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[Case #23-072]
THIS EVENING IS CASE 23 DASH 72 PEN ZONE LIVE WORK BUILDING AT P I D 2 73 0 0 9 1 2 1.THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY LIVE WORK BUILDING AT THE EXISTING PEN ZONE CAMPUS.
THE APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF ACRE SITE IS ZONED BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IS LOCATED SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF VILLAGE PARKWAY AND COOPER STONE DRIVE.
MR. HESHEL, I'LL TURN TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR CASE PRESENTATION.
UH, AS STATED, THIS IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW TONIGHT FOR THE, UH, PENZONE LIVE WORK DWELLING UNIT, UH, WHICH WE'LL BE DISCUSSING HERE.
UH, THIS IS AN OPTIONAL STEP IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, SO THERE'S NO DETERMINATION REQUIRED TONIGHT.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REALLY LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AND SUGGESTIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE OR NOT.
UH, SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS ARE SHOWN CENTRALLY ON THIS, ON THE SLIDE, AND THOSE CONSIDER, OR THOSE INCLUDE, UH, LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND HOW IT ALIGNS WITH THAT, WHETHER THE USE IS APPROPRIATE, UH, GENERAL SITE LAYOUT, CONCEPTUAL ARCH ARCHITECTURE, AND HOW IT INTEGRATES WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT A PORTION OF THE PEN ZONE SITE.
UM, I'LL SAY SITE AS THERE ARE TWO CURRENT BUILDINGS CONSTRUCTED JUST SOUTH OF THIS, BUT THIS IS A, UH, 2.54 ACRE PARCEL IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SITE.
UH, SITS AT THE INTERSECTION OF VILLAGE PARKWAY AND COOPER STONE DRIVE, AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS A SURFACE LOT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY LOCATED ON THIS SITE.
UM, IS WAS APPROVED AS AN OVERFLOW SITE, O OVERFLOW PARKING FOR THE A M C.
UH, BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE IS USED FOR PARKING FOR THIS SITE.
SO AS ENVISION DUBLIN, UH, THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT'S BEING WORKED ON CURRENTLY IS DEVELOPED, UH, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED SOME INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES.
THESE ARE TO BE CONSIDERED WITH ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND THEY RANGE ANYWHERE FROM THINKING COMPREHENSIVELY TO THINKING, UH, IN INTEGRATING SUSTAINABLE DESIGN.
UH, THESE DO NOT SUPPLANT ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WE LOOK AT NEW DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND THIS IS TO GUIDE, AGAIN, GUIDE THE GREATER PICTURE OF WHAT DUBLIN IS GROWING INTO.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE CAPTURED WITH THIS ENVISION DUBLIN, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN COMING UP.
SO THE SITES HIGHLIGHTED IN RED ON YOUR SCREEN, UH, AS SAY THE SITS ALONG VILLAGE PARKWAY, WHICH IS A DISTRICT CONNECTOR, BUT IS ALSO DESIGNATED AS A PRINCIPAL FRONT END STREET, UH, PRINCIPAL FRONT END STREETS HAVE A MORE, UH, SPECIAL DESIGNATION IN THE DISTRICT AS THEY'RE DESIGNATED TO ENSURE CERTAIN STREET TYPES ARE ALIGNED WITH CONTINUOUS PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED BLOCK FACES OF FRONT BUILDING FACADES, AND TO LIMIT CONFLICTS BETWEEN PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICLE, UM, ACCESS.
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AND CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO BRIDGE STREET.SO THERE ARE SOME TWO ACCESS POINTS THAT, UM, ARE EXISTING, AND THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO, TO FUNCTION AS THE TWO ACCESS POINTS FOR THIS SITE MOVING FORWARD.
BUT JUST TO CONSIDER AS WE, UH, LOOK AT ANY DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD HERE.
THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS ITS OWN SET OF STANDARDS.
UH, THEY'RE ADDITIONAL TO THE STANDARDS YOU SEE IN BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
UH, THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE TO PROVIDE ACTIVE MIXED USE, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT ENCOURAGES INTERCONNECTED SITE LAYOUTS WITH PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
UH, THIS SITE DOES NOT SIT NEXT TO ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS SUCH AS GATEWAY LOCATIONS, UH, OPEN SPACE NODES OR OPEN SPACE CORRIDORS LIKE WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
SO THOSE ADDITIONAL ITEMS AREN'T CONSIDERED HERE.
UH, JUST WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE INTENT OF THIS DISTRICT, UH, AND THEN ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD APPLY.
SO, SO THIS SITE CURRENTLY SITS WITH A, UH, 260 SPACE OVERFLOW PARKING LOT, WHICH WAS APPROVED BACK IN JUNE OF 29, OR SORRY, 1990, UH, WITH THE A M C PARKING LOT EXPANSION.
SO THIS WAS INCLUDED AS A CROSS PARKING AGREEMENT WHEN THIS WAS BUILT.
UH, AND WHEN THE PEN ZONE, THE ORIGINAL PEN ZONE SALON WAS BUILT IN SEPTEMBER OF THAT YEAR.
SO PENZONE ONE IS THE ORIGINAL, UH, PENZONE SALON, WHICH IS CENTRALLY ON THE SLIDE.
AND THEN IN 2016, THE GRAND SALON WAS BUILT, UH, TO BRIDGE STREET STANDARDS ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THIS SITE.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL LIVE WORK DWELLING USE, WHICH IS A TWO STORY LOFT BUILDING, ABOUT 6,718 SQUARE FOOT TOTAL, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO STORIES HERE.
UH, AND THAT'S LOCATED ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, ESSENTIALLY ON THE SCREEN.
UH, BECAUSE THIS IS TAKING THE PLACE OF EXISTING PARKING LOT, IT'S REMOVING ABOUT 152 SPACES.
UH, EVEN THOSE, THOSE SPACES WOULD BE REMOVED.
THERE'S STILL ADEQUATE PARKING FOR BOTH THE GRAND SALON AND THE CURRENT OFFICE BUILDING.
UH, SO IT WOULDN'T BE IMPACTING THOSE, THOSE PARKING CALCULATIONS.
ALONG WITH THIS, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME CONCEPTUAL SITE LAYOUT, UH, FOR FUTURE EXPANSIONS ON THIS SITE, WHICH WOULD BE CONSIDERED PHASE TWO.
THOSE ARE NOT BEING BROUGHT FORWARD WITH THIS LIVEWORK BUILDING.
UH, AT THIS MOMENT, THEY'RE PROVIDED JUST TO SEE WHAT THE, THE GRAND VISION IS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AS OR FOR THIS SITE AS IT MOVES FORWARD.
SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE HERE ARE TWO AND THREE STORY LOFT BUILDINGS ALONG VILLAGE PARKWAY, A PUBLIC GREEN SPACE, AND A FUTURE POCKET PARK.
UH, BUT FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT, UH, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE LIVE WORK, WHICH IS, UH, ON THAT NORTHERN PORTION, OR SORRY, THE, THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE.
SO WITH THE INFORMAL, UH, ANALYSIS OF CODE REQUIREMENTS, OR USUALLY NOT PROVIDED, UH, BUT WE DID, STAFF DID WANT TO PROVIDE TWO REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE EVIDENT, UH, THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE MET WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD.
AND THOSE WOULD BE REQUIRED BUILDING ZONE AND THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE.
THESE ARE REQUIREMENTS IN BUILDING SITING FOR ALL BUILDINGS IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
UH, SO WAIVERS WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UH, SO THE REQUIRED BUILD ZONE, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS, UH, IT REQUIRES BUILDINGS TO BE LOCATED WITHIN ZERO TO 15 FEET OF THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, WHICH FOR THIS SITE WOULD BE VILLAGE PARKWAY.
AND THEN THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE IS 75% OF THAT STREET FRONTAGE NEEDS TO BE OCCUPIED WITH A BUILDING.
UM, THERE ARE SOME AVENUES TO ALLOW FOR, FOR OPEN SPACE TYPES TO OCCUPY THAT, BUT THE MAJORITY OF IT NEEDS TO BE BUILDING.
UH, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, JUST WITH THIS PHASE ONE, NEITHER OF THESE WOULD BE MET AS THIS BUILDING IS SET BACK APPROXIMATELY 135 FEET FROM VILLAGE PARKWAY.
UH, SO IT WOULDN'T IT BE MEAN THAT REQUIRED BUILD ZONE, AND THEY WOULDN'T BE OCCUPYING THAT FRONT PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE.
SO IF THIS WERE TO BE SUPPORTED MOVING FORWARD, THEY WOULD REQUIRE WAIVERS TO BOTH OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE APPLICANT ALSO PROVIDED, UH, SEVERAL PROPOSED CHARACTER IMAGES OF WHAT THIS BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD.
THAT IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ADDRESSING THIS AS.
AND IT IS TWO STORIES FOR THE MOST PART, WITH SOME ONE STORY FEATURES.
UM, THIS IS GONNA FEATURE, UM, SOME LIVING QUARTERS, BUT ALSO A GALLERY FOR THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN THAT LIVE WORK, UH, USE TYPE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE, THE DESIGN ELEMENTS, THE MATERIALS THAT ARE USED, THE MORE MODERN ARCHITECTURE.
UM, IT DOES RESEMBLE STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED THAT IT DOES RESEMBLE SOME FEATURES OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THAT BUILDING TYPE IS NOT PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT, BUT THEY ARE STILL LOOKING TO ALIGN THIS WITH A LOFT BUILDING TYPE.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS THIS MOVES FORWARD.
SO WITH THAT, UH, THERE ARE THREE QUESTIONS FOR YOU TONIGHT.
THE FIRST IS REGARDING, UH, THE PROPOSED BUILDING LOCATION FOR THE LIVE WORK, LIVE WORK DWELLING.
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THE SECOND IS FOR THE CONCEPTUAL MASSING AND ARCHITECTURE OF THE STRUCTURE.AND THEN THE THIRD IS TO CONSIDER THE FUTURE PHASES OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THAT FITS IN, UH, TO THE OVERALL SCOPE OF NOT JUST THE SITE, BUT OF THE AREA AROUND IT.
SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THERE MAY BE.
OTHERWISE, OUR APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE.
WE'LL HAND ALL QUESTIONS SEPARATELY FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING.
UH, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE FOR STAFF.
AND WE'LL START WITH MR. SCHNEER.
ZACH, I, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THE, UH, THIRD DISCUSSION QUESTION ABOUT THE FUTURE PHASES, BECAUSE IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU INDICATED WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THE, THE FUTURE PHASES.
AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE BEYOND CONCEPTUAL, WHICH IS NOT A CRITICISM, JUST THEY'RE JUST SOME DRAWINGS.
SO WHAT IS, WHAT SHOULD BE OUR POSITION RELATIVE TO DISCUSSING FUTURE PHASES AT THIS POINT? SURE.
UH, SO I THINK THE FIRST TWO QUESTIONS DEFINITELY SET THE TONE FOR THE THIRD ONE.
SO THE FIRST TWO, LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY THE LIVE WORK DWELLING, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE SCOPE OF A FUTURE PHASE.
AGAIN, IT'S BEEN INDICATED THAT THAT'S NOT COMING FORWARD RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S TO SHOW HOW THIS PLAYS IN.
SO IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, BUT LOOKING AT, AT HOW THEY'RE PROPOSING THIS LIVE WORK DWELLING AND HOW THERE ARE ASPECTS OF IT THAT WOULD REQUIRE WAIVERS, I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S STAFF IS LOOKING TO GAIN FEEDBACK ON TONIGHT.
UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT FUTURE PHASING, BUT IT'S NOT GUARANTEED TO, TO COME, UH, AS IT WOULD BE A FUTURE PHASE.
MR. CHINOOK, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DID.
UM, CAN, CAN YOU TALK, ERIC, UH, I GUESS EXPAND ON THE OVERFLOW AGREEMENT WITH A M C.
DOES THIS HAVE ANY RAMIFICATION, OBVIOUSLY TAKING A LOT OF SPOTS FROM THEM, BUT IS THERE SOME AGREEMENT WITH A M C OR DOES A M C HAVE THAT COVERED NOW THAT THAT WAS WAY BACK IN 1990? SURE.
SO I, I KNOW THAT OWNERSHIP OF THIS SITE, OF THIS LOT HAS CHANGED, UM, SIMILAR TO THE RETENTION POND THAT'S SOUTH OF THIS, THAT'S CURRENTLY OWNED AND STILL, UM, FEEDS INTO THE DUBLIN VILLAGE CENTER DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE SAME WITH A M C IN THIS PARKING LOT.
SO I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION OF WHETHER THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS STILL REQUIRED OF THEM.
I WOULD PROBABLY LOOK TO OUR APPLICANT TO SEE IF THAT'S INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY HAVE.
OBVIOUSLY, IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WANNA, WE'D WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STILL ACCOMMODATING THE PARKING THAT THEY NEED FOR A M C.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND JUST TO PIGGYBACK THAT, FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, WHILE THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY GET INVOLVED IN THOSE PRIVATE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN ENTITIES, WE DO GET INVOLVED IN PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.
SO SHOULD THIS PROCEED TO A NEXT STAGE, WE WOULD EXPECT, SHOULD WE EXPECT TO SEE THAT BROUGHT FORWARD BY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE, THE, UH, AFFECTED PARCELS ARE MEETING THEIR OWN PARKING REQUIREMENTS? THAT IS CORRECT.
MR. WE, SO THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF, AND MAYBE WE CAN GET AN ANSWER FROM BOTH IN THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
SO THERE'S THESE EASEMENTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED THAT RUN THROUGH THE SITE.
I I COULDN'T FIND ANY EXPLANATION OF WHAT THOSE EASEMENTS WERE FOR.
UM, DO IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION OF WHAT THEY ARE? WE CAN GO TO THE APPLICANT FOR THAT.
YEAH, THEY'RE CURRENTLY PUBLIC.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE STORM EASEMENTS.
SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE ACTIVE EASEMENTS ACTIVE, THEY'RE ACTIVE UTILITIES WITHIN EASEMENTS.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE A UNDERGROUND PIPE OR ARE THEY JUST ABOVE GROUND DRAINAGE EASEMENTS.
WE GOT CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THAT WAS UNDERGROUND PIPE.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? I, I HAVE A COUPLE JUST BECAUSE, UM, SINCE WE'RE KIND OF SAYING THAT THIS IS A DWELLING PEOPLE MAY BE LIVING IN, UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT A CONDO AND IT YOU MIGHT HAVE MORE ROOM.
DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING TO LIKE, UH, THEIR CHOICES OF LIKE A POOL OR, UH, ANY KINDA HOT TUBS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT? OR IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A DWELLING, IS THAT ANYTHING THAT'S CONSIDERED IN THAT? IT, SO THE USE ITSELF, UH, CONTAINS BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND THE, THE WORK ASPECT, WHICH WOULD BE THE GALLERY IN THIS, IN THIS CASE MM-HMM.
UM, ANY SORT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WOULD STILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY WHATEVER CODE ALLOWS FOR, FOR THIS.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT MORE ABOUT WHAT WILL BE PERMITTED, BUT TYPICALLY IT FALLS UNDER THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
AND, AND IT'S, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT
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CODE NOT ALLOWING DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES GENERALLY DOES NOT HAVE PROVISION FOR OUTDOOR HOT TUB POOL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.THIS IS SORT OF ITS OWN NICHE USE, UH, OF THAT LIVE WORK DWELLING.
