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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING LOCATED AT 55 55 PERIMETER DRIVE.
YOU CAN ALSO WATCH THE MEETING VIA THE C THE LIVE STREAM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CASES.
UH, YOU'RE SUBBING FOR MS. BEAL TONIGHT.
SO I WILL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU TO CALL ROLL MR. SCHIER.
AND MR. CHANA IS ABSENT THIS EVENING.
[ACCEPTANCE OF DOCUMENTS and APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
UM, AT THIS TIME WE HAVE APPROVAL OF DOCUMENTS AND THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE JUNE 8TH MEETING.SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.
UM, IF YOU WILL, AT THIS TIME, PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN REZONING AND PLATING OF PROPERTY ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
IN SUCH CASES, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
IN OTHER CASES, THE COMMISSION HAS THE DEF FINAL DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
ANYONE WHO INTENDS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE CASES MUST BE SWORN IN
[Case #22-175 & Case #23-056]
TONIGHT.THERE ARE TWO CASES ELIGIBLE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THOSE ARE THE PENZONE BASE, ONE AT 66 71 VILLAGE PARKWAY, MASTER SIGN PLAN, AND THE DONATOS AT 68 10 PERIMETER LOOP ROAD, AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO REMOVE THESE ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING? SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE TWO CASES PREVIOUSLY LISTED.
MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA.
WE'D LIKE TO THANK THOSE WHO ARE IN ATTENDANCE FROM PENZONE AND FROM DONATOS.
UH, WE REALIZE THESE ARE CASES THAT MUST COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST IN COMING BEFORE US.
IT'S NICE TO SEE DONATOS FOR THE ROOFING.
YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DONE IN THAT PARTICULAR CENTER BEFORE.
AND THEN THE PIN ZONE, MASTER SIGN PLAN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE IN PREPARING THAT APPLICATION STAFF.
IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE ON THE TWO CONSENT CA CASES COMMISSION? ANYTHING FROM YOU? ALRIGHT,
[Case #22-109]
THANK YOU.WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO CASE 22 DASH 1 0 9 PANERA BREAD AT 66 65 PERIMETER LOOP ROAD, AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS FOR AN EXISTING RESTAURANT ON AN APPROXIMATELY 1.96 ACRE SITE ZONED PLANNED COMMERCE DISTRICT PERIMETER CENTER.
THE SITE IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 615 FEET SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION PERIMETER LOOP ROAD AND AVERY NEARFIELD DRIVE.
MR. WELL, I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO YOU FOR OUR CASE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSION.
UH, THE ROUGHLY TWO ACRES SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW.
IT IS SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF AVERY MURFIELD AND PERIMETER LOOP.
IT IS WITHIN THE PERIMETER CENTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUB AREA L UM, AND LOCATED NORTH OF THE 33 INTERCHANGE, UM, PERIMETER CENTER IN AVERY SQUARE PROVIDE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL SERVICES AND AN AUTO ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
HERE WE CAN SEE A ZOOMED IN OF THE SITE.
UM, THERE IS A LANDSCAPE BM BETWEEN THE RESTAURANT AND THE HIGHWAY RAMPS, AS WELL AS SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING TO THE WEST ALONG EVERY NEARFIELD AND ALONG PERIMETER LOOP.
UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE A SMALL DRY BASIN IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.
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THE APPLICANT CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR WITH AN INFORMAL REVIEW.THE COMMISSION EXPRESSED GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH AND PARKING REDUCTION, HOWEVER, HAD CONCERNS FOR POTENTIAL CIRCULATION CHALLENGES FROM THE ABSENCE OF A BYPASS LANE AND ADDITIONAL QUEUING IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
HERE WE CAN SEE THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND ALTERATIONS TO THE PARKING AND SOME OTHER MINOR SITE NOTIFICATIONS.
SHOWN HERE AT LEFT IS THE UPDATED PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
UM, YOU CAN SEE AGAIN HERE, THE, UM, DRIVE-THROUGH IS USING THE EXISTING LANE AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, HIGHLIGHTED AN A AND WITH AN ARROW.
UM, AT RIGHT IS A PHOTO OF THE EXISTING LANE AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
UM, DRIVE THROUGH FACILITIES ARE PERMITTED WITH A APPROVED RESTAURANT USE.
UM, THEY DO REQUIRE EIGHT, UM, QUEUING STACKING AREAS PER EXCHANGE WINDOW.
THERE IS ONE EXCHANGE WINDOW AS WELL AS EIGHT CU QUEUING AREAS OR QUEUING FOR THE EXCHANGE WINDOW.
ADDITIONALLY, THEY'RE PROPOSING TWO PULL AHEAD DRIVE, UM, PULL AHEAD PARKING SPACES, WHICH WE WILL DISCUSS LATER.
UM, SOME OF THE PROPOSED PARKING MODIFICATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW DRIVE-THROUGH LANE OR MODIFIED DRIVE THROUGH LANE IS REMOVING PAVEMENT AND PARKING 11 SPACES ALONG AVERY ROAD.
UM, ADDING FOUR SPACES CLOSER TO PERIMETER LOOP, UM, AS MENTIONED HERE IN YELLOW AND C ARE THE TWO PULL AHEAD DRIVE-THROUGH SPACES, UM, FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH TO EMPTY OUT OR PULL AHEAD, UM, IF ADDITIONAL QUEUING IS NEEDED.
AND THEN SH A SHARED PARKING SPACES WITH THE SHELL GAS STATION TO THE NORTH.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING A SIDEWALK TO CONNECT THAT SHARED PARKING WITH THE SITE AND THE RESTAURANT, UH, PARKING HISTORY AND THE PROPOSED PARKING.
THE CODE REQUIRES 117 SPACES FOR THIS USE.
UM, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY REDUCED BY CITY COUNCIL TO 82 SPACES DUE TO A RE STRIPING ERROR.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 80 72 ONSITE EIGHT THROUGH A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT OFFSITE WITH SHELL.
AND THEN THE TWO SPACES, WHICH DO NOT COUNT BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THE QUEUING, UH, FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL REPLACEMENT PARKING AT THE SOUTH AND EAST OF THE SITE.
THE SMALL 3,500 SQUARE FOOT DRY BASIN IS GOING TO BE RESHAPED.
UM, A NEW STORM LINE IS PROPOSED AND REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING, UH, PAVEMENT AND CURB WHERE NEEDED.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THE LANDSCAPE WILL BE, UH, MOVED TO PROVIDE THIS, UM, ALONG, UH, AVERY MURFIELD DRIVE WHERE THE PARKING AND PAVEMENT WILL BE REMOVED SHOWN HEREIN.
B UM, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED ALSO AROUND THE REFUGE AREA.
ADDITIONAL LAND LANDSCAPING WILL BE PROVIDED, UM, AS MENTIONED TO ACCOMMODATE THE STORMWATER POND.
THREE SMALL TREES ARE THAT ARE EXISTING OR PLANNED TO BE REMOVED OR MOVED AND REPLANTED, UM, TO MAKE WAY FOR THE SHAPING OF THE EARTH AS WELL AS AN EXISTING COLUMN AND HEDGE ALONG PERIMETER WILL BE REPLACED FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A ROUGHLY 32 SQUARE FOOT DIGITAL MENU BOARD.
THE BLUE AREA ON THE LEFT IS THE ONLY DIGITAL PART OF IT, BUT WE WOULD CATEGORIZE THE ENTIRE MENU BOARD AS DIGITAL.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A ROUGHLY 14 SQUARE FOOT PREVIEW BOARD IN ADDITION TO THE MENU BOARD.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR MENU BOARDS AND NOR DIGITAL MENU BOARDS, UM, THROUGH THE SIGN CODE.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING OUR STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION, WHICH WILL BE DETAILED A LITTLE BIT LATER, UM, NEARBY AT MCDONALD'S.
AND PERIMETER CENTER HAS PROVIDED FOR A DIGITAL MENU AS WELL AS THE MCDONALD'S, OR SORRY, WENDY'S, TIM HORTONS AS WELL.
UM, THE MINOR TAX MODIFICATION, AGAIN, WILL BE DISCUSSED LATER IS TO PROVIDE AND ESTABLISHED STANDARDS FOR THIS.
UM, HOWEVER, THE 32 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS THE SI OR MENU BOARD, UH, STANDARD FOR THE CITY, WOULD LEAD THE 14 ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET FROM THE PREVIEW BOARD TO BE IN EXCESS OF THIS.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THEY REMOVE THE APPLICANT, REMOVE THE PREVIEW BOARD FROM THE PROPOSAL.
IN ADDITION TO THE MENU BOARDS, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A CLEARANCE BAR, UM, AND CANOPY OVER THE ORDER AREA TO BE PAINTED SLATE TO MATCH OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE, UH, TO LIMIT VISUAL CLUTTER AND GRAPHICS ON THE SITE.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE NUMBER ONE AND DRIVE-THROUGH BE REMOVED FROM THE CLEARANCE
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BAR.UM, THESE ARE ITEMS KIND OF REDUNDANT.
THERE'S ONLY ONE DRIVE-THROUGH, UM, AND YOU'RE ALREADY IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH ONCE YOU'VE REACHED THE CLEARANCE BAR.
ADDITIONALLY, AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO MODIFY AN EXISTING OPENING FOR THE EXCHANGE WINDOW HIGHLIGHTED AND DASHED RED AT THE EAST OF THE BUILDING OR TO THE RIGHT OF THIS BUILDING.
ADDITIONALLY, THE AWNINGS AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO RAISE THESE AWNINGS TO ACCOMMODATE A CLEARANCE.
UM, HERE, SHOWN HERE KIND OF AT LEFT IS A LOOK DOWN.
THE PROPOSED DRIVE-THROUGH THE AWNINGS ARE LOW PROFILE AND DO NOT EXCEED PAST THE CURB.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, THE AWNINGS ARE USED ON THIS DEVELOPMENT AS KIND OF A DESIGN FEATURE AS WELL THROUGHOUT THE PERIMETER CENTER AS A, UM, UNIFYING DEVELOPMENT CHA OR PIECE OF DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO RAISE THEM.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE, SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE WASHED OUT.
THERE ARE SOME MECHANICALS AND EXTERIOR, UM, BUILDING PIECES THAT COULD BE IN CONFLICT WITH WITH RAISING THE AWNING.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO RESOLVE THIS AND FIND AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THE AWNINGS WHILE KEEPING THEM.
UM, AS MENTIONED, TWO MINOR TEXT MODIFICATIONS OR RATHER ONE.
UH, THE FIRST IS TO MODIFY THE SUB L GRAPHIC SUBSECTION TO ADD LANGUAGE WITH THE DIGITAL MENU BOARD.
UM, THIS WOULD PERMIT THE DIGITAL MENU BOARD AND PROVIDE STANDARDS.
THIS IS, UH, BEEN USED IN OTHER APPROVALS FOR DIGITAL MENU BOARDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND WITHIN THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UM, TEXT OR DEVELOPMENT CENTER.
UM, I WON'T READ THROUGH THESE, BUT PLEASE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THE SECOND MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION IS TO MODIFY THE PARKING SUBSECTION, UM, NUMBER 14 TO READ IF DEEMED NECESSARY.
SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO PARKING.
PARKING PROVIDED MAY BE ESTABLISHED WHEN BEFORE IT SAID ADDITIONAL PARKING IS TO BE PROVIDED.
UH, THE CRITERIA FOR THE MINOR TEXT MODIFICATIONS ARE MET, LIKEWISE MET OR MET WITH THE CONDITION OR NOT APPLICABLE FOR THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THEREFORE, PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION WITH NO CONDITIONS AND THE PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THREE CONDITIONS AND THAT, THAT THEY'RE TO RESOLVE THE AWNING PLACEMENT AS MENTIONED TO REMOVE THE DRIVE-THROUGH AND WHITE CIRCLE TEXT FROM THE CLEARANCE BAR AND TO REMOVE THE PREVIEW BOARD FROM THE PROPOSAL TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRIOR APPROVALS.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UM, IN ATTENDANCE AND I'M ALSO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU MR. WE, UH, WE'LL HANDLE QUESTIONS SEPARATELY FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.
I'D LIKE TO TURN TIME OVER TO THE COMMISSION TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
HI, UM, I WANNA DRILL DOWN ON THE DIGITAL MENU SIDE CUZ I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED.
UM, SO THE, THE CODE DOESN'T DEAL WITH DIGITAL MENU SIGNS.
THE, THE, THE CODE SECTION THAT YOU CITED, 1 53, 1 61 AND ACTUALLY HAS TO DO WITH ABANDONED SIGNS.
THE, THE ONLY RELEVANT CODE THAT I FOUND WAS 1 53, 1 59 H, WHICH DEALS WITH DRIVE-THROUGH MENU BOARD SIGNS, AND OF COURSE IT, IT JUST SAYS FREESTANDING POLE PILE ON MONUMENT SIGNS PERMITTED ONLY WHEN ALL THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE FULFILLED, WHICH THEY ARE SIGNS LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
DOES NOT SEE 32 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
SO YOU AGREE, I MEAN THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE PER SE THAT DEALS WITH THE DIGITAL MENU SIGN.
