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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE AND ALSO ACCESS THE MEETING VIA THE LIVESTREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN INCLUDING COMMENTS ON CASES THIS TIME.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME.
I PLEDGE ALLE ALL TO THE FLAG, FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES, AMERICA, AND TO REPUBLIC, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION, NATION, UNDER GOD, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL MS. HARDER? HERE.
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A MOTION TO ENTER INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE DISCUSSION OF PERSONNEL MATTERS.MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE APPOINTMENT OF PUBLIC OFFICIALS.
UH, DOES THE MOTION STAND? YES.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ELECTION OF THE VICE CHAIR FOR THE TERM AUGUST, 2023 THROUGH MAY, 2024.MAY I ASK CLARIFICATION FOR VICE CHAIR? WHO WOULD YOU LIKE?
SO HE INDICATED MARK SOUP BLACK.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE'RE DO THE VICE CHAIR FIRST.
WE NOMINATE NOW THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ELECTION OF THE CHAIR FOR THE TERM AUGUST, 2023 THROUGH MAY, 2024.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE REBECCA.
UM, PROCEEDING ON IN OUR MOVING, UH, OUR MEETING THIS EVENING.
UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATTING OF PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATIONS.
IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN.
THERE ARE NO CASES ELIGIBLE THIS EVENING FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THE RULES AND REGULATIONS STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED AFTER 10:30 PM ANYONE INTENDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY? ACTUALLY, MADAM CHAIR, THERE ARE NO ADMINISTRATIVE CASES, SO NO NEED TO SWEAR ANYBODY IN.
UH, WE WILL PROCEED ON WITH CASE 23 DASH 69 ASHLAND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AT MR. CHAIRMAN.
I THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS.
UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DOCUMENTS INTO THE RECORD AND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 20TH, 2023 MEETING.
SO MOVED, ENSURING THAT EVERYONE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE MEETING MINUTES.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. WE, UH,
[Case #23-069]
MOVING ON TO CASE 23 DASH 69, ASHLAND ASHLAND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AT PS 2 73 DASH 2284[00:05:01]
AND 2 73 DASH 0 2 4 53 CONCEPT PLAN.THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 330 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND A STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL CLUBHOUSE.
THE APPROXIMATELY 19 ACRE SITE IS ZONED OPERAS LABORATORY AND RESEARCH DISTRICT, AND IS LOCATED NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF BLAZE SUPER PARKWAY WITH ASHLAND SERVICE ROAD.
MR. HOEL, WELCOME THIS EVENING.
I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR CASE PRESENTATION.
UH, WELL, GOOD EVENING BEFORE YOU.
UH, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP IN A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UH, OPERATES MORE AS AN INFORMAL REVIEW AS NO DETERMINATION IS REQUIRED.
TONIGHT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING NON-BINDING FEEDBACK.
UH, THE COMMISSION SHOULD PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND SUGGESTIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT PRO PROPOSAL.
SOME OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS ARE SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN.
UH, LOOKING TO SEE IF THE PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE SPECIAL AREA PLAN.
WHETHER THE USE IS APPROPRIATE OR THE USES ARE APPROPRIATE HERE.
UH, THE GENERAL SITE LAYOUT ALLOWS FOR CONDUCIVE, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE ADJACENT TO THE SITE AND SOME OTHER ITEMS, UH, AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL HERE.
SO, THIS SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, UH, IS APPROXIMATELY 19 ACRES IN SIZE AND CURRENTLY ZONE OFFICE, LAB, LABORATORY, AND RESEARCH.
TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BETTER UNDERSTANDING, UH, OF SOME OF THE NATURAL FEATURES OF THIS SITE, UH, THE SITE IS CHALLENGING TO SEE FROM BLAZER PARKWAY DUE TO, UH, SOME CURRENT, THE CURRENT LANDSCAPE, UH, ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE.
UH, BUT THE AERIAL GIVES YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A VACANT SITE, BUT COSS GRAY DITCH DOES PLAY A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE.
UH, REALLY LIMITING, UH, ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE ACRES OF DEVELOPABLE AREA HERE ON THIS SITE, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS ACCOMMODATED AND YOU'LL SEE AS A PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO, AS ENVISIONED DUBLIN, THE CITY'S NEW COMMUNITY PLAN IS DEVELOPED.
UH, CITY COUNCIL MOST RECENTLY ADOPTED INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES TO GUIDE DEVELOPMENT.
DURING THIS TRANSITION PROCESS.
UH, THE GOAL WAS TO PROVIDE A CLEAR POLICY DOCUMENT, UH, TO SUPPLEMENT ADOPTED PLANS AND ACCEPTED PLANNING PRACTICES.
IN THE INTERIM, UH, THESE PRINCIPLES ARE TO BE UTILIZED SIMILAR TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AS BOTH OUR GUIDING POLICIES AND PRINCIPLES FOR THE CITY.
THESE POLICIES WERE NOT ESTABLISHED TO SUPERSEDE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, ALL OF THE, THE PRINCIPLES ARE SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN.
THE ONES HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN WOULD BE APPLICABLE HERE.
UH, AND THOSE WERE ADDRESSED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL.
SO, THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN, SPECIFICALLY M U R ONE, WHICH FOCUSES MORE ON METRO AND BLAZER.
UH, THE GOALS, THE GENERAL GOALS OF THIS AREA PLAN ARE TO ENCOURAGE A VARIETY OF USES WITH AMENITIES FOR WORKERS, HOTEL VISITORS, AND RESIDENTS TO UTILIZE OPEN SPACE'S, FOCAL POINTS, AND USABLE AMENITIES, AND TO SUPPORT INFILL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AT KEY LOCATIONS TO SUPPORT OFFICE.
UH, SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE CONSIDERED IN THE DELIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN FOR THIS SITE, UH, IN JUST IN GENERAL, THE M U R DISTRICT, OUR OFFICE, INFILL RESIDENTIAL, UH, IN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, MORE SPECIFICALLY ALONG FRANCE ROAD.
THE AREA PLAN DOES CALL OUT VACANT SITES, UH, AND PROVIDE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EACH OF THESE SITES.
UH, THIS IS SITE NUMBER SIX, WHICH CALLS FOR SUPPORT OF OFFICE AND TECH USES, BUT ALSO CALLS FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, SUBORDINATE TO OFFICE, UH, AS BEING AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE SITE AS WELL.
THIS ALSO CALLS FOR A NORTH-SOUTH, UH, STREET CONNECTION, WHICH WOULD CONNECT METRO AND BLAZER IN THE FUTURE, UH, WITH A MINIMUM OF FOUR-STORY BUILDINGS AND A MAXIMUM OF SIX-STORY BUILDINGS HERE.
SO THIS APPLICATION WAS BEFORE YOU AS AN INFORMAL REVIEW BACK IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
UH, A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
THE APPLICANT WAS PROPOSING SEVEN RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, 300, UH, DWELLING UNITS, 450 PARKING SPACES, AND ABOUT 7.75 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
THIS COMES OUT TO A DENSITY OF 16 UNITS PER ACRE AND A PARKING RATIO OF 1.5 SPACES PER UNIT.
UH, SOME OF THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK IN GENERAL, THE COMMISSION DID ACKNOWLEDGE THAT RESIDENTIAL IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS AREA.
UH, BUT SOME OF THE, THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE, UH, THAT WERE ADDRESSED ARE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS CONTINUING TO ADDRESS, ARE CHALLENGING HOW THE SITE INTEGRATES WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, UH, SO THAT THIS ISN'T JUST A ONE-OFF DEVELOPMENT AND DOESN'T SECLUDE WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE SIDE, BUT ALSO RECOMMENDATIONS OF, UH, HOW THIS CONTRIBUTES TO THE MIXED USE INTENT OF THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN.
SO ON THE SCREEN IS THE CONCEPT PLAN SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW TONIGHT.
UH, THE RED INDICATES A DECREASE IN, UH, FROM THE PREVIOUS INFORMAL REVIEW.
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INCREASE.UH, SO THERE ARE NOW PROPOSED SIX RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE SITE, 330 UNITS AND 480 PARKING SPACES.
UH, THIS CREATES A DENSITY THAT'S INCREASED TO 21 UNITS PER ACRE AND 1.45 PARKING, UH, SPACES PER UNIT.
THESE ARE IN RESPONSE TO SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY, BY THE COMMISSION OF A DESIRE TO INCREASE SOME OF THE, UH, DENSITY THAT WAS PROVIDED, BUT ALSO POTENTIALLY LOWERING, UH, SOME OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR EACH OF THESE UNITS.
THIS PROPOSAL DOES STILL PRO PROVIDE THE NORTH SOUTH, UH, METRO BLAZER CONNECTION.
THAT'S AS MUCH AS THEY CAN DO WITH THIS SITE.
BUT THERE'S ALSO A CALL OUT, UH, OF ADDITIONAL FUTURE STREET CONNECTIONS, BOTH TO THE EAST AND WEST AND TO THE SOUTH SHOULD THESE SITES DEVELOP OR REDEVELOP IN THE FUTURE.
OTHER THINGS, OTHER UPDATES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED, AND I'LL LOOK TO THEM TO EXPLAIN THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, DURING THEIR PRESENTATION, BUT OBVIOUSLY REDUCING THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS FROM SEVEN TO SIX, THEY'VE INCREASED BUILDING HEIGHT FOR MOST BUILDINGS, FROM THREE TO FOUR STORIES INCREASED THE UNIT COUNT BY 30 UNITS.
THEY'VE UPDATED THE STREET NETWORK INTO MORE OF A GRIDDED NETWORK, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THAT INTEGRATION, UH, OF A ADJACENT PROPERTIES DISTRIBUTED OPEN SPACE TOWARDS THE COSS GRAY DITCH AND PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
UH, SO IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL AND WHAT IS SHOWN NOW, THEY HAVE DECREASED THAT CENTRAL OPEN SPACE, UH, CALLING IT MORE OF A CENTRAL GREEN AND ADDED SPACE IS LIKE A DOG PARK ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, UH, BUT ALSO ADDING A LITTLE BIT TO THE COSWAY CORRIDOR.
THEY'VE ALSO OPENED UP THE COSWAY CORRIDOR, UH, AND NOT HAVING THE POLAND PARKING, BUT HAVING PARALLEL PARKING ALONG THAT STREET FRONT EDGE.
UH, AND FINALLY, THE APPLICANT IS INCORPORATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR FLEX SPACE IN A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, ON THEIR GROUND FLOOR PLAN.
THE INTENT, AND I'LL LET THE APPLICANT EXPLAIN THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THE INTENT IS THAT THIS IS GONNA BE FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE.
UH, THAT COULD IN THE FUTURE BE CONVERTED TO RETAIL, SHOULD THE MARKET ALLOW FOR IT.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING PROPOSED AS A DAY ONE, UH, AMENITY FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.
AND FINALLY, JUST TO, UH, FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH WHAT THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY FEEL LIKE IN THE FUTURE, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THIS RENDERING, UH, FROM A STREET LEVEL OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ALONG, UH, THIS PUBLIC STREET FRONTAGE.
SO THE QUESTIONS ARE PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE LAST TIME.
THIS WAS BEFORE YOU LOOKING AT, UH, HOW THE COMMISSION WOULD SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT A COMBINATION OF PROPOSED USES, THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE, UH, THE OPEN SPACE, AND HOW THAT MEETS THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE AREA PLAN, AND THEN THE PROPOSED MASSING OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE.
LOOKING AT THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME, MR. SOUP BLACK.
UM, ZACH, THE, I GUESS I'M GOING TO THE CONNECTIONS TO THE FUTURE SITES OR FUTURE ADJACENT SITES, THE, THE ROADWAY CONNECTIONS THAT WERE ITEMIZED.
CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT? FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE? THOSE, YES, THOSE THREE, THREE PURPLE ARROWS.
ARE YOU ASKING DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD OR, OR JUST WHERE THE CITY, YEAH.
UM, SO WE HAVE MET WITH THE APPLICANT FOLLOWING THE, THE LAST TIME, THIS WAS BEFORE YOU ALL, UH, AND A LOT OF THIS DISCUSSION WAS AROUND HOW IS THIS GONNA CONTRIBUTE AND ALLOW FOR ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO DEVELOPED.
UM, PART OF THAT WAS CREATING MORE OF A GRIDDED SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHAT YOU CURRENTLY SEE.
UH, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS EMBARKING ON, ON OUR OWN END.
THIS IS NOT THE APPLICANT, BUT THE CITY IS EMBARKING ON, UH, A METRO CENTER.
IT CAP, IT CAPTURES M U R ONE, UH, BUT LOOKING AT SOME SORT OF FRAMEWORK PLAN OF HOW DO WE ENVISION THIS TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE? WHAT STREET CONNECTIONS DO WE THINK ARE GONNA BE FEASIBLE AND WHAT'S GONNA BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE THIS THE BEST PLAN, UH, IN THE BEST AREA THAT WE WANT IT TO BE? SO A LOT OF THIS DOES COME DOWN TO A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE GONNA BE AS THIS PLAN DOES COME TO FRUIT FRUITION.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING ON.
BUT, UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS AWARE THAT, THAT WE ARE GONNA BE STARTING THAT PROCESS SOON, BUT STILL WANTED TO BRING SOMETHING BEFORE TONIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME, MS. HARDER? I HAVE ONE.
DID, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON, UM, NEAR THE COVERED PARKING THAT TURN RADIUS, UM, AROUND THE CORNER THERE TO GET IN THERE? IS THAT TIGHT OR YOUR PERSPECTIVE OF THAT AT THIS POINT? IT'S PURELY CONCEPTUAL.
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UM, SO WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED TURN RADIUS, UM, ROAD WIDTHS.EVERYTHING IS AT THE MOMENT IS JUST TO GAIN FEEDBACK.
AND THEN OUTSIDE, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION A LITTLE FURTHER OUT.
UM, AND IT MAY BE MORE OF A STATE QUESTION, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN HELP WITH, WITH THAT.
UM, DO, DOES THAT AREA HAVE A WALL THAT, UM, SEPARATES THE TWO? AND IF IT IS, IS IT A NOISE RELATED OR JUST A SCREENING? EXCUSE ME.
SO THAT AREA DOES NOT HAVE A WALL CURRENTLY.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS DICTATED BY ODOT.
UM, THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED FOR THIS AREA.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE TOO MANY WALLS WITHIN THE TWO 70 BOUNDARY IN, IN DUBLIN.
UM, I THINK THERE'S, THERE WAS A PURPOSE TO, TO TRYING TO CONTINUE KEEPING THAT.
YEAH, I, I, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF, UM, JUST WITH NOISE AND SO FORTH AND OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PROPERTY CHANGING AND THINGS OF THAT SORT OF, THAT WAS A CONCERN OR IF THAT CAME UP AT ALL.
AND MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE TOO SOON.
I MEAN, I THINK MAYBE TO BE NOTED IN THE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES, THAT'S ONE OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS OF WHY THAT CORRIDOR LONG TWO 70 HAS REALLY BEEN FOCUSED ON NON-RESIDENTIAL USES TO AVOID THAT.
UM, THAT'S NOT A DESIRED OUTCOME FOR, AND WHY THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT RESIDENTIAL ALONG THAT FREEWAY.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE JUST A COUPLE.
UM, AND JENNY, I MIGHT HAVE TO PULL YOU IN HERE FOR THE HISTORY.
CAN YOU THINK OF ANY AREA THAT'S BEEN DONE IN DUBLIN FOR HOUSING PURPOSES IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS THAT HAS EXECUTED COVERED PARKING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THIS APPLICATION? I CANNOT THINK OF ANYTHING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE ISN'T.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME, A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY ON POST ROAD THAT HAS SOME, UM, FOR THE MOST PART IT'S EITHER GARAGE PARKING OR STANDARD SURFACE LOTS.
WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT FOR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS.
BUT YEAH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY.
UH, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME OF THE HISTORY BETWEEN, BEHIND THE LANGUAGE RESIDENTIAL SUBORDINATE TO OFFICE? WELL, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE INTENT FOR THE DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN.
UM, AND MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OFFICE AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF USES AND HOW THOSE ARE INCORPORATED WITHIN THAT LARGER DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN.
UM, PARTICULARLY WITH THE SPECIFIC SITES, THERE WAS A LOT OF STUDY AND CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE ON THOSE SITES.
SO AGAIN, KNOWING THAT OFFICE IS THE PRIMARY DRIVER WITHIN THIS AREA, UM, AND THAT BEING THE KEY FOCUS OF WHAT'S MADE THIS AREA WHAT IT IS, BUT ALSO KNOWING THAT IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UM, PARTICULAR SITES OR AREAS WITHIN THE CORPORATE AREA PLAN TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL, THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, BUT THE INTENT BEING SUBORDINATE TO THAT LARGER OFFICE USE.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE TIME TURN TIME OVER TO THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE.
UH, AARON UNDERHILL WITH UNDERHILL AND HODGE ATTORNEY FOR THE UTI COMPANIES, UH, HERE THIS EVENING.
WE'VE GOT, UM, OTHER REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMPANY HERE AS WELL AS, UM, SOME OTHER CONSULTANTS.
SO, UM, WE RECOGNIZE WE'RE AT THE CONCEPT PLAN STAGE.
I THINK OUR, UH, OVERRIDING GOAL IS TO GET A GENERAL, UH, THUMBS UP OR GREEN LIGHT FROM ALL OF YOU THAT WE SHOULD GO TO THE NEXT STAGE, WHICH IS MUCH MORE INTENSIVE IN TERMS OF ENGINEERING AND PLANNING AND, AND OBVIOUSLY EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS ON, ON THE, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PART.
SO OUR GOAL OUT OUTTA HERE TONIGHT IS TO, TO SEE IF WE CAN GAIN YOUR GENERAL SUPPORT.
I THINK THAT, UH, WE HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB ON OUR SIDE HERE OF, OF THOROUGHLY REVIEWING YOUR COMMENTS THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, AND I'VE MADE THE CHANGES THAT ZACH HAS, UH, UH, KIND OF DESCRIBED TO YOU.
WE ALSO PROVIDED YOU IN OUR PACKET WITH, UM, OUR VIEWS ON HOW WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE CONSIDERATIONS.
I THINK I WANT TO, I THINK THE ONE ONE POINT HERE THAT WE PROBABLY DIDN'T GET ALL THE WAY WITH, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO MEET YOU HALFWAY, IS ON THE USE, UH, CONCERNS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW LAST TIME, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT, WELL, SHOULD WE HAVE MORE COMMERCIAL MIXED IN HERE OR, OR SOME COMMERCIAL MIXED IN HERE? AND, UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE, UH, WE, WE REALLY DON'T BELIEVE THE MARKET IS MATURE ENOUGH FOR THAT YET.
AND, UM, UH, PROBABLY WON'T BE FOR SOME TIME.
AND I THINK THAT'S EVIDENCED BY THE FACT THAT THIS COMMISSION TO, AT LEAST TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ANY PROJECT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN HAS REALLY NOT BROUGHT THAT SORT OF COMPONENT
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HERE.BUT IS THAT TO SAY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN? NO.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TRIED TO DESIGN SPACES ON THE FIRST FLOORS OF THESE BUILDINGS WHERE THEY COULD BE CONVERTED EASILY, UH, INTO A RESTAURANT OR RETAIL OR SOME SORT OF SERVICE COMPONENT LATER ON WHEN THAT MARKET DOES MATURE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DEVIL WILL BE IN THE DETAILS, AND IT'LL BE ON ME IN PARTICULAR TO WRITE A ZONING TEXT THAT PROVIDES FOR THOSE POSSIBILITIES.
ONE IDEA I HAVE IS, UM, POSSIBLY ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING THOSE USES AS PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL AND REQUIRING THEM TO COME BACK TO YOU TO EVALUATE THINGS SUCH AS SIGNAGE AND PARKING AND OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT.
SO, UM, RATHER THAN DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND AND SAY, NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT, WE ARE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF ACCOMMODATING IT IN THE FUTURE.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE INTEND TO DO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT STAGE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OF THE OPINION THAT IN THIS, THIS AREA, A SIGNIFICANT MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT IS NEEDED TO REALLY SORT OF JUMPSTART SOME OF THE OTHER COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, NOT ONLY HERE, BUT EVEN ALONG FRANCE ROAD.
UM, I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK MORE DEEPLY INTO THE DCAP PLAN FOR THIS AREA, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT CALLS OUT RESIDENTIAL AS A SORT OF A PERMITTED USE AND, AND SUPPORTING USE FOR THE OFFICE AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS TO COME.
BUT WHEN YOU GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT, UM, THIS COMMISSION, UH, FOR ITS OWN REASONS HAS BEEN, UH, NOT IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL GENERALLY ALONG TWO 70.
SO THAT KIND OF TAKES A PRETTY WIDE SWATH OUT OF THIS, UH, LITTLE SUBDISTRICT OUTTA PLAY.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ON FRANCE ROAD, UM, MORE OF A MIXED USE COMPONENT IS CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE THERE.
BUT, SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THIS INSIDE CORE OF THIS SUBDISTRICT TO WHERE SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD, COULD, UH, IS, IS BEST SUITED.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT WITH, UM, WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS, IT COULD BE A CATALYST FOR SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS, BUT THE MARKET OFTENTIMES TELLS US MORE THAN AN EXPERT CAN, AND THAT IS THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING ANYBODY BRINGING, UH, REALLY A TRULY MIXED USE, UH, TO, TO THIS PART OF THE AREA, UH, ONLY BECAUSE THE, THE MARKET IS NOT RIPE FOR IT YET.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL CHANGE.
UM, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT ANY POINT THAT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS OR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
WE WANTED TO JUST GET OUT IN FRONT OF THAT ISSUE AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNEW WHAT OUR INTENT WAS.
I THINK LARGELY, UM, THE CONNECTIVITY HAS BEEN IMPROVED ON THE PLAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, I THINK, IN THE FUTURE ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT COMMITMENTS CAN BE MADE FOR THOSE.
FOR INSTANCE, BE PUBLIC STREETS IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD THERE EVER BE, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIONS TO THE NORTH OR THE WEST OR THE EAST.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S AT A, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT HERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO IN THE FUTURE.
UH, THE GREEN SPACE IN PARTICULAR, I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB.
OUR TEAM HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF BALANCING, UM, OUR DESIRE FOR AN INTERNAL OPEN SPACE WITH, UM, THE NEED TO SORT OF MAKE IT, UH, MORE INVITING FOR THE AIR OTHER, UH, AREA RESIDENTS OR EMPLOYEES OR VISITORS TO COME.
SO, UM, WE'VE, UH, SHORTENED UP AND, AND REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE INTERIOR TO THE, UH, BUILDING COURTS AND ADDED, UH, MORE ALONG THE PERIMETERS, WHICH, UM, HOPEFULLY IS A HEALTHY BALANCE, UH, TO ADDRESS BOTH OF OUR GOALS.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO, UH, UH, LEAVE IT TO ALL OF YOU TO MAKE COMMENTS AND, AND PRESENT QUESTIONS WE'LL BRING US, UH, APPROPRIATE, UH, EXPERTS UP AS NEEDED.
WE'LL NOW TAKE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
MR. CHINOOK, JUST A COUPLE QUICK CLARIFICATIONS.
SO CAN YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE MIXED USE AND BRINGING IN RETAIL.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT? YOU SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF POTENTIALLY DOWN IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD INITIALLY BE, AND, AND, AND I GUESS IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THIS PLAN, WHERE WOULD THAT EXACTLY OCCUR IF YOU WERE TO DO RETAIL RESTAURANT? AND THEN, SORRY, ONE MORE.
AND THEN WOULD THAT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, OR IS THAT JUST NOT PUBLIC, BUT THE RESIDENCE ONLY, OR WOULD THAT BE ENCOURAGED TO, UM, HAVE, HAVE PEOPLE VISIT THE SITE? SURE.
SO INITIALLY, AND, AND YOU'LL COME UP HERE, ERIC, INITIALLY, I'LL LET, I'LL LET HIM SPEAK TO EXACTLY WHICH BUILDINGS WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, BUT BY THE WAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ART GALLERY IN THE CLUBHOUSE, RIGHT? THAT WAS NOT MENTIONED.
UM, YEAH, SO SOMETHING THAT'S, SORRY, ERIC BOOK WITH TI COMPANIES.
UM, SO SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TI ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS IS A CURATED ART PROGRAM.
WE DO FOCUS ON ART PROGRAMS INSIDE THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, AND THEN PUBLIC FACING ART, UM, AS WELL.
SO WHICH, WHICH BUILDINGS WOULD WE, ARE WE ACCOMMODATING? SO WE ARE, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A VERY CONCEPTUAL PLAN, SO WE'RE WILLING TO, TO WORK THROUGH WITH YOU DURING THE, THE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD ON WHERE THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOCATED.
BUT IT WOULD BE IDEALLY ALONG THAT NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR.
SO LOOKING AT BUILDING SIX, BUILDING THREE, UM, POSSIBLY BUILDING TWO AND BUILDING FOUR ON THOSE ENDS.
BUT IT WOULD BE KIND OF FOCUSED ON THAT NORTH SOUTH
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CONNECTOR.AND I, I THINK, UM, INITIALLY WHAT WE'RE WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE HOLDING THOSE OUT AS CO-WORKING SPACES FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK AS TIME MOVES ON AND THE, AND THE MARKET DOES GET, UM, A LITTLE BETTER FOR THESE SORTS OF USES, THOSE WOULD, THOSE WOULD BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE DINING AND ENTERTAINMENT AND SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES.
THE, THE CENTRAL GREEN AREA, IS THAT DESIGNED TO BE PEDESTRIAN ONLY OR IS THAT, IS THAT VEHICULAR ACCESS THROUGH THERE? IS THAT A STRUCTURE THERE? OR WHAT IS THAT AREA? UM, THE NORTH, THE NORTH SOUTH PIECE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THAT IS FOR, UH, VEHICULAR ACCESS WITH PARALLEL PARKING ON EACH SIDE.
IT'S PEDESTRIAN FOCUSED, I GUESS IS WHAT I WOULD SAY, BUT YOU CAN USE THAT AS A, YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH.
YES, YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH THAT.
WE WERE THINKING WE COULD MIX UP THE MATERIAL, MAYBE DO SOME PAVERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MAKE IT FEEL A LITTLE BIT NICER THROUGH THAT CENTRAL GREEN AREA, BUT IT IS INTENDED TO BE A NORTH, SOUTH VEHICULAR ROAD.
AND THEN ONE MORE, SORRY, THEN WE'LL BE DONE.
THE, UH, ARE, ARE, IS THE COVERED PARKING, IS THAT CRITICAL TO THE PROJECT, OR IS THAT NEGOTIABLE? UH, THAT WAS HONESTLY IN RESPONSE TO A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE AT THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.
UM, SO IT'S NOT CRITICAL TO WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING, SO WE'D BE WILLING TO WORK ON THAT WITH YOU AS WELL.
MR. SHANI, I JUST WANTED TO PICK UP ON, ON JAMIE'S POINTS.
UM, SO THE, THE CURATED ART, COULD YOU DESCRIBE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONTAINED WITHIN A BUILDING, ONE OF THE BUILDINGS, AND PRESUMABLY IF IT'S IN ONE OF ANY BUILDING OTHER THAN THE CLUBHOUSE, IT WOULD NOT BE, UM, ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC? UH, TYPICALLY WE HAVE IT IN ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS, SO EACH OF THESE BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE A, SOME TYPE OF CURATED ART PROGRAM WITHIN THE BUILDINGS.
AND THEN WE USUALLY, LIKE IF YOU GO TO SOME OF OUR DOWNTOWN PROJECTS LIKE LIBRARY PARK, WE DO HAVE EXTERIOR PUBLIC FACING ART AS WELL.
AND THEN, UM, THE, I THE CONCEPT OF SORT OF FUTURE RETAIL, YOU ANTICIPATE THAT YOU WOULD SHARE HOW YOU WOULD IN INITIALLY BUILD OUT THE BUILDINGS WITH THE FIRST FLOOR COWORKING SPACE THAT YOU WOULD, THAT MIGHT BE CONVERTED LATER ON, IS THAT, YES.
SO YOU WOULD RESERVE CERTAIN SPOTS? YES.
SO THERE'D BE AREAS IN THIS BUILDING THAT WE WOULD HAVE COWORKING SPACE FOR OUR RESIDENTS DAY ONE, BUT BUILT AND DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT WHEN THE MARKET DEMAND ALLOWS FOR THE AREA, WE COULD CONVERT IT TO RETAIL IN THE FUTURE.
BECAUSE, I MEAN, RETAIL WOULD BE A GREAT AMENITY FOR US IN THE FUTURE.
WE BELIEVE IT ONCE THE MARKET'S THERE, BUT WE DON'T THINK IT WOULD DAY ONE, BE ABLE TO SURVIVE A TENANT.
YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN, IT IS A CHICKEN AND EGG, BUT THE CONCERN IS IF IT'S NOT PLANNED FOR APPROPRIATELY, IT'S LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, NOW IT'S TOO HARD TO CONVERT THIS.
SO, YEAH, SO WE WOULD WANNA MAKE IT, WE WOULD WANNA PLAN AND DESIGN IT IN A WAY THAT WE COULD DO IT EASILY IN THE FUTURE.
AND ONE MORE POINT ALONG THOSE LINES, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, BECAUSE THE CLUBHOUSE IS THE ONE BUILDING THAT IS MOST PUBLICLY, POTENTIALLY PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY RETAIL THERE, OR FUTURE RETAIL THERE? I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE'D BE WILLING TO, TO WORK WITH YOU ON.
UM, WE, FRANKLY, SO THE, WE WOULD HAVE CO-WORKING SPACE IN THAT CLUBHOUSE AS WELL.
AND WE'VE, AND MOST OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA HAVE SOME TYPE OF CO-WORKING SPACE BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE FROM THE BUILDING TO THAT CLUBHOUSE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THE BUILDINGS ON THAT NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR ARE CLOSER TO THAT CLUBHOUSE.
SO WE WERE THINKING THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THE RETAIL LOCATION.
AND, AND I THINK IF, IF THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY'S GOAL IS, IS TO HAVE THOSE USES IN THE FUTURE, I THINK OUR, THE THING I LIKE ABOUT THIS IS OUR INTERESTS ARE ALIGNED BECAUSE, UM, IT'S GONNA BE A MUCH BETTER FINANCIAL, UM, UH, OUTCOME FOR, FOR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE THOSE LEASED OUT BY COMMERCIAL TENANTS.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, CLEARLY JUST COMMON SENSE WOULD TELL YOU THE RENTS WILL BE HIGHER THAN HAVING A COWORKING SPACE.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. WE, SO THE BUILDINGS YOU'RE PROPOSING ARE MOSTLY FOUR STORY, AND I THINK THERE'S ONE THREE STORY OR, UM, AND THE DCAP PLAN ALLOWS FOR SIX STORIES.
UH, ANY REASON WHY YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF KIND OF THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND THEN CAPACITY POTENTIALLY OF THE SITE? SURE.
AND I MIGHT HAVE JEFF COME UP JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PLAN HERE AS WELL.
I'LL, I'LL ANSWER THE FIRST PART OF THAT QUESTION FROM A, FROM A HEIGHT AND DENSITY STANDPOINT.