SO THEY MIGHT HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK TO SEE IF THEY COULD PUT A POOL IN OR, OR GET SOME KIND OF CLARIFICATION OF THAT FROM THE CITY.
IT WOULD, IF IT WERE EVEN CONTEMPLATED BY THE CODE, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO EITHER SEEK A CODE AMENDMENT OR SEEK A REVISION TO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE APPROVED IF THIS MOVES FORWARD.
SO IN EITHER CASE, IT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT LEAST ONCE.
MR. FOXS, OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? MR. SOAK? UM, MR. HEL, WELL, WITH REGARD TO THE FUTURE PHASING, WHICH WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT, BUT ARE SUPPOSED TO, UH, EVALUATE.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE PRIMARY, PRIMARY PROJECT HERE, BUT OF COURSE, WE LEAVE REMNANTS THAT HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH LATER BY SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
SO MY LINE OF QUESTIONING IS, CAN, IS THIS REALISTIC? CAN THIS WORK? HAVE WE DONE ANY, ANY DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT FRONT? UH, THESE FOOTPRINTS OF BUILDINGS, OR RATHER TIGHT, THEY HAVE A VERY FINITE AMOUNT OF PARKING.
DO WE HAVE A POINT OF VIEW ON ALL THAT? AT THIS STAGE? NO.
UM, WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED THAT.
I WOULD PROBABLY LOOK TO CHRIS AND HIS TEAM TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHETHER THAT LAYOUT WORKS.
UM, AGAIN, OUR, OUR FOCUS HAS MOSTLY BEEN WITH THIS LIVE WORK UNIT, UH, AS WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME CONCERNS WITH IT, UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE LOOKING AT A PHASE TWO AND HOW THIS COULD PLAY INTO THAT FACTOR.
UM, BUT AS FOR WHAT THEY'VE PROVIDED, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY FURTHER ANALYSIS ON THAT, THAT PHASE TWO.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. FISHMAN, MINE WILL BE KIND OF REDUNDANT, UH, MR. SNEER, BUT MR. SNEER AND MR. SAK, BUT, UM, WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE, HOW IT'LL PLAY OUT, I GUESS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO SAY IT.
UM, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE SINGLE FAMILY AND SO ON, BUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, HOW'S THE SITE GONNA BE DEVELOPED OUT? YEAH.
AGAIN, SO, UM, WITH THE, THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS BEING THE LIVE WORK DWELLING BEFORE YOU, UM, THAT IS, SHOULD THE APPLICANT CONTINUE PURSUING THIS? IF THEY WANTED TO INCLUDE THOSE ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS, THEY COULD INCLUDE THAT AS A FULL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, RIGHT NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE INTENT IS JUST TO DO LIVE WORK, BUT TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE.
WE, WE CERTAINLY, SIMILAR WITH OTHER SITES, UM, WE WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THEY'RE LEAVING BEHIND CAN STILL BE DEVELOPED.
THAT WE'RE NOT LEAVING REMNANT PIECES THAT A BUILDING MAY LOOK LIKE IT CAN FIT ON, BUT IT REALLY CAN'T HOUSE, UM, ANY SORT OF BUILDING OR SITE LAYOUT THAT, THAT ADDRESSES THE CODE CORRECTLY.
SO WE ARE, WE'RE MINDFUL OF, OF THAT AS WELL, AND MAKING SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT GOES HERE, IT STILL ALLOWS FOR OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE FOR THOSE TO BE, BE DEVELOPED.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WELL, I, I, YEAH, A LITTLE BIT.
UH, MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT, UH, WHEN, WHEN THEY DECIDE TO DEVELOP THE SITE, THEY'LL SAY, WELL, WE HAVE TO DEVELOP IT THIS WAY BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN THIS SPACE AND THE PARKING AND SO ON.
SO, I, I, I THINK WE KIND OF DESERVE TO SEE THE, THE OVERALL PLAN, UM, BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
NOT THAT I'M AGAINST WHAT'S HERE.
UM, I, I THINK THAT, UH, UM, BUT I THINK SINCE IT'S KIND OF UNUSUAL FOR THE SPOT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, THE ONLY SINGLE FAMILY AND, AND, AND THERE'S TWO SALONS SITTING THERE, OR SALON AND OFFICE BUILDING, I THINK WE WANNA SEE THE OVERALL PLAN SO THAT WE CAN SAY THEY'RE COMMITTED TO THIS BASIC PLAN.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACTLY, BUT BASIC PLAN BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE INTO, INTO DELIBERATION AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
I JUST HAVE ONE C UH, CONTINUATION QUESTION FROM
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SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER COMMENTS EARLIER.CAN YOU TELL US HOW THE CODE CONTEMPLATES AND SEPARATES THE LOFT MIXED USE TYPE FROM A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING TYPE? YOU CALLED OUT THAT SOME OF THE, UH, FORMS AND FEATURES ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, UH, MORE, UH, ALIGNED TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND LESS TO A LOFT BUILDING.
CAN YOU, UH, CLARIFY HOW THOSE ARE CONTEMPLATED IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT DISTRICT AND MORE SPECIFICALLY THE SAW SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD CODE? SURE.
UH, SO THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING BUILDING TYPE, UH, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COME FORWARD AND SAY, WE WANT TO DO A SINGLE FAMILY BUILDING TYPE IN THE SOMO CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED.
UM, AN APPLICANT COULD COME FORWARD AND DO A LOFT BUILDING TYPE THAT CERTAINLY HAS FEATURES OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AGAIN, BASING THIS OFF OF THE TYPES OF LOFT BUILDINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN, THIS DOESN'T QUITE ALIGN WITH THOSE.
NOT SAYING THAT IT HAS TO, BUT THERE ARE FEATURES OF IT THAT WOULD ALIGN MORE WITH A TYPICAL SUBURBAN SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, UH, SUCH AS THE, THE PATIOS, THE DETACHED GARAGE, AND ATTACHED GARAGE.
AGAIN, FEATURES THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE IN A SUBURBAN HOME, UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT LOFT BUILDING REQUIREMENTS COULD NOT BE MET OR THEY COULD BE MET.
UM, THERE ARE ASPECTS THAT WE'VE POINTED OUT SUCH AS THE BUILDING SIDING LOCATION, WHERE THAT IS CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL BUILDING TYPES IN THE DISTRICT IN TERMS OF BRINGING BUILDINGS UP TO THE STREET.
UM, THERE'S NOT A BUILDING TYPE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT DEEPER, UM, SETBACK FROM, FROM A PUBLIC STREET.
SO THAT IS CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL OF THOSE.
SO IN TERMS OF, IN THE STAFF REPORT AND IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION ABOUT TALKING ABOUT, UM, THEIR ELEMENTS OF IT THAT ALIGN MORE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THAT'S BASED ON REFERENCE TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN, LOFT BUILDINGS, BUT ALSO WHAT WE SEE THROUGHOUT THE CITY WAS MORE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, HOMES.
AND, AND I'M SEARCHING THROUGH THE CODE RIGHT NOW JUST TO FIND LANGUAGE FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE COMMISSION.
UH, WE DO FIND THAT THE LOFT BUILDING IS CONTEMPLATED IN A NUMBER OF AREAS AND WHAT, UH, UM, WHAT REGULATIONS IT WOULD BE SUBJECTED TO SANDS VARIANCE.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE CALL OUT AND DEFINE THE LOFT BUILDING AND ITS PARTICULAR USE.
UM, SO BUILDING TYPES ARE NOT ASSOCIATED BASED ON YOU.
SO I KNOW WE CALL IT MIXED USE BUILDINGS, BUT YOU COULD HAVE A SINGLE USE GO WITHIN A MIXED USE BUILDING.
UM, IT'S, AND WE'VE SEEN THAT IN OTHER INSTANCES.
UM, ONE I CAN THINK OF, I BELIEVE THE PRIMROSE BUILDING WAS A SINGLE USE BUILDING THAT UTILIZED THAT BUILDING TYPE.
UM, IT DOESN'T, THAT BUILDING TYPE DOESN'T QUITE DICTATE AND ALIGN WITH THE USES.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS IN IT ABOUT WHAT FLOORS.
SO SOME GROUND STORY UNITS OR GROUND STORY BUILDINGS CAN'T HAVE RESIDENTIAL IN THEM.
UM, I THINK CORRIDOR IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE IT SPECIFIES AS A, WITHIN THE BUILDING TYPE THAT THE GROUND STORY CANNOT HAVE RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE SECOND THROUGH WHATEVER IT IS, CAN, THAT'S THE ONLY REFERENCE TO USES IN BUILDING TYPES OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC FORM, A SPECIFIC NAME, A SPECIFIC BUILDING TYPE IN THAT.
IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT THAT'S THE BEST I CAN EXPLAIN IT.
THANK YOU, MR. AN OKAY, SO I HAVE A QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
SO, AND I, I'M GOING TO DWELL ON THIS, BUT IT'S KIND OF A BIG DECISION ON THIS.
SO THE, THE, YOU MENTIONED THE SINGLE FAMILY CHARACTERISTICS, AND IS THAT, I GUESS, SOME OF THOSE CHARACTERISTICS HERE, LIKE THE PATIO AND SOME OF THE SPACES MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MORE OF HOW THAT LOWER LEVEL SPACE IS USED, BECAUSE THAT, AS IT SEEMS, IS MORE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, FOR, I, I, AGAIN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE HOURS OPERATIONS AND QUESTIONS AROUND THAT, BUT WHEN, IF, FOR INSTANCE, THE PATIO IS DEEMED TO BE MORE, I'LL JUST PICK ON THE PATIO FOR A SECOND.
THE PATIO IS DEEMED TO BE MORE OF A PUBLIC SPACE AS OPPOSED TO A, FOR THE RESIDENT ONLY.
DOES THAT CHANGE IT OUT OF THAT SINGLE FAMILY CHARACTERISTIC? DOES THAT MAKE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK I FOLLOW WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS
UM, SO PATIOS, WE SEE PATIOS WITH A LOT OF LOFT BUILDINGS, RIGHT? AND, AND TYPICALLY THOSE ARE PROVIDED AS PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.
UM, THEY CAN BE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE FOR THAT BUILDING.
UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATING BASED ON THE USE, I'M NOT AWARE THAT, THAT WE HAVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS THOSE ANSWERS EITHER.
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AT IN VERY GENERAL TERMS, THE FORM OF IT AND HOW IT COMPARES TO WHAT'S AROUND IT, UM, AND HOW IT COMPARES TO WHAT'S EXISTING IN MORE OF A SUBURBAN BASE VERSUS WHAT THE INTENT OF THE CODE IS TO HAVE A MORE URBAN PEDESTRIAN SCALE, BRINGING IT OUT TO THE STREET.THOSE ARE REALLY THE ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THIS STAGE, WHICH HAS LED US TO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
WALK US THROUGH AGAIN, RIGHT, THE SPECIFICS OF, UM, AGAIN, BUILDINGS TO THE STREET, 75%, RIGHT? JUST HASH THROUGH THAT RATHER QUICKLY, AND THEN I'LL HAVE A FEW FOLLOW UPS.
SO HASHING OUT THE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE REQUIRED BUILD ZONE IS A, ALMOST A, A SETBACK ZONE WHERE BETWEEN ZERO AND 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
SO GOING FROM VILLAGE PARKWAY, YOU WOULD HAVE A ZONE FROM ZERO TO 15 FEET THAT THE BUILDING IS REQUIRED TO OCCUPY.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT IF YOU'RE NOT ABIDING BY THAT, THEN YOU HAVE TO GET A, A WAIVER TO IT.
UM, AND THAT IS FOR ANY PORTION OF A BUILDING.
SO IF YOU HAD, SAY, 95% OF A BUILDING THAT WAS IN THAT R B Z, AND THAT 5% IS NOT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A WAIVER FOR, FOR THAT SECTION.
UM, AND THE REQUIRED BUILD ZONE AND THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE ARE CONNECTED IN THIS SENSE BECAUSE FRONT PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE IS BASED ON HOW MUCH OF THAT R B Z IS OCCUPIED BY BUILDING.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT PLAYS INTO, THEY, THEY REALLY DO TIE TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S A TYPICAL, AND, AND A, THAT'S A TYPICAL REQUIREMENT YOU SEE ACROSS MOST BUILDING TYPES WITHIN THIS, THIS DISTRICT FOLLOW UP QUESTION, INDEPENDENT OF INDEPENDENT OF THE LIVE WORK, LIVE WORK, GALLERY RESIDENCE IN THE BACK, COULD WE ACHIEVE THAT ON THIS SITE GIVEN, GIVEN THE EASEMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE CUT UP? I THINK THOSE EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED AS, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE BARRIERS PRESENT ON THE SITE THAT MAKE IT CHALLENGING TO MEET THAT IN SOME AREAS.
UM, AGAIN, THERE IS THE PEN ZONE.
ONE BUILDING IS A BUILDING THAT CURRENTLY DOES NOT ABIDE BY BRIDGE STREET STANDARDS.
UM, AGAIN, SHOULD THAT BUILDING REDEVELOP IN THE FUTURE, WE WOULD ASK THE SAME THING.
THAT IT BRINGS FORWARD DULY NOTE ON THAT.
I, I GUESS I, I WAS TRYING TO MENTAL DO, DO THE MENTAL EXERCISE OF IF I HAVE THESE REQUIREMENTS AND I HAVE THESE EASEMENTS AND EVEN, RIGHT, THE, THE ONE SITE IS WAY DOWN, UH, RIGHT.
GETS RATHER, UM, POINTY, IF YOU WILL, UM, INDEPENDENT OF, AGAIN, INDEPENDENT OF THE THING THAT'S GETTING BUILT IN THE BACK, ARE WE RUNNING HEADLONG AT TOWARDS A WAIVER FOR THIS SITE, REGARDLESS ON SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS? AND AGAIN, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
IT'S NOT BEEN FULLY STUDIED, BUT SURE.
I MEAN, THAT'S CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY.
UM, AND THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE STUDIED WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, THAT THE GOAL IS STILL THAT EVEN IF THAT FULL 75% WERE NOT TO BE ACHIEVED, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL ALIGNING WITH THE INTENT OF DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO BRING BUILDINGS OUT TO THE STREET WHERE WE CAN.
UM, IS THAT, HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO SEE, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS ARE GONNA KIND OF CROSS OVER INTO APPLICANT VERSUS STAFF WORLD.
SO IF I COULD FAST FORWARD A LITTLE BIT TO THE, THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION OR STATEMENT, AND THEN IF WE COULD CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION, WE WANNA CENTRALIZE ON QUESTIONS, NOT ON DELIBERATION YET, BUT WE'D LIKE TO TURN SOME TIME OVER TO THE APPLICANT AND AFTER WHICH WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE PRESS THE BUTTON AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, CHRIS MYERS, MYERS AND ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTS, UH, 2 32 NORTH THIRD STREET, COLUMBUS, 4 3 2 1 5.
MR. MYERS, DID YOU HAVE A STATEMENT THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE? I, I HAVE A LOT.
UM, WELL, FIRST I WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
UM, I REALIZE WE'RE THE ONLY ONE ON THE AGENDA AND WE'RE AN INFORMAL, AND TO, UH, SEE ALL OF YOU HERE TO PARTICIPATE, UH, IN THIS, I'M VERY, VERY GRATEFUL.
