTED ANY OF THE HEIRLOOM SEEDS.
UH, WE HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY GOTTEN THEM YET, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO GET THEM, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE PROTECTED BEFORE WE GOT THEM ON THE SITE.
I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING TO ADD IS THAT THE FOOD THAT WE'RE GROWING THERE GOES TO THE DUBLIN FOOD PANTRY.
SO IT'S, IT'S FEEDING OUR FOLKS HERE IN, IN DUBLIN AS WELL, SO, OKAY, GOOD, GOOD.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY.
I THINK IT'S AN AWESOME PROJECT.
UM, IF WE HAD ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS, WE HAVE NOT.
WELL SEEING AS THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE, UM, ONE CONDITION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
CASE NUMBER 28 DASH OH SEVEN ONE.
[Case #23-081]
OUR SECOND CASE THIS EVENING PERTAINS TO ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS.THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE REQUEST.
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IT'S REQUEST FOR A DOCUMENT THAT IS ATTENDED TO SUPPLEMENT THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND SERVE AS A GUIDE FOR PROPERTY OWNERS, STAFF AND THIS BOARD REGARDING THE APPROPRIATE CHOICE OF ALTERNATIVE BUILDING MATERIALS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND APPENDIX G PROPERTIES.ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS REFER TO THE USE OF A NON-TRADITIONAL SYNTHETIC MATERIAL IN PLACE OF AN ORIGINAL MATERIAL OR MODERN MATERIALS USED ON NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THIS WHOLE HOPE WILL BE OUR PRESENTER.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ALL SET.
UH, TONIGHT WITH, WITH YOUR CONCURRENCE.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THIS TOPIC AND GO THROUGH SOME OF THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS WITH YOU, BUT SINCE IT'S A RATHER LARGE DOCUMENT, UM, WE WERE THINKING THAT ACTUAL DISCUSSION MIGHT BE BEST TO SAVE FOR SEPTEMBER.
SO, UM, AGAIN, WITH YOUR CONCURRENCE, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS PROJECT.
YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT, UM, IT STARTED OUT AS PART OF THE PRE-APPROVED PAINT COLORS AND SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY WITH THAT PROJECT, IT WAS SEPARATED OUT.
UM, THE PAINT COLORS WERE APPROVED IN MARCH OF 22 AND IN JUNE OF 22, UH, THE BOARD DID CONFIRM CONTINUING INTEREST WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND, AND SINCE THAT TIME, STAFF'S BEEN WORKING WITH PRESERVATION DESIGNS LIMITED TO DEVELOP SOME APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE.
UM, SO WE'LL BE JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU THE HIGH LEVEL PLUS SOME DISCUSSION QUESTIONS AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, TO ADD, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
UM, AS A NOTE, THIS FORMATTING OF THE DOCUMENT AND THE TIMELINES SHOULD LOOK VERY FAMILIAR TO YOU BECAUSE IT KIND OF WORKS AS A SET WITH THE PRE-APPROVED PAINT COLOR.
DOCUMENT IT, AND IT DOES SAY FINAL DRAFT ON THE COVER OF THE DOCUMENT.
WE KNOW THAT, UM, THERE'S ADDITIONAL ORGANIZATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WISH TO MAKE, PLUS, OF COURSE, INCORPORATING YOUR COMMENTS AND WE NOW HAVE OUR OWN WORD VERSION IN HOUSE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE WORKING WITH THAT.
SO ORIGINALLY THIS TYPE OF DOCUMENT WAS ANTICIPATED AS A PART OF THE CODE AMENDMENTS AND THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE ADOPTED IN 2021.
SO THIS IS A, A NATURAL NEXT STEP IN THAT PROCESS.
UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, OUR ANTICIPATED USERS ARE PRIMARILY OWNERS AND APPLICANTS, BUT OF COURSE STAFF AND THE BOARD AS WELL.
AND THE GOAL IS TO CLARIFY THE WAIVER PROCESS FOR THE USE OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS.
SPECIFICALLY WHAT MATERIALS REQUIRE A WAIVER, WHAT MATERIALS ARE BEST SUITED IN WHICH LOCATIONS, UM, WHETHER IN THE DISTRICT OR APPENDIX G OR ON ACTUAL HISTORICAL BUILDINGS VERSUS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A READABLE BUT COMPLETE APPROACH TO ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS.
SO GOING THROUGH THE TOPICS THAT ARE IN THIS DOCUMENT, THERE'S A INTRODUCTION THAT INCLUDES THE IMPORTANCE OF USING A PRESERVATION ARCHITECT.
UM, SIMILARLY, THERE'S UM, INFORMATION ON THE USE OF QUALITY MATERIALS FOR DURABILITY AND LONGEVITY, AND THEN THERE'S A MATERIALS OVERVIEW WHERE THE EMPHASIS IS ON REPAIR RATHER THAN REPLACEMENT, WHICH OF COURSE IS ALWAYS, UH, THE BEST CHOICE IN A PRESERVATION SITUATION.
THERE'S DISCUSSION OF CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, THE WAIVER PROCESS.
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S A, A BUILDING CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM USED THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THOSE LITTLE ABBREVIATIONS THAT ARE SHOWN AT EACH SECTION.