UH, AND I THINK I SAID THIS LAST TIME, AND YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT IN THIS UPDATED PLAN, IS THE HIGHER WE GO THE MORE PARKING WE NEED.
SO THE MORE DENSITY WE GET, THE MORE PARKING WE'RE GONNA NEED, AND THE LESS GREEN SPACE WE'RE GONNA HAVE.
SO IT'S A DELICATE, DELICATE BALANCE.
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SO, BEFORE MR. GANIS COMES UP, LET ME JUST, SO HAVE YOU CONSIDERED DOING PARKING UNDER THE BUILDINGS AND THAT TO ALLOW YOU TO GO HIGHER AND NOT JUST HAVE SURFACE PARKING ON THE SITE? UH, SO WE HAVE, UM, UNFORTUNATELY JUST ECONOMICALLY, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ON THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE GONE TO SERVICE PARKING.AND THEN I THINK I MENTIONED IT LAST TIME, WE WERE ALSO VERY THOUGHTFUL WITH HOW WE TRIED TO LAY OUT THE PARKING WITH SERVICE PARKING WAS TO BE PEOPLE ABLE TO PARK AS CLOSE TO THEIR FRONT DOOR AS POSSIBLE.
SO, SO ECONOMICALLY MEANING THAT YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH UNITS TO HELP PAY FOR THAT IF YOU WENT DOWN THAT ROAD? CORRECT.
AND IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE UNITS AND IT'D ALSO BE JUST RENT IN GENERAL AND RENT.
SO YOU CAN'T CHARGE ENOUGH RENT FOR THE UNITS IN THIS PARTICULAR SITE SITE TO GENERATE THE INCOME THAT YOU NEED TO PAY OFF THE DEBT SERVICE? WELL, AND I, AND I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE SAID THIS BEFORE IN, IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, IT'S, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE MORE WORRIED ABOUT SPENDING MONEY WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING AND LESS ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE PARKING.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE FOCUSED OUR ATTENTION.
OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. FISHMAN, YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT PARKING AND I TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME.
YOU'RE ADDING 30 UNITS AND YOU'RE ADDING 30 PLACES.
UM, AND, AND I I, YOU, YOU HAVEN'T CONVINCED ME THAT THE, THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA ONLY HAVE ONE CAR.
I THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT BRIDGE PARK, IT'S YOUNG PROFESSIONALS, THEY HAVE TWO CARS PER, PER UNIT.
UH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT.
THE OTHER THING THAT, THAT CONCERNING, WE LOOKED AT THIS, IS THAT THE PARKING IS, IS AROUND THE PERIMETER.
AND SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF CARS, WHICH ISN'T VERY ATTRACTIVE.
YOU SEE GREEN, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF LISTENING TO US.
I THINK YOU'VE REALLY MADE A GREAT EFFORT, BUT I THINK THE PERIMETER IS GONNA BE SOLID CARS, AND, AND THERE'S STILL NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH SPACES.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CARS ON THE STREET, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CARS EVERYWHERE.
SO, UM, I, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
YOU EITHER HAVE TO LOWER THE DENSITY OR PUT UNDERGROUND PARKING, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY IT'S EXPENSIVE, UH, TO GET RID OF SOME OF THOSE CARS.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT PROJECT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE CARS, LOTS OF 'EM.
UM, SO I I, I, YOU WOULD SEE 'EM IN THE OFFICE BUILDING AS WELL AND THE YEAH.
OFFICE BUILDINGS PARKING LOT, RIGHT.
NO, THE CAR'S FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING, I WILL, I'LL SAY THIS ABOUT THE, THE PARKING RATIO THAT WE CAME UP WITH.
IT WASN'T AN ARBITRARY, LIKE WE'RE JUST SHOOTING FOR 1.4 OR FIVE SPACES PER UNIT.
UH, IT'S ACTUALLY BASED OFF OF THE U L I BASED PARKING RATIO STANDARDS THAT THEY'VE PUBLISHED.
UM, AND THEIR BOOK IS A SHARED PARKING BOOK.
UH, WE CAN, I ACTUALLY HAVE A COPY BACK HERE AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN TAKING A LOOK AT IT, UH, WARREN, UH, BUT THEY WORK WITH THE I C S C AND THE NATIONAL PARKING ASSOCIATION AND THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE AND PERFORM STUDIES ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY FOR PROJECTS JUST LIKE THIS.
AND SO WE TAKE THOSE RATIOS AND THEN WE APPLY 'EM TO OUR UNIT OR A UNIT MIX THAT WE HAVE IN THIS PROJECT, AND THAT'S HOW WE COME UP WITH THOSE RATIOS.
AND, AND THE OTHER PROBLEM I SEE, I'M, I'M NOT FOCUSED ON CARS, BUT THE OTHER PROBLEM IS YOU'RE CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY, AND SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PARKING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC NOISE, UH, AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE, UH, THE SOUND WALLS, AND WE DON'T WANT THE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO PUT THOSE SOUND WALLS AND, AND, AND AFTER, YEAH, THOSE ARE OCCUPIED.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE DOWN AT CITY COUNCIL SCREAMING THAT THEY WANT SOUND WALLS JUST LIKE THEY DO IN COLUMBUS.
AND, AND, UH, THAT'S GONNA CREATE ANOTHER PROBLEM FOR THE CITY.
WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IN THE LONG RUN, UH, THERE WILL BE BUILDINGS BETWEEN THIS PROJECT AND THE HIGHWAY, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE A NATURAL BARRIER.
AND I WOULD ASSUME THOSE ARE GONNA BE FOUR TO, WAS IT EIGHT, EIGHT OR SIX STORIES? I FORGET.
SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, UH, RIGHT ALONG THE FREEWAY, TALLER BUILDINGS ARE APPROPRIATE.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, THAT KIND OF TAKEN CARE OF FOR US.
MR. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. WE, SO, SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL ARE, ARE PIONEERING KIND OF IN THIS AREA, RIGHT? AND I, I TOTALLY GET THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA RETAIL HERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME OR ANY KIND OF GROUND LEVEL USE, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE MORE STREET ENGAGING AND ALL THAT.
IT'S, IS GONNA BE A CHALLENGE.
BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THE IDEA OF CREATING A DESTINATION HERE THAT WOULD NOT ONLY SUPPORT OR SERVE THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT COULD POTENTIALLY SERVE THE EXISTING WIDER AREA AND, AND CREATE A, A PLACE THAT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW, WHETHER
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IT'S A RECREATION RELATED THING OR SOMETHING THAT IS, IS A DESTINATION THAT BRINGS PEOPLE TO THIS SITE AND SUPPORTS YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND HELPS TO ENERGIZE THE REST OF THE, THE AREA.HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY MORE THOUGHT TO THAT? I, I USE THE TERM CHICKEN AND PICKLE, BUT I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, PICKLEBALL AND CHICKEN.
SO I, AGAIN, I, I THINK, AND I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF THE BEST WAY TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION, KIM.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT JUST OVERALL WITH THE BEST USES THAT WE COULD PUT ON THIS SITE.
AND I WOULD SAY RELYING ON ONE THING, WHETHER IT'S A RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING, TO, TO CREATE ENOUGH ACTIVITY TO PROVIDE ENOUGH OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR RETAIL, I MEAN, THAT'S, IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO ACCOMPLISH AND VERY HARD TO DESIGN AROUND ON THIS INITIAL PLAN.
AND WE ARE REALLY, WE REALLY ARE, I MEAN, WE WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PLAN THAT WE'VE PROPOSED BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE REALLY ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE EARLY CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT UP THE FIRST TIME.
UM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS ACCOMMODATING AS WE CAN ON, ON THE RETAIL FRONT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT RETAIL IN THIS AREA IN THE FUTURE, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
NOW, I KNOW THE STRUGGLES THAT HAVE HAPPENED ALONG JUST THE FRANCE ROAD CORRIDOR OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS OF GETTING GOOD, GOOD TENANTS IN THAT RETAIL.
UM, AND WE JUST DON'T WANNA BE PUT IN THAT POSITION.
UM, BUT WE WANT THE, WE DON'T WANT TO CLOSE THE DOOR, LIKE AARON SAID, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION THAT TOO, BECAUSE ONE OF THE, I THINK ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS HERE WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS WE, WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE POTENTIAL FOR MIXED USE, BUT THEN WE HAVE A PARKING ISSUE.
SO IS THE PARKING COUNTS BASED ON THE RESIDENTIAL CONCERNS, OR IS IT BECAUSE, BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO SAY, WELL, WE MAY, MAY HAVE A RESTAURANT, WE MIGHT HAVE RETAIL, YOU'RE DRIVING OBVIOUSLY MORE TRAFFIC THERE, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARKING ISSUE CONSIDERING THAT ALL THE RES, YOU KNOW, EACH RESIDENT HAS ONE POINT, HAVE MANY CARS, AND THEN YOU'VE, YOU'VE ADDED ANOTHER USE THERE TOO.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO JUST CONSIDER THAT THERE'S GONNA BE PROBABLY A CONCERN WITH PARKING.
I WOULD THINK YOU HEAR ME? OKAY, GREAT.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST CONTINUE TO WORK, WORK ON AS WE GET TO THIS NEXT STEP WITH THE PRE DEVELOP OR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD, BUT I, UM, AGAIN, WITH THE U L I PARKING RATIOS, THEY, THEY TAKE A LOT OF THIS INTO CONSIDERATION WITH, WITH MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS THAT HAVE RETAIL.
SO IT'S JUST THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND, AND PERHAPS WHEN WE COME BACK THROUGH WITH A, A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE COULD PROVIDE MORE DATA FROM THOSE, UM, THOSE, UH, PIECES OF LITERATURE AND STUDIES AND DATA MM-HMM.
I, UH, I HAVE, I HAVE THE BOOK WITH ME IF ANYBODY'S REALLY
I DID, I DID BRING IT MR. SU BLACK.
I'LL, I'LL KEEP GOING DOWN THE, DOWN THE, UM, UH, MIXED USE FOR 400 PLEASE.
UM, THE, AND IT'S A KIND OF SIMILAR QUESTION AS JAMIE WAS GOING TO RIGHT HERE, HERE.
YOUR CONCERN ABOUT RETAIL EARLY AND HERE, THE POTENTIAL FOR IT TO BLOSSOM LATER, I GUESS I'M, I'M, AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD MEAN IT'S PROBABLY THE GROUND FLOOR REALISTICALLY, HOWEVER, RIGHT.
UM, SOME OF THE RETAIL SPACES REQUIRE, USUALLY REQUIRE OR WANT CALL OUR CEILINGS OR DIFFERENT, RIGHT? IF IT, IF IT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A RESTAURANT, IT WOULD NEED A WHOLE DIFFERENT SORT OF BACK OF HOUSE THAT, UM, COULD PROVE PROBLEMATIC RELATIVE TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT IN PLACE HERE.
AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE BEING YOUR BUILDINGS.
WHAT DID YOU IMAGINE COULD POTENTIALLY, IF, IF THAT WERE TO PLAY OUT ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT PATH AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING BLOSSOMS AROUND YOU AND, UH, YOU'RE PUTTING IN SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE INTO THIS, WHAT REALISTICALLY CAN GO IN? WELL, I, I'LL SAY THIS ABOUT LIKE THE COMMENT REGARDING TALLER CEILINGS.
UM, TYPICALLY WE LIKE TO HAVE TALLER CEILINGS IN OUR AMENITY SPACES, UH, REGARDLESS.
UM, SO WE WOULD ALREADY TRY TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT, AND THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD DURING OUR CONCEPTUAL PLANNING OF, YOU KNOW, IF THIS DOES BECOME RETAIL IN THE FUTURE, HOW ARE WE GONNA HANDLE THESE CERTAIN ISSUES? AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, AS WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PROCESS AND GET DEEPER AND DEEPER INTO THESE DRAWINGS AND THE DESIGN OF HOW WE'RE GONNA LAY, ACTUALLY LAY OUT THESE BUILDINGS OF HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE SOME OF THOSE SITUATIONS.
BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE IS HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
SEPARATE, SEPARATE QUESTION, SEPARATE AREA.
AND I KNOW WE TOUCHED ON THE PARKING SPACE, UH, UH, I'M SORRY, THE, THE PAVED AREA GOING DOWN THE, THE CENTER HEART OF
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THE CENTRAL GREEN.BUT CAN YOU UNPACK AND TELL US MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU'ALL IMAGINED IN THE CENTRAL GREEN, HOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN INTENT OF IT RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS? SURE.
THIS ACTUALLY MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME FOR JEFF.
HE CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK MUCH LIKE A LOT OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS IN THE PROJECT, THIS IS AT A CONCEPTUAL STAGE RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IN THIS UPDATED CONCEPT IS CREATE A SERIES OF COURTYARDS THAT CAN BE PROGRAMMED WITH AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS.
THINGS THAT ARE WELL ORGANIZED, UM, OR I'M SORRY, COURTYARDS WELL ORGANIZED AROUND THE BUILDINGS TO SUPPORT THEM, UM, TO SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, GATHERING SPACES, INTIMATE SPACES, OUTDOOR KITCHENS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
OPEN LAWN AREA FOR FLEXIBLE USE, UM, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
SO I DON'T THINK ANY BIG SURPRISE THERE.
ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE SUPPORTED BY THE CLUBHOUSE AS THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, PREMIER OUTDOOR AMENITY ACCESS TO THE DOG PARK ON THE SOUTH AND THE COSS GRAY CORRIDOR TO THE NORTH.
AND THEN JUST SORT OF ORGANIZATIONALLY, YOU KNOW, THE SITE PLAN, UM, YOU ALL MIGHT IMAGINE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THERE, AND I'VE HEARD THE PHRASE WE'RE PIONEERING, THERE'S A CHICKEN AND EGG COMPONENT HERE, AND I THINK THAT'S TRUE.
SO THE QUESTION IN MY MIND IS, DO WE WANNA MAKE AN INCREMENTAL STEP FORWARD TO HELP CREATE MARKET CONDITIONS TO SUPPORT MIXED USE IN THE FUTURE? RIGHT? SO IN MY MIND, CREATING THOSE MARKET CONDITIONS MIGHT MEAN CREATING ROOFTOPS OR RESIDENTS LIVING HERE.
AND THEN IN RESPONSE TO THE SITE PLAN, THE DIAGRAM ITSELF, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, THE PROJECT IS SURROUNDED BY A LOT OF PARKING, AND IN FACT THAT THAT'S TRUE.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT TRADITIONALLY ON A PROJECT OF THIS SCALE AND THIS SIZE WOULD BE DESIGNED IN THE INVERSE SO THAT THE PARKING IS IN THE CENTER OF THE BLOCK.
BUT AGAIN, THIS CHICKEN AND EGG, THIS INCREMENTAL, THIS PIONEERING MOVE PUTS US IN A POSITION WHERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WE'RE BUTTED UP AGAINST OFFICE PARKING LOT AND THE WORKING END OF THE OFFICE BUILDING LOADING DOCK AND ACCESS ON THE WEST SIDE, SOUTHWEST SIDE, WE'RE ALSO FRONTED WITH THE PARKING LOT AND THE WORKING END OF THAT OFFICE BUILDING AGAIN.
SO THE BEST, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE SITE CONDITIONS, MEANING VERY LITTLE FRONTAGE ALONG BLAZER PARKWAY, THE BEST THING WE COULD DO IS CREATE AN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A STREET GRID THERE, GET THOSE BUILDINGS AS CLOSE TO BLAZER AS PARKWAY, CREATE AN ARCHITECTURAL FRONTAGE THERE, START TO CREATE CONDITIONS WHEREBY THIS PLACE STARTS TO FEEL MORE CONNECTED, SLIGHTLY MORE URBAN AND MORE WALKABLE, AND GIVES YOU THOSE VISUAL AND URBAN DESIGN CUES THAT THIS, THAT, THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT SORT OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IF YOU WANT A RATIONALE FOR THE SITE PLAN ITSELF, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD OFFER UP THE NEXT PROJECT OR THE PROJECT THAT COMES 15 YEARS LATER AFTER MANY OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE FLIPPED OR TURNED, MIGHT FIND AN ALTERNATE USE.
