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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
YOU CAN JOIN THE MEETING IN PERSON AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE, OR ALSO ACCESS VIA THE LIVESTREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CASES AT THIS TIME.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME THROUGH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE CLIENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT, MS. HARDER HERE, MR. WAY.
MS. CALL HERE, MR. SNARE MRNA.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
WE DO HAVE THE DOCUMENTS AND MINUTES FROM THE JULY 6TH MEETING FOR APPROVAL.DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SO MOVED.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATING OF PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN.
THERE ARE NO CASES TONIGHT ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE COMMISSION STATE THAT NO NEW AGENDA ITEMS ARE TO BE INTRODUCED PAST 10:30 PM ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY CASES THIS EVENING, WILL YOU PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS COMMISSION? THANK YOU.
[Case #23-049]
OUR FIRST CASE, UH, ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING IS CASE 23 DASH 0 49 DUBLIN VILLAGE REDEVELOPMENT AT P I D 2 73 DASH 0 0 9 0 4 5 CONCEPT PLAN.THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF AN EXISTING SIX ACRE PARKING LOT AND A PORTION OF A STRIP CENTER TO CONSTRUCT TWO NEW FOUR-STORY PODIUM STYLE APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH 284 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS AND 360 PARKING SPACES.
THE SITE IS ZONED BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SA SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND LOCATED NORTHEAST AT THE INTERSECTIONS OF JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY AND VILLAGE PARKWAY.
MS. HOLT, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR CASE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION, MADAM CHAIR AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS INDEED DUBLIN VILLAGE APARTMENTS.
IT IS A CONCEPT PLAN, AND WE'LL START WITH WHAT THAT MEANS.
IT IS THE FIRST OF THREE FORMAL STEPS WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
IT IS A LOOK AT JUST THE CHARACTER OR NATURE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE BUILDING, MASSING, OPEN SPACE, LOCATION, THE STREET NETWORK, A THOSE SORTS OF HIGH LEVEL THINGS.
A DETERMINATION IS REQUIRED TONIGHT, AND SHOULD A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BE SOUGHT BY THE APPLICANT, THE CONCEPT PLAN APPROVAL IS REQUIRED BY CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.
LOOKING AT THE SITE, THIS IS PART OF THE OVERALL DUBLIN VILLAGE CENTER, UM, WHICH WAS A CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT BACK IN 1987.
IT'S A 54 ACRE COMMERCIAL RETAIL ENTERTAINMENT CENTER WITH AROUND 400,000 SQUARE FEET OF LARGE FORMAT, UM, AND INLINE RETAIL WITH OUT PARCELS.
THE PROJECT SITE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS APPROXIMATELY SIX ACRES.
IT'S SHOWN IN YELLOW AND RUNS LENGTHWISE DOWN TELLER ROAD.
IT'S ADJACENT TO A NEW INTERSECTION PLANNED FOR TELLER AND VILLAGE PARKWAY, AND THE A E P EASEMENT BISECTS THE SITE AS SHOWN HERE, AS THE CITY IS UPDATING ITS CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN, CITY COUNCIL HAS REQUESTED THAT WE USE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STILL IN SYNC WITH THE LATEST THINKING ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AND WE ARE EVALUATING ALL APPLICATIONS ACCORDING TO THESE.
AND FOR THIS PROJECT, THE HIGHLIGHTED GOALS
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THAT ARE SHOWN HERE APPLY AND ARE ALSO DESCRIBED IN THE STAFF REPORT.NEXT, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT ZONING.
THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE ESTABLISHES VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS WHERE SPECIAL ATTENTION TO LOCATION AND CHARACTER OF BUILDINGS, STREETS, AND OPEN SPACES ARE PAID.
THE GOAL IS TO COORDINATE A MIX OF USES.
THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS LOCATED AT THE STAR AND IT'S WITHIN THE SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
THE SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD ELEMENTS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT OF THE SLIDE SHOW VARIOUS GATEWAYS, SHOPPING CENTERS, OPEN SPACE NODES, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT NONE OF THESE AFFECT THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT CODE ALSO HAS A GRIDDED STREET NETWORK WITH THE GOAL BEING TO HAVE WALKABLE BLOCKS, AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT STREET HIERARCHIES WITHIN THAT NETWORK.
AND THIS SITE IS MOSTLY MADE UP OF NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF VILLAGE PARKWAY, WHICH IS BOTH A PRINCIPAL FRONTAGE STREET AND A DISTRICT CONNECTOR STREET.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PREVIOUS REQUESTS FOR SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND CONFIGURATIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR PROJECTS.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH THAT HISTORY OTHER THAN TO POINT OUT WHAT IS DIFFERENT WITH THE, UM, PROJECT BEFORE US TONIGHT.
SO IN DECEMBER OF 22, THE COMMISSION PROVIDED FEEDBACK ON ANOTHER CONCEPT PLAN, UM, THE STREET NETWORK REGARDING THE STREET NETWORK.
THE COMMISSION FELT THAT THIS WAS DICTATED MORE BY THE A M C PARKING AGREEMENTS, AND THAT ACCESS WAS SHOWN ON A PRINCIPLE FRONTAGE STREET.
THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL REMEDIES BOTH OF THOSE SITUATIONS, UH, PARKING WAS FELT BY THE COMMISSION TO BE, AGAIN, TO DEPENDENT UPON THE AMC PARKING AGREEMENTS.
AND, AND AGAIN, UM, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE LAND UNDERNEATH THAT PARKING AGREEMENT.
BUILDING HEIGHTS AT THAT TIME WERE TOO TALL AND THE MAXIMUM FLOOR HEIGHTS WERE EXCEEDED.
THIS IS NOT THE CASE WITH THIS APPLICATION.
UM, BACK IN DECEMBER, THE ARCHITECTURE WAS WELL RECEIVED, SUBJECT TO THE HEIGHT AND SIZE CONCERNS.
THE USE OF FUTURE UNDEFINED OPEN SPACE AREAS WERE ALSO CONCERNS.
PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS WERE FELT TO BE INADEQUATE, AND THE PROPOSAL RELIED ON, UM, SOME OFFSITE OPEN SPACES.
THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT RELY ON OFFSITE OPEN SPACES.
AND FINALLY, OVERALL, THE COMMISSION WANTED TO SEE SOME KIND OF A FRAMEWORK PLAN FOR ALL OF DUBLIN VILLAGE, AND A MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE THAT IS FOR REFERENCE ONLY, BUT IT DOES SEE A POTENTIAL VIEW OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN FOR THIS AREA.
MOVING ON OR MOVING BACKWARDS ACTUALLY TO MAY OF 22.
UM, THE COMMISSION REVIEWED AN INFORMAL REQUEST FOR TWO PODIUM APARTMENTS, AGAIN, USING CONFIGURATIONS THAT ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SEE TONIGHT.
BOTH APARTMENTS AND TOWN HOMES WERE SUPPORTED.
UM, THE COMMISSION LIGHT GROUND FLOOR ACTIVITIES AND USES EAST WEST STREETS WERE SHOWN, BUT THE COMMISSION WANTED NORTH SOUTH CONNECTIONS AS WELL.
THIS PROPOSAL SHOWS THESE, THE COMMISSION SUPPORTED THE STRUCTURED UNDERGROUND PARKING, AND WE HAVE THAT TONIGHT.
UM, AND AT THAT TIME, BUILDING HEIGHTS WERE A CONCERN.
IT WAS SIX TO SEVEN STORIES YOU MIGHT REMEMBER ADJACENT TO THREE STORY BUILDINGS.
THIS PROPOSAL REMEDIES THAT SITUATION.
UM, AGAIN, OPEN SPACE COMMENTS.
THERE, THERE WERE CONCERN ABOUT BOTH QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF OPEN SPACE CASH IN LIEU FOR OFFSITE OPEN SPACE WAS NOT SUPPORTED.
AND, UM, AGAIN, THAT VISION FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT SITE IS PRESENTED IN YOUR PACKET FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
SO, MOVING ON TO TONIGHT'S PROPOSAL, WE SEE TWO BUILDINGS SHOWN.
THERE ARE TWO POTENTIAL PHASES.
PHASE ONE IS ON THE EXISTING PARKING LOT AT THAT NEW INTERSECTION OF VILLAGE PARKWAY AND TOLER ROAD.
PHASE TWO REPLACES SOME OF THE EXISTING STRIP CENTER BUILDINGS FARTHER TO THE EAST.
PHASE ONE IS A PODIUM APARTMENT BUILDING TYPE.
IT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE SITE
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SLOPE AND HAS APPROXIMATELY 125 UNITS WITH 133 PARKING SPACES IN A GARAGE.THIS ACCESS POINT HERE NEEDS TO MOVE FARTHER EAST PER RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
PHASE TWO IS AN APARTMENT BUILDING TYPE WITH 160 UNITS APPROXIMATELY AND 175 PARKING SPACES IN THE GARAGE.
AT THIS POINT, THE LOTS AND THE BLOCKS MEET THE CODE CRITERIA.
THE PHASE TWO BUILDING IS SLIGHTLY BEYOND THE MID-BLOCK CROSSING REQUIREMENT, AND THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED AT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THAT'S SUBJECT TO A CONDITION OF A APPROVAL JUST AS ALMOST A TRACKING ITEM FOR THE, FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT FOR THIS PROJECT, THE FRONT PROPERTY LINES HAVE BEEN DETERMINED TO BE ON VILLAGE PARKWAY, MCCUNE AVENUE, AND STREET B, AND THIS ALLOWS THE FOCUS TO BE TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
AS SHOWN ON THAT MASTER PLAN, IT ALSO BOOKENDS THIS DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH TOWNS ON THE PARKWAY DIRECTLY TO THE WEST.
SO WE'RE REQUESTING THE COMMISSION'S CONCURRENCE ON THIS THROUGH A RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
NEXT, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, THE APPLICANT'S MASSING STUDY.
AND THIS PROVIDES A GOOD FEELING OF THE MCCUNE AVENUE EDGES AND INTERACTIONS.
PHASE ONE IS SHOWN AT FOUR TO FOUR AND A HALF STORIES, AGAIN, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT SLOPE.
PHASE TWO IS A FOUR STORY BUILDING.
BOTH BUILDING HEIGHTS COMPLY WITH THE CODE, AND BOTH BUILDINGS ALSO INDICATE A VARIETY OF BUILDING FORMS IN ARTICULATION.
THE BUILDING TYPE COMPATIBILITY IS APPROPRIATE ADJACENT TO TOWNS ON THE PARKWAY.
AND THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE HEIGHT AND MASSING COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS.
THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH W IS KIND OF LEGAL NONCONFORMING.
UM, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE BRIDGE STREET CODE AND IS NOT PART OF THOSE BUILDING TYPES THAT NEED TO BE COMPATIBLE.
THERE'S A RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT STATES THAT ALL PRACTICABLE BUILDING TYPE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET AT PDP PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THESE ARE INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES FOR THE ARCHITECTURE.
NOTE, THE YO THE USE OF STOOPS, WHICH APPEAR ON THE WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF EACH BUILDING, AND THE MATERIALS ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE BRICK, GLASS, AND METAL.
AND THE BRICK WE'RE JUST NOTING SHOULD BE FULL DEPTH.
THESE ARE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL INSPIRATIONS.
THE TOP LEFT IS A EXAMPLE OF WHAT A PRIVATE AMENITY DECK MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
THE BOTTOM LEFT AGAIN SHOWS SOME MORE STOOP CONFIGURATIONS, PRIVATE ENTRIES, AND HOW THOSE MIGHT INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.
ON THE RIGHT, WE SEE THE PUBLIC SPACES STAFF IS WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT QUALITY PUBLIC SPACE, PUBLIC OPEN SPACE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE A E P EASEMENT.
THOSE EASEMENTS GENERALLY CARRY A LOT OF LIMITATIONS WITH THEM.
UM, SO WE'RE MAKING SOME NOTE OF THAT AT THIS EARLY STAGE.
THIS EASEMENT HAS A POTENTIAL AS A REAL GREENWAY, A GREEN SPINE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE MASTER PLAN SITE.
AND IDEALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ADJACENT VERTICAL ELEMENTS THAT KIND OF LINK THIS OTHERWISE AT GRADE FEATURE ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT SPINE.
WE'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF TERMINAL FEATURE AT THE NORTH END.
SO WE HAVE A RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT STATES THAT STAFF AND THE APPLICANT CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER TO MEET ALL OF THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS AT PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS INCLUDES THE THREE TO ONE RATIO AND THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS I MENTIONED, AND THE APPLICANT HAS VERBALLY INDICATED THAT THE SPACE ADJACENT TO THAT EASEMENT IS APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET WIDE.
TAKING A BIT OF A CLOSER LOOK AT SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT, UM, STAFF IS ENVISIONING HERE, WE, AGAIN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE ROOM FOR THOSE NECESSARY VERTICAL ELEMENTS ALONG THE EASEMENT.
SINCE THOSE, SINCE THE EASEMENT DOES NOT ALLOW,
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UM, VERTICAL ELEMENTS WITHIN IT FOR THE PHASE TWO BUILDINGS, STAFF HOPES THAT THAT BUILDING CAN BE SHIFTED BOTH TO THE EAST AND THE NORTH SQUEEZED.THIS WOULD ALLOW VERTICAL ELEMENTS EITHER ARCHITECTURAL OR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL ADJACENT TO THAT EASEMENT AND HELP CREATE AN ENCLO SPACE.
UM, ALONG THAT GREENWAY, WE WOULD, UM, I'M SORRY.
WE ALSO SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISUALLY AND PHYSICALLY LINK BOTH OF THE ACTIVE SPACES BETWEEN THE TWO APARTMENT BUILDINGS RUNNING EAST WEST, AND THEN SHOOTING NORTH, IF YOU WILL, DOWN THAT, THAT, UM, GREEN SPACE.
AND FINALLY, STAFF HOPES TO SEE THAT TERMINAL FEATURE AT THE END OF THE GREENWAY.
AND THESE FEATURES AND CONCEPTS ARE DESCRIBED IN THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
ADEQUATE PARKING IS SHOWN FOR THE PROJECT.
IT INCLUDES SOME ON-STREET PARKING AS WELL AS IN THE GARAGES.
AND THIS IS INDICATED WITH THIS CHART.
AND IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE REVIEW CRITERIA ARE MOSTLY MET AND OPEN SPACE ITEM SIX SHOULD READ ADDRESSED WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND AS I MENTIONED, MOST OF THESE ARE REALLY FOR TRACKING PURPOSES.
LOOKING FORWARD TO NEXT STEPS AT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
TO SUMMARIZE, UM, WE WOULD LIKE CONFIRMATION FROM THE COMMISSION THAT THE FRONT PROPERTY LINES ARE AT MCCUNE VILLAGE PARKWAY AND STREET B, THAT THE STREETSCAPE FEATURES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT STREETSCAPE CHARACTER GUIDELINES.
THE GARAGE ENTRY FOR THE PHASE ONE BUILDING NEEDS TO SHIFT TO THE EAST.
THE APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH STAFF REGARDING BUILDING TYPE REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING, UH, FRONT PROPERTY LINE COVERAGE.
THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR A MID-BLOCK CROSSING WAIVER FOR THE PHASE TWO BUILDING.
THAT MAY JUST BE THE SKETCH NATURE OF THIS BUILDING.
I THINK WE'RE OFF BY TWO FEET.
THAT MAY RESOLVE ITSELF AND CERTAINLY MAY RESOLVE ITSELF IF WE ARE ABLE TO NARROW AND SQUISH THAT BUILDING.
UM, AS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED, WE HAVE SOME PEDESTRIAN WAY EMPHASIS AND DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS.
AND THEN FINALLY THAT OPEN SPACE, UM, CONDITION WHERE WE HAVE THE THREE TO ONE RATIO AND THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS ADJACENT TO THE A E P EASEMENT.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I, I DO WANNA NOTE, I I HAVE A, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT TO READ INTO THE RECORD.
IS THAT THE SAME PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE HAD IN OUR ONE DRIVE? OKAY.
WAS THE COMMISSION ABLE TO READ THE COMMENT THAT WAS IN OUR DRIVE? IF WE COULD HAVE YOU READ BOTH INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD? YES.
I HAVE ONE FROM ERIC BURCHETTE, AND HIS ADDRESS IS 67 29 HOBBES LANDING DRIVE EAST.
AND HE SAYS, I LIVE IN GRAYSTONE MUSE AND THIS LATEST PROJECT TO BUILD MORE APARTMENTS, 284 SEEMS TO BE OVERKILL IN THAT AREA WITH ALL THE CONDOS AND APARTMENTS IN BRIDGE PARK, PLUS THE PULTE HOMES DEVELOPMENT, TILLER FLATS, SYCAMORE RIDGE, AND NOT TO MENTION ACROSS SAWMILL, THE DENSITY SEEMS TO BE OVERWHELMING.