AND THEN THE TYPES OF MATERIALS ARE, UM, GONE THROUGH IN SORT OF DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND, AND THOSE CATEGORIES ARE LISTED ON THIS SLIDE.
AND THEN FINALLY, THERE ARE APPENDICES THAT INCLUDE PRODUCT NAMES AND MANUFACTURERS, UM, AND THE TIMELINES AND TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THESE TIMELINES, AGAIN, THEY MIRROR WHAT WAS PROVIDED FOR THE, UM, PRE-APPROVED PAINT COLORS.
UM, THESE ARE JUST SMALL SECTIONS FROM EACH TIMELINE SINCE THEY'RE RATHER
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LARGE AND COMPLEX.BUT THIS PART COMPARES THE BUILDING TYPES AND TIMEFRAMES TO STYLES AND STYLISTIC ELEMENTS AND IS THE PRECURSOR TO THIS MUCH MORE DETAILED TIMELINE THAT INCLUDES DETAILS ON ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS WITHIN THE DOCUMENT.
SO HERE WE SEE FOUNDATION MATERIALS, ROOF MATERIALS AND ELEMENTS, DIFFERENT TRIM ELEMENTS THAT MIGHT SHOW UP, PORCH AND DECKING MATERIALS AND ORNAMENTAL, UM, FEATURES, WINDOW TYPES AND SHUTTERS, AND THEN ENTRY AND GARAGE DOORS.
SO FINALLY TAKING A LOOK AT THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.
UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS WHAT THE BOARD WAS ENVISIONING AND ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR MODIFICATIONS THAT SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED.
AND THEN WE HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT FIBERGLASS OR FIBERGLASS COMPOSITE WINDOWS AND DOORS FOR THE DISTRICT AND WHETHER THOSE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE OR MAY BE APPROPRIATE UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS BY THE BOARD.
AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE DOCUMENT, WE THOUGHT IT WASN'T FAIR TO ASK EVERYBODY TO READ IT IN THE FOUR DAYS OR SO.
WE'VE HAD IT DIGEST IT, RED LINE IT, AND COME BACK WITH A DETAILED LINE BY LINE DISCUSSION, ALTHOUGH SEAN'S ALREADY POINTED OUT TYPOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THE GOAL IS TO TALK ABOUT THESE GENERAL TOPICS TONIGHT.
UM, AND WE CAN, AND SOME OF THEM MAY INCLUDE SOME OF THE DETAILS AND THAT'S FINE.
UM, BUT NOT GO INTO MAYBE THE DETAILS OF EVERY MATERIAL THAT'S OUTLINED IN THERE.
SO, UM, DOES ANYBODY WANNA START WITH THAT FIRST QUESTION BEFORE WE DO THAT? COULD I ASK A TECHNICAL QUESTION? SARAH, YOU MENTIONED A WORD COPY THAT THE STAFF WAS GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO.
COULD WE HAVE ACCESS TO IT ALSO SO THAT OUR OH, SURE.
RATHER THAN ASKING YOU TO PRINT IT OUT FOR US TO HAND WRITE ON, IF YOU COULD JUST SEND US THE WORD DOCUMENT, WE CAN YES, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT WAY WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE, UM, THE ONEDRIVE FOR NEXT MONTH OR UNLESS YOU'D LIKE IT SOONER.
UM, IF WE'RE, ARE WE GONNA DIS OH NO, WE'RE NOT.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING IT NEXT MONTH, SO AS SOON AS YOU CAN GET IT TO US.
BECAUSE IT DOES REQUIRE, I, I'M USED TO EDITING ONLINE AND IT'S HARD COPY.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A TWO-SIDED HARD COPY THAT I COULD SCRIBBLE ON AND MAKE NOTES AND CROSS-REFERENCE ON? SURE.
THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
I NEED SOMETHING TO KIND OF SCRIBBLE ON SO I CAN KEEP SOME NOTES.
IT'S NOT THE MOST SUSTAINABLE WAY, BUT, AND THEN, I MEAN, IF WE DO SCR, I MEAN CERTAINLY IN THE WORD DOC, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO THEN USE THE EDIT FEATURE AND MAKE COMMENTS KIND OF ON THE SIDE OF THE WORD DOC? I MEAN, AS, AS A SORT OF KIND OF STRIKETHROUGH, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO JUST HIGHLIGHT SECTIONS WITH OUR INITIALS AND JUST KIND OF THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.
DO MORE COMMENT BOXES AS OPPOSED TO STRIKETHROUGHS IN THIS MM-HMM.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO IT BY HAND, THAT IS FINE AS WELL.
BUT WE CAN COMPILE ALL OF THESE COMMENTS AND KIND OF SEE IF WE START SEEING SOME THEMES AND IDEAS.
SO, UH, HAVING PARTICIPATED IN MANY DOCUMENTS WITH MANY EDITORS, THAT CAN BE ALSO CONFUSING.
SO HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY COMMENTING ON THE DRAFT? ANYONE HAS, EVERYBODY IN THE STAFF FINISHED THEIR COMMENTS? WE HAVE GONE OVER THE COMMENTS AS A SMALL GROUP AND DECIDED ON SOME ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AND THEN SOME OF THESE SORT OF LARGER QUESTIONS.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, STAFF IS KIND OF DONE WITH THOSE COMMENTS, SO IT WOULD BE U FIVE.