UM, ALSO, UH, THANKS TO, UH, JENNY, UH, TAYLOR, AND OF COURSE, ZACH.
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PROBABLY SIX, EIGHT WEEKS AGO AND BROUGHT THEM THIS KIND OF CRAZY IDEA.AND, UH, FROM THEN UNTIL TODAY, UH, THEY'VE BEEN GIVING US FANTASTIC, UH, FEEDBACK AND INSIGHT AND HELPING US NAVIGATE THROUGH THE, THE SORT OF UNIQUENESS OF THIS PROJECT TO SEE HOW WE CAN BRING SOMETHING TO YOU THAT MAYBE MAKES A LITTLE SENSE.
UM, SO TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY, UH, PEN ZONES, UH, MR. PENZONE, CHUCK PENZONE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN THE LATE EIGHTIES.
UM, THE FIRST GRAND SALON, WHICH IS THE BUILDING THEY CALLED, THE ONE, UH, NOW WAS THIS PREMIER GRAND SALON IN THE COUNTRY.
THAT WAS A BRAND NEW CONCEPT, UH, IN THE US.
AND SO IT REALLY STARTED A, A, A BIG SORT OF MOVEMENT, UH, HELPED THEIR BUSINESS GROW, UH, ENORMOUSLY.
AND THEY DID GRAND SALONS THROUGHOUT CENTRAL OHIO.
I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEIR, UH, THEIR HISTORY.
UM, UH, CHUCK AND DEB, UH, CAME TO ME IN 2016 IS WHEN WE FIRST MET, UH, AND WE WERE ACTUALLY TALKING TO THEM ABOUT, UH, DESIGNING A HOME FOR THEM.
UH, AND WE WOULD MEET OVER AT THEIR OFFICES AT THE, UM, ON, ON THIS SITE.
AND WHAT IT LED TO WAS THE CREATION OF A MASTER PLAN, UH, FOR THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY.
SHORTLY AFTER THAT, THE FIRST PHASE WAS THE, THE NEW SALON, WHICH IS ON THE CORNER OF, UM, BRIDGE STREET, RIGHT AT THE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH WE WERE THE ARCHITECT OF, UM, THAT WAS THE LAUNCHING OF THEIR NEW BRAND IDENTITY.
SO YOU CAN CLEARLY SAY THAT YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIRST SALONS AND THE, THE CURRENT SALONS.
SINCE THEN, WE'VE DONE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT TOWN, UH, WITH THEM, AND AGAIN, THEY'VE BEEN, UH, REALLY SUCCESSFUL AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THEIR BUSINESS HAS ALSO GROWN INTO A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT FACETS THAT ARE FOCUSED ON WELLNESS AND, UH, BEAUTY AND, AND, UM, CERTAINLY THE SALON FUNCTIONS THAT THEY HAVE.
SO WHEN WE COMPLETED THAT, UH, FIRST PROJECT, UH, THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES ON THE SITE IN FIGURING OUT HOW DO WE MAKE, UH, THAT BUILDING KINDA WORK WITHIN A LOFT CHARACTERISTIC AND SOME OF THE GUIDELINES OF, UH, BRIDGE STREET.
AND ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE REALIZED WAS THIS GROUP IS REALLY INTEGRAL IN THE CREATION OF ARCHITECTURE, UH, IN DUBLIN, OHIO.
AND SO WE LOOK AT THESE INFORMAL MEETINGS AS A SORT OF A COLLABORATION OF, UH, HELP US HELP THE COMMUNITY KIND OF ACHIEVE, UH, THE BEST EXAMPLES FOR THESE SORT OF UNIQUE PROJECTS.
SO, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY, UH, UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON RENOVATIONS OF THE ONE.
SO THE ONE AS A GRAND SALON WASN'T REALLY NECESSARY BECAUSE OF THE NEW BUILDING BUILDING.
SO IT'S BEEN ALMOST COMPLETELY GUTTED OUT, AND IT'S BEING TURNED INTO ESSENTIALLY, UH, THEIR CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS WITH, UH, OFFICE SPACES.
UH, BUT A NUMBER OF, UH, GATHERING ROOMS, TRAINING ROOMS, UH, THERE'S YOGA FUNCTIONS THAT HAPPEN IN THERE AS PART OF ONE OF THEIR PARALLEL, UH, BUSINESSES.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE IDENTIFIED ON THAT SITE WAS, AS ZACH HAD MENTIONED, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN THE NINETIES, WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE SORT OF GUIDELINES, AND IT WAS KIND OF BUILT BACK FROM THE STREET.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD BRING UP THE BIGGER SITE PLAN, BUT ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THE NEW SALON, AND THE ONE IS A REALLY ENGAGED PEDESTRIAN, UH, AREA BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE STREET.
AND THAT SORT OF THEME IS INTENDED TO CONTINUE AS WE GO, UH, DOWN THE ROAD.
SO WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE DESIGN FOR THE ONE BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME, UM, PATIOS AND WALK SPACES THAT HAVE, UM, SOME CONTROL BASED ON THEIR OPERATIONS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO KIND OF WALKABLE, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT LEADS US TO THE, THE NEXT CALL I GOT WAS, UH, HEY, UM, CHUCK HAS SORT OF, UM, BACKED AWAY FROM A LOT OF THE LEADERSHIP OF THE COMPANY.
UM, HE'S GETTING A LITTLE OLDER, AND HE WANTS TO SPEND HIS TIME HAVING FUN AND DOING ONE OF HIS, UM, UH, MAIN PASSIONS, WHICH IS PAINTING.
AND SO MR. PENZONE HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, BECOME A, A FAIRLY PROMINENT ARTIST.
HE DOES THESE VERY, VERY LARGE FORMAT, UH, VERY MODERN ABSTRACT, UM, PAINTINGS THAT ARE, UH, REALLY BEAUTIFUL.
THE ONE BUILDING RIGHT NOW DOWN IN THE LOWER LEVEL IS WHERE HE'S KIND OF CRAMMED IN THERE, UH, TO WORK ON, UH, HIS ART.
AND IT'S REALLY HAS JUST KIND OF, UH, BECOME SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO EXPAND AND, UH, REALLY BRING TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO THIS IDEA CAME UP OF, UM, TWOFOLD, A PLACE FOR THE ART, NOT ONLY ITS CREATION, BUT TO SHOW IT, UH, BUT ALSO A PLACE TO LIVE.
UH, THE PEN ZONES USED TO LIVE UP IN, UH, POWELL, UH, IN A BIG HOME.
THEY ACTUALLY SOLD THAT HOME, UH, MOVED DOWN TO GERMAN VILLAGE.
THEY HAVE A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE HOME IN, IN GERMAN VILLAGE.
UH, BUT WHAT THEY WERE REALIZING IS THEY HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, 22 MILE COMMUTE BETWEEN GERMAN VILLAGE, UH, AND DUBLIN.
AND THEY'RE COMING UP HERE FOR ALL THE TRAINING AT THE, AT
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THE ONE BUILDING.THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THE NEW SALON.
UH, THEY REALLY ENJOYED, UM, UM, UH, BRIDGE STREET AND ALL OF THE, UH, ACTIVITIES.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR STORY IS ESSENTIALLY, THEY GOT THEIR START IN DUBLIN BECAUSE THIS WAS THE FIRST ONE.
UH, THEY'VE SEEN GREAT SUCCESS HERE.
THEY ENJOY THE COMMUNITY, AND IN THEIR LATER YEARS, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO, UH, GO TO SLEEP AT NIGHT AND NOT HAVE TO DRIVE 22 MILES BACK HOME.
SO THIS IDEA FIRST STARTED WITH HOW CAN WE GET A HOUSE, UH, ONTO THIS PROPERTY? AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT AS WELL VERSED IN THE, IN THE, UH, GUIDELINES AS ZACH, BUT I PRETTY CLEARLY SAY I CAN'T JUST DROP A HOUSE, UH, IN HERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S INTENDED.
AND SO I BROUGHT THEM THIS IDEA OF HOW DO, HOW DO WE MAYBE DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT THAT DOES TWO THINGS THAT REALLY KIND OF BRINGS A, A GOOD, STRONG SOLUTION TO, UH, THE GALLERY NEED AND AN, AND AN ART PROGRAM, AND HOW DO WE, UM, DEVELOP THAT AND ALSO HAVE SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS A PLACE TO, TO REST.
SO I THINK IN YOUR PACKET, I HOPE IN YOUR PACKET, YOU GOT ACTUALLY THE FLOOR PLANS.
NOW, I, I KNOW WE DON'T USUALLY GET INTO THE INTERIOR PLANNING OF SPACES, BUT I THINK THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT HOW THIS PLACE IS INTENDED TO BE USED.
SO, THE PEN ZONES, UM, UH, CERTAINLY AS I MENTIONED, THE, THE ART FUNCTION IN THE, IN THE GALLERIES, UH, BUT THEY ARE, UM, THE, THEY HAVE A, A, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PHILANTHROPIC, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, A FOUNDATION, A LOT OF CHARITABLE, UH, EVENTS THAT THEY PARTICIPATE IN.
THEY ALSO HOST A LOT OF INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS FROM AROUND THE WORLD.
UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SORT OF A, AN OWNERSHIP FORUM, A A GROUP OF SALON OWNERS FROM ALL OVER THE, THE WORLD THAT COME TOGETHER IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UH, AND MEET AND TALK ABOUT BEST PRACTICES.
SO THE PEN ZONES ARE REALLY ONE OF THE LEADERS OF THAT GROUP.
AND SO OFTEN THEY HAVE VISITORS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, IF NOT FROM AROUND THE WORLD, WHO COME IN TO, YOU KNOW, GO, GO THROUGH BEST PRACTICES IN THE SALON.
AND WITH THAT COMES ENTERTAINMENT AND SOCIAL SPACES.
AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE, WE GO DOWN AND WE BASICALLY RENT OUT ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS AT BRIDGE PARK, BUT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S RIGHT HERE ON OUR CAMPUS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS.
SO THIS BUILDING BECAME A, A GALLERY, AN EVENT SPACE, AND ALSO A PLACE FOR THEM TO, UH, TO LIVE.
THERE'S CERTAIN ASPECTS TO IT THAT WE'RE ALREADY THINKING LIKE, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE PEN ZONES? WHAT HAPPENS SOMEDAY WHEN THIS HAS TO BE SOLD OR CONVERTED TO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR AN ARCHITECT'S OFFICE OR SOMETHING? AND SO, UH, CHUCK HAS ME GOING THROUGH ALL THESE CONVERSION DRAWINGS BECAUSE HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MARKETABLE SOMEDAY WHEN HE MIGHT NOT BE THERE.
SO WHEN WE STARTED DESIGNING THIS THING, WE HAD TO BLEND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS INTO SOMETHING THAT, UH, REALLY WORKS WELL WITH THE GUIDELINES OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE FUNCTIONS OF IT AS A GALLERY, I'LL GO THROUGH FIRST.
UH, SO IN THIS ENTRY AREA, THERE'S, UH, PARKING AND ACCESSIBILITY, A DIRECT ENTRY POINT, UH, INTO THE GALLERY SPACE, WHICH HAS, YOU KNOW, NATURAL LIGHT AND OPENINGS AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, COULD EVENTUALLY BECOME A PRIVATE GARAGE IF IT WERE TO CHANGE.
BUT YOU SEE, WE HAVE, UH, STAIRS DOWN TO, THERE'S ACTUALLY A STORAGE AND PRODUCTION SPACE, UH, DOWN BELOW THIS.
THE, THE DETACHED BUILDING RIGHT ACROSS FROM IT IS ACTUALLY, UH, UH, GONNA BE UTILIZED AS A SHOP TO STRETCH CANVASES AND MAKE, UM, THE, THE, UH, PAINTING SUPPLIES.
UH, AND THEN COMING IN, THERE'S A, UH, RAMPED ACCESS TO, UH, GATHERING SPACES, WHICH WHEN NOT IN USE AS A, UH, AN AMENITY FOR A LARGE GROUP IS A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A LIVING ROOM, UM, UH, ELEVATOR TO, UH, BOTH LEVELS.
UM, ALSO MEETING SPACES, RECEPTION SPACE.
UH, THE AREA OVER IN THE LOWER RIGHT IS, UM, PRIVATE OFFICE FOR, UH, A GALLERY MANAGER OR, UH, FOR DEB TO, UH, BE ABLE TO HAVE SPACE IN THE BUILDING.
UH, AND THEN IN THE UPPER RIGHT, YOU SEE THERE'S A DOUBLE HEIGHT, UH, PAINTING STUDIO.
THE POSITION OF THAT IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, IT, IT BACKS UP TO THE WOODED TREE LINE AND ALSO HAS THE PROPER KIND OF NATURAL LIGHTING THAT'S BEST FOR HOW HE LIKES TO DO HIS PAINTING.
UPSTAIRS IS ONE BEDROOM, NOW IT'S THE PEN ZONE.
SO IT'S A VERY NICE BEDROOM, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY A ONE BEDROOM RESIDENCE.
NOW, THE, THE THOUGHTFULNESS OF THAT IS, SEEMS SILLY TO THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, A SUBURBAN HOME, BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A ONE BEDROOM RESIDENCE THAT EVENTUALLY, IF IT NEEDED TO BE, COULD BE CONVERTED TO A CEO'S OFFICE OR A DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR SOMETHING.
SO THE, THE CONCEPTION OF HOW THIS BUILDING CAME TOGETHER, IT'S INTENDED TO KIND OF SOLVE A LOT OF THINGS.
UM, WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING AND, UH,
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THE CONVERSATION WITH THE, UM, WITH STAFF WAS, THIS FEELS A LITTLE LIKE A HOUSE.HOW DO, HOW DO WE GET AWAY FROM IT? BEING A HOUSE? AND, YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTER OF THE ARCHITECTURE IS CERTAINLY, UH, IS SOME, UH, A METHOD TO DO THAT.
UH, SIZE AND SCALE OF THE BUILDING IS ANOTHER WAY.
BUT, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE, THE PRESENTATION OF THE BUILDING AS YOU APPROACH IS THE GALLERY.
THERE'S SIGNAGE, THERE'S PARKING, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A A BIT OF A, A CONTROL POINT TO GET TO SOME OF THE, UM, THE, THE BACK AREAS.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE APPROACH IS, UM, INTENDED TO BE A GALLERY.
NOW, THE USEFULNESS OF A GALLERY LIKE THIS IS MOST LIKELY BY APPOINTMENT.
UM, A GALLERY LIKE THIS THAT HAS A SORT OF A SMALL OPERATING, I DON'T THINK THEY PLAN TO, UM, FUNCTIONALLY RUN IT AS IT'S OPEN NINE TO FIVE FOR THE PUBLIC ALL THE TIME, BUT I THINK THERE'LL BE OPEN GALLERY HOURS AND ALSO BY APPOINTMENT.
UH, AND THAT'S HOW MOST, UH, PRIVATE GALLERY OR MEANING PRIVATE PAINTERS, GALLERIES, UH, ARE DONE.
UM, THE FIRST THING THAT I DISCUSSED WITH THE PEN ZONES, UH, WAS I KNOW THIS COMMISSION, AND I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN UP HERE ON THE FRONT.
SO THE PHASE TWO PORTION OF THE PROJECT IS A LITTLE PREMATURE TO SHOW THE ARCHITECTURE, UH, BUT I ACTUALLY AGREE THAT WE NEED TO ADVANCE THAT FOR YOUR AWARENESS.