BUT AGAIN, SINCE THE PARKING IS BACK BEHIND THAT PRIMARY FRONTAGE, THIS SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE APPLICATION OF SITE PLANNING, UM, COMPONENTS.
AND THAT'S SORT OF WHY WE LANDED WHERE WE LANDED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME, MS. HARDER? I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUICK ONES.
UM, YOU KNOW HOW THERE'S A BUMP UP ON THE TOP? DOES THAT INDICATE INSIDE THAT, UH, THE CEILINGS ARE MUCH HIGHER IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE ROOF LINE, IT HAS A BUMP UP.
AND SO I'M JUST ASKING INSIDE, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT'S A VAULTED CEILING? IS IT MUCH DIFFERENT? UM, OR HAVE YOU INDICATED OR THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU WERE JUST MENTIONING MAYBE ROOFTOP KIND OF, UM, SCENARIO AS WELL TOO? BOTH MECHANICALS, AGAIN, I, I WOULD SAY THESE ARE, ARE VERY CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE.
AND DETAILS THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH.
UM, RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY THAT'S JUST SHOWN AS AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE OF A PAIR PIT THAT'S UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT VARIATION ALONG THAT ROOF LINE.
UH, AND NOT CONSIDERED REALLY TO AFFECT THE INSIDE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S VERY CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE AT THIS POINT.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT, DO YOU, UM, REACH OUT TO THE AREA BUSINESSES TO SAY, HEY, WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? DO YOU SEE, UM, SOME OF YOUR EMPLOYEES LIVING HERE, UH, OF THAT CONVENIENCE OF THE AMENITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL DO AT SOME POINT? UM, YES, WE HAVE.
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AND I ACTUALLY, I THINK THERE IS SOMEONE HERE, UH, FROM ONE OF THE BUSINESSES OF DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION.ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE PERSON SIGNED IN FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT.
HAVE WE RECEIVED ANYTHING DIGITALLY? THANK YOU, MR. ROUSH.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING PEPPER CONSTRUCTION OF OHIO.
WE ARE LOCATED AT 51 85 BLAZER PARKWAY, SUITE 1 0 1.
WE HAVE BEEN A BUSINESS LOCATED IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN FOR OVER 16 YEARS.
AND LIKE WE MENTIONED, WE'LL BE A NEIGHBOR TO THIS PROPERTY.
AND WE'RE HERE TO VOICE OUR SUPPORT FOR THE, SORRY, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE? CANDACE KLIP LOPEZ.
UM, WE'RE HERE TO VOICE OUR SUPPORT AS AN ORGANIZATION FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER ACTIVATE BLAZER PARKWAY FOR THE LOCAL BUSINESSES.
AND IT IS TRULY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PROVIDE OUR EMPLOYEES AN AREA WHERE THEY CAN LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY IN THE SAME KIND OF TRIANGLE.
UM, THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR EMPLOYEE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION, WHICH HAS BEEN A CONSTANT STRUGGLE IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY AS WELL AS OTHERS.
SO THIS WOULD BE A WELCOME HELP IN THAT AREA.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROPOSED CONNECTIONS TO THE NATURE TRAILS THAT WOULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, EVEN IF THEY DON'T WORK, OR, OR SORRY IF THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE PROPERTY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE DURING LUNCH BREAKS.
OR WE LIKE TO WALK AROUND AND HAVE MEETINGS OUTSIDE TOO.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, AND, UH, WE'RE EXCITED FOR THE PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO COMMISSION DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM.
MR. SCHNARE, DO YOU WANNA KICK US OFF THIS EVENING? SURE.
UM, UH, UM, I DO SUPPORT, I SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE MIXED USE.
UM, I'M GENERALLY IN, IN FAVOR OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN THUS FAR.
I'M NOT BOTHERED BY THE PARKING, UH, DENSITY AT, AT THIS POINT.
UM, I'M ACTUALLY NOT IN FAVOR OF UNDERGROUND PARKING AT THIS SITE BECAUSE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE BECAUSE I'M, I RELATE THAT TO THE AFFORDABILITY AND I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, THE CITY PROMOTE, UH, WOULD, I HOPE THIS WOULD BE MORE AFFORDABLE BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ISN'T UNDERGROUND PARKING, SO THE RENTS DON'T HAVE TO BE AS HIGH.
UM, I, THE, THE TRADE OFF WITH A COVERED PARKING, YOU KNOW, IT CONJURES UP, UH, A, A VISUAL THAT I THINK MOST OF US WOULD, WE'VE SEEN COVERED PARKING NOT DONE WELL.
UM, WE DIDN'T GET INTO THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D, I'D THROW OUT, UH, HOW YOU, HOW YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT IN A MANNER THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND ATTRACTIVE.
SO MY BIG CONCERN, IT JUST GOES BACK TO THE RETAIL AND BOY, WE'VE, I, I DIDN'T, I, I SHOULD'VE TICKED OFF THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT I HAVE OR ANYONE ELSE HAS USED CHICKEN AND EGG HERE, SO I'M GUILTY OF IT AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE STARBUCKS CENTER ON, ON FRANCE ROAD, I MEAN, IT'S, YES, IT'S ON, I GET IT, IT'S ON FRANCE ROAD.
THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC ON FRANCE ROAD, BUT WHEN YOU GO THERE NOW, IT IS A BIT OF AN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIT OF AN OUTLIER, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE, THEY'VE TAKEN A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION WITH THE DENSITY OF OFFICES HERE.
UM, AND TO THE POINT OF, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD THINK IT COULD SUPPORT SOME SORT OF RETAIL LUNCH.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT MY PROVINCE TO TELL YOU WHAT KIND OF RETAIL, UM, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
BUT, UH, SOME COMMITMENT TO DOING SOMETHING THERE.
UH, GEEZ, I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OFFICES, I'M SURE YOU'VE DONE THE STUDY OF LITERALLY, LITERALLY WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, UM, OF THIS FACILITY.
I AM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR IF THERE WAS A FIRMER COMMITMENT WITH RESPECT TO RETAIL AT THE BEGINNING.
MR. FISHMAN, I AGREE WITH MR. SCHNEER.
I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF HAVING RETAIL TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, UH, I, I'M STILL CONCERNED
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ABOUT PARKING.UM, UH, IF, IF ECONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT IT UNDERGROUND, UH, I THINK WE CAN, IN DUBLIN, WE COULD, UH, MAKE THOSE GARAGES INSTEAD OF COVERED PARKING.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE ALSO, IF I WAS RENTING AN APARTMENT THERE, I'D CERTAINLY RATHER HAVE A GARAGE THAN, THAN A CANOPY OVER MY CAR.
UM, UH, WE, WE HEAR ABOUT THEFT NOW, PEOPLE BREAKING INTO CARS.
UM, I THINK THAT, THAT PEOPLE WOULD FEEL MUCH MORE SECURE WITH GARAGES.
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PUT GARAGES INSTEAD OF COVERED PARKING.
UM, I, I ALSO THOUGH I'M CONCERNED THERE'S, I, THE BOOK SAYS THAT IT'S, IT'S
UM, IN DUBLIN, MOST PEOPLE HAVE TWO CARS, YOU KNOW, THAT I'VE TALKED TO.
AND IN BRIDGE PARK, UH, THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO HAVE TWO CARS AND THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE EXCITED BECAUSE THEY, THEY FEEL THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING FOR THOSE CARS.
AND, AND, AND, AND THEY'RE HAPPY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE HAPPY ABOUT WHEN THEY LIVE THERE.
SO, UM, I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO DO GARAGES.
UM, UM, I I THINK RESIDENTIAL, UM, UM, USE IS GREAT.
I THINK YOU MADE A GREAT ARGUMENT ABOUT THE NOISE.
IF THEY PUT A NINE STORY BUILDING THERE, OR SIX STORY BUILDING, UH, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD BUFFER.
HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE TO GET A BUILDING.
SO, SO, SO THAT WAS A GREAT ARGUMENT.
UM, BUT, BUT, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, I STILL HAVE CONCERNS.
I, I THINK YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF REALLY WORKING ON LISTENING TO WHAT WE SAID AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, UM, I, I THINK THERE'S SOME DEFINITE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR QUALITY AND LOTS OF LANDSCAPING AND, AND, AND NOT LOTS OF CARS SITTING AROUND AND, AND, UH, UM, UH, THAT'S ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THAT, UH, I'M HAPPY WITH WHAT I SEE AND, AND I COULD SUPPORT IT UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES, GARAGES, UH, UH, PLENTY OF PARKING AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, WHAT AFFORDABILITY IS, BY THE WAY, IN DUBLIN, OHIO, BUT
MR. AK, I'M GONNA DO THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
UM, I'M STRUGGLING AND MAYBE THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S THE POINT, RIGHT? UM, I'M NOT EXCITED.
UM, AND OF COURSE THAT'S NOT REALLY THE KIND OF, UH, THE KIND OF AN ASSESSMENT WE CAN GIVE FROM UP HERE ON THE DAIS, BUT I'M TRYING TO PUT MY FINGER ON IT.
I'M TRYING, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO SOLVE FOR IT, RIGHT? WITH, WITH SOME OF THESE TACTICAL MOVES.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, I'M, I'M NOT EXCITED, RIGHT? THE, THE, I THINK THERE'S VERY REAL APPETITE TO DO SOME VERY WONDERFUL THINGS IN THIS AREA THAT IS DESPERATE FOR IT.
UM, AND CHICKEN OR THE EGG, RIGHT? HOW DOES THAT CATALYZE OVER TIME? AND HOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU BANK ON BANK ON THE LONG-TERM PLANNING OF IT? RIGHT? UM, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS ABOUT ALL THAT AT PRESENT.
UM, BUT I CAN JUST SAY I'M NOT EXCITED AND I'M STRUGGLING TO FIND THE LANGUAGE TO ARTICULATE WHY SO, OR WHAT COULD IMPROVE THAT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
I WILL GIVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL JUST A, A SORT OF ZEITGEIST COMMENTARY, BUT, UH, SOME SPECIFICS AROUND IT.
I YOU VERY NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.
THERE IS A VERSION OF COVERED PARKING THAT COULD BE MORE COMPELLING.
IT'S PROBABLY SOLAR PANELS, RIGHT? UM, BUT OF COURSE THAT MEANS IT'S IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION THAN I THINK IT IS.
IT'S MORE WOULD BE REDEPLOYED DIFFERENTLY.
THAT MAKES, IN A WAY THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.
UM, I'M, I'M GONNA CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN I'M GONNA SOLVE FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
UH, I AM IN FAVOR OF TALLER, RIGHT? WHICH CREATES MORE PARKING PROBLEMS,
UH, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THIS AREA, ONCE TALLER, I AM IN FAVOR OF MIXED USE.
AND OF COURSE WE CONTINUE TO, THE LANGUAGE VERBATIM SAYS VARIETY OF USES.
UM, THIS IS A USE, BUT IT'S A VERY, UH, NOW IT'S VERY, UM, I, I THINK THE, THE WAY WE PREFER TO READ THE LANGUAGE AND OR THE REST OF THE LANGUAGE CARRIES ON IS WE'RE
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ANGLING TOWARDS A VARIETY OF USES ON EACH SITE, NOT SIMPLY A VARIETY OF USES NEXT TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT? WHICH WOULD BEGET A VARIETY OF USES ON EACH SITE, WOULD START TO BEGET THE MIXED USE AND THE MORE URBAN, URBAN ENVIRONMENT THAT I THINK, I THINK WE IDEALLY, UM, SEE AS THE VISION FOR THE AREA.YOU GUYS ARE DOING GREAT ON A VARIETY OF OTHER FRONTS, AMENITIES, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROVIDING IT TO THE, TO THE COMMENTARY ON THE, I GET THAT IT'S EARLY AND I WAS KEYING IN ON SOME OF THE MOUNDING IN THE, IN THE CENTRAL, CENTRAL AREA, BUT OF COURSE, I, THE PLAZAS AND CATERING TO THE CATERING, TO THE FOLKS IN THE BUILDINGS AROUND IT, THAT'S ALL REALLY, REALLY NICE.
OBVIOUSLY, THE LANGUAGE ALSO ASKS FOR INFILL RESIDENTIAL, ALBEIT WITH, UH, SOME LANGUAGE THAT IS SUBORDINATE TO, UM, OFFICE USE.
OF COURSE, THAT'S, AGAIN, ARGUABLE.
IS IT SUBORDINATE ON THE SAME SITE, SUBORDINATE AND ADJACENT SITES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND, AND AGAIN, YOUR, YOUR TREATMENT OF OPEN SPACE IS WONDERFUL, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO FORGIVE ME, THAT'S NOT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW PRODUCTIVE ANY OF THAT IS RELATIVE TO WHERE WE ARE.
AGAIN, ALL THE MORE REASON I'M OPENING WITH, I'M NOT EXCITED, RIGHT? UM, UM, AND NONE OF THE SOLVING ANY OF THE, THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS WON'T NECESSARILY, UM, SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, RIGHT? UM, OUT OUTRIGHT.
SO IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THERE, IT'S, IT'S A ONE FOR ONE CHECK THE BOX AND IT'S, IT'S SOLVED.
IT'S STILL GOTTA BE A WONDERFUL HIGH QUALITY PRODUCT IN A, IN A ENVIRONMENT THAT IS TRYING TO RESHAPE ITS IMAGE.
YOU ALL CLEARLY HAVE A, HAVE A NICE TOUCH.
I COMMEND YOU ACROSS THE BOARD ON ALL THAT.
UM, IT'S NOT AN EASY SITE AT ALL, OR AN EASY PROJECT.
UM, AGAIN, YOU'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF KUDOS FOR LISTENING TO US AND TRYING TO INCORPORATE SOME OF OUR COMMENTS.
AND I THINK FROM A FRAMEWORK STANDPOINT, I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO HAVING A FRAMEWORK THAT WORKS WITH THE SITE.
AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE FRAMEWORK, I TALKING ABOUT A STREET GRID THAT I COULD ENVISION CONNECTING, UH, EAST, UH, WEST, NORTH, SOUTH AS, AS THIS AREA EVOLVES.
AND SO THIS COULD FIT IN VERY NICELY.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO THE COSS GREAT CORRIDOR.
'CAUSE I THINK, AGAIN, THAT'S AT A REALLY AN IMPORTANT, UM, AMENITY OPPORTUNITY AND IT'S ALSO A SUSTAINABILITY OPPORTUNITY.
AND, UM, I, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING, I I POSED THE QUESTION, IS THIS THE LAST STEP IN THE WAY OF DOING THINGS OR IS IT THE FIRST STEP IN RETHINKING THE FUTURE OF THIS AREA? AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN AGING OFFICE, PARK OFFICE BUILDING SURROUNDED BY SURFACE PARKING.
AND WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING US IS A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SURROUNDED BY SURFACE PARKING.
TO ME, YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE CAPTURING THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WAS AS OPPOSED TO THE SPIRIT OF WHAT IS.
AND I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO, I, AND YOU HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, I THINK YOU COULD GET MORE DENSITY AND I THINK PARKING COULD BE TUCKED UNDER, MAYBE IT'S JUST A PLINTH, BUT, AND THEN ALL OF THE CIRCULATION COULD BE STREETS WITH ON-STREET PARKING AND LIKE YOU'VE DONE, LIKE YOU'VE STARTED TO DO.