SO NOW IS THE IDEAL TIME TO DO THIS, BUT IF WE CHOOSE TO SAY, LIST OUT SOME COMMENTS OR JUST THOUGHTS FOR CONSIDERATION IN A EMAIL MEMO, WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
HOWEVER YOU WISH TO GET COMMENTS TO US.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FORMATS THERE WERE,
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EVERYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN.HOW ABOUT, LET'S LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.
IS THIS THE KIND OF DOCUMENT OR FORMAT THAT YOU WERE ENVISIONING? I CAN FROM, I HAVE TO ADMIT IT WAS PROBABLY MORE EXPANSIVE THAN I HAD ACTUALLY THOUGHT WHEN, WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS.
SO, UH, FIRST THING, I THINK FIRST LAYOUT, UH, I THINK IT'S A NICE INTRO ON HOW WE'VE DONE THAT.
SO I WOULD SAY I HAVEN'T READ THROUGH THE WHOLE THING, SO TRYING TO GO, AS YOU SAY, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, SO TRYING TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THAT, UH, THE FORMAT I THINK IS FINE, BUT I MIGHT NEED A LITTLE HELP ON SOME OF THE INTERPRETATION.
JUST, I MEAN, THAT'S ME ON THE PER ON MY, MY PERSONAL, MAYBE NOT THE KNOWLEDGE ON SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PARTS OF THAT, BUT FOR ME, I THINK IT'S SUPER, I THINK FROM A FORMAT STANDPOINT IT'S WELL DONE.
IT'S CLEAR ON WHICH MATERIALS THEY ARE, UH, HOW THEY'RE USED.
I'LL HAVE TO READ THROUGH IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND, BUT FOR ME, I, I THINK IT WAS EVEN MORE THAN I WAS EXPECTING, QUITE, QUITE HONESTLY.
BUT I THINK ONCE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE FORMAT AND THE TERMINOLOGY, I THINK IT'LL BE, I THINK IT'LL BE QUITE USEFUL.
ARCHITECTS, I THINK PROBABLY GARY'S AN ARCHITECT, MAYBE THEY FIND IT IN A USEFUL, ALSO IN A MORE DETAILED WAY.
BUT FOR ME, I THOUGHT IT, I THINK IT WILL BE USEFUL.
I JUST NEED TO READ THROUGH AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW, REALLY HOW TO USE IT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S VERY THOROUGH.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL IN THERE.
OBVIOUSLY I'VE TOOK MY RUN THROUGH IT AS WELL.
UM, THE GLOSSARY ON THE BACK, I DON'T KNOW HOW, IT'S LIKE PAGE 70 SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKING SURE THEY KNOW THAT'S THERE.
I THINK THAT WAS IN THE OUTLINE THAT THE GLOSSARY WAS ON THE BACK.
UM, THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER ITEM THAT I SAW, BUT I, I, I THINK THERE'S SOME GREAT DETAIL IN THERE AND I, I LIKED THE WAY IT WAS LAID OUT.
KATE, I'LL SPEAK UP SINCE I'M THE ONLY ARCHITECT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS FAR TOO COMPLICATED.
I, I THINK IT COULD BE DRAMATICALLY SIMPLIFIED.
UM, I DON'T THINK, UH, WE NEED MATERIALS IN THERE THAT WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER OR HAVE NEVER SEEN.
UM, WHAT ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE PARTS OF IT THAT I SAW IS ON, UM, I THINK ROMAN NUMERAL FIVE, WHERE THEY LAY OUT THE GROUNDS FOR APPROVING AN ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS REALLY GOOD.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE KEY.
IF YOU HAVE THAT AND YOU FOLLOW THAT, IT'S ON THE LOWER PART OF PAGE FIVE.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT GOOD QUALITY MEANING, AND, AND SHE, AND SHE GOES ON AS MAYBE THREE OR FOUR LINES, UM, ROMAN NUMER FIVE, UM, AND WHAT SHE TERMS THE FRONT END, WHICH I ALSO THINK IS AN ODD NAME FOR A SECTION OF A REPORT, BUT THAT'S MORE NITPICKING.
UM, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE GROUNDWORK TO APPROVE, YOU HAVE THE GROUND RULES TO APPROVE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA COME DOWN THE ROAD LATER.
AND I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT VINYL WINDOW QUESTION, BOY, THIS, YOU CAN, YOU CAN USE THIS TO BEGIN TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT MATERIALS THAT WE WOULD NEVER SEE.
AND ALSO KNOWING ALL OF THE BACKGROUND, UM, FOR THOSE MATERIALS THAT WE WOULD NEVER SEE.
I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S VALUABLE EITHER.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST CONFUSING.
AND TO ME IT COULD BE SIMPLY A LIST ORGANIZED UNDER THOSE HEADINGS THAT YOU HAD UP THERE A LITTLE EARLIER ABOUT SIDING, WINDOWS, UM, DOORS.
AND, UM, AND IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
AND THEN THE, THEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHERE YOU CAN USE AN ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL AND WHERE YOU CAN'T.