UM, AND SO THIS BEING THE INFORMAL, I THINK OUR FOCUS IS FIRST ON, UH, PHASE ONE, UH, IN THE LIVE WORK RESIDENCE AND GALLERY.
UH, BUT I THINK WE OWE IT TO YOU TO GIVE YOU A BETTER SORT OF AWARENESS OF WHAT'S GOING ON UPFRONT.
UM, THOSE TWO FOOTPRINTS OF THE BUILDINGS, JUST FOR A SENSE OF SCALE, THEY'RE ABOUT JUST UNDER 4,000 SQUARE FEET A PIECE.
UH, ONE IS PROPOSED AT THREE STORIES.
THE OTHER IS TWO, THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY EVEN SET IN STONE FOR HEIGHT, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE DIRECTION WAS, GOSH, IT'D BE GREAT IF WE WERE TALLER OR SMALLER OR WHATEVER.
UM, BUT TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF SCALE, RIGHT NOW IT'S CONCEIVED AS AN 8,000 AND A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
UH, WE INTEND THEM TO SORT OF LOOK AND FEEL LIKE THE, UH, THE, THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A LOFT-STYLE BUILDING IN DUBLIN.
UH, THE IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE USED FOR, UH, IS A LOT OF THESE SUPPORTIVE FUNCTIONS AND SERVICES, UH, THAT ARE RELATABLE TO THE PEN ZONES, SO IN THEIR BUSINESS OPERATIONS.
SO THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SUPPLIERS FOR ALL OF THEIR, UH, BEAUTY PRODUCTS THAT THEY SELL IN ALL OF THE SALONS.
UH, THEY ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIALIST TRAINERS FOR SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE.
AND A LOT OF THOSE GROUPS AND COMPANIES HAVE EXPRESSED GREAT INTEREST OF ONE BEING IN DUBLIN AND TWO BEING PART OF THE PENZONE CAMPUS.
AND SO THEY'RE ALREADY TALKING WITH FOLKS ABOUT, UH, BEING TENANTS INTO THESE SPACES.
AND I THINK THOSE SPACES, THE INTENT IS THAT THEY'RE VERY RELATABLE, UH, TO EITHER THE ONE BUILDING, WHICH IS THEIR HEADQUARTERS OR THE NEW GRAND SALON.
SO THE CAMPUS IDEA IS REALLY STILL PART OF THIS.
UH, KIM HAD MENTIONED, UM, SOME OF THE CONDITIONS ON THE SITE, UH, THAT ARE REALLY DRIVING SOME OF THE REASONING BEHIND WHAT'S GOING WHERE AND WHY.
SO THE, THE FIRST THING I'LL TALK ABOUT IS ON THE, ON THE PHASE ONE BUILDING, THE, THE LIVE WORK GALLERY AND RESIDENTS, THERE IS A REALLY BEAUTIFUL, UH, TREE LINE ON THIS SITE, ON THE WEST EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IT'S A WONDERFUL BUFFER, UH, TO THE CONDOMINIUMS AND THE, AND THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY.
THAT'S RIGHT, A ACROSS THERE, WE GOT TO KNOW A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS.
WHEN WE DID THE SALON IN 2018, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH THEM, AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WHAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING, UM, IN, IN THIS OVERALL AREA.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE REMEMBER FROM THAT IS, UM, NOT TO CREATE A BIG DISTURBANCE IN THE BACK, NOT TO CREATE, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PARKING OR MORE, UH, BRIGHT LIGHTS.
AND SO THE THOUGHT WAS, THIS IS KIND OF A NICE PLACE, UH, FOR THIS BUILDING BECAUSE, UH, ONE OF ITS, UH, SIZE AND SCALE THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOUGH TO FIT ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THESE EASEMENT CONDITIONS AND THE ODD SHAPES, UH, THAT WE HAVE ON THE SITE.
UH, BUT NESTLING IT BACK INTO THE TREE LINE, AND THEN ALSO GREATLY ENHANCING THAT TREE LINE OFF TO WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT OR OUR NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
WHAT WE HOPE TO DO IS KIND OF REALLY WRAP THIS BUILDING, UH, INTO THE TREES.
THE BENEFIT FOR, UH, THE ART, UH, THE PAINTING STUDIO ON THAT UPPER RIGHT CORNER, UH, IS BENEFICIAL, BUT ALSO WE THINK IT HELPS MITIGATE THE, THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING IS FURTHER BACK FROM THE ROAD, AT LEAST IN THIS PHASE ONE, UH, COMPONENT.
NOW, THE REST OF THE SITE, UM, I'M GONNA START WITH THE LOWER LEFT.
SO WE'RE MAINTAINING THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
UH, YOU DO NOTICE WE'RE GETTING RID OF ALMOST 150
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PARKING SPACES.THE CONDITION THAT WAS AGREED UPON WITH A M C A LONG TIME AGO HAS LONG EXPIRED.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S BASICALLY A FREE FOR ALL, UH, LOT.
MR. PENZONE AND MRS. PENZONE HAVE BEEN LIKE, IT, WE, WE DON'T WANNA ARGUE WITH PEOPLE IF THEY WANNA PARK THERE.
A LOT OF THE CAR DEALERSHIPS UP ON SAWMILL, WHEN THEY GET A DELIVERY, THEY'LL ASK, AND THEY'LL SOMETIMES STAGE CARS THERE WHILE THEY'RE MOVING THINGS AROUND.
SO THEY'VE BEEN VERY ACCOMMODATING TO THE AREA, BUT IT, IT TRULY IS, UH, THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY.
SO TO REMOVE A LARGE PARKING LOT, UH, LIKE THAT W WE SEE AS AN ENORMOUS, UH, BENEFIT.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING, UH, BEHIND THE ONE BUILDING, AND THAT'S EVEN SOME OF THAT IS USED AS, UH, OVERFLOW FOR THE NEW SALON, BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THE SALON, THERE WAS A THOUGHT IT'D BE WAY UNDER PARKED AFTER NOW FOUR YEARS OF OPERATIONS.
SO, UM, THE EVALUATION WE'VE COME TO IS WE'D BE, WE'D BE GOOD AS A COMPANY TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE SOME OF THE PARKING, UM, IN, IN THIS PORTION OF THE SITE.
NOW, I MENTIONED THE, THE DRIVE LANES, UH, ARE EXISTING AND WOULD BE MAINTAINED.
UH, THEY'RE COMPLIANT FOR FIRE ACCESS AND DIMENSION AND EVERYTHING ALREADY.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE ALL THESE ZIGZAGGED EASEMENTS THAT CUT THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
ONE OF THEM, THE NORTH SOUTH ONE THAT GOES RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE, UH, IS A MAJOR STORM LINE.
AND SO IN THOSE FIRST MEETINGS, UM, CITY ENGINEERS WERE THERE IN THE MEETING AND, UH, THEY SAID, PLEASE DON'T DO ANYTHING, UH, WITHIN THIS EASEMENT.
AND IT'S REALLY SHAPED, UH, SOME OF THE POSITION.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS DRAWING, IN THIS DIAGRAM, WE END UP WITH SOME VERY UNIQUE CONDITIONS OF BUILDABLE AREA FOR THE FUTURE BUILDINGS.
AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS REALLY NESTLE THOSE TWO NEW BUILDINGS, WHICH WOULD BE MIXED USE, PROBABLY APPROACHABLE RETAIL, UH, OR, UM, UH, MAYBE EVEN SOME FOOD OFFERING, UH, DOWN ON THE LOWER LEVEL.
AND THEN ONE LEVEL OR TWO LEVELS, DEPENDING ON, UH, HOW THEY DEVELOP, UH, OF OFFICE SPACE.
AGAIN, OFFICE FUNCTION, SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, MOST LIKELY WHAT THE PENZONE CAMPUS IS ABOUT.
THERE'S SOME LIMITED PARKING AT THOSE, AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE, UH, A BETTER UTILIZATION OF THE MAIN PARKING LOT BEHIND, UH, THE BUILDING AND WALK ROUTES AND STUFF WILL CERTAINLY BE, UH, A PART OF THAT.
UM, BUT THE MR. MRS. PENZONE ARE VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN HOW DO WE CREATE THIS KINDA WALKABLE CAMPUS.
UH, THEY ENJOY VERY MUCH KINDA WALKING UP AND GOING DOWN.
UM, JOHN SHIELDS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BRIDGE BAY, THAT'S LIKE THEIR ROUTE.
AND SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UM, THE, THE, THE NORTH CORNER OF THE SITE, UM, IS PROBABLY THE MOST DIFFICULT ONE TO THINK OF.
HOW COULD ANY SORT OF BUILDING GO THERE DIMENSIONALLY? UM, AND SO WHAT THEIR THOUGHT WAS, LET'S DO SOMETHING THAT'S BEAUTIFUL IN THE LANDSCAPE, UH, THAT HELPS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO KINDA WALK, UH, ALONG ALL OF OUR PROPERTY, UH, AND CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE A BIT OF A GIVE BACK TO, UH, DUBLIN AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IN, IN SORT OF FILLING THIS WITH A DESIGNED, UH, LANDSCAPE.
UH, WE USE THE TERM A POCKET PARK.
I, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S PROPER.
IT'S, IT'S NICE, WELL, THOUGHT THROUGH LANDSCAPING WITH A WALK PATH.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, THE ENGINEERING ON THE SITE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK AROUND IS A LOT OF THESE EASEMENTS.
UM, BUT ALSO PLANNING ON THIS NEXT PHASE, PHASE TWO, UH, TO HAVE A, A REALISTIC TIMELINE.
NOW, THE URGENCY ON PHASE ONE IN THE, IN THE LIVE WORK, UH, PROJECT IS, UH, THEY SOLD THEIR HOUSE IN GERMAN VILLAGE.
AND, UH, THEY SAID, HOW QUICK CAN WE GET THIS, UH, THIS GOING? AND, UH, WE KNOW DUBLIN WORKS REALLY FAST TO GET THESE APPROVED.
UM, THE URGENCY IS SOMETHING THAT IS PLAGUES ARCHITECTS, NOT SO MUCH COMMISSIONS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT PUT THIS ONE TO THE FRONT.
NOW AGAIN, I RECOGNIZE, UH, NO ONE, INCLUDING THE PEN ZONES, UH, WANT TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S A FICTITIOUS PHASE TWO TO GET THIS APPROVED, AND WE'LL, SOMEDAY SOME YEAR, WAY DOWN THE ROAD, COME BACK.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE OWE YOU IS A BETTER VISUAL OF WHAT PHASE TWO COULD BECOME.
UH, AND, AND A TIMELINE THAT, UH, IS, IS MAYBE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN, UH, RELY UPON.
UM, THE, THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE IS GONNA, UH, LEAN TOWARDS THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON SITE THAT WE'VE DESIGNED, WHETHER IT'S THIS LIVE WORK COMPONENT OR THE SALON, OR THE MODIFICATIONS, UH, WE'RE MAKING TO THE ONE BUILDING.
UM, BUT I THINK THE, THE, THE APPROACH WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO IS THAT THIS IS A, A COHESIVE, UH, CAMPUS.
UM, WHEN WE, UH, TALK ABOUT THE, THE LIVE COMPONENT, UH, OF THIS, UM,
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YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED IT'S AUM, THERE ARE SOME PATIOS, UM, BUT THOSE PATIOS ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, JUST AS FUNCTIONAL FOR THE GALLERY OR AN OFFICE OR THEM AS, AS RESIDENTS, AS THIS KIND OF SOCIAL, UM, GATHERING SPACE FOR THEIR, THEIR VISITORS AND THEIR INDUSTRIES, THEIR FRIENDS, THE DIFFERENT PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY, UM, UH, EVENTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE THAT OUTDOOR AREA, NOT EVEN JUST THE PATIO, BUT THE, THE LAWN AND THE DRIVE AREA, UH, REALLY COULD BE WONDERFUL FOR THOSE FUNCTIONS.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE ALSO, UH, THINKING ABOUT IS, UH, HOW DO, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE CONFIDENCE OF, OF WHERE THIS IS HEADED GOING FORWARD? SO A QUESTION OF A POOL OR A HOT TUB, UH, CAME UP.
UH, THERE'S NO INTENT FOR A POOL.
UH, AND EVEN IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SAYS, UH, LIKE THAD SAID, YOU'D HAVE TO REALLY CHANGE THE WORLD TO GET A, A POOL.
WE, WE DON'T NEED OR WANT A POOL.
SO I CAN GIVE YOU THAT REASSURANCE.
SO AGAIN, AS AN INFORMAL, UM, UH, DISCUSSION, UH, THE VALUE THAT, THAT WE HAVE FOUND IN THIS PROCESS IS YOUR INSIGHT, UH, GOOD AND BAD, WHAT YOU LIKE, AND ACTUALLY WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE DRIVES US TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT SOME OTHER, UH, SOLUTIONS.
UH, WE AS A COMPANY HAVE HAD, UH, ENORMOUS SUCCESS IN DUBLIN AND, AND WORKING WITH YOU.
UH, SO AGAIN, I GREATLY APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR, UH, ENGAGEMENT, UM, AND REALLY ANY, UH, THOUGHTS OR OR WISDOM YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE US, WE'RE EAGER TO COME BACK WITH A, UH, A FIRST, UH, SUBMITTAL.
UM, BUT THAT'S TRULY GONNA BE GUIDED BY, UH, YOUR THOUGHTS AND DIRECTION.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
WE'LL HANDLE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR THE APPLICANT, AND THEN WE'LL TURN SOME TIME OVER TO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. CHINNOCK,
THAT WAS VERY, VERY INSIGHTFUL, VERY HELPFUL.
I APPRECIATE, UH, SHARING THE VISION OF THE SPACE WITH US.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT PHASE TWO, BUT THIS IS REALLY HARD, I THINK, FOR ALL OF US TO KIND OF REALLY GIVE YOU GREAT FEEDBACK WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF PHASE TWO.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR INTENTION? I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT LIKE, KIND OF WHAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE FUNCTIONS OF THOSE PHASE TWO BUILDINGS MM-HMM.
UM, THE, THE FIRST IS I THINK THE, THE, THE CONCEPT OF WHERE THOSE BUILDINGS ARE HEADED AND WHAT WE'LL, WE'LL BRING BACK BEFORE YOU NEXT TIME, UM, IS A GROUND LEVEL SPACE THAT IS, UM, PUBLIC FOCUSED.
SO THAT COULD BE RETAIL, A COFFEE SHOP OR RESTAURANT IT, SOMETHING THAT REALLY ENGAGES WITH THAT PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY.
I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S WALK UP TO A GRAND SALON, IT'S NOT WALK UP TO GET A CUP OF COFFEE.
AND SO, UH, THE GROUND LEVEL OF THESE TWO BUILDINGS, I'M, I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN, WILL BE LED TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, RETAIL FOOD, UH, BASED, AGAIN, PROBABLY VERY CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE AFFILIATION WITH THE PENZONE BRAND.
SO IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN THEIR SALONS, THEY, THEY REALLY GREATLY SUPPORT KIND OF LOCAL ENTITIES, YOU KNOW, CRIMSON CUP COFFEE AND JENNY'S ICE CREAM.
AND A LOT OF THE, UH, ASPECTS OF WHAT THEY HAVE, THEY'RE VERY KIND OF COMMUNITY SUPPORTIVE.