SO HOW DO YOU, WHAT LEAP DO YOU MAKE TO PROVIDE THESE CONDITIONS FOR THE SIGN? AND I DO APOLOGIZE THAT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR THAT SHOULD HAVE READ FROM THE SECTION THAT YOU DID JUST QUOTE WITH THE THREE CRITERIA THAT THE ONSITE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND UM, NOW THAT I'M BLANKING ON THE THIRD PIECE THAT YOU SAID.
UM, SO GENERALLY WHEN THE CODE IS SILENT ON AN ISSUE THAT IT DEFAULTS TO THERE NOT BEING REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE REQUIREMENTS FOR IT OR THAT IT'S NOT, UM, PERMITTED.
SO WHERE DID THESE SPECIFIC, AND SORRY IF I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME ON THAT.
THE, UM, MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION FOR THE SIGN GRAPHICS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS DIGITAL MENU BOARD.
THESE HAVE BEEN USED IN PRIOR APPROVALS FOR DIGITAL MENU BOARDS.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE AT MCDONALD'S, UH, AT THE WENDY'S, TIM HORTONS AT AVERY SQUARE WHEN THEY HAD A DIGITAL MENU BOARD, UM, PROPOSED.
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SO IF I COULD CLARIFY, THIS PARCEL IS SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT FOR THE OVERALL AREA, BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT CURRENTLY ABOUT THE DIGITAL SIGNS, IS THAT CORRECT? COR CORRECT.THERE'S THE DIGITAL, SORRY, THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT WAS ADOPTED SAYS WHAT IS ALLOWED AND THE SIGNS ARE NOT IN THERE.
SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO ADOPT A WAY TO PERMIT THE DIGITAL MENU SIGNS USING CODE THAT WE'VE ADOPTED AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT TEXTS AND OTHER, WELL, WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TRYING OUT IS WHETHER WE'RE MAKING THIS UP OUTTA WHOLE CLOTH OR WHETHER THIS EXACT LANGUAGE COMES FROM PRIOR APPROVALS.
IN THAT LAST STATEMENT, IT'S COME FROM PRIOR APPROVALS AND CRITERIA AND THAT THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT TEXT DOESN'T CREATE STANDARDS FOR THE MENU BOARD OR GUIDANCE OTHER THAN TO LIMIT KIND OF GRAPHIC CLUTTER.
SO THIS IS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THAT STANDARD NOW THAT THE DRIVE-THROUGH MENU IS.
SO IF WE WANTED TO, IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE THESE CONDITIONS GOING FORWARD, WE WOULD, HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? YOU COULD, YEAH.
SO THEY WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO THEN MODIFY THE TEXT FOR THIS SUB AREA TO CHANGE THEM.
BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THIS SUB AREA.
WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO EITHER RETROACTIVELY GO BACK AND PULL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT TEXTS FOR THE OTHER AREAS TO ADOPT THEM TO WHATEVER WE WERE AMENABLE WITH.
AND, AND WE CAN SEPARATE THAT FROM THIS CASE.
IF, IF THE PRECEDENT WE'VE ALREADY USED THESE SAME STANDARDS IN THE PAST, THEN I GUESS WE HAVE TO USE THEM.
NOW THE STA THIS, I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A SYNONYM FOR RIDICULOUS, BUT THESE MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE TO A, A MODERN DIGITAL SIGN.
YOU CAN ONLY CHANGE AT CERTAIN TIMES.
AND I MEAN IT'S JUST, SO I'LL, I'LL RESERVE THAT AND FIND ANOTHER VENUE TO SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THESE MAKE MORE SENSE IN A TECHNOLOGICAL.
THE THE SIGN CHANGES NO MORE THAN THREE TIMES PER DAY.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I MEAN I, MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T GET WHY A DIGITAL SIGN IS NOT VISIBLE.
I MEAN, A PART OF THE INTENT I THINK TOO IS WE HAVE LANGUAGE IN THE CODE AND I CAN LOOK FOR IT MORE SPECIFICALLY THAT TALKS ABOUT CHANGEABLE COPY.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT RETAINING SOME CONSISTENCY OF THE, OF THE INFORMATION ON THE BOARD THAT THAT'S NOT CONSTANTLY CHANGING OR MOVING OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT IT'S BEGINNING AT.
BUT WHEN, WHEN I LOOK DID THAT, THOSE WERE IN FOR, FOR ELECTRONIC BILLBOARD, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WERE SEEN IN THE PUBLIC.
THIS IS ONLY SEEN BY THE CUSTOMER.
BUT WE CAN TAKE THIS UP, YOU KNOW, CUZ IT'S, I MEAN THIS SEEMS LIKE MAYBE WE COULD TALK ABOUT THIS AS PART OF A LARGER CODE AMENDMENT YEP.
TO MENU BOARD SIGNS IN GENERAL.
I ALSO THINK THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE, THE NICE ITEMS TO BE SUBJECT TO THE DISCUSSION OF MULTIPLE BOARDS AND COMMISSION TO GET THE CITY COUNCIL'S INPUT ON THAT.
BECAUSE THAT'S NOT JUST WITHIN OUR PURVIEW.
THE ONLY WHILE I'M DRILLING DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE OF SIGNS, THERE ARE, I MEAN I DID A FIELD TRIP.
I MEAN, STARBUCKS HAS A PREVIEW SIGN AT PERIMETER.
SO WHAT'S, SO WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE A PREVIEW SIGN? SO THIS IS POINTING BACK BASED ON SIZE.
SO POINTING BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, IT DOES SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT LIMITING GRAPHICS AND PIECES OF CLUTTER, VISUAL CLUTTER IN THIS DEVELOPMENT TEXT.
SO IT'S POINTING THAT TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL, UM, VISUAL CLUTTER.
ADDITIONALLY USING THAT 32 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH HAS BEEN USED PRIOR, UM, AS THAT STANDARD FOR SETTING THAT MAXIMAL AMOUNT OF GRAPHIC SPACE.
USING THAT, UM, OF COURSE HAPPY TO HEAR THE CO UH, COMMISSION, SO THE ONE SIGN IS 30, YOU'RE BASING IT ON THAT THE ONE SIGN IS 32 SQUARE FEET AND SO THE PREVIEW SIGN WOULD BE ADDITIONAL AND WOULD REQUIRE CORRECT.
AND THAT WITH THE PROPOSED MINOR TEXT MODIFICATIONS THAT IT WOULD PERMIT ONE SIGN.
SO WE DON'T HAVE, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD SAY 32 PER SIGN, BUT NO LIMIT ON THE SIGN.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? FOUR STAFF MS. HARDER? UH, YES, I JUST HAD A COUPLE.
ONE, DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE TRASH AND THE, UH, RECEPTACLE AREA WITH THE UM, UH, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND UH, LIKE WHERE IT'S LOCATED THAT YOU'RE PASSING BY IN AND IF THERE WAS ANY, UM, PROBLEMS ABOUT, UM, WHEN IT'S PICKED UP AND, UM, I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT UP TO TALK ABOUT ANY OPERATIONS TO DEAL WITH THE REFUGE.
UM, IT IS AN EXISTING, UM, ENCLOSED BRICK ENCLOSED, UH, STRUCTURE, UM, WITH EXISTING CIRCULATION AROUND IT AND PLACEMENT ON THE WEST SIDE
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OF THE BUILDING ON THE, A MURFIELD SIDE.SO THE CITY WAS FINE WITH THE PLACEMENT OF IT WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN, UM, WITH THE AWNING, WHEN YOU'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE AWNING, CAN, UH, I SEE HOW YOU'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT LET'S RAISE THEM UP, BUT THEY MAY NEED TO BE A LITTLE FURTHER OUT.
THEY'RE MORE DECORATIVE RIGHT NOW AND UM, AND, AND I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE COVERAGE FOR RAIN AND SO FORTH.
UM, I, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THERE TOO.
THE APPLICANT AT ONE POINT HAD PROPOSED TO KEEP OR MODIFY FOR THE EXISTING, UH, AWNINGS AND THEN ADD A NEW CANOPY ONE OVER THE EXCHANGE WINDOW.
THE CURRENT ONE IS TO PRESERVE THE FIVE AWNINGS AND RAISE THEM.
BUT CERTAINLY THINKING ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF THEM, UM, I KNOW FOR THE FOUR THAT AREN'T OVER THE EXCHANGE WINDOW, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT PROVIDING THAT MUCH.
THEY'RE MORE OF AN AESTHETIC PIECE VERSUS PROVIDING RAIN PROTECTION.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT LAST ONE WOULD HAVE MORE RAIN PROTECTION POSSIBILITY AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.
NO ADDITIONAL KIND OF WIDTH TO WHAT WOULD BE ADDED.
THEY'RE JUST PROPOSING TO RAISE IT.
AND THEN, UH, CLARIFY CUZ I THINK THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY CAME, THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU COULD PARK ACROSS BY, UH, THE AT, AT THE GROCERY STORE AREA AND THEN UH, FOR EXTRA PARKING.
IS THAT TRUE? I, I UNDERSTAND OVER BY THE GAS STATION, BUT I DIDN'T, I WANTED TO, SO PART OF THE ORIGINAL AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THEY HAD STAFF PARKING SHARED WITH THE, WHAT IS THE GIANT EAGLE PIECE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER AFTER THAT APPROVAL, I THINK IT WAS DETERMINED, UM, BY STAFF THAT THAT WAS NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
SO IT'S KIND OF A THREE LANE SECTION AND NOT A LOT OF, UM, PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION BACK THERE.
UM, SO KIND OF UNKNOWN FOR A PEDESTRIAN TO BE WALKING ACROSS OR A STAFF MEMBER TO PARK ACROSS.
SO I THINK THAT, UM, CONDITION WASN'T FULFILLED CUZ IT WAS DETERMINED THAT, THAT THAT CROSSING WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A SAFE PLACE.
AND THEN I WAS ALSO THINKING ABOUT SAFETY AND WHERE, UM, WE'RE, UM, PUTTING THE HANDICAPPED, IS THAT THE BEST SPOT FOR HANDICAPPED BECAUSE ARE THEY GONNA BE BLOCKED IN AT ALL? UM, JUST BY, UH, IF, IF THERE HAPPENS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, EIGHT CARS, UH, SO, BUT THERE ARE, UM, ADA SPACES TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE ENTRY AND THEN DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH OF THE ENTRY.
SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE PLACES, UM, THE EIGHT Q QING STACKING AREAS OUTSIDE OF WHERE THESE ADA SPACES ARE, SO TO, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE QUEUING.
SO IT SHOULDN'T GO PAST THAT FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE OR DEVELOPMENT TEXT PERSPECTIVE.
AND MY LAST QUESTION, JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE SHEET HERE, IT ALMOST, IT SHOWS LIKE NINE CARS.
IS THAT JUST A MISS OR AM I JUST LOOKING AT IT INCORRECTLY? UM, SPOTS, SO I, I WAS JUST CLARIFYING THAT, BUT IT'S ON THE, UH, PAGE THREE AT JUST, YOU ARE CORRECT, IT IS NINE, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY EIGHT.
AND ANOTHER VEHICLE STACKING AREA HAS BEEN FIT IN THAT IN ADDITION TO THE TWO PULL AHEAD PARKING SPACES.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, MR. WILL, CAN YOU JUST TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER PARCELS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE RECENT PAST WHERE THEY'VE COME BACK FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH AFTER NOT GETTING THAT IN THEIR FIRST PROPOSAL, FINDING A NEED LATER, AND HOW THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE HANDLED THAT? APOLOGIES.
ARE YOU MEANING, UM, SITES WHICH HAVE CAME WITHOUT A, UH, DRIVE THROUGH AND THEN COME FOR PROPOSED? CORRECT.
UM, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WE DON'T HAVE ANY THAT HAVE COME SEPARATELY.
EVERYTHING'S BEEN PROPOSED WITH THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND THEN CAN YOU TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE RECENT, I'M THINKING THE CORNERS, UH, THE NON NON BAILOUT LANE THAT'S ON THAT PARCEL? YES.
SO SHOWN HERE ON THE SCREEN AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE CORNERS, WHICH IS THE APOLOGIES DELAYED, UM, SHOWN HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE RECENTLY COMPLETED, UH, CORNER STARBUCKS AT BLAZER AND FRANCE.
UM, THIS DRIVE-THROUGH WAS DEVELOPED WITHOUT A BYPASS LANE AS WELL.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE REFERENCE IS, IS APPRECIATED.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
IS THE APPLICANT IN ATTENDANCE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT? YEAH.
I'M THE, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER REPRESENTING, UH, THE DEVELOPER AND LANDOWNER TONIGHT.
UH, CHRIS COVERED IT VERY WELL AND
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YOU KNOW, HE, HE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS I THINK APPROPRIATELY.SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR THE TEAM HERE TONIGHT, WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO WEIGH IN STEMMING FROM AN EARLIER QUESTION.