SO WE HAVE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, WE HAVE, UM, AND THE NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, WE HAVE COMPLETELY NEW BUILDINGS, SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CLARIFIED, BUT, BUT I, I LIKE THE END WHERE IT DOVETAILS WITH OUR EARLIER DOCUMENTS.
AND IT'S REALLY, BUT IF, IF WE THINK ABOUT THIS BEING FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TOO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S REALLY INTO PRESERVATION OF THEIR HOUSE, ARE THEY GONNA WANNA WADE THROUGH ALL OF THIS TO GET TO LOOK TO FIND ONE MATERIAL? SO IT, TO ME IT COULD BE SO MUCH, SO MUCH SIMPLER AND THEN I THINK MORE USEFUL TOOL.
AND I THINK THE WAY I LOOKED AT IT, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T READ IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH, UH, OBVIOUSLY I WANTED TO CHECK THE WINDOW SECTION, SO I USED THE, YOU KNOW, TABLE OF CONTENT.
SO I WAS ABLE TO GO RIGHT THERE AND THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO I THOUGHT THE TABLE OF CONTENTS REALLY, IF YOU'RE REALLY DRILLING DOWN, IF I JUST WANT TO CHECK ON WINDOWS, IT DID TAKE ME THERE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH TO LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER INFORMATION THAT'S PACKED IN THERE.
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IT IS A BIG DOCUMENT.SO I'LL PROBABLY NOTICE THAT WHEN I GET THROUGH GOING FROM PAGE ONE TO PAGE 70 SOMETHING AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
BUT THE TABLE CONTENTS WAS VERY HELPFUL.
I HAVE NOT READ THROUGH THE WHOLE DOCUMENT.
I KIND OF SKIMMED IT AND FELT IT WAS REALLY, UM, DETAILED.
AND I KIND OF AGREE WITH YOU, GARY, THAT UM, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THE NEVER SAY NEVER OR THE IDEA THAT, UM, CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES MAY DICTATE A WAIVER FOR THAT PARTICULAR PRODUCT.
AND SO I DON'T LIKE, PERHAPS MAYBE IT BEING AS DETAILED AS IT'S INITIALLY OFFERED.
NOT TO SAY LIKE, I'M TOTALLY BEHIND THE, THE COLOR CHART LIST, THE COLOR LIST, THE APPROVED COLOR LIST.
BUT WHEN WE GET INTO, I, I JUST ALMOST THINK THAT THERE ARE ALMOST TOO MANY VARIABLES FOR EACH PROPERTY AND EACH, UM, FUTURE USE REDEVELOPMENT, UM, IT'S IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY TO BE SAYING, AND THESE ARE THE FOUR YOU CAN USE.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, GARY, ABOUT SAYING, AND WE NEVER APPROVE THESE BECAUSE NEVER SAY NEVER.
WELL, AND THE ONE THING I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AND AND JENNY EVEN PUT THAT IN HER MEMO REGARDING THIS, IS WE'RE NOT CREATING A PRE-APPROVED MATERIAL LIST.
THEY WOULD STILL, THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO COME BEFORE OUR BOARD.
SO IF SOMEONE'S USING ONE OF THESE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS, BUT USING IT IN A VERY UNUSUAL WAY, THE, THE BOARD WOULD STILL HAVE THE OPTION OF SAYING THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE USE OF MATERIAL.
AND TO YOUR POINT, MARTY, IF ONE OF THE MATERIALS THAT WE'RE LESS INCLINED TO USE, LET'S SAY IT'S A, IT'S A STRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN USING THIS MATERIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, EARLIER, OR THERE MAY BE SOME GROUNDS THAT WE, THE BOARD NEEDS THE FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW THAT MATERIAL TO BE APPROVED.
SO, SO I THINK WHAT SHE'S BUILDING IN THERE IS THE BOARD STILL HAS THE FINAL, THE FINAL WORD.
AND IT'S NOT LIKE THESE ARE ABSOLUTES, BUT DON'T YOU THINK IT'S A BIT MISLEADING TO HAVE THEM LISTED OUT AS BEING APPROVABLE OR NOT APPROVABLE? I, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT MAY, MAYBE IT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
THESE ARE MATERIALS THAT THE BOARD HAS CONSIDERED IN THE PAST, UM, AS POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING DON'T GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT IT'LL AUTOMATICALLY BE APPROVED.
AND WE'VE EVEN HAD THAT PROBLEM IN HEARINGS WHERE WE'VE HAD A PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER COME IN AND SAY, UH, WELL THIS WAS DONE AT THIS PROPERTY, WHY NOT HERE? AND WE'VE HAD TO EXPLAIN WHY NOT HERE.
SO TO OFFER AN OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME CURRENT PRODUCTS OUT THERE THAT ARE ABLE TO BE USED IS, IS A GREAT IDEA.
BUT TO CREATE CONFUSION BY SAYING, WELL, THESE HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND THESE HAVEN'T, I, I, AND I'M REALLY AT A DISADVANTAGE 'CAUSE I HAVE NOT READ THE DOCUMENT THROUGH TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AND THAT'S WHY I WANT IT IN HARD COPY.
SO I CAN SCROLL BACK AND WRITE THERE AND, AND MAKE COMMENTS THAT ARE MORE GLOBAL AND MORE, UH, OR MAYBE EVEN MORE SPECIFIC WHERE I THINK IT'S A BIGGER PROBLEM.