I JUST THINK THAT'S THE FUTURE OF THIS AREA.
I THINK AS THE CITY, UM, GOES THROUGH ITS PLANNING PROCESS AND STARTS TO RETHINK METRO CENTER AND, AND THE DCAP AREA, THAT IT'S GONNA PROBABLY BE MORE OF THE IDEA OF STRUCTURED PARKING, SUPPORTING NEW BUILDINGS IN FILLING, PERHAPS AGAIN, A VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THIS ALMOST 20 ACRE SITE HAS THE ABILITY, BECAUSE IT'S UNDEVELOPED RIGHT NOW, TO REALLY SET THE TONE FOR THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND TO MR. SUPER ACT'S POINTS, IT'S, THE MAGIC'S NOT THERE YET.
I THINK THERE'S MAGIC TO BE HAD HERE.
UM, IN TERMS OF THIS SITE BEING THE MODEL FOR THE FUTURE, THINK OF THAT THIS IS THE, YOU KNOW, SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS ENTIRE AREA.
WHAT COULD WE DO HERE THAT WOULD SET THE TONE AND BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE SHINING STAR THAT U L I WILL COME AND VISIT IT AND REPORT ON IT AND, AND PUBLISH IT IN THEIR BOOKS BECAUSE IT'S UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT.
UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IS KIND OF EXPRESSING, IS THAT WHERE'S THE MAGIC? I DO THINK THE FRAMEWORK, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY CLOSE WITH THE FRAMEWORK.
I THINK PARKING NEEDS TO BE, UM, HIDDEN AND THAT YOU NEED TO RELY ON THAT STREET NETWORK TO PROVIDE THE, ON SOME ON STREETE PARKING AND THEN OTHER PARKING, UM,
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UNDERNEATH OR WHEREVER.AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT RELATING TO THE ECONOMICS OR ANY OF THAT, THAT'S FOR YOU ALL TO FIGURE OUT.
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT, UM, AS YOU THINK ABOUT CREATING THAT, THAT URBAN ENVIRONMENT, IF YOU WILL, THAT THAT GROUND LEVEL, AS MR. SOAK SAID, CAN'T JUST BE UNITS THAT ARE GONNA BE CONVERTED INTO SOMETHING ELSE IN THE FUTURE.
YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY POTENTIALLY COULD BE.
AND SO IT'S HIGHER, UH, FLOOR TO CEILING.
YOU'VE GOT, IF IT'S FOOD AND BEVERAGE, YOU'VE GOT VENTING AND YOU'VE GOT SERVICE AND YOU'VE GOT, SO I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE, THE WORK PART OF IT, AND I THINK SOME OF THAT COULD BE THAT, BUT I THINK TO BE, UM, A MIXED USE ACTIVE AREA THAT IT'S GONNA NEED SOME OTHER STUFF TO IT.
AND, UM, I THINK THE LAST THING I WILL SAY, UM, IS THAT I STILL THINK THAT, THAT THIS IS THE FIRST STEP.
SO WHAT IS IT COULD YOU DO IN THIS EARLY STAGE TO CREATE SOMETHING HERE THAT IS A DESTINATION THAT PEOPLE WILL COME FROM THE SURROUNDING OFFICE BUILDINGS FOR MIDDLE OF THE DAY, MAYBE IT'S RELATED TO RECREATION, TO THE COSS GRAY CORRIDOR.
SOMETHING THAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE THERE, WORK WORKERS COMING AT LUNCHTIME TO GET OUT, AND SO THEY'RE ON THE TRAIL.
WHAT ELSE COULD HAPPEN THERE THAT WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE THEM? UM, IS THERE SOME POP-UP STUFF? UM, AND, AND AGAIN, I DIDN'T SAY CHICKEN AND EGG.
IT WAS CHICKEN AND PICKLE, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS PICKLEBALL AND A LITTLE CHICKEN PLACE.
ALTHOUGH IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY BIG, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST, IT, IT, IT, THAT'S THE MAGIC.
I THINK THAT IS GONNA BE THE SPARK THAT'S GOING TO THIS WHOLE AREA CAN START FROM, AND I GET, I DON'T THINK WE'RE SEEING IT YET, BUT I, AGAIN, I THINK FROM A A PHYSICAL PLANNING STANDPOINT, ALL OF THE, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT INGREDIENTS.
I THINK IT'S HOW YOU TREAT THE BUILDINGS DENSITY, HOW YOU TREAT PARKING, AND REALLY THINKING ABOUT THIS AS THE FIRST STEP OF THE FUTURE OF THIS AREA.
THANK YOU, MR. WHITE, MS. HARDER.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.
I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE.
I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN, UH, LISTENING TO US AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
'CAUSE MORE AND MORE, THIS FEELS LIKE A COLLABORATION BACK AND FORTH, WHICH IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE READY FOR RETAIL.
UM, I THINK IT'S, PEOPLE LIKE THE CONVENIENCE, THEY LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EAT CLOSE WALK TO PLACES AND BE A COMMUNITY.
AND THE MORE THAT WE CAN DO THAT, I THINK IS, UM, IS UH, IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
WHEN I THINK ALSO ABOUT THE EXTERIOR, I, YOU, YOU HIT IT.
YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT TODAY, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, THE DOORS AND WINDOWS, EVEN JUST HOW YOU APPROACH A STORE VERSUS A HOME IS DIFFERENT.
UM, AND, UH, AND WHAT THAT WOULD BE TO HAVE TO SWITCH THAT AROUND.
UM, SWITCHING A LITTLE BIT TO, UM, THE, I, I LIKE THE IDEA HOW YOU HAVE THE WALKING AREA AROUND AND THE DOG PARK.
IT MAKES IT VERY OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
IT MAKES PEOPLE FEEL LIKE, OH, I WANNA GO WALK IN THAT AREA.
I WANNA, AND A SATURDAY MORNING GO, UM, TAKE MY DOG TO THE DOG PARK THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA MEET, PEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD NOT NORMALLY GET TO MEET.
AND I THINK THAT'S, UM, A POSITIVE, UM, TO, UH, TO THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, I, I ALSO WANNA SEE PICTURES MORE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE END UNITS ARE SORT AT, AT THE ROADWAYS AND WHAT YOU WOULD BE PASSING BY.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN, UM, THAT YOU'RE THINKING, AND I WAS HEARING IT, BUT I WASN'T JUST TO, JUST TO MENTION THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE EXTERIOR ART AS WELL AS THE INTERIOR ART AND LOOKING TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY FOR SOME OF THE ART AS WELL TOO.
THERE'S SO MUCH IN DUBLIN THAT COULD BE A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, THE COVER PARKING, I'M, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US BE, UH, CREATIVE ABOUT THAT.
UM, THERE'S SOLAR PANELS, THERE'S ROOFTOP, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, GREEN THAT YOU CAN PUT UP THERE, UM, THAT, THAT STAYS ON ITS OWN.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
AND ALSO, UM, IT'S GOOD FOR, FOR, FOR SOMEONE WHO, UH, WOULD LIKE THAT FOR THEIR CAR.
UM, AND WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE BALCONIES, I, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO PICTURE THAT YOU CAN PUT A, A TABLE AND TWO CHAIRS AND IF IT FITS SOMETHING ELSE ON THERE, WONDERFUL.
BUT IT, THAT IT IS A USABLE SPACE FOR PEOPLE.
AND IF IT'S LARGER THAN THAT, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT TO ME, A BALCONY IS A BALCONY.
I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO LOOK A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THE UNDERGROUND PARKING, UH, SEEING WHERE THAT WOULD LEAD US.
UM, I AM, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT AFFORDABILITY.
UM, AND WE'VE READ IT A LOT ABOUT THAT.
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BUT, UM, I THINK, UM, THINKING ABOUT GIVING IT ONE MORE HIT AND SEEING WHAT WE FIND OUT ABOUT THAT WOULD BE, UM, IM IMPORTANT.BUT AGAIN, IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT AREA.
IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING SPECTACULAR.
UM, YOU CAN BRING PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND, UH, THAT BIG GREEN SPACE AND SO FORTH THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOU WANNA DO WITH THAT.
UM, IS, IS, IS JUST A LOVELY THOUGHT.
I LIKE THE, THE THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, THE PARALLEL PARKING TO ME SEEMS MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING.
UM, AND, UM, THE, THE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME AND IT'S GONNA BE THAT, UM, UM, OPEN COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE DIRECTION.
AND, AND THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. CHINOOK.
IT'S ALWAYS TOUGH TO GO LAST 'CAUSE I RUN OUTTA THINGS TO SAY, BUT I'LL TRY.
SO I, I THINK WE STARTED, AND AS ZACH PRESENTED AT THE BEGINNING, JUST A LIST OF SOME OF OUR OBJECTIVES AS A COMMUNITY TRYING TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND I HONESTLY, I'M, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE HIT ON A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
AND AS MR. WADE COMMENTED, THAT THE FRAMEWORKS THERE.
SO IN TERMS OF GETTING FEEDBACK, I, I LIKE THE OVERALL DIRECTION.
I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT CAN POTENTIALLY BE RESOLVED, MAYBE EVEN FAIRLY EASILY.
UM, I, I DO, I THINK WE ALL ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE WHOLE MIXED USE COMPONENT TO THIS.
AND FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, I'M SURE YOU'RE THINKING WELL FROM TUTTLE SO CLOSE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF RESTAURANTS THERE, AND THE LAST THING YOU WANT IS TO OPEN A RESTAURANT AND HAVE A VACANT RESTAURANT SITTING AS A ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY.
SO I, I GUESS I WOULD LOOK AT MIXED USES.
SOMETHING MAYBE DIFFERENT, SOMETHING A LITTLE UNIQUE.
MAYBE IT'S NOT A RESTAURANT, MAYBE IT'S NOT RETAIL.
I'M NOT, YOU GUYS ARE THE CREATIVES, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING UNIQUE AS A DRAW NOT TO COMPETE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON VERY CLOSE BY.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A BIT OF A CHALLENGE FOR YOU ALL.
AND I, AND I DO THINK, UM, I WAS A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED THAT THE, YOU MENTIONED THERE WOULD BE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE CENTRAL GREEN.
THE SITE SEEMS LIKE IT'S VERY BROKEN UP.
THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, UM, AUTOMOTIVE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE.
SO I WOULD JUST MAYBE THINK ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, SOME THINGS WE CAN DO, UM, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK MOUNDING TO, TO HIDE SOME OF THE PARKING, THE LANDSCAPING, BUT ALSO JUST THINKING ABOUT WHEN THIS CONNECTOR DOES HAPPEN, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH KIND OF A SMALL SITE.
SO I WOULD JUST THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE CONSIDER PEDESTRIAN SAFETY A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE LOOK AT, UH, THE SITE NAVIGATION THERE.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF GREAT THINGS.
I THINK THE GREEN SPACE IS GREAT.
THE RE CORRIDOR, I MEAN, ALL THAT'S WORKING REALLY WELL IN YOUR FAVOR.
AND I THINK THE BONES ARE HERE.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF WORK OUT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.
UM, AND THE ARCHITECTURAL PIECE, UM, I THINK THE BUILDING DESIGN IS REALLY, REALLY NICE.
I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE MAYBE A VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL MATERIALS SO IT'S NOT A LOT OF THE SAME OVER, OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
UM, AND I KNOW WE SUGGESTED CARPORTS.
I'M PERSONALLY AGAINST CARPORTS BECAUSE I, IT'S JUST HARD TO DO NI NICE, DO THEM NICELY.
EVEN WITH SOLAR PANELS, THEY STILL LOOK LIKE CARPORTS.
AND, UM, THE OTHER, OH, THE LAST THING I WAS TO SAY IS OVERSIZED SIGNAGE.
I KNOW IT'S ALLOWABLE, BUT
UH, SO WE HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS THAT KIND OF GUIDED OUR, OUR LAST COMMENTS.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES AS WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, CERTAIN STRATEGIC AREAS LIKE THE DCAP BLAZER PARKWAY SUB AREA RIGHT NOW.
UH, AS MR. HESHEL WENT OVER AT THE VERY BEGINNING, IT'S ZONE FOR OFFICE LABORATORY RESEARCH.
AND SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS, IS THIS INTERIM KICKOFF OF YES, WE DO SEE A VISION FOR RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA, BUT, AND SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES, COUPLED WITH THE DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HEARD, UH, TIE BACK VERY WELL TO THOSE.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOK, WHEN WE'RE CHALLENGED TO THINK COMPREHENSIVELY, WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE PARCEL IN A GREATER AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE GOING UNDERGOING SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
AND SO THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE THERE ARE THE LAYOUT MR. WAY HIT VERY WELL ON JUST THE SITE LAYOUT, KIND OF MIRRORING SOME OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS WITH PARKING SURROUNDING BUILDINGS.
WE'RE ALSO CHALLENGED WITH STARTING WITH THE PUBLIC REALM.
AND SO YOU HEARD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT THAT GROUND LEVEL ACTIVATION.
WE, WE SEE A WORLD AND WE UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMICS OF THE APPLICANT COMING FORWARD AND SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE NEED THE, THE ROOFTOPS TO SUPPORT THE ANCILLARY USES, BUT THE CITY NEEDS THE ANCILLARY USES TO ALSO SUPPORT THE AREA DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF CHASING OUR TAILS THERE.
UH, YOU ALSO HEARD A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS ABOUT YOUR USE OF THE OPEN SPACE THAT CAUSED GRAY
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GA COS GRAY DITCH.YOU SAW THE VISION IN IT, JUST LIKE WE SAW THE VISION IN IT.
AND RIGHT THERE, I THINK WE'RE NOT PLAYING WHACK-A-MOLE.
WE, WE BOTH HONED IN ON WHAT THAT COULD BE AND HOW THAT COULD BE KIND OF THE KICKOFF OF THIS MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, I THINK THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING SOMEWHERE YOU DON'T SEE VERY MUCH RESIDENTIAL IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF THE BLAZER PARKWAY OF THAT DCAP PLAN.
AND IT COULD BE A VERY WELL SUITED USE IF DONE PROPERLY.
WE DO SEE FOCUSED GROWTH IN OUR INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES.
AND WE, WE DO SEE SOME OF THOSE PRINCIPLES IN YOUR APPLICATION THIS EVENING.
UH, THE, THE LAYOUT OF THE RE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, YOU DIDN'T HEAR ANYONE UP HERE SAY, HEY, WE DON'T LIKE THE, THE REDUCTION IN THE BUILDING, THE INCREASE FROM THE 300 UNITS TO THE 330 UNITS YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION.
WE ARE SUPPORTIVE IF WE ARE SUPPORTIVE, BUT, AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION IS SAYING, OH NO, YOU BROUGHT BACK RESIDENTIAL, SORRY.
UH, SOME OF THE, THE NATURAL RESOURCES, ECOLOGICAL ITEMS THAT WE'RE CHALLENGED WITH, AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO THAT CAUSE GRAY AREA, FANTASTIC SUSTAINABLE DESIGN.
YOU HEARD SOMEONE BRING UP SOLAR PANELS.
UM, I, I'M ALSO NOT A SUPER FAN OF THE COVERED PARKING, JUST CARPORT KIND OF COVERED PARKING.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY SEE THAT HOLDS UP VERY WELL IN DUBLIN.
AND THAT REALLY IS A KICKOFF FOR A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IN AN OTHERWISE OFFICE LABORATORY OR RESEARCH, RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT.
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH WALKABILITY, ESPECIALLY, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO, BUT YOU CARRIED THAT WALKING TRAIL DOWN THAT EAST SIDE, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A NARROW STRIP PIECE OF LAND.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE GETS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME DUBLIN INCLUDED THAT IS BE DISTINCTLY DUBLIN.