SO I SEE THE GROUND LEVELS BEING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WITH THAT, WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU REALLY HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO ACTIVATE THE EXTERIOR, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, THINK OF COFFEE SHOP WITH PATIO MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE THAN OFFICE SPACE WITH PATIO FOR THE PUBLIC TO ENGAGE.
SO, UH, WHAT WE DID ON THE, ON THE, UH, SALON ON THE CORNER, BECAUSE WE, SAME THING.
WE HAD SOME CHALLENGE IN TRYING TO MEET THAT DIMENSION REQUIREMENT.
UH, WE ACTUALLY DESIGNED A LOT OF SORT OF ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENTS INTO, UM, THAT LANDSCAPE AND THE WALK PATHS AND THE PATIOS, UH, TO REALLY THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT IS SORT OF OCCUPY SOME OF THE FRONTAGE.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AND WHERE THESE EASEMENTS CUT THROUGH, UM, THE CHALLENGE IS YOU REALLY CAN'T EVEN BUILD OVER THEM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, ABOVE THEM, UM, AND SO THEY BECOME THESE SORT OF CAVERNS THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK AROUND.
NOW, IF WE NEEDED TO ADD SOMETHING FURTHER, EVEN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, IF WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT SITE PLAN, SORRY, UM, YOU START TO GET INTO A PRETTY INEFFICIENT BUILDING, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA WAS MAYBE DO WE CR CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE DRIVEN BY LANDSCAPE
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AND ACTIVATING THE COMMUNITY FOR THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, RATHER THAN MAKING SOME INEFFICIENT, YOU KNOW, INEFFECTIVE BUILDING JUST TO FILL SPACE.SO THAT, THAT, THAT VISUAL OF THAT, UM, STREETSCAPE ON VILLAGE PARKWAY, I THINK WHAT, WHAT OUR GOAL IS TO BRING BACK TO SOMETHING THAT FEELS LIKE IT'S GETTING AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO THAT REQUIREMENT, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S SOME SWATHS IN IT THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT'S THERE, WE CAN'T OCCUPY MR. CHINOOK FOR YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
THANK YOU, MR. WE THANK YOU MR. MYERS, AND THANKS FOR THE, THIS NARRATIVE THAT YOU SUBMITTED WITH YOUR PACKAGE WAS, WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO KIND OF SET THE TONE IN YOUR, IN YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.
AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FIRM'S A I A GOLD MEDAL
THAT'S A, THAT'S A, UM, ENORMOUS HONOR.
UM, THE EAS THE EASEMENT ISSUE, I, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ONE THAT'S RUNS THROUGH THE SITE WAS THAT THE STAFF SAID DON'T TOUCH THAT, PLEASE.
WERE THE OTHER, ARE THE OTHER ONES OF THE SAME CATEGORY OR IS THAT, I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH WAS, WAS REALLY C I DON'T CHALLENGE DON'T THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I I WANNA SAY IT'S A 54 INCH PIPE IN THE NORTH SOUTH.
ALL, ALL OF THEM OR JUST THE NO, NO, NO, NO.
UM, THE OTHER ONE IS THAT CUTS THROUGH BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE QUESTION COMES WHERE I'M, I'M THINKING YOUR HEADED IS HOW HARD IS IT TO MOVE? YEAH.
UM, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU HONESTLY, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT LEVEL OF ENGINEERING.
UM, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, THE ARCHITECT SAYS, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA DIG FOUNDATIONS.
WHY CAN'T YOU DIG UP THE PIPE TOO? UM, IT'S PROBABLY HARDER TO KEEP THE PIPE.
UM, BUT MY CIVIL ENGINEERS MIGHT TELL ME THAT'S A DUMB THING TO SAY.
SO
SO I ASSUME THAT THOSE STORM DRAINS ARE, ARE DUMPING INTO THE POND? YEAH.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING, WHAT I HEARD WAS FROM VILLAGE CENTER, DUBLIN CENTER, UH, ACROSS THE STREET.
IS THAT WHERE THE WATER'S COMING FROM? NO, I THINK THE MAIN ONE ACTUALLY COMES FROM THE NORTH AND THEN TO THE WEST.
AND IT DOES GO INTO THE POND NEXT TO THE, UH, UNDER THE PARKING LOT, RIGHT INTO THE, UH, BASIN, NEXT TO THE OTHER SALON, UM, DUBLIN CENTER.
THE, THE ONES THAT THE, THE LATERALS THAT CUT TOWARDS THE ROAD.
UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THEY GO, UH, ONE OF 'EM DOES GO INTO DUBLIN CENTER AND IS, UH, I THINK IT'S A, A SECONDARY, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE PRIMARY, UH, FOR DUBLIN CENTER, BUT THERE IS SOME BIGGER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IT TIES INTO.
SO CITY ENGINEER'S COMMENT WAS, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A RABBIT HOLE IF YOU GET INTO KIND OF ELIMINATING SOME OF THESE.
AND, AND I, AND AGAIN, I I'M JUST GONNA SAY THIS TO PUT IT OUT THERE, IS THAT AS WE A COMMISSION ARE ALSO LOOKING AT A REDEVELOPMENT OF DUBLIN CENTER OF COURSE, YEAH.
THAT COULD BE QUITE DRAMATIC CHANGE FROM WHAT WAS, UM, PROGRAMMED FROM A STORMWATER RUNOFF STANDPOINT.
AND MIGHT THAT ACTUALLY CAUSE A, A RETHINKING OF STORMWATER RETENTION IN THIS WHOLE AREA? SO YOU, YOU'RE, I WOULD SAY IT ABSOLUTELY WOULD.
UM, BUT, UH, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, UH, I, I'M NOT SURE IF THE 15 YEARS IT MIGHT TAKE FOR DUBLIN CENTER TO, TO GET UNDERWAY.
'CAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A MASSIVE REDEVELOPMENT, BUT IT COULD GIVE YOU SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, FODDER TO KIND OF GO BACK AND SAY, DO WE NEED TO HAVE ALL OF THESE? WHAT ARE THEY SERVING? UM, AND CAN WE START TO RELOCATE SOME UTILITIES TO MAKE OUR PROJECT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO YEAH.
AND, AND I STILL THINK THOUGH, EVEN, I MEAN THE PIPING ISN'T, ISN'T THE ONLY REASON THE THIS BUILDING IS, IS KIND OF PROPOSED TOWARDS THE BACK.
UM, UM, BECAUSE IF WE CAN GET MORE SORT OF PUBLICLY ENGAGED, UM, USES UP TO THE STREET, THAT SEEMS LIKE A BETTER, A MORE THOUGHTFUL APPROACH ON PLACEMENT OF BUILDINGS.
BUT I RECOGNIZE THAT, AGAIN, TO DO ONE AND WAIT FOR, FOR THE FRONT, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
SO I THINK IT'S THE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CHARACTER OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN PHASE TWO AND WHAT'S A REALISTIC TIMELINE FOR THE THINGS IN PHASE TWO IS, IS PROBABLY WHAT, WHAT WE CAN PROBABLY OFFER THE, THE BEST TO GIVE YOU COMFORT OF WHAT THE WHOLE PLACE EVENTUALLY COULD BE.
MR. HOUNSELL, WE DON'T TYPICALLY SEE C DDS TODAY, WHICH WAS THIS AGREEMENT WAY BACK IN THE 1990S.
IS THERE AN EQUIVALENT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAT FOR THE LARGER SCALE, NOT JUST THE MICRO AREAS ON THIS PARCEL OR MULTIPLE PARCELS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN EQUIVALENT TO A FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO A, AS WE'RE AT INFORMAL REVIEW, BEFORE WE GO INTO DELIBERATION, WE DO WANNA LEAVE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, UM, I'LL ASK FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
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HERE IN JUST A MOMENT.UH, BUT WE DO WANT TO CONSIDER THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED TO US BY STAFF, INCLUDING THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS AS THIS IS INFORMAL REVIEW.
YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT STATED THEY'RE WILLING TO BRING BACK SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS.
THIS IS NON, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING THIS EVENING, BUT WE, WE DO EXPECT TO PROVIDE ENOUGH FEEDBACK TO, FOR THE APPLICANT TO KNOW WHAT COULD COME NEXT.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON, ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER? MR. SCHMEAR? I'LL ASK A COUNTERPOINT.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE SECOND PHASE, IF YOU DIDN'T, IF YOU JUST, UH, FOCUSED ON PHASE ONE AND DIDN'T BRING BACK ANY PLANS FOR PHASE TWO, AND I THINK THAT THE QUESTION WAS RAISED EARLIER, YOU COULD TAKE THE RISK THAT YOU DON'T GET TO DEVELOP PHASE TWO THE WAY YOU WANTED TO BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU DID ON PHASE ONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN IS WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN PHASE TWO, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BUILD PHASE ONE, THEN THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SAY WE HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BUILT THAT.
BUT YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO DO THAT IF, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO LIVE WITH WHATEVER HAPPENS AT, UH, 3, 4, 5 YEARS FROM NOW AND COME BACK WITH A, A PHASE TWO.
SO I, I, YEAH, I HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT WELL, I, I THINK, I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE OWE YOUR COMMISSION IS AN AWARENESS OF WHERE IT'S HEADED.
I, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD GO IN, COME IN WITH THE FINAL FOR, UM, PHASE TWO IN, IN SUCH URGENCY, UM, ALONGSIDE OF PHASE ONE.
BUT WE COULD GO, I THINK, VERY FAR IN, YOU KNOW, GIVING YOU AWARENESS OF WHERE IT'S HEADED.
UM, AND THEN QUITE HONESTLY, I THINK IT COMES TO SORT OF A LITTLE BIT OF TRUST, YOU KNOW, TRUST IN THE PEN ZONES, TRUST IN US THAT WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE SAY WE'RE GONNA DO, OR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE BEST INTENTIONS TO.
BUT, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF ANY PHASE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS WITH YOUR COMMISSION MANY TIMES WHERE, UM, JUST TO, TO GIVE A GLIMPSE OF, OF WHERE THESE THINGS ARE HEADED TO GIVE YOU REASSURANCE.
AND WHAT, WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN OWNERS AND CERTAIN ARCHITECTS HA HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD CREDIBILITY AND GOOD, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S THEIR REPUTATION.
UH, WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER THINGS I'M PLANNING ON BRINGING YOU NEXT MONTH, BUT, UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU TRUST ME.
SO, UM, WHAT I NEED TO DO IS GIVE YOU A BETTER VISION OF PHASE TWO.
AND WHAT I NEED TO GET FROM MR. AND MRS. PENZONE IS A, IS A LITTLE MORE OF A, OF A FIRM UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE, WHEN'S THAT GONNA HAPPEN? UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TONE I KEEP HEARING IS W WE MIGHT BE FINE WITH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE, BUT IT IS A LITTLE BIT CONTINGENT ON, YOU KNOW, W WHERE IS THIS ALL HEADED, UH, IN THE END.
AND WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WANNA FULFILL THAT.
SO NOT A TECHNICAL QUESTION, BUT YOUR PRESENTATION, UM, BOTH IN THE WRITTEN FORM AND VERBAL TONIGHT JUST SPARKED SOME THINGS ABOUT THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF A RESIDENCE, RIGHT? SO YOU SAID, UM, IT'S AN ART GALLERY, YOU SAID TOO, IT'S A CONFERENCE CENTER.
AND YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW THIS MIGHT BUILDING MIGHT BE USED IN THE FUTURE, UM, WHEN THE PENZ ZONES DON'T, MAY NOT WANNA LIVE THERE.
SO COULD THIS BE CONSIDERED AN ART GALLERY IN WHICH THERE'S A RESIDENCE UP ABOVE THAT, A VISITING ARTIST, AND IT COULD BE MR. PENZONE FOR QUITE A WHILE WAS STAYING IN? ABSOLUTELY.
OR, OR COULD IT BE A CONFERENCE CENTER THAT HAS ACCOMMODATION FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING THERE FOR EVENTS AND, AND THINKING ABOUT HOW THAT SATISFIES A SHORT-TERM DEFINITION OF WHAT THIS IS? MM-HMM.
BUT IN ESSENCE, IT'S, IT'S CLAIMING WHAT THE LONG-TERM, UH, VISION BOARD IS.
AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT SCENARIO.
AND WHEN I SAY, UM, CONFERENCE CENTER, I THINK ACTUALLY THE ONE BUILDING IS PROBABLY INTENDED FOR THE CONFERENCE CENTER.
THIS MIGHT BE THE, THERE'S A COCKTAIL PARTY AT THE GALLERY, RIGHT.
AND, UM, UH, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY AS WE WALK THROUGH THE PLAN, AND AS YOU SAW THE, THE VISUALS OF THE EXTERIOR, THE, ONE OF THE UNDERLYING DESIGN INTENTS OF THE BUILDING IS THAT IT'S INCREDIBLY VERSATILE TO, YOU KNOW, EASILY TRANSFORM IN USE AND FUNCTION OR OCCUPANT WITHOUT A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, ADAPTATION TO THE, TO THE BUILDING OR THE STRUCTURE OR EVEN THE AESTHETIC.
SO IT, IT'S A, IT'S AN INTERESTING LITTLE BUILDING BECAUSE YOU, LIKE YOU SAID, IT COULD BE, YOU COULD DESCRIBE 10 DIFFERENT USES AND THEY MIGHT ALL PERFECTLY BE APPROPRIATE.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FROM THE
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COMMISSION, MS. HARDER? I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND MAKING SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A DWELLING WHERE SOMEONE LIVES AND ALSO A, A, A GALLERY THAT THE LANDSCAPING REALLY PLAYS A, A BIG ROLE IN THAT.IS THAT ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO TOUCH UPON TONIGHT? IT IS ENORMOUSLY IMPORTANT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED A COUPLE, A COUPLE THINGS THAT ARE THE INTENT THAT THE DOCUMENTS WILL, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP IS THAT THIS, THIS FEELING THAT THAT TREE LINE ISN'T EXISTING AND THEN, OH, THEY JUST DROPPED IN A BUNCH OF TREES.
THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF FIND A WAY TO REALLY PULL THAT OUTWARD IN SOMETHING THAT LOOKS AUTHENTIC.
UM, THE, THE LANDSCAPE AT THE BUILDING ISN'T INTENDED TO BE ANY SUBURBAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, JUST PLANTINGS AT THE FOUNDATION.
IT'S, IT'S INTENDED TO BE REALLY KIND OF LIVED IN OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WAS ONCE THERE.
AND THEN I THINK WHEN WE GET TO THIS NORTH PIECE, THAT, THAT IDEA OF THE KIND OF POCKET PARK OR THAT WALK PATH, UM, I THINK THAT IS CERTAINLY INTENDED TO KIND OF FIT ALL OF THE STREET SCAPE STANDARDS AND ALL OF THE, UH, DUBLIN REQUIREMENTS AND REALLY KNIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH AND WEST AND START TO TIE IN THIS WHOLE CAMPUS.
UM, IT'S REALLY THE, THE GATEWAY ONTO THIS PROPERTY FROM, UH, THAT NORTHERN AREA.
SO, UH, LANDSCAPE DESIGN IN THIS IS, IS, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE VERY, VERY, UH, CRITICAL.
UM, IF, IF I HAVE A CHANCE TO JUST ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD, UM, THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE, THE SORT OF ARCHITECTURE AND THE FINISHES AND THE MATERIAL, UH, ROOF LINES.