SO THAT'S ALL I, I'M, I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT WE ARE NOT PROCEEDING BECAUSE I THINK I WOULD'VE ABSTAINED
BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT YET.
UM, THE FLIP SIDE WORKS FOR ME TOO, AND I, WHILE I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS, I, I DON'T WANT US TO PRESENT A, UM, OR AT LIST A TOPIC THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DISINCLINED OR A, UM, AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DISINCLINED TO ADOPT AT ALL.
SO IF IT'S LISTED, DOES IT THEN BECOME AN ARGUMENT FOR SOMEONE TO SAY, WELL, YOU LISTED IT IN YOUR ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID THAT YOU RARELY ADOPT IT.
SO I'M AFRAID OF LISTING THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DISINCLINED, IT'S FINE IF THEY COME TO US OUT OF THE BLUE BLUE AND SAY, EVEN THOUGH THIS WASN'T IN YOUR SUGGESTED ALTERNATIVES, WOULD YOU CONSIDER IT THIS TIME AROUND? YEAH, WELL OF COURSE WE'LL REVIEW IT, BUT TO LIST IT GIVES THEM THE IDEA THAT WE'RE LIKELY TO APPROVE IT.
UM, AND MY OTHER COMMENT OR QUESTION PROBABLY GOES UNDER QUESTION NUMBER FOUR, BUT I'LL JUMP TO IT NOW WHILE I HAVE THE THE MIC.
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UM, HOW DO YOU PLAN ON UPDATING THIS? BECAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS COMING UP WITH NEW MATERIALS MM-HMM.SO OUR VISION, WHICH IS NOT COMPLETELY SOLIDIFIED YET, BUT I I CAN ENVISION, UM, MAYBE EVERY YEAR WE REVIEW THIS DOCUMENT AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S, WHAT'S NEW, WHAT'S WORKED, WHAT'S NOT WORKED? AND THEN, UM, WITH YOUR DIRECTION, STAFF CAN NOW UPDATE THE DOCUMENT ACCORDINGLY.
ACTUALLY, EVERY YEAR SOUNDS VERY APPLICABLE AND GOOD.
YEAH, BECAUSE, AND YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN ME HOW FREQUENTLY NEW MATERIALS COME ON THE MARKET.
I MEAN, WE, WE COULD, THERE'S A NEW MATERIAL EVERY DAY, PROBABLY MM-HMM.
BUT I THINK IF WE CAN SORT OF COLLECT THE WAIVERS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OVER THE YEAR, UM, THAT ARE MAYBE NEW MATERIALS THAT WE HADN'T PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED, AND THEN WE CAN SORT OF DROP THOSE INTO THE DOCUMENT.
IF, IF WE SEE THAT IT'S WORKED OUT WELL, I'LL, I'LL JUST GO BACK AND REINFORCE MY EARLIER POINT.
IF YOU HAVE A REALLY CLEAR STANDARD THAT'S USED, THAT'LL MAKE IT A LOT EASIER.
UM, IF YOU SAY, THIS IS THE STANDARD THAT WE'RE GONNA BASE THESE DECISIONS ON, BOTH FOR THE BOARD TO APPROVE NEW ONES AND TO INCLUDE NEW ONES IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO I JUST, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE FIRST THING I WAS LOOKING FOR WHEN I READ THIS, IS THIS, THIS BECOMES NOW A DOCUMENT THAT PEOPLE USE AS KIND OF A BIBLE AND WHAT'S IT, WHAT'S IT ALL BASED ON? SO I THINK THAT HAS TO BE IMPORTANT.
ANYBODY, JUST TO FINISH WITH NUMBER TWO, DOES ANYBODY SEE ANY ADDITIONS? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME MODIFICATIONS THAT DIDN'T INVOLVE ADDITIONS TO THIS REPORT.
UM, DOES ANYBODY SEE ANY OTHER MODIFICATIONS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED? OKAY, AND NOT RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN REALLY OPINE VERY MUCH ON THIS YET.
MANY OF THESE SUGGESTIONS, WOOD IS PROBABLY THE MOST SUSTAINABLE MATERIAL WE COULD USE ON THESE PROJECTS.
SO, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S TOO COMPLICATED BECAUSE I, I WAS READING THROUGH HER DESCRIPTION AND EVEN THE DESCRIPTIONS, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TYPES OF SIDING THAT SHE PROPOSES AS ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT THOSE, THOSE WILL HAVE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY NEED TO BE, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
SHOULD THAT BE WORKED INTO THIS? OR IS IT JUST ASKING TOO MUCH TO DO THAT? BUT, BUT I KNOW THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE COUNCIL.
THEY, WE ALWAYS, THEY ALWAYS TALK ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY BEING A GREEN COMMUNITY.
AT SOME POINT WE SHOULD PROBABLY ADDRESS IT, WHETHER IT'S NOT IN THIS OR IN ANOTHER WAY.
UH, LET'S GO TO SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC.
THE, OUR OPINION ABOUT ITEM THREE, FIBERGLASS AND FIBERGLASS COMPOSITE WINDOWS AND DOORS FOR THE DISTRICT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ONE PROJECT THAT JENNY REFERENCES IN HERE THAT I BELIEVE WE DENIED BECAUSE OF WHAT OUR STANDARDS SAY.