ADDITIONALLY, FISHER HOMES HAS SUBMITTED A PLAN FOR MORE CONDOS ACROSS FROM PULTE HOMES DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE ANOTHER GREEN SPACE ON JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY.
I AM AWARE OF PROPOSALS FOR THE OPEN SPACE BETWEEN JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY AND TELLER ROAD, WHICH AGAIN ELIMINATES GREEN SPACE.
I AM HOPEFUL THAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN WILL CONSIDER THE DENSITY ISSUE AND DENY THE LATEST DUBLIN VILLAGE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THAT DOES APPEAR TO BE THE ONE THAT'S IN OUR ONE DRIVE.
I HAVE A SECOND ONE THAT WE GOT THIS EVENING, UM, FROM DIANE CARANO AT 33 90 MARTIN ROAD IN DUBLIN, OHIO.
UM, AND IT SAYS, WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT STAFF OFFICERS HAVE MODIFIED THEIR PREVIOUS PLAN, IT IS STILL TOO DENSE AND WILL RESULT IN EXACERBATING ALREADY CROWDED TRAFFIC CONDITIONS IN THE BRIDGE PARK DISTRICT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE OTHER PROJECTS BEING PROPOSED IN WHAT SPACES
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LEFT IN AND AROUND JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY.ALSO REDUCING THE PROPOSED NUMBER OF UNITS FROM THE ORIGINAL 301 TO 285 SEEMS INSIGNIFICANT.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE APPEARS TO BE VERY LITTLE MEANINGFUL GREEN SPACE, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE TREND.
FISHER HOMES IS PROPOSING AN IMMENSELY DENSE CONDO PROJECT DEVELOPMENT NEAR NEARBY, NOT TO MENTION THE PULTE HOMES FOUR STORY CONDOS.
AND THIS SEEMS TO BE OVERKILL, STATING THE OBVIOUS.
THERE IS AN FINITE AMOUNT OF SPACE, AND THE QUESTION MUST AGAIN BE ASKED WHEN IS ENOUGH.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SHARE MY CONCERNS.
UH, WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND APPLICANT SEPARATELY THIS EVENING, BUT RESERVE THE RIGHT TO KIND OF INTERMIX THE TWO.
SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
I HAVE A QUICK ONE, MR. UM, WE, WE KNOW IT'S A SIX ACRE SITE.
HOW MUCH IS PUBLIC GREEN SPACE? HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT? THE PUBLIC NOT COUNTING THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTERNAL GREEN SPACE.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION YET.
AND THEN, UH, IF I COULD HAVE YOU REWIND A LITTLE BIT.
SO THIS IS A MULTI-STAGE PROCESS, CORRECT? SO WE ARE AT CONCEPT PLAN.
UH, AT CONCEPT PLAN, WE'RE ENTERTAINING SOME OF THE CHARACTER OF THE FIELD, THAT SORT OF THING.
AT PRELIMINARY IS WHEN WE WOULD SEE THE DISTRIBUTION OF OPEN SPACE, THE AMENITIES, THE THOSE DUPLO BLOCK FEATURES RATHER THAN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IN WHICH CASE WE'D SEE THE DETAIL ORIENTED.
SO WE'D LOOK FOR BUILDING TYPES, LOT COVERAGE, ALL OF THAT IN OUR NEXT, RIGHT NOW IT'S CULTURE, IT'S CHARACTER, IT'S FEEL, IT'S LAND USE, IT'S, UH, APPROPRIATE ADJACENT PARCELS.
ALL OF THE LOOK AND FEEL KIND OF, DOES IT FIT, DOES IT NOT FIT WHAT THINGS TO CONSIDER IF THIS MOVES FORWARD IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, NO ONE'S GOING TO GO PULL A BUILDING PERMIT TOMORROW AND START BUILDING THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
THIS IS JUST THE VERY FIRST IN A MULTI-STEP PROCESS.
SO LOOKING TO STAFF AGAIN, I KNOW WE ALREADY HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT OPEN SPACE, BRIDGE STREET, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT SAWMILL NEIGHBORHOOD, SAWMILL CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD.
CAN YOU TALK THROUGH JUST WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE ACCORDING TO CODE, WHAT BUILDING HEIGHTS, THOSE, THOSE KIND OF LARGER SCALE, BUILDING HEIGHT, OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, THOSE TYPES OF ITEMS? I CAN, YES, I'D BE HAPPY TO.
UM, LET ME PULL UP THIS MAP FOR A LITTLE BIT OF REFERENCE.
THE BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS ARE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE BUILDING TYPE.
SO FOR APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND PODIUM APARTMENT BUILDINGS, WE CAN GO UP TO FOUR AND A HALF STORIES.
SO THESE PARTICULAR BUILDINGS ARE WITHIN THOSE CRITERIA.
THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR BOTH OF THOSE BUILDING TYPES ARE 200 SQUARE FEET OF PUBLIC OPEN SPACE PER UNIT.
AND THAT CALCULATES OUT TO ROUGHLY 57,000 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE FOR THIS PROJECT.
BOTH BUILDINGS A PUBLIC OPEN AREA AND WITHIN THE CODE, WE HAVE VERY STRICT AND SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF OPEN SPACE.
UM, THEY NEED TO BE USABLE, THEY NEED TO BE PUBLIC FACING, THEY NEED TO HAVE CERTAIN RATIOS SO THAT THEY ARE NOT LONG AND LINEAR.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UM, WE HAVE PAID SO MUCH ATTENTION TO THIS A E P EASEMENT, THIS EASEMENT, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY YOU THINK OF EASEMENTS AND OPEN SPACE, THEY, THEY CAN COEXIST, BUT THE DESIGN NEEDS TO BE VERY CAREFULLY DONE SO THAT IT IS NOT JUST THE BOWLING ALLEY OF LAWN BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS.
IT NEEDS TO BE MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
THERE NEEDS TO BE INTERACTION AND INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, BETWEEN THE SIDEWALKS, BETWEEN THE LIFE ON THE STREET.
UM, I AM HOPING THAT THAT IS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GETTING TO.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I PULLED THE BUILDING PLAN, BUT ABOUT ONE AND A QUARTER ACRE, 1.2 ACRES.
IS THAT 57,000 SQUARE FOOT? IS MY MATH ABOUT RIGHT? YEAH, IT DOES.
I KNOW 57,000 SQUARE FEET SOUNDS LIKE A LOT.
AND WHEN YOU TRANSFER IT TO ACREAGE, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES AND SOME OF US DON'T RIGHT.
SO THEN LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME, MS. HARDER, I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT,
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UM, TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE PLACE TO CATCH A BUS.WOULD THAT CHANGE ANY OF THOSE THINGS? AND WHEN WOULD YOU BE BRINGING THAT UP? WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS, UM, OPPORTUNITY COMING THIS DIRECTION? YEAH, SO THAT IS MORE OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN KIND OF AN IDEA.
ALTHOUGH WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR BICYCLE PARKING AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
IT'S TOO EARLY TO REALLY DISCUSS EXACTLY WHERE THAT GOES.
UM, BUT ALL OF THAT WILL BE VERY APPROPRIATELY DISCUSSED AT PRELIMINARY.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE CODA WAS GOING TO LAND AND IN THAT AREA AND, UM, AND DOES THAT MAKE PEOPLE STILL HAVE TO TRAVEL OVER THERE? THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS.
SO ALONG THE, THOSE LINES, AND THIS IS JUST A, A SIDE NOTE FOR FUTURE DUBLIN DOESN'T DETERMINE WHERE BUS ROUTES AND THAT SORT OF THING GO.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE ON MOR C SO IT MAY BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO HAVE EITHER A STAFF REPORT A NOTE FROM THAT REPRESENTATIVE MORSI.
I KNOW THERE ARE SOME IN ADMINISTRATION WHO ARE INVOLVED ALSO, BUT ON THOSE FUTURE PLANS AS THEY COME FORWARD.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T DIRECTLY AFFECT US, IT IS SOMETIMES NICE TO KNOW AND IT MAY BE A NICE ANNUAL TYPE REPORT.
MR. RAY, SO I WAS GONNA SAVE THIS QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I THINK I'M GONNA START WITH STAFF AND MAYBE THAT WILL LEAD ME INTO THE QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT.
SO, UM, THE PROPOSED PUBLIC STREET B, OR JUST LET ME, LET ME GENERALIZE IT.
SO WHAT'S IDENTIFIED AS PROPOSED PUBLIC STREETS? HAVE THEY BEEN VETTED BY STAFF IN TERMS OF THOSE ARE THE LOGICAL PLACE TO HAVE PUBLIC STREETS, OR IS IT JUST WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW? THEY MEET THE STREET NETWORK.
UM, WE HAVE VERY CLOSELY WORKED WITH TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY AND ENGINEERING.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS AND WHAT THESE STREETS MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE CHARACTER IS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.
WE'VE BEEN IN A LOT OF TALKS ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE LOCATION, SO LET'S PICK ON, UH, THE LOCATION IS EXACTLY AS INTENDED.
AND, AND WHAT WAS THAT BASED ON THE STREET NETWORK MAP, UH, WHICH IS THE GREEN LINE ONE
SO THE SITE IS, UM, OUTLINED IN BLACK THERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT FITS SQUARELY BETWEEN VILLAGE PARKWAY, THE NEW INTERSECTION WITH VILLAGE PARKWAY AND TELLER ROAD AND GOES OVER TO STREET B, WHAT WE'RE CALLING STREET B AT THIS POINT.
RIGHT, BUT THIS, THIS IS A DIAGRAM, IT'S NOT A, A ACCURATE PLACEMENT OF A STREET.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S, IT, SO THEY'RE FOLLOWING THAT IS TRUE.
THEY'RE FOLLOWING THIS PLAN, BUT THIS PLAN IS NOT BASED ON MEASURED DIMENSIONS OR ANY OF THAT.
I CAN GO TO THE APPLICANT NEXT.
YEAH, I MEAN ALSO THOUGH, THE CODE DOES SPECIFY LOT AND BLOCK DIMENSIONS.
SO THAT IS, THAT'S SORT OF HOW IT'S ARRIVED AT.
SO THERE IS A MATHEMATICAL PIECE TO THIS, NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO HOW THE GRAPHIC IS DEPICTED, BUT THE CODE HAS FOR THIS, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BLOCK LENGTH IS X AND THE TOTAL PERIMETER IS A CERTAIN SIZE.
SO I MEAN, THAT DOES PLAY INTO IT.
SO, SO I WILL LEAD THE APP, I'LL LEAD INTO THE APP APPLICANT QUESTIONS, ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT ON THEIR MASTER PLAN MM-HMM.
AND THAT STREET ACTUALLY CONNECTS ALL THE WAY FROM NORTH SOUTH THROUGH THE CENTER.
IF IT'S MOVED OVER TO THE WEST AS THEY'RE ILLUSTRATING IT, UM, IT COULDN'T, UNLESS THERE'S A BUILDING THEY SHOW IN THE MASTER PLAN THAT IS, LOOKS LIKE IT'S STAYING AND YOU'D GO THROUGH THAT BUILDING.
I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT.
AND, AND JUST TO CALL OUT, WE DO HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION WITH CONDITION NUMBER TWO IS ESSENTIALLY SPECIFIC TO THE STREET AND THE STREET SCAPE FEATURES SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE BSD STREET.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. PIMAN? I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE, UM, UH, A EEP, UH, EASEMENT COULDN'T BE USED COUNT AS AS, UH, OPEN SPACE.
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CAN, IF IT MEETS THE CRITERIA AND THE TENT OF OPEN SPACE PER THE CODE.AND ARE WE COUNTING IT ON THIS? I'M SORRY.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN ENOUGH OF THE DETAILS TO KNOW OKAY.
THAT IT WOULD BE, I THOUGHT I READ IT CONSIDERED IN, IN THE MATERIAL THAT, OKAY.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE COUNTING IT YET OR NOT.
WE SUSPECT THAT THEY ARE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET THAT ARE REQUIRED.
AND THAT IS WHY WE'RE BEING SO CAREFUL AND PAYING SUCH ATTENTION TO THE QUALITY OF THAT OPEN SPACE AT THIS POINT.
WELL, IF IT, IF, IF IT'S AN AEP EASEMENT IN 10 YEARS, THAT COULD CHANGE.
AEP COULD PUT A TRANSFORM TRANSFORMER THERE OR WHATEVER.
THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT TO DO THAT.
AND SO THAT WON'T BE QUALITY COMMON, UH, UH, GREEN SPACE.
UM, I, I KNOW AREAS IN COLUMBUS, IF THAT HAPPENED FOR 20 YEARS WAS OPEN SPACE, ALL OF A SUDDEN BIG TRANSFORMERS WENT IN MM-HMM.
SO WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE COUNTED AS THE OPEN SPACE YET OR NOT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE HAVE NOT DECIDED THEY NEED TO PROVIDE THOSE CALCULATIONS TO, TO US.
AND THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL COVERS THOSE QUALITIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
BECAUSE AFTER ALL, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THE EASEMENT.
SO THEY CAN PUT TOWERS AND TRANSFORMERS AND THINGS ABSOLUTELY.
SO MR. BOGGS QUESTION FOR YOU HERE.
UM, A AGAIN, WE'RE AT CONCEPT PLAN, SO ALL OF THE T'S AND THE I'S DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE CROSSED AND DOTTED.
HOWEVER, FOR THE COMMISSION'S KNOWLEDGE, IF YOU HAVE PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY A PROPERTY OWNER AND YET HAS A UTILITY EASEMENT, AS IS THE CASE IN THIS A E P EASEMENT, AND TODAY IT HAS SOME NATURE CHARACTERISTIC IS SOMEWHAT OPEN, MAYBE NOT SO OPEN PARKING LOT, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND IN THE FUTURE, AEP WANTS TO DRASTICALLY CHANGE HOW THEY'RE USING THAT PARTICULAR EASEMENT.
IT'S GOING FROM A, A CORRIDOR CABLE PATH TO THEY'RE BUILDING BIG TRANSFORMERS FENCED OFF.
WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS BE FOR BOTH THE PROP PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY AS AFFECTED BY THAT? WOULD THERE BE INVOLVEMENT? HOW MUCH INVOLVEMENT WOULD THERE BE IF IT WERE DRASTICALLY TO CHANGE? SO I WILL, UM, CAVEAT THAT THE UTILITY SIGHTING IS NOT A A, AN EXPERTISE OF MINE.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT DEPENDS VERY MUCH ON WHAT THE PARTICULAR TYPE OF LINE IS.
SO IF IT'S A REGULAR DISTRIBUTION LINE, THEY CAN PUT THAT IN PRETTY MUCH AT WILL IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
IF IT IS A, UH, TRANSMISSION LINE, AND I BELIEVE IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT NOTES THAT THIS IS FOR HIGH VOLTAGE LINES.
UM, ONCE YOU GET TO THOSE LARGE TYPE OF TOWERS, THERE IS A, UH, PROCESS THAT GOES THROUGH THE OHIO POWER SIGHTING BOARD, I BELIEVE.
AND SO THAT IS A STATE BOARD, UH, NOT SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD HAVE DIRECT INVOLVEMENT IN, BUT SOMETHING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY COULD, UH, PARTICIPATE IN AS INTERVENERS.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE? UH, IT, IT DOES ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, THERE'S BEEN CONCERN FROM THE COMMISSION BROUGHT UP THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO COUNT THIS AS OPEN SPACE, WE CAN DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND HOMEWORK UPFRONT AND MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE LOOK, THE FEEL OF WHAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR AS A COMPLIMENTARY FEATURE IN THE CITY.
HOWEVER, IT'S PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING AT THAT POINT.
IT'S NOT REALLY NON-CONFORMING.
IT WAS CONFORMING AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
SO, UH, ESSENTIALLY I THINK THE, THE COMMISSION'S A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE WHAT IFS AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE FUTURE, WHAT IFS COULD BE.
AND I, I DO THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, IT'S SOMETHING CERTAINLY KEEP AN EYE ON AS IF THIS MOVES FORWARD TO A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE AND A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE, THE LEVEL OF REFINEMENT AND WHAT STRATEGIES THEY MAY BE ABLE TO EMPLOY AND COMMIT TO IN THE EVENT THAT AEP COMES IN AND SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO DO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA EXERCISE OUR EASEMENT RIGHTS TO THEIR FULLEST.
MAYBE I, I STILL DON'T, I'M SO SORRY.
MY EXPERIENCE WITH EASEMENTS IS THEY CAN BE LOVELY GREEN SPACE.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE AN EASEMENT BEHIND SOME OF MY PROPERTY.
AND THERE WAS GREEN SPACE FOR YEARS, AND THEN AEP DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT TO USE TOWERS ANYMORE.
THE TOWERS USED TO BE A HUNDRED, UH, YARDS
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APART, AND NOW THEY'RE USING POLES.SO I HAVE NOW TWO GIANT 85 FOOT POLES BEHIND MY PROPERTY.