CAN YOU JUST TALK THROUGH WHAT THE THOUGHTS ARE WITH THE TRASH LINE AND THE DELIVERY SHARING THAT ADJACENT DRIVE-THROUGH AREA? YEAH, SO WE PROVIDE IT, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UM, UH, INCLUDE A, A TURNAROUND AREA, WHICH ISN'T THERE NOW.
THERE'S PARKING THERE NOW, WHICH MIGHT COMPLICATE DELIVERIES.
BUT, UM, WITH THE CHANGES TO THE DELIVERY ZONE AND DRIVE-THROUGH AREA, WE WERE PROPOSING A TURNAROUND IN THAT AREA.
SO TRUCKS REFUSE TRUCKS WOULDN'T GO THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
THEY WOULD TURN AROUND AND EXIT THE WAY THEY CAME.
AND THEN WAS THERE ANY CONTEMPLATION OF AWNING OR BRAIN SHELTER, SNOW SHELTER AT THE DRIVE-THROUGH? THERE HAS BEEN SOME BACK AND FORTH ON THAT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL TEAM AND I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE TAKEN THE STAFF'S COMMENTS AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT.
UH, FOR STAFF, JUST AS A FOLLOW-UP ON THAT, IF THEY WERE TO COME BACK AND NEED, UH, WANT TO ADDRESS THAT RAIN COVERAGE, WEATHER COVERAGE, WOULD THAT COME THROUGH THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION OR COULD WE DELEGATE THAT AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION? YEAH, WE COULD, WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY WITHIN THE CODE TO MAKE COMM MODIFICATIONS AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
UM, I THINK I GOT THE QUESTIONS PRIOR LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION NOW FOR ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MS. HARDER, UH, JUST, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE, THE GARBAGE AREA, UM, IT SEEMS TO ME WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH A DRIVE THROUGH, I'M NOT PASSING, UM, THE GARBAGE CONTAINER AREAS.
AND, UM, I, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT, I SEE THE GATE, I SEE BRICK AROUND IT AND SO FORTH, BUT IT STILL IS WHAT IT IS.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT, UM, MOVING IT SOMEPLACE OR FINDING ANOTHER SPOT FOR IT.
UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO OVER TO MANY OF THE OTHER AREAS, YOU'RE NOT DRIVING PAST THAT.
YEAH, WE HAD CONTEMPLATED RELOCATING THAT TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE, OF THE SITE.
AND DUE TO LOGISTICS PURPOSES OF KIND OF HAULING TRASH TO THAT LOCATION, IT'S, IT'S NOT ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING, IT'S CLOSER TO THE ROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIOUS REASONS WHY WE LEFT IT WHERE IT IS NOW.
IT CURRENTLY FUNCTIONS PRETTY WELL.
UM, SO WE, WE DECIDED TO LEAVE IT WHERE IT WAS FOR, FOR FUNCTIONALITY PURPOSES, BUT WE HAD CONTEMPLATED RE-LOOKING AT IT AT ONE POINT.
I GUESS I JUST HAD, WHEN YOU SAY CLOSER TO THE ROAD, YOU THOUGHT THE, WHICH CORNER WERE YOU LOOKING AT? SOUTHWEST.
SO CLOSER TO AVERY, AVERY ROAD, AVERY NEARFIELD, I, UM, SO IT'D BE LIKE A DISTANCE FOR YOU ALL TO GET TO THE TRASH THEN? CORRECT? IT'D BE, IT'D BE A LONGER DISTANCE CROSSING THROUGH THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUING TO PUT TRASH IN, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT.
LIKE, SO AN EMPLOYEE COMING OUT, PUTTING TRASH IN WOULD TAKE THAT, WOULD, THAT WOULD BE TIME COMMITTED OR LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT? CORRECT.
AND CROSSING THROUGH THE DRIVE QUEUE LANE, WHICH WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO.
MR. PIMAN, JUST REAL QUICK, CAN YOU TURN YOUR MICRO ON? I, I ASSUME THE DEVELOPER IS AGREEING TO THE, KEEPING THE NUMBER OF AWNINGS AND ELIMINATING THE NUMBER ONE SIGN.
COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? I I DIDN'T CATCH WHAT YOU, I ASSUME YOU'RE GOING TO AGREE TO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP THE AWNINGS EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE TO MODIFY THEM AND ELIMINATING THE NUMBER ONE SIGN ON THE CORRECT.
UH, NOW MS. ROUSH AND LEGAL COUNSEL, UH, REWIND.
I'M REALLY ON A ROLL HERE TONIGHT.
CAN WE DO THAT RETROACTIVELY
AND, UH, I THINK THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE JUST, DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM THAT TESTIMONY THAT YOU, YOU GAVE HERE TODAY? YEP.
UH, HAVE GIVEN AND YET GIVE SINCE WE'RE NOT DONE YET, CORRECT? YES.
AND THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE UP AND UP HERE.
UH, ANY INDIVIDUALS LOOKING TO TESTIFY OR OR SPEAK WITH THE COMMISSION IN ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CASES HAVE TO BE SWORN IN.
SO IF ANYONE COULD, WHO IS SPEAKING TO THE COMMISSION TONIGHT, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ANSWER IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH BOTH PREVIOUSLY IN THIS MEETING AND FUTURE IN THIS MEETING TO THE COMMISSION? THANK YOU.
WHAT WAS THAT? AND TOMORROW, AND TOMORROW, I FIGURE I'LL JUST KEEP HIM TO THIS MEETING.
LOOKING FOR OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO DELIBERATION.
UH, LET'S START OFF, MR. FISHMAN, LET'S START WITH YOU THIS EVENING.
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YEAH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.I, I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THE BYPASS, ELIMINATING THE BYPASS LANE.
SO IF SOMEBODY'S STUCK IN LINE AND CHANGES THEIR MIND, HOW DO THEY GET OUT? THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T GET OUT THAT, THAT, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE.
DO WE FEEL THAT'S A SUITABLE SITUATION? I'D BE HAPPY TO LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER FROM OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT IF THEY HAVE, WE'RE WE'RE PAST QUESTIONS, SO, OH, SORRY,
ARE, IS STAFF HAPPY WITH THAT? IF SOMEBODY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE, SHOULD BE REPEATED? IT HAS BEEN DONE IN OTHER PLACES AND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH RECENT APPROVALS.
UM, AND FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, IF AN APPLICANT IS WILLING TO DO THAT, THEN WE WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
SUPPORTIVE HAVING A BYPASS WITH NO BYPASS LANE WITH NO BYPASS.
AND AT THE, IF I MAY TOO, AT THE FIRST MEETING, UM, THAT WAS DISCUSSED AS PART OF THIS AS WELL, UM, AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT HAD PROVIDED SOME TESTIMONY AT THAT TIME TALKING THROUGH THEIR OPERATIONAL DETAILS, SO THAT GAVE STAFF SOME COMFORT LEVEL WITH THAT AS WELL.
SO ANYTHING ELSE, MR. PITCHMAN? NO, THAT'S IT.
I I I JUST WONDERED WHY YOU WE WOULD, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY WITH IT AND THE CUSTOMERS WOULD BE HAPPY WITH IT.
I MEAN, IF I, IS IT THAT BIG A DEAL OR? I MEAN, THE CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE IT, SO, NO, I KNOW ON FOR THE ONE PART OF IT, BUT THERE IS THE OPERATIONAL PIECE OF THAT.
AND AT THAT PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, UM, IN OCTOBER WHEN THEY WERE HERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION ABOUT THAT.
AND THEY WERE SHARED THAT THEY WERE SATISFACTORILY DONE THIS ELSEWHERE AND THAT THE QUEUING OF THAT WOULD WORK, UM, TO NOT REQUIRE THAT GIVEN THEIR OPERATIONS IS WHAT I RECALL FROM THAT PREVIOUS MEETING.
SO IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WE NOT ONLY TALKED ABOUT THE, THE QUEUING NOT HAVING THE BAILOUT LANE, BUT ALSO THAT AREA IS WHERE THE, THE DELIVERABLES ARE RECEIVED AND IT'S WHERE THE TRASH PICKUP IS PICKED UP.
AND SO THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ENOUGH LOCATIONS AND ENOUGH POLE WITH THEIR SERVICE PROVIDERS OKAY.
THAT THEY, BUT I THINK WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE CONSIDERATION OF TYING IT DIRECTLY TO THIS USER SO THAT IT WOULD NOT TRANSFER IF SOMEONE ELSE WERE TO TAKE OVER OWNERSHIP OF THIS PERSON.
I, BUT I JUST THINK THAT MIGHT BE INCONVENIENT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU, I CAN REMEMBER WHEN I HAD KIDS AND, AND VARIOUS REASONS WE HAD TO CHANGE OUR MINDS ONCE WE WERE IN LINE AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF IF THEY FEEL IT'S FINE, I, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANNA MISQUOTE, SO PLEASE CORRECT ME IF, IF I AM REMEMBERING INCORRECTLY, BUT I BELIEVE THE AVERAGE DWELL TIME WAS SIX TO EIGHT MINUTES PER CAR UNDER SIX MINUTES THE APPLICANT STATES.
AND SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX MINUTES PER CAR AND WE HAPPEN TO HIT THE DRIVE THROUGH ALL AT THE SAME TIME AND WE HAVE EIGHT OR NINE QUEUING SPACES, THEN THAT COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN TIME.
THAT WAS, THOSE WERE SOME OF MY CONCERNS IN THE LAST MEETING.
YEAH, I I, I THINK IT'S A CONCERN.
I, I, UH, I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO THINK HARD BEFORE GETTING IN THAT LINE.
IF YOU'VE GOT THREE KIDS IN THE BACKSEAT AND SOMEBODY YELLS, I HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SO, ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON, MS. HARDER, UM, I ENJOY, UH, GOING TO PANERA BREAD.
I THINK, UM, YOU GET A LOT OF CUSTOMERS COMING IN AT DIFFERENT TIMES, BUT I WILL SAY THAT IN THE PAST, I HAVE NOT WAITED LONG IN A DRIVE THROUGH AT PANERA.
UM, IT CAN, IT USUALLY IT DOESN'T STACK UP.
I I DO VISUALIZE THAT IT IS A TIGHT AREA THAT YOU HAVE, THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH, AND I GET CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO GETS KIND OF BLOCKED IN DURING THAT SIX OR EIGHT MINUTES WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE NEXT BALLGAME AND SO FORTH.
SO THERE ARE SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, CIRCUMSTANCES THERE.
I THINK WE ALL, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE RECEPT RECEPTACLES WHERE, UH, ABOUT THE TRASH AND HOW, WHAT IT'S LIKE, UM, WHEN YOU'RE PASSING BY, UH, WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE TIME THAT IT TAKES WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND, AND UNLOAD IT AND SO FORTH AND, AND DURING THE DAY.
MAYBE IT'S NOT THE BUSIEST TIME THAT WAY, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME.
UM, AND, UM, I THINK THOSE ARE MY, YES.
UM, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY MY ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE APPLICATION, IT'S WITH OUR
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IF WE ARE FOR THE, FOR THIS PURPOSE CONSTRAINED OR CONFINED TO THESE PRECEDENT PROVISIONS FOR THE DIGITAL MENU BOARD.ONE OF THEM SAYS THE SIGN DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS OR SOUND.
AND I FIND THAT CONFUSING BECAUSE IT, IT, THERE IS A SPEAKER, SO, YOU KNOW, ON THESE, I THINK I READ THAT THERE'S A SPEAKER, SO IT JUST SORT OF, SHOULD WE, I I WONDER IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO WORD THAT.
UM, IT WAS TOO E EXTERNAL TO THE SIGN MY, IF NOBODY ELSE IS BOTHERED
AND BY ADDITIONAL OR SOUND, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A SPEAKER THERE, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? SO COULD WE DO THE INVERSE, THE SIGN CONTAINS ONE, YOU KNOW, SPEAKER MECHANISM RATHER THAN ANY OTHER? YEAH, WE CAN MODIFY THAT TO BE CLEAR.
OR THAT THE SPEAKER IS INTEGRAL WITH THE SIGN AND NOT SOMETHING THAT'S DETACHED OR FREE STANDING.
YEAH, SOUNDS LIKE THAT WOULD MITIGATE THAT CONCERN.
UM, OTHERWISE I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE.
I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSAL.
I I'M STILL TRYING TO DIGEST THESE, UH, UM, THIS LIST OF THINGS THAT ARE RESTRICTIONS AND I, I GUESS WE CAN'T MODIFY THOSE AT THIS TIME.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT OR IS, OR IS MR. STEER'S SUGGESTION ABOUT THE SPEAKER OPEN THAT UP? THE DIGITAL MENU SIGN? YES.
THE SEVEN ITEMS THERE, THOSE COULD BE MODIFIED, BE THIS, WE'RE GOING ON BASED ON WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED WITH PREVIOUS CASES AS OUR PRECEDENT FOR HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS.
SO IF THERE ARE OTHER MODIFICATIONS, WE CAN AMEND THEM, BUT ONLY FOR THIS SUB AREA, NOT FOR, WE CAN'T RETROACTIVELY GO BACK AND CHANGE OTHER PROPERTY REQUIREMENTS.
I AGAIN, SEEING WE'RE APPROVING THOSE, RIGHT.
AND MAYBE THERE'S ALREADY PRECEDENT FOR DOING THAT, BUT I'M, I'M READING THE ONE COMMENT.
IT SAYS THE SIGN IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
DOES THAT MEAN THE SIGN PERIOD? OR IS IT THE DIGITAL DISPLAY IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? I BELIEVE THE PURPOSE, THE INTENT OF THAT WAS FOR DISTRACTION PURPOSES.
I DON'T THINK THE BACKSIDE OF A SIGN IS NEARLY AS DISTRACTING AS A ROTATING IMAGE OR AT LEAST ROTATING THRE DAILY IMAGE.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S STATED.
IT SAID THE WHOLE ENTIRE SIGN NEEDS TO BE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE, AND I THINK THAT THAT ACTUALLY COULD BE VERY RESTRICTIVE CONTENT.
I THINK IT'S GONNA, I THINK IT MODIFIES IT.
SO IF WE'RE, I THINK ALL OF THIS ONLY APPLIES TO DIGITAL MENU SIGNS.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S DIGITAL FACE IS NOT FACING THE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S OKAY.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT IT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE IMPLICA THAT'S WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO IMPLY.
BUT THIS SAYS THE SIGN IS NOT VISIBLE AND THAT'S THE WHOLE SIGN.
OH, I GET, YOU'RE SAYING NO PART OF THE SIGN IS VISIBLE WHEN IT MEANS THE RIGHT, THE COPY ON THE SIGN IS, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT'S SAYS DIGITAL MENU BOARD THAT IMP APPLIES THAT IT, YEAH, BUT I DON'T THINK, DON'T THINK YOU CAN APPLY THAT.
EVERYTHING ELSE, I'M, I'M FINE WITH.
I JUST, SO WE MODIFIED THAT THEN TO SAY THE DIGITAL SIGN FACE IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN WE MODIFIED NUMBER SIX TO SAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE SPEAKERS INTEGRAL TO THE SIGN OR A SPEAKER.
SPEAKERS ARE INTEGRAL TO IT'S NOT.
WELL, AND MY QUESTION WAS, WAS IT WAS THE PURPOSE OF IT NOT TO SEE THE SIGN AT ALL? AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER.
THE ANSWER IS JUST THE DIGITAL PART.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE CLEAR, AND I THINK IN, IN THIS CASE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.
SO, BUT IF THIS IS GONNA APPLY TO OTHER CASES, RIGHT, WE SHOULD GET IT RIGHT.
SO GIVEN THE, THE PREVIOUS CONCERNS THAT THE COMMISSION BROUGHT UP, I BELIEVE THAT NUMBER SEVEN, THE SIGN CHANGES NO MORE THAN THREE TIMES PER DAY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION, AT LEAST I'M DOING KIND OF STRAW POLL HERE, NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING AT KEEPING, I WOULD PROPOSE TO ELIMINATE SEVEN AND ELIMINATE FOUR.
UH, SEE, I I, I STRUGGLE WITH FOUR BECAUSE FOUR CAN BE TURNED FOUR IS LIKE A CAN OF WORMS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S SIGN, WE CAN'T REGULATE ANY SIGN CONTENT.
AND SO IF THIS IS A MENU BOARD, IT HAS A MENU PURPOSE.
THAT'S MORE TO MY POINT, THAT WHY ARE WE TRYING TO REGULATE WHAT A SIGN SAYS THAT
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IS ONLY SEEN BY THE CUSTOMER.I THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY AND OVERREACH.
I I ALSO WANNA HEAR WHAT CITY COUNCIL FEELS.
BY THE WAY, MY NAME IS, FOR THOSE OF YOU I HAVE NOT MET, I'M YAS RAHI.
I'M, I'M PARTNERS WITH THAD BOGGS AT FROST BROWN TOT SO FILLING IN FOR HIM.
UM, JUST ON, ON NUMBER FOUR, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A A A COMMENT FOR THE RECORD, IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT, UM, THIS IS REGULATING ANY SORT OF MESSAGING OF THE SIGN.
I THINK IT'S RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO THE FLASHING SCROLLING, UH, VIDEO AND ANIMATION, WHICH IS THE, THE, THE DESTRUCTIVE PIECE.
UM, AND, AND THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY CA CAN REGULATE WITH, WITH DIGITAL SIGNS.
SO JUST ON, ON THE, ON THAT POINT SPECIFICALLY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, AND I JUST, BECAUSE WE CAN, DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD, I STILL THINK IT'S OVERREACH TO TRY TO REGULATE WHAT IS ON A SIGN THAT IS ONLY SEEN BY THE CUSTOMER WHEN THE CUSTOMER PULLS IN THERE.
BECAUSE THE OTHER PROVISIONS SAY THAT THE, THAT THE CONTENTS OF THE SIGN CAN'T BE SEEN FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE ONLY PE ONLY PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE THE SIGN ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE SIGN.
AND WE WANNA SAY, WE WE'RE TELLING THE, WE'RE SAYING, YOU HA YOU CAN'T HAVE CONTINUOUS MOVEMENT OR ANIMATION ON A MENU SIGN THAT IS ONLY SEEN BY THE CUSTOMER.
I MEAN, I, I, AM I THE ONLY ONE APPARENTLY THAT'S BOTHERED BY THAT? APPARENTLY I AM.
SO I IF THIS, IF THIS WERE NOT FACING THE PUBLIC REALM, BECAUSE YES, CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO SEE IT, BUT IT'S AN OPEN SIGN THAT'S POINTED IN A DIRECTION.
THIS ONE HAPPENS TO BE ADJACENT TO A BERM.
SO THE LIKELIHOOD THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE WALKING BY IS PRETTY LOW.
BUT THE SAME LANGUAGE GOES TO SIGNS THAT ARE PAINTED, FACING TOWARD PUBLIC REALM.
AND SO, NO, I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE OF NUMBER FOUR SAYING, WE ARE REGULATING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I SEE IT, HEY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA FLASH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA VIDEO ALL OF THESE DISTRACTION COMPONENTS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MITIGATE.
NOT THE CONTENT, BUT WHO IS IT DISTRACTED? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, SOME OF THESE SIGNS ARE FACING MORE IN THE PUBLIC REALM.
SO JUST BECAUSE A MENU BOARD IS FACING A DRIVE-THROUGH DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH LINE CANNOT SEE, BUT THE OTHER CONDITION SAYS IT CAN'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS DIFFERENT THAN PUBLIC VISIBILITY.
SO PEOPLE CAN BE WALKING BY NOT IN A RIGHT OF WAY.
PEOPLE CAN BE RIDING THEIR BIKES NOT IN RIGHT OF WAY.
I'LL JUST SAY FOR THE RECORD, IF WE'RE
BUT THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
SO THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE, THAT TYPE OF VISUAL ACTIVITY THAT AFFECTS CERTAIN POPULATION.
SO I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF SOMEBODY WAS DRIVING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT MM-HMM.
SO, AND, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT, THAT IT DOES, IT'S, IT'S TALKING ABOUT FLASHING, SCROLLING, VIDEO ANIMATION.
I, I FEEL IT'S TRYING TO GET TO THE SAFETY CONCERNS, NOT THE CONTENT CONCERNS.
I THINK NUMBER SEVEN, YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH NUMBER SEVEN, CHANGING THREE TIMES A DAY I THINK IS COMPLETELY VALID.
I WOULD SAY NUMBER FOUR HAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT INTENT.
I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE DISTINCTION, UM, RIGHT.
SO LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION IS IN AGREEMENT THAT NUMBER SEVEN BE REMOVED FROM THE, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, TEXT MODIFICATION AND THE MODIFICATION BE MADE TO DIGITAL ADDING TO THE SIGN, NOT ITEM NUMBER TWO.
IS THAT CORRECT? DID I GET ALL OF THOSE THAT WE CALLED OUT AS A COMMISSION? ANY OTHER ITEMS TO ADD? OKAY, CAN I, I SAID I WAS DONE, BUT I'M NOT, CAN I AT LEAST PROPOSE THAT WE STRIKE THE CLAUSE, THE CUSTOMER ORDER IMAGE SHALL NOT EXCEED MORE THAN 20% OF THE MENU BOARD THAT THE PICTURE, I, I THINK WHAT IT'S SAYING IS, HEY, DON'T DO CONTINUOUS MOVEMENT EXCEPT THOSE LITTLE ADVERTISEMENTS THAT ARE SHOWING YOUR MENU OPTIONS.
IT'S SAYING THAT THE CUSTOMER ORDER IMAGE, SO I ORDERED, YOU KNOW, A, A SALAD AND THEY'RE GONNA SHOW A PICTURE OF THE SALAD.
THE PICTURE OF THE SALAD THAT YOU JUST ORDERED AT PANERA CANNOT BE MORE THAN 20% OF THE BOARD.
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YES.BUT I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE.
THE SIGN DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY CONTINUOUS MOVEMENT EXCEPT FOR THE CUSTOMER ORDER IMAGE.
AND THAT CUSTOMER ORAGE STILL CAN'T BE MORE THAN 20%.
SO I MEAN, ON A, ON A 32 SQUARE FOOT SIGN THOUGH, HOW MANY SIGN APPLICATIONS DO WE GET THAT SAY, I KNOW I'M ALLOWED.
WELL, IT'S NOT REGULATING CONTENT PER SE, AS, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT A FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUE.
I JUST AGAIN, SAY THAT THIS IS WAY MORE THAN I THINK THIS DELIBERATIVE BODY SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN.
SO WOULD IT BE MEANINGFUL TO THE COMMISSION IF, FOR THIS, THE, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE MODIFICATIONS THAT I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, AND THEN WE ASKED STAFF, BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY DIDN'T JUST COME UP WITH THIS LANGUAGE BECAUSE THEY DECIDED ON A RAINY DAY THIS IS WHAT THEY WERE GONNA WRITE.
BUT RATHER A STUDY WAS DONE, OTHER DEVELOPMENT TEXTS WERE CONSULTED, MAYBE SOME ADJACENT PART ADJACENT CITIES, UM, TEXT WAS INCORPORATED AND THEN BRING BACK SOME OPTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION, NOT JUST FOR THIS, BUT FOR FUTURE SIGN CODES.
WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? OKAY.
GENERALLY THOUGH, SORRY, SORRY TO KEEP GOING AND BELABOR THIS ISSUE.
WE'RE PRESCRIBING VERY SPECIFIC THINGS HERE, RIGHT? 20% FLASHING, SCROLLING, VIDEO, ANIMATION, ET CETERA.
IS, IS THE CONCERN, IF THE CONCERN IS SAFETY, CAN WE WRITE IT IN A WAY THAT OMITS ALL THOSE AND RECOGNIZES SOME MEASURE OF SAFETY? CAN WE INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE HOMEWORK THAT STAFF'S GOING TO DO AND BRING BACK TO US OR DO A COMBINATION? ARE WE VOTING ON THIS TONIGHT FOR THIS PARTICULAR AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN? YES.
BUT THAT'S WE'RE SAYING IN GENERAL MOVING FORWARD.
ANY FINAL DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC? ALL RIGHT.
UH, BEFORE WE TAKE A NOTE, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, I DO WANNA NOTE THAT, UM, MY VOTE WILL BE BASED ON OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, UM, AND THE CONCERNS THAT WE BROUGHT UP MR. FISHMAN BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE FIRST ITEM.
LET ME GET BACK TO MY FIRST ITEM.
THAT'S THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION WITH ZERO CONDITIONS.
ZERO CONDITIONS, BUT WITH THE MODIFICATIONS AS DESIGNATED THIS, THIS EVENING.
MR. SUPAK MADISON, MR. WAY? YES.
MR. FISHMAN, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON WARREN? SO WE'RE VOTING ON THE VERY FIRST ONE, WHICH IS THE MINOR TEXT MODIFICATION, WHICH IS THE MENU BOARD SIGN IN THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
DID I GET THAT RIGHT? AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
WE HAVE SECOND, UM, SECOND MOTION THIS EVENING FOR THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS.
AND MR, WELL, COULD YOU LIST THOSE ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE? THEY'RE PULLED UP.
I'LL GIVE TIME TO REVIEW THOSE.
DO I HAVE SECOND? SECOND, MR. FISHMAN, WAS THAT YOU? SORRY.
UH, LOOKING TO THE APPLICANT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, UH, ANY CLARIFICATION THAT YOU WISH TO SEEK FROM THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING? YEAH, I JUST WANNA ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE BYPASS, THE SINGLE LANE BYPASS.
THERE IS A SETBACK ALONG THE BACK OF CURB PREVENTING US FROM EXPANDING THAT LANE TO ADD A AT A SECOND LANE.
IT'S AN ODOT HIGHWAY EASEMENT, IT'S A SETBACK, IT'S A PHYSICAL HARDSHIP, SO WE CAN'T ADD A, A SECOND
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LANE THERE.WE DISCUSSED THAT PREVIOUSLY WITH STAFF, STAFF MONTHS AGO, AND THEY WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO DO THAT HERE.
SO JUST TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SINGLE LANE BYPASS, HAVE YOU HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT AT PREVIOUS LOCATION? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
I MEAN, I THINK THEY, THEY SPOKE TO THAT IN OCTOBER, THAT THEY HAVE OTHER SITES, AND I THINK WE'VE EVEN PROVIDED EXAMPLES, UM, TO STAFF OF OTHER LOCATIONS IN OHIO WITH A SINGLE LANE, AND IT'S WORKED EFFECTIVELY, EFFICIENTLY.
AND SINCE OCTOBER, WE ADDED THOSE TWO, UH, DRIVE THROUGH, UM, LANES OR PARKING SPACES TO, TO ALLEVIATE QUEUING, TO KIND OF HELP THE FLOW AND THE PROGRESS OF, OF THAT QUEUING TOO.
SO THAT CAME FROM A, THE PANERA TEAM THAT DIDN'T COME FROM STAFF, UH, YOU KNOW, SO THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONSCIENTIOUS OF THAT TOO, AND THEY WANNA KEEP THAT MOVING ALONG TOO.
AND I DO WANNA TURN SOME TIME OVER TO LEGAL COUNSEL THIS EVENING.
IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT WE'RE EVEN IN NUMBER, AND IT'S EVEN LESS FREQUENTLY THAT WE HAVE A DIVIDED VOTE.
AND SO I WANNA TAKE A, YEAH, THE, THE, THE MOTION FAILED BY MY COUNT.
I BELIEVE THERE WERE THREE YES VOTES AND THREE NO VOTES.
UM, SO THAT IS NOT A MAJORITY.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS A, A FAILED MOTION ON THE, UM, ON THE SECOND VOTE, ON THE AMENDED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO AT, AT THIS, AT THIS POINT, THE EVIDENTIARY ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING HAS CONCLUDED.
UM, AND, AND SO WITH, WITH THAT, WITH THAT FAILED MOTION.
AND THEN CAN YOU TALK THROUGH EITHER JENNY OR LEGAL COUNSEL, CAN YOU TALK THROUGH WHAT NEXT STEPS IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, WHAT WOULD THEIR RECOURSE BE? I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE RULES, UM, TO SEE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RECONSIDERATION.
USUALLY THAT IS ON THE PRESENTATION OF ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE THAT IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
SO, UM, AGAIN, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPLICANT AFTERWARDS AND PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NEXT STEPS, IF ANY, MAYBE, AND THAT YOU'RE NOT LEAVING HERE, GOING, OKAY, WHAT DID, WHAT JUST HAPPENED? IS THERE ANY RECONSIDERATION BASED ON WHAT I JUST STATED ABOUT THE BYPASS LIE FOR RE-VOTE? OR CAN THAT NOT HAPPEN TONIGHT? SO THAT IS PART OF THE, THE, THAT WAS PREPARED IN OUR PACKET AND IT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY.
SO AGAIN, I WOULD TURN OVER TO LEGAL.
YEAH, BECAUSE BECAUSE THE HEARING IS CLOSED TODAY AND BECAUSE THE RECONSIDERATION CANNOT HAPPEN AT THE SAME MEETING.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED.
AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IT EARLIER ALREADY.
THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO AN OPTION I, I BELIEVE, AND I WILL NEED TO CONFIRM WITH THE CODE, A RESUBMISSION OF A, OF A, UH, A, A DIFFERENT, UH, APPLICATION THAT MAY ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT, UM, AS SO LONG AS IT'S, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS FILED, UM, THERE'S, I BELIEVE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO FILE A, A DIFFERENT FINAL AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION.
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET FEEDBACK NOW BASED ON THE VOTE AS TO WHAT WE CAN IMPROVE ON? SO I CAN RESTATE MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE COMMISSION'S CONCERNS WERE, AND THEN I'LL ASK THE COMMISSION FOR ANY CLARIFICATION FROM THAT.
UH, TYPICALLY SPEAKING, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A BAILOUT LANE FOR REASONS STATED DURING THE, THE MEETING.
THERE'S ALSO THE CONCERN OF QUEUING AND THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE ACCESSIBILITY LANES, THE QUEUING IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE REFUSE RECEPTACLE.
UH, AND I, I THINK I GOT EVERYTHING.
THE OTHER ONE WAS THE AWNING, BUT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED, UH, AN ADMINISTRATIVE TASK.
DID I MISS ANYTHING FROM THE COMMISSION AS FAR AS CONCERNS FOR THE VOTE THIS EVENING? NOT FOR ME.
WAS THAT ENOUGH CLARITY? YEAH, I THINK SO.
AND WE CAN, WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO, TO PROCEED.
PANERA HAS BEEN A GOOD PARTNER IN, IN THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY ENACTING THE CODE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE, WE ARE JUST IN APPLICATIONS COMING BEFORE US.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR PHYSICAL SITE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ADJACENT RELATIONSHIP TO HIGHWAY 33, HAS SOME SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE HAVE MANY APPLICATIONS THAT ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT SETBACK, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL REASONS WHY CODE CANNOT BE MET.
AND SO WE, WE DO HOLD OUR BAR PRETTY HIGH, BUT THAT ALSO MEANS THAT APPLICANTS KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN THEY COME BEFORE THE CITY.
MAY I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION, A LITTLE BIT ON THE LITTLE BIT OF BACKSTORY ON THE, THE STARBUCKS SITE THAT YOU SHOWED WITH ONLY ONE ONE DRIVE THROUGH LANE? WHY WAS THAT ACCEPTED AS A NEW, NEW PROPOSAL AS OPPOSED TO A REDEVELOPMENT WITH, DO THEY HAVE SIMILAR HARDSHIPS OR I GUESS HELP YEAH, HELP THE PANERA TEAM AND I UNDERSTAND, I GUESS, WHY THAT WAS APPROVED.
SO I WOULD DIRECT THAT QUESTION TO STAFF.
I THINK AFTER THE MEETING, UH, AT A SUBSEQUENT TIME, STAFF CAN GO OVER THAT APPLICATION, WHAT THE CONSIDERATIONS WERE IN ANY ALLEVIATION THAT WAS PROVIDED.
BUT I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT THAT ITEM.
ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE CRUISING ALONG THIS EVENING.
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UH, INFORMATION ONLY ITEM, BUT I CAN'T, AH, YES, IT IS HERE.SO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION THIS EVENING FOR LAND USE PRINCIPLES.
WE'LL TURN TIME OVER TO STAFF.
UM, I WANTED TO SHARE, AS YOU MENTIONED, OUR, UM, INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES.
AND I PROVIDED, UM, A BRIEF MEMO IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL, JUST FOR REFERENCE AND BACKGROUND, UM, TO, AND I'LL TALK THROUGH, UM, HOW, HOW WHY WE DID THIS, HOW, WHAT CAME TO BE AND HOW WE PLAN TO USE THEM, UM, AS I TALK THROUGH THIS.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'RE GOING THROUGH A COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE, UM, AND IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO STILL USE OUR PLAN, WHICH WE ARE CONTINUE TO DO, UM, THROUGHOUT THIS TIME WHILE WE'RE UPDATING THE NEW ONE, UM, CITY COUNCIL EXPRESSED AN INTEREST SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID IN 2006, WHICH WAS TO IDENTIFY, UM, AND APPROVE LAND, INTERIM LAND USE PRINCIPLES.
SO SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES TO HELP US, UM, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROJECT THAT HELP TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALIGNING WITH, UM, COUNCIL POLICY DISCUSSION WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ALONG THE WAY, UM, TO SORT OF HELP BRIDGE THAT GAP BETWEEN THE EXISTING PLAN AND WHERE WE ARE, UM, WILL END UP POTENTIALLY, UM, WITH OUR UPDATE HERE.
SO IT'S REALLY TO HELP PROVIDE THAT BRIDGE.
UM, AND THESE LAND USE PRINCIPLES, AS I MENTIONED, WE DID A VERY SIMILAR THING, UM, IN 2006 THAT REALLY HELPED STAFF TO HELP BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, HELP COUNSEL GUIDE APPLICANTS AND APPLICATIONS, UM, THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALIGNING, UM, IN THIS INTERIM TIME PERIOD.
SO, UM, THESE PRINCIPLES WERE BASED ON CONVERSATIONS, AS I MENTIONED, PREVIOUS POLICY, UM, INFORMATION PROVIDED BY COUNSEL AND OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, BUT ALSO THEN OUR INITIAL PUBLIC INPUT FROM OUR ENVISION DUBLIN INPUT SESSIONS, UM, AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, REALLY TO HELP BE THAT SORT OF CLEAR POLICY, UM, DOCUMENT.
AND AS I GO THROUGH THESE, I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT THEY'RE VERY, UM, CONGRUENT WITH HOW WE CURRENTLY RUN BUSINESS.
SO JUST TO HELP PROVIDE SOME ARTICULATION TO THOSE POINTS.
SO, UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, TO SUPPLEMENT THE EXISTING COMMUNITY PLAN.
THIS IS REALLY JUST TO HELP SORT OF BE THAT, UM, EXTRA COMPONENT ON TOP OF THAT, AS WELL AS OUR ZONING, UM, CODE REGULATIONS OR DEVELOPMENT TEXTS AND ANY OTHER ADOPTED PLANS AND POLICIES.
SO IT'S REALLY TO HELP US DO THAT.
SO, UM, WE BROUGHT THIS A DRAFT VERSION TO CITY COUNCIL.
THEY THEN MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS AND WE TOOK A RESOLUTION FORWARD TO THEM, WHICH WAS ADOPTED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
SO AGAIN, WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL.
AND I'LL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE.
SO WE HAVE A SET OF 12 OF THEM.
UM, WE INCLUDED SORT OF A, UH, ABBREVIATED, UM, STATEMENT AND THEN SOME FURTHER DETAIL UNDER EACH OF THE 12 OF THESE.
AND HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH ANY OF THESE, UM, AS WE GO FORWARD.
BUT AGAIN, THE FIRST ONE BEING THINK COMPREHENSIVELY, PLAN FOR THE BIG PICTURE.
SO WHAT YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH DOING ON A REGULAR BASIS IS REALLY LOOKING AT HOW EACH PROJECT CONTRIBUTES TO THAT LARGER VISION FOR LAND USE, FOR OPEN SPACE PARKING, CONNECTIVITY, NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO HOW DOES IT FIT INTO THE LARGER CONTEXT? SO THAT'S THE FIRST, UM, PRINCIPLE.
THEN THE SECOND IS STARTING WITH THE PUBLIC REALM.
SO AGAIN, HOW ARE PUBLIC SPACES DEFINED? HOW DOES THAT HELP US SOCIALIZE, CREATE THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENGAGEMENT AND REINFORCING THAT, UM, SORT OF LARGER OPEN SPACE PUBLIC REALM PIECE.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DEFINITELY TALKED A LOT ABOUT, UM, AS WE'VE SEEN DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS COME FORWARD, BALANCING THE MIX OF USES, UM, IS AGAIN A KEY COMPONENT TO THAT.
THE CITY, HISTORICALLY HAS HAD THIS LONGSTANDING POLICY OF OUR OVERALL LAND USE MIX BEING 60% RESIDENTIAL, 40% BEING NON-RESIDENTIAL.
SO WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, WE'RE HELPING TO MAINTAIN THAT MIX OF USES, UM, THAT SUPPORT BOTH OUR RESIDENCES AND OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, UM, THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEN THE FOURTH ONE IS PROVIDING A VARIETY OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD CHOICES.
SO HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ACCOMMODATING HOUSING AND, AND THEN THUS CREATING NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, WHICH AGAIN, OUR APPROVAL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN STANDARDS HELP TO REINFORCE THAT FROM A DESIGN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT.
UM, OUR HOUSING STUDY, OBVIOUSLY IDENTIFYING VARIETY OF HOUSING CHOICES, UM, PARTICULARLY FOR SENIORS AS WELL, BUT REALLY LOOKING AT THAT, HOW DOES THAT FIT THEN WITHIN IN THE CONTEXT OF THE VARIOUS AREAS OF THE CITY? UM, KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD'S DIFFERENT, NOT EVERY AREA OF THE CITY IS DIFFERENT, SO HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE WE'RE PROVIDING THAT RANGE? UM, THE NUMBER FIVE IS FOCUSING GROWTH.
SO WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AREAS WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR INFILL OR REINVESTMENT.
SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE OUR DUBLIN CORPORATE AREA PLAN, FOR EXAMPLE, KNOWING THAT THAT'S A REALLY KEY COMPONENT TO OUR CITY.
HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT AREAS SUCH AS THAT HAVE, ARE
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ABLE TO LEVERAGE THEIR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, AND HELP GUIDE, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE GROWTH WITHIN THAT AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACCOMMODATING WHAT WE NEED AS A CITY TO, TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF OUR, OF OUR RESIDENTS.UH, AND THEN SORT OF FOLLOWING ONTO THAT IS, UM, RESERVING STRATEGIC ECONOMIC ASSETS.
SO REALLY LOOKING AT WHERE OUR STRONG ECONOMIC BASE IS LOCATED.
SO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS REALLY LIKE OFFICE ALONG OUR TWO 70 CORRIDOR, UM, OR RAILWAYS.
HOW ARE WE BEING SENSITIVE TO, UM, WHAT USES SHOULD BE ADJACENT TO OUR, UM, INTERSTATES AND RAILWAYS, UM, FOR ALL ASPECTS.
UM, AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN IS PRO PROTECTING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES AND ECOLOGICAL SYSTEMS. UM, OBVIOUSLY SUSTAINABILITY AND OUR NATURAL RESOURCES ARE REALLY KEY COMPONENT, OUR ACCESS TO THE RIVER, HOW ARE WE PROTECTING THOSE GREEN AND BLUE CORRIDORS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S A REALLY KEY COMPONENT TO WHAT DEFINES DUBLIN.
SO HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT DEVELOPMENT HELPS SUPPORT THAT, UM, AS WELL.
AND THEN NUMBER EIGHT IS PROTECTING AND ENHANCING OUR HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES.
UM, OBVIOUSLY OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT IS SMALL BUT MIGHTY, SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CELEBRATING WHAT THAT CHARACTER IS, UM, ALLOWING FOR INFILL REDEVELOPMENT OR MODIFICATIONS, BUT REALLY TRULY PRESERVING THAT HISTORIC AND CULTURAL CHARACTER, UM, WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, AND AGAIN, TO BUILD ON WHAT I SAID ABOUT OUR SORT OF, UH, GREEN AND BLUE CORRIDORS, THAT NATURAL PRESERVATION PIECE OF THIS IS REALLY LOOKING AT INTEGRATING SUSTAINABLE DESIGN.
UM, THAT'S ONE OF COUNCIL'S, UM, STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK GOALS IS TO BE MOST SUSTAINABLE.
SO HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT WE SEE THROUGH OUR PROCESS REALLY IS LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE, UM, IMPACTING THE ENVIRONMENT IN A POSITIVE WAY.
UM, IN LINE WITH THAT THEN, IS CREATING A CONNECTED TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING FOR LINKAGES FROM A VEHICULAR STANDPOINT, BUT ALL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION.
HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT THAT FITS WITHIN THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND CHARACTER, UM, AND BEING MINDFUL OF WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT MIGHT BE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, AND THEN ENCOURAGING WALKABILITY.
SO GOING, SORT OF TYING INTO NUMBER TWO, THE PUBLIC REALM PART FROM A HUMAN-CENTRIC DESIGN, UM, HOW YOU'RE EXPERIENCING THAT, HOW YOU'RE WALKING, INTEGRATE, EN ENGAGING IN THE COMMUNITY, BIKING, MAKING SURE THAT ALL THOSE ROUTES AND DESTINATIONS ARE CONNECTED AND FEEL, UM, SCALED TO THE USER.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IS BE DISTINCTLY DUBLIN.
SO WE HAVE A VERY, UM, HIGH QUALITY COMMUNITY.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE BUILDING MATERIALS, ARCHITECTURE, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, ALL THOSE DETAIL DESIGN DETAILS HELP CREATE DUBLIN, UM, AND MAKE IT WHAT IT IS TODAY.
SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING OUR DISTINCT IDENTITY AND CREATING THAT SENSE OF PLACE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, UM, THAT THEN HELPS US BE THIS GLOBAL CITY OF CHOICE THAT COUNCIL, UM, HAS OUTLINED FOR US AS WELL.
SO THOSE ARE OUR LAND USE PRINCIPLES.
UM, AND FOR YOUR, WHICH MAY, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT IN SOME OF YOUR IN THE REPORTS.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE INTEGRATING THAT AS PART OF OUR REVIEW WHEN WE'RE MEETING WITH DEVELOPERS.
WE'RE TALKING THROUGH THESE LAND USE PRINCIPLES AS PART OF OUR REVIEW OF DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO TIE THAT BACK TO DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE YOU.
UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO HELP TIE, TIE THAT BACK AND PROVIDE THAT ANALYSIS THROUGHOUT THIS.
UM, AND AGAIN, WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO, TO USE THESE AND THINK ABOUT THESE AS YOU SEE DEVELOPMENTS COME BEFORE YOU, PARTICULARLY OUR LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTS TOO.
UM, THAT REALLY WILL HELP US MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SHAPING OUR COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT ALIGNS WITH THIS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ALIGNING WITH WHERE WE ULTIMATELY LAND WITH THE COMMUNITY PLANS.
SO, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT THIS IS, YEAH, COUNCIL, AS I MENTIONED, COUNCIL ADOPTED THIS BY RESOLUTION, SO, UM, IT'S OUT THERE FOR US TO USE, WHICH IS GREAT.
AND I GOT TO SEE A LITTLE PREVIEW OF THIS IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, AND, AND I DO LIKE THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
THIS IS JUST ARTICULATED IN A WAY THAT IT IS EASIER TO APPLY TO EVERY APPLICATION THAT COMES BEFORE US.
AND SO WE ARE EXCITED TO START USING IT AND EXCITED TO START SEEING IT IN, UM, OUR PACKETS AND IN OUR FUTURE APPLICATIONS.
SO, LOOKING TO THE COMMISSION FIRST, I'LL GO TO MR. WAY.
SO THIS IS OUR NEW, UH, CHECKLIST.
EVERY PROJECT GOES THROUGH THIS.
CHECK, CHECK, CHECK, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, I LOVE, I SAW IT, I SEE A LOT OF INPUT THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN FROM EVERYBODY IN THIS, SO I THINK IT'S VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
I HAVE ONE LITTLE COMMENT ON A WORD AND NUMBER, UM, OR IS IT NUMBER NINE,
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UM, INTEGRATE BEST PRACTICES AND INNOVATE APPROACHES TO SUSTAINABILITY AND TO SITE AND BUILDING DESIGN TO LIMIT THE ENVIRONMENTAL FOOTPRINT OF DEVELOPMENT.SHOULD THAT BE IMPACT
DO YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY INCREASE IT? SO IT SHOULD, SO JUST, I JUST, THAT CAUGHT ME.
WE'LL MAKE, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE DEFINE THAT CORRECTLY AS WE TALK THROUGH THIS, BECAUSE SINCE COUNSEL APPROVED THIS, I'M NOT SURE I CAN MAKE CHANGES TO IT, BUT, UM, YOUR POINT IS NOTED, RIGHT? THE INTENT IS TO LIMIT THE IMPACT.
AND I JUST, YEAH, YOU COULD READ THAT DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT THE INTENT CLARIFICATION, I GET THE INTENT AND IT'S GREAT.
LOOKING TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.
DO YOU WANT MIKE? YEAH, THANK YOU, MS. HARDER.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT DOCUMENT AND AGAINST, UH, ALSO, IT'S ALSO A GREAT PROCESS THAT WE'RE ALL GOING THROUGH AND EVERYBODY, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY'S LEARNING FROM THIS, WHICH HAS BEEN EXCELLENT.
I THINK FROM THE, FROM THE BIG PICTURE TO THE LITTLE PICTURE, LIKE, LIKE INTEGRATING OUR, ASKING FOR THAT, UM, HAVING OUR DEVELOPERS LOOK AT PEOPLE FIRST AND SEE THE DIRECTION WHERE PEOPLE WANNA LIVE AND HOW THEY WANNA LIVE AND START WITH THEM FIRST.
AND I THINK THAT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND IT DEFINITELY MAKES OUR COMMUNITY SUSTAINABLE.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK, MR. PIMAN.
I, I KIND OF HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS, JENNY.
UM, UH, I WAS TALKING TO SEVERAL OF THE COUNCILMEN AND, AND THEY'RE KIND OF UPSET WITH US BECAUSE WE KEEP DOING THIS CODE THING THAT, THAT ARE WE ALLOWED TO, TO, THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE SHOULD CONSIDER IN OUR DECISIONS, AND THAT IS QUALITY MATERIALS AND SO ON, BUT ALSO EXCEEDING THE CODE IN WAY IN, IN CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THERE SHOULD BE MORE GREEN SPACE, OR THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S PRESIDED OR WHATEVER.
UM, I, I THINK THAT, UM, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE WHAT DUBLIN IS.
AND, AND, AND, UH, I RIDE MY BIKE THROUGH DUBLIN ALL THE TIME, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP.
THE COUNCILMAN BROUGHT THIS UP.
I DIDN'T BRING IT UP, BUT THEY SAID, UH, THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL I TALKED TO SAID THEY WERE UPSET WITH THE FACT THAT WE, WE, WE SAY IT'S CODE.
SO THAT'S THE LETTER OF THE CODE.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA PROVE.
AND, AND, UH, WE WANT QUALITY AND WE WANT GREEN SPACE.
WE WANT OPEN AREAS, WE WANT, WE WANT WALKABLE WIDTH, EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST.
BUT, AND THE OTHER THING, UH, WE DISCUSSED WAS QUALITY MATERIALS.
AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT A COUPLE ART TECHS THAT ARE EXPERTS ON MATERIALS, BUT IS THIN BRICK, BRICK A QUALITY MATERIAL? OKAY.
UH, UM, I NOTICED I WAS, UH, IN, IN IN, UM, UH, UH, UH, BRIDGE PARK, UH, DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY.
AND, UM, ALREADY THINGS ARE CRACKING.
UM, UH, I NOTICED AROUND THE NORTH MARKET, WHICH IS IN BAD SHAPE RIGHT NOW, UM, UH, THERE'S GUM STAINS ALL OVER THE SIDEWALKS, UM, UH, UH, THAT IT, IT'S STARTING TO LOOK, UH, RUN DOWN AND TIRED.
OKAY? AND, AND SO THAT'S ENFORCEMENT.
I KNOW YOU'RE PART OF THAT TOO.
UH, BUT I THINK SOME OF THOSE MATERIALS JUST DON'T HOLD UP.
I MEAN, BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE CREVICES AND CRACKING WHERE THE, THE BUILDING'S CRACKING AWAY FROM THE, THE, THE, UH, UH, THE, THE OTHER CONCRETE.
SO, UM, UH, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND I, UH, UH, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MENTIONED TO ME, HEY, YOU GUYS, THAT'S YOUR JOB TO DO THAT.
WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY OUR JOB.
UH, WE TAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM YOU, AND WE ASSUME THAT COUNCIL, I, I, THAT'S WHY I UNDERSTAND IT.
WE'LL, IF WE'RE NOT DOING IT TOUGH ENOUGH, THEY'LL OVERRIDE US.
OKAY? THEY HAVE THAT POWER, BUT THEY, THE COUPLE I'VE TALKED TO SAID, WE, THAT'S YOUR JOB.
WE WANT YOU TO, TO, TO, TO DO THAT.
SO, UH, UH, AM I, AM I MISUNDERSTANDING OR WHAT IS IT? OKAY.
THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK THERE.
UM, SO THERE IS THE CODE, UM, WHICH AGAIN, WE FOLLOW, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT USING THE CRITERIA.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO USE OUR OTHER ADOPTED PLANS AND POLICIES SUCH AS THESE LAND USE PRINCIPLES TO, EXCUSE ME, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL AND QUALITY THAT WE WANT, EXCUSE ME, FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A PART OF IT THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING COMPREHENSIVE.
WELL, I DIDN'T WANNA CHOKE YOU UP.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE MATERIALS CONVERSATION.
SO THERE, I MEAN, CERTAIN APPLICATIONS ONLY COME TO YOU.
SO IF COUNCIL IS RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT MATERIALS, A LOT OF THAT IS COMING FROM EITHER APPLICANT PROPOSAL STAFF, UM, RECOMMENDATION, AND ULTIMATELY PLANNING COMMISSION'S APPROVAL.
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A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.SO IF THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, WHICH AGAIN, WE'VE HEARD, AND WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT HELPING US WITH OUR REVIEWS, UM, FOR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING A SORT OF A PALLET OF MATERIALS THAT EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH APPLICATIONS, UM, AS THIS MOVES FORWARD.
AND WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT DOING SORT OF A POST, AND WE HAVE A TOUR SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER, SORRY, WITH THE COMMISSION.
SO I DID WANT THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
I ACTUALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT WITH YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WOULD WANNA SEE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT ALSO HELPS US EDUCATE OURSELVES ON PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
WHAT DO WE LIKE, WHAT DO WE NOT LIKE? HOW CAN WE DO THAT BETTER AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE? SO THIS IS A VERY TIMELY CONVERSATION.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST PIGGYBACK ON ON THAT COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED FOR YEARS ABOUT WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GETTING VERSUS WHAT WE GET.
SO IF WE LOOK AT THE GUIDING DOCUMENT IN A LOT OF OUR CITY IS THE PUD DOCUMENTATION.
SO THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT SAYS WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED, WHICH IS WHERE WE GET THE, HEY, IT'S IN THE CODE VERSUS IT'S NOT IN THE CODE.
BUT WHEN WE'RE DRAFTING THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT, THAT'S WHEN THE, THE NUTS AND BOLTS NEED TO BE ALL ADDRESSED.
SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HAD THAT I KNOW WE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN PREVIOUS YEARS IS COMPARING ONE DEVELOPMENT TEXT THAT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE NEW DEVELOPMENT TEXT, BUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY BUILT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHEN WE WENT TO A SIX AND SIX, BUT MUST BE 14 SET SIDE SETBACKS, BECAUSE WHAT PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT TEXT SAID WERE SIX AND SIX, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT WAS 14, 16, 18, 20 FEED AND SEPARATION.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND SAID, OH, OKAY, WELL THAT LOOKS LIKE THE SAME THAT WE'VE SEEN IN PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT TEXT, SO THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO LOOK THE SAME.
THAT'S BEEN A, A FALSE ASSUMPTION.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE CITY COUNCIL IS COMING FROM IS SAYING, WE WANT BETTER.
AND WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE PASSING THE SAME STUFF, BUT THE AS-BUILT IS DIFFERENT.
SO WHEN WE DO THAT TOUR, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND HAVE THE AS-BUILT TEXT SO THAT WE CAN COMPARE, HEY, I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF OUR BENCHMARKS, BUT THIS IS WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IF THEY DO THE MAXIMUMS OR THE MINIMUMS, AND BEING ABLE TO ARTICULATE THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE, IT'S VERY HARD.
MAYBE THESE G THESE TWO GUYS ARE BETTER THAN I AM, BUT IT'S VERY HARD TO READ A, A 60 OR 200 PAGE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S FULLY BUILT OUT.
I, I THINK WHAT WAS RELAYED TO ME WAS THAT, THAT, THAT WE HAVE A CODE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND THOSE CODES.
WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S BESIDE IT? HOW MUCH GREEN SPACE WE REALLY WANT, UM, UH, UH, UM, THE MATERIALS WE USE.
UH, AND, AND, AND, AND EVEN THOUGH THIN BRICK BRICK IS AN ACCEPTED MATERIAL, IT AGES FASTER.
IF YOU, AS I SAID, IF YOU JUST WALK DOWN THE STREET IN, IN, IN, IN, IN BRIDGE PARK, AND YOU'LL SEE IT, IT'S AGING FASTER.
OKAY? SO, UM, I THINK, UH, WHAT I HEARD FROM THE, THESE PEOPLE I TALKED TO WAS THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE THE, WE'RE THE STOPPING GROUND.
AND, AND, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE GUTS TO SAY IT MIGHT, UH, MEET CODE, BUT IT, IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SITE, OR, UH, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH GREEN SPACE BECAUSE WE'RE ENVISIONING, UH, OPEN SPACE THERE, OR WALKABLE OR WHATEVER YOU SEE.
SO WALKABLE IS GREAT, BUT IF YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH TWO CONCRETE BUILDINGS, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ENVISIONED FOR DUBLIN, YOU SEE? SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I, UH, UH, HEARD FROM COUNCIL, AND ONE PERSON ON COUNCIL TOLD ME TO RELAY THIS
SO, SO, SO I, I, I THINK THAT THAT, I AGREE THOUGH THAT IT'S FRUSTRATING TO ME WHEN I, AS I SAID, I, I WAS REALLY SHOCKED WHEN I, WHEN I WALKED, UH, THROUGH THE NORTH MARKET, UH, A COUPLE DAYS AGO AND WALKED AROUND THERE AND SAW HOW IT'S AGING VERY QUICKLY AND, AND IT, IT, IT, UH, UM, UH, NEEDS MAINTENANCE.
YOU KNOW, I CAN ALSO TELL THIS STORY I HATE THIS IS ON RECORD, BUT I, I WAS DOWN THERE ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO WITH MY WIFE AND SOME GUY WHO LIVED IN ONE OF THE APARTMENTS WAS COMPLAINING HOW HIS DEPARTS DE UH, DETERIORATE ON THE OUTSIDE THAT THE RAILINGS ARE LOOSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT, THAT, THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYBODY'S FAULT.
I THINK IT'S THE TYPE OF MATERIAL WE USE AND, AND, AND, UH, IT AGES FASTER.
AND I'M SURE THOSE ARE ACCEPTABLE MATERIALS, BUT IS THAT WHAT WE WANT, YOU SEE? SO ANYWAY, UH, JUST JUST TO RESPOND TO SOME OF, SOME OF THAT, UM, THE CODE, FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE,
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UH, IS, IS THE GUIDE.UH, IT IS, UM, IT, IT, IT PROVIDES INFORMATION NOTICE, UH, AND AND RIGHTS TO, TO CERTAIN LANDOWNERS DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CODE SAID.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER RULES AND REGULATIONS AND OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND DEVELOPMENT TEXTS THAT ALL COME TOGETHER.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT IF, IF, IF THOSE STANDARDS ARE MET, UM, THOSE STANDARDS ARE, ARE SUPPOSED TO DICTATE WHAT WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO LOOK LIKE.
AND SO I THINK AS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION ON, UH, LAND USES AND, AND ZONING AND UPDATES AND LOOKING AT THESE ISSUES, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO MEMORIALIZE, UH, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THROUGH SPECIFIC CODE REGULATIONS BECAUSE, UH, IT IS, IT IS DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ESTABLISHED.
BUT, BUT THERE'S THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER.
CONSIDER WE SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN WE ARE, WHEN WE'RE MAKING A DECISION, YOU KNOW? SO, AND, AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ON THAT IS, IS EVERY PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, REAL ESTATE IS UNIQUE AND EVERY PROPERTY IS, IS UNIQUE AND EVERY PROPERTY IS ITS OWN CASE.
AND SO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO HAVE, UM, UH, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT REGULATIONS, DIFFERENT RULES, DIFFERENT OVERLAY DISTRICTS, DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT TEXTS.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HOPE IS THAT EACH OF THOSE UNIQUE ASPECTS IS, UH, IS, IS IN, IS IS SUCH THAT YOU CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN BRING WHAT'S BEST TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT, BUT SOMETIMES YOU ARE CONSTRAINED BY WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, WELL, HOW ABOUT COMPATIBILITY WITH, WITH THE WHAT'S ALREADY THERE OR WHAT WE PLAN TO HAVE THERE? UM, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT MEETS CODE, UM, UH, IT, IT MIGHT NOT BE COMPATIBLE TO THE VALUES THAT WE WERE, WE STAND BY WALKABILITY, UH, OPEN SPACE, ALL THOSE THINGS.
YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO TALK ABOUT THAT AT A HIGH LEVEL.
YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO THE CITY THROUGH THEIR VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR A REZONING, UH, THROUGH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THAT'S WHEN YOU ADDRESS THAT.
UM, IF THERE'S ESTABLISHED RULES, REGULATIONS, ZONING ALREADY IN PLACE, UH, IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A VERY CASE BY CASE SITUATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO NO, I THINK THAT, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT OF, AND MAYBE BE, THINK MAYBE THAT'S YOUR HOMEWORK, UM, ON THIS TOPIC, IS TO THINK THROUGH FOR WHEN WE MEET AGAIN, BECAUSE I, I DO, I DID PUT THAT ON OUR INTERNAL DISCUSSION FOR SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE COMMISSION ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD, WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT PLACES YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, WE CAN PROVIDE A LIST OF, HERE'S THINGS THAT WERE APPROVED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS OR LONGER TO LOOK AT AND AS PART OF THIS TOUR.
CUZ I THINK THAT HELPS INFORM US OF WE REALLY LIKE THIS EXAMPLE, THESE MATERIALS.
WE DO NOT LIKE THIS OR WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS OR THIS ISN'T HOLDING UP WELL.
THAT HELPS US CONTINUE TO EDUCATE OURSELVES.
AND TO YA'S POINT, IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE CODE THAT THAT MATERIAL SHOULDN'T BE PERMITTED SOMEWHERE, THEN LET'S DO THAT.
RIGHT? SO THERE'S THE OBJECTIVE PART AND THE SUBJECTIVE PART AND HOW DO WE PUT THOSE TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT'S GETTING THE DESIRED EFFECT.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST OF ALL OF YOU IS TO THINK THROUGH WHERE IN DUBLIN YOU'D WANT TO GO AND, AND PROJECTS YOU'D WANNA SEE.
AND WE CAN ALSO, LIKE I SAID, PROVIDE A LIST OF THOSE TOO.
CAUSE THAT WILL HELP US ALL UNDERSTAND MORE SPECIFICALLY AND THEN WE CAN SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS OF, THIS GOT APPROVED BECAUSE THEY DEMONSTRATED THIS.
MAYBE WE NEED MORE DOCUMENTATION OR LESS OR WE JUST SHOULD SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS PERIOD AND GO FROM THERE.
SO, AND THEN I DO THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO, YOU KNOW, WARREN BROUGHT UP THIN BRICK IN PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
THE THINGS THAT KEEP COMING BACK, YOU KNOW, THIN BRICK KIND OF HAUNTS US TO, TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL IS CHALLENGING US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE QUALITY OF DUBLIN IS THERE.
IF WE HAVE CONDITIONS, UH, AND I MEAN ACTUAL PHYSICAL CONDITIONS LIKE THE UH, THE HOTEL THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF, UM, BRIDGE AND WHAT IS THAT FRANCE THAT WE HAVE THIN BRICK ISSUES WITH.
IF WE'RE HAVING THIN BRICK ISSUES AGAIN IN BRIDGE PARK, THEN DO WE CONTEMPLATE REMOVING THAT FROM THE ACCEPTED MATERIALS LIST? BECAUSE IT HAS NOT PROVEN VALUABLE, IT HASN'T PROVEN THAT IT STANDS THE TEST OF TIME.
AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS WE'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS THAT STAND THE TEST, TEST OF TIME THAT'S IN THE APPLICANT'S BEST INTEREST FOR MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY AND IT'S IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST FOR THE AESTHETICS AND THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR MARK MAYBE TO COME AND TALK TO MARK FORD TO COME TALK TO US
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TOO.UM, CUZ WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TH THAT TOO.
YOU CAN ALSO HAVE REALLY GREAT MATERIALS THAT ARE INSTALLED POORLY, RIGHT? SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING, GETTING THE BEST OF BOTH OF THOSE, UM, AND TALK THAT THROUGH.
SO I THINK THAT MAYBE HE COMES ON THE TOUR WITH US TOO.
THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY AS WELL, ACTUALLY.
SO, SO CIRCLING BACK AROUND TO THE, THE DOCUMENT ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ON THAT? WE WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AND ANY COMMUNICATIONS ON THE NEXT ITEM? MR. SCHIER? JUST ONE, AND I KNOW WE CAN'T OBVIOUSLY REOPEN THIS, BUT UM, IN NUMBER FOUR, UM, TALKS ABOUT HOUSING CHOICES FOR ALL AGES AND WAYS OF LIFE, WHICH IS SORT OF EUPHEMISTIC.
UM, I ASSUME, AND WE CAN ALL READ INTO IT, I WAS CURIOUS WHY AFFORDABLE NEVER GOT IN THERE, BUT I'M SURE IT WAS DISCUSSED.
AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE HOUSING STUDY WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE VARIETY OF HOUSING CHOICE.
SO IT DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY, SO THE STRATEGIES IN THE TOOLBOX FOR THAT STUDY WHEN THAT WAS ADOPTED DIDN'T HAVE SPECIFIC, UM, CALL OUTS OF HOUSING TYPE.
IT WAS REALLY, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE RIGHT LOCATION, RIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH AND DIDN'T CALL OUT, WE DIDN'T CALL OUT, UM, HOUSING FOR SENIORS EITHER WITHIN THAT.
WE WERE TRYING TO BE ALL ENCOMPASSING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE, UM, LOOKING AT ALL THE FACTORS I GUESS IN TERMS OF HOUSING AND PROVIDING THAT VARIETY.
SO ANY OTHER MS HARDER, UH, JUST QUICKLY I CAN YOU, UM, TELL US IF IT, IF OUR, UH, TOUR IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? YES, IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, SO IT WOULD BE NOTICED AND AGAIN, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
IF OTHERS FROM THE PUBLIC WANNA GO WITH US, WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
SO TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS DONE THE TOUR, SEE THINGS WE DID NOT DO A LOT OF DELIBERATING AS PART OF THAT, WE WOULD THEN COME BACK AND DO THAT AS IN SORT OF A MORE PUBLIC FORUM SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN HEAR THE CONVERSATIONS, REALLY TO HEAR AND SEE THINGS.
UM, AND THEN HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP CONVERSATIONS SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE CAN TAKE TRUE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND THERE'S RECORDING OF THAT.
SO, BUT YES, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR HOW PEOPLE CAN PARTICIPATE.
BLACK, WHAT, WHAT'S NEXT RELATIVE TO ENVISION DUBLIN? WHAT, YEAH, GREAT POINT.
UM, SO AGAIN, AS, UM, MS. CALL MENTIONED, WE HAD, UM, SO THE STEERING COMMITTEE IS, IS THIS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT CITY COUNCIL APPOINTED THAT'S SORT OF HELPING TO SHEPHERD THE PLAN, UM, ALONG THE WAY HERE AND SEE MATERIAL, UM, AS IT, AS IT'S COMING FORWARD AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK.
UM, WE HAD OUR LAST MEETING AT THE END OF JUNE, WHICH WAS SHARING BACK THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, UM, REPORT.
SO IT'S REALLY THE CONSULTANT PUTTING BACK TO US, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR.
UM, SO THE COMMITTEE SAW A DRAFT OF THAT.
WE ARE RECEIVING COMMENTS FROM THEM THIS WEEK AND THEN THAT WHEN THAT'S FINALIZED, WE WILL THEN MAKE SURE THAT GETS SHARED OUT WITH THE REST OF PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AND COUNSEL AS WELL, JUST AS SO THAT WE CAN KEEP YOU UPDATED ALONG THE WAY.
AND THAT'S MY GOAL, UM, AS PART OF THIS IS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING NEXT.
SO WHAT, IN ADDITION TO THAT STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WE HAD, THERE WAS ALSO A PUBLIC MEETING, UM, ABOUT THE, WHAT PEOPLE SORT OF SAW AS THEIR VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO IT WAS A BIG MAPPING EXERCISE.
CASSIE WAS, KATHY WAS THERE, UM, BIG MAPPING EXERCISE WHERE IN SMALL GROUPS WHERE PEOPLE WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING COMMENTS AND DRAWING ON MAPS AND SORT OF CREATING THEIR VISION, UM, WHICH WAS SHARED OUT TO THE LARGER GROUP.
AND OUR CONSULTANT TEAM IS COMING BACK WITH A SUMMARY HOPEFULLY OF THOSE RESULTS TOMORROW.
UM, SO THEN WE CAN, THAT'LL BE POSTED, ALL THE INFORMATION FROM ALL THOSE MEETINGS IS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THESE SUMMARIES AS THEY'RE COMING FORWARD.
SAME WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT WOULD BE THERE, UM, AS WELL.
SO YOU CAN SORT OF FOLLOW ALONG.
AND THEN AGAIN AT KEY POINTS WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING YOU ALL UPDATED ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
SO, UM, AT THIS POINT WE'RE YEAH, FINALIZING OUR SCHEDULE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HITTING ALL THOSE MILESTONES WITH THEN, UM, ANOTHER STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING AT THE END OF AUGUST.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE'RE FINALIZING LOCATION, SO WE'RE WORKING ON THE DATE FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN HOPEFULLY MAYBE ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING.
THEN OUR INTENT IS TO START TALKING ABOUT OUR AREA PLANS AND GET THAT INITIAL INPUT AS WELL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? MOVING ON THEN
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TO COMMUNICATIONS.MS. RA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? I DON'T.
THOSE WERE THE, MY ONLY TWO ITEMS. SO, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD CITY COUNCIL, UM, PUBLISHED SOMETHING IN SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT A FIBER COMPANY BEING SELECTED TO PROVIDE ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL GOALS WAS TO MAKE DUBLIN THE MOST CONNECTED CITY IN ALL CONNOTATIONS OF THE
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WORD.AND SO ONE OF THOSE WAS INTERNET CONNECTIVITY.
AND SO A PROVIDER WAS SELECTED TO PROVIDE A HUNDRED GIGABIT SPEEDS TO 10 GIGABIT, THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION, 10 GIGABIT SPEEDS TO, UH, DUBLIN.
AND SO THAT'S THREE YEAR PROCESS.
WE SELECTED THE PROVIDER AND THERE IS MORE INFORMATION ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMISSION TO KNOW, GOOD FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO KNOW.
MR. SRE, I HAD A COUPLE COMMUNICATIONS, UM, ONE WAS WHERE WE LEFT THAT, UH, SO WHERE WOULD, DID WE LEAVE THAT SORT OF DIGITAL MENU? WHAT SORT OF NEXT STEPS? HOW DO WE SORT OF, YEAH, I, YOU WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE SMART CITY AND WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT DEFINITIONS THAT ARE FROM 1978.
SO LET'S TALK TO THE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LARGER CODE OVERHAUL, WHICH WITH SPECIFICALLY TO THE MENU BOARD SIGN, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT, I THINK I HEARD A CALL OUT OF GO BACK, FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE CAME FROM AND, AND WHERE, WHAT THEY'RE GROUNDED IN ESSENTIALLY.
AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES DOING, DO SOME BENCHMARKING AND COME BACK THEN WITH SOME PROPOSED LANGUAGE ON THAT THAT WOULD AMEND, UM, THE LARGER ZONING CODE.
SO FOR THESE AREAS WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT DOESN'T HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS, WE'D BE ABLE TO DEFAULT TO THAT.
SO WE COULD DEFINITELY TAKE THAT FORWARD.
UM, TYPICALLY FOLLOWING A COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE, THERE WOULD BE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE ZONING CODE BE LOOKED AT OR SPECIFIC SECTIONS OR THINGS AMENDED.
SO MY GUESS WOULD, THAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT, NEXT BIG PROJECT AFTER THE COMMUNITY PLAN, LOOKING AT, UM, AGAIN, USES MAKING SURE THOSE ALIGN WITH OUR ZONING DISTRICTS OR ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT NEED TO COME OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.
SO, UM, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, A LARGER CODE AMENDMENT, I MEAN, A LOT OF OUR SECTIONS OF CODE ARE FROM 1980.
UM, THERE IS A LOT OF, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE VERY PLAN DISTRICT ORIENTED BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE, UM, HAVE HANDLED CHANGING DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME.
MY SECOND COMMENT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THE, THOSE TYPE OF ITEMS COME TO US BECAUSE THEY PRESUMABLY MUST COME TO US.
SO THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE SORT OF REVISIT WHETHER THOSE TYPES OF ITEMS SHOULD COME TO US? BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES IN ON THE STAFF TO PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER FOR US TO, I DON'T WANNA SAY STATE THE OBVIOUS BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT FOR, I MEAN WE ALL, THERE'S ALMOST ALWAYS A BUCKET LIKE YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA GO ONTO CONSENT AGENDA AND WE ALL SORT OF KNOW THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
IT CAN'T HAPPEN UNTIL IT COMES HERE.
AND SO YOU DO ALL YOUR PREPARATION, WE DO OUR REVIEW AND YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE, SO BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN STAFF AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD, IS THERE A MECHANISM IS THERE'S NOT A MECHANISM, BUT CAN WE EXPLORE A MECHANISM THAT WOULD GIVE THE, THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE MY OPINION, UH, WELCOME ANYONE TO JOIN IN.
OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD GIVE THE STAFF OR WHOMEVER WOULD BE, UM, THE AR, THE A R B B Z A, ALL OF THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS,
AND IT'S, IT, ITS, IN MY OPINION, IT'S SORT OF INCONSISTENT NOW BECAUSE RIGHT NOW STAFF, UM, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, AT ARB, I MEAN THE STAFF HAS SOME SUBSTANTIAL, UM, AUTHORITY, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO CHANGES, THERE'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THE 25% RULE OR WHATEVER, I MEAN, THAT COULD, IT COULD BE A, A, A SIZABLE, YOU KNOW, FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE THAT DOESN'T GET TO THE ARB, BUT THIS IS LIKE A GENERALLY NOT A SUBSTANTIAL ISSUE AND IT HAS TO COME ALL THE WAY HERE.
SO, SO BECAUSE RIGHT NOW OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE SET UP BY CITY COUNCIL, WOULD THE COMMISSION THEN BE AMENABLE TO OUR NEXT MEETING WHERE IT IS THE B Z A, THE A R B, YOU KNOW, BOARD OF ZONING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES, INCLUDING CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE DELINEATION AND ESSENTIALLY SEGREGATION OF DUTIES AND REVISIT THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ADMINISTRATIVE IN NATURE BUT NOT DELEGATABLE TO STAFF CURRENTLY.
AND MAKE SURE THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS OUR RULE, EXCUSE ME, OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS SPECIFICALLY CONCERNING THE CASES THAT WE NEED TO SEE IN THOSE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO SEE REVISITED.
AND YOU KNOW, DO YOU ALL AGREE, DISAGREE THAT SOME OF THESE ITEMS COULD BE HANDLED BY STAFF RATHER THAN US, OR, AND WE HAD A PREVIOUS, UM, DISCUSSION ON THIS AND I, I HONESTLY FORGOT ABOUT UNTIL YOU JUST RAISED IT, OF LOOKING BACK AT PREVIOUS CONSENT ITEMS TO SEE IF THERE'S A PATTERN, AND THEN IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY THEN TO ALSO CHANGE THE CODE
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TO ALLOW FOR STAFF APPROVAL OF SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS. SO WE COULD BRING THAT TOPIC, WE COULD REVISIT THAT TOPIC AND BRING ONE OF THOSE ITEMS ACTUALLY CONVENIENTLY WAS MENU BOARD SIGNS.RIGHT NOW THEY ALL HAVE TO COME TO US, BUT SO LONG AS THEY MEET THE CRITERIA THAT WE PASSED ON THE FIRST, THE SECOND, THE THIRD, THE FOURTH, THEN THE SEVENTH IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE OKAY.
SO LET ME GO BACK AND, AND SEE WHERE WE LEFT THAT PROBABLY GIVEN OUR WORKLOAD THAT JUST SORT OF GOT PUT TO THE SIDE.
BUT THAT WOULD MAYBE HELP US IN THE LONG RUN TOO, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE ALL AGREED THAT YOU WANT US TO DO THAT, SO YEAH.
I THINK, I THINK WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES CHANGE.
I'VE BROUGHT UP THINGS AND WE'VE MADE SOME MINOR CHANGES IN THINGS THAT, THAT WERE ON CONSENT AGENDAS AND OUR CHAIRMAN WOULD SAY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENT? AND WE'D MAKE A COMMENT AND THEY'D SAY, OH YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT.
SO I I I THINK THAT SOMETIMES IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SEE THOSE, SO I DON'T MIND SEEING THEM, BELIEVE ME.
WELL, AGAIN, LET US BRING BACK AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT THIS IS AND THEN YOU ALL, I MEAN, IN THE END, IF WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE CODE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE LANGUAGE AND SAY, YES, I WANT THIS.
NO, I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT THAT LEVEL OF, OF DISCRETION AT A STAFF LEVEL.
YOU'RE GONNA DECIDE THAT, MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND COUNSEL'S GONNA DECIDE.
SO IF THEY DISAGREE THAT THEY WANT IT TO REMAIN AT PLANNING COMMISSION, EVEN IF IT IS A VERY FEELING ADMINISTRATIVE, THEN THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE TOO.
SO DO, DO WE HAVE A LIST RIGHT NOW OF THINGS THAT ARE APPROVED FOR STAFF APPROVAL OR, RIGHT.
SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YES, THE CODE HAS THAT AND OTHER, UM, AND ANOTHER BOARD I'M ON, WE REVISIT THAT EVERY YEAR AND, AND WE UPDATE IT AND OFTENTIMES WE ADD MORE THINGS BASED ON WHAT WE LEARNED
MS. HARNER, I WOULD THINK WE'D BE KIND OF CALLING 'EM CLUSTERING THINGS TOGETHER.
CAUSE I THINK YOU'RE BRINGING UP A VERY GOOD POINT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.
BUT CLUSTERING THINGS THAT JUST SEEM LIKE, OH, THOSE ALL GO TOGETHER.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BRING THOSE TOGETHER.
WE HAVE CONVERSATION, BUT STILL ARE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONVERSATION, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF CLUSTERED TOGETHER THAT, THAT WORKS VERY WELL WITH STAFF INITIATED ITEMS. IT DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL WITH APPLICANT INITIATED ITEMS. YEAH, IT'S EITHER IT IS, IT FALLS UNDER THE CRITERIA UNDER WHICH STAFF COULD APPROVE IT OR IT DOES NOT.
SO THERE'S NOT A WAY TO, SO AGAIN, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M, I'M LEANING TOWARDS IS THAT IT BECOMES A STAFF THING.
YOU SEE WHERE THINGS GET CLUSTERED AND THEN WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN ONE AND THEN IT GETS CLUSTERED THEN OVER, UH, TO STAFF FROM AFTER THAT IF THERE'S, AND I, I DO THINK THAT ANYTIME WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, REMOVING ITEMS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS HAVEN'T WORKED OUT VERY WELL THAT HAVE BEEN DELEGATED.
AND SO DO THOSE THEN DOES THE, THE P PCC THEN SUBSUME THOSE ITEMS? SO LOOKING AT IT IN RECIPROCAL NATURE ALSO.
YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT POINT CUZ I COULD SHARE BACK THE NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVE, I MEAN, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER THAT YOU DON'T SEE.
SO I MEAN I THINK THAT'S MAYBE WORTH SHARING TOO.
AND HERE'S WHAT THIS IS AND I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO SEE SOMEONE CHANGING A DOOR FOR A WINDOW OR VICE VERSA.
SO AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE REALLY MINOR NATURED THINGS, UM, THAT ARE INCLUDED.
ANY OTHER COMMUNICATIONS FOR THIS EVENING? WELL, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR SPENDING ANOTHER THURSDAY NIGHT MEETING ADJOURNED.