AND SO WE DIDN'T ALLOW THAT INDIVIDUAL TO USE, I THINK IT WAS ANDERSON'S PRODUCT, UM, BECAUSE OF OUR, OUR STANDARDS AT THAT TIME DID NOT ALLOW FIBERGLASS WINDOW MM-HMM.
SO WOULD WE LIKE TO CONSIDER THIS AN ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL? UM, SO THAT'S THE OPEN QUESTION.
IT, LIKE I SAY, UM, WHEN I ORIGINALLY KINDA RESEARCHED IT, YOU KNOW, ONE THING IT KINDA STUCK OUT TO ME IS THAT WITH THE, HAS THE RESIN AND, AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE TO MAKE THE MATERIAL, IT HAD SUCH A LOW HEAT POINT OF LIKE 150 DEGREES.
SO THERE WAS SOME MENTIONS IN THE ARTICLE TO HAVE SOME FIRE SAFETY AWARENESS AND ALSO, UM, I COULD ALMOST STATE WHAT IT IS.
UM, IT SAYS, JUST MAKING IT IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT TO, UH, TAKE PRECAUTIONS FOR FIRES.
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MIKE, WAS THIS SPECIFIC TO FIBER THE MATERIAL? BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S THE FIBERGLASS AND THEN THERE'S THE, THE FX, WHICH ARE TWO DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.THE FIBERGLASS IS PURE AND THE FX, I BELIEVE IS A BLEND.
IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S, I THINK IT IS A BLEND.
AND THAT, I THINK THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION WAS THE BLEND.
SO I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT IT.
I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT MORE RESEARCH AND I JUST DID A QUICK CHECK ON IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD THAT FUTURE STATE BE AN ISSUE FOR A HOMEOWNER OR A BUSINESS THAT PUT THOSE IN AND, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW THEY'RE NOT FITTING RIGHT OR THEY'RE NOT CLOSE, OPENING, CLOSING.
SO JUST LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT MATERIAL.
AND I'M SURE THEY'VE BEEN RESEARCHED TO DEATH, SO THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT WE COULD GIVE US SOME FIRE STANDARDS ON.
WE CAN RESEARCH THAT FOR YOU WHEN I, I'LL JUST, MARTY YOU HAVE YOUR, UM, LIGHT ON.
DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? OKAY.
SO
AND AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE JUST DOING, THEY WERE JUST BEGINNING TO MOVE AWAY FROM REQUIRING EVERYTHING TO BE WOOD, THESE WINDOWS.
AND THEY STARTED ALLOWING MARVIN CLAD WINDOW.
AND THEN THEY CAME AROUND AND, UM, WELL A PELLA NOW THEIR RATIONALE AT THE TIME WAS, OR AT LEAST THE RATIONALE THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED IN THOSE MEETINGS.
NOW THEIR CODE HAS SINCE CHANGED.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IS THAT THE PROFILES THAT MARVIN AND PELLA WERE MAKING PROFILES ON THEIR WINDOWS THAT WERE SIMILAR TO HISTORIC WINDOWS, MEANING THEY WEREN'T EARLIER.
IF, IF YOU LOOKED AT SOME EARLIER VINYL WINDOWS, THE PROFILES ARE REALLY BLUNT.
WHEREAS IF YOU LOOK AT OUR, OUR TRADITIONAL WOOD WINDOWS, THE PROFILES HAVE A LOT OF CURVES WITHIN THE WINDOW AND A LOT, THERE ARE A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL PIECES OF MOLDING THAT GO TOGETHER.
UM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LOT MORE DETAILED PROFILE.
SO THE FEELING THEN WAS THEY WOULD ACCEPT THOSE BECAUSE, AND LOOKING AT THE DEFINITION THAT OUR CONSULTANT HAS, UM, MUST APPEAR ALMOST INDISTINGUISHABLE TO THE HISTORIC MATERIAL UPON INSPECTION.
AND SO THAT WAS THE RATIONALE.
NOW, THESE NEWER WINDOWS, I, I JUST COPIED, UM, AND FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU WANNA LOOK, THIS IS MARVIN'S VERSION OF THESE ARE CROSS SECTIONS OF THE WINDOWS.
AND WHAT YOU SEE IS THE STRUCTURE OF THE WINDOW, NOT JUST THE PART THAT HOLDS THE GLASS, THE SASH, BUT THE PART THAT THE OUTER FRAME, YOU'LL SEE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT SOLID, IT'S ALL FIBERGLASS.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROFILES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY ELABORATE.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL TO THE PROFILE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THESE WINDOWS FROM THE, FROM THE OUTSIDE THERE, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF SIMILARITY TO THE WAY A HISTORIC WINDOW WOULD LOOK IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE SURFACE IS HANDLED.
NOW THESE, THESE WINDOWS ARE STRUCTURALLY FIBERGLASS.
SO PEOPLE HAVE, IT GIVES THE APPEARANCE FROM THE INSIDE AS A OF A WOOD WINDOW.
AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR HOW YOU HANDLE THE INSIDE.
BUT I THINK THE FIBERGLASS WINDOWS HAVE CHANGED A LOT.