WE HAVE A COUPLE KIND OF CHANGES IN, UM, UH, MASSING.
UM, I, I THINK MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THE WORK.
AND, AND I THINK THE, UH, THE NEXT STEP AS WE'RE DEVELOPING THIS, WHAT WE WANT TO GET INTO IS, YOU KNOW, HERE IS THE PALLET OF MATERIALS AND A LOT OF THESE, UH, CLOSEUP VIEWS AND, AND DETAILS.
BUT, UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE SOMETHING THAT, UH, HAS A COMPLIMENTARY TONE TO THE GRAND SALON, THE ONE BUILDING AND THESE FUTURE BUILDINGS, BUT NOT JUST GRAB ALL THE FINISHES OFF THE SALON AND PUT 'EM ON TO THIS NEW BUILDING.
SO SOME ARE THE SAME, BUT A LOT OF 'EM ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT IN, IN COMPLIMENTARY WAYS.
UM, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, I HEARD THE TERM SUBURBAN HOUSE AND, AND I JUST, I I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING IN TERMS OF THE ROOF LINE SIZE OR SCALE, I MEAN TRANSPARENCY MATERIALS, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY CONCERN THAT YOU'RE HAVING ON THE ARCHITECTURE? SO, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE IN INFORMAL REVIEW, OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT KIND OF THAT, I LIKE TO USE THE CRAYON, THE ANALOGY WE'RE AT CRAYON STAGE RIGHT NOW.
AND THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THOSE DUPLO BLOCKS, THOSE BIGGER BUILDING BLOCKS WHERE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT MASSING AND HOW IT FOOTPRINT.
AND THEN WHEN WE GET INTO LANDSCAPING AND CLARITY AND MATERIALS AND THAT SORT OF THING, THAT'S AT THAT, THAT FINAL DEVELOPMENT PERIOD.
SO, UH, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, UH, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF I COULD PUT A PAUSE ON THAT BEFORE WE OFFER OPINIONS, BEFORE WE DELIBERATE ON THE APPLICATION ITSELF, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND SO, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO LEAVE US WITH ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO, TO HANDLE THOSE, TO MANAGE THROUGH THOSE IN DELIBERATION.
SO ARE THERE ANY IN ADDITION TO THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE MATERIALS THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO COVER WHEN WE GO THROUGH DELIBERATION? NO, I THINK, I THINK I COVERED OKAY.
ANYTHING I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER THAT.
WE'D LIKE TO TURN SOME TIME OVER FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, MS. HOLT HAS, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY VIRTUAL? WE HAVE NOT.
PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD YOUR MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON.
I LIVE AT 32 80 LILY MAR COURT, WHICH IS NEAR HERE.
IN FACT, UH, THIS YEAR I'VE TAKEN THE WALKING AND I'VE BEEN BY THIS PARCEL, UH, MANY TIMES.
I HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS SUCH A DRAINAGE, UH, PIPE UNDERNEATH HERE.
AND BOY, THE, THE ADVANTAGE OF COMING TO A MEETING LIKE THIS.
SO AT FIRST GLANCE, I REALLY WANTED TO HAMMER ON THE LAW.
AND IF THE LAW SAYS 75% FRONTAGE BUILD OUT, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
BUT SUDDENLY THERE'S MORE TO THIS STORY.
AND I KIND OF WISH THAT THAT DRAWING HAD, UH, GIANT YELLOW HIGHLIGHT OR HASH MARKS OR SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY CLEAR.
SO PART OF MY INTEREST IN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS IS THE LAW AND THE PROCESS AND HOW DO WE GO THROUGH THESE THINGS.
SO IT'S 10 YEARS NOW THAT WE ARE IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
YES, THE URBAN WALKABLE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT IN BLOCKS AND BRINGING BUILDINGS RIGHT TO THE STREET.
UH, FOR ME, I GET A LITTLE CLAUSTROPHOBIC WEST OF THIS PARCEL.
AND RIGHT NOW I'M GLAD THAT THERE'S SOME FREE SPACE.
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BUILDING IS SET BACK FROM THE STREET A LITTLE BIT.I'M GLAD THAT THE, UH, A M C THEATER IS SET AWAY FROM THE STREET.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A LOVELY WIDE CORRIDOR, BUT UNDER THE BRIDGE STREET RULES.
SO I FEEL BAD FOR THE APPLICANT HERE THAT 10 YEARS AGO, A BIG RUBBER STAMP, THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT'S BEEN, UH, OVERLAID ONTO THIS.
AND NOW SUDDENLY A WHOLE HOST OF RULES HERE TO BE, TO BE UPHELD.
SO WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE? AND I DON'T NEED A DIRECT ANSWER NOW, BUT JUST TO CREATE SOME DIALOGUE.
SO YES, THE MASTER PLAN, BRIDGE STREET AND DOWN BY THE RIVER.
AND A LOT OF THAT WAS RECTANGULAR BLOCKS AND BUILD IT OUT AND DO IT THIS WAY.
SO WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THIS? A HYPOTENUSE OF THE TRIANGLE SAYS, BUILD THAT OUT 75%.
AND IF THAT'S THE LANGUAGE, 75% COVERAGE MUST BE BUILT.
IS THERE AN ASTERISK? IS THERE A WHAT IF IS THERE? OH, BUT YEAH, IF THERE'S A, WHAT'D YOU SAY? A 54 INCH PIPE, THAT'S A LOT OF WATER.
SO THESE ARE, THIS IS, I'M ALWAYS LISTENING FOR THE COMMON SENSE AND THE WHAT ABOUT, SO, 'CAUSE AT FIRST GLANCE, THE TWO BUILDINGS IS THAT PHASE TWO APPEAR THAT THAT'S NOT EVEN 50%, UH, OF THAT WHOLE RUN.
IF IT'S NOT BUILDABLE, IT'S NOT BUILDABLE.
SO THEN THAT REALLY SHOULDN'T COUNT AS A PENALTY.
AND THERE'S ALSO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
SO DOES THAT GET A CREDIT OR NOT? UM, SO IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME IS THE, UM, THE, THE WELL, OKAY, TWO OTHER THINGS.
SOUNDS LIKE IF PHASE TWO BECOMES PHASE ONE BUILD OUT ALONG THE FRONTAGE AND THEN YOUR GOLDEN, AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BUILDING IN THE BACK WOULDN'T EVEN GET MUCH, UH, HEARTACHE.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT, I, I, I APPRECIATE HEARING THE STORY OF HOW THIS, UH, COMES TO BE ABOUT, BUT THAT'S THE RULES.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A STUDY, DUBLIN NEEDS HOUSING.
SO IF YOU PUT A ROW OF TOWNHOUSES THERE, NOT UNLIKE WHAT'S JUST AROUND THE CORNER, THAT WOULD GO QUICK.
THAT WOULD BE, UH, ONE POTENTIAL SOLUTION HERE.
AND THEN SO FAR AS THIS ART GALLERY THAT ON THAT SKETCH, IT LOOKED LIKE ONE THIRD OF IT IS THE GALLERY AND THE REST FROM AN A SKETCH LOOKED VERY MUCH LIKE A HOUSE.
SO
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS ALL WORKS OUT.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT DEVELOPED.
OH, AND ONE OTHER THOUGHT, UM, BECAUSE ABOUT A YEAR AGO, ANOTHER APPLICANT IN THIS VICINITY, UH, PUT FORTH A CONCEPT, A UH, AN INFORMAL REVIEW.
AND I'M JUST ALWAYS WORRIED, UH, ABOUT THE FUZZY MATH.
AND THAT'S A PHRASE I HEARD YEARS AGO, THE FUZZY MATH ABOUT ALL THESE PARKING SPACES.
SO ONE OTHER APPLICANT SAID THERE WAS SOME OVERFLOW PARKING SPACES THAT WERE GONNA BE ELIMINATED FOR THEIR BUILDING.
AND NOW THERE'S SOME OVERFLOW ON THIS PARCEL THAT'LL BE ELIMINATED.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE COUNT IS OR IF ANYONE EVEN GOES TO THE MOVIES ANYMORE, BUT, UH, IT'S INTERESTING THAT THERE'S ALL THIS PARKING SPREAD OUT, AND I THINK SOME OF IT'S BEING DOUBLE COUNTED, BUT THAT'S FOR YOU FOLKS TO FIGURE OUT.
WE CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND THE PARTICIPATION.
UH, YOU, YOU MENTIONED COMMON SENSE AND A LOT OF TIMES THE, THE CODE DOESN'T STRICTLY APPLY TO EVERY SINGLE PARCEL.
SOMETIMES WE DON'T CONTEMPLATE THAT THERE'S A 54 INCH PIPE OR SOMEONE HAS A POND THAT WAS PREEXISTING THAT IS NO LONGER REQUIRED FOR WATER DETENTION, WHICH IS WHY THE CODE ACCOUNTS FOR WAIVER PROCESS.
THAT'S PART OF THE CODE, THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION IS, IS BEING ABLE TO APPLY THOSE WAIVERS WHERE THEY MAKE SENSE.
AND SO WE RELY ON STAFF WHEN YOU'RE PRESENTING APPLICATIONS, WHEN YOU'RE PRESENTING CASES TO OFFER UP WHERE A WAIVER COULD BE CONSIDERED.
AND WE RELY, RELY ON PUBLIC PARTICIPATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE ARE APPLYING THOSE, WE ARE APPLYING THOSE TO THE SAME REASONS.
AND, UH, CONDITIONS EACH AND EVERY TIME.
AS YOU KNOW, THE SEATS IN THE CHAIRS UP HERE CHANGE.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING TO BE GOOD PARTNERS, NOT JUST WITH APPLICANTS, BUT ALSO WITH, UH, RESIDENTS.
SO WE WILL LOOK BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
ZACH, IF I COULD HAVE YOU PRESENT THOSE.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, THE FOURTH IS THE EVER OPEN-ENDED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS I'D LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY COUNT USE IN THAT ONE AS IT'S NOT DELINEATED IN, IN THE FIRST THREE, AT LEAST IN MY READING.
SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR, UH, DELIBERATION ON THIS, AND I THINK TONIGHT, MR. SCHNEER, I THINK I'M GONNA START YOUR DIRECTION THIS EVENING.
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THAT'S FINE.AND THEN WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THOSE FOUR QUESTIONS, WE ALSO WANNA HIGHLIGHT ANY COMMENTS THAT EACH COMMISSION MEMBER HAS, BOTH ON THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING AND ON THE MATERIALS.
UM, I, I, IN, I CAN SUMMARIZE THE, UH, MY COMMENTS ON THE THREE CON, THE THREE, UH, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S, IT IS INDEED A CHALLENGE.
I THINK, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE PEN ZONES, BUT UM, I KNOW OF THEM.
UM, AND THEY'VE DONE, UH, A REMARKABLE JOB THUS FAR.
UM, YOU'VE DONE A REMARKABLE JOB IN, IN THE ARCHITECTURE THAT FROM, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
UM, SO I'M, I'M QUITE SUPPORTIVE.
THIS IS, I, I LIKE THE, I LIKE, UH, UH, THE USE OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY, UM, FOR LIVE WORK.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DUBLIN SHOULD ENCOURAGE.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF PROMOTING THAT.
UH, GENERALLY TO THE EXTENT THAT VARIANCES OR WAIVERS WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALL TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE REFINED AS IT GOES FORWARD.
BUT I THINK AT FIRST BLUSH, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY COULDN'T WAIT, CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW THIS TURNS OUT.
UM, WE KEEP, I, I'M GONNA FOCUS ON PHASE TWO AND I CONTINUE TO BE, UM, THE ODD PERSON OUT HERE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS CONTINGENT ON PHASE TWO.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CONTINGENT ON PHASE TWO, UH, IF YOU DON'T WISH IT TO BE.
UH, BUT IN DOING SO, IT JUST MEANS THAT WHEN YOU, IF AND WHEN YOU DO COME, YOU, YOU THEN TAKE IT AS PLAY IT AS IT LIES AND WHATEVER HAPPENS.
SO, UM, SURE WE ALL WELCOME MORE, MORE INFORMATION ABOUT PHASE TWO, BUT IT'S MY SINGULAR OPINION THAT YOU CAN SAY, I'M NOT GONNA TALK ANYTHING ABOUT PHASE TWO.
IN WHICH CASE I THINK WE JUST DEAL WITH PHASE ONE.
AND THAT WAS MY POINT EARLIER, THAT IF AND WHEN YOU COME IN FOR PHASE TWO, YOU ARE THEN
AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF SAYING, WELL, YEAH, BUT I CAN'T DO THIS, I CAN'T DO THAT.
SO THAT'S JUST, UM, I THINK HELPS ME FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, ON PHASE ONE.
UM, ONE LAST POINT WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE YOU, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE, THE, THE PRECEDENT.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE NEXT APPLICANT COMES IN WITH A, A LIVE WORK OR A, UM, A A A HOME ON A THE IN PLACE, IT'S NOT ZONED.
AND THE NEXT APPLICANT, IF THEY COME IN, IN MY POINT OF VIEW WITH, WITH A SITUATION LIKE THAT, THEN WE WOULD TALK ABOUT IT THAT WAY.
BUT, UM, I DON'T, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT CREATING PRECEDENT.
WE JUST, YOU KNOW, STUCK A HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
SO I, I AGAIN, UM, APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS THUS FAR AND, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE NEXT, NEXT ITERATION.
MR. CHINNOCK, WE'RE OUTTA ORDER.
I THINK I TO, I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE.
UM, I THINK YOU'VE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE PENZ ZONES HAVE DONE A LOT OF GREAT QUALITY WORK IN THE AREA.
THE, THE, THE, THE NEW BUILDING IS REALLY NICELY DONE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GETTING AWARDS FOR IT.
UM, I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE'S GREAT.
AND, UM, IT WAS INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED.
I THINK WE TALK A LOT ABOUT, UM, DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE UNIQUE.
UM, AND I THOUGHT OF PRECEDENCE TOO, BUT THIS LOCATION IS SO SPECIFIC AND SO DIFFERENT.
I DON'T, I THINK IT'S JUST A CASE BY CASE CONVERSATION WE HAVE IN THE NEXT TIME IT HAPPENS.
BUT, UM, I DON'T HAVE A LOT MORE TO ADD.
I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION WAS GREAT.
UM, I'M, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CHALLENGES OF THE, THE SITE AND THE EASEMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I THINK THE BUILDING, UM, IS POSITIONED WELL.
AND HONESTLY, I LOOK FORWARD TO, TO, TO SEEING THIS COME, YOU KNOW, BACK TO US WITH MORE, MORE INFORMATION.
UM, I'M, I'M PERSONALLY STOPPING A HARD TIME WITH PHASE TWO 'CAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY UNKNOWNS.
I'M NOT SURE I EVEN HAVE ENOUGH.
I CAN COMMENT ON IT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THAT.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE, THE LAYOUT, THE INTEGRATION OF THE, THE, THE CONNECTIVITY, THE PEDESTRIAN, TRYING TO DO YOUR BEST WITH WHAT WE'RE GIVEN HERE, UH, AGAIN, I THINK YOU DID A, A WONDERFUL JOB WITH IT.
MR. FISHMAN, YOUR MICROPHONE, WARREN, THIS IS REALLY AN INTERESTING ONE.