WE JUST KNOW IT WHEN WE SEE IT.
AND SO THE, THE CHALLENGE OF, UH, BEING THE VERY FIRST OF A, UH, AN APPLICATION THAT'S ASKING FOR THAT REZONE, THAT'S ASKING FOR THAT RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, WE'RE JUST NOT QUITE THERE.
AND I THINK YOU HEARD THAT FROM THE REST OF THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
UH, SO WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU BACK UP IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU ASK ANY, IF YOU NEED ANY CLARIFICATION ON WHERE THE THE COMMISSION IS THIS EVENING.
I, I, I, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THIS, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, BUT I THINK THAT THIS HAS TO BE A PARAMOUNT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE LAST RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN THE AREA.
AND I THINK THAT, AND I, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IT WHERE THE NEXT GUY SAYS, WELL, THEY DID IT.
AND SO WE WANNA DO JUST A LITTLE LESS.
AND, AND SO IT, IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE GO, WOW, OKAY.
AND, AND, UH, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE AT THE WOW YET.
UH, BUT I THINK YOU CAN GET THERE.
AND, AND I THINK PARKING IS SOMETHING EVERYBODY MENTIONED.
I THINK THAT TRAFFIC IS SOMETHING YOU GOTTA SOLVE, WHETHER YOU CAN AFFORD TO PUT 'EM UNDER THE BUILDING OR PUT GARAGES OR SOMETHING.
AND I THINK THAT THAT, THAT IT'S, WE, I WANNA BE ABLE TO SAY, WOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN I READ THE, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND I, I, I THINK WE'RE ON THE WAY, BUT I THINK WE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HAVE TO MAKE THIS SOMETHING SPECIAL.
IT'S THE FIRST RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN, UH, JIM PICKETT AND GEORGE MANNING BUILT THAT PROJECT 50 YEARS AGO, ALL 50 YEARS, PEOPLE SAID, WOW, NOW IT WORE OUT AFTER 40 YEARS.
BUT PEOPLE SAID, WOW, IT HAD OPEN SPACE, IT WAS CONTEMPORARY, IT HAD LOTS OF GLASS, AND, AND PEOPLE WERE EXCITED ABOUT IT.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT IN 2023, SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SAY WOW AT IN 2023.
THANK YOU FOR COMING BEFORE US.
WE CERTAINLY HOPE THIS IS NOT THE LAST TIME THAT WE SEE YOU, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS APPLICATION.
AGAIN, YOU HEARD, UH, CAUTIOUS SUPPORT OF RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA, IF DONE WELL AND IF BROUGHT FORWARD WITH THE ACCOMPANYING NEEDS THAT THE APPLICATION.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ALONG ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.
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APPROVALS, INFORMATION ONLY FOR DISCUSSION AND THEN THE SEPTEMBER TOUR INFORMATION.SO MS. RA, I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU.
I HAVE A LITTLE POWERPOINT TO GUIDE OUR DISCUSSION TODAY.
UM, YEAH, SO WE WANTED TO TALK THROUGH, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS AND CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH WAS RAISED AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING,
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UM, REALLY TO TALK ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AND THEY'RE NOT DISCUSSED, IS THERE SORT OF A PATTERN TO WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE AND, AND SHOULD WE THEN INVESTIGATE WHETHER WE SHOULD EXPAND OUR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, UM, CRITERIA.SO, AND, AND AGAIN, LOOKING THROUGH THIS AND WE PROVIDED ALL THAT DATA FOR YOU ALL, UM, TO LOOK AT AND I CAN HAPPY TO TRY TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THAT.
UM, BUT WE LOOKED BACK AT BOTH ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, UM, OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AS WELL AS THEN CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, UM, AND RELATED TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, LOOKING AT THO ALL THE ITEMS ON, ON YOUR AGENDAS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED UNDER THE CONSENT, BUT THEN WHICH ONES WERE PULLED OFF THE AGENDA, WHICH ONES WERE NOT, AND IS THERE ANY KIND OF SORT OF PATTERN TO THAT, UM, WHICH I'LL TALK THROUGH HERE IN A SECOND.
SO, UM, AGAIN, ADMIN MODIFYING THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL CRITERIA WOULD THEN GIVE ADDITIONAL ALLOWANCES TO STAFF AND THEN NOT REQUIRE ITEMS TO COME TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
'CAUSE COMMISSIONERS HAD RAISED, YOU KNOW, SOME SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK TO COME HERE, UM, AND GET APPROVAL AND THERE NOT BE DISCUSSIONS.
SO ANYWAY, WANTED TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT DATA AND THEN TALK THAT THROUGH.
AND THEN FOR, UM, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS AND BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT APPLICATIONS, WE HAVE THEM IN OTHER DISTRICTS, BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST PERTINENT TO THINGS THAT YOU ALL TYPICALLY SEE.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT IS INCLUDED FOR, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS WITHIN PLAN DISTRICTS, WHICH MEANS THAT IF THEY MEET ANY OF THESE 10 CRITERIA, UM, I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THAT.
SO WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE A BEFORE AND AN AFTER, SO WE'RE WORKING REALLY CLOSELY WITH THE APPLICANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THEIR REQUEST, WHAT DID YOU GET APPROVED FOR? WE WOULD DO OUR RESEARCH, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR ANY OTHER ISSUES WITH WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
THEY PROVIDE US WITH A PROPOSAL FOR WHAT THEY WANNA CHANGE, AND THEN WE DOCUMENT THAT ON OUR END.
WE SORT OF BASICALLY WRITE A MEMO TO OURSELVES, UM, AND INCLUDE THAT, UM, ON OUR NETWORK.
SO THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND SEE IF SOME, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY ASKS A QUESTION ABOUT IT, WHAT DID WE DO? WHY DID WE DO THAT? AND THEN ALSO THAT HELPS.
TYPICALLY, A LOT OF THESE ITEMS ARE RAISED AS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMITTING STAGE.
SO THAT THEN HELPS PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION TO THE REVIEWERS THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS CHANGE, WE'RE OKAY WITH IT, WE'VE REVIEWED IT, EVERYBODY SIGNED OFF ON IT.
SO, UM, IT'S A PRETTY, IT'S A PRETTY WELL-OILED MACHINE I FEEL LIKE.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE REALLY TRY TO BE CONSERVATIVE IN HOW WE DO THAT, UM, JUST GIVEN THE SCRUTINY OF, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN WITHIN, UH, WITHIN THE CITY.
SO, UM, WE DO SEE A LOT OF THOSE AND WE, I HAVE SOME DATA ON THAT TOO, BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF IT'S, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTING LOT LINES YOU ARE RELOCATING OR SUBSTITUTING PLANT MATERIAL.
I MEAN, THE BIGGEST INTENT HERE IS THAT YOU'RE NOT DIMINISHING THE QUALITY OR THE EXPECTATIONS OF SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED, RIGHT? IT HAS TO BE EQUAL TO OR GREATER, UM, IN TERMS OF MODIFICATIONS.
UM, AND PARTICULARLY RELATED TO SIGNS, THAT'S PRETTY LIMITED.
SO IF THERE'S A SIGN FACE CHANGE OR THERE'S LANDSCAPING OR LIGHTING DETAILS RELATED TO SIGNS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE THAT OR I WOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE THAT.
BUT IF THEY WANT A NEW SIGN, A SIGN IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, WE THAT COMES TO YOU, WE DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THAT.
UM, AGAIN, GIVEN THE SCRUTINY OF SIGNAGE, UM, IN THE CITY, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT HISTORICALLY HAS, HAS COME BEFORE.
UM, THE COMMISSION, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT ELSE.
THE BIG ONES ARE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS.
SO AGAIN, LIKE WE, SOMETIMES WE HAVE BUILDING FOOTPRINT MODIFICATIONS.
THAT'S PRETTY RARE THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING MAJOR ADDITIONS OR IF THEY DO, IT HAS TO BE UNDER THAT 10%.
UM, OTHERWISE IT COMES TO YOU.
IT'S A LOT LESS WORDS, A LITTLE MORE SUCCINCT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S OUR NEWER CODE, BUT THE INTENT AND THE CATEGORIES ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL TO, UM, TO THAT.
SO IN TERMS OF WHAT, UM, HAS BEEN APPROVED, SO FROM 2018 TO NOW WITHIN PLAN DISTRICTS, UM, THERE'S BEEN 65 REQUESTS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED.
AND THEN WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET THERE'S BEEN 85.
SO YOU'RE WELCOME FOR NOT HAVING TO SEE ALL THOSE CASES, UM, IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO AGAIN, WE ARE DOING A LOT OF THOSE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE VERY MINOR, TYPICALLY SOME BUILDING MATERIALS AND YOU KNOW, EXACT MANUFACTURERS NOT THE SAME.
YOU KNOW, WE WANNA SUBSTITUTE THAT IT LOOKS THE SAME, SAME WITH LIKE YOUR MODIFYING YOUR PARKING LOT, WE'RE SUBSTITUTING LANDSCAPE MATERIAL THAT STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S, THERE MIGHT BE LIKE THE LAST ONE, ITEMS REQUIRED BY AN OUTSIDE AGENCY.
THERE'S SOME KIND OF UTILITY ISSUE OR SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T CHANGE, YOU CAN'T CHANGE.
IT'S, AGAIN, THEY'RE USUALLY PRETTY MINOR, UM, CHANGES.
AND AS I MENTIONED, EVERY ITEM WE'RE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ALONG THE WAY TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND MAKE SURE WE FEEL LIKE IT MEETS THOSE CRITERIA.
UM, SO THEN IF IT DOESN'T MEET THAT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL CRITERIA, THEN IT WOULD COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION IN SOME CAPACITY, WHETHER THAT'S, UM, TYPICALLY AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR CONDITIONAL USE, UM, IN ANY
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MODIFICATION, HONESTLY, FOR THAT MATTER.SO, UM, CONSENT AGENDA ARE TYPICALLY THINGS THOUGH THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER TO BE KIND OF A MINOR IN NATURE APPLICATION.
UM, SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF AND A, THE APPLICANT AGREE ON THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UM, WE WOULDN'T BRING SOMETHING TO YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T ALL AGREE TO.
UM, AND ALSO ITEMS THAT HAVE HAD NO EITHER PRIOR PUBLIC COMMENT OR WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY SINCE, UM, SINCE THE PUBLICATION OF THOSE DOCUMENTS.
SO WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE REALLY SORT OF THAT IN THAT SLAM DUNK CATEGORY WHERE WE REALLY THINK, YEAH, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THAT.
SO, SO AS I MENTIONED, THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, SO WE'VE DONE SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH ABOUT THAT TOO.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS OR SO, THERE HAVE BEEN 78 CASES THAT WERE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND 20 OF THEM WERE PULLED OFF THE AGENDA.
SO THAT NUMBER OF CASES, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE CHART, IF YOU GO TO THAT FAR RIGHT CORNER, IT'S BEEN DIMINISHING STEADILY OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
SO WHERE WE WERE SEEING 50% OF THINGS BEING PULLED.
NOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR SO FAR YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE THAT MAKES US FEEL LIKE WE'RE HITTING THAT RIGHT MARK OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, WHAT ISSUES MAY COME UP AND THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE SOMETHING FROM HAPPENING.
AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, CASES THAT WERE PULLED OFF THE AGENDA, THE COMMISSION JUST WANTED TO HEAR THE CASE.
IT WASN'T EVEN, SOMETIMES THEY DIDN'T EVEN ADD CONDITIONS, BUT THEY JUST WANTED TO HEAR FULLY TO UNDERSTAND, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THE, THE MAGNITUDE OF THAT.
SO, UM, IN TERMS OF THEN SORT OF WHAT WE FOUND AND HOW THIS MIGHT RELATE TO FUTURE MODIFICATIONS, SO LARGELY ITEMS THAT WERE PULLED WERE REALLY RELATED TO SIGNIFICANT SIGN CHANGES.
SO A MASTER SIGN PLAN OR SOMEONE DOING ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE OR MAKING LARGER WHOLESALE CHANGES TO THAT, UM, THOSE WERE TYPICALLY THE ITEMS THE COMMISSION TALKED THROUGH.
SAME WITH THEN SIGNIFICANT BUILDING MATERIAL OR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
SO AGAIN, SOMETIMES YOU SEE THINGS WE, THE ITEM GETS TABLED, IT COMES BACK TO YOU.
SOMETIMES THAT SECOND TIME AROUND WOULD BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT MAYBE YOU WANTED FURTHER DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES THERE ARE CASES THAT YOU'VE SEEN MULTIPLE TIMES AND BY THE TIME IT GETS TO THAT LAST TIME, MAYBE YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.
BUT IF IT CAME IN INITIALLY, YOU'D, YOU DEFINITELY WOULD'VE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
SO IN TERMS OF CASES THAT WERE APPROVED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, SO NO DISCUSSION, YOU JUST APPROVE THEM OUTRIGHT, THAT'S TYPICALLY REALLY MINOR SIGN CHANGES.
UM, MINOR BUILDING MATERIAL CHANGES.
SO WHEN WE'VE DONE RECENTLY, I CAN THINK OF THE EXAMPLE OF LIKE IN PERIMETER CENTER WHERE THEY HAD A SHINGLE, THEY HAD A SHAKE SHINGLE, THEY WENT TO A, YOU KNOW, ASPHALT SHINGLE.
WE'VE HEARD THAT CONVERSATION MULTIPLE TIMES ON PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS.
SO THAT WAS AN EASY APPROVAL, AGAIN, HAD THE VERY FIRST ONE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S SOME OF THOSE LIKE JUST FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT MINOR BUILDING CHANGE MATERIAL CHANGES ARE.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST TWO THINGS I PUT IN ITALICS HERE, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATIONS FOR MINOR USE CHANGES.
SO YOU'RE IN A STRIP CENTER, YOU HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL USE OR A FITNESS USE, YOU ALL TYPICALLY APPROVE THAT WITHOUT DISCUSSION.
THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND THAD AND I HAVE NOT HAD A GREAT DEAL OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE, THE PROCESS.
I THINK FOR CONDITIONAL USES, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ADD TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL CRITERIA, BUT THAT CATEGORICALLY IS SOMETHING THAT IS TYPICALLY APPROVED WITHOUT DISCUSSION.
SO MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT WITH OUR PERMITTED USES AND CONDITIONAL USES THAT IF IT'S A MINOR, YOU KNOW, AND WE COULD OUTLINE WHAT THOSE MIGHT BE, THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO SOLVE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE GET TO THE DISCUSSION PART OF IT.
BUT THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY.
SAME WITH PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLATS.
TYPICALLY, IF YOU'VE SEEN THEM A COUPLE TIMES OR YOU'VE APPROVED THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PLATTS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA ADVOCATE THE, THAT BECOME A STAFF, UH, LEVEL APPROVAL.
UM, NOR WOULD I AT THIS POINT PROBABLY RECOMMEND CHANGING THAT JUST GIVEN THE, THE NATURE OF THOSE.
UM, SO I THINK THOSE TWO SORT OF OUTLIERS, BUT THE CONDITIONAL USE IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT.
SO WITH THAT, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAD ANY THOUGHTS.
I KNOW WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT MENU BOARD SIGNS, UM, AND MAYBE ADDING THAT TO EITHER CREATING TRUE STANDARDS FOR THAT, THAT WE ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITHIN THE SIGN CODE, WHICH WE CAN DO, AND THEN MAYBE THAT GETS INCLUDED, UM, AS PART OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL CRITERIA.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? DID YOU ALL SEE ANYTHING ELSE TELLING OR HAVE QUESTIONS? SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PUDS.
AND I ASSUME THAT THE DEVELOPER PUTS P U D TOGETHER, YOU LOOK AT IT AND THEN IT COMES TO US, CORRECT? IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? SO SOMEONE THAT WANTED TO DO A MINOR CHANGE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? NO, NO.
WHEN A P U D IS DEVELOPED, IT, ALL I KNOW IS WE GET IT, IT COME, BUT I ASSUME THE DEVELOPER PUTS IT TOGETHER THEN.
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OH, OF COURSE.I MEAN IT'S, IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER REVIEW WHEN THEY'RE DOING A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE REZONING AND THEY'RE DEVELOPING THE TEXT AND THEY SAY, WE WANT A P U D AND, AND THEY HAND YOU THE P U D, YOU LOOK AT IT YOUTH FIELD SATISFACTORY, THEN IT COMES TO US.
WELL, MY, MY ONE GRIPE WITH PUDS IS I THINK THEY'RE TOO LOOSE IN MOST CASES.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE LAST COUPLE WE LOOKED AT DRIVEWAYS, UH, CONCRETE BRICK, CONCRETE OR BLACKTOP, GUESS WHAT? WE GET BLACKTOP.
SO, UM, UH, UM, HOUSE SIDING, IT HAS TO BE BRICK STUCCO OR VINYL.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN TIGHTEN THOSE UP SO THAT WE GET WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO GET? YEAH, SO WE DEVELOPED AND COUNCIL APPROVED, AND YOU ALL REVIEWED, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, WE'VE NOT HAD ANY RECENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE NEEDED TO APPLY 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT TO THAT STAGE YET.
WE MAY HAVE SEEN THINGS IN A CONCEPTUAL MANNER, BUT WHEN IT GETS TO THAT REZONING PART, WE WOULD THEN BE LOOKING AT HOW, HOW IS THAT DEF YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO THESE DESIGN STANDARDS.
WELL, BY THE TIME WE GET IT THOUGH, IT, IT'S THERE.
AND, AND, AND THEY GET THEIR CHOICE OF THE THREE THINGS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
SO I WONDER WHEN IT'S HANDED TO YOU, YOU CAN SAY, WE WANNA ELIMINATE BLACKTOP, FOR EXAMPLE, WANNA ELIMINATE VINYL EVEN THOUGH IT'S FIVE OR WHATEVER YOU'RE SITUATION KNOW.
SO, SO I, I, I, I JUST, I'VE LOOKED AT HUNDREDS OF PUDS AND, AND, AND I LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY, THEY GIVE US A STANDARD AND BOOM AND BOOM.
BUT, UM, I, I THINK SOMETIMES IT MAKES US POWERLESS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT CHOICE AND THEY'RE GONNA USE THE BLACKTOP.
WE JUST HAD ONE COME THROUGH A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT WAS, HAD THAT, AND OF COURSE THEY AMAZINGLY TOOK THE BLACKTOP.
SO, UM, UH, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT? I THINK MATT'S GONNA CHIME IN HERE.
YEAH, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY TO UH, JENNY'S POINT ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WERE ADOPTED, UH, BY COUNCIL FOLLOWING THE COMMISSION'S REVIEW EARLIER THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE THAT THAT DRIVEWAY ISSUE WAS EXPLICITLY ADDRESSED BASED UPON YOUR COMMENTS TO THAT END.
SO THE WAY THAT THAT PROCESS WOULD WORK NOW WITH THOSE GUIDELINES IN PLACE IS THE DEVELOPER WILL HAVE THOSE TO WORK WITH FROM THE OUTSET AS THEY'RE PREPARING THEIR APPLICATION.
WHEN THAT APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED TO STAFF, STAFF WILL COMPARE IT AGAINST THOSE GUIDELINES.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE DIVERGENCES FROM THE GUIDELINES, UH, I SUSPECT THEY WILL ADVISE THE APPLICANT THAT THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN A P U D COMES THROUGH, ALL OF THAT IS ON THE COMMISSION'S PLATE TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT, REJECT, OR MODIFY, UM, AS A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE IT'S, IT'S ULTIMATELY PASSED BY COUNSEL.
BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TIGHTENED UP THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL DESIGN GUIDELINES AND NORMALIZED WHAT THE APPLICANT'S EXPECTING AND WHAT STAFF IS ABLE TO, UH, USE TO JUSTIFY THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND REVIEW.
AND JUST TO PIGGYBACK, THAT'S NOT JUST DRIVEWAYS.
NO, THAT'S, WE TIGHTENED UP ON, WE TIGHTENED UP ON NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS, RIGHT? EVERYTHING ARE THINGS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE TO US NOW, P U D STILL HAVE FLUIDITY TO THEM.
THERE'S AN APPLICANT CAN STILL ASK FOR DRIVEWAYS, IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THE PLANNING REPORT THAT SAYS THE P U D, THEY'RE ASKING FOR DRIVEWAYS.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARD SAYS WE DON'T WANT ASPHALT DRIVEWAYS.
AND SO THEREFORE THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, AND SO WE BRICK OR CEMENT, WHAT WAS THAT? CORRECT? CORRECT.
MANY THAT THE NEIGHBOR DIDN'T STAND MANY THREE.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST DRIVEWAYS, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S IT'S SIDING.
HELLO? CISCO CONNECTION MESSAGING SYSTEM FROM A TOUCHTONE TELEPHONE, YOU MAY DIAL AN EXTENSION AT WHAT, OKAY.
I MEAN, AGAIN, ALL THOSE MATTERS ARE GONNA BE, WILL BE ANALYZED AS NEW PUDS COME FORWARD.
I CAN'T GO BACK AND UNDO ONES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
THOSE ARE THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE THERE LEGALLY HAVE RIGHTS TO DEVELOP WITHIN THOSE STANDARDS.
SO I CAN'T GO BACK AND DO ANYTHING ABOUT PREVIOUS ONES, BUT FUTURE ONES, AGAIN, AS THAT SAID, WE WOULD EVALUATE ANY PROPOSED P U D DEVELOPMENT TEXT VERSUS THESE NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS.
AND THAT WHAT THAT GETS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU, AND AGAIN, TO THE CHAIR'S POINT, THEY CAN ASK FOR WHAT THEY WANT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
WE'D HAVE TO FIND THE CRITERIA UNDER WHICH WE WOULD SAY THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
BUT IT'S IN THE P U D WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO PROVE
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IT.IF IT'S IN THE P U D, THEY'RE BRINGING FORWARD AND SAYING, MOTHER MAY IF YOU, IF YOU'VE APPROVED THE P UUD.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR JOB TO CATCH IT.
SO WE CAN'T TIGHTEN THOSE UP AND GET RID OF THE BLACKTOP.
GET RID OF THE, THE FOR NEW ONES.
I CANNOT DO THAT FOR OLD ONES, OLD P U D.
P U D THAT COMES IN, A SUBDIVISION COMES IN AND THEY SAY P U D, WE GO, OH, GREAT.
AND THEN, THEN, YEAH, CORRECT.
SO THEN BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, SO CONDITIONAL USES, I THINK WE STILL WANNA SEE THE CONDITIONAL USES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE GET PUBLIC COMMENT ON SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE TIME.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMETIMES WE ARE CONCERNED WITH.
SO I THINK THAT CONDITIONAL USES, WE STILL WANNA SEE AS, DO WE WANNA SEE THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLATT? UH, BUT YOU DID BRING UP MENU BOARD SIGNS.
I THINK THAT ONE IS ONE THAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR US TO DISCUSS AS A COMMISSION AND THEN FORWARD TO COUNCIL A RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, STANDARDS THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO MOVE THAT INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE REALM.
NOW THERE CAN BE A CONDITIONAL COMPONENT IF THEY HAVE SEPARATE CRITERIA WHERE IT WOULD NEED TO BE ELEVATED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
BUT I THINK THAT WE'VE DONE THAT A NUMBER OF TIMES.
WE HAVE STANDARDS IN WHAT WE'VE APPROVED IN THE PAST.
SO THAT IS ONE THAT I THINK THAT WE COULD LOOK AT.
MOVING ON TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE RATHER THAN HAVING IT COME FORWARD TO THIS ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE.
THE P C C, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION IS YEAH, I, I RESPECTFULLY DISSENT.
UM, AND IT'S EASIER, IT'D BE MUCH EASIER IF THERE WAS LANGUAGE AND WE, YOU, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS? AND WE CAN PICK IT APART FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO CON, YOU KNOW, THE CONDITIONAL USES, UM, AGAIN, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, A FITNESS CENTER TURNS INTO A NAIL SALON.
PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE HANDLED, HANDLED BY THE STAFF.
SO THAT'S NOT, THAT'S A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE, BUT THAT TYPE.
AND I WOULD ALSO SAY PERSONALLY WITH RESPECT TO SIGNAGE, THAT THERE'S, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, DRAFTING THIS, AND OF COURSE I DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMISSION ANYHOW, SO I'M, I'M ON MY OWN ON THIS ANYHOW, BUT, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A SOME GROUP OF SIGNS THAT, IN MY OPINION, I WOULD DEFER TO THE STAFF THAT IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE HANDLED AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
AND, UM, I, I THINK THE, THE JUXTAPOSITION IS NOT QUITE THE RIGHT WORD, BUT SEEING THE AGENDA ITEM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH A HOSPITAL APPLICATION AND THE NEXT ITEM IS A, YOU KNOW, A FIVE BY SEVEN SIGN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TO BE SURE IF, IF ONE OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WANTS TO PULL THAT, BUT I JUST THINK THAT IT'S PERSONALLY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE EXPERTISE OF THE STAFF, UM, I HAVE COMPLETE CONFIDENCE IN.
AND I WOULD JUST OFFER THE, THE CLARIFICATION.
TYPICALLY SPEAKING, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MASTER SIGN PLAN, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING ABOVE THE, HEY, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO ONE WALL SIGN OR ONE MONUMENT SIGN OR WHATEVER ELSE.
MOST OF THE TIME WE DON'T SEE SIGNS JUST IN AND OF THEMSELVES, LIKE ENCAPSULATED.
WE EITHER SEE A MASTER SIGN PLAN OR WE SEE SIGNS THAT HAVE, UM, EITHER PREDATED OR POSTDATED, UH, PRELIMINARY PLA MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHATEVER THAT LARGER APPLICATION IS TO, TO THE CONDITIONAL USES POINT.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT NEEDS TO SIT IS THERE ARE FURTHER IMPLICATIONS.
NOW, DO I CARE IF INSIDE THE FOUR WALLS OF A BUILDING IT'S A DAYCARE CENTER OR A HAIR SALON OR ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, NOT NECESSARILY, BUT I CARE ABOUT HOW THAT IMPACTS THE, THE OVERALL, THE PARKING, THE PICK UP AND DROP OFF ALL OF THOSE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, IN MY OPINION, SHOULD BE CONCERNED WITH.
BECAUSE IT DOES AFFECT THE, THE PUBLIC REALM.
UH, SO I, I, I THINK THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DO A THOUGHT EXERCISE IN WHAT IS CONDITIONAL USE AND WHAT IS A, LIKE FOR LIKE KIND OF TRANSFER AND WHAT IS A, NOT LIKE FOR LIKE, AND I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR, YEAH, WE COULD PULL THAT TOGETHER.
'CAUSE AGAIN, RIGHT DRIVE-THROUGHS, AUTO ORIENTED, LIKE THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT HAS MUCH FAR REACHING IMPACTS.
BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THESE MORE SORT OF MINOR USE CHANGES, WE COULD MAYBE IDENTIFY THAT A LITTLE MORE SUCCINCTLY AND BRING SOMETHING BACK MORE CONCRETE THAN JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS AS A BIG PICTURE.
I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME TIMES ONE-OFF SIGNS THAT COME BEFORE YOU.
SO AGAIN, MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
AND LIKE, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THAT'S FINE.
BUT, UM, WE COULD SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I AGREED MASTER SIGN PLANS THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CODE, SO THAT I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH CHANGING EITHER.
SO, BUT I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAD HERE WITH THE YEAR BY YEAR.
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UH, I THINK THAT DOES SPEAK TO YOUR STAFF IS FANTASTIC, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT HOW THE, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR, WHETHER IT'S THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGENDA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, STAFF'S BEEN FANTASTIC WITH PROVIDING THE COMMISSION WITH ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO DO OUR JOBS AT LEAST ACCEPTABLY WELL.SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
TO A POINT ABOUT, I'M SORRY, BUT, UM, THE DATA ON HOW MANY ITEMS GO THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT TO GET THERE, THE STAFF STILL HAS TO DO A FULL WORKUP.
AND NOW THAT'S PART OF MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE NUMBERS SUGGEST THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO, THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE PULLED THEN TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE EXERCISE.
SO THAT ONE OF YOU DO EVERYTHING BUT PRESENT, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BEST USE OF STAFF'S TIME.
MR. CHANEL, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, UH, THE TERM MINOR WHO, LIKE WHEN SOMETHING, WHEN YOU DE DEEM IT MINOR THAT IT GOES ON CONSENT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT, WHO, WHO DETERMINES THAT? FOR INSTANCE, LIKE WE'LL JUST PICK ON SIGNAGE SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT.
A MINOR ADJUSTMENT TO A SIGN THAT'S A COLOR CHANGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT COULD BE PERCEIVED AS MORE OF A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, IS THERE A, IS THAT JUST UP TO YOU OR SOMEBODY THAT JUST, I MEAN WE, WE DO DISCUSS IT INTERNALLY.
I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S TYPICALLY IT'S MINOR.
THERE'S NOT A DEFINITION TO WHAT'S MINOR IN NATURE.
AGAIN, I'M, I'M USING MY BEST JUDGMENT TO SAY, AND AGAIN, EVEN IF IT'S NOT MINOR IN NATURE, WE HAVE INCLUDED OTHER CASES THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD BE A LARGER DEVELOPMENT.
BUT IF YOU'VE SEEN IT MULTIPLE TIMES, THEN MAYBE THAT COULD BE ON CONSENT.
THAT'S ALSO A CUE TO YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO YEAH, THERE'S NOT REALLY A HARD AND FAST RULE HERE.
SO I IMAGINE THIS IS NOT THE LAST TIME WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE COULD USE AS PILOTS.
THE MENU BOARD SIGNS, I THINK THE, THE COMMISSION AGREED TO A FEW WEEKS AGO.
UH, I THINK THAT THAT ONE IS A GOOD, UM, ITEM TO KICK OFF.
AND THEN WE CAN SEE HOW THAT PARTICULAR ONE RUNS.
I DO THINK THAT CONSENT, SORRY, THE, THE, UM, CONDITIONAL USES IS A NICE LITTLE, UH, EXERCISE IN WHAT IS LIKE FOR LIKE, SO FOR INSTANCE, IF WE HAVE CONDITIONAL USES OF A COMMON LIMITED STRING OF FOUR USES THAT HAVE SIMILAR PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING, WHERE EVEN THOUGH THE USE IS NOT THE SAME, SO A DAYCARE CENTER FOR SCHOOL WHERE THEY BOTH HAVE PICKUP DROP OFF AREAS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
OR A, A HAIR SALON STUDIO WITH A, A POST OFFICE WHERE YOU HAVE FOOT TRAFFIC PLUS THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, I THINK WOULD BE, WOULD WARRANT A NEXT DISCUSSION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW? ADMINISTRATIVE APPRO APPROVALS ITEM.
[September Tour]
SEPTEMBER TOUR.SO I HAVE, UH, INCLUDED A MEMO WHICH I'LL JUST PUT UP HERE ON THE SCREEN REAL QUICK.
UM, THAT SHOWED A LIST OF, UM, HOW WE WOULD, OR I GUESS MORE GLOBALLY, LIKE HOW WE PROPOSED TO DO THIS.
UM, SITES THAT WE WOULD ENVISION SEEING TOPICS TO COVER.
UM, AND I WANTED YOUR FEEDBACK.