SO THAT, AT LEAST LOOKING AT, UM, WHAT I THINK IS A GOOD DEFINITION, UM, THEY WOULD MEET THIS DEFINITION.
I'M ON PAGE FIVE AND IT SAYS, ANY ALTERNATIVE SHOULD BE OF GOOD QUALITY.
AND THE PROPOSED MATERIAL MUST NOT ONLY APPEAR TO BE ALMOST INDISTINGUISHABLE, BUT IT ALSO MUST MAINTAIN ITS APPEARANCE AND FUNCTION FOR CONSIDERABLE DURATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE FIBERS, BUT THE, UH, THE FIBERGLASS PRODUCTS ARE A LOT MORE STABLE THAN THE VINYL WINDOWS.
AND UM, NOW THEY HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND AS LONG AS WOOD WINDOWS.
SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE DURATION, BUT TO ME THESE POTENTIALLY MEET THE STANDARDS THAT ARE LISTED THERE.
UM, THAT'S JUST MY, MY 2 CENTS WORTH.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, COMMENTS? THE ONLY ONE FOR ME, IT'S ABOUT THE, HOW IT'S HOLDS UP OVER THE TIME OF WHEN YOU HAVE SUNLIGHT ON THEM, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND I HAVE TO ADMIT, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE, IF THERE'S A LOT OF DATA OR NOT ON, ON WHAT
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BUT YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN.
BUT ALSO APPEARANCE, AS YOU SAID GARY, IT'S THAT THEY'RE MAKING THEM NOW MORE TO LOOK LIKE THE OLD WOODEN WINDOWS AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
SO IF YOU CAN GET A BETTER PRODUCT THAT LOOKS FAIRLY SIMILAR, I CERTAINLY WOULD CONSIDER IT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME OPENNESS TO IT IF WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE LONG, THE LONGEVITY OF THE MATERIAL.
AND IF I COULD GET THAT SHEET THAT YOU HANDED AROUND GARY, I'D SURE I WOULD BE HAPPY TO.
ONE FOR CASEMENTS AND ONE FOR DOUBLE HUNGS, BUT, BUT THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE STRUCTURES THE SAME.
OH, ONE CASE BEING A NON-TECHNICAL WINDOW PERSON, I DIDN'T NOTICE.
WELL I ONLY SAW ONE, BUT
THE OTHER QUESTION WITH THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH WHAT GARY MENTIONED BEFORE THE SUSTAINABILITY ISSUE.
ONE COPY, WHETHER IT CHANGES OUR MIND ABOUT WHETHER TO INCLUDE IT OR NOT, INCLUDE IT OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT TO LOOK INTO THAT, YEAH, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL FLEXIBILITY ON THAT.
IS THAT ACCURATE, EVERYBODY? OKAY.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FORMAT, UM, THAT PEOPLE NEED TO REVIEW THIS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS? OKAY, I I I HAD ONE LAST THOUGHT WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THERE'S TALK THAT WHAT CON HOW WE DEFINE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE MAY CHANGE.
DO YOU THINK THAT'LL HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THIS? AND WILL THAT BE DETERMINED BEFORE THIS IS FINISHED? IT PROBABLY WILL, WILL.
I HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON THAT THROUGH SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER.
THAT WHOLE CONTRIBUTING, NON-CONTRIBUTING, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO GET A WORD DOCUMENT FROM PRESERVATION DESIGNS LIMITED IS SO THAT AS THAT EVOLVES, WE CAN GET INTO THE DOCUMENT AND UPDATE THINGS AND NOT HAVE TO MAKE SOMEBODY ELSE DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE FUNDAMENTALLY HOW THIS DOCUMENT WORKS.
IT MIGHT CHANGE WHICH BUILDINGS ARE CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING AND UNDER DIFFERENT NOMENCLATURE, BUT I THINK THAT THE BULK OF THE DOCUMENT WILL, WILL STILL BE VALID.
DID WE GIVE YOU ENOUGH FEEDBACK TO MOVE FORWARD? YES.
SARAH, I MEAN, FOR OUR UPDATE YOU WANT US TO HAVE LIKE KIND OF OUR BULK UPDATE TO YOU LIKE A LITTLE BEFORE THIS MEETING OR DO YOU WANNA DISCUSS IT? HOW, HOW DO YOU WANT US TO, I MEAN, WHEN WOULD YOU, YOU'RE GIVING US A LITTLE HOMEWORK, WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE IT TO BE DUE? JUST IF IT WOULD HELP YOU OR DO YOU WANT US TO JUST TALK ABOUT ALL THE, DISCUSS, DISCUSS IT HERE, HOW? I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE IT, UM, A SUMMIT IN ADVANCE OF THE NEXT MEETING AND I WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT A CALENDAR AND REALLY SEE WHAT GIVES YOU ALL ENOUGH TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AND THEN WHAT GIVES US ENOUGH TIME TO MAYBE MAKE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES OR, UM, REVISE THE MEMO SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF MEMORIALIZE WHAT THE CHANGES ARE AND WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THEM.
SO, UM, LET ME TAKE A LOOK AND I CAN GET BACK TO YOU TOMORROW AND WE WILL KIND OF COME UP WITH A DUE DATE AND UM, GET OUT THE HARD COPIES AND PUT UM, THE WORD DOCUMENT IN THE ONEDRIVE FOR AUGUST SO THAT YOU CAN ACCESS IT IMMEDIATELY.
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NEXT ON THE AGENDA.UH, UH, WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD DAY TO PICK UP THE HARD COPIES BY THE WAY, SARAH? UM, WE COULD HAVE THAT READY FOR YOU TOMORROW IF YOU WISHED, OR, OR FRIDAY.
I CAN HAVE IT FOR YOU TOMORROW.
I'LL SLIDE BY TOMORROW AFTERNOON.
NEED MY DIFFERENT PIECE OF PAPER HERE? UM,
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I HAVE A LOT OF UPDATES FOR YOU AND AS JUST ALLUDED TO, WE HAVE CONTRACTED WITH GREG DALE OF, UM, MCBRIDE, DALE CLARION TO DO AN UPDATE TO THE CODE ON THIS WHOLE CONTRIBUTING VERSUS NON-CONTRIBUTING THAT JENNY TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME SHE WAS HERE.AND ALSO TO GO OVER THE DEMOLITION CRITERIA, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER.
WE ARE BUSY PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER AND THESE WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY FOR RESIDENTS AND OWNERS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO HEAR FROM THEM WHAT ARE THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT EITHER THE CODE, THE PROCESS, THE NOMENCLATURE, THE CATEGORIES, AND JUST KIND OF SUSS OUT WHERE THE AREAS OF CONCERN ARE.
UM, THAT IS TRULY OUR FIRST STEP.
SO I WILL KEEP YOU APPRISED OF THOSE DATES, BUT THEY SHOULD BE COMING IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO.
UH, THE SECOND TOPIC IS OUR SITE TOUR, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR THE 20TH OF SEPTEMBER.
AND UM, WE ARE GETTING A BUS AND OR VAN FOR, UM, EVERYBODY TO GO TO DIFFERENT SITES.
WE HAVE, UM, ONE APPENDIX G PROPERTY, SO IT'S NOT AS EASY AS JUST WALKING AROUND, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THERE WILL BE A PACKET SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT.
AND WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THE TOUR MAP AND SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION, THE STAFF REPORTS SO YOU CAN KIND OF REMIND YOURSELVES AS TO WHAT THE PROJECT WAS ALL ABOUT.
UM, WE WILL BE STARTING AT THE DUBLIN ART CENTER, SO WE CAN SEE THE LOG CABIN CONSTRUCTION AND IT'S NOT FINISHED, WHICH I THINK IS EVEN MORE INTERESTING THAN MAYBE THE FINAL PRODUCT.
AND THEY'RE GONNA, UM, TALK TO US ABOUT THAT PROCESS AND UM, GIVE US SOME DETAILS THERE.
THE THIRD ITEM IS THE SHIPPO'S HERITAGE OHIO ANNUAL CONFERENCE.
I THINK I SENT OUT AN EMAIL ABOUT THIS.
AND, UM, MS. DAMER, UM, YOU WERE INTERESTED IN GOING CORRECT.
SO THAT, UM, CAN BE ARRANGED THROUGH JUDY.
AND IT'S IN DAYTON FROM OCTOBER 10TH THROUGH THE 12TH.
AND THE THOUGHT IS THAT I KNOW WE HAVE STAFF THAT'S AVAILABLE TO GO.
PERHAPS WE CAN AGAIN ALL GET ON THE VAN AND GO TOGETHER.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT I, I PUT THIS QUARTER'S ALLIANCE REVIEW IN THE ONEDRIVE AND THAT'S ALL ABOUT BUILDING ADDITIONS AND SOME SUCCESSFUL EXAMPLES OF BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING EDITION.
SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD, UM, ADDITION THIS MONTH AND THEN COUPLE OF UPCOMING DATES.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN, SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
OPEN HOUSE IS ON THE 29TH, SO THAT'S NEXT TUESDAY FROM SIX TO EIGHT AND THAT IS OVER AT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BUILDING.
UM, ONE OF OUR SPECIAL AREA PLANS, THIS UP UPDATE ROUND IS GOING TO BE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO, UM, THERE'S LOTS OF GOOD INFORMATION AND, AND DISCUSSION TO BE HAD.
AND THEN FINALLY THE JOINT WORK SESSION, AND THIS IS WITH CITY COUNCIL AND ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS HAPPENING ON THE 30TH.
SO THAT'S NEXT WEDNESDAY FROM SIX TO EIGHT.
AND IF ANYBODY KNOWS RIGHT NOW, IF THEY CAN ATTEND MR. KOTTER, I UNDERSTAND YOU CANNOT ATTEND.
CAN EVERYBODY ELSE ATTEND? OKAY, SO WE HAVE FOUR.
AND THAT WILL BE HERE AND UM, DINNER WILL BE A PART OF THAT, CORRECT, JUDY? OKAY.
THAT'S ALL THE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND THERE WERE A PILE OF 'EM,
ALRIGHT, THERE'S BOARD MEMBERS.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA BRING UP? I THINK I MISSED THE TIME ON THE TUESDAY.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN MEETING AT DEVELOPMENT.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN?
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SO MOVED.