UH, ACTUALLY, UM, UH, THERE'S BEEN A PRECEDENT SET ALREADY.
WE, BUT WE GOT TO SEE THE WHOLE PLAN.
AND THAT'S THE VOLVO DEALER AT, AT MAG, NOT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT THERE'S A GIANT TOWNHOUSE
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YEAH.THAT CAME UP ABOVE A VOLVO DEALER MM-HMM.
UM, AND, AND, UH, BUT AT THAT TIME I WAS THERE AND WE, WE INSISTED THAT WE SEE THE ENTIRE PLAN MM-HMM.
AND SO, UM, UH, I, I DON'T WANNA BURDEN YOU BY THE WAY, ALSO, I WAS THERE WITH DUBLIN VILLAGE SENATOR, AND THAT'S A, THERE WAS A VERY COMPLICATED EASEMENTS THERE FOR DRAINAGE.
I, I BELIEVE I REMEMBER THAT THE PARKING LOTS ALL DRAIN INTO THAT MM-HMM.
SO, UM, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD TALK TO THE ENGINEER AND MAKE SURE YOU CAN BUILD WHAT YOU CAN BUILD IN THE SECOND PHASE MM-HMM.
WE, WE DON'T, WE'RE A LONG WAY FROM THAT RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS JUST THE PRELIMINARY, BUT I THINK BEFORE WE VOTE ON ANYTHING, WE SHOULD HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE ENTIRE THING IS GONNA LOOK AT.
BUT I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH A RESIDENT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT ENGLISH TUTOR HOUSE SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF A PIECE OF LAND.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN INTEGRATED INTO A, A, A, THE PROPER TYPE OF ZONING, JUST AS, AS MAG'S PENTHOUSE WAS.
I BET MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THERE'S A PENTHOUSE MM-HMM.
UM, SO, UH, I REMEMBER THAT ZONING, AND I REMEMBER THE DUBLIN VILLAGE THAT WE, THAT WE WANTED TO SEE THE WHOLE THING.
IT STARTED OUT AS AN INCREDIBLE THING WITH PONDS AND, AND, AND FOUNTAINS AND, AND SO ON.
AND, AND ENDED UP AS A PRETTY MUCH A STRIP CENTER, BUT RIGHT.
BUT, UM, BUT, UH, UH, I, I, I THINK THE ENGINEER OR SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE WHAT THOSE EASEMENTS ARE, SO WHAT YOUR RESTRICTIONS ARE, SO YOU CAN GIVE US AN IDEA WHAT THE SECOND PHASE IS GONNA BE.
AND, AND, AND, UH, UM, SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT ALL AT ONCE.
UH, MOUNT CARMEL JUST CAME IN, UM, WITH, WITH BUILDING A HOSPITAL, AND THEY, THEY, WE GOT TO SEE THE ENTIRE THING.
AND, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THE ENTIRE THING NOW.
UH, UM, THEY COMMITTED TO IT, SO THEY WERE, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.
SO, UM, UM, I'M NOT A AGAINST IT ALL.
I THINK IT, IT, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
AND I THINK THAT, THAT, UM, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF A PARKING LOT.
IT'S GONNA, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A, A GREAT JOB IN THE DESIGN.
I THINK IT IT'LL FIT IN IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN
SO, UH, THAT'S MY FEELING RIGHT NOW, BUT I, I, I'M REALLY ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE OVERALL PLAN IS.
I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED, UM, MAG.
WE'LL HOLD YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL WE'RE DONE WITH DELIBERATION, THEN I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY.
UH, YES, MR. FISHMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING UP THAT HISTORY.
UM, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UM, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.
UH, THE PEN ZONES HAVE, UM, BEEN HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND IT'S BEEN JUST WONDERFUL SEEING, UM, ALL THE DIFFERENT GROWTH AND, AND THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT THAT THEY GIVE US, UM, WHICH IS EXCELLENT.
UM, I, I AM, AM, UH, FINE WITH THE IDEA OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, ONE THING I THINK YOU ARE VERY CONSIDERATE ABOUT THE TOWNHOMES, THE, UM, THAT ARE BEHIND THERE, THE CONDOS, UM, DRIVING BACK THERE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S UP ON A, IF IT'S UP ON A MOUND, UM, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT, UM, IT'S GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE COVERAGE AND SO FORTH THERE TOO.
I LOVE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING.
I LOVE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AGAIN AND, AND, UM, KEEPING THAT CONVERSATION GOING.
I THINK THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT.
I LIKE THAT IT'S NOT, UM, TOO INTRUSIVE ON THAT SIDE.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE VERY LIV LIVABLE AND, UH, HELPFUL TO THAT COMMUNITY ON THAT SIDE AS WELL TOO.
UM, I, I, UM, I'M FINE ABOUT THE PARKING.
I THINK THAT IS, UM, A GOOD WAY TO BE USING THINGS.
I EVEN NOTICED YOUR LITTLE DETAILS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR OWN PARKING LOTS WHERE THERE'S PARTS OF GRAVEL AND THEN CONCRETE WHERE YOU KIND OF PARK IN.
EVERYTHING JUST HAS LIKE A LITTLE TWIST TO IT, WHICH I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, IT MAKES IN AN, AN EXPERIENCE BEING THERE.
SO I, I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA KIND OF KEEP THAT GOING.
AND IT'S THE WALKABILITY, IT'S, IT'S INVITING PEOPLE IN FROM OUT.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE SAT HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE PATIOS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING BACK THERE.
IT'S MORE, TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE A PRIVATE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, OPPORTUNITY IS GONNA BE HAPPENING FOR PEOPLE.
BUT, UM, EITHER WAY, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE PE OTHER PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY HAVE A PATHWAY IN AND, AND, UH, AND THEN EVEN YOUR EMPLOYEES WORKING AND, UH, WORKING THERE, HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND WALK OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, GET A LITTLE QUICK WALK AROUND AND SO FORTH.
I THINK THAT'S A, THOSE ARE VERY NICE OPPORTUNITIES
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THERE.JUST, UH, LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE NEXT PHASE AND SO FORTH.
IT COMES AND THEN WE TAKE IT THAT IT AS IS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE NEW.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE NEXT, UM, UH, PARKED, UH, TO THAT.
UM, BUT I APPRECIATE, AGAIN, YOU ALL BEING HERE AND, UH, AND US MOVING FORWARD.
UM, THE CODE IS IN PLACE TO DRIVE A PEDESTRIAN DISTRICT.
WE CAN AGREE, WE CAN AGREE ON THAT.
UM, TO DO SO, IT GETS RATHER PRESCRIPTIVE, RIGHT? 75% AND 15 FEET AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UH, AND WHILE NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE, I DO, I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE, WE ALL HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT THIS SITE COULD MEET ALL THOSE, ALL THAT PRESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE, REGARDLESS OF WITH OR WITHOUT THE, THE RESIDENTS IN THE BACK.
RIGHT? SO THE WAIVER PROCESS IS IN PLACE FOR EXACTLY THIS TYPE OF SITUATION TO EVALUATE UNIQUE CONDITIONS, UNIQUE SITES.
UM, IT ONLY GOES TOWARDS, AND I THINK OUR HUNGER FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME CLARITY AROUND, I'M GONNA SAY PHASE TWO, UM, IS BECAUSE OF COURSE, WHEN WE'RE ANGLING TOWARDS A WAIVER, WE STILL WANT TO HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT IT CAN GET TO THE INTENT, EVEN IF IT CAN'T GET TO THE PRESCRIPTION PRESCRIBED, UM, UH, PRESCRIBED, YOU KNOW, STIPULATIONS IF YOU WILL.
SO THERE'S A, I GUESS I'M, I'M GOING TO, I HAVE NO QUALMS ABOUT THE RESIDENTS, UM, IN THE BACK, UH, EVEN IN URBAN AREAS, UH, YOU CAN FIND A REALLY UNIQUE AND SORT OF ROCKEFELLER URBAN RESIDENCE SAT IN THE MIDDLE OF, IN THE MIDDLE OF RIGHT.
AND, UM, IT'S SORT OF QUIRKY WHEN YOU FIND IT AND, YOU KNOW, OUT OF SCALE PERHAPS.
BUT IT DOES HAPPEN AND IT, AND IT MAKES FOR NICE MOMENTS THAT'S MORE OF THIS HI THAN NOT.
UM, THAT SAID, THIS ONE'S EVEN SET WAY BACK, RIGHT? IT IS, IT IS WITHIN A, A GOOD SOLID THREE WOOD FROM A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER SINGLE FAMILY.
SO IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A NICE BUFFER AS YOU, AS YOU BUILD UP TOWARDS THE URBANITY THAT WE WANT ON THE STREET.
AND IT'S NOT TAKING AWAY FROM THAT URBANITY IN, IN ANY REAL SHAPE, WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, RIGHT? THIS SITE IS GOING TO STRUGGLE WITH ITS OWN URBANITY AT THE STREET, REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S SORT OF BACK THERE ON THAT, THAT SECOND HALF OF THIS, THAT PARCEL.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL TO SAY, I, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, UH, A NICE ELEMENT, RIGHT? IT'S A, IT'S A NICE LITTLE POCKET YOU'VE CARVED OUT BACK THERE FOR THIS USE.
IT'S ADJACENT TO OTHER RESIDENTIAL.
UM, IT'S DONE IN A TASTEFUL WAY TO, TO THE POINT OF, I DO THINK YOU'RE MAKING LARGE EFFORTS TO MAKE IT NOT A APPEAR RESIDENTIAL.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, AS IT CONTINUES TO CONTINUE THAT EXERCISE AND HOW DO WE EVEN, UM, TAMP DOWN ANY, ANY HINTS OF RESIDENTIAL, EVEN, EVEN MORE, UM, THERE IS HUNGER AND, AND MR. SNARES ON ONE ON ONE HAND, HE, HE'S SPOT ON ABOUT, RIGHT? WE DO, WE CAN AND SHOULD EVALUATE THIS INDEPENDENT OF PHASE TWO.
BUT I THINK THE HUNGER FOR PHASE TWO AND UNDERSTANDING IT IS WE ARE LEAVING BEHIND A REMNANT POTENTIALLY.
UM, AND, AND RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S DRAWN, THE WAY IT'S DEVELOPED, YOU GUYS BARELY, BARELY STARTED ON IT, RIGHT? IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
AND SO IT, IT DOESN'T GIVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION, RIGHT? THAT IT'S BEEN WELL, WELL THOUGHT MM-HMM.
IT MIGHT NEVER, RIGHT? THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE YARD, UM, IF YOU WILL.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME TIME, IF I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF MY FELLOW PEERS HERE, UP HERE, WE WOULD LIKE CONFIDENCE THAT IT CAN WORK POTENTIALLY THAT, THAT THE INTENT OF THE CODE, RIGHT? UM, CAN THE, THE PEDESTRIAN DISTRICT, THE WALKABILITY, THE URBANITY THAT, THAT I THINK WE'RE SEEKING CAN BE ACCOMMODATED ON THE SITE.
AND YOU ALREADY STARTED TOUCHING ON SOME OF THE, I THINK THE, UH, UH, STRUCTURAL GYRATIONS, RIGHT? CAN WE BUILD UP AND OVER IT AND RIGHT.
HAVE A BUILDING BRIDGE ACROSS IT.
I WAS, I WAS OVER HERE SKETCHING EXACTLY THE SAME THING AND THINKING, OH MAN, THAT COULD BE, THOSE COULD BE GREAT PATIOS.
YOU KNOW, THE GROUND LEVEL RESTAURANT OR WHATEVER COFFEE SHOP COULD SPILL OUT UNDER THERE AND RIGHT.
COULD STILL HAVE A LOT OF, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY FRONTAGE
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ON THE STREET, STILL HAVE A FRONTAGE AND PEDESTRIAN FEEL THAT'S REALLY COMPELLING.AND SO, UM, THAT EXERCISE, I THINK WOULD BE FRUITFUL IF, AND ONLY IF TO PROVE TO YOURSELF AND TO PROVE TO US IT CAN BE THERE.
UM, SO I, I THINK AS THIS CONTINUES, THAT WILL, THAT WILL PROVE PERTINENT AND NECESSARY.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT EVER GONNA BE BINDING, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA SEE IT.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE IT IN CONCEPT.
AND FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, IT, IT MIGHT, UM, MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE ON THE PLANS, BUT AT LEAST WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE CONFIDENCE ABOUT IT.
ARCHITECTURE, I ALREADY TOUCHED ON THAT.
I DO THINK THERE'S AN EXERCISE TO CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, UH, ADDING IN A LITTLE SALT, A LITTLE PEPPER AND, AND FLAVORING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, BUT YOU, YOU ALL ARE WELL ON YOUR WAY DOWN THAT PATH.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WILL SAY ABOUT THIS IS WE KEEP CALLING IT PHASE TWO AND PHASE TWO IS VERY, VERY CLEARLY SEPARATED.
I'M GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, SEPARATED BY WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EASEMENT THAT WRAPS, YOU KNOW, THE, I'M GONNA SAY THE RESIDENTS.
UM, I MIGHT POINT OUT AS THIS CONTINUES AND AS WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND EXPLORATION OF THE BUILDINGS IN PHASE TWO, THAT THE POCKET PARK, RIGHT? 'CAUSE PHASE TWO MIGHT NOT BE A, A, A, A BINDING EXERCISE THAT THE POCKET PARK SHOULD BE PART OF PHASE ONE.
IF THAT'S THE EXPLORATION THAT WE BELIEVE THAT OVER HERE IS BUILDINGS AND OVER HERE TO GIVE BACK, WE CAN'T ACTUALLY MAKE A BUILDING OVER HERE IN A MEANINGFUL WAY THAT THE POCKET PARK SHOULD BE PART OF PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO.
AGAIN, FUTURE, SOME FUTURE STATE, IF OR EVER IT MAKES SENSE, WOULD BE THE BUILDING SIDE.
UM, SO I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE SITE.
UM, I THINK IT'S A PIECE OF REAL ESTATE THAT'S DEFINED BY SOME NATURAL FEATURES AND SOME STREETS, AND IT'S, IT, IT KIND OF FUNCTIONS ONTO ITSELF.
AND BECAUSE THE PENZ ZONES HAVE ALREADY INVESTED SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THIS SITE, IT'S, IT'S WONDERFUL THAT THEY'RE STARTING TO TAKE THIS POCKET OF DUBLIN AND SAY, WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, EXPAND ON IT.
UM, YOU MENTIONED CAMPUS SEVERAL TIMES.
UH, MR. MYERS AND I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THAT THIS IS A CAMPUS, THIS IS THE PEN ZONE CAMPUS.
AND THAT CAMPUS HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED WITH THE FIRST TWO BUILDINGS.
AND THE, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THOSE FIRST TWO BUILDINGS IS THAT THEY ARE SET BACK FROM THE STREET.
AND THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DESIGN ATTENTION INTO WHAT THAT ENVIRONMENT IS LIKE BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE STREET.
UM, WE JUST APPROVED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPEN ON PENZONE ONE.
AND SO, UM, WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS ORIGINALLY AND I LOOKED AT THE PLACEMENT OF THE RESIDENTS, AND THEN THE PHASE TWO, I WAS KIND OF A, A LITTLE BIT CAUGHT BY SURPRISE BECAUSE I THINK THIS ESTABLISHED SETBACK, AND AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO A AWAY FROM THE CODE ON THIS AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
THE PRECEDENT THAT THAT IS SET IS, I THINK THAT THAT SETBACK, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 50 FEET, COULD BE THE ORGANIZING ELEMENT FOR THE REST OF THE CAMPUS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND I THINK IT EVEN WORKS WITH THE EASEMENTS.