I THOUGHT THEY COULD DO PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY WANT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME ABOUT THIS, IS THAT THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT FOR A REASON.
AND IF THEY DECIDE TO, TO, TO PUT TRANSFORMERS IN OR POLES, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO ASK YOU IF, IF THE EASEMENT SPELLS OUT THAT THEY HAVE THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY NOW.
SO THAT'S, I'M JUST, THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE USED AS COUNT AS GREEN SPACE BECAUSE ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 10.
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN SIX MONTHS, BUT MINE WAS LIKE 10 YEARS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THESE GIANT POLES SHOWED UP.
SO I HAVE NOT READ THE TEXT OF THE ACTUAL EASEMENT RIGHT ITSELF, BUT FROM THE REPORT PUT TOGETHER BY STAFF, I BELIEVE IT SAYS THAT THEY'RE HIGH VOLTAGE, OVERHEAD, UM, TRANSMISSION TYPE OF EASEMENTS DEPENDING ON THE RIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE.
IF THEY CAN PUT IN SOMETHING SMALLER, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THEY CAN DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ANY REAL OUTSIDE PROCESS.
LARGER TRANSMISSION TOWERS THOUGH, ARE UNDER POWER SIDING BOARD JURISDICTION.
SO THERE'S A STATE REGULATORY PROCESS THAT THEY COULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND THE CITY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD, YOU KNOW, WEIGH IN THERE.
I DON'T HAVE DEFINITIVE ANSWERS FOR WHAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT DO.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, PRIOR TO MAKING ANY COMMITMENT TO COUNTING IT AS OPEN SPACE OR NOT, THAT IF THIS GETS TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND THEN THE NEXT LEVEL IN TERMS OF PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT, UM, AND I BELIEVE IS THE CONDITIONS STATE THAT THEY, THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO PROVIDE THEIR STRATEGY TO MEET THE OPEN SPACE.
SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE THEN? NOT NECESSARILY, NO.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, THAT'S TAB ROB AND GROUP.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD? WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, IF YOU HAVE A CASE PRESENTATION OR A STATEMENT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS EVENING, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND DELIBERATION.
UH, KEVIN MCCAULEY, 6 89 DUBLIN CENTER.
SORRY, KEVIN MCCAULEY, 66 89 DUBLIN CENTER DRIVE.
UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, THE OWNER STAFF OFF LAND DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I THINK WE, YOU SEE, WE HAVE OUR TEAM,
BUT JUST IN CASE WE DO, WE'VE GOTS STAVRO FROM STAB, UH, AS WELL, UH, CITY BARRY FOR ENGINEER, UH, DAN PS THE ARCHITECT.
BRIAN KINSMAN, A LAND PLANNER, UM, AN AARON AND UNDERHILL.
I THINK YOU ALL GUYS KNOW HIM VERY WELL.
UM, I FIRST WANTED TO TELL SARAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I THINK THAT WAS, UH, A REALLY WELL PUT TOGETHER AND, UH, A GREAT PRESENTATION.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
UH, SO WANTED TO THANK HER FOR THE MONTHS OF WORK.
WE PROBABLY PUT IN ON THIS, TRYING TO GET US WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AS SHE SAID, WE WERE HERE IN DECEMBER WITH A PROJECT THAT DIDN'T GO SO WELL.
AND AT THAT TIME, UH, WE LISTENED, UH, TO THOSE COMMENTS, UM, AND CONCERNS THAT YOU HAD.
AND OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS WORKING WITH STAFF, WE TRIED TO TAKE INTO THOSE AND ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AND COMMENTS AND LET THOSE AS ALONG WITH GUIDE, UH, ALONG WITH CODE GUIDE THE PRINCIPLES FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO WHEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK, HOW DID WE GET HERE? THE, THE BLOCKS AND LENGTHS AND ALL OF THOSE, THAT THAT SET SET EVERYTHING IN PLACE, WE MET THE CODE AND EVERY WAY POSSIBLE THAT WE FELT WE COULD MEET.
SO I THINK WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS, YOU'LL SEE THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
WE LISTENED TO ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND, AND CONCERNS AND, AND ADDRESSED THOSE AS BEST THAT ANYBO I THINK ANYBODY COULD.
UM, THE ONLY COMMENT I MAKE IN WARREN IN REGARD TO THE AEP EASEMENT, UH, I DIDN'T, DIDN'T WANNA JUMP IN THERE AS AS FAR AS THAT, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A HOT TOPIC FOR YOU.
UH, WE JUST RECENTLY WORKED WITH THEM WITH AEP.
SO IF YOU RECALL, THERE USED TO BE THE BIG FOUR FOUR POLE, UH, AS I CALL 'EM, TRANSFORMER LOOKING BIG POLES ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY CAME TO US WITH THE, OUR EASEMENT THAT IS IN PLACE.
UH, AND BECAUSE THEIR TRANSMISSION LINES AS, AS MR. BOGGS POINTED OUT AND REQUESTED, THEY WANTED TO PUT IN THE SINGLE MONOPOLE LINES.
BUT TO DO SO, THE SINGLE POLE MONOPOLE LINES COULD ONLY CARRY THE LINES AT A DISTANCE OF, I'M, I'M GONNA MAKE THIS UP CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT OF SAY 400 FEET, WHERE THE BIG TOWERS USED TO DO 600 FEET.
SO IT REQUIRED AN EXTRA POLE TO BE PLACED ON OUR PROPERTY.
SO IT WAS A TAKING IN WHICH WE AGREED TO, AND THEY PAID US FOR THE, FOR THE LAND TO DO SO.
SO IT'S NOT WHERE THEY COULD JUST COME IN AND SAY, WE WANT IT RIGHT HERE.
ONE OF THE POLES THEY HAD ON THEIR ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AMC COURTYARD,
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OBVIOUSLY.WE SAID, NO, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR US.
AND THEY WORKED WITH US AND THEY SAID, HOW ABOUT WE PUT ONE HERE AND THEN HERE? AND UNFORTUNATELY, HINDSIGHT GETS YOU THE POLE THAT IS BASICALLY RIGHT AT THE END OF, UH, MCCUNE AND DICTATING KIND OF WHERE MCCUNE GOES IS THE EXTRA POLE THAT GOT PLACED.
SO HAD WE KNOWN, OH, MCCUNE'S GONNA COME THROUGH AND EXACTLY WHERE WE COULD HAVE MOVED THAT AT THAT TIME.
SO THE AP EASEMENT IS THERE AND GIVES THEM THE RIGHT TO MAINTAIN THE LINES, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS AND, AND AVAILABILITY TO THOSE LINES.
BUT IF THEY CAME THROUGH AND AS THEY SAID, TORE UP OUR AMC LOT IN, IN REHANGING, ALL THOSE LINES, THEY HAD TO REPAIR IT AND THEY'D REPLACE IT.
SO THEY, IT'S NOT JUST A FREE, FREE TAKING A AND THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THEIR E P LINES.
THIS WAS JUST HAPPENED AND IT WAS ALL RENEGOTIATED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, I'D SAY, WHEN YOU SAW ALL THOSE NEW POLLS GO UP.
SO WHETHER WE COUNTED AS GREEN SPACE OR NOT, WHAT I WANT TO ASSURE YOU OF, IT'S GONNA BE GREEN SPACE.
THAT IS, IS, UH, AS WE'VE SHOWN ON THERE, WORKING WITH STAFF.
AND IT'S GONNA BE, I WOULD SAY, HIGHLIGHT OF, OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE TWO MIRROR, YOU KNOW, GO TOGETHER AND MIRROR TOGETHER AND WORK EXTREMELY WELL.
IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE A GREEN PARK.
UM, IF WE'RE GONNA GO IN THERE AND SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, IF NOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON A PARK AND LET A AND P JUST COME BY AND TEAR IT OUT, WE'LL, KIND OF BUSINESS PEOPLE WOULD WE BE, SO JUST LIKE AT YOUR HOUSE, YOU DIDN'T GO PUT YOUR HOUSE ON THE LOT BEHIND YOU WHERE THE AP EASEMENT WAS, IF THEY COULD TEAR IT OUT WITHOUT COMPENSATION.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THOSE RIGHTS, WE UNDERSTAND OUR RIGHTS, WHAT WE HAVE WITH AP, AND WE BELIEVE WE CAN USE IT, UM, IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE SHOWN.
AND IT WILL BE COUNTED AS GREEN SPACE, AS PARTIAL GREEN SPACE AT LEAST.
UM, WE ALSO PLAN TO MEET THE GREEN SPACE IN EVERY WAY THAT WE CAN.
UH, IT'S, UH, UH, ROUGHLY RAN, RUN OUT ON THIS PLAN.
WE HAVE 1.3 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE.
WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE LIKE 1.2.
SOME OF IT MAY NOT MEET, SOME OF IT MAY BE ADJUSTED, AND WE MAY NEED TO PLAY WITH THAT.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THAT IN EVERY REGARD POSSIBLE.
SO I KNOW THAT WAS A BIG TOPIC FOR YOU.
UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE FOR MORE QUESTIONS.
UH, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BOARD IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US.
UH, IF YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER, UM, MR WAY ANY SPECIFIC QUESTION YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, I CAN DO SO OR, UH, SEE WHICH ONE OF US WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT REALLY WILLING TO THANK EVERYBODY AND, UM, SEE WHAT QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR US.
SO ONE, UH, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS FRAMEWORK PLAN TOGETHER.
I WON'T CALL IT A MASTER PLAN BECAUSE IT'S A FRAMEWORK PLAN, RIGHT.
BUT IT WAS VERY TELLING TO ME WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS DONE, HOW, WHERE THIS WAS DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT, BUT I, I COULD SEE SOMETHING EVOLVING WITH THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT STREET HAS A NAME, BUT IT COMES UP FROM, FROM LOWE'S, RIGHT? IT'S THAT CURB CUT AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE YET STREET.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU LOCATED IT THERE BECAUSE THERE WAS AN EXISTING BUSINESS THAT YOU WANTED TO SAVE.
UM, AND, AND IT JUST GOES NORTH ALL THE WAY UP.
AND THAT, THAT'S SET UP THE, THE GREEN SPACE ACTUALLY WITH, UH, PHASE TWO OR THE SECOND BUILDING, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING.
UM, AND I COULD SEE THAT TO MS. HOLT'S POINT ABOUT A NORTH SOUTH GREENWAY, I COULD SEE THAT GREENWAY ACTUALLY BEING, UH, RELATED TO STREET B AND COMING ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE, THE DEVELOPMENT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, A SERIES OF OPEN SPACES OR WHATEVER THAT ARE ALL LINKED TOGETHER.
AND I, I JUST CURIOUS, YOU, YOU VEERED AWAY FROM THAT IDEA IN THIS PROPOSAL, I THOUGHT THE, THE, THE OVERALL FRAMEWORK PLAN WAS HEADED IN A, IN A GOOD DIRECTION.
SO I JUST COMMENTS ABOUT HOW WE ENDED UP HERE.
UM, IF SPECIFICALLY ON THE, UM, MASTER PLAN IF WE WANT, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY BRING, UH, BRIAN KINSMAN UP AND LET HIM GO TALK A LITTLE BIT THROUGH HOW WE'VE DONE THAT.
UH, THE FIRST THING, LIKE SAY THOUGH IS TOWARDS THAT IS WE WERE HESITANT TO GIVE THAT MASTER PLAN TO, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PROBABLY GOING THROUGH THE SECOND, IF NOT THIRD ITERATIONS, YOU KNOW, JUST AS WE, THEY ARE, UM, IT WAS ONE THAT WE HAD, IT'S ONE THAT WE SHARED, UH, WITH STAFF, AND IT WAS ONE THAT WAS ENCOURAGED TO SAY, LET US USE IT FOR A VISION, UH, TO DICTATE WHERE THINGS MIGHT GO.
UM, AND BRIAN AND HIS TEAM ARE WORKING ON THOSE CHANGES TO WHERE ROADS ARE, WHERE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE, HOW THEY MAY FALL OUT.
SO SPECIFICALLY ON THIS SITE AND HOW WE LOOKED AT IT, IT, IT DID WORK WITH BLOCKS AND LENGTHS AND WHERE THOSE COME OUT AND WHERE THEY MAY INTERSECT.
SO STREET B TODAY, IF YOU FOLLOW THAT THROUGH AS YOU SEE, UH, IT DOES AVOID A BUILDING THAT IS THERE, UH, TODAY THAT WILL BE THERE FOR SOME TIME, WHETHER THAT GETS RENOVATED FURTHER, BUT IT'S BEEN RENOVATED QUITE, QUITE A BIT NOW.
UM, AND THERE'S A FABULOUS TENANT COMING IN THAT BUILDING THAT WE'LL, WE'LL, YOU'LL, I'M SURE YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT AS SOON AS WE'RE ALLOWED TO SAY SO.
UM, AND SO THAT BUILDING'S GOING TO BE THERE AND SO WE NEED TO WORK WITHIN THAT.
AND THOSE ROADS ARE THEN WORKED WITHIN IN THAT HIERARCHY OF SAYING, JUST AS SHE SAID, THERE CAN ONLY BE SO FAR APART.
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BE TOO FAR APART.THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF MATH AND A LITTLE BIT OF PUSH AND SHOVE BACK AND FORTH TO THAT, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY'VE LAID OUT WITH THIS PROJECT, GETTING OUR BOX AS SMALL AS I WOULD SAY, AS YOU SAID, THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW SHE'S SAYING IS 402 FEET AND NEEDS TO BE 400 FEET.
SO IF I MOVE THAT BLOCK, BE ANY FURTHER, UH, UH, EAST, IT'S GONNA MAKE IT BIGGER OR I'M GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF OPEN SPACE OR, OR YOU HAVE OPEN SPACE, RIGHT.
EVEN MORE IN EXCESS OF WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO SOME OF THE THOUGHTS ARE WHAT WE HAVE IN THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE OPEN SPACE THAT'S NOT ENCUMBERED BY THE AP.
BUT THEN WE WOULD HAVE EXCESS AS WELL.
I MEAN, THE AAP RIGHT AWAY OPEN SPACE IS THERE BECAUSE YOU NEED TO KEEP RESERVED AS OPEN SPACE, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, AND I'M SAYING THAT, UM, I LIKED WHERE THE MASTER PLAN WAS GOING IN IN TERMS OF ESTABLISHING THE OPEN SPACE WITH STREET B AND IT ALSO RELATES TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OF THAT MM-HMM.
AND THEN THAT, THAT'S KIND OF A CENTERING PIECE TO THE WHOLE, YOUR WHOLE SITE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO IT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOMETHING NORTH SOUTH THAT I THINK COULD, COULD BE EX UM, INTERESTING.
AND MS. HOLT, CAN YOU PULL UP THE RETREAT DIAGRAM THAT WITH THE OVAL THINGY? JIGY
UM, WHAT, WHICH ONE MR. WAY, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT OPEN BASE LINKAGES THROUGH THIS AREA AND KEYNOTES AND ALL THAT STUFF, THE SHOPPING CENTER CORRIDOR, MAYBE PINK MAP, HE'S LOOKING FOR THAT ONE.
SO, SO THE GREEN, THE GREEN, UH, NORTH SP NORTH SOUTH OPEN SPACE CORRIDOR THAT'S ON THE, THE WEST SIDE HERE.
IF YOU EXTENDED THAT UP, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS WAS TO CREATE KIND OF A CENTRAL FOCUS TO THAT, TO OPEN SPACE CONNECTIONS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXTEND TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT IF YOU DID THINK ABOUT EXTENDING THAT OPEN SPACE STRATEGY UP WITH, UH, STREET B, THEN IT'S PART OF THIS OVERALL STRATEGY FOR THIS AREA.
I JUST, AND, AND I KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY NORTH SOUTH, BUT I THINK THERE WAS AN INTENT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CONNECTS THROUGH THERE.
SO, UM, THE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT, UM, IN YOUR DEMOLITION PLAN, YOU SHOW A WHOLE SECTION OF BUILDING, UH, TAKEN OUT BETWEEN BIG SANDY RIGHT? AND, AND THE OTHER, THIS OTHER BUILDING THAT YOU'RE SAVING.
SO I, SO THERE'S, I I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA PHASE OUT, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT WIGGLE ROOM IN THERE TO MOVE STREET B OVER MM-HMM.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AS A QUESTION ABOUT WHY YOU DID THAT.
UM, I, I KNOW THE MA THE FRAMEWORK PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, IS A, IS PROBABLY GONNA EVOLVE OVER TIME, BUT RIGHT.
I, I DO THINK, I MEAN, OUR JOB IS TO, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY SEE YOU MORE OFTEN RIGHT? AS THIS EVOLVES.
AND SO HOPEFULLY, SO THIS IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M, I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN, IS NOT OPEN SPACE ON A BLOCK BY BLOCK BASIS NECESSARILY, BUT HOW DOES, HOW DO EACH OF THOSE OPEN SPACES RELATE TO OTHER FUTURE OPEN SPACES AND ACTUALLY CREATE SOMETHING BIGGER FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT? AND, AND I JUST CAN SEE THE, THE STREET B OPEN SPACE THAT YOU SH YOU SHOW IN THE, IN THE FRAMEWORK PLAN OR THE MASTER PLAN, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE START OF SOMETHING.
WHEREAS I DON'T SEE THE AEP AS, AS NECESSARILY A START TO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS GONNA HAVE TO BE PRESERVED AS A RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO DEVELOP ON IT, BUT IT MAY NOT CONTRIBUTE IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU, THAT SOMETHING THAT'S MORE CENTRAL WOULD BE.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A QUESTION.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. FISHMAN, I'M NOT GONNA DWELL ON THE, I'M SORRY.
UM, UH, GREEN SPACE, BUT I, I'M REALLY AGAINST USING THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A BUILDING ON THERE THAT YOU HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH TO TEAR DOWN.
BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT IF THEY WANNA PUT POLES OR TRANSFORMERS THERE, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THE, THE, THE SPACE.
WHAT? YOU HAD THE EASEMENT, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, FOR A FACT, I KNOW IT'S TO WARRANT HOT.
I WOKE UP ONE DAY AND I THAT SOMETHING NOT GONNA ARGUE ABOUT HIM WITH, ON, HE NEEDS TO STAY IN HIS LANE.
AND THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, BY THE WAY.
SO THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.
THERE WAS NO POLES THERE, THERE WERE TOWERS, EVERY HUNDRED YARDS, AND THEY DECIDED TO PUT POLES IN.
THE RENT RENTER CALLS ME GO, IT SAYS THEY'RE PUTTING THIS GIANT POLE BEHIND MY PATIO, SO, UM, I, I DON'T, AN EASEMENT MEANS THEY CAN, THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND.
SO ANYWAY, I, I HOPE YOU HEAR ME ON THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS, I WAS GONNA MENTION WHAT MY COLLEAGUE DID ABOUT CONTINUOUS GREEN SPACE.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT FLOW EBBS AND FLOWS, SO TO SPEAK.
IT'S, IT'S U IT'S NOT LITTLE BLOCKS.
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IN THE, IN RIGHT.AND FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT AS EACH PHASE WOULD MAYBE MOVE FORWARD.
SO YEAH, THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN AND MY OTHER CONCERN, UM, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? WE'LL MOVE ON TO DELIBERATION.
QUESTION IS THAT, THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING ON THE STREET IS USING PART OF THE PARKING THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK IN, IN BRIDGE PARK? UM, UH MM-HMM.
THERE, THERE, UH, DURING THE, AND IT'S MORE CRAZY.
IT, IT EXCEEDED OUR WILDEST DREAMS AS FAR AS SUCCESS, BUT THERE, IT'S STILL TOUGH TO PARK ON THE STREET.
AND SO, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PARKING, UH, UH, REQUIREMENT MET WITH OFFS STREET PARKING.
SO, SO, AND THEY, UM, JUST SO WE KNOW THAT I THINK WE USED, UM, 24 SPACES ON THE PARKING, ON THE, ON STREET PARKING ONLY ON THE ONE SIDE OF MCCUNE.
WE DIDN'T COUNT THE, UH, PARKING SPACES ON THE, UH, SOUTH SIDE OF MCCUNE.
SO WE ONLY COUNTED ON OUR PARKING PLAN, UH, THOSE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO WE IN ESSENCE, DOUBLE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE, WE HAVE 54, I BELIEVE, ON THE, ON MCCUNE, BUT WE ONLY COUNTED TOWARDS OUR PARKING COUNT TO MEET THAT, THE 23, 23 OR 24, UM, TO TRY TO GET SOME EXCESS, UH, TO, TO KNOW THAT WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THIS DEVELOPS OUT FURTHER, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE STREETS, UH, A AND B ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHETHER THOSE WILL HAVE ON-STREET PARKING AS WELL OR NOT.
WE HAVEN'T COUNTED ANY ON-STREET PARKING FOR THOSE.
SO WE, WE FEEL WE'RE, UH, MEETING IN AND ABOVE WHAT CODE REQUIRES ALREADY FOR THE SAME THING.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO PARK OUR RESIDENCE AND, UM, AND, AND PEOPLE COMING TO VISIT THEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE, OR, OR IT'LL BE DIFFICULT AS YOU KNOW, AND AS PARKING BECOMES A PROBLEM, IT'S NOT AS SUCCESSFUL AS IT COULD BE.
SO WE'RE AWARE OF THAT, AND I THINK WE'RE, UH, AHEAD OF THE GAME ON THAT ONE.
SO THIS ISN'T WRITTEN STONE THEN.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE GONNA FIND OTHER PARKING.
SAY THAT AGAIN? THIS ISN'T CARVED IN STONE.
YOU'RE GONNA FIND OTHER PARKING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M SAYING WE, WE, WE ACCOUNTED FOR 24 SPACES ON MCCUNE INTO OUR PARKING ANALYSIS TO MEET THE CODE.
AND WE'VE PROVIDED 54 SPACES ALONG MCCUNE.
SO WE'VE ONLY USED HALF OF WHAT IS PROVIDED TO MEET THE CODE.
I KNOW, I GUESS I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION.
THE CODE, YOU'RE MEETING THE CODE WITH THE STREET, BUT THERE'S, UH, REALISTICALLY, THERE'S USUALLY TWO CARS PER UNIT, PER APARTMENT BUILDING.
TWO PEOPLE, TWO ADULTS LIVE IN THERE AND THEY'VE GOT TWO CARS.
SO, UH, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE MORE CARS THAN THE CODE, UH, UH, REQUIRES, BUT WE IT MEETS THE CODE.
REALISTICALLY, IF YOU GOT TWO CARS PER UNIT MM-HMM.
YOU NEED MORE PARKING, I THINK IT'S ALSO WHAT THIS BUILDING WOULD BE MARKETED TO.
IT WOULD I ALSO JUST, UH, DICTATE MAYBE THAT QUESTION, UH, MANY, IF YOU LOOK IN THE, THE NUMBERS, MANY OF THESE UNITS ARE SMALLER, ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU'LL HAVE 11, TWO PEOPLE AND, AND TWO CARS, UH, IN THOSE TYPES OF UNITS.
BUT ON, I THINK WHEN YOUR OWN PARKING ANALYSIS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU RUN IT REALISTICALLY OR NOT, YOU FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF APARTMENTS YOU HAVE.
WE DON'T HAVE MANY TWO BEDROOMS. WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANY THREE BEDROOMS IN THIS, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AS MANY CARS AS YOU WOULD ASSOCIATED WITH THE UNDERGROUND PARKING IS GONNA PROVIDE FOR, UM, THE ABUNDANCE OF THE PARKING.
UH, AND, AND WHEN WE THINK THAT, THAT'S WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE MOST OF IT.
UM, AND I THINK YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, MEETING OR EXCEEDING CODE A LITTLE BIT, WHERE'S, WHERE'S THE LINE TO SAY YOU NEED TO EXCEED IT A LOT.
BUT AGAIN, IF WE'RE UNDER PARK, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S GONNA FALL BACK ON US AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO RENT OUR OWN APARTMENT PROJECTS.
SO ABSOLUTELY WE'RE LOOKING FOR, TO MAKE THAT NUMBER WORK, UH, GIVEN ITS CONCEPT.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE FONT, YOU KNOW, WE GAVE YOU NUMBERS FOR SAYING A LOT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY UNITS WILL BE HERE AND WHAT THOSE UNITS WILL BE COMPRISED OF.
BUT UNTIL WE GET FURTHER DOWN THE PATH HERE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY UNITS THERE ARE, HOW MANY ONE OR TWOS THERE ARE, AND THEN HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WE'LL NEED IN THAT.
SO WE NEED TO GET A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE PA THE PATH TO, TO, TO REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION FAIRLY.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE MEETING CODE AND, AND GETTING THERE AND, AND WE UNDER I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
LOOKING FOR OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MS. HARDER, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE VISUAL.
SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S FOUR AND A HALF STORIES AND THEN THE GRADING, AND THEN, UM, PHASE TWO HAS, UH, FOUR STORIES.
SO VISUALLY, IF I'M LOOKING AT IT, ANY WHICH DIRECTION I'M GOING TO SEE THEM, UM, AS, AS EVEN LOOKING FROM, UH, UH, EAST TO WEST? YES.
IT'LL, BECAUSE OF THE GRADE FALLS DOWN, YOU'LL SEE IT.
IF YOU LOOK THERE, IT KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS.
I THINK IT'S 55 TO 48 AND A HALF.
SO YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF VARIATION BETWEEN THE HIGHEST POINT AND THE LOWEST POINT ON ONE BUILDING, UM, OF FIVE FEET.
SO VISUALLY, I THINK IF YOU'RE STANDING BACK, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PICK THAT
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UP TOO GREAT ON, ON THESE BUILDINGS.SO IS IS BECAUSE THAT TO ME IS A VISUAL LOOK, I THINK CORRECT.
THAT YOU KIND OF WANNA, UM, KEEP MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, I WANNA HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS AS A STATEMENT AND THEN ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFICATION ON THIS.
SO THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS APPLICATION, IF MY NOTES AND MY HOMEWORK HERE ARE CORRECT, LAST TIME WE SAW THIS APPLICATION WERE A SIMILAR APPLICATION IN THIS SAME GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
UH, WE HAD 3.85 ACRES WITH 278 UNITS.
A SEVEN STORY BUILDING, UH, ROUGH MATH, 72 UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME, YOU HEARD FROM, AND PLEASE THOSE WHO ARE PRESENT, CORRECT ME OR OR CLARIFY, UM, THE MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT PRESENT, YOU HEARD FROM MR. CHINOOK, WHO COMPLIMENTED THE ARCHITECTURE, HAD A CONCERN FOR THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT.
YOU HEARD FROM MR. SCHIER WHO HAD A CONCERN WITH THE GREEN SPACE EASEMENT AND ONE OF THE COMMISSION TO, UH, CONSIDER THAT.
AND A CONCERN WITH THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THE MID-BLOCK PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
YOU HEARD FROM MR. FISHMAN WHO, UH, QUOTED THAT THE, THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING WAS TOO MUCH, IT WAS TOO INTENSE, AND HE DIDN'T SEE IT IN MEETING THE SAME CHARACTER WITH ADJACENT PROPERTY, UH, AND THAT IT NEEDED TO MEET THE CODE IN THE AREA.
YOU HEARD FROM MS. HARDER WHO HAD MANY QUESTIONS ON THE APPLICATION, BUT WAS ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE PRO HOST HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
YOU HEARD FROM MR WAY ABOUT THE STREET NET NETWORK NOT REALLY WORKING IN THIS AREA ALONG WITH A CONCERN OF MASSING.
AND YOU HEARD FROM MYSELF ALSO CONCERNS WITH THAT PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, UH, COMMENTING ABOUT HOW WE HAVE THE VISION GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND COMPLIMENTING THE ARCHITECTURE ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE MASSING.
ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS EITHER FROM STAFF OR THE APPLICANT THAT WERE INCORPORATED INTO THIS NEW SIX ACRE FOUR STORY, FOUR AND A HALF STORY, 47 AND A THIRD UNIT PER ACRE PROPOSAL? WERE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU CONSIDERED BEFORE COMING BACK? UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE I
SO LOOKING BACK AT THE GROUP, UM, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE DID.
WE, WE REALLY, LIKE I SAID, STARTED WITH THE STREET NETWORK.
THAT, THAT CLEARLY WAS A, A, A A PROBLEM.
MCCUNE, WE HAD TO HAVE MCCUNE THAT THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A MUST.
UH, WE HAD TO BREAK THE MASSING DOWN, WE HAD TO BRING THE SCALE DOWN.
WE HAD TO, HAD TO BRING THIS BUILDING HIKE DOWN.
SO IT, I THINK WE DID ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
LIKE YOU SAID, WENT FROM, UH, SOME 70 UNITS TO HA CUT IT DOWN TO 47 UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, THE ARCHITECTURE AS HE SAID, IS THERE, UH, THE BUILDING BY BREAKING THEM DOWN THE PEDESTRIAN WAYS AND THE CONNECTIVITY ARE THERE.
UH, IF, IF THE ONLY ONE, WHICH FORGIVE ME, I D I DON'T KNOW THAT I RECALL.
UM, I KNOW WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT A, THE, THE A M C EASEMENT, BUT NOT SO MUCH THE AEP EASEMENT.
UM, WITH, WITH LANCE WHEN HE WAS HERE, THAT WAS A BIG DEBATE.
SO THE, UM, THE, THE AMC EASEMENT WAS ONE, BUT AEP EASEMENT WAS IN NOT HAVING THE GREEN SPACE.
IF WE'RE DOING THAT NOW, IT'S, I DON'T RECALL THAT BEING A NIGHT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WASN'T AT ALL, BUT THAT WAS JUST, UH, UH, IN OUR DESIGN AND OUR INTENT TO DO THAT.
THAT'S HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ONE.
SO, UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK WE, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE TRIED TO LOOK AT CODE VERY STRICTLY CODE, UH, LAST TIME WE WERE OUTSIDE OF THE BALANCE ON CODE ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES.
UM, I THINK THE BRIDGE STREET CODE IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET A HUNDRED PERCENT IF ANYBODY WOULD TRY.
BUT I THINK WE ARE AS CLOSE AS ANYONE POSSIBLY CAN BE AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN DID YOU ENTERTAIN A MIXED USE PRODUCT INSTEAD OF JUST AN ALL RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT? NOT IN THIS AREA, NO.
I MEAN, WE DID, WE, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UH, CONVERSATIONS AND GOING BACK AND FORTH IN THE, IN THE OFFICE AND WITH OUR PLANNERS AND, AND, UH, ARCHITECTS.
BUT, UM, I THINK MAY, BRIAN MAY BE BEST TO SPEAK ON THAT IF YOU WANT TO HIM, TO HIM TO ADDRESS THAT MORE.
BUT IN THIS AREA, UM, IT, IT FELT MORE LIKE JUST THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND WHERE WE COULD HAVE THAT COME THROUGH FOR THE REST OF THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT MAY TAKE OVER AND HAVE A LOT OF THAT MIXED USE PRODUCT.
I THINK IT'S THE CONCERN OF THE SUCCESS.
UH, I THINK RANDY ROTH EVEN WAS HERE LAST TIME AS A, AS, AS OPPOSING OUR PROJECT, BUT IT EVEN WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE MIXED USE UNTIL WE CONNECT TO SAWMILL ROAD WITH JOHN SHIELDS PARKWAY AND HAVE VILLAGE PARKWAY.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA BE WHERE WE ARE STARTING ON STEP ONE OF A SEVEN STAGE PROJECT, LET'S SAY, UH, AND IT COULD BE A 20 STAGE PROJECT, DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW MANY PIECES
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WILL COME IN THIS.UM, IT DID NOT SEEM TO MAKE SENSE IN THIS AREA, IN THIS LOCATION THAT MIXED USE WOULD BE A SUCCESS.
UH, IT, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UM, NOW WHAT'S GONNA BE THE TOWN, THE TOWNSEND PARKWAY AND MORE LIVING, UH, IT BACKS UP TO REALLY THE, THE, THE OLDER STUFF ACROSS THE WAY, WHICH IS REALLY JUST, UM, THE OLDER, UM, WHAT, UH, BUILDER, YOU KNOW, HOTELS THAT ARE THERE, AND THEN THE REST OF THE, YOU KNOW, DUBON VILLAGE CENTER THAT MAY CREATE THROUGHOUT.
AND I SEE BRIAN ITCHING TO STEP UP TO CORRECT ME ON ALL OF THAT.
SO IF I WILL, I'LL LET HIM ANSWER THAT FOR A MOMENT.
BRIAN KINSMAN, SENIOR PRINCIPAL WITH, UH, MKS.
UH, YOU ALL RAISED GREAT, GREAT POINTS.
UM, WE'RE AT A COLLISION POINT BETWEEN A PRELIMINARY AND A CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND ALSO WE'RE AT VERY PRELIMINARY STAGES OF THE MASTER PLAN.
SO THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU, THE FRAMEWORK PLAN, IS, UM, PROBABLY ITERATION THREE.
I THINK I'M ON ITERATION SIX ALREADY, AND, AND WE'RE NOT DONE.
SO, UH, THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET FOR INFORMATION.
ONLY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN A MULTI-STEP, MULTI-YEAR MIXED USE, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON WHAT IS NOW A RETAIL CENTER SITE.
UH, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, MY CLIENTS HAVE GOT CONTROL OF A LARGE PIECE OF SIGNIFICANT REAL ESTATE.
IT IS LITERALLY THE FRONT DOOR TO THE, THE EAST FRONT DOOR TO THE CITY OF DUBLIN, NOT INSIGNIFICANT.
UH, YOU'LL SEE IN THAT FRAMEWORK PLAN THAT THE BIG MUSCLE MOVE IS THAT EXTENSION OF JOHN SHIELDS DRIVE OUT TO SAWMILL ROAD.
AND WE'VE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SNUFFER SAWMILL INTERSECTION FOR, UH, 30 YEARS, I GOTTA BELIEVE.
SO, UH, AND THANKS TO STAFF, JUST RECENTLY, THEY PROVIDED US WITH A, UH, I, I'LL CALL IT A, A PREFERRED, UH, ALIGNMENT, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SEE TODAY, BUT STILL CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S WORKABLE FOR US.
WE NEED TO GET FROM VILLAGE PARKWAY TO SOFFER AND, AND, UH, AND SAWMILL AND DO IT IN EFFICIENT FASHION.
SO, UH, TAKE THAT FRAMEWORK PLAN WITH A, A GRAIN OF SALT.
AND KIM, UH, COMMISSIONER WAY YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, DOING THE SAME THING I DO FOR A LIVING.
UM, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT WE DID NOT CONSIDER, UH, A VERTICAL MIX OF USE IN THIS BUILDING.
IT IS STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE OF WHERE IT SITS WITHIN THIS PLANNED, UH, COMMUNITY.
UH, WE, WE NEED HOUSING OF ALL ILK AND TYPE, UH, IN CENTRAL OHIO.
CERTAINLY IN THE CITY OF DUBLIN.
UH, WE'VE GOT SUFFICIENT IN ONE MAN'S OPINION OF UTILITY AND, UH, TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS, UH, UH, UH, A DENSER DEVELOPMENT.
CERTAINLY NOTHING OF THE DENSITY OF BRIDGE PARK, BUT, UH, SOMETHING OF A MIX OF USE AND MORE DENSE THAN WHAT YOU SEE THERE TODAY.
SO WE BEGUN OUR, UH, FRAMEWORK STUDY, OUR MASTER PLANNING STUDY WITH NOT JUST THE STREET GRID, BUT THE OPEN SPACE GRID.
UH, COMMISSIONER FISHMAN, YOU MAKE GREAT POINTS ABOUT INTERCONNECTEDNESS AND, AND KIM AS WELL, OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT SUFFICIENT GREEN SPACE THAT'S DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S INTERCONNECTED, AND WE'VE GOT WALKING CAPABILITIES AND BIKING CAPABILITIES THROUGHOUT.
UH, THIS WILL BE A, A VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL MIX OF USES, RETAIL, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, LARGER COMMERCIAL, UH, MAYBE OFFICE SOUNDS CRAZY IN 2023.
BUT, UH, OFFICE WILL BE BACK, UM, IN SUFFICIENT PARKING STRUCTURED AND SURFACE TO GIVE US WHAT IS A TRULY WALKABLE, UH, CHARACTER DRIVEN STREETS, NOT JUST ANOTHER SUBURBAN, UH, DEVELOPMENT, BUT SIGNIFICANT GREEN SPACE ALONG THESE ROADWAY CORRIDORS.
UM, A SO IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE, A PLACE TO LIVE AND TO WORK AND TO SHOP AND TO, TO RECREATE.
SO, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S MY, MY, MY SH HOPEFULLY SHORT SPIEL ON WHERE THE FRAMEWORK PLAN IS AND WHERE IT IS GOING AS A MASTER PLAN, YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT, UH, TRYING TO ADJUDICATE AND DECIDE UPON, UH, GIVING MY CLIENTS APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEP FOR THIS TWO BUILDING ARRANGEMENT.
I'M HOPING THAT BY THE TIME WE'RE BACK HERE, WE'LL HAVE MORE DEFINITION TO THE MASTER PLAN.
AND I THINK THE LARGER FIT OF THIS PHASE ONE INTO THE MULTI PHASES OF THE MASTER PLAN WILL BE CLEARER AT THAT POINT.
BUT WE'RE AT THIS POINT NEEDING TO UNDERSTAND FROM YOU THAT, HEY, WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
OF COURSE, WE GOT A LOT OF DETAILS TO WORK OUT.
OF COURSE, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF TO, TO, UH, TO WORK THROUGH, BUT WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, RUNNING IN PLACE
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AND WE'RE MOVING THE, IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS TO THE EXTENT THAT I CAN PROVIDE ANSWERS.
UH, SO I'LL TAKE ONE AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION ON THE VERY, VERY PRELIMINARY MASTER FRAMEWORK.
IS THERE A COLOR CODING TO THE BUILDING TYPES? NO, JUST MASSES.
SO THEY DO APPEAR, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, YEAH.
I THEY APPEAR IN DIFFERENT COLORS.
YEAH, I, I HAVE IN, IN THE REAMS OF, OF SUPPORT, UH, PAPERWORK THAT, THAT, UM, UH, IS, IS IN THE BACKGROUND OF THAT.
UM, AG AGAIN, STARTING WITH THAT FRAMEWORK OF ROADWAY AND, AND, UM, UH, GREEN SPACE.
MY NEXT MOVE IS ALWAYS TO LOOK AT THE GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATION, WHAT'S ON THE GROUND FLOOR, COULD BE RESIDENTIAL, BUT SHOULD BE STOOPS AND DOORS AND WINDOWS AND NOT BLANK FACES OF BUILDINGS.
UM, HOW CAN WE WORK IN, UM, AGAIN, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, RETAIL, UH, LIFESTYLE ACTIVITIES ON THAT GROUND FLOOR TO PROVIDE SOME, UH, ATTRACTION FOR, FOR PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT? SO WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW ARE, ARE, ARE BUILDING MASSES WITH NO HEIGHTS TO THEM, NO FIRST FLOOR DESIGNATION, NO VERTICAL CIRCULATION.
UM, I HATE TO SAY IT, IT'S IN HERE.
AND YOU'RE SEEING THIS PLAN WITH ME KICKING AND SCREAMING BECAUSE IT IS VERY PRELIMINARY AND I HATE TRYING TO DESCRIBE SOMETHING THAT, UM, ONLY I UNDERSTAND AT THIS POINT.
BUT YOU'RE IN A TOUGH, YOU'RE IN A TOUGH PICKLE.
YOU'RE TRYING TO ADJUDICATE A PHASE ONE OF WHAT IS A MULTI-PHASE PROJECT.
LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS STILL AT THIS POINT.
I ANOTHER CLARIFICATION, I, I THOUGHT THIS AREA WAS LIMITED TO 40 UNITS PER ACRE, IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT? NOT THERE'S NO DENSITY REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT.
IT IS SOLELY BASED ON HOW YOUR SITE IS DEVELOPED AND ALL THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.
UH, AT THIS TIME WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO PUBLIC COMMENT TO ANY THO ANY OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
THE MICROPHONE IS CURRENTLY ON, BUT DOES NOT ALWAYS STAY ON.
SO I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF IT GOES OFF.
I HAVEN'T DONE THIS BEFORE, SO YOU HEAR ME.
I'M AT 43 97 ZACHARY COURT IN DUBLIN.
UM, I THINK THIS IS GONNA GO TO MR. BOGUS.
UM, I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A LEGAL BACKGROUND, AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, STAVRO TO PUT ANYTHING IN THEIR RENTAL AGREEMENTS TO LET THEIR RENTERS KNOW ABOUT THE, UM, IS EASEMENT ISSUE.
IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT TO PUT ANYTHING IN THERE? SO THE, THERE, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY TYPE OF REQUIREMENT TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT THE STAFF ROTH COMPANY AS LANDLORD WOULD HAVE TO PUT ANYTHING IN THEIR TENANT, UH, LEASES I DO WANT TO ADDRESS AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TIME OUTTA PUBLIC COMMENT, SO MAYBE WE CAN TURN BACK TO, UM, THAT AND THEN BEFORE GOING DELIBERATION, IF I COULD JUST SAY A COUPLE WORDS ABOUT THE EASEMENT ISSUE, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
YEAH, I'LL TURN THE TIME BACK OVER TO YOU.
THANK YOU, MS. SULLIVAN, BACK TO YOU.
WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S IT.
ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT.
HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY DURING THE LIVE STREAM? MR. BOBS? I'LL TURN THE TIME BACK OVER TO YOU.
SO WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AEP EASEMENT, UM, OBVIOUSLY AS A MATTER OF INTEREST TO THE COMMISSION, AND AS NOTED BEFORE, IT IS NOT A DOCUMENT THAT I HAVE READ.
SO, UM, WHILE IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE YOUR CIRCUMSTANCE, UH, MR. FISHMAN OF THE UTILITY COMPANY HAVING CARTE BLANCHE TO PUT POLES IN AN EASEMENT, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL BACKYARD, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THIS EASEMENT AFFORDS A E P, THOSE PRECISE SAME RIGHTS AS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, ANY EXTRA COMPENSATION THAT HAS TO BE PAID, ANY OTHER, UH, UH, ACCOMMODATION THAT HAS TO BE MADE TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER.
SO BECAUSE WE ARE AT THE CONCEPT PLAN STAGE, AND REALLY THE QUESTION OVER THE IMPACT OF
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THE EASEMENT, UH, GOES MORE TO WHETHER THE SITE MEETS THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, THAT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION WE NEED TO ANSWER RIGHT NOW WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR FINAL.IN THE MEANTIME, I'M SURE MR. UNDERHILL, UH, COULD PROVIDE ME A COPY OF THAT EASEMENT.
YOU KNOW, HE, HE, I'M SURE KNOWS IT BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS.
WE WILL COME TO, UM, A COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT MEANS AND SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMISSION SO THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE ACCURATE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
UM, I I DO THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE AT THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE AT THAT POINT WE ARE DECIDING WHERE THE FOUNDATIONS OF BUILDINGS ARE GOING, AND THAT BECOMES VASTLY HARDER TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR OPEN SPACE SHOULD ACCOMMODATIONS NEED TO BE MET ONCE THOSE FOOTPRINTS ARE DETERMINED.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO ANYONE ELSE? DIANE, I DO SEE YOU BACK THERE.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING THAT.
WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, I DO WANT TO DO THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
IF I COULD HAVE YOU PUT THE CONDITIONS UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT ALSO HAVE THE COMMISSION REFERENCE THE INFORMAL REVIEW CRITERIA, I FORGET WHAT WE CALL THEM EXACTLY.
UH, THE, THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE HERE IS MOST OF THE CONDITIONS ARE IN ANTICIPATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THEY'RE ALL STREET NETWORKS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE DUPLO BLOCK TYPE CONDITIONS.
WHEREAS FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN THIS EVENING, WE ARE TALKING VISION, WE'RE TALKING BROAD STROKES, WE'RE TALKING CRAY LOT ON PAPER.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE COMMISSION IS NOT FOCUSED ON THE DUPLO BLOCK BLOCKS, BUT RATHER FOCUSED ON THOSE CRAYONS ON PAPER AT THIS POINT.
SO LOOKING AT THOSE CRITERIA, UM, WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM IN TURN.
SO IF WE COULD GO TO CRITERIA RATHER THAN CONDITIONS.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, I HAVE CONDITIONS, I'M SORRY, I HAVE CRITERIA UP.
WE HAVE INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES HERE, UH, THAT DOVETAIL VERY NICELY TOGETHER.
SO GOING IN TURN AND KIND OF MARRYING THEM UP.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS CONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE POLICY, GUIDANCE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE BSD SPECIAL AREA PLAN, AND OTHER APPLICABLE CITY PLANS AND POLICIES.
I SEE THAT KIND OF AS THE FIRST TWO THINK COMPREHENSIVELY PLAN FOR THE BIGGER PICTURE AND START WITH PUBLIC REALM.
SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION ON COM COMMENTS ON THOSE THREE ITEMS. UM, AND WE'LL JUST KIND OF GO DOWN AND BREAK THESE INTO CHUNKS.
MR. WADE, DO YOU WANNA START US OFF? OKAY.
YOU'RE TRYING THIS A NEW WAY TONIGHT,
I'M TRYING TO MARRY THESE ITEMS TOGETHER AND NOT TO GET TIED DOWN INTO THE CONDITIONS.
SO, UH, AGAIN, I I, I REALLY THANK THE APPLICANT FOR, UM, BRINGING A FRAMEWORK PLAN TO US, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOTHING THAT'S FIXED RIGHT NOW, BUT TO ME, THAT IS THE THING COMPREHENSIVELY.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT EVERY TIME YOU'VE COME BEFORE US.
AND SO I, I'M FEELING CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, UH, AS MR. KINSMAN SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT, BUT WE CAN SEE THAT THERE'S PROGRESS BEING MADE.
AND I, I THINK THAT TO ME, THAT'S VERY, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE DECISION MAKING THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE, UH, THE START WITH THE PUBLIC REALM.
I BELIEVE WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT TONIGHT.
UM, AND I MADE SOME POINTS ABOUT EVERY MOVE THAT YOU MAKE IN THIS, THIS, THESE PARTICULAR TWO BLOCKS SHOULD BUILD ONTO THE BIGGER PICTURE.
AND, AND I CAN START TO SEE THAT FORMING.
SO I, I HAVE SOME CONFIDENCE IN THAT.
THIRD ONE WAS THE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE POLICY AND GUIDANCE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, BS T SPECIAL AREA PLAN AND OTHER, YEAH.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO FIT WITHIN THE BST PLAN, AND I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, YOUR COMMENTS.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD.
THANK YOU TO LISTENING FROM THE LAST TIME THAT YOU WERE HERE.
UM, WE SEE SOME, UH, THIS MOVING, UM, IN A DIRECTION WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE PROCESS AND, UM, AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, I THINK YOU ARE HITTING THOSE AREAS
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AND, UM, ALSO, AGAIN, I AGREE WITH MR. WAY BY SAYING THAT THIS IS INSTRUMENTAL WHERE YOU'RE STARTING AND THEN EVERYTHING SHOULD KIND OF MOVE FORWARD FROM THAT.AND I LOVE THE IDEA WHERE YOU ALSO MENTIONED WHERE, WHERE WHATEVER'S IN THE FUTURE TOO, ABOUT GREEN SPACES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT FROM THE FUTURE PLAN AS WELL TOO.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. FISHMAN.
YEAH, I, I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH ALL MY COLLEAGUES.
I GUESS THE ONLY THING I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING PAST IS THE AMOUNT OF UNITS, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF CARS, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY, ANY ADULT LIVING IN DUBLIN, OHIO THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CAR.
OKAY? UH, THEY, THERE'S NOT BUS.
THEY, THEY DON'T TAKE BUSES, THEY DRIVE CARS.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASSUME EVEN ONE BEDROOM UNITS, IF IT'S A MARRIED COUPLE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TWO CARS.
AND, AND, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
AND THIS ISN'T GONNA BE THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT IN THIS, UH, COMMUNITY.
AND SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE, UH, INTENSIFIED.
SO, UM, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS, AND I HAVE A PROBLEM ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND THE AMOUNT OF CARS.
SO, UM, UH, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S SUFFICIENT PARKING AND I, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA CLOG THE CORRIDOR.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE, I ADMIRE HOW MUCH WORK YOU'VE DONE.
YOU'RE, YOU SEEM TO BE GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UH, YOU'VE, YOU'VE LISTENED TO US AT THE LAST MEETING.
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GREAT, BUT I, THAT'S MY ONE HANGUP, AND AND WE'RE NOT PAST THAT YET.
UM, I, I ALSO THINK THAT WE'VE COME A SIGNIFICANT WAY FROM LAST TIME.
I, IF I COULD SAY MY, MY ONLY HANGUP IS WITHOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WITHOUT THAT VISION, THEN WE ARE LOOKING AT COMPREHENSIVE, ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT RIGHT NEXT TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF MULTIFAMILY PRODUCTS IS NOT A VARIETY OF HOUSING.
AND I'LL GET TO THAT ONE HERE IN THE NEXT BULLET POINT.
BUT FOR ME IN THIS SECTION IS THAT COMPREHENSIVELY BIGGER NETWORK AND THE PUBLIC REALM.
SO A PUBLIC REALM WITH MORE HOUSING ON STREET LEVEL IS, IS NOT AS ENTICING, UH, PUBLIC REALM WITH, YOU KNOW, YES, YOU CAN ACTIVATE THAT GROUND LEVEL, BUT WE'RE ACTIVATING THE GROUND LEVEL IN ALL OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
AND SO WITHOUT A MASTER PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE IS JUST MORE RESIDENTIAL, MORE MULTIFAMILY, HEIGHT, DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL.
SO THAT, THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME, BUT IT'S NOT A BLOCKER.
SO PROVIDE A VARIETY OF HOUSING IN DUBLIN, NEIGHBORHOOD CHOICES, FOCUS, GROWTH, TRANSPORTATION, NETWORK, WALKABILITY, AND THAT DOVETAILS WITH YOUR, UH, CONCEPT PLAN CONFORMS TO THE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS.
THE LOTS, BLOCKS, STREET TYPES, SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE LAND USE ALLOW FOR APPROPRIATE INTEGRATION WITH THE COMMUNITY, CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED PLANS.
AND THE CON CONCEPTUAL BUILDING IS APPROPRIATELY CITED.
SO, UM, I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE OPEN SPACE PUBLIC PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT CONCEPTS WITH THE BE DISTINCTLY DUBLIN.
SO ON THE SCREEN, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE REST WITHOUT BE DISTINCTLY DUBLIN.
AND IN THE CRITERIA WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE, UH, UH, NUMBER FIVE CONS, CONCEPTUAL BUILDING, MS. HARDER, DO YOU WANNA START US THERE? I ALSO, UM, SEE THAT IT'S HOUSING, HOUSING, HOUSING, HOUSING.
IT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE TWEAKING ON THAT, UM, PORTION OF IT.
AND THEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, ACCESSIBILITY, IT'S LIKE THINKING ABOUT WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA WALK TOO AND THAT WALKING THAT AREA, UM, AND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, UM, AND, UH, WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
I THINK THAT YES, THAT'S WHERE I AM.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MR. WAY.
SO, UM, A AGAIN, WE, WE, WE KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS IDEA OF THE CONCEPT PLAN, MASTER PLAN, FRAMEWORK PLAN, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
UM, I MEAN, I THINK ALL INDICATIONS ARE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STARTING TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE ISSUES, CONNECTIVITY, WALKABILITY, TRANSPORTATION, NETWORK.
UM, AND I THINK OUR FRUSTRATION IS IF WE HAD AN AN APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD EVER GET THERE TO APPROVE A CONCEPT PLAN BEFORE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH SITE INDIVIDUALLY, BUT THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.
BUT I KNOW I, FROM OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX PARCEL OF LAND, AND
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YOU'VE GOT EXISTING LEASES AND ALL THAT, AND IT'S, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT EVERY TIME YOU COME IN FRONT OF US, WE START WITH YOUR FRAMEWORK PLAN, CONCEPT PLAN, WHEREVER IT IS IN ITS ITERATION, AND ILLUSTRATE TO US HOW EVERYTHING YOU'RE ASKING US TO LOOK AT FITS INTO THIS VISION STRATEGY.AND IF WE COULD APPROVE IT, THEN IT WOULD BE REALLY SIMPLE BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE IT APPROVED MASTER PLAN, AND WE COULD JUST REACT TO THAT.
THANK YOU MR. WAY, MR. FISHMAN.
SO, UH, UH, I'M RIGHT THERE WITH MR. WAY.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT CRAYONS ON PAPER RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ENVISION WHAT COULD HAPPEN NOW THAT WE HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A CONCEPT PLAN THAT IS, THAT IS ENTIRELY TOO BROAD WHEN APPLYING TO ONE PRINCIPAL, AND THAT'S THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT, AND SPECIFICALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH VARIETY, WHICH A ALLOWS US TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY AND TO INCORPORATE INDIVIDUAL APPLICATIONS INTO A B DISTINCTLY DUBLIN PRODUCT.
UH, THE FEATHERING, THE WAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IS GOING TO INTERACT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WITH THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES COULD BE VASTLY DIFFERENT.
FOR INSTANCE, WE COULD GO RESIDENTIAL YOUR NEIGHBORS ON THE WEST RESIDENTIAL THROUGH YOURS, RESIDENTIAL, ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO A STRIP MALL RIDE ALONG SAWMILL.
AND THAT'S NOT, I THINK, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD EVER SAY, WOO-HOO.
WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT RIDE ALONG SAWMILL, OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST ALREADY HAVE THAT BLUEPRINT TACKLED, AND WE'RE, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN REPEATING THAT.
BUT IF THIS IS AN EXCLUSIVELY RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT NEXT TO A MIXED USE PRODUCT, WHICH THEN GOES INTO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S GRAND, THAT'S DUBLIN.
THAT'S A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
UH, YOU HAVE BOTH THE BENEFIT AND THE, UH, THE CRUX, THE THE NEED.
CAUSE YOU ARE THE LARGER PARCEL.
NORMALLY YOU DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY, YOU CAN'T PLAN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
AND YOU DO HAVE A VISION, AND WE'D LOVE TO BE PART OF THE VISION, AND I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT, BUT IT DOES MAKE US VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THE, THE MICROSCOPE LENSS JUST CONCENTRATING ON ONE AND TRYING TO PRETEND THE OTHERS DON'T EXIST.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU HEAR OUR HESITATION.
UM, WITH THAT, LET'S TACKLE THE LAST ONE.
THE BE DISTINCTLY DUBLIN, AND THAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT CON CONCEPT CONFORMS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE OPEN SPACE, THE MEANING GATHERINGS, PLACES, AND THE BENEFIT FOR THE COM, THE DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY, NO OTHER.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
AND, AND I THINK WE'RE HEADED THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET.
UM, AND, AND, UH, SO I, I, I REALLY, UM, AM LOOKING FORWARD, UH, TO YOU COMING BACK AND SO THAT WE CAN VOTE ON THIS AND, AND KNOW WE GET, WE'RE GETTING WHAT WE GET, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.
MS. HARDER THE BENEFIT, UM, FOR OUR COMMUNITY, UH, WHEN SOMEONE COMES INTO THIS AREA, THAT WE WANT THEM TO HAVE AN EXPERIENCE, UM, A A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, UH, FEEL, UM, PART OF THE CONNECTION OF, UH, BRIDGE STREET, UM, AND ALSO THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY.
AND SO THAT NEEDS TO STRETCH A LONG WAY, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT.
UM, WE ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UH, OUR RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO LIVE HERE AND UNDERSTANDING HOW, UM, THE RISE AND COST OF APARTMENTS HAVE GONE UP CONSIDERABLY.
THE AVERAGE RANGE CONCERN, UH, THAT'S MENTIONED IN OUR HOUSING STUDY IS $1,300.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S AN EXPENSE AND SO FORTH, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, UM, ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, UM, THAT THEY WANNA LIVE HERE AND BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND I HOPE YOU THINK IN THOSE DIRECTIONS.
THANK YOU, MS. HER, MR. WAYNE.
SO TO BE DISTINCTLY DUBLIN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION, UM,
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN I THINK OF DISTINCTLY DOUBLE DUBLIN, IT'S THE QUALITY OF MATERIALS.
IT'S THE QUALITY OF OPEN SPACE.
AND, UM, I THINK YOUR TE, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF YOUR TEAM HAVE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN CREATING GREAT SPACES IN DUBLIN.
SO I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THIS AREA CAN BE, UM, UNIQUE TO ITSELF.
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HAS A WHOLE IMAGE THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS, RIGHT? AND IT WAS BUILT AT A CERTAIN STANDARD AND, YOU KNOW, HAS A LOOK AND FEEL.UM, I, I WOULDN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO BUILD ON THAT, BUT WHEN IT WAS BUILT, I THINK PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT DISTINCTLY DUBLIN, RIGHT? AND NOT WHAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET, RIGHT? IN COLUMBUS.
SO I THINK, UM, I THINK IT'S ABOUT THE DETAILS.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE MATERIALS, IT'S THE QUALITY OF THE SPACES.
THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA MAKE IT UNIQUELY DUBLIN.
UH, THE, THE ONE THING THAT I CALL OUT IS, IS DUBLIN IS FORWARD THINKING, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE NOT WILLING TO JUST ACCEPT ANYTHING AND PLOP IT DOWN AND CALL IT GOOD.
UH, YOU HAVE LISTENED TO US, WHICH I THINK IS, IS HUGE.
THE FOUR AND A FOUR AND A HALF STORY BUILDING THAT COULD WORK HERE, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT ABSOLUTELY COULD WORK HERE.
THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL IMAGERY AND THE ACTIVATION IS BEAUTIFUL.
THAT IS, TO ME, A PERFECTLY VALID DUBLIN PRODUCT.
UH, I, I, I THINK THAT DUBLIN IS VERY WELL PLANNED, MR. UNDERHILL, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHOCKED ME, UH, I WAS IN CITY GOVERNMENT IN MY FORMER CITY, AND I CALLED A PERSON WHO SERVED ON CITY COUNCIL WITH ME, AND I SAID THEY DID IT.
THEY PUT A FREEWAY WITH MASSIVE SCALE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO, AT THE TIME, HALF A MILLION, NOW MILLION DOLLAR HOMES.
THERE WAS NO APARTMENTS TO CONDOS, TO INDUSTRIAL, TO FEATHERING INTO YOUR RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT.
WE TOOK AN INTERSTATE AND PUT EMPLOYMENT CENTER, LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, AND IT WORKS.
WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE WEREN'T IN A HURRY BECAUSE WE HAD GREAT PARTNERS AND BECAUSE WE HAD AMAZING PLANNING STAFF.
AND SO THAT IS OUR DISTINCTLY DUBLIN DIFFERENCE.
AND I THINK THIS PROPERTY COULD GET THERE.
I THINK THIS APPLICATION COULD GET THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THERE YET.
I THINK THAT IT, IT'S ONE PART OF A, AN ABSOLUTELY COULD BE THERE.
UH, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, AGAIN, WHERE CRAYONS ON PAPER, RIGHT? SO ARE WE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE POLICY AND COMMUNITY PLAN? YES.
ARE WE, UH, CONFORMING TO THE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS? MAYBE, UH, ARE WE CONFORMING TO THE LOTS, BLOCKS, STREET TYPES AND SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS? MAYBE, UH, THE LAND USE ALLOWABLE FOR APPROPRIATE, INTEGRATED INTO THE COMMUNITY, CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANS AND ALIGNED USES? YES, IT'S ALLOWED.
CONCEPTUAL BUILDING IS APPROPRIATELY CITED AND SCALED, MAYBE.
SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU'RE FEELING AND WHAT I'M HEARING THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONER SAY IS IT'S DEFINITELY A POSITIVE, MAYBE.
BUT AS FAR AS IF WE WERE TO MOVE THIS EXACT PLAN FORWARD, I THINK WE'D HAVE A LOT OF, A LOT OF DETAILS TO STILL HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT TO HAVE SOME DETAILS IN THE PROCESS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, TONIGHT, TONIGHT, YOU'RE ONLY HEARING FROM FOUR OF THE SEVEN OF US BECAUSE WE ARE MISSING THREE OF OUR COMMISSION MEMBERS.
SO, UH, CONCEPT PLAN IS LOOKING FOR ACTION THIS EVENING.
AND SO WE'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU UP TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFICATION THAT YOU'D WANT, IF YOU'D LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, WITH A VOTE THIS EVENING.
NOT REALLY SURE WHERE SOME OF THAT WAS.
UH, VERY, VERY, UH, VERY GOOD AND VERY INSIGHTFUL.
UM, AND SOME OF IT, I GUESS, AS YOU CAN SEE AS WE'RE TALKING, THERE'RE A BIT CONFUSED IN THAT THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS A FORM-BASED CODE.
AND WHEN YOU MEET THOSE BLOCKS AND BLOCKS AND LENGTHS AND THE BUILDING HEIGHTS, AND YOU MEET THOSE CONDITIONS, BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT IS IN THE CODE, IS NOT CONCERNED WITH THE USE INSIDE THAT BUILDING.
IF I MEET IT, IF I'M ASKING FOR WAIVERS AND EXCEPTIONS TO THAT RULE AND DIFFERENT THINGS, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STRUGGLING.
BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
WE LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, LET'S MEET THIS CODE, AND WE DREW IT AND WE MET IT.
AND NOW WHAT I GUESS I'M HEARING IS, UM, WE MAY NOT LIKE THIS USE HERE WITHOUT SEEING A MASTER PLAN.
SO I'M BEING PENALIZED FOR HAVING MORE LAND.
UH, SO I, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THERE, BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE CODE TALKS
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ABOUT COMPLIMENTARY USES, RIGHT? ADJACENT PROPERTY, WHAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY CORRECT IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE THERE IS NO PLAN ON IT.BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WHEN PULTE CAME THROUGH AND HAD A HUNDRED TOWN HOMES SET UP.
YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT MY ADJACENT USES AS A RIGHT AS A RETAIL CENTER WAS.
YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HOTEL ACROSS THE STREET WAS GOING TO MAKE OUT.
YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE GONNA DO, UH, WITH THE NOW DEFUNCT FISHER HOME SITE.
ALL THOSE WERE THE EXACT SAME CONDITIONS THAT, THAT THEY WERE APPROVED AND HELD TO BECAUSE THEY MET THE CODE.
AND I MAY TURN SOME TIME OVER HERE TO MR. BOGGS.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GREEN SPACE, UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY AND EXISTING USES MM-HMM.
EXPECTED TO BE THERE TODAY OR TOMORROW.
WE DON'T EXPECT BRAND NEW BUILDINGS TO NOT BE THERE NEXT MONTH, NEXT YEAR, WE, WE DO SEE CERTAIN LIFETIMES OF PROPERTIES.
AND SO WHERE WE HAVE GREEN SPACE, BRIDGE STREET COMES IN, WE HAVE SOME ANCHOR TENANTS, WE HAVE THAT TYPE OF THING.
WE, WE KNOW WHAT A LOT OF THE BROAD STROKES ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE MM-HMM.
WE'RE TALKING REDEVELOPMENT WITH A LOT OF EXISTING USES SURROUNDING OR APPROVED MOVING FORWARD APPLICATIONS MM-HMM.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GREEN, YOU KNOW, UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO YOUR PARCEL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONDITION THERE.
WE COULD SEE NO OTHER DEVELOPMENT.
THIS BE THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT IN YOUR PAR YES.
BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT.
ARE WE, HAVE WE DONE RECENTLY ANY SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO FOUR STORY BUILDINGS? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR CRUX.
IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS JUST INDEPENDENT OF ITSELF, WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS A COMMISSION.
AND IT WOULD BE, DO WE WANT SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO A FOUR STORY RESIDENTIAL UNIT? AND, UH, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF, I CAN'T THINK OF ONE IN THE RECENT PAST, BUT I, I THINK THAT YOU WOULD HEAR CONCERNS FROM THE COMMISSION.
SO MR. BOGGS, TURNING SOME TIME OVER TO YOU, IF YOU WANNA OFFER ANY CLARIFICATION WHY THIS APPLICATION WITH ALREADY DEVELOPED OUT PARCELS, LAND PARCELS, WHETHER WITHIN THEIR DOMAIN, THEIR OWNERSHIP OR NOT, WHY IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED DIFFERENT THAN SOMETHING THAT HAS GREEN SPACE, OPEN SPACE, UNDEVELOPED PARCELS SURROUNDING.
SO I, I THINK HERE WHAT I WOULD TELL THE COMMISSION IS YOU HAVE EIGHT CRITERIA THAT ARE SET FORTH FOR CONCEPT PLAN.
AND I THINK THAT YOUR COMMENTS GET VERY PARTICULARLY TO IS THE CONCEPT PLAN CONSISTENT WITH POLICY GUIDANCE OF COMMUNITY PLAN, SPECIAL AREA PLAN, OTHER CITY PLANS, AND DO THE PROPOSED LAND USES ALLOW FOR APPROPRIATE INTEGRATION IN THE COMMUNITY CONSISTENT WITH ADOPTED PLANS.
SO I THINK IN THE TERMS OF YOUR CRITERIA, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE USES OF, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL HERE VERSUS COMMERCIAL NEXT TO IT THAT'S EXISTING, THAT APPROPRIATE INTEGRATION SEEMS TO BE WHAT YOU ARE DRIVING AT.
WHEREAS IF YOU HAVE GREEN SPACE, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A BLANK SLATE.
AND THE COMMISSION HAS NOT DONE A LOT OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT WORK HERE.
SEEN A LOT OF IN INFILL DEVELOPMENT WORK HERE IN THE BRIDGE STREET DISTRICT AREA.
SO I DO THINK THAT THERE IS ROOM TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION OF HOW ULTIMATELY ALL OF THESE PUZZLE PIECES ARE GOING TO FIT TOGETHER.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION THOUGH, TO, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS A CRITERIA BASED, CODE-BASED PROCESS, AND WE ARE AT THIS CONCEPT PLAN BASED CONCEPT PLAN STEP OF THAT PROCESS.
AND SO REALLY HUEING TO THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU AS YOU MAKE YOUR, IF, IF YOU MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, CERTAINLY IS CRITICAL.
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THANK YOU.AND MR. UNDERHILL, I SAW YOU STAND UP.
DID YOU WANNA MAKE A COMMENT? I WAS JUST CONFIRM WITH MY CLIENT.
CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? UM, YOU KNOW, UH, MANY YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE WRITING THIS CODE, I REMEMBER WE SAT IN FRONT OF CONSULTANTS AND THEY SAID THIS COULD HAPPEN.
THEY SAID IF EVERYBODY GOES MAXIMUM TO THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, BUILDS MAXIMUM CODE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE DEVIATIONS.
NOW, THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE HAVE TO SOMETIME MAYBE REWRITE THE CODE OKAY.
AS, AS THE DEVELOPMENT GOES ALONG.
BUT, UM, UH, UH, I, I THINK THAT, UM, THEY ALSO SAID YOU HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN THE CODE AND IF IT DOESN'T, UM, ISN'T COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S NEXT TO IT OR WHAT'S GONNA BE NEXT TO IT, UM, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT IS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CODE.
OKAY? THERE HAS TO BE SOME DEVIATIONS.
AND I REMEMBER A CONSULTANT TELLING US THAT, UH, IN, IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS, AND, AND IN FACT, SOMEBODY NEXT TO ME ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE, UH, AS THIS THING GROWS, THERE'S GONNA BE DEVIATIONS IN A CODE AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA, UH, DEVIATIONS IN A TYPE OF BUILDINGS.
AND IF THIS BUILDING ISN'T COMPATIBLE WITH THIS BUILDING, ARE WE ALLOWED TO SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE.
AND THE CONSULTANT SAID, YES, YOU ARE.
NOW THAT WAS WHAT I HEARD 10 YEARS AGO, OR WHATEVER IT WAS, RIGHT? I, AND I DO THINK THAT THE COMPATIBILITY QUESTION GOES BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT IS CORRECT.
THIS IS A FORM-BASED CODE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, YES, THE CRITERIA DO CONSIDER USES IN TERMS OF WHETHER THEY ARE ACCOUNTED FOR IN PLANS AND WHETHER THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN BE INTEGRATED TOGETHER.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS ULTIMATELY A SINGLE DISTRICT.
THIS IS A SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, BUT I, I, I THINK THAT SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS DEVIATION QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT IF THAT'S REFERRING TO WAIVERS OR SOMETHING THAT IS AT A LATER STAGE OF THE PROCESS MM-HMM.
WHAT I REMEMBER WAS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A FORM BASED CODE, AND HE SAID, WELL, WHAT IF IT MEETS THE FORM BASED CODE, BUT THE USE ISN'T COMPATIBLE WITH, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T CONTROLLING THE USE AT THAT TIME ISN'T COMPATIBLE WITH NEXT DOOR.
UH, WHAT DO WE DO? AND THE GUY SAID THAT, THE CONSULTANT SAID, YOU HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN THAT CASE.
UM, UH, BECAUSE THE, IN THE CODE, IT, THEY, THE UNIT, THE USES HAVE TO BE COMPATIBLE.
I REMEMBER, I, I'M NOT WORDING EXACTLY, IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, BUT I, BUT THAT WAS WHAT IT, THE CONSULTANT TOLD US THAT, THAT THIS ISN'T WRITTEN IN STONE.
THE FORM IS THERE, BUT THE USES, AND, AND, AND I THINK I BROUGHT UP DENSITY AND, AND, AND THEY SAID, WELL, YEAH, IF, IF THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRANSPORTATION AND ALL THAT STUFF, YOU CAN, YOU HAVE TO DEVIATE, RIGHT? DENSITY IS GOING TO FLOW FROM FORM, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT FROM A CONSULTANT THAT WOULD SAY IN A FORM-BASED CODE, IF YOU HAVE A USE THAT IS OTHERWISE PERMITTED AND YOU, YOU CAN'T, AND IT MEETS CODE IN ALL OTHER RESPECTS, THAT, UH, COMPATIBILITY CAN JUST BE BASED ON USE ALONE.
I DON'T THINK HE SAID, I THINK HE SAID IT'S A WHOLE PACKAGE THAT, THAT YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR HEAD AND RIGHT.
IF IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T FIT, IT DOESN'T FIT, EVEN THOUGH IT FITS THE FORM BASED CODE CODE, RIGHT? BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, DENSITY IS GOING TO FLOW FROM FORM.
AND SO IT MAY BE THAT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, PROJECT ON THIS SITE, SEVEN STORIES WAS TOO HIGH, UH, UH, IN THE COMMISSION'S COMMENTS, SEVEN STORIES ON, YOU KNOW, FINITE AMOUNT OF GROUND NECESSARILY LEADS TO MORE DENSITY.
AND SO THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THAT INTEGRATES IN.
NOW MAYBE THIS STILL HAS THE SAME QUESTIONS.
THAT'S NOT MY, UH, ROLE, BUT I THINK THE WAY I WOULD THINK ABOUT IT IS HOW DOES THE, YOU KNOW, PHYSICAL PLAN AND CONFIGURATION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU AT THIS POINT, HOW DOES THAT, UH,
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FALL UNDER YOUR REVIEW CRITERIA? RIGHT? I JUST, AS WARREN SAID, I THINK WARREN, WHEN YOU SAY, IS IT COMPATIBLE, IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE, THE NEW USES THAT ARE COMING.UM, AND THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY WOULD STRUGGLE WITH ANYTHING WITH THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
I MEAN, JUST AS LIKE THE GREENFIELD AS WE'LL BACK UP, SAY POLETE WAS IN A GREENFIELD, IT HAD A SINGLE STORY OFFICE BUILDING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT.
IT HAD AN AMC PARKING LOT ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF IT.
SO, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO EACH STAGE AND SAY, WELL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEVELOP? AND IS THAT PIECE MEETING IT? AND I UNDERSTAND THE HOLISTIC DOES IT DEVELOP OUT AND RUN THROUGH, BUT THIS IS JUST ONE PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE.
AND, AND LET'S SAY I DON'T OWN THE REST OF THE 60 ACRES THERE.
I ONLY OWN THIS FIVE ACRES OR SIX ACRES.
THEN, THEN WE'RE LEFT TO DEAL WITH ONLY THIS SIX ACRES.
AND IS THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. BOGG IS GETTING TO, IS THAT THIS SIX ACRES DOES STAND ON ITS OWN AND MEETS THE FORM BASED CODE AND THE CRITERIA OF WHAT YOU'RE JUDGING IT AGAINST.
AND WE'VE DONE JUST WHAT YOU SAID, REBECCA, WHEN WE CAME IN HERE, BEFORE YOU WENT THROUGH THAT LIST OF ITEMS THAT YOU ALL SAID, WE DON'T DO THIS, WE DON'T DO THIS, WE DON'T DO THIS.
AND THERE WAS FIVE OR SIX POINTS THAT YOU MADE.
WE CORRECTED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE WERE MET.
AND, AND BACK THEN WE WEREN'T COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEW USE ACROSS THE, UH, THE STREET.
AND NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME I'M NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE OLD USE ACROSS THE STREET.
SO I CAN'T WIN WHETHER I BRING A PRODUCT THAT DOESN'T MEET THE CODE AND I CAN'T WIN IF I BRING A PRODUCT THAT DOES MEET THE CODE.
SO, SO I, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF ALONE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE, WE HAVE A SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT IS TO CREATE A COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER.
COMPLETE THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT AND CONFORMS WITH THE BUILDING TYPES AND CODE.
YOU GOT COMPLETES THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT AND COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT.
YOU MEET ON THE WEST, YOU DON'T MEET ON THE EAST.
SO LOOKING AT IT ALL BY ITSELF, RIGHT? I WOULD SAY NO, WE HAVE TO COVER THAT HEIGHT, PROPERTY HEIGHT.
BUT EVERY PROPERTY DOES THAT THEN, I'M SORRY, EVERY PROPERTY WOULD'VE DONE THAT THEN? UH, NO, BECAUSE INFILLED PROPERTY OR REDEVELOPED PROPERTY IS TREATED WITH ITS ADJACENT PARCELS.
YOU CAN'T SAY YOU CAN NEVER BUILD HERE BECAUSE YOUR NEIGHBORS DON'T BUILD HERE.
BUT IN A, IN A FACILITY, WHETHER YOU OWN THE NEXT PARCEL OVER OR NOT, IT IS STILL SINGLE STORY GROUND LEVEL RETAIL.
AND YOUR WESTERN NEIGHBORS ARE MULTI-STORY RESIDENTIAL.
SO IN BETWEEN MAXING OUT THE POSSIBLE IS NOT COHESIVE AND IT DOESN'T COMPLETE.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S MY BIGGEST HANGUP.
WOULD YOU LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A MOTION TO EVENING? ME, AARON, YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING FIRST? I THINK AARON LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SO.
IT'S, UH, AARON UNDERHILL, UNDERHILL AND HODGE 8,000 WALTON PARKWAY IN NEW ALBANY.
UM, HARD FOR ME TO SIT HERE AND NOT SAY ANYTHING, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FELT, UH, KEVIN WAS THE MOST WELL EQUIPPED TO TALK THROUGH THE PARTICULARS OF THE PLAN.
BUT, UM, I WANT TO JUST HAVE, MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ON THE BRIDGE STREET CODE, AND I'VE GOT A LITTLE STORY TO TELL IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME.
SO PROBABLY 12 OR 14 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS 18 YEARS OLD, NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
I WAS AT ANOTHER FIRM, UH, THAT, UM, YOU ALL, WARREN, YOU KNOW, OR WAS WORKING FOR BEN HALE AND BEN GOT A CALL FROM ONE OF YOUR COUNCIL PEOPLE WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS.
AND, UM, AND HE WANTED TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, HIS OWN PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THIS WAS FOR A GROUND SIGN THAT HAD THE RIGHT TO BE EIGHT FOOT TALL.
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS FOUR FOOT TALL AT THE TIME, AND THEN THE ROUNDABOUT AT AVERY AND POST WENT IN AND IT, THERE'S, IT WAS KIND OF MOUNDED UP.
SO THEY WENT IN AND WITH THEIR CONDO ASSOCIATION, TRIED TO GET THAT APPROVED, AND SO IT GOT TABLED BECAUSE, UH, THE COMMISSION DIDN'T LIKE AN EIGHT FOOT TALL SIGN.
AND, UH, SO I CAME IN, TRIED TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT, LOOK, WE MET, WE MET THE CODE, WE MET THE STANDARDS, SO IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO AND NOT TO.
AND SO ONE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, THIS ENDED UP BEING THE LEAD LINE IN MY APP, APPELLATE BRIEF SAID, WELL, UH, AARON, THIS IS DUBLIN, AND WE WANT YOU TO NOT ONLY MEET CODE, WE WANT YOU TO EXCEED IT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE ISSUE HERE WITH THE BRIDGE STREET CODE AND MY OPINION, NOW, I COME HERE AND, AND I'M SHOOTING MYSELF IN THE FOOT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I, I WORK HERE ALL THE TIME.
AND IN BRIDGE STREET IT'S PRODUCED A GREAT PRODUCT, BUT I THINK THE WHOLE DOCUMENT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
I THINK IT'S VOID FOR VAGUENESS, WHICH IS FUNNY BECAUSE I'VE MADE A JOKE HERE BEFORE THAT I, I, I'VE READ THE BIBLE AND I
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READ THE BRIDGE STREET CODE AND I GOT DONE MORE QUICKLY WITH READING THE BIBLE.IT'S SO THICK, BUT IT'S VOID FOR VAGUENESS BECAUSE YOU, YOU BRING A PROJECT THAT BASICALLY MEETS ALL THE CODE STANDARDS AND IT CAN STILL BE TURNED DOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LACK OF DUE PROCESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TO BE, ARE WE BEING DISTINCTLY DUBLIN MR. WAY, SAID, BOY, THAT'S SUBJECTIVE.
BUT IF THAT'S THE ONE CRITERIA WE HANG OUR HAT ON, HOW DO I KNOW WHAT DISTINCTLY DUBLIN OR HOW DO THESE GENTLEMEN KNOW WHAT DISTINCTLY DUBLIN IS? SO, AND I GUESS LASTLY, MR. FISHERMAN, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT I AGREE WITH YOU IF, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT I'M HAVING TO MAKE ALL THE TIME, AND I'M GONNA BE HERE PRETTY SOON, PROBABLY IN THE METRO PLACE AREA, UH, WITH SOME PROJECTS AND THIS IDEA OF MIXED USE, AND EVERY PROJECT SEEMS TO, THERE SEEMS TO WANT TO BE A MIXED USE COMPONENT TO IT NO MATTER WHERE IT IS.
AND IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO DO UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME CRITICAL MASS OF THINGS AND EVERYTHING.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THAT CASE WE'LL BE IN A, IN A ZONING SITUATION WHERE WE'LL DO A P U D AND YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF DISCRETION AT THAT, THAT POINT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY REALLY IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS HERE, I WOULD ARGUE BECAUSE WE'RE APPLYING THE LAW.
BUT IT HAPPENS TO BE IN DUBLIN, IN THE BRIDGE STREET CODE.
IT TAKES 18 MONTHS TO GET A ZONED SITE APPROVED.
YOU COULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS THREE STEP PROCESS, RIGHT? I MEAN, ULTI HOMES AND TALLER FLATS WERE THAT WAY, AND IT'S FINE.
THE PRO, I MEAN, I, I ACTUALLY DROVE BY TALLER FLATS THE OTHER DAY, AND I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT.
AND SO THAT WAS A GOOD, GOOD RESULT FROM THE PROCESS.
BUT THE STAFF ROTHS BACK WHEN THE BRIDGE STREET CODE WAS APPROVED, UH, WERE ADAMANTLY AGAINST BEING INCLUDED IN IT BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS LIKE THIS THAT IT WOULD CAUSE THEM.
AND THEY WERE A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION IN THAT THEY HAD A BUILT SHOPPING CENTER THAT WAS LEASED FOR A LONG TERM, CONTINUES TO BE LEASED FOR A LONG TERM, AND AN ASSET THAT WAS, WAS PRODUCING.
AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE A LOT TO ENHANCE THAT.
BUT IF WE DO WANNA SEE THIS REDEVELOP OVER TIME, THERE HAS TO BE SOME CERTAINTY.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE CODE NOW DOESN'T DISTINGUISH, DOESN'T REQUIRE A MIX OF USES ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS, FOR INSTANCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ZONING, UH, CATEGORY WE'RE IN, UH, UH, PROVIDES FOR RESIDENTIAL TO BE BUILT ON ITS OWN AND STAND ON ITS OWN MERITS.
PROVIDED NOW WE, NOW WE CAN ARGUE WHETHER SOME OF THE SUBJECTIVE CRITERIA ARE BEING MET OR NOT.
CERTAINLY THE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA ARE, UM, BUT, BUT, BUT TO ME, THE, THE VAGUENESS OF THIS DOCUMENT IS SO DIFFICULT, AND IT LEADS APPLICANTS TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PROJECT.
AND THIS IS OUR THIRD GO AROUND HERE, AND IT'S GETTING VERY DIFFICULT FOR THESE GENTLEMEN TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS EXACTLY THE CITY WANTS.
SO, UH, THERE'S NOTHING FOR YOU TO DO WITH THOSE REMARKS.
I JUST HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO SAY THEM.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT ON THIS SIDE TO, TO TRY TO BE, UM, ACCOMMODATING TO THE CITY STAFF HAS ITS OWN VIEWS.
PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ITS OWN VIEWS.
SHOOT, UH, THIS WOULD HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
WE'RE GONNA NEED TIF DOLLARS, ET CETERA.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL.
AND NOT EVERYBODY SEES EYE TO EYE ON EVERYTHING, BUT IT REALLY MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO POINT TO 20, 25 THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO CHECK THE BOX ON.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU DO THAT, YOU STILL HAVE OTHER HURDLES TO, TO OVERCOME.
SO, UM, WITH ALL OF THAT, I THINK WE'D LIKE A VOTE TONIGHT.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S MUCH WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, THAT WOULD, WOULD CHANGE YOUR MINDS.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY SCRAP IT AND START OVER TO A LARGE EXTENT.
AND CERTAINLY ANY CHANGES WE WOULD MAKE, I THINK WOULD STRAY US FURTHER AWAY FROM CODE, WHICH, UH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE.
SO ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE, AGAIN, YOU LISTENING TO ME AND INDULGING ME ON THAT, BUT, UH, WANTED TO GET THAT INTO THE RECORD.
UH, I, I DON'T WANNA BE MISUNDERSTOOD.
UM, I, I, I AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT, UM, YOU JUST SAID.
MY PROBLEM IS, IS PARKING 500 CARS AND THE DENSITY, AND I, I THINK AS IT DEVELOPS OUT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
IT'S A FORM PLACE CODE, BUT THE DENSITY PEOPLE HAVE TWO, IT'S COMMON SENSE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TWO CARS OR ONE CAR PER PERSON.
THERE'LL PROBABLY BE TWO PEOPLE PER UNIT.
WE DON'T KNOW EVEN KNOW THAT YET FOR SURE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S MY BIGGEST PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS SO, SO IS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND, AND IT'S A VALID CONCERN AND CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'RE ALL WILLING TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS ON.
I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT'S THE MAGIC NUMBER THEN? HOW DO WE KNOW IF WE COME BACK AND WE PROVIDE 35 MORE SPACES, IS THAT ENOUGH? THERE'S A, THERE'S, WE'VE MET THE CODE ALREADY, SO HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT
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THE BAR IS? UM, THAT THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY? WELL, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.IF, IF YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE PER APARTMENT AVERAGE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO CARS, OKAY? AND THAT'S WITH ABOUT 500 PARKING SPOTS.
OKAY? AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO USE THE STREET, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OTHER DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND RETAIL AND SO ON.
UM, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE AVAILABLE.
I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT ABOUT HIGH DENSITY AREAS IS WHERE DO I PARK? OKAY.
AND I DON'T WANNA HEAR WHAT WE HEAR IN OTHER BIG CITIES.
I I, I, I'M NOT GONNA GO DOWN THERE BECAUSE I, IT'S AGGRAVATING.
I CAN'T PARK, I, IT, IT'S CROWDED, DA DA AND SO ON.
I THINK IT'S SPECTACULAR SO FAR, BUT I, I THINK THAT, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE GOTTA BE POSITIVE OF.
I THINK THE, THE PROPER AVENUE TO HAVE THAT ADDRESSED IS TO GET THE CODE AMENDED.
AND, AND IF I, IF I COULD ADDRESS THE PARKING COUNT ISSUE QUICKLY, GO AHEAD.
BASED ON STAFF'S REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICATION MEETS THE CODE FOR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO, SO, SO THAT WOULD NOT BE THE REASON FOR THAT.
THAT WOULD NOT BE A VALID REASON FOR CORRECT A NO VOTE ON THIS.
SO, UH, YOU, YOU HEARD SOME DIFFERENCES.
YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE, UH, CONCERNED WITH PEDESTRIANS, SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH STREET.
THE COMMON THING THAT I HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION, AND PLEASE COMMISSION CORRECT ME IF I HEARD THIS INCORRECTLY, WAS THE DENSITY, THE CHARACTER OF THIS BUILDING.
SO OUR CRITERIA READS EXACTLY THE CONCEPTUAL BUILDING IS APPROPRIATELY CITED AND SCALED TO CREATE A COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER COMPLETES THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT AND CONFORMS WITH THE BUILDING TYPES IN THE CODE.
NO ONE IS ARGUING THAT LAST POINT, THE BUILDING TYPE.
IT IS ALLOWABLE IN THIS CODE, THE SCALE TO CREATE THE CHARACTER.
FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF STORIES IS ALLOWED IN A PODIUM BUILDING.
WE'RE NOT ARGUING THAT WE'RE ARGUING THE COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER AND COMPLETE COMPLETING THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT.
THOSE ARE THE TWO CONCEPTS ON WHICH I, I THINK YOU HEARD COMMONALITY AMONGST ALL OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS THIS EVENING THAT THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICATION MEETS THAT CRITERIA.
THAT'S IT'S SUBJECTIVE, RIGHT? IT'S AN OPINION.
YOU, THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE HERE FOR.
I WAS GONNA SAY, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PAID TO DO, BUT YOU'RE NOT PAID.
UM, BUT YES, THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY ON THIS SIDE IS THERE IS ALWAYS A, A TRAP DOOR, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS FALLING THROUGH IT.
SO, AND, AND I DO, JUST FOR, FOR CLARITY, I DO WANNA OFFER, UM, THE CONCEPT DESIGN OF OPEN SPACE AND OTHER CRITERIA I THINK WE COULD, WITH, WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
THE AEP EASEMENT IS AN UNKNOWN, BUT AGAIN, THAT COULD BE TACKLED AT PRELIMINARY, RIGHT? THE SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, IT'S KIND OF, AGAIN, CRAYONS ON PAPER RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE COULD TACKLE IT.
UH, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS ANOTHER OPEN SPACE CALL OUT.
AND AGAIN, I THINK WE COULD TACKLE THAT AT PRELIMINARY TO PLAN.
SO ALL OF THOSE MAYBES THAT I QUOTED EARLIER, I, I THINK THAT COULD ALL MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK WHERE WE'RE HANGING UP AND WE GOTTA MEET ALL THE CRITERIA, RIGHT? WE'RE AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY, WE'RE NOT LEGISLATIVE.
WE GOTTA MEET ALL OF THOSE STANDARDS AND THE SCALED COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT, I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE UNCOMFORTABLE.
THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A MOTION, UH, HAS REQUESTED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
SO WE DO NEED TO VOTE ON THIS ITEM.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS PROVIDED.
DOES THE COMMISSION WISH TO ADD ANY OTHER CONDITIONS BEFORE A VOTE IS TAKEN? COULD I, COULD I JUST ADD SOMETHING TO ITEM SEVEN? SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, AGAIN, APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH STAFF ON THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
CAN WE ADD SOME LANGUAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE OPEN SPACES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE LARGER DEVELOPMENT TO I I IS THAT TOO, I WOULD THINK OF THAT AS ALREADY BEING, AS A REQUIREMENT, PART OF THE CODE.
THAT, THAT SHOULD BE A PRINCIPLE THAT'S APPLIED BASED ON THE EXISTING CODE.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WE WOULD, WE WOULDN'T OBJECT TO THAT.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'VE, WHAT YOU'VE LAID OUT, UH, FULLY AND, AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, MOVE THIS ROAD CH TWEAK THIS.
I MEAN, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND, AND IF YOU WANT TO ADD THAT, WE WOULDN'T OBJECT, BUT IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE ALREADY THERE.
SO AS THEY MOVE FORWARD, THEY WOULD, HOPEFULLY IT'S SOMETHING INCORPORATE ART IN THEIR MIND TO THINK ABOUT.
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ALL RIGHT.THANK YOU, MR. THE, WITH THE, UM, SEVEN CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU, MS. HARDER, MS. BEAL, MS. HARDER? NO, MR. WAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD THE THIRD NO, NO.
UM, GENTLEMEN, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, AND LADY, SORRY.
UH, WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
WE DO APPRECIATE ALL OF THE EFFORT THAT'S GONE IN.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE TOO, TOO, TOO FAR OFF.
I THINK THAT IF WE CAN GET THAT MASTER PLAN IN FRONT OF US AND WE CAN SEE HOW THE COHESIVE NATURE INCORPORATES THE ADJACENT PARCELS, THEN IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
AND JUST FOR CLARITY, IF WE WERE TREATING THIS ON ITS OWN MERITS IN THAT MICROSCOPIC VIEW, I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO, AND AGAIN, I'M USING THE EYE PURPOSELY.
I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO DELIBERATE.
CONSIDERING THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
UM, I THINK
UH, THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
[Case #22-178]
CASE 22 DASH 1 78 OPEN AND UNCOVERED PATIOS ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW CODE AMENDMENT.THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF PROPOSED LANGUAGE TO AMEND ZONING CODE SECTIONS 1 53 DASH 0 0 2 1 53 DASH UH, 0 7 1 AND 1 53.
DO 0 7 4 TO ADDRESS THE DEFINITIONS OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
ALL RIGHT, MR. HANSEL, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU WHILE WE HAVE A WONDERFUL ACCOMPANIMENT.
UH, I'LL KEEP MY PRESENTATION HERE SHORT AND BRIEF SINCE WE SAW THIS MOST RECENTLY.
BUT THIS IS FOR A NEW CODE AMENDMENT TO THE OPEN AND UNCOVERED SECTIONS, UH, OF OUR ZONING CODE.
SO THIS WAS BROUGHT ABOUT, UH, FROM THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AS THEY REQUESTED STAFF, UH, TAKE A DEEPER LOOK INTO CURRENT, UM, DEFINITIONS AND CURRENT, UH, WAYS THAT THE CODE SPEAKS TOWARDS OPEN AND UNCOVERED STRUCTURES.
UM, THIS IS BASED ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL THAT HAD GONE BEFORE THE BOARD, WHICH WAS UPHELD.
UM, AND THEN THIS DIRECTION WAS PROVIDED TO STAFF AFTER THIS, WHICH INCLUDED DEFINING SEVERAL STRUCTURES SUCH AS A PATIO, PERGOLA, TRELLIS, PORCH, AND SOME OTHER ITEMS. SO BACK IN MAY, UH, THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION AND, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED, JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY FROM STAFF, ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, UH, THOSE ITEMS AROUND HOW WE DEFINE A TRELLIS, UH, ARTIFICIALLY INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF STRUCTURES, UH, CLARIFYING GRADING REQUIREMENTS FOR PATIOS.
AND THEN, UH, THERE WERE SOME, SOME COMMENTS PROVIDED ABOUT PLAY EQUIPMENT AND WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE, UH, CURRENTLY IN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
UH, SO STAFF HAS GONE FORWARD AND HAS PROVIDED, UH, UPDATED CODE SECTIONS FOR, UH, THREE SECTIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET.
THE FIRST IS ADDING DEFINITIONS TO THE TEXT.
THOSE WERE OUTLINED IN READ, UH, IN YOUR MATERIALS, THE LOT, LOT AND YARD REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS TO EXEMPLIFY AND, AND KIND OF SHOWCASE WHAT THIS REQUIREMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UH, SO THIS RE REMOVES ALL REFERENCES TO OPEN AND UNCOVERED, UH, AND MAKES IT MORE SPECIFIC TOWARDS ACTUAL STRUCTURES.
SO, UH, WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO ENCROACH INTO THE REAR YARD SETBACK BY FIVE FEET WOULD BE AT GRADE PATIOS AND SEATING WALLS UP TO 18 INCHES TALL WHEN YOU COMBINE BOTH.
UH, AND THEN THE REQUIREMENT CURRENTLY STATES THAT PORCHES CAN ENCROACH THE FRONT YARD.
WE ADDED THAT AS WELL JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MAINTAINS, UM, WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS FOR THIS.
SO SOME OF THE UPDATES STAFF HAS PROVIDED, UH, SINCE THE LAST TIME THIS WAS SEEN BEFORE THE COMMISSION, WE WERE REVISING THE DEFINITION OF A TRELLIS, MAKING SURE THAT IT COULD NOT BE, UH, DISGUISED AS A PERGOLA IN THE FUTURE SO THAT IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY SEPARATED FROM THE BUILDING.
UM, THERE ARE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS FOR TRELLIS IN THE CODE.
UH, WE ARE NOT TOUCHING THOSE, SO THOSE WOULD STILL APPLY HERE.
UH, IT'S MEANT MORE TO BE A LANDSCAPING FEATURE, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO RUN, UH, VEGETATION UP.
AND THEN ALSO ADDED REQUIREMENTS TO LIMITING ARTIFICIALLY INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF STRUCTURES.
SO THAT WAS A DISCUSSION LAST TIME.
UH, IN PARTICULAR TO ALSO GRADING.
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SOMETHING THAT, UH, WITH INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, ZONING, WE DON'T LOOK AT THAT TOO MUCH, BUT, UM, WHEN IT IS IMPACTING AN EASEMENT, UM, WE'VE HAD THIS IN THE PAST, IT USUALLY HAS TO GO TO OUR ENGINEERING STAFF AND THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT THEY'RE NOT IMPACTING ANY SWALES, UH, OR, OR ANY DRAINAGE ON THEIR SITES THAT WOULD IMPACT OTHERS.UM, WITH THAT STAFF IS REQUESTING A RECOMMENDATION OF A APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THIS, UH, REQUEST TONIGHT.
WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
WE MAY BE COMPETING WITH NOT JUST WIND AND RAIN, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME HANG OUT THERE.
SO THANK YOU, UH, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS FOR MR. HANSEL.
UH, DISCUSSION, MS. HARDER? I JUST HAD A COUPLE, UM, BUT JUST ONE RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THAT FIVE FEET OUT, CAN THEN, CAN YOU PUT LIKE SOME SHRUBBERY AROUND IT OR DECORATIVE, UH, PLANTINGS, LANDSCAPING THAT, OR ARE YOU DONE AT THAT POINT? YEAH, SO LANDSCAPING IS, UH, NOT REGULATED BY THE CITY.
SO ANY RE WELL, RESIDENTIAL LANDSCAPING IS NOT REGULATED.
UM, COMMERCIAL IS A DIFFERENT STORY, BUT FOR HOMES YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT SHRUBS, UM, TREES, ANY SORT OF PLANTINGS THERE THROUGHOUT THE YARD.
THE ONLY AREAS YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT WOULD BE IN A NO DISTURB ZONE, WHICH THOSE ARE PLATTED REQUIREMENTS.
OTHER DISCUSSION? OH, JUST PASSING ALONG ONE FROM MR. SCHIER.
UH, HE DID HAVE CONCERN WITH THE DEFINITION OF PATIO, UH, CONCERN WITH A HORIZONTAL STRUCTURE.
JUST THE WORDING ITSELF WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH AN ON GRADE, UH, OR AT GRADE, UH, CONCRETE PATIO, THAT SORT OF THING.
THAT'S, IS IT REALLY APPROPRIATE TO CALL IT A STRUCTURE? HE JUST WASN'T THRILLED ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR DEFINITION.
YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND UPDATE THAT DEFINITION OF STRUCTURE.
THE DEFINITION OF STRUCTURE IS INCREDIBLY BROAD, SO I'M PULLING IT UP NOW, UH, FOR REFERENCE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE, I UNDERSTAND IT SEEMS SILLY TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A HORIZONTAL STRUCTURE AND A VERTICAL STRUCTURE, BUT THE DEFINITION IS ESSENTIALLY ANY, UH, IMPROVEMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS AFFIXED TO THE LAND AS A CONCRETE SLAB WOULD BE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT IS HORIZONTAL.
UH, IT IS A STRUCTURE, IT IS HORIZONTAL AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT IS VERTICAL, UH, RAISED FROM THE GRADE.
AND AGAIN, I WAS PASSING IT ALONG FROM OUR RESIDENT, UH, YES.
THIS WALKING EVEN IN HIS ABSENCE.
UH, I JUST HAD A, JUST A CLARIFICATION.
SO WHEN, WHEN ARE YOU HEARING MOST OF THESE COMPLAINTS? IS IT DURING WHEN SOMEONE'S BUILDING THEIR HOME OR IS IT AFTER THEY'VE BEEN IN FOR A WHILE? UH, OR, UM, AND DO YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, IF IT'S WHEN THE, IT'S BEING BUILT, MAYBE THERE'S SOME CONCERN WITH THAT.
UM, SO THIS REQUIREMENT IS MORE SPECIFIC TOWARDS EXISTING SITES IN THE CITY.
UM, IF YOU MAY REMEMBER, WE RECENTLY DID THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, AND THAT HAD ALLOWANCES IN IT AND IT IN CONSIDERATIONS TO ALLEVIATE HAVING ANY ISSUES LIKE THIS.
UM, SO WE REALLY DON'T GET TOO MANY COMPLAINTS.
MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE HEAR, UM, REQUESTS ABOUT THIS.
IT'S IN REGARDS TO BOARD OF ZONING, APPEALS AND VARIANCES.
UM, THAT IS, THAT IS THE MAIN AREA WHERE WE TYPICALLY HEAR ABOUT THIS.
OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE DON'T HEAR TOO MUCH, BUT, UM, FOR FUTURE HOMES AND FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, THE INTENT IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN STANDARDS ARE GOING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR AND A LITTLE BIT MORE DISTINCTIVE OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY OUTDOOR AMENITY SPACE AND WHAT'S BUILDABLE AREA.
AND THEN JENNY, DID WE RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AND SEEING AS WE HAVE NO PUBLIC, HELLO? UH, I, ANYONE HERE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.
I WILL MOVE FORWARD, LOOK TO, UH, THE COMMISSION, UH, FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE CODE AMENDMENT TO CITY COUNCIL.
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YES.UH, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS
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ON FOR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.WE HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS AND THE SEPTEMBER TOUR.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO WAIT FOR EVERYBODY TO BE HERE OR I CAN INTRODUCE IT AND WE CAN DO THAT EITHER WAY.
SO IT'S ALSO BEEN A LONG NIGHT, SO I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME AS WELL.
SO WE CAN WAIT IF YOU WOULD RATHER TO THE NEXT MEETING.
AND WE'LL JUST PLEASE, IS THERE ANY, I GUESS IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, IS THERE ANYTHING RELATED TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS OR CONSENT AGENDA WE COULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CLARITY ON TO HELP THE CONVERSATION? IF NOT, WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT IT THEN.
I HAVE TO LOOK OR YOU CAN EMAIL ME AFTERWARDS TOO.
SO YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH DATA AND INFORMATION WHEN WE GO TO TALK ABOUT IT.
SO YEAH, IT WAS IN THE, THE RESEARCH, THE CONSENT AGENDA.
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COMMUNICATIONS FROM ANYONE ELSE? JUST OUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST THE 10TH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I GET.AND, UH, I MENTIONED TO A FEW OF THE OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE, UH, ELECTIONS, BUT WE WANT THE WHOLE BODY HERE FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF THE, THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR.
UH, SO IF ANYONE CAN LIGHT A FIRE UNDER YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR SPENDING ANOTHER THURSDAY EVENING WITH US AND MEETING ADJOURNED.