SO I THINK WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE SEEING A VARIETY OF PROJECTS.
SO RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, UM, PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU.
AND I CAN GO IN MORE DETAIL THIS AND THEN THINGS SPECIFICALLY WHEN BRIDGE WITHIN BRIDGE STREET.
SO, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SEEING THINGS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED SO THAT WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT BUILDING MATERIALS, SO I THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE CONVERSATION, SITE DESIGN, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO I WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ABOUT LOCATIONS AND TOPICS AS WELL AS ARE THERE ANY, IF TIME WOULD PERMIT TO GET OUT AND WALK AROUND.
SO I WAS ANTICIPATING, GIVEN THAT THIS PRETTY MUCH COVERS A LARGE PORTION OF THIS CITY, UM, WE WOULD BE DRIVING FOR MOST OF IT.
BUT SOME PLACES MIGHT BE, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO SPLIT THIS UP AND DO SOMETHING A TWO-PARTER.
SO CAN WE ADD THE SHOUTING THE FUNERAL HOME THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
YEAH, THAT ONE IS I THINK ONE THAT WE DID VERY WELL.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT EXACTLY WHAT I WANT.
OR IF THERE'S SOMEONE HERE YOU REALLY DON'T CARE TO SEE.
UM, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT TOO.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE A GOOD VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT WERE USED ON THESE PROJECTS, SITE LAYOUT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO, AND THEN CAN WE DO ONE OF THE OLDER RESIDENTIAL? SO I'M THINKING LIKE, UH, WHAT IS IT? THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF DUBLIN.
IT'S RIGHT SOUTH OF AMBER LEE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE BUMPED UP NEWER APPLICATIONS WITH.
AND THEN WE GOT THE NEWER APPLICATION AND SAID, WHAT, WHY ARE THESE HOUSES SO CLOSE TOGETHER? THEY HAD THE SAME DEVELOPMENT TEXT AS SOME OF THE OLDER ONES.
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I THINK THAT ONE'S A GOOD ONE.ANYONE ELSE LOOKING AT THESE? ANY THAT WE WANT TO ADD TO OR TAKE AWAY FROM THE LIST? ARE THERE, JUST REAL QUICK, ARE THESE WINS? DO WE HAVE LOSSES ON HERE? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, AND IT PROBABLY DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE, UM, WHICH WOULD BE A GOOD, GOOD CONVERSATION.
UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK WORKED WELL? WHAT DO YOU THINK DID NOT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE DISCRIMINATING, IF IT WAS ONLY PROJECTS THAT WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF.
UM, I THINK THERE'S ALSO OTHER PROJECTS PROBABLY THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE IMPROVEMENTS MADE.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC? NOT TO CALL ANYBODY OUT? WELL, I, I GUESS I'M, I EYEBALL IN THE COLUMBUS ONCOLOGY BUILDING, WHICH IF IT'S WHAT I THINK IT IS, IT IS A NICE BUILDING.
IT LOOKS LIKE, SO WE'LL MAYBE SEE SOME OF THESE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ADDRESS IS.
I CAN PROBABLY PROBABLY LOOK IT UP, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A STRAIGHT BUILDING WITH JUST A CAP SITTING ON TOP OF IT.
LIKE IT'S COMPLETELY, JEN'S ALREADY HEAD NODDING.
I MEAN, SO WE TRIED TO PICK MORE RECENT PROJECTS, SO THAT'S PROBABLY IN THAT MORE LEGACY, UM, CATEGORY, WHICH WE'LL SEE ALONG THE WAY.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMMENTARY AS WE TOUR TOO.
AND I THINK THE, THE SAME THING GOES FOR RIGHT DOWN THE STREET HERE.
I THINK FALLS INTO THE SAME CATEGORY.
NOT THAT WE NEED TO DO BOTH, BUT SURE.
AND, AND AGAIN, ARE WE, ARE WE WE'RE JUST DRIVING BY MOST OF THESE OR ARE WE WALKING THEM? THAT'S WHAT I'M REQUESTING YOU TO TELL ME.
I THINK SOME OF THE BRIDGE STREET RELATED THINGS MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO WALK AROUND IN.
'CAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE DO.
I GUESS I'M GOING TO, I KNOW ON THESE, THE OTHER THING IS, AND YOU JUST MENTIONED IT, THINGS THAT GET REFERENCED.
AND I, I DO REFERENCE ASHERTON.
JUST DRIVE ARLINGTON AND GO YEAH.
OH LOOK IN THIS SIDE AND LOOK IN THIS SIDE.
SO YEAH, THERE'S, I THINK MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS ONCE WE HAVE THIS LIST, THEN MAYBE WE SWAG.
WE CAN MAP IT OUT AND THEN WE PROVIDE THAT SEQUENCE.
BUT THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR THIS SHOULD BE A WALK, THIS SHOULD BE A DRIVE, THIS.
WE CAN PUT SOME MORE THOUGHT TO THAT DOWN.
AND THEN I THINK MAYBE IT'S A REQUEST OF US.
WHAT ARE OTHER THINGS YOU MIGHT HAVE PERSONALLY REFERENCED OR WE, THAT COMES UP THAT BOY WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD HAVE A SHARED BASELINE OF NOT WHAT ARE WE THINKING? TIME, DURATION.
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT ASHER? IT'S GONNA BE GETTING DARKER.
SO, UM, THAT MIGHT BE A DISCUSSION TOO.
IF WE'RE WILLING TO START EARLIER IN THE DAY.
UM, I MEAN I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY LIMIT IT TO TWO HOURS.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY, THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TOO.
I ALSO WONDER IF WE WANNA SEGMENT RESIDENTIAL FROM COMMERCIAL.
THOSE WERE THE LAST THINGS, IN FACT WERE BUILT BY NEW TOWN.
THEY WERE, UM, IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL CATEGORIES.
I THINK WE WOULD MAP THEM OUT AS LIKE THINGS TO SEE ALONG THE WAY.
UM, AND THEN GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION.
LIKE WE, WE WOULD INTEND TO GIVE YOU A QUICK SYNOPSIS OF LIKE WHEN IT WAS APPROVED AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WHAT IT INCLUDES.
SO YEAH, WE WOULDN'T TOUR IN THE ORDER OF THEM.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO DIVIDE THEM SO YOU COULD SEE THOSE.
SO WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? WHY DON'T WE CHALLENGE THE COMMISSION TO LOOK OVER THE LIST, THINK ABOUT THOSE ITEMS, THINK ABOUT APPROACHES, WHETHER WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING SEQUENCING, IF THERE ARE ANY THAT YOU SEE ON HERE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE.
THEN WE COULD COME UP WITH AN APPROACH FOR, IS THIS ONE VISIT, IS THIS TWO, ARE WE GOING TO WALK, ARE WE NOT? SO IF THE COMMISSION COULD LOOK THE LIST OVER AND THEN ALSO FLAG ANY THAT YOU'D LIKE TO GET OUT AND WALK AROUND VERSUS THOSE YOU'D LIKE TO WALK BY AND RESPOND TO JENNY AND TEAM WITH THAT INFORMATION.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE AN ACCEPTABLE NEXT STEP? STEP? YEAH, THAT'S PERFECT.
'CAUSE WE THEN WOULD HAVE TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THAT.
LIKE WE COULD BRING SOMETHING BACK AT ONE OF THOSE FIRST SEPTEMBER MEETINGS AND SHARE THAT BACK WITH YOU AND HAVE TIME TO MAKE REVISIONS.
'CAUSE I WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE TOMORROW'S PACKET.
AND THEN MS. HARDER, ARE YOU ABLE TO ATTEND OR IS THIS THE ONE THAT YOU'RE NOT? NO, THIS IS THE ONE I'M NOT ABLE TO ATTEND.
BUT WE, YOU WERE MENTIONING YOU THOUGHT MAYBE YOU COULD DO, YOU MIGHT, UM, DO A SECOND DAY IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
BUT ALSO I WANTED TO JUST THROW IN REALLY QUICKLY THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE HITTING ALL DIFFERENT AREAS ACROSS THE RIVER, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND MAYBE ALSO THINKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE AND HOW THEY HAVE UH, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, JOINED IN WITH OTHER NEW NEIGHBORHOODS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
SO I APPRECIATE THE REQUEST THAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YEAH, WE TRIED TO PROVIDE A GOOD CROSS SECTION OF, WE'RE NOT JUST HITTING JUST BRIDGE STREET OR JUST THE, I MEAN WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT, AGAIN, WE WERE FOCUSING LARGELY ON NEWER APPROVED PROJECTS, BUT WE COULD AGAIN, TRY TO HIT A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
AND IF THERE'S TOO MANY THINGS, MAYBE WE NEED TO DO ANOTHER ONE IN THE SPRING AND THEN IF, IF, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE AT LEAST ONE COMMISSION MEMBER IS GOING TO MISS ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, IF WE BREAK IT INTO TWO, IF YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE WHETHER YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE COMMERCIAL OR LIKE TO SEE A RESIDENTIAL, IF THAT'S THE WAY WE END UP SPLITTING
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THE VISIT.IF YOU WANNA SEND THAT OFF TO JENNY ALSO.
SARAH, IS THERE MERIT WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS? FORGIVE ME.
I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO GET US ORGANIZED, BUT I GUESS I'M GOING TO A THING WE REFERENCE OR SEE A LOT OF IS YEAH.
UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT MORE INTENSE USE, HIGHER DENSITY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WE GET OFTEN WHEN I I WAS GOING TO, SHOULD WE SEE THREE OF THOSE? RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE ARE GOOD, THERE ARE GOOD EXAMPLES.
DO WE NEED A KNOWLEDGE BASE THAT IS SHARED AROUND I, I'M GOING TO THE ONE THAT'S BY KAUFMAN, UH, KAUFMAN HIGH SCHOOL.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S KIND OF THAT WAY.
AND IT IS VERY GARAGE FRONT LOADED IN A WAY THAT WE USUALLY OBJECT TO.
AND UM, THERE'S THE ONE THAT'S BY, UH, BRAND AND MEREFIELD BY THE JACK.
THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE DES C*****G RIGHT NOW.
BUT POINT POINT IS THAT THERE ARE EXAMPLES THAT DO WORK IN A LOVELY WAY AND, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF HEARTBURN AND HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE I THINK WHEN WE SEE THOSE EXAMPLES.
ONE, ONE OTHER THING, IF I COULD CHALLENGE THE COMMISSION AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS.
YOU COULD THE ONE, THE ONE BY IF YOU COULD FORWARD TO STAFF AND MEREFIELD DRIVE WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO GET OUT OF THE VISIT.
I'D LIKE TO GET EXAMPLES OF GOOD.
I'D LIKE TO GET EXAMPLES OF FAILURES.
I'D LIKE TO GET HOW WE DO HIGH DENSITY ADJACENT TO LOWER DENSITY.
I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW COMMERCIAL FEATHERS INTO RESIDENTIAL, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
I KNOW THE ONE THING THAT I'VE BROUGHT UP MULTIPLE TIMES IS I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER CITY THAT I HAVE EVER VISITED THAT DID THE TWO 70 CORRIDOR TO CARDINAL AND THAT CAMPUS TO MILLION DOLLAR HOMES AS WELL AS DUBLIN DID.
THAT TO ME IS IF I COULD, SO WE'RE BADGE, WE DUMP EMERALD.
EMERALD, EMERALD PARKWAY OR IS THAT IT? TWO 70 CARDINAL MILLION DOLLAR HOMES AND A HIGH SCHOOL.
AND WE DID IT AND WE DID IT WELL.
SO IF I COULD GIVE EVERYONE ON PLANNING A, A BADGE, IT WOULD BE FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
YOU GUYS JUST KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK.
UH, WHAT IS THAT? THAT IS I, I DON'T KNOW.
WE'LL GET YOU THE NAME, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD SUBMIT TO STAFF THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT OF THE VISIT, COULD WE SET ASIDE JUST A FEW MINUTES AFTER A MEETING JUST TO KIND OF, UH, REGROUP OR TALK ABOUT IT? OR DO YOU SEE ANOTHER TIME FOR US TO DO THAT? YEAH, LEMME TALK ABOUT PROCEDURALLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO AGAIN, IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, IT'LL BE ADVERTISED AS SUCH.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE A VEHICLE THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IF THEY WANT TO ATTEND AND GO ALONG WITH US.
UM, THERE WILL, WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE TOUR AMONGST THE COMMISSION.
'CAUSE IT DOES HAVE THE PUBLIC FORUM.
BUT THEN MY ANTICIPATION WOULD BE YES, THAT WE WOULD EITHER PUT IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM OR AT THE END OF A MEETING FOR DISCUSSION OF HERE'S OUR TAKEAWAYS, HERE'S OR YOU KNOW, WHATEV WHATEVER ELSE YOU ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY.
'CAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COME, YOU COULD, WE CAN GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION.
YOU COULD DO A LITTLE QUICK DRIVING TOUR YOURSELF OR WE COULD SEE IF STAFF COULD TAKE YOU AROUND AND DO THAT TOO.
SO, UM, AS A ONE-OFF THING TOO.
[COMMUNICATIONS]
COMMUNICATIONS FOR THIS EVENING? EVERYONE.HOPE YOU ENJOYED THE, THE IRISH FESTIVAL.
SO YES, WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT THURSDAY.
SO THEY'RE BACK TO BACK MEETINGS THIS MONTH.
SO WE HAVE ONE ON, YEAH, THE 17TH.
UM, SO YEAH, BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS A JOINT WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL IN THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST THE 30TH AS WELL.
SO YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT AN APPOINTMENT ALONG WHEN WE DID ALL OF OUR MEETING DATES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
THAT SHOULD BE ON YOUR CALENDARS AS WELL.
SO THAT'LL ALSO BE HERE, THAT'S USUALLY A SIX TO EIGHT O'CLOCK MEETING.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT UPDATES FROM LAST YEAR'S MEETING.
YOU HAD SOME REQUEST ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAD SOME REQUESTS.
SO STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING THROUGH THOSE.
OUR COMMUNITY PLAN CONSULTANTS GONNA BE HERE FOR A PUBLIC MEETING THE NIGHT BEFORE.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME DISCUSSION OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.
AND THEN I DID WANNA ASK IF YOU ALL HAVE DISCUSSION TOPICS THAT YOU WOULD WANNA RAISE TO COUNCIL THAT I COULD SHARE WITH THEM AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE MIGHT BE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THINGS YOU, YOU WANTED TO RAISE WITH COUNSEL AND GET, SINCE YOU HAVE, I SAY THERE'S TWO DATES OR THREE DATES.
AUGUST 17TH AND AUGUST THE 30TH AND THAT'S IT.
WELL THEN THERE'S, I GUESS I'LL AUGUST THE 29TH.
SO THE NIGHT BEFORE THERE IS AN OPEN HOUSE FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT NIGHT.
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HOUSE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN.BACK HERE AT YOUR HOUSE? YEAH, WE'RE COMING TO YOUR HOUSE.
UH, NO, THAT WILL BE AT OUR BUILDING.
SO I GUESS BACK TO THE JOINT WORK SESSION, UM, SOMETIMES THE COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE THINGS THEY WANNA RAISE TO COUNCIL AND TALK THROUGH.
SO I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS ANY ITEMS YOU WANTED ME TO SHARE.
AND JUST TO NOTE I NOT BE AT 10 THAT 30TH MEETING.
MISSED THE, THE P C C MEETINGS WITH MY TRAVEL PLANS.
UH, I WAS GONNA ASK IF THERE'S ANY MERIT TO US RAISING A MOTION TO MAKE SURE WE BANJO THREE COMES BACK NEXT YEAR.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION? SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU OF LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE FOR SPENDING ANOTHER THURSDAY NIGHT IN COMMUNITY SERVICE.