'CAUSE I DREW A LINE AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT COULD REALLY SET THE TONE FOR THIS ENTIRE SITE AS A CAMPUS FOR THE PEN ZONES.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT THE RESONANCE SHOULD PULL CLOSER TO THE STREET AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN GET IT.
UM, IF YOU CAN GET TO THE 50 FEET, GREAT.
THE, THE, OBVIOUSLY THE EASEMENTS ARE GONNA DICTATE THAT.
AND BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING, YOU CAN PROBABLY TWIST IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A LOT OF EDGES THERE TO DEAL WITH.
AND, AND THE, THE REASON I, I, I, I KIND OF MY MIND'S GOING IN THAT DIRECTION IS THE PHASE TWO BUILDINGS WERE JUST JARRING TO ME.
ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL SETBACK AND THESE BUILDINGS GET PULLED TO THE STREET MM-HMM.
SO I COULD EVEN SEE THOSE BUILDINGS BEING SET BACK.
AND I THINK YOU COULD ACTUALLY DO THAT WITHIN THE EASEMENT BASED ON THE FOOTPRINTS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DRAWN.
AND SO YOU, YOU THEN START TO CREATE AN EDGE ALONG THE ENTIRE STREET.
YOU CREATE THIS URBAN PARK THAT COULD BE THOUGHT OF AS THE, AS THAT URBAN EDGE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A BUILDING EDGE, BUT IT'S A PARK EDGE.
AND THEN WITH THE PROGRAMMING OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, BEING ART RELATED, YOU COULD ALMOST ENVISION THAT BEING AN ART PARK.
AND SO NOW YOU'RE PROVIDING SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, RESIDENTS CAN WALK THROUGH IT, ENJOY IT.
UM, THE PEN ZONES CAN SHOW OFF WHATEVER THEIR ART, UM, COLLECTION IS.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS SITE NEEDS.
IT NEEDS THAT ORGANIZING ELEMENT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU ERASE THE EASEMENTS AND THINK ABOUT THAT, AND YOU CAN PUT PARKS ACROSS EASEMENTS, RIGHT? SO I THINK YOU CAN ACHIEVE ALL OF THAT.
THAT I, I REALLY THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A DIRECTION YOU MIGHT WANT TO EXPLORE.
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AND I THINK IT WOULD REALLY HELP TO MITIGATE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CODE AND AN URBAN EDGE AND THINKING ABOUT IT.WELL, THE EDGE IS THE PARK, AN URBAN PARK, AND THE BUILDINGS THEN EMBRACE THE PARK AS PARK OF A CAMPUS.
SO, UM, THAT'S MY PITCH
AND I, I I LOVE THE, YOUR ARCHITECTURE, YOU KNOW, IT'S FABULOUS.
I THINK IT FITS INTO THE PENZONE, YOU KNOW, BRAND.
UM, I, I HOPE THE PHASE TWO BUILDING HAS THAT SAME VIBE.
UM, I THINK THE RESIDENTS COULD ACTUALLY BE MORE THAN IT WHAT IT IS, BUT I'M NOT PAYING FOR IT.
RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A BUDGET, BUT THERE COULD BE MORE PROGRAMMING WITHIN THAT, I WOULD THINK THAT COULD GIVE IT MORE MASS AND MORE PRESENCE ON THE PARK, ON THE STREET.
WELL, UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HEAR A LITTLE JUXTAPOSITION HERE.
UH, I THINK THAT A PARK WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL.
I PREFER SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS.
I LIKE HOUSES THAT ARE SPREAD APART.
HOWEVER, AS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBER, I AM IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE TO LOOK AT THE CODE AND TO APPLY THE CODE AS IT IS WRITTEN AND PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL AND HAND IT TO US.
AND SO THAT'S THE LENS THROUGH WHICH I HAVE TO LOOK AT, AT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
MR. SCHNEER HIT ON, YOU KNOW, THE PHASE ONE.
AND SO I WANNA ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE REALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT.
WE ARE ONLY LOOKING AT THIS ONE BUILDING.
AND I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THERE'S A WAIVER PROCESS FOR A REASON.
IF I FAST FORWARD TO WHAT THAT PLANNING REPORT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING ON THAT PARCEL, WITH NO CONSIDERATION OF A PHASE TWO, THERE WOULD BE A LAUNDRY LIST OF WAIVERS REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE, THE ZONING CODE THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED BECAUSE OF THE PLACEMENT THAT THIS IS IN.
HISTORICALLY, THIS COMMISSION HAS BEEN IN FAVOR OF SOME WAIVERS, HOWEVER, THOSE WAIVERS WERE APPLIED BECAUSE OF SOME 54 INCH PIPE, OR, OR, OR IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A, A DEVIATION FROM A USE TO DEVIATION FROM A SETBACK, A DEVIATION FROM THE ACTIVATION AT THE STREET LEVEL, THAT'S A LOT TO ASK OF ONE APPLICATION.
SO WITH, WITH THAT PREMISE, UH, I WOULD, AS ONE PERSON, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND WHETHER THAT'S A PHASED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I THINK IT WAS MR. FISHMAN BROUGHT UP A, A HOSPITAL PROJECT THAT CAME BEFORE US.
THERE'S, THERE CAN BE ZONING IN, UH, SORRY, THERE CAN BE PHASING IN DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
WE'VE SEEN SOME THAT THE SECOND PHASE DOESN'T COME TO FRUITION, NOT TYPICALLY IN THE SAME BUILDING, BUT IN OTHER PHASES OF THE PROJECT.
HOWEVER, IF I LOOK AT THIS, AND AGAIN, FAST FORWARD THROUGH WHAT THAT APPLICATION WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH A, A, A MASTER PLAN, THEN THE WAIVERS WOULD BE FEWER BECAUSE THE SECOND PHASE COULD CONTEMPLATE ALL OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN FROM CITY COUNCIL, ACTIVATED THE STREET LEVEL, HAVE THE SETBACKS, HAVE LOCK COVERAGE, ALL OF THOSE DELINEATED ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS AS THEY'RE PRESENTED TO US.
NOW, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT CITY COUNCIL COULDN'T SAY, HEY, THIS IS UNIQUE.
YOU, YOU SAW OUR NEW, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.
AND THE LAST ONE IS BE DISTINCTLY DUBLIN.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE COULDN'T COME DOWN AND SAY, HEY, THIS ONE, THIS ONE IS UNIQUE AND THIS ONE IS WORTHY OF GETTING THAT LAUNDRY LIST OF WAIVERS.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
BUT LOOKING AT THIS APPLICATION AS IT IS TODAY, I FORECAST AND I SEE A, A LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT WOULDN'T MEET THE CODE AND WOULD REQUIRE A LIST OF WAIVERS.
AND I'M UNCOMFORTABLE AT THIS STAGE WITH, UH, JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE ONE BUILDING IN THE BACK THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE CALLED A RESIDENCE THAT IN THE APPLICATION WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF CONSIDER NOT AS A RESIDENCE, AS A A WORK, PLAY, LIVE AREA.
UM, I, I WOULD FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE IF THAT WERE BEFORE US THIS EVENING.
AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURE, I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
AS FAR AS THE BUILDING ITSELF, I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
THE, THE LAND AND THE POCKET PARK, I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
I WOULD LOVE TO BE A NEIGHBOR TO IT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE CODE THAT WE'RE GIVEN MM-HMM.
SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, ASK IF YOU SEEK ANY ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
YOU, YOU HEAR FROM SEVEN PEOPLE AND SOMETIMES THAT'S SEVEN DIFFERENT IDEAS, BUT WE WANT YOU TO TAKE AWAY SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD MOVE CONFIDENTLY ONTO THE NEXT STEP, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE NEXT STEP COULD LOOK LIKE.
UH, THESE MEETINGS ARE PERFECT FOR THAT.
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I LISTEN TO A DESIGN CRITIQUE EVERY DAY AND YOU KNOW, I COME HERE AND, UM, WHAT WE GET IS HONESTLY, WE GET CLARITY.AND IT, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU, YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONSISTENCY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY GOOD TO, UH, TO KINDA WALK OUT OF, WE GO TO A LOT OF COMMISSION MEETINGS.
I MEAN, IT'S GOOD TO WALK OUT OF A DUBLIN COMMISSION MEETING 'CAUSE YOU'RE CLEAR ABOUT WHERE YOU NEED TO GO, RIGHT? AND SO THE, THE, THE MOOD AFTER YOUR, THAT I HAVE AFTER YOUR MEETINGS IS LIKE, I'M EXCITED TO GET INTO IT AND COME BACK AND KIND OF SHOW YOU HOW WE, WE DID ALL THIS STUFF, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, IT'S, IT'S SUCH A COLLABORATION.
IT'S LIKE JUST HEARING COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK OR THINGS THAT ARE QUESTIONS.
TO ME, THAT MEANS THE DESIGN ISN'T CLEAR YET.
HOW DO WE WORK TO MAKE IT CLEAR SO THAT CRITIQUE AND THE OPINION AND THE COMPLIMENTS TOO ARE, YOU KNOW, WONDERFUL.
AND, AND WHAT I THINK WE'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH IS ANOTHER LAYER OF REFINEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A, I HAVE A LOT OF CHECK MARKS, LIKE WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH IS SOMETHING THAT FURTHER ENHANCES THE DIRECTION AND GIVES YOU EVEN MORE REASSURANCE THAT, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
SO, UH, I GET THE GREAT PLEASURE OF CALLING THE PEN ZONES TONIGHT AND TELLING THEM, I THINK IT WENT PRETTY WELL.
WE GOT SOME WORK TO DO, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WELL ON OUR WAY TO SOMETHING THAT I THINK THEY CAN BE HAPPY WITH.
CAN CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? SORRY.
UH, UH, MR. WAVER A REALLY, REALLY GOOD POINT.
AND I THINK THIS IS GONNA HELP YOU IF WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME ADVICE BECAUSE THE POINT OF LOOKING AT THIS AS A CAMPUS AND HAVING THAT SETBACK REALLY IMPACTS PHASE TWO.
AND I, AND I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL YOU MENTIONED I, AND I, AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT CORRIDOR AND WHAT THAT MEANS WITH THE OTHER SETBACKS AND HOW THE PUSHING THIS BUILDING UP IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE AS YOU'RE ARTICULATED.
I THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE GIVE YOU SOME DIRECTION, IF I'M ALLOWED.
ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO THIS? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I FEEL LIKE FOR YOU TO GET GOOD DIRECTION TO COME BACK WITH PHASE TWO.
I GUESS THE QUESTION I ASK THE COMMISSION, IS THAT SOMETHING WE'D BE MORE SUP, WOULD WE SUPPORT THAT, ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE THAT? WHAT WOULD IT BE A 50 50 FOOT SETBACK FOR THE PHASE TWO BUILDINGS? IS THAT SOMETHING HE'S, HE'S SUCH A GOOD PLANNER.
I'M GONNA LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAYS.
I, IT WAS, AGAIN, IT WAS A GREAT POINT.
I THINK WE NEED TO HELP YOU COME BACK WITH SOMETHING RATHER, SOMETIMES YOU CAN MEET THE, THE CODE SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES YOU CAN MEET THE CODE, BUT IT DOESN'T FIT THE CONTEXT.
SO, AND, AND THE, THE, WHETHER THAT'S A WAIVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE WAY THE COMMISSION HAS ALWAYS BEEN PRESENTED TO ME IS THAT, YOU KNOW, GOOD DESIGN AND GOOD ARCHITECTURE AND GOOD PLANNING IS WHY THERE ARE THE WAIVERS.
SO, SO RATHER THAN, RATHER THAN PRESCRIBING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THE OPTION WAS PRESENTED THE CHALLENGE TO BE DISTINCTLY DUBLIN AND OKAY.
WEIGH THINGS ON THAT WAIVER PROCESS YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION.
WE'RE NOT PRESCRIBING ANYTHING THOUGH.
THERE IS SOME, SOME LIBERTIES OFFERED, AT LEAST FOR ONE WE'LL TAKE, TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION.
THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED ON THIS ITEM AS IT IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW.
LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS
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THIS EVENING, MS. HOLT? YES, WE DO.AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ASKING.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I PLACED SOME INFORMATION AT YOUR CHAIRS ABOUT THE OHIO A P A CONFERENCE IN SEPTEMBER.
UM, THE CONFERENCE GOES FROM SEPTEMBER 27TH TO THE 29TH.
IT IS IN COLUMBUS, SO IT'S A VERY NEARBY OPPORTUNITY.
UM, EARLY BIRD REGISTRATION ENDS TOMORROW, SO IT IS A BIT OF A QUICK TURNAROUND TIME.
JUDY IS KINDLY OFFERING TO HELP SIGN ANYBODY UP WHO IS INTERESTED IN GOING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAD THAT INFORMATION.
THE SECOND I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT, UM, YES, MR. WILLS AND MYSELF ARE ON A SESSION SO ABOUT, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND DEVELOPMENT.
SO MIGHT BE OF INTEREST
UM, THE SECOND ITEM HAS TO DO WITH THE SITE TOUR THAT WE'RE ARRANGING FOR YOU.
AND, UM, THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE 14TH OF SEPTEMBER FROM SIX TO EIGHT.
UM, WE'VE, WE ARE BUSILY INCORPORATING LAST WEEK'S COMMENTS INTO THE ROUTE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TRY AND GET EVERYBODY'S AREAS OF INTEREST INCLUDED.
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AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE BOTH A SHUTTLE AND A VAN AVAILABLE SINCE THE SITES ARE KIND OF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.UM, ALSO COMING UP ON THE 29TH OF THIS MONTH IS A SPECIAL AREA PLAN WORKSHOP, AND THAT'S OVER AT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BUILDING.
SO OUR OFFICE IS AT 5,200, THAT IS FROM SIX TO EIGHT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO STOP IN AND PARTICIPATE WITH THAT.
AND THEN FINALLY, JUST A REMINDER ABOUT THE JOINT WORK SESSION, WHICH IS ON THE 30TH.
THAT'S GONNA BE A BUSY WEEK FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S HAPPENING HERE IN THIS BUILDING, BUT PERHAPS TO BE DETERMINED, BUT PLEASE R S V P TO US FOR THAT.
UM, LET US KNOW IF YOU CAN MAKE IT, THAT IS ALSO SIX TO EIGHT AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE.
THANK YOU MS. HOPE ANY, CAN I JUST ADD TO THE, UM, THE AREA PLAN DISCUSSIONS ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN PUBLIC EVENTS.
I THINK WE SHOULD ALL ATTEND THAT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY DRILLING DOWN INTO THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE VERY ACTIVELY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING INSIGHT AND GUIDANCE TO WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I WONDER IF YOU COULD FILL IN FOR ME AT THIS NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING.
IT'S, THAT'S IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO, WHAT'S THE DATE ON THE 29TH? 29TH, RIGHT.
IS THAT THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 29TH.
BUT IT'S, DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS YET, BUT WE, WE DO, I'LL GET YOU THE INFORMATION.
UH, EVERYONE THANK YOU FOR SPENDING ANOTHER THURSDAY EVENING IN SERVICE TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
UH